[Ken founded the GoreorNader group. He sent this
news from ABC -- NOTE the observations by the
Univ ersity of Virginia PhD student.]

To: GoreOrNader <GoreOrNader-Debate@egroups.com>
From: Ken Zimmerman <kenz@...>
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 15:20:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [GoreOrNader-Debate] More Florida
"irregularities"

   ABC news site describes other "irregularities".

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/ELECTION_WatchdogPart5001108.h\
tml.html
  an excerpt:  "party officials are concerned
thousands of votes  for Gore may have been
omitted from  the Democratıs vote total in
Volusia County, a largely African-American
community located on the east coast and central
part of Florida.

    According to a Volusia  County official, a
problem was found with a computer disk that
contained results from a particular precinct, but
county officials have not yet said  specifically
what the impact was.

    Poe said Democrats had  received reports of an
instance in which a preliminary voting count
this morning for Gore in Volusia County, reported
by Florida  election officials, actually
decreased by about 10,000 over time, before
climbing  again.

     ³Now that might have  been a typo, who
knows,² he told ABCNEWS.com. ³Stranger  things
have happened in Volusia County.²

    The alleged decrease  may also have been
detected by Miles Gibson, a Ph.D. candidate and
instructor at the University of Virginia, who
says he recorded 2,716,995 votes  for Gore in
Florida at 2:06 a.m. this morning and then
2,707,798 votes  for Gore at around 2:15 a.m.,
while following a national newscast.

    ³I canıt certify these  numbers, but I was
paying extremely careful attention,² Gibson
said." abcnews.com



On Wed, 8 Nov 2000, mahko wrote:  > Designed by
the Republicans? Looks like it to  me:
http://cnews.tribune.com/news/image/0,1119,sunsentinel-nation-82373,00.html






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CBS NEWS:

Fla. Vote: From Politics To Courts

        Both Sides Looking To Win Recount
        A Possible Legal Challange To Final Tally?
        CBS.com Legal Analyst Andrew Cohen Reports

(CBS) As officials in Florida recount the vote totals there, the unresolved
presidential race still is in the realm of the political, as opposed to the
legal. But that could
change, and change quickly, depending upon how that recount goes and whether
more astonishing news comes out of the Gold Coast.

There are so many possible scenarios that focusing on a few would unfairly
underemphasize the rest. But since teams of lawyers for both the Gore and
Bush camps
already are swarming down to Florida, it's worth hypothesizing a bit about
how this all may play out.

From the Gore perspective, the best-hope scenario, of course, would be to
find a way to win the recount. That's because it is virtually impossible to
win a legal challenge
to an election absent extraordinary fraud, misconduct or other
irregularities. Does the controversy in Palm Beach County - in which perhaps
hundreds or thousands of
Gore votes mistakenly were cast for Pat Buchanan because of a confusing
ballot - constitute voting irregularity? I'm not so sure. Missing ballot
boxes are another story
but judges still are typically loathe to get too involved in the nuts and
bolts of an election.

If after the recount Governor Bush still has the lead in the state, the next
thing to look for will be how big that lead is. If the recount lessens the
Governor's margin to a few
hundred votes or so, the Gore folks may decide to mount a legal challenge
after all, especially if the Democrats can point to enough specific examples
of voting
misconduct to make a difference. In other words, if the Bush lead is reduced
to 500 votes, and the Democrats can identify 750 people from Palm Beach who
are willing to
testify that they mistakenly voted for Buchanan, we are likely to have one
humdinger of a battle.

But if the recount shows that the Governor's lead over the Vice President is
extended to several thousand or so, I don't think we are likely to see a
legal challenge. The
larger the apparent margin of victory, the lesser the chance is that the Gore
team will try to - or succeed - in overturning the result in court or in the
House of
Representatives. That's not really legal analysis, of course, that's just
plain math.

If for whatever reason there is a legal challenge to the final voting tally,
it clearly will be a case where the judge will immediately drop whatever else
he or she may have on
the docket to fast-track this through the legal process so that an ultimate
decision from the courts, or from Congress, comes before mid-December, which
when the
Electoral College is scheduled to meet to implement this vote.

There are many other variables which certainly must be factored into the
equation here. How will Florida officials handle the recount? Will the Palm
Beach folks get to
change their votes? Were their missing ballot boxes from key Democratic
districts? Will the fact that the Governor of Florida is a Republican affect
things? How about the
fact that the state's Attorney General is a Democrat?

And what about those Electoral College voters themselves? Did you know that
none of them can legally be forced to vote for the winner of their particular
state? Can
you imagine the legal fuss that might occur if, say, five of those Electoral
voters decided to abstain from voting for Bush in December because Gore won
the popular
vote? That would leave the Governor short of the 270 votes needed to win
election. And Gore wouldn't have 270 electoral votes, either.

I could go on and on with a "Parade of Legal Horribles" but when it comes
right down to it, whoever wins this first recount is likely to win the state
and the nation and the
right to govern over a dramatically divided country for the next four years.

I am willing to take Gore's Direct campaigning contacts!
----- Original Message -----
From: <monicasf@...>
To: <impeach-bush@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 4:12 PM
Subject: [impeach-bush] Re: DOING SOMETHING/LET'S GET NAMES


> << Monica,
>
> Deal. I will compile what I can of democratic party heads in the 50
states,
> if y ou will work on anti-bush areas?
> Anyone willing to take Gore's direct campaigning contacts??
>
> Autumn >>
>
> Deal. Let's everyone take responsibilty for something. Labor unions?
Minority
> and other organized groups? Campaign contacts? More ideas? Please, let's
> compile lists.
>
> If there's enough support for this to feel like we have a real movement to
> speak of, I'm willing to commit a lot of time to building a heck of a
website
> to support this. But I won't do it all for nothing. Ideas, suggestions,
> volunteers welcome. Let's not sit back and see this slip from under us.
>
> Monica
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> impeach-bush-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>
>
>
>

Sally is the woman in Missouri whose list of
resources I just sent you regarding Bush's MIA
years in the National Guard.

She signed up for this list, but says she is
having trouble getting on board.

Sally is very sharp, knows politics and the
political scene, and is the mother of my favorite
list member on stopwhalekill (a grade schooler!)

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[From a friend I have in Missouri]
From: SPC <-email withheld->
   Subject: Re: [SWK] Who to call, and why
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 15:04:42 -0800
.... ..... ..... ..... .....

Susan

I've been a part of the group that has tried to
get a
national call going for Bush to release his
military
records. We have been contacting media for weeks.
The corporate press will not listen. Many of the
places on your list have a vested interest in a
Bush
presidency. Many have been blantantly against
Gore,
skewing the news.
However a few that have been responsive: Call or
blast
fax them first!

Boston Globe
The London Times
Arizona Star
Atlanta Journal ConstitutionPost
Sacramento Bee
Washington Post
Joe Conason
Paul Begalia
ALSO; call your own state reps
Bob Kerrey (his office takes calls)
Sen from Hawaii (Inouye)

all addys can be found at sites listed below


>www.democrats.com for a list of National Media;
all you have to do is copy/paste the addresses in

your
'to" field

Another good source of addresses is;

www.mrsmithmedia.com

Also for radio station addresses

Good luck.

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... COULD WELL BE DEMOCRATIC. Again, don't believe what the Bushes say about
military personnel. I hear that a lot of these are from Israel, which would
be Democratic. Also, a lot of them I was told are from MINORITY personnel
.... again, Democratic. The election shouldn't be called until every absentee
ballot is counted.

Monica

What we really need here is to know Florida election laws.  THose are
what will rule what can be done here.  Anyone know where those may be
found?  I've been unsuccessful so far, but am the first to admit my
computer skills are wanting.

Ann

Dear Autumn:

            Bring Gay, with the prospect of Bush as my new President, is very
chilling.  So chilling, in fact, that it makes me wonder what the next four
years would be like.(I used to live In Georgia, in Newt Gingrich territory,
so I know what I am talking about here, folks) and the chilling thoughts are
scary enough to have me seriously thinking of defecting to Canada.

Stephano

Fellow Democrats,

I know that there may be some of you that feel it is too late for us to
'save' Gore's election chances.

Maybe not... But even if it is - What about the next election? And the next?

Are you guys really sick of the Electoral College? Are you really tired of
all the blatant disorganization and carelessness (heaven forbid we even call
it 'fraud') in elections? Then fight it. We have a powerful tool here, with
the internet and other things as well...

Folks like Monica, Donna, Susan and I are willing to start something here
that will make something of a difference in the future, if not today.

Here are a few ideas.
It is /amazingly/ easy to access your state's (and any other state in the
union's) Democratic Party online. Just go to Yahoo!, type in a search for
'Democratic Party'. It will give you an option to chose by state. If all
else fails, go down state by state (I did) and visit the websites.

Many of the sites list that state's government officials who are democrats.
E Mail them! We elect these government officials to represent us, and to be
our voice. Mkae them live up to our expectations of them. Put them to work
for us!

In these next four years to come (no matter who wins this election) we have
a lot of work to do to make the system actually work /for/ us. Use it. Use
the system!

Who says we can't change the way our country works... Afterall, maybe it's
about time there were some changes, right? Look around us, change is
happening, with or without us... Let's make sure we at least have a decision
in it!

Autumn


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Maybe I'm grasping at straws, but our elected officials may still be our best
allies. If yours are Democrats (Congressmen, Senators, Governors) --
ESPECIALLY IN FLORIDA, but everywhere else as well -- please call them and
ask that they do all they can to prevent this fraudulent "election" to stand.
They need to hear from us. Please forward to everyone on your mailing lists
and all your Democratic friends.

Monica

<< Monica,

Deal. I will compile what I can of democratic party heads in the 50 states,
if y ou will work on anti-bush areas?
Anyone willing to take Gore's direct campaigning contacts??

Autumn >>

Deal. Let's everyone take responsibilty for something. Labor unions? Minority
and other organized groups? Campaign contacts? More ideas? Please, let's
compile lists.

If there's enough support for this to feel like we have a real movement to
speak of, I'm willing to commit a lot of time to building a heck of a website
to support this. But I won't do it all for nothing. Ideas, suggestions,
volunteers welcome. Let's not sit back and see this slip from under us.

Monica

Hey Autumn,

Would you mind sending them this way too?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Private Sender" <TymeRunner@...>
To: <impeach-bush@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: [impeach-bush] TIME TO DO SOMETHING.


>
> Susan, I am sending you a handful of resources via your private box (to
avod
> spamming our friends onlist) :)
>
> Thanks,
> Autumn
>
> >From: Susan <susanyabis@...>
> >Reply-To: impeach-bush@egroups.com
> >To: impeach-bush@egroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [impeach-bush] TIME TO DO SOMETHING.
> >Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 12:37:55 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >
> >--- Private Sender <TymeRunner@...>
> >wrote:
> > > The media/news may be a real source. Do you
> > > think you could kind of cover
> > > the media sources for us in this massive
> > > 'project'
> >
> >
> >Hi, Autumn.  Yes.  First, I would like to know
> >what we will be doing and saying.  I.e., I want
> >to know what the focus or foci will be in our
> >mailings and calls.
> >
> >By the way, we are in Washington state, on the
> >Olympic Peninsula, having moved from Seattle
> >recently.
> >
> >My daughter, who voted for the first time
> >yesterday -- she turned 18 in September, will
> >help.  She was inconsolable last night. She holds
> >out a slim hope, but we are realists -- there's
> >too much Republican control in Florida, and
> >there's too little hard-hitting investigative
> >work being done right now by the media.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Autumn
> > >
> > > >From: Susan <susanyabis@...>
> > > >Reply-To: impeach-bush@egroups.com
> > > >To: impeach-bush@egroups.com
> > > >Subject: Re: [impeach-bush] TIME TO DO
> > > SOMETHING.
> > > >Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 11:20:29 -0800 (PST)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >--- Private Sender <TymeRunner@...> In
> > > >CASE
> > > > > this whole Florida vote
> > > > > turns out to be sour, OR in case folks
> > > decide
> > > > > to sway the electoral college
> > > > > to stand FOR the popular vote - I am E
> > > Mailing
> > > > > all the Democratic Party
> > > > > heads, and Al Gore's campaign managers to
> > > > > beseech aide, advice, etc.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >I am doing the same.  I KNOW in my bones that
> > > >this is a fraud.
> > > >
> > > >It makes no sense that all of the news orgs.
> > > >declared Gore the winner in Florida.  The Bush
> > > >families (Sr. and Jr.) abruptly leave their
> > > hotel
> > > >restaurant dinner and rush back to the
> > > governor's
> > > >mansion.  Then, the news anchors, including
> > > NPR,
> > > >are flustered, confused -- they can't believe
> > > >what they are seeing -- that Florida is all of
> > > a
> > > >sudden undecided?
> > > >
> > > >I am contacting every news organization as
> > > well
> > > >to beg them to get a herd of reporters into
> > > >Florida.  I also pass on important information
> > > to
> > > >other lists.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > That, I feel is the best place to start....
> > > I
> > > > > guess it would help a lot if
> > > > > we all did this for starters. I have been
> > > > > reading and writing all morning,
> > > > > and feel as if I have gotten nothing
> > > > > accomplished, so I think I am going to
> > > > > try and /do/ something about it...
> > > > >
> > > > > What do you guys think?
> > > > >
> > > > > Autumn
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: "robert " <avocadolover@...>
> > > > > >Reply-To: impeach-bush@egroups.com
> > > > > >To: impeach-bush@egroups.com
> > > > > >Subject: [impeach-bush] What about a Class
> > > > > Action Suit On This One
> > > > > >Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 18:51:26 -0000
> > > > > >
> > > > > >What about a Class Action Suit On This One
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >http://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/11/08/election.president/
> > > > > >My comment re this story. Reports are that
> > > > > this area of , Palm Beach
> > > > > >County is heavily Jewish & heavily
> > > > > Democratic..
> > > > > >Thus Jewish Democratic voters, who most
> > > likely
> > > > > intended to vote for
> > > > > >Gore, may hold the key to this election.
> > > > > Perhaps a class action suit
> > > > > >could be started on their behalf, which
> > > could
> > > > > go directly to the US
> > > > > >Supreme Court for a quick decision .
> > > > > >"Buchanan controversy
> > > > > >In a separate controversy, Palm Beach
> > > County
> > > > > >voters complained that their punch card
> > > > > ballots
> > > > > >had the names of presidential candidates
> > > on
> > > > > two
> > > > > >pages instead of one. The voters said it
> > > led
> > > > > to
> > > > > >confusion and they may have voted for
> > > Reform
> > > > > Party candidate Patrick
> > > > > >Buchanan when they had intended to vote
> > > for
> > > > > Gore.
> > > > > >"I saw it myself with my own eyes," Rep.
> > > > > Robert Wexler, D-Florida,
> > > > > >told CNN.
> > > > > >"I talked to hundreds of people. There is
> > > no
> > > > > doubt there was mass
> > > > > >confusion in
> > > > > >Palm Beach County yesterday at the ballot
> > > box,
> > > > > which resulted in at
> > > > > >least it
> > > > > >seems about 3,000 plus votes for Pat
> > > Buchanan
> > > > > and I know that that's
> > > > > >incorrect."
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >http://www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/epaper/editions/today/news_2.html
> > > > > >Ballot's listings baffling to  Voters"
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >http://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/11/08/election.president/
> > > > > >By George Bennett, Palm Beach Post Staff
> > > > > >Writer
> > > > > >Wednesday, November 8, 2000
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Al Gore's campaign once fretted about
> > > losing
> > > > > >votes to liberal Green Party candidate
> > > Ralph
> > > > > >Nader.
> > > >
> > > >  - snip -
> > > >
> > > >=====
> > > >Best to you, Susan
> > > >....
> > > >http://www.stopwhalekill.org
> > > >Whales are indigenous to the oceans. We have
> > > choices for our homes, our
> > > >adventures, our vocations, and our sustenance.
> > > The whales do not. Leave
> > > >them be.
> > > >
> > >
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By the way, I just got this from a Sierra Club
official -- a fast tip on how to reach a lot of
media quickly:

I see you are trying to reach news media.

Visit:
http://www.angelfire.com/ca/letterstoeditor/index.html

Using Netscape Navigator, visit a link from this
page,

http://www.angelfire.com/ca/letterstoeditor/massmail.html

What this does, is open the e-mail feature of
Netscape and loads about 500
newspaper e-mail address's as blind-cc. Then you
change the "to" address to
whatever, probably your own e-mail address. It's
an easy way to get your
message out as many news outlets as possible.

This does not work with Microsoft Explorer, only
Netscape.

- Dennis

PS

Feel free to share this.
--- Susan <susanyabis@...> wrote:
>
> --- Private Sender <TymeRunner@...>
> wrote:
> > The media/news may be a real source. Do you
> > think you could kind of cover
> > the media sources for us in this massive
> > 'project'
>
>
> Hi, Autumn.  Yes.  First, I would like to know
> what we will be doing and saying.  I.e., I want
> to know what the focus or foci will be in our
> mailings and calls.

- snip -

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....
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Susan, I am sending you a handful of resources via your private box (to avod
spamming our friends onlist) :)

Thanks,
Autumn

>From: Susan <susanyabis@...>
>Reply-To: impeach-bush@egroups.com
>To: impeach-bush@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [impeach-bush] TIME TO DO SOMETHING.
>Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 12:37:55 -0800 (PST)
>
>
>--- Private Sender <TymeRunner@...>
>wrote:
> > The media/news may be a real source. Do you
> > think you could kind of cover
> > the media sources for us in this massive
> > 'project'
>
>
>Hi, Autumn.  Yes.  First, I would like to know
>what we will be doing and saying.  I.e., I want
>to know what the focus or foci will be in our
>mailings and calls.
>
>By the way, we are in Washington state, on the
>Olympic Peninsula, having moved from Seattle
>recently.
>
>My daughter, who voted for the first time
>yesterday -- she turned 18 in September, will
>help.  She was inconsolable last night. She holds
>out a slim hope, but we are realists -- there's
>too much Republican control in Florida, and
>there's too little hard-hitting investigative
>work being done right now by the media.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Autumn
> >
> > >From: Susan <susanyabis@...>
> > >Reply-To: impeach-bush@egroups.com
> > >To: impeach-bush@egroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: [impeach-bush] TIME TO DO
> > SOMETHING.
> > >Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 11:20:29 -0800 (PST)
> > >
> > >
> > >--- Private Sender <TymeRunner@...> In
> > >CASE
> > > > this whole Florida vote
> > > > turns out to be sour, OR in case folks
> > decide
> > > > to sway the electoral college
> > > > to stand FOR the popular vote - I am E
> > Mailing
> > > > all the Democratic Party
> > > > heads, and Al Gore's campaign managers to
> > > > beseech aide, advice, etc.
> > >
> > >
> > >I am doing the same.  I KNOW in my bones that
> > >this is a fraud.
> > >
> > >It makes no sense that all of the news orgs.
> > >declared Gore the winner in Florida.  The Bush
> > >families (Sr. and Jr.) abruptly leave their
> > hotel
> > >restaurant dinner and rush back to the
> > governor's
> > >mansion.  Then, the news anchors, including
> > NPR,
> > >are flustered, confused -- they can't believe
> > >what they are seeing -- that Florida is all of
> > a
> > >sudden undecided?
> > >
> > >I am contacting every news organization as
> > well
> > >to beg them to get a herd of reporters into
> > >Florida.  I also pass on important information
> > to
> > >other lists.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > That, I feel is the best place to start....
> > I
> > > > guess it would help a lot if
> > > > we all did this for starters. I have been
> > > > reading and writing all morning,
> > > > and feel as if I have gotten nothing
> > > > accomplished, so I think I am going to
> > > > try and /do/ something about it...
> > > >
> > > > What do you guys think?
> > > >
> > > > Autumn
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "robert " <avocadolover@...>
> > > > >Reply-To: impeach-bush@egroups.com
> > > > >To: impeach-bush@egroups.com
> > > > >Subject: [impeach-bush] What about a Class
> > > > Action Suit On This One
> > > > >Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 18:51:26 -0000
> > > > >
> > > > >What about a Class Action Suit On This One
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >http://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/11/08/election.president/
> > > > >My comment re this story. Reports are that
> > > > this area of , Palm Beach
> > > > >County is heavily Jewish & heavily
> > > > Democratic..
> > > > >Thus Jewish Democratic voters, who most
> > likely
> > > > intended to vote for
> > > > >Gore, may hold the key to this election.
> > > > Perhaps a class action suit
> > > > >could be started on their behalf, which
> > could
> > > > go directly to the US
> > > > >Supreme Court for a quick decision .
> > > > >"Buchanan controversy
> > > > >In a separate controversy, Palm Beach
> > County
> > > > >voters complained that their punch card
> > > > ballots
> > > > >had the names of presidential candidates
> > on
> > > > two
> > > > >pages instead of one. The voters said it
> > led
> > > > to
> > > > >confusion and they may have voted for
> > Reform
> > > > Party candidate Patrick
> > > > >Buchanan when they had intended to vote
> > for
> > > > Gore.
> > > > >"I saw it myself with my own eyes," Rep.
> > > > Robert Wexler, D-Florida,
> > > > >told CNN.
> > > > >"I talked to hundreds of people. There is
> > no
> > > > doubt there was mass
> > > > >confusion in
> > > > >Palm Beach County yesterday at the ballot
> > box,
> > > > which resulted in at
> > > > >least it
> > > > >seems about 3,000 plus votes for Pat
> > Buchanan
> > > > and I know that that's
> > > > >incorrect."
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >http://www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/epaper/editions/today/news_2.html
> > > > >Ballot's listings baffling to  Voters"
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >http://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/11/08/election.president/
> > > > >By George Bennett, Palm Beach Post Staff
> > > > >Writer
> > > > >Wednesday, November 8, 2000
> > > > >
> > > > >Al Gore's campaign once fretted about
> > losing
> > > > >votes to liberal Green Party candidate
> > Ralph
> > > > >Nader.
> > >
> > >  - snip -
> > >
> > >=====
> > >Best to you, Susan
> > >....
> > >http://www.stopwhalekill.org
> > >Whales are indigenous to the oceans. We have
> > choices for our homes, our
> > >adventures, our vocations, and our sustenance.
> > The whales do not. Leave
> > >them be.
> > >
> >
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> > All in one Place.
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> >
> >
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>....
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>adventures, our vocations, and our sustenance. The whales do not. Leave
>them be.
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--- Private Sender <TymeRunner@...>
wrote:
> The media/news may be a real source. Do you
> think you could kind of cover
> the media sources for us in this massive
> 'project'


Hi, Autumn.  Yes.  First, I would like to know
what we will be doing and saying.  I.e., I want
to know what the focus or foci will be in our
mailings and calls.

By the way, we are in Washington state, on the
Olympic Peninsula, having moved from Seattle
recently.

My daughter, who voted for the first time
yesterday -- she turned 18 in September, will
help.  She was inconsolable last night. She holds
out a slim hope, but we are realists -- there's
too much Republican control in Florida, and
there's too little hard-hitting investigative
work being done right now by the media.







> Autumn
>
> >From: Susan <susanyabis@...>
> >Reply-To: impeach-bush@egroups.com
> >To: impeach-bush@egroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [impeach-bush] TIME TO DO
> SOMETHING.
> >Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 11:20:29 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >
> >--- Private Sender <TymeRunner@...> In
> >CASE
> > > this whole Florida vote
> > > turns out to be sour, OR in case folks
> decide
> > > to sway the electoral college
> > > to stand FOR the popular vote - I am E
> Mailing
> > > all the Democratic Party
> > > heads, and Al Gore's campaign managers to
> > > beseech aide, advice, etc.
> >
> >
> >I am doing the same.  I KNOW in my bones that
> >this is a fraud.
> >
> >It makes no sense that all of the news orgs.
> >declared Gore the winner in Florida.  The Bush
> >families (Sr. and Jr.) abruptly leave their
> hotel
> >restaurant dinner and rush back to the
> governor's
> >mansion.  Then, the news anchors, including
> NPR,
> >are flustered, confused -- they can't believe
> >what they are seeing -- that Florida is all of
> a
> >sudden undecided?
> >
> >I am contacting every news organization as
> well
> >to beg them to get a herd of reporters into
> >Florida.  I also pass on important information
> to
> >other lists.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > That, I feel is the best place to start....
> I
> > > guess it would help a lot if
> > > we all did this for starters. I have been
> > > reading and writing all morning,
> > > and feel as if I have gotten nothing
> > > accomplished, so I think I am going to
> > > try and /do/ something about it...
> > >
> > > What do you guys think?
> > >
> > > Autumn
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "robert " <avocadolover@...>
> > > >Reply-To: impeach-bush@egroups.com
> > > >To: impeach-bush@egroups.com
> > > >Subject: [impeach-bush] What about a Class
> > > Action Suit On This One
> > > >Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 18:51:26 -0000
> > > >
> > > >What about a Class Action Suit On This One
> > >
> >
>
>http://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/11/08/election.president/
> > > >My comment re this story. Reports are that
> > > this area of , Palm Beach
> > > >County is heavily Jewish & heavily
> > > Democratic..
> > > >Thus Jewish Democratic voters, who most
> likely
> > > intended to vote for
> > > >Gore, may hold the key to this election.
> > > Perhaps a class action suit
> > > >could be started on their behalf, which
> could
> > > go directly to the US
> > > >Supreme Court for a quick decision .
> > > >"Buchanan controversy
> > > >In a separate controversy, Palm Beach
> County
> > > >voters complained that their punch card
> > > ballots
> > > >had the names of presidential candidates
> on
> > > two
> > > >pages instead of one. The voters said it
> led
> > > to
> > > >confusion and they may have voted for
> Reform
> > > Party candidate Patrick
> > > >Buchanan when they had intended to vote
> for
> > > Gore.
> > > >"I saw it myself with my own eyes," Rep.
> > > Robert Wexler, D-Florida,
> > > >told CNN.
> > > >"I talked to hundreds of people. There is
> no
> > > doubt there was mass
> > > >confusion in
> > > >Palm Beach County yesterday at the ballot
> box,
> > > which resulted in at
> > > >least it
> > > >seems about 3,000 plus votes for Pat
> Buchanan
> > > and I know that that's
> > > >incorrect."
> > >
> >
>
>http://www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/epaper/editions/today/news_2.html
> > > >Ballot's listings baffling to  Voters"
> > >
> >
>
>http://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/11/08/election.president/
> > > >By George Bennett, Palm Beach Post Staff
> > > >Writer
> > > >Wednesday, November 8, 2000
> > > >
> > > >Al Gore's campaign once fretted about
> losing
> > > >votes to liberal Green Party candidate
> Ralph
> > > >Nader.
> >
> >  - snip -
> >
> >=====
> >Best to you, Susan
> >....
> >http://www.stopwhalekill.org
> >Whales are indigenous to the oceans. We have
> choices for our homes, our
> >adventures, our vocations, and our sustenance.
> The whales do not. Leave
> >them be.
> >
>
>__________________________________________________
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> >Thousands of Stores.  Millions of Products.
> All in one Place.
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Use the following phone numbers to voice your anger....but do it in a
civilized tone. Give them the facts.....all of the websites with the
documents.....demand to know why they refuse to report the truth about Bush
going AWOL when it was reported in the Boston Globe and an Arizona paper, as
well as the London Sunday Times. Demand to know why they refused to ask why
Bush didn't deny using cocaine. Demand to know why they used their power to
become an extension of the Bush campaign by refusing to ask him the tough
questions while they tore Gore apart every chance that they had, including
repeating every lie spewed out by the RightWingnuts.

Here are all of the phone numbers and fax numbers that I gathered in my
update newsletter last week:

ALL of these NYT ph. #'s, to ask them why they are in the business of
MISINFORMING the Public:

(212) - 556 - 1157 = Editor, Executive
(212) - 556 - 1168 = Editor, Senior
(212) - 556 - 4247 = Editor, Political
(212) - 556 - 1533 = Political Reporter Adam Nagourney
=======
(212) 556 - 3690 = Fax

ABC Radio Network / Paul Harvey News & Comment
Ryan Varney-Producer said to fax information immediately
to 312-899-4088.
Main Phone - (312) 899-4085
Fax Number - (312) 899-4088

CBS Television Network
Laura Willoughby-Political Producer said to fax information
immediately fax to 212-975-7600.
Main Phone - (212) 975-4114
Fax Number - (212) 975-5000

CBS Television Network / 60 Minutes
Left messages.
Main Phone - (212) 975-6200
Fax Number - (212) 975-9433

Almanac [KTCA-TV]
Luke Heikkila-News Editor
Left messages.
Main Phone - (651) 229-1379
Fax Number - (651) 229-1282

ABC Television Network / The Barbara Walters Specials
Sophie Conover-News Editor fax information to 212-456-2795.
Main Phone - (212) 456-0700
Fax Number - (212) 456-0746

The Bill Rosendahl Show [Adelphia Cable]
Left messages.
Main Phone - (310) 828-2111
Fax Number - (310) 315-4449

Capitol Focus [KJUD-TV]
Left messages.
Main Phone - (907) 586-3145
Fax Number - (907) 463-3041

CBS Television Network / CBS Evening News
Bill Felling-News Editor said to fax information to 212-975-1893.
Main Phone - (212) 975-3691
Fax Number - (212) 975-1893

CBS / CBS Weekend Evening News
Jerry Cipriano-Evening News Editor fax information to 212-975-1893.
Main Phone - (212) 975-2086
Fax Number - (212) 975-7352

CNN NewsStand [CNN]
Left messages.
Main Phone - (404) 827-2722
Fax Number - (404) 827-3539

CNNdotCom
Paul-News Editor said to fax information to 404-878-0890
He said that this is going to the National news desk.
Main Phone - (404) 827-1500
Fax Number - (404) 681-3578

Crossfire [CNN/Cable News Network]
Bill Press-Host/Decision Maker fax information to 202-898-7611.
Main Phone - (202) 898-7655
Fax Number - 1-202-898-7611

Dateline: USA [Dateline Productions]
Not interested.
Main Phone - 310-821-0309
Fax Number - 1-310-396-5756

CBS Television Network / The Early Show
Guy Campanile-Producer said to fax information immediately
fax to 212-975-2115.
Main Phone - (212) 975-2824
Fax Number - 1-212-975-2115

Equal Time [MSNBC/Microsoft-NBC]
Steve Lewis-Executive Producer said to fax information to 202-783-1536.
Main Phone - (202) 661-0041
Fax Number - 1-202-783-1536

Evans, Novak, Hunt & Shields [CNN]
Jane Caplan-News Editor said to fax information to 202-515-2853.
Main Phone - (202) 898-7621
Fax Number - 1-202-515-2919

CBS Television Network / Face the Nation
Jim McGlinchey-SR News Editor direct line is 202-457-4383.
Fax information to 202-659-2586.
Main Phone - (202) 457-4481
Fax Number - 1-202-457-1533

WDRB-TV / Fox First News
Hal Stopfel-News Editor fax information to news desk at 502-568-6751.
Main Phone - (502) 584-6441
Fax Number - (502) 589-5559

Fox Broadcasting / Fox News Sunday
Rick DiBella-News Editor said to fax information He says that no one at
the station likes Bush. Fax to 202-824-6425.
Main Phone - (202) 824-6400
Fax Number - 1-202-824-6425

FNC / The Fox Report [Fox News Channel
George Alexander-News Editor said to fax information to
news desk at 212-301-8274.
Main Phone - (212) 301-3647
Fax Number - (212) 301-4229

Hannity & Colmes [FNC/Fox News Channel]
Left messages.
Main Phone - (212) 301-3289
Fax Number - (212) 301-4222

Hardball with Chris Matthews [CNBC]
Left messages.
Main Phone - (202) 824-6714
Fax Number - 1-202-467-6267

Inside Edition [King World Productions]
Joanna Jacobs-Senior News Editor said to fax information to
212-586-1217.
Main Phone - (212) 586-1213
Fax Number - (212) 586-1217

Inside Politics [CNN/Cable News Network]
Jane Caplan- Political News Editor said to fax information
to 202-515-2853.
Main Phone - (202) 515-2852
Fax Number - 1-202-515-2853

Larry King Live [CNN/Cable News Network]
Bobby Grossman-Political Editor said to fax information
to 202-898-7686.
Main Phone - (202) 898-7690
Fax Number - 1-202-898-7686

Late Watch [CNN Headline News]
Fax information to 404-827-1758.
Attn: Assignment Desk.
They will not give out names.
Main Phone - (404) 827-2611
Fax Number - (404) 827-1758

The News with Brian Williams [MSNBC]
Greg Cockrell Political News Editor direct line is 201-583-5327.
Fax information to 201-583-5511 he has said that he dislikes Bush.
Main Phone - (201) 583-5030
Fax Number - 1-201-583-5511

Daybreak Early Edition [KRON-TV]
Glen Adams-News Editor said to fax information to 415-661-8136.
Main Phone - (415) 441-4444
(415) 561-8621

The NewsHour [PBS]
Attn: News Desk Fax information to news desk at 703-998-4154.
Main Phone - (703) 998-2150
Fax Number - (703) 998-4154

ABC Television Network / Nightline
Attn: Assignment Desk fax information to 202-222-7684.
Very excited about this information.
Main Phone - (202) 222-7000
Fax Number - 1-202-222-7976

The O'Reilly Factor [FNC]
Left messages.
Main Phone - (212) 301-3041
Fax Number - 1-212-301-5147

Off The Record [WKAR-TV]
Curt Gilleo-News Editor
Left messages.
Main Phone - (517) 432-9527
Fax Number - (517) 353-7124

ABC Television Network / Politically Incorrect w/ Bill Maher
Not interested.
Main Phone - (323) 575-5000
Fax Number - (323) 575-2685

Power, Politics & You [Cablevision]
Not interested, they told me that they like Bush.
Main Phone - (631) 439-4900
Fax Number - (631) 439-4940

Road Kill Politics [WFUM-TV]
Jim Gaver-News Editor said to fax information, they do not like Bush.
Fax to 810-233-6017.
Main Phone - (810) 762-3028
Fax Number - (810) 233-6017

The Sam Steiger Show [KUSK-TV]
Not interested.
Main Phone - (520) 778-6770
Fax Number - (520) 445-5210

CBS Television Network / CBS News Saturday Morning
Attn: Assignment desk
Fax information to 212-975-6999.
Main Phone - (212) 975-8200
Fax Number - 1-212-975-6699

South Dakota Focus [KUSD-TV]
Left messages.
Main Phone - (605) 688-4191
Fax Number - (605) 677-5010

ABC Television Network / This Week
Left messages.
Main Phone - (202) 222-7100
Fax Number - 1-202-222-7074

CBS Television Network / Up to the Minute
Not interested.
Main Phone - (212) 975-2526
Fax Number - (212) 975-4483

ABC Television Network / The View
Attn: Segment Producer asked us to fax
information to 212-456-0951.
Fax ASAP, very interested.
Main Phone - (212) 456-0900
Fax Number - 1-212-456-0951

ABC Television Network / World News Now
Left messages.
Main Phone - (212) 456-4413
Fax Number - (212) 456-3464

World Report [CNN/Cable News Network]
Left messages.
Main Phone - (404) 827-1880
Fax Number - (404) 827-3294

ABC Radio Network
Hank Weinbloon-News Editor fax information to
212-456-5150. Fax ASAP.
Main Phone - (212) 735-1700
Fax Number - 1-212-456-5150

Susan,

Good start!

The media/news may be a real source. Do you think you could kind of cover
the media sources for us in this massive 'project'?

Autumn

>From: Susan <susanyabis@...>
>Reply-To: impeach-bush@egroups.com
>To: impeach-bush@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [impeach-bush] TIME TO DO SOMETHING.
>Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 11:20:29 -0800 (PST)
>
>
>--- Private Sender <TymeRunner@...> In
>CASE
> > this whole Florida vote
> > turns out to be sour, OR in case folks decide
> > to sway the electoral college
> > to stand FOR the popular vote - I am E Mailing
> > all the Democratic Party
> > heads, and Al Gore's campaign managers to
> > beseech aide, advice, etc.
>
>
>I am doing the same.  I KNOW in my bones that
>this is a fraud.
>
>It makes no sense that all of the news orgs.
>declared Gore the winner in Florida.  The Bush
>families (Sr. and Jr.) abruptly leave their hotel
>restaurant dinner and rush back to the governor's
>mansion.  Then, the news anchors, including NPR,
>are flustered, confused -- they can't believe
>what they are seeing -- that Florida is all of a
>sudden undecided?
>
>I am contacting every news organization as well
>to beg them to get a herd of reporters into
>Florida.  I also pass on important information to
>other lists.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > That, I feel is the best place to start.... I
> > guess it would help a lot if
> > we all did this for starters. I have been
> > reading and writing all morning,
> > and feel as if I have gotten nothing
> > accomplished, so I think I am going to
> > try and /do/ something about it...
> >
> > What do you guys think?
> >
> > Autumn
> >
> >
> > >From: "robert " <avocadolover@...>
> > >Reply-To: impeach-bush@egroups.com
> > >To: impeach-bush@egroups.com
> > >Subject: [impeach-bush] What about a Class
> > Action Suit On This One
> > >Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 18:51:26 -0000
> > >
> > >What about a Class Action Suit On This One
> >
> >http://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/11/08/election.president/
> > >My comment re this story. Reports are that
> > this area of , Palm Beach
> > >County is heavily Jewish & heavily
> > Democratic..
> > >Thus Jewish Democratic voters, who most likely
> > intended to vote for
> > >Gore, may hold the key to this election.
> > Perhaps a class action suit
> > >could be started on their behalf, which could
> > go directly to the US
> > >Supreme Court for a quick decision .
> > >"Buchanan controversy
> > >In a separate controversy, Palm Beach County
> > >voters complained that their punch card
> > ballots
> > >had the names of presidential candidates on
> > two
> > >pages instead of one. The voters said it led
> > to
> > >confusion and they may have voted for Reform
> > Party candidate Patrick
> > >Buchanan when they had intended to vote for
> > Gore.
> > >"I saw it myself with my own eyes," Rep.
> > Robert Wexler, D-Florida,
> > >told CNN.
> > >"I talked to hundreds of people. There is no
> > doubt there was mass
> > >confusion in
> > >Palm Beach County yesterday at the ballot box,
> > which resulted in at
> > >least it
> > >seems about 3,000 plus votes for Pat Buchanan
> > and I know that that's
> > >incorrect."
> >
> >http://www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/epaper/editions/today/news_2.html
> > >Ballot's listings baffling to  Voters"
> >
> >http://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/11/08/election.president/
> > >By George Bennett, Palm Beach Post Staff
> > >Writer
> > >Wednesday, November 8, 2000
> > >
> > >Al Gore's campaign once fretted about losing
> > >votes to liberal Green Party candidate Ralph
> > >Nader.
>
>  - snip -
>
>=====
>Best to you, Susan
>....
>http://www.stopwhalekill.org
>Whales are indigenous to the oceans. We have choices for our homes, our
>adventures, our vocations, and our sustenance. The whales do not. Leave
>them be.
>
>__________________________________________________
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Monica,

Deal. I will compile what I can of democratic party heads in the 50 states,
if y ou will work on anti-bush areas?
Anyone willing to take Gore's direct campaigning contacts??

Autumn


>From: monicasf@...
>Reply-To: impeach-bush@egroups.com
>To: impeach-bush@egroups.com, democrat@egroups.com, gore2k1@egroups.com,
>goreforpresident@egroups.com, Goresupporters@egroups.com,
>internetdemocrats1@egroups.com, liberaldems1@egroups.com,
>DemocraticVictory2000@egroups.com
>Subject: [impeach-bush] DOING SOMETHING/LET'S GET NAMES
>Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 14:21:28 EST
>
>Ok, here's a suggestion of how we can START a plan of action: Why don't we
>ALL take it upon ourselves over the next few hours and days to look all
>over
>the web or anywhere else we can think of to come up with e-mail lists and
>other important contact of all Democratic or anti-Bush groups that could
>take
>our message out to the people and create a national movement. Let's share
>them here and together built a HUGE list of contacts that we can all tap
>into
>. It may sound crazy, but there are enough of us here that if we POOL OUR
>RESOURCES AND BRAINS we can put something in motion.  Deal?
>
>Monica

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<< Like what?  What purpose would this serve if Bush wins?   I would do
anything
to over turn this, or stop this....but I do not see what I can actually do
about it.  Explain in more graphic detail

Thanks
Stephano >>

Stephano -- I don't have a magic answer or solution, and don't speak for
anyone other than myself. Like most people here I'm still in shock and a daze
about all this.  All I can tell you is what's I'D LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN.
Obviously the question is HOW to make it happen, but I don't think it's
impossible. I'd like to:

(1) See people in the streets protesting the fraud and the election of
someone against the popular vote -- massive protests that would be covered by
the media

(2) Should Smirk be declared the winner, start a national movement that would
bring hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of protesters to Washington the
day of the Inauguration. We couldn't stop it, but we would send a strong
signal that he was put in office against the wish of the American people.

There must be hundreds of Democratic groups, labor unions, political action
committees, Gore supporters, plus minority groups of every kind that are
already organized and could join the fight.

Monica

The answer is no, which is why he changed his residency so quickly and
quietly. The Federal law states that the Presidential and Vice Presidential
candidates on the same ticket can not be from the same state. I believe that
this is one of the matters being brought to court as we speak....although I
have no details as of yet.

There are also investigations regarding the possible voter fraud in Florida.
To quote poppy bush "I didn't just come in on the watermelon truck! Geez
<hitting forehead>"

Carol



In a message dated 11/8/00 2:37:11 PM Eastern Standard Time,
janeword@... writes:

<< However, I think the federal courts might rule that merely
  reregistering to vote is not a full change of address. Can
  Texas' electors vote for both Bush and Cheney? Probably not
  legally.

  Jane >>

Had Dick Cheney put his house on the market, paid the
difference in taxes between the homestead rate and the
regular rate, and moved his furniture and pets from Dallas
to Wyoming, I could believe that he had actually changed his
residence.

However, I think the federal courts might rule that merely
reregistering to vote is not a full change of address. Can
Texas' electors vote for both Bush and Cheney? Probably not
legally.

Jane

Like what?  What purpose would this serve if Bush wins?   I would do anything
to over turn this, or stop this....but I do not see what I can actually do
about it.  Explain in more graphic detail

Thanks

Stephano

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--- Suthafiori68@... wrote:
> Dear Autumn-I agree.  Personally the thought of
> being governed by another
> Bush is so repugnant to me that I feel like the
> entire Gay and Lesbian
> Community-as well as others for whose lives
> would become disaster if Bush
> were elected President-should be given a large
> Federal check to relocate to
> Canada.   If Bush is elected, I will defect as
> soon as humanly possible.
>
> Stephano
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Ok, here's a suggestion of how we can START a plan of action: Why don't we
ALL take it upon ourselves over the next few hours and days to look all over
the web or anywhere else we can think of to come up with e-mail lists and
other important contact of all Democratic or anti-Bush groups that could take
our message out to the people and create a national movement. Let's share
them here and together built a HUGE list of contacts that we can all tap into
. It may sound crazy, but there are enough of us here that if we POOL OUR
RESOURCES AND BRAINS we can put something in motion.  Deal?

Monica

--- Private Sender <TymeRunner@...> In
CASE
> this whole Florida vote
> turns out to be sour, OR in case folks decide
> to sway the electoral college
> to stand FOR the popular vote - I am E Mailing
> all the Democratic Party
> heads, and Al Gore's campaign managers to
> beseech aide, advice, etc.


I am doing the same.  I KNOW in my bones that
this is a fraud.

It makes no sense that all of the news orgs.
declared Gore the winner in Florida.  The Bush
families (Sr. and Jr.) abruptly leave their hotel
restaurant dinner and rush back to the governor's
mansion.  Then, the news anchors, including NPR,
are flustered, confused -- they can't believe
what they are seeing -- that Florida is all of a
sudden undecided?

I am contacting every news organization as well
to beg them to get a herd of reporters into
Florida.  I also pass on important information to
other lists.







>
> That, I feel is the best place to start.... I
> guess it would help a lot if
> we all did this for starters. I have been
> reading and writing all morning,
> and feel as if I have gotten nothing
> accomplished, so I think I am going to
> try and /do/ something about it...
>
> What do you guys think?
>
> Autumn
>
>
> >From: "robert " <avocadolover@...>
> >Reply-To: impeach-bush@egroups.com
> >To: impeach-bush@egroups.com
> >Subject: [impeach-bush] What about a Class
> Action Suit On This One
> >Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 18:51:26 -0000
> >
> >What about a Class Action Suit On This One
>
>http://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/11/08/election.president/
> >My comment re this story. Reports are that
> this area of , Palm Beach
> >County is heavily Jewish & heavily
> Democratic..
> >Thus Jewish Democratic voters, who most likely
> intended to vote for
> >Gore, may hold the key to this election.
> Perhaps a class action suit
> >could be started on their behalf, which could
> go directly to the US
> >Supreme Court for a quick decision .
> >"Buchanan controversy
> >In a separate controversy, Palm Beach County
> >voters complained that their punch card
> ballots
> >had the names of presidential candidates on
> two
> >pages instead of one. The voters said it led
> to
> >confusion and they may have voted for Reform
> Party candidate Patrick
> >Buchanan when they had intended to vote for
> Gore.
> >"I saw it myself with my own eyes," Rep.
> Robert Wexler, D-Florida,
> >told CNN.
> >"I talked to hundreds of people. There is no
> doubt there was mass
> >confusion in
> >Palm Beach County yesterday at the ballot box,
> which resulted in at
> >least it
> >seems about 3,000 plus votes for Pat Buchanan
> and I know that that's
> >incorrect."
>
>http://www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/epaper/editions/today/news_2.html
> >Ballot's listings baffling to  Voters"
>
>http://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/11/08/election.president/
> >By George Bennett, Palm Beach Post Staff
> >Writer
> >Wednesday, November 8, 2000
> >
> >Al Gore's campaign once fretted about losing
> >votes to liberal Green Party candidate Ralph
> >Nader.

  - snip -

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Dear Autumn-I agree.  Personally the thought of being governed by another
Bush is so repugnant to me that I feel like the entire Gay and Lesbian
Community-as well as others for whose lives would become disaster if Bush
were elected President-should be given a large Federal check to relocate to
Canada.   If Bush is elected, I will defect as soon as humanly possible.

Stephano

OK. here is what I am doing, so far.... In CASE this whole Florida vote
turns out to be sour, OR in case folks decide to sway the electoral college
to stand FOR the popular vote - I am E Mailing all the Democratic Party
heads, and Al Gore's campaign managers to beseech aide, advice, etc.

That, I feel is the best place to start.... I guess it would help a lot if
we all did this for starters. I have been reading and writing all morning,
and feel as if I have gotten nothing accomplished, so I think I am going to
try and /do/ something about it...

What do you guys think?

Autumn


>From: "robert " <avocadolover@...>
>Reply-To: impeach-bush@egroups.com
>To: impeach-bush@egroups.com
>Subject: [impeach-bush] What about a Class Action Suit On This One
>Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 18:51:26 -0000
>
>What about a Class Action Suit On This One
>http://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/11/08/election.president/
>My comment re this story. Reports are that this area of , Palm Beach
>County is heavily Jewish & heavily Democratic..
>Thus Jewish Democratic voters, who most likely intended to vote for
>Gore, may hold the key to this election. Perhaps a class action suit
>could be started on their behalf, which could go directly to the US
>Supreme Court for a quick decision .
>"Buchanan controversy
>In a separate controversy, Palm Beach County
>voters complained that their punch card ballots
>had the names of presidential candidates on two
>pages instead of one. The voters said it led to
>confusion and they may have voted for Reform Party candidate Patrick
>Buchanan when they had intended to vote for Gore.
>"I saw it myself with my own eyes," Rep. Robert Wexler, D-Florida,
>told CNN.
>"I talked to hundreds of people. There is no doubt there was mass
>confusion in
>Palm Beach County yesterday at the ballot box, which resulted in at
>least it
>seems about 3,000 plus votes for Pat Buchanan and I know that that's
>incorrect."
>http://www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/epaper/editions/today/news_2.html
>Ballot's listings baffling to  Voters"
>http://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/11/08/election.president/
>By George Bennett, Palm Beach Post Staff
>Writer
>Wednesday, November 8, 2000
>
>Al Gore's campaign once fretted about losing
>votes to liberal Green Party candidate Ralph
>Nader.
>
>But on Tuesday in Palm Beach County,
>Democrats instead worried that Gore votes were
>mistakenly going to conservative Reform Party
>nominee Pat Buchanan because of a ballot
>layout they called confusing.
>
>Tempers flared all day at the county elections
>office as Gore supporters complained about the
>two-page listing of presidential candidates in the
>county's ballot booklet. Many Democrats said
>they weren't sure whether they were punching
>their ballot for Gore or Buchanan.
>
>Gore's campaign was watching the Buchanan
>vote from Palm Beach County early this morning
>to see whether it made any difference in
>statewide results.
>
>"We're continuing to look at the issue and our options," said Gore's
>Florida
>campaign spokeswoman, Liz Lubow.
>With 71.2 percent of county precincts reporting, Buchanan had only
>about 0.8
>percent of the total. His 1,829 votes included 54 from the Democratic
>retiree
>stronghold of Century Village in West Palm Beach and 37 from Kings
>Point in
>Delray Beach, another haven of older Democrats.
>Tuesday also saw scattered complaints from some of the county's 535
>precincts that ballots did not include all the races up for election
>Tuesday.
>Elections Supervisor Theresa LePore confirmed that some voters in the
>48th
>Precinct in North Palm Beach received ballots that didn't include the
>U.S.
>Senate race or the U.S. House contest between Rep. Mark Foley, R-West
>Palm Beach, and Jean Elliott Brown. The problem was limited to four of
>the
>precinct's 22 voting machines and was fixed by 7:30 a.m., LePore said.
>A similar problem was spotted and corrected before the polls opened in
>a
>south county precinct, LePore said. She said she was unaware of other
>similar complaints.
>Tuesday's large turnout also produced widespread gripes about long
>lines at
>polling places and jammed phone lines at the Elections Office.
>But the largest hue and cry was over the presidential ballot.
>"This is ridiculous, this ballot. We have senior citizens going
>crazy," said
>state Rep. Lois Frankel, D-West Palm Beach, who came to the county
>elections office about 3 p.m. to register her displeasure. She was
>soon joined
>by state Sen. Ron Klein, D-Boca Raton, and U.S. Rep. Robert Wexler,
>D-Boca Raton.
>"It's sick," Wexler said of the possibility of Buchanan getting Gore
>votes.
>"This has national implications," Frankel said at the time.
>Because of a 1998 state law making it easier for minor-party
>candidates to
>get on the ballot, there were 10 presidential candidates and space for
>a
>write-in on Tuesday's ballot.
>The candidates were listed on two facing pages of the ballot booklet
>that is
>attached to each voting machine. The punch holes for each candidate
>were in
>a single column that ran between the facing pages.
>The Democratic ticket of Gore and Joe Lieberman was the second one
>listed
>on the left-hand page of the ballot. But the punch hole for
>Gore-Lieberman was
>the third one down in the column. A thick arrow pointed from the
>Democratic
>ticket to the corresponding punch hole. But many voters said they were
>still
>bewildered.
>"You can't tell, really, which number you're punching, which hole
>you're
>punching," said John Lazet, who came to the elections office from his
>Greenacres precinct to complain and ended up in a heated argument with
>LePore.
>Palm Beach County was apparently the only county in Florida to list
>the
>candidates on two pages. State law dictates the order in which
>candidates
>are to be listed, but allows each county to determine the layout for
>its ballot.
>LePore said she was trying to help older voters by putting the
>presidential
>candidates on two facing pages. Fitting them on a single page, LePore
>said,
>would have required a smaller type that would have been difficult to
>read.
>Lubow called the ballot "potentially very confusing for folks."
>Florida recount holds key to White House
>November 8, 2000
>Web posted at: 12:43 p.m. EST (1743 GMT)
>MIAMI, Florida (CNN) -- A day after Election Day, the U.S.
>presidential race remains a who-won-it mystery that will be solved
>when Florida reveals the outcome of its vote recount.
>GOP candidate Texas Gov. George W.
>Bush has a 1,784-vote lead over
>Democratic Vice President Al Gore in
>Florida. Because the lead is so narrow,
>Florida's election officials, by law, enacted
>a mandatory recount Wednesday. The
>recount must be completed by the end of
>the business day on Thursday.
>
>A county-by-county recount had begun by
>Wednesday afternoon, and election officials
>said they would release results as they received them.
>
>The Electoral College and ultimate victory for either Gore or Bush is
>at stake.
>The Bush campaign told CNN on Wednesday that Bush advisers expect the
>governor to be declared the president-elect, despite the tight race
>and the Florida recount.
>But a Gore campaign spokesman said his side believes enough votes
>remain uncounted to bring victory to the vice president.
>Gore overtook Bush in the national popular vote tally by 1 percentage
>point, 49 percent to 48 percent.
>Officials in Florida said all the precinct ballots
>and all the absentee ballots had been counted in
>all 67 counties with the major exception of
>overseas absentee ballots. Now all the votes will
>be recounted by supervisors from all counties,
>with representatives from the news media and both candidates present.
>Election officials said either the number of overseas absentee ballots
>or a change as a result of the recount could tip the election for Bush
>or for Gore.
>It is also possible that one candidate could win the Electoral College
>vote and the other win the popular vote, which hasn't happened in a
>hundred years.
>Representatives of all the candidates were
>invited to observe the recount, and the Gore
>campaign sent former Secretary of State Warren Christopher to Florida
>to help oversee it.
>Buchanan controversy
>In a separate controversy, Palm Beach County
>voters complained that their punch card ballots
>had the names of presidential candidates on two
>pages instead of one. The voters said it led to
>confusion and they may have voted for Reform Party candidate Patrick
>Buchanan when they had intended to vote for Gore.
>"I saw it myself with my own eyes," Rep. Robert Wexler, D-Florida,
>told CNN.
>"I talked to hundreds of people. There is no doubt there was mass
>confusion in
>Palm Beach County yesterday at the ballot box, which resulted in at
>least it
>seems about 3,000 plus votes for Pat Buchanan and I know that that's
>incorrect."
>Gore leads in the popular vote count by just over 275,000 votes --
>48,734,682 for Gore and 48,459,592 for Bush.
>Green Party candidate Ralph Nader-who received 2,658,281 votes-was
>accused of being a spoiler for Gore by siphoning off Democratic votes.
>Reform Party candidate Buchanan received 443,135 votes.
>Buchanan offered Nader some advice.
>"I would currently advise Ralph, given the
>numbers that I've seen, that he may be
>interested in Secret Service protection when
>he comes in here this morning from some
>angry Democrats, who I'm sure are going
>to blame him for the defeat of Al Gore. And
>if he gets credit for that, more power to him," Buchanan said.
>At a Wednesday news conference, Nader said he supported the Florida
>recount and said his candidacy proved the Green Party is "alive and
>well' and has been established as a legitimate third party.
>Turnout up
>The Committee for the Study of the American Electorate estimated 52 to
>53
>percent of the eligible voters cast ballots. That number was about 55
>percent in
>1992.
>Without a decision in Florida-which commands 25 electoral votes-Gore
>led the projected tally in the Electoral College by 14 votes, 260 to
>246.
>The only other state yet to have a projected winner is Oregon, which
>holds seven electoral votes. A candidate needs 270 electoral votes to
>win the presidency.
>If Bush takes Florida, the state's electoral
>votes would push his number to 271 -- one
>more than necessary to win the presidency.
>If Gore wins Florida, he'll have 285 -- but if
>he doesn't win Florida, and even if he takes
>Oregon, he'll fall short of 270 by three electoral votes.
>Election Day
>The Bush family, including Bush's father,
>former President George Bush, gathered
>Tuesday evening at the governor's home in
>Austin, Texas, to watch returns.
>
>Gore and his family did the same at their home in Carthage, Tennessee.
>Early Tuesday evening Gore aides told CNN that the Rev. Jesse Jackson
>had
>been dispatched to Pennsylvania in a last-minute effort to increase
>voter turnout
>among Democrats in that battleground state, while members of Sen.
>Edward
>Kennedy's staff had been sent to New Hampshire on a similar mission.
>As election results poured in, the electoral vote appeared to be
>moving in Gore's favor, and at one point, news media projections
>showed that Gore would win Florida. But soon afterward, media outlets,
>including CNN, switched Florida's status back to a toss-up. Later the
>media projected Bush a winner in Florida and then retracted that
>projection.
>As the state vote tally appeared to be moving toward Bush, the vice
>president
>was very close to making a concession speech, aides said, but staffers
>convinced him the Florida results were too inconclusive."
>
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If Bush wins, what a travesty it shall be for our country!  I will
mourn.  I will mourn for the founding Fathers who built and loves
this country, and I will mourn for the country that they built and
they loved!

We must get rid of him-and the means is unimportant at this point.  I
dont want to governed by someone who has "ridden on Daddy's coat-
tails" his entire life.

Any thoughts?

If Bush wins, what a travesty it shall be for our country!  I will
mourn.  I will mourn for the founding Fathers who built and loves
this country, and I will mourn for the country that they built and
they loved!

We must get rid of him-and the means is unimportant at this point.  I
dont want to governed by someone who has "ridden on Daddy's coat-
tails" his entire life.

Any thoughts?

Oh-I know all the negative things regarding Bush I need to know.
Thanks for the offer anyway.