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#1533 From: jclem412@...
Date: Sat Apr 27, 2002 11:21 pm
Subject: Re: rain barrels 		jclem412@...
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Check out the recycled wine barrels in Real Goods magazine or .com.

D. Clemens

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#1534 From: ChasMauch@...
Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 3:05 pm
Subject: The San Francisco Solar Story 		charlesleemauch
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Dear HREGers,

I knew that San Francisco had some kind of solar proposition on their ballot last November but never heard the details or how it came out. Turns out that it passed and it is a very interesting project which I think we should investigate seriously for Houston or for the entire state.
You can find the details at www.votesolar.org. There are several buttons you can select as listed below. I have reproduced below the one called "The San Francisco Story" which I think is very interesting, but the others give more details and are also worth reading. I asked to be put on their list ("Contact Us") below. Would appreciate any thoughts anyone might have on this.
Charlie Mauch












 



THE SAN FRANCISCO STORYOn November 6, 2001, San Francisco voters overwhelmingly approved a landmark $100 million bond initiative that pays for solar panels, energy efficiency and wind turbines for public facilities. The measure pays for itself entirely from energy savings at no cost to taxpayers. With this model, San Francisco pioneered a path for funding the nation's transition to renewable energy.The mechanics are simple. The bond pays for solar panels, wind turbines and energy efficiency measures for public buildings. The money that would have gone to buy electricity from power plants instead goes to pay down the bond. The campaign for the solar revenue bond happened because San Francisco residents, like many other Californians, were plagued by blackouts, skyrocketing prices and dirty neighborhood power plants. Large-scale solar power represents an important way for people to take greater control over their future by making their own affordable, reliable, and clean energy.The effort to pass the measure became a consensus campaign. The measure earned the endorsement of organizations spanning the political spectrum from the Chamber of Commerce to the Sierra Club and almost every elected leader representing San Francisco from City Hall to Capitol Hill. The measure, which moved from a mere idea to approved legislation in less than 10 months, passed by 73%. Implementation of the bond will be handled by the city's Public Utilities Commission and will be phased in over four years.The San Francisco revenue bond model has already attracted the attention of cities around the country because of its enormous popularity with voters and its obvious fiscal advantages. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .VoteSolar Home | Contact Us | Links
The San Francisco Story | Why Solar? | About Revenue Bonds

Tools to Help You | Press




The effort to put solar panels on government buildings in San Francisco was supported almost universally.


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#1535 From: "C. Terry Ross" <cross@...>
Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 8:05 pm
Subject: RE: The San Francisco Solar Story 		cross@...
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This would be great for Harris County – especially if they included multifamily structures.  I am trying to utilize water-source heat pumps for a 4 story, 100 unit apt complex and would like to include solar and/or wind if the economies were there.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: ChasMauch@... [mailto:ChasMauch@...]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 2:06 PM
To: hreg@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [hreg] The San Francisco Solar Story

 

Dear HREGers,

I knew that San Francisco had some kind of solar proposition on their ballot last November but never heard the details or how it came out. Turns out that it passed and it is a very interesting project which I think we should investigate seriously for Houston or for the entire state.
You can find the details at www.votesolar.org. There are several buttons you can select as listed below. I have reproduced below the one called "The San Francisco Story" which I think is very interesting, but the others give more details and are also worth reading. I asked to be put on their list ("Contact Us") below. Would appreciate any thoughts anyone might have on this.
Charlie Mauch













 



 

THE SAN FRANCISCO STORYOn November 6, 2001, San Francisco voters overwhelmingly approved a landmark $100 million bond initiative that pays for solar panels, energy efficiency and wind turbines for public facilities. The measure pays for itself entirely from energy savings at no cost to taxpayers. With this model, San Francisco pioneered a path for funding the nation's transition to renewable energy.The mechanics are simple. The bond pays for solar panels, wind turbines and energy efficiency measures for public buildings. The money that would have gone to buy electricity from power plants instead goes to pay down the bond. The campaign for the solar revenue bond happened because San Francisco residents, like many other Californians, were plagued by blackouts, skyrocketing prices and dirty neighborhood power plants. Large-scale solar power re! presents an important way for people to take greater control over their future by making their own affordable, reliable, and clean energy.The effort to pass the measure became a consensus campaign. The measure earned the endorsement of organizations spanning the political spectrum from the Chamber of Commerce to the Sierra Club and almost every elected leader representing San Francisco from City Hall to Capitol Hill. The measure, which moved from a mere idea to approved legislation in less than 10 months, passed by 73%. Implementation of the bond will be handled by the city's Public Utilities Commission and will be phased in over four years.The San Francisco revenue bond model has already attracted the attention of cities around the country because of its enormous popularity with voters and its obvious fiscal advantages. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .VoteSolar Home | Contact Us | Links
The San Francisco Story | Why Solar? | About Revenue Bonds

Tools to Help You | Press




The effort to put solar panels on government buildings in San Francisco was supported almost universally.



Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.



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#1536 From: tigger@...
Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 8:34 pm
Subject: RE: The San Francisco Solar Story 		tigger@...
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On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, C. Terry Ross wrote:

> This would be great for Harris County - especially if they included
> multifamily structures.  I am trying to utilize water-source heat pumps
> for a 4 story, 100 unit apt complex and would like to include solar
> and/or wind if the economies were there.
>

I'm interested in the details of this system for the apartment complex. One
of the issues discussed at yesterday's meeting (thanks, Greg!) was that
geothermal units lose efficiency once the ground starts loading up with
heat. I would guess you'll have to go a lot deeper than the 150' of Greg's
system to avoid that problem.

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#1537 From: "Robert Johnston" <rjohnsto@...>
Date: Tue Apr 30, 2002 1:04 am
Subject: RE: The San Francisco Solar Story 		pencil1959
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Charlies,

 

If they didn’t use fuzzy math to do this, but picked real payback type projects, this is a great idea.  As far as I’m concerned, it beats paying for baseball stadiums and football stadiums with bond money and leaving sucker tourists, car renters and restaurant diners picking up the tab.

 

I wonder if they calculated the payback based on last year’s inflated California electricity prices or on more realistic longterm pricing.

 

Robert Johnston

 

-----Original Message-----
From: ChasMauch@... [mailto:ChasMauch@...]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 2:06 PM
To: hreg@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [hreg] The San Francisco Solar Story

 

Dear HREGers,

I knew that San Francisco had some kind of solar proposition on their ballot last November but never heard the details or how it came out. Turns out that it passed and it is a very interesting project which I think we should investigate seriously for Houston or for the entire state.
You can find the details at www.votesolar.org. There are several buttons you can select as listed below. I have reproduced below the one called "The San Francisco Story" which I think is very interesting, but the others give more details and are also worth reading. I asked to be put on their list ("Contact Us") below. Would appreciate any thoughts anyone might have on this.
Charlie Mauch













 



 

THE SAN FRANCISCO STORYOn November 6, 2001, San Francisco voters overwhelmingly approved a landmark $100 million bond initiative that pays for solar panels, energy efficiency and wind turbines for public facilities. The measure pays for itself entirely from energy savings at no cost to taxpayers. With this model, San Francisco pioneered a path for funding the nation's transition to renewable energy.The mechanics are simple. The bond pays for solar panels, wind turbines and energy efficiency measures for public buildings. The money that would have gone to buy electricity from power plants instead goes to pay down the bond. The campaign for the solar revenue bond happened because San Francisco residents, like many other Californians, were plagued by blackouts, skyrocketing prices and dirty neighborhood power plants. Large-scale solar power represents an important way for people to take greater control over their future by making their own affordable, reliable, and clean energy.The effort to pass the measure became a consensus campaign. The measure earned the endorsement of organizations spanning the political spectrum from the Chamber of Commerce to the Sierra Club and almost every elected leader representing San Francisco from City Hall to Capitol Hill. The measure, which moved from a mere idea to approved legislation in less than 10 months, passed by 73%. Implementation of the bond will be handled by the city's Public Utilities Commission and will be phased in over four years.The San Francisco revenue bond model has already attracted the attention of cities around the country because of its enormous popularity with voters and its obvious fiscal advantages. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .VoteSolar Home | Contact Us | Links
The San Francisco Story | Why Solar? | About Revenue Bonds

Tools to Help You | Press




The effort to put solar panels on government buildings in San Francisco was supported almost universally.



Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.



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#1538 From: ChasMauch@...
Date: Mon Apr 29, 2002 10:12 pm
Subject: Re: The San Francisco Solar Story 		charlesleemauch
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Robert,
When you click on the "Contact Us" button you get the name of 3 persons who were instrumental in putting the bond issue together (copied below). I assume you could contact one of them and get the details of what they did and how fuzzy the numbers might be. I hope someone who is good on economic evaluation will do this and report their conclusions back to the rest of us.
Charlie
















CONTACT US Want to talk to someone about how to do this in your
city?


David Hochschild, after working on the team that put together the
solar bond, left his job in the San Francisco Mayor's Office in August 2001 to work on the campaign full time and has now co-founded the Vote Solar Initiative.
dhochschild@...
(415) 641-5874

Adam Browning, a toxics specialist with the Environmental Protection Agency, also worked on the campaign for San Francisco's solar bond and co-founded the Vote Solar Initiative.
abrowning@... or
h:(510) 548-3102
m:(510) 520 0630


Toby Barlow is a creative director for JWT & Tonic, a San Francisco
advertising and marketing agency, and served as a volunteer for Prop B.
toby@...Mailing Address:
The Vote Solar Initiative
3857 20th Street
San Francisco, CA
94114


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In some ways, the rest of the world is way ahead of us when it comes to recognizing the value of solar power.Germany is the leading market for solar panels, though it receives only 60% of the annual sunlight of the US.Kenya has electrified 20,000 homes using PVs in the last few years, compared to only 17,000 new homes that were hooked up to the central power grid. In Morocco, solar panels are sold in bazaars and open markets, right alongside carpets and tinware.


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#1539 From: Kim & Garth Travis <gartht@...>
Date: Tue Apr 30, 2002 12:37 pm
Subject: Re: The San Francisco Solar Story 		airdriel
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> of the issues discussed at yesterday's meeting (thanks, Greg!) was that
> geothermal units lose efficiency once the ground starts loading up with
> heat.

While my solution would be difficult for a large building, it does work
on a small one.  My cooling coil is under a garden bed that is watered
everyday.  This helps wash the heat away and keeps my place cool.  The
other option is a shaded, deep pond.  Just make sure you run your lines
far enough apart to not heat your cool with the return heat.
Kim

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#1540 From: Joseph Phelan <jphelan1@...>
Date: Wed May 1, 2002 9:08 pm
Subject: G., trihalomethanes [THMs]) It 		jphelan1@...
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Neither has been widely accepted because of their high cost.
Ozone compromises safety. In ozonation, the ozone generator and containment
equipment are expensive to construct,  and install, and maintain and are
susceptible to leaks between the time of generation and processing.

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#1541 From: "Roy Holder" <roy@...>
Date: Wed May 1, 2002 9:17 pm
Subject: Re: G., trihalomethanes [THMs]) It 		roy@...
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At 04:08 PM 5/1/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>Neither has been widely accepted because of their high cost.
>Ozone compromises safety. In ozonation, the ozone generator and
containment equipment are expensive to construct,  and install, and
maintain and are susceptible to leaks between the time of generation and
processing.
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>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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>Attachment Converted: "D:\mail\Attach\maintain.exe"

THIS FILE HAS A VIRUS IN IT.  DO NOT OPEN,



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#1542 From: tigger@...
Date: Wed May 1, 2002 9:29 pm
Subject: Re: G., trihalomethanes [THMs]) It 		tigger@...
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I converted the white paper file into html format and attached it if anyone
wants to read it.
It should be virus free, since I used StarOffice on Solaris to convert it
(not a Window in sight!).

Paul



On Wed, 1 May 2002, Roy Holder wrote:

> At 04:08 PM 5/1/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> >Neither has been widely accepted because of their high cost.
> >Ozone compromises safety. In ozonation, the ozone generator and
> containment equipment are expensive to construct,  and install, and
> maintain and are susceptible to leaks between the time of generation and
> processing.
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> >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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> >Attachment Converted: "D:\mail\Attach\maintain.exe"
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"We Americans, we're a simple people...
  but piss us off, and we'll bomb your cities."
--------------Robin Williams------------------

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Are Compromises Acceptable In Water Disinfection?



If disinfected water is required to maintain public health and a sustainable environment, is it acceptable to make compromises with either the safety or performance of the water disinfection process and applied technologies? If so, is it more acceptable to compromise performance for safety, or safety for operating costs? If compromises are not acceptable, is there any disinfection technology that mitigates these risks?


This is the tough question that confronts government regulators and water and wastewater treatment managers, because each of the methods technologies available until today for disinfecting the disinfection of wastewater -- including chemical chlorination, ozone, membrane filtration mechanical means, and conventional ultraviolet (UV) light treatment -- requires some degree of compromise in the delivery of disinfected water:


Chlorine compromises both safety and performance. Until recently, the traditional method of disinfection has been chlorinechlorine has been the technology of choice for water disinfection. However, chlorine requires compromises with in both safety and performance


  • Residual chlorine can be toxic to other organisms in the environment

  • Chlorine oxidizes certain types of organic matter in wastewater, creating more hazardous compounds (e.g., trihalomethanes [THMs])

  • It is difficult to maintain a low total residual chlorine (TRC) level

  • There are risks related to the safe storage and handling of chlorine

  • Some parasitic species (namely cryptosporidium) have shown resistance to low doses of chlorine


Ozone compromises safety. In ozonation, the ozone generator and containment equipment are expensive to construct, install, and maintain and are susceptible to leaks between the time of generation and processing.


Membranes compromise performance. With membrane filtration there is a significant risk in the membrane breaking or being damaged, thus compromising its integrity and increasing the probability of microbial passage and contamination.


Conventional UV compromises safety and performance. To date, the most economically viable, non-chemical disinfection technology is ultraviolet (UV) light. However, while conventional continuous wave UV systems do provide significant improvements over other disinfection methods, the technology still require unacceptable compromises. With continuous wave systems facility managers are compromising safety (multiple mercury lamps), performance (no real-time process control or measurement to ensure optimized performance),


With these limited choices in disinfection methodologies, water managers - and, as a result, governments and the public - have endured public health and environmental compromises. But is that acceptable? Is it acceptable to disinfect water for human consumption with a chemical that triggers by-products that are suspected of causing cancer and birth defects in humans? Is it acceptable to risk public health and the environment with a disinfection technology that contains mercury? Etc.


Interview operators and regulators in 26 countries/ 2 years


Seeking solution to comprompises


What compromises do you face?

Qaulity

Precision

Safety

Performance

Ease of Op

Cost

Service


What would you design to eliminate?

Highest quality

Precision

Safe

High performance

Simplified

Affordable

Back by service


As a result?.



LightStream's core technology has been developed with the single objective of delivering an advanced waster disinfection technology that eliminates the current compromises in water disinfection and precisely meets the requirements for the highest levels of safety, performance, and value.

Every LightStream product is designed, engineered, manufactured and supported to the industry's most demanding requirements - the LightStream No Compromise Standard:

Deliver the highest quality, precision performance confirmed, chemical- and mercury-free ultra high intensity UV technology that is easy to operate and maintain, available at a competitive price, and backed by in-market quality assurance.



Eliminating the Compromises. Setting a New Standard


Highest Quality. All LightStream products are subjected to the most rigorous, uncompromising, customer-focused quality control process. Our manufacturing alliance with Pemstar, Inc. (www.pemstar.com) brings with it Six Sigma quality control and ISO 9002 certification. This ensures that very LightStream disinfection system is of the highest quality in components, manufacturing, and performance.


Precision Performance Confirmed. LightStream's performance-based disinfection method enables the facility manager to achieve complete control and accountability for their UV disinfection system by providing actual real-time measurement, control, and reporting capabilities. Only LightStream delivers this uncompromisingly precise, performance-based process confirmation and accountability.

Each LightStream unit maintains a constantly optimized UV dose by continuous sub-second analysis of and adjustment to the performance of its lamp and the UV transmissivity of the process water. Precision-process control is based on a UV transmission feedback loop and on a truly active and independent adjustment of each unit. This accountability also provides managers instant digital reporting capability on the system's overall disinfection performance, economic efficiency (both accumulated and real time), safety status, service history and service alerts. The unit also anticipates the timeframe in which to schedule routine maintenance and conveys this request to the manager.

Chemical- and Mercury-free. Because LightStream does not utilize hazardous chemicals or risky mercury vapor lamps, it is the safest and most environment-friendly disinfection technology. Our superior designs in mercury-free xenon flash lamps eliminate the safety compromises of all other disinfection technologies, which could impact the safety of workers, the process effluent and the environment.


Ultra High Intensity Pulsed UV. Pulsed UV enhances the disinfection capability of ultraviolet light for the treatment of water and wastewater. With Pulsed UV, electricity is delivered in pulses to a xenon lamp located in the center of the reaction chamber through which water passes. And with an average UV power of 2,500 watts and peak UV power of 6,000,000 watts per pulse, one (1) LightStream lamp delivers significantly more power (as much as a thousand times higher than a continuous wave lamp), flexibility and performance (up to 6-log reduction) for the precise delivery of desired UV dose across a broader pathogen-killing spectrum (200 - 300nm). Up to 30 times per second. "Contact time" is less than one second.


Easy to Operate and Maintain. LightStream units are self-contained "plug and play" machines with full powered PC touch screen control panels available in 22 languages (including Help screens) and a single non-fouling lamp enclosed within the UV reactor that has been optimized through computational fluid dynamics and can be replaced in minutes by simply moving two levers.


LightStream single-lamp reactors are rated for 100 million pulses (3-6 months, depending on pulse rate). Because the LightStream unit monitors lamp integrity and performance with each pulse, the plant manager knows in advance when to order and install a replacement reactor. This is in stark contrast to all other UV systems, which incur significant labor costs for lamp cleaning and replacement. The LightStream unit also requires no warm-up period, and does not suffer from the on-off cycling lamp degradation of other UV systems.


Add to those customer-focused features the fact that LightStream's advanced electronics consume less electricity than standard medium pressure UV systems, and it is clear that LightStream defines efficiency in system operation and maintenance. This is one of the highest requirements of water managers worldwide, and LightStream delivers.


Competitive Price. LightStream is a complete "plug and play" disinfection solution and compares quite favorably to the total "turn-on" capital costs of other less complete systems. Continuous wave UV system's capital costs include those for equipment (lamps, ballasts, cranes, etc) system engineering and construction. Construction costs include building the system's channels, cleaning facilities and other site preparation requirements prior to operation. These construction requirements add significant expense -- often as much as three times the cost of the UV equipment. In contrast, a LightStream system requires minimal site engineering and construction costs beyond the initial equipment cost of the system.


In-Market Service and Quality Assurance. LightStream only sells its products in markets that are serviced by a LightStream Exclusive Technology Provider with factory-trained technicians and in-stock spare parts. Moreover, unlike other UV equipment manufactures that rely on one-year warranties and service "inquiries" to the factory, all LightStream products are fully supported by a comprehensive 24-month warranty (extended warranties are available), in-market service and on-going remote-polling quality assurance systems that continuously monitor and trouble-shoot systems 24 hours a day from anywhere in the world.




Conclusion



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#1543 From: "Roy Holder" <roy@...>
Date: Wed May 1, 2002 9:30 pm
Subject: Re: G., trihalomethanes [THMs]) It 		roy@...
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At 04:29 PM 5/1/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>I converted the white paper file into html format and attached it if anyone
>wants to read it.
>It should be virus free, since I used StarOffice on Solaris to convert it
>(not a Window in sight!).
>
>Paul

Maintain.exe had the virus. It is best to delete it(Maintain.exe) immediately


>
>
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>On Wed, 1 May 2002, Roy Holder wrote:
>
>> At 04:08 PM 5/1/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>> >Neither has been widely accepted because of their high cost.
>> >Ozone compromises safety. In ozonation, the ozone generator and
>> containment equipment are expensive to construct,  and install, and
>> maintain and are susceptible to leaks between the time of generation and
>> processing.
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>> >
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>> >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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>> >Attachment Converted: "D:\mail\Attach\maintain.exe"
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>"We Americans, we're a simple people...
> but piss us off, and we'll bomb your cities."
>--------------Robin Williams------------------
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#1544 From: tigger@...
Date: Wed May 1, 2002 9:38 pm
Subject: what's so special about the Prius? 		tigger@...
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I was just looking at the EPA numbers for the Toyota Prius, and I'm
wondering if I'm missing something.
According to Toyota's website, the car gets 52 city, 45 highway. I
understand that the numbers look backwards, but that the regenerative
braking accounts for the reversal.

What I don't understand is why go through the hassle and expense of having
such a complex system (hybrid gas/electric). My '92 Honda Civic XV (or was
it VX?)  got an estimated 48 city/57 highway. That's as good or better than
the Prius--especially for a car built 10 years ago with a 1.6 liter engine.

I suppose the question is, what makes a hybrid system better than a
lightweight car with a highly efficient gas engine?


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  but piss us off, and we'll bomb your cities."
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#1545 From: tigger@...
Date: Wed May 1, 2002 10:06 pm
Subject: good deals happening soon 		tigger@...
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For any computer geeks interested, it looks like Computer Exchange (near
Montrose on Westheimer) will be going out of business soon. I expect to see
some inventory liquidation prices pretty soon. If you're in the market for
any computer equipment, it should be worth checking out.

Paul

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  but piss us off, and we'll bomb your cities."
--------------Robin Williams------------------

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#1546 From: "Kevin L. Conlin" <kconlin@...>
Date: Wed May 1, 2002 10:30 pm
Subject: Re: good deals happening soon 		kconlin@...
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Geez Louise,  First a virus, now a going out of business ad!  Keep it
relevant or take me off the list!  Kevin

----- Original Message -----
From: <tigger@...>
To: "Houston New Beetle Club" <hnbc@egroups.com>; "Houston RE Group"
<hreg@yahoogroups.com>; "Matt Heimer" <chase@...>
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 5:06 PM
Subject: [hreg] good deals happening soon


> For any computer geeks interested, it looks like Computer Exchange (near
> Montrose on Westheimer) will be going out of business soon. I expect to
see
> some inventory liquidation prices pretty soon. If you're in the market for
> any computer equipment, it should be worth checking out.
>
> Paul
>
> --
> ----------------------------------------------
> "We Americans, we're a simple people...
>  but piss us off, and we'll bomb your cities."
> --------------Robin Williams------------------
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> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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#1547 From: "Joseph Phelan" <jphelan1@...>
Date: Wed May 1, 2002 11:28 pm
Subject: Re: G., trihalomethanes [THMs]) It 		jphelan1@...
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delete anything that went out.

I did not mail anything to the hreg group

The magistrate virus did

cleaning up now

JP

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roy Holder" <roy@...>
To: <hreg@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: [hreg] G., trihalomethanes [THMs]) It


> At 04:29 PM 5/1/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> >I converted the white paper file into html format and attached it if
anyone
> >wants to read it.
> >It should be virus free, since I used StarOffice on Solaris to convert it
> >(not a Window in sight!).
> >
> >Paul
>
> Maintain.exe had the virus. It is best to delete it(Maintain.exe)
immediately
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >On Wed, 1 May 2002, Roy Holder wrote:
> >
> >> At 04:08 PM 5/1/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> >> >Neither has been widely accepted because of their high cost.
> >> >Ozone compromises safety. In ozonation, the ozone generator and
> >> containment equipment are expensive to construct,  and install, and
> >> maintain and are susceptible to leaks between the time of generation
and
> >> processing.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Attachment Converted: "D:\mail\Attach\maintain.exe"
> >>
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#1548 From: "Joseph Phelan" <jphelan1@...>
Date: Wed May 1, 2002 11:30 pm
Subject: Re: G., trihalomethanes [THMs]) It 		jphelan1@...
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please everyone - just DELETE this
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just delete
 
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----- Original Message -----
From: tigger@...
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: [hreg] G., trihalomethanes [THMs]) It

I converted the white paper file into html format and attached it if anyone
wants to read it.
It should be virus free, since I used StarOffice on Solaris to convert it
(not a Window in sight!).

Paul



On Wed, 1 May 2002, Roy Holder wrote:

> At 04:08 PM 5/1/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> >Neither has been widely accepted because of their high cost.
> >Ozone compromises safety. In ozonation, the ozone generator and
> containment equipment are expensive to construct,  and install, and
> maintain and are susceptible to leaks between the time of generation and
> processing.
> >
> >
> >
> >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >Attachment Converted: "D:\mail\Attach\maintain.exe"
>
> THIS FILE HAS A VIRUS IN IT.  DO NOT OPEN,
>
>
>
> >
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> >
>
>
>
> 
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#1549 From: Feliciano Olivero <fjolivero@...>
Date: Thu May 2, 2002 3:23 am
Subject: Re: what's so special about the Prius? 		fjolivero@...
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Dear HREG member,
I'm not an expert on this, but I would like to give you some of the
advantages,
-I this hybrid system the engine's function is to feed the electric
generator which is in charge of turning the electric motor. The electric
motor is what moves the car at non-highway speeds (0 to 50 mph). At
highway speeds, both the electric motor and the gas engine (in a small %)
move the car, this is the reason why the gas mileage is less in the
highway than in the city.
- Since the gas engine works at almost constant RPM it means that it can
work all the time at the highest efficiency point, then produces less
emissions than an engine working alternatively at low and high rpm.
- The Prius accommodates 4 or 5 adults, it could be used by a family of
5. They now can make SUVs and full size sedans with the same technology
(once the field test with the Prius is finished) and give us the
opportunity to enjoy a non-polluting, and gas $saving, big family car.
- Have you driven one? is a totally different car experience.
- The Honda hybrid (2 seater) gives 70-75 miles per gallon.
- This are just the 2 first two cars, wait until they improve the
technology.
Regards,
Feliciano Olivero

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#1550 From: tigger@...
Date: Thu May 2, 2002 11:19 am
Subject: Re: what's so special about the Prius? 		tigger@...
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On Wed, 1 May 2002, Feliciano Olivero wrote:

> Dear HREG member,
> I'm not an expert on this, but I would like to give you some of the
> advantages,
> -I this hybrid system the engine's function is to feed the electric
> generator which is in charge of turning the electric motor. The electric
> motor is what moves the car at non-highway speeds (0 to 50 mph). At
> highway speeds, both the electric motor and the gas engine (in a small %)
> move the car, this is the reason why the gas mileage is less in the
> highway than in the city.
> - Since the gas engine works at almost constant RPM it means that it can
> work all the time at the highest efficiency point, then produces less
> emissions than an engine working alternatively at low and high rpm.

So, does a conventional engine that gets 50+ miles to the gallon produce
more pollutants than a hybrid engine that gets 50+ miles to the gallon?

In other words, how much difference does how the fuel gets burned make?



> - The Prius accommodates 4 or 5 adults, it could be used by a family of
> 5. They now can make SUVs and full size sedans with the same technology
> (once the field test with the Prius is finished) and give us the
> opportunity to enjoy a non-polluting, and gas $saving, big family car.
> - Have you driven one? is a totally different car experience.
> - The Honda hybrid (2 seater) gives 70-75 miles per gallon.
> - This are just the 2 first two cars, wait until they improve the
> technology.

Point taken...although if manufacturers raised the average fuel mileage of
the majority of vehicles being sold, it would make much more impact on
pollution and mileage than building super high-efficiency vehicles that
would end up being only a small percentage of the cars on the road.

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#1551 From: "Charles L. Seaman" <seamancl@...>
Date: Thu May 2, 2002 3:21 am
Subject: Re: what's so special about the Prius? 		seamancl@...
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We might run OUT of gas

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>From: tigger@...
>To: Houston RE Group <hreg@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [hreg] what's so special about the Prius?
>Date: Wed, May 1, 2002, 4:38 PM
>

> I was just looking at the EPA numbers for the Toyota Prius, and I'm
> wondering if I'm missing something.
> According to Toyota's website, the car gets 52 city, 45 highway. I
> understand that the numbers look backwards, but that the regenerative
> braking accounts for the reversal.
>
> What I don't understand is why go through the hassle and expense of having
> such a complex system (hybrid gas/electric). My '92 Honda Civic XV (or was
> it VX?)  got an estimated 48 city/57 highway. That's as good or better than
> the Prius--especially for a car built 10 years ago with a 1.6 liter engine.
>
> I suppose the question is, what makes a hybrid system better than a
> lightweight car with a highly efficient gas engine?
>
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#1552 From: "Steven Shepard" <sbtdesigns@...>
Date: Thu May 2, 2002 2:35 pm
Subject: Re: G., trihalomethanes [THMs]) It 		sbtdesigns
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What did you use to clean this virus please?

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Phelan" <jphelan1@...>
To: <hreg@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: [hreg] G., trihalomethanes [THMs]) It


> delete anything that went out.
>
> I did not mail anything to the hreg group
>
> The magistrate virus did
>
> cleaning up now
>
> JP
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roy Holder" <roy@...>
> To: <hreg@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [hreg] G., trihalomethanes [THMs]) It
>
>
> > At 04:29 PM 5/1/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> > >I converted the white paper file into html format and attached it if
> anyone
> > >wants to read it.
> > >It should be virus free, since I used StarOffice on Solaris to convert
it
> > >(not a Window in sight!).
> > >
> > >Paul
> >
> > Maintain.exe had the virus. It is best to delete it(Maintain.exe)
> immediately
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >On Wed, 1 May 2002, Roy Holder wrote:
> > >
> > >> At 04:08 PM 5/1/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> > >> >Neither has been widely accepted because of their high cost.
> > >> >Ozone compromises safety. In ozonation, the ozone generator and
> > >> containment equipment are expensive to construct,  and install, and
> > >> maintain and are susceptible to leaks between the time of generation
> and
> > >> processing.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >Attachment Converted: "D:\mail\Attach\maintain.exe"
> > >>
> > >> THIS FILE HAS A VIRUS IN IT.  DO NOT OPEN,
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> >Attachment Converted: "D:\mail\Attach\White Paper 3-17.doc"
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >--
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> > > but piss us off, and we'll bomb your cities."
> > >--------------Robin Williams------------------
> > >
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> > >Attachment Converted: "D:\mail\Attach\white_paper.htm"
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#1553 From: "kelt3337" <kelt_pkr@...>
Date: Thu May 2, 2002 3:40 pm
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#1554 From: "Roy Holder" <roy@...>
Date: Thu May 2, 2002 3:54 pm
Subject: Re: G., trihalomethanes [THMs]) It 		roy@...
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At 09:35 AM 5/2/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>What did you use to clean this virus please?
>
norton anti-virus


>SBT Designs
>25840 IH-10 West #1
>Boerne, Texas 78006
>210-698-7109
>FAX: 210-698-7147
>www.sbtdesigns.com
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Joseph Phelan" <jphelan1@...>
>To: <hreg@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 6:28 PM
>Subject: Re: [hreg] G., trihalomethanes [THMs]) It
>
>
>> delete anything that went out.
>>
>> I did not mail anything to the hreg group
>>
>> The magistrate virus did
>>
>> cleaning up now
>>
>> JP
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Roy Holder" <roy@...>
>> To: <hreg@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: [hreg] G., trihalomethanes [THMs]) It
>>
>>
>> > At 04:29 PM 5/1/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>> > >I converted the white paper file into html format and attached it if
>> anyone
>> > >wants to read it.
>> > >It should be virus free, since I used StarOffice on Solaris to convert
>it
>> > >(not a Window in sight!).
>> > >
>> > >Paul
>> >
>> > Maintain.exe had the virus. It is best to delete it(Maintain.exe)
>> immediately
>> >
>> >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >On Wed, 1 May 2002, Roy Holder wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> At 04:08 PM 5/1/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>> > >> >Neither has been widely accepted because of their high cost.
>> > >> >Ozone compromises safety. In ozonation, the ozone generator and
>> > >> containment equipment are expensive to construct,  and install, and
>> > >> maintain and are susceptible to leaks between the time of generation
>> and
>> > >> processing.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >Attachment Converted: "D:\mail\Attach\maintain.exe"
>> > >>
>> > >> THIS FILE HAS A VIRUS IN IT.  DO NOT OPEN,
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> >
>> > >> >Attachment Converted: "D:\mail\Attach\White Paper 3-17.doc"
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>> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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>> > > but piss us off, and we'll bomb your cities."
>> > >--------------Robin Williams------------------
>> > >
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#1555 From: Feliciano Olivero <fjolivero@...>
Date: Sat May 4, 2002 11:46 pm
Subject: Re: what's so special about the Prius? 		fjolivero@...
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On Thu, 2 May 2002 06:19:56 -0500 (CDT) tigger@... writes:
> On Wed, 1 May 2002, Feliciano Olivero wrote:
>
> > Dear HREG member,
> > I'm not an expert on this, but I would like to give you some of
> the
> > advantages,
> > -I this hybrid system the engine's function is to feed the
> electric
> > generator which is in charge of turning the electric motor. The
> electric
> > motor is what moves the car at non-highway speeds (0 to 50 mph).
> At
> > highway speeds, both the electric motor and the gas engine (in a
> small %)
> > move the car, this is the reason why the gas mileage is less in
> the
> > highway than in the city.
> > - Since the gas engine works at almost constant RPM it means that
> it can
> > work all the time at the highest efficiency point, then produces
> less
> > emissions than an engine working alternatively at low and high
> rpm.
>
> So, does a conventional engine that gets 50+ miles to the gallon
> produce
> more pollutants than a hybrid engine that gets 50+ miles to the
> gallon?
>
> In other words, how much difference does how the fuel gets burned
> make?
>>>>. Well, the engine is an efficient1.5 liter working at constant rpms. you also
 need to understand that in the Prius there is accumulation of energy in the batteries,
and when the cars needs it is released. The energy stored in the batteries were
generated by the engine-generator, or by the generator during the braking process
(some of the energy is recuperated during braking).In a normal car the energy lost
during the braking process is forever lost, gas wasted.
There are many differences/advantages, for reference check:
And, Honda just introduced their new Civic Hybrid!, more info at

>
>
>
> > - The Prius accommodates 4 or 5 adults, it could be used by a
> family of
> > 5. They now can make SUVs and full size sedans with the same
> technology
> > (once the field test with the Prius is finished) and give us the
> > opportunity to enjoy a non-polluting, and gas $saving, big family
> car.
> > - Have you driven one? is a totally different car experience.
> > - The Honda hybrid (2 seater) gives 70-75 miles per gallon.
> > - This are just the 2 first two cars, wait until they improve the
> > technology.
>
> Point taken...although if manufacturers raised the average fuel
> mileage of
> the majority of vehicles being sold, it would make much more impact
> on
> pollution and mileage than building super high-efficiency vehicles
> that
> would end up being only a small percentage of the cars on the road.
 
I agree totally with you on this, as long as the cars are safe, confortable,
and reliable.
 
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#1556 From: Ryan McMullan <mcmullan@...>
Date: Mon May 6, 2002 7:45 pm
Subject: Re: what's so special about the Prius? 		mcmullan@...
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I recently got a Prius and have been very happy with it with
regards to performance and handling, as well as fuel economy and reduced
environmental impact.

At 07:19 AM 5/2/02 -0500, you wrote:
>So, does a conventional engine that gets 50+ miles to the gallon produce
>more pollutants than a hybrid engine that gets 50+ miles to the gallon?
>
>In other words, how much difference does how the fuel gets burned make?

One advantage to the design of the Prius is that it has an electric motor
with two sources of electricity (the battery and the gas engine).  This
makes it well posed to take advantage of future advances (such as fuel
cells) to play the role of the gas engine as a generator.  It's just smart
in terms of long-term planning for the technology.


> > - The Prius accommodates 4 or 5 adults, it could be used by a family of
> > 5. They now can make SUVs and full size sedans with the same technology
> > (once the field test with the Prius is finished) and give us the
> > opportunity to enjoy a non-polluting, and gas $saving, big family car.
> > - Have you driven one? is a totally different car experience.
> > - The Honda hybrid (2 seater) gives 70-75 miles per gallon.
> > - This are just the 2 first two cars, wait until they improve the
> > technology.
>
>Point taken...although if manufacturers raised the average fuel mileage of
>the majority of vehicles being sold, it would make much more impact on
>pollution and mileage than building super high-efficiency vehicles that
>would end up being only a small percentage of the cars on the road.

The Prius is heavier than a Corolla and so does not have the same fears of
"lightweighting" and safety that some folks claim when talking about fuel
economy.  It's an excellent example of a car that is safe, effective,
easy-to-use, and fun to drive.  It also has many features that could be
applied to any car, such as cabin insulation and glass that reflects both
infrared and ultraviolet light.  Both of these features reduce the heat
load and allow them to use a smaller, more efficient air conditioning
system.  I had high expectations for the vehicle and have been pleasantly
surprised on just about everything.

Ryan

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#1557 From: Ryan McMullan <mcmullan@...>
Date: Thu May 9, 2002 2:32 pm
Subject: KRBE Earth Day 		mcmullan@...
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Hello all,

	 I was just wondering how the KRBE Earth Day event worked out.  Did a good
number of people come by?  Have they announced the winners of the booth
contest?  How much money did they share with HREG?  Sorry I couldn't be there.

Ryan

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#1558 From: James Ferrill <jtferr@...>
Date: Sat May 11, 2002 6:15 pm
Subject: HREG Meeting minutes for April 28th, 2002 		jtferr
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HREG Meeting minutes for April 28th, 2002

Location: Greg and Kathleen Carrier's house under construction in Bellaire TX.

Attendees: Mike Ewert, Oral LaFleur, James Ferrill, Charles Mauch, David
Sawchak, Laverne Williams, Bill Derebery, John Gardner, Karen McPhail,
Robert Johnston, Mark Johnson, and our hosts Greg and Kathleen Carrier. I
hope I got all the names right :-)

Our hosts, Greg and Kathleen Carrier, are building an energy-efficient,
2-story house in Bellaire TX. Kathleen Carrier is an architect, and
designed the plans for their home. The house is mostly complete, and
sheetrock work was just beginning.

After most people had arrived, we briefly looked through the house and then
went upstairs. Greg and Kathleen gave us an overview of the energy-saving
features of the house, namely thick walls and insulation, skin venting,
passive-solar design, geothermal heating/cooling, solar domestic hot water
and pool heater, and solar power generated by solar panels. David Sawchak
with Morningstar Enterprises is the contractor for the solar energy systems
and he also gave details about the solar hot water, pool heating, and
electrical systems. We then went out into the back yard to see the solar
panels and other features on the roof.

The walls of the house are framed with 2x6, which allows more insulation in
the walls. Skin venting is a technique where an air gap is maintained from
the base of the wall all the way up to a ridge vent at the apex of the
roof. In this particular home, a layer of foil-backed plywood seals the
outside framing, with a wood strip to maintain the air gap between it and
the outside wall. Stone is used for the outside wall face, and has small
vents to allow intake air to enter at the base.

The passive solar features of the house include a south-facing roof section
with appropriate overhangs on the roof to block sun in the summer and allow
it in the winter. There are plenty of high-efficiency windows, which are
placed to allow cross-ventilation without using any power assist.

Heating and cooling are provided by heat pumps which are thermally sinked
by pipes running through a number of geothermal wells sunk in the back
yard. The heat pumps are multi-stage, with a small unit to maintain
temperature, and a larger unit to move larger quantities of heat to reach a
certain temperature.

Hot water is provided by two panels on the roof connected to a drain-back
heating reservoir. This means that when the panels are not hot enough to
provide any heating, the water is allowed to drain back into the reservoir.
This also protects the panels from freezing in winter. An on-demand water
heater is fed with preheated water from the reservoir, leading to further
energy savings.

An array of black panels and plastic piping is used to provide heat for the
pool. The normal pool pump is used in this configuration, with flow being
diverted to the array for heating when needed.

Solar power is generated by an array of panels on the roof. The power is
fed from the panels to combiner boxes in the attic, where the 12 volts from
the panels are combined to make 48 volts. The power is stored in batteries
located in a small battery shed on the back of the house. On the other side
of the wall are 2 Trace inverters, which convert the battery power to
standard wall current. The inverters are connected to a subpanel which
powers critical loads only, not the entire house.

HREG would like to thank both Greg and Kathleen for their hospitality in
sharing their home. Besides the energy-saving features of their home, it is
a beautiful place and I'm sure they are both looking forward to moving in
later this year :-)

The meeting concluded around 4:15 pm.

James Ferrill

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#1559 From: James Ferrill <jtferr@...>
Date: Sat May 11, 2002 6:03 pm
Subject: HREG Budget Report as of 05/01/02 		jtferr
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HREG Budget Report as of 05/01/02:

09/01/99 Earth Day 1999 Prize                         +500.00
09/01/99 Earth Day 1999 expenses (bubble machine)      -25.00

03/20/00 CEC membership                                -50.00
04/06/00 Solar go-cart materials for Seabrook         -232.47
05/04/00 Earth Day 2000 Prize                         +250.00

04/28/01 Solar go-cart materials (Mike Ewert)          -55.37
11/16/01 PO Box 6-month rental (Mike Ewert)            -50.00
11/16/01 Watts Up meter purchase (Mike Ewert)         -110.00
11/16/01 Earth on Edge video (Mike Ewert)              -35.00
11/16/01 Watts Up rental (Mike Ewert)                  +10.00

01/27/02 Watts Up rental (Oral Lafleur)                +20.00
01/27/02 $25 Gift certificate for Russel Smith         -25.00

04/13/02 Table rental @ Rice Earth Day                 -12.00
                                                      ---------
Balance                                               $185.16

James Ferrill

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#1560 From: "Mike Ewert" <mike.ewert@...>
Date: Mon May 13, 2002 3:36 am
Subject: RE: KRBE Earth Day 		mkewert
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It was good.  I hope to have some of Oral's pictures up on our website soon.
I don't know about the winners or who got any money.  Charlie, can you check
with KRBE before they forget?
-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan McMullan [mailto:mcmullan@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 9:32 AM
To: hreg@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [hreg] KRBE Earth Day


	 Hello all,

	 I was just wondering how the KRBE Earth Day event worked out.  Did a good
number of people come by?  Have they announced the winners of the booth
contest?  How much money did they share with HREG?  Sorry I couldn't be
there.

Ryan





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#1561 From: "Lafleur, Oral" <lafleur_ox@...>
Date: Mon May 13, 2002 5:03 pm
Subject: Oral's Departure 		lafleur_ox@...
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By now, I know that some of you are aware of the departure of my family and
I from Houston.   For those of you who do not know, I will be moving to the
Bahamas during the month of June 2002.  I would be lying if I did not admit
that I am excited by the prospect of moving back home to the Bahamas and
starting something that I have worked toward for a long time.  Nevertheless,
to me, this departure is like leaving your family: something you have to do,
but something that is not any easier for having to do it.  The pleasure I
took in being the president of HREG has never flagged nor will it ever leave
me.  Thanks to all, HREG have come a long way in a short time, even though
there is still a lot more grounds to cover.

HREG's April meeting was the last for me as president of HREG and I humbly
resign.  Beginning immediately, Mike Ewert will act as president of HREG
until an election is called.

The last day of work for me at TSU will be May 31 and we will depart Houston
on June 29, 2002.  It has certainly been a pleasure working with all of HREG
members and a sincere thank you is expressed.  Please know that I leave you
having learned much from each of you and having drawn strength and
inspiration from unfailing support.  For the curious minds, I will continue
to be involved in the renewable energy business and intend to lecture at the
College of the Bahamas with employment at the Bahamas Port Authority as
another option.

Within a few days, I will post my Bahamian address and other contact
information for those who wish to keep in touch with me and in case anyone
wants to visit the Bahamas and not be a tourist.  Remember, you will always
have a friend in me.  In the main time, my home email address is
Olafleur@...


Oral LaFleur

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#1562 From: "Steven M. Stelzer" <stelman@...>
Date: Mon May 13, 2002 5:19 pm
Subject: RE: Oral's Departure 		stelman@...
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Oral:  Wow!  Good luck to you and your family.  It was a pleasure to work
with you on HREG, and thanks again for the PV for West U Elementary.  (By
the way, could I get another one?)  Who is going to take over the Lab at
TSU?

Steve Stelzer

-----Original Message-----
From: Lafleur, Oral [mailto:lafleur_ox@...]
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 12:04 PM
To: hreg@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [hreg] Oral's Departure


By now, I know that some of you are aware of the departure of my family and
I from Houston.   For those of you who do not know, I will be moving to the
Bahamas during the month of June 2002.  I would be lying if I did not admit
that I am excited by the prospect of moving back home to the Bahamas and
starting something that I have worked toward for a long time.  Nevertheless,
to me, this departure is like leaving your family: something you have to do,
but something that is not any easier for having to do it.  The pleasure I
took in being the president of HREG has never flagged nor will it ever leave
me.  Thanks to all, HREG have come a long way in a short time, even though
there is still a lot more grounds to cover.

HREG's April meeting was the last for me as president of HREG and I humbly
resign.  Beginning immediately, Mike Ewert will act as president of HREG
until an election is called.

The last day of work for me at TSU will be May 31 and we will depart Houston
on June 29, 2002.  It has certainly been a pleasure working with all of HREG
members and a sincere thank you is expressed.  Please know that I leave you
having learned much from each of you and having drawn strength and
inspiration from unfailing support.  For the curious minds, I will continue
to be involved in the renewable energy business and intend to lecture at the
College of the Bahamas with employment at the Bahamas Port Authority as
another option.

Within a few days, I will post my Bahamian address and other contact
information for those who wish to keep in touch with me and in case anyone
wants to visit the Bahamas and not be a tourist.  Remember, you will always
have a friend in me.  In the main time, my home email address is
Olafleur@...


Oral LaFleur





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