I have put a series of pictures from the last few months at

http://mtnrnr.smugmug.com/gallery/4693533_wWN7e#277623822

Thought this might give a small what the snow pack looks like in the
high San Juans. There are some shots looking into Wasatch Basin, at
the Virginius Pass Ridge and at Handies Peak.

Now as a lowland foreigner I look at those pics and
think no way will all that melt in time.

Awesome shots, by the way. Thanks for sharing.
Cheers, Andy


--- johncappis <cappis@...> wrote:

> I have put a series of pictures from the last few
> months at
>
>
http://mtnrnr.smugmug.com/gallery/4693533_wWN7e#277623822
>
> Thought this might give a small what the snow pack
> looks like in the
> high San Juans. There are some shots looking into
> Wasatch Basin, at
> the Virginius Pass Ridge and at Handies Peak.
>
>
>
>



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I seem to remember 2005 having a "lot" of snow when we first got out there 2
weeks before, then by race day we were inundated with flowers. Check out my
pictures from that year
http://sports.webshots.com/album/395026752eoJBcN?start=0
These are pictures taken during the course marking, then again during the
race two weeks later....check out the difference.

John, great shots....thanks! You are very lucky to be living in that
beautiful wilderness!

See you all in June! (I'm an optimist)
Steve


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Hardrockers,

        I have been fielding some e-mails about the snow levels on the course
and whether or not we will be canceling this years Hardrock. Traditionally, we
have looked at the snow levels, rate of snow melt, etc around Memorial Day and
make a decision. This year we will be getting together a week earlier (5/18)
to look at everything.
Stay Tuned!
Dale

P.S. From the accu-window weather station out Lois MacKenzie's window in
Silverton.... she can actually see rocks poking through the snow!

Greetings Hardrockers,

Below is the snow report as of the last day of April, 08 for
Silverton.  As you can see, snowfall let up in April.  The spring
melt is not yet in force but all the models indicate a warm spring
with below average precipitation from now until Hardrock.  You can
see a graph of the Mineral Creek snowload at:
http://tinyurl.com/62a4zo
The Durango Herald maintains a snow report averaging the San Juan
Basin at:  http://durangoherald.com/index_weather.asp

I'm looking forward to getting up to the high country.


	 Unofficial Seasonal Snowfall in Inches
	 Silverton, CO, Elevation 9320
Year    Dec1    Jan1    Feb1    Mar1    Apr1    May1    Jun1
91-92 51.75 66.25 76.25 91.25 124.75 131.25 131.25
92-93 39.5 64 140 228 249 265 272.5
93-94 22 34 44.5 80 89 128.5 130.5
94-95 71 85.5 115 147 207.5 224 242.5
95-96 21 34 77 105.5 121 133 133
96-97 48.5 78 132.5 153 160 178 179
97-98 30 49 71.5 84.5 125 144.5 150
98-99 46.1 62 89.6 102.4 114.2 159 190.4
99-00 3.0 18.1 42.5 83.2 152.4 165.5 165.5
00-01 32.8 51.5 79.4 114.0 137.3 169.3 184.6
01-02 20.4 42.5 48.2 66.4 72.5 75.7 75.7
02-03 46.7 65.2 86.4 110.6 128.6 138.9 142.7
03-04 31 60 95.9 140.9 154.6 183.2 185.6
04-05 34.7 45.3 114.9 153.6 177.6 194.7 196.2
05-06 17.7 30.6 41.6 65.5 114.4 missing missing
06-07 51.9 71.5 84.9 107.5 123.1 147.8 162.4

Past years'
averages = 35.5 53.6 83.8 114.6 140.7 162.6 169.5
07-08 17.7 78.2 166.9 209.3 221 232.8

Charlie Thorn
thorn@...
thorncha@...

I am wondering what shoes to wear for Hardrock this year.  There is
more snow than usual, meaning more than usual water crossings.  I would
like a shoe that dries quickly but grips well on steep snow and mud.

My last two attempts were DNFs.  In 2006 I wore some 7 oz. Nike Zoom
racing flats without socks.  These were well worn so that the bottoms
were smooth.  This was not too much of a problem because it was a dry
year.  However, I did not finish the course.  For those familiar with
the area, I made it to the Silverton ski hut when I heard the town
clock strike 6 signaling that my 48 hours were up.

In 2007 there was average snow and we ran counterclockwise.  I wore
Walsh PB trainers ordered from the UK.  These are heavier (about 10 oz
dry) and have an excellent grip due to a grid of monster spikes on the
bottom.  However they don't drain well so they are heavy when wet.
Anyway, I did slightly better than last year, making it to the corner
of Snowdon and 11'th St (behind the Silverton library) before time was
up.

I think there is room for improvement.  We will be going clockwise this
year.  They normally set up an outdoor "living room" under a canopy
with a sofa, lamp, table, etc. for runners to lounge in.  Usually it is
about 20 feet before the Hardrock.  I would like to make it at least
that far.

Anyway I looked at the PB racers but the new racers are about the same
weight as the old trainers (progress, I guess).  So instead I ordered
some Vibram Five Fingers KSO (nfi).  I got them yesterday and did a 3
mile test run on a mix of flat roads and grass.  They felt good,
although my calves got a better than usual workout.  It isn't exactly
like Hardrock terrain, but I live in Florida so it is the best I can
do.

Anyway the KSOs are really light, about 5 oz. with a thin mesh upper
that ought to dry quickly.  The sole is contoured to fit the foot,
including a pocket for each toe so they can move independently.  It
varies in thickness.  The thickest areas (about 1/8 inch or 3 mm) are
around the heel and ball of the foot. I like the flexibility.  You can
roll the shoes up into a ball and put them in your pockets.

In my test run, I really get a good feel for the ground.  There is an
obvious difference between smooth and rough pavement.  So I know I will
feel every pebble.  It does not have an aggressive tread so I wondered
about steep snow.  On the Huaraches list someone said you could dig
your toes into the snow so it wasn't a problem.  Also, I believe some
rock climbers use them.  The traction comes from fitting your foot to
the ground, which you can't do in a stiff soled shoe.

I plan to do some longer test runs first (Wickham Park) before I
decide. But has anyone run on mountain terrain in these shoes?  I know
Barefoot Ted ran Angeles Crest in a slightly different model of
FiveFingers and said the only slippery areas were sloping granite slabs
with gravel on top.


-- Matt Mahoney, matmahoney@...

As far a Five Fingers in snow goes, I tried to do ski hill repeats in
a pair this winter. Traction was pretty good up the slopes but my toes
froze pretty quickly.  Very painful, wouldn't recommend it.

Tom

On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 4:42 PM, Matt Mahoney <matmahoney@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I am wondering what shoes to wear for Hardrock this year. There is
>  more snow than usual, meaning more than usual water crossings. I would
>  like a shoe that dries quickly but grips well on steep snow and mud.
>
>  My last two attempts were DNFs. In 2006 I wore some 7 oz. Nike Zoom
>  racing flats without socks. These were well worn so that the bottoms
>  were smooth. This was not too much of a problem because it was a dry
>  year. However, I did not finish the course. For those familiar with
>  the area, I made it to the Silverton ski hut when I heard the town
>  clock strike 6 signaling that my 48 hours were up.
>
>  In 2007 there was average snow and we ran counterclockwise. I wore
>  Walsh PB trainers ordered from the UK. These are heavier (about 10 oz
>  dry) and have an excellent grip due to a grid of monster spikes on the
>  bottom. However they don't drain well so they are heavy when wet.
>  Anyway, I did slightly better than last year, making it to the corner
>  of Snowdon and 11'th St (behind the Silverton library) before time was
>  up.
>
>  I think there is room for improvement. We will be going clockwise this
>  year. They normally set up an outdoor "living room" under a canopy
>  with a sofa, lamp, table, etc. for runners to lounge in. Usually it is
>  about 20 feet before the Hardrock. I would like to make it at least
>  that far.
>
>  Anyway I looked at the PB racers but the new racers are about the same
>  weight as the old trainers (progress, I guess). So instead I ordered
>  some Vibram Five Fingers KSO (nfi). I got them yesterday and did a 3
>  mile test run on a mix of flat roads and grass. They felt good,
>  although my calves got a better than usual workout. It isn't exactly
>  like Hardrock terrain, but I live in Florida so it is the best I can
>  do.
>
>  Anyway the KSOs are really light, about 5 oz. with a thin mesh upper
>  that ought to dry quickly. The sole is contoured to fit the foot,
>  including a pocket for each toe so they can move independently. It
>  varies in thickness. The thickest areas (about 1/8 inch or 3 mm) are
>  around the heel and ball of the foot. I like the flexibility. You can
>  roll the shoes up into a ball and put them in your pockets.
>
>  In my test run, I really get a good feel for the ground. There is an
>  obvious difference between smooth and rough pavement. So I know I will
>  feel every pebble. It does not have an aggressive tread so I wondered
>  about steep snow. On the Huaraches list someone said you could dig
>  your toes into the snow so it wasn't a problem. Also, I believe some
>  rock climbers use them. The traction comes from fitting your foot to
>  the ground, which you can't do in a stiff soled shoe.
>
>  I plan to do some longer test runs first (Wickham Park) before I
>  decide. But has anyone run on mountain terrain in these shoes? I know
>  Barefoot Ted ran Angeles Crest in a slightly different model of
>  FiveFingers and said the only slippery areas were sloping granite slabs
>  with gravel on top.
>
>  -- Matt Mahoney, matmahoney@...
>



--
Tom Stockton
(505) 660-8591

Yeah, maybe I should get the Flows.  They are designed for colder
weather.

--- Tom Stockton <tbstockton@...> wrote:

> As far a Five Fingers in snow goes, I tried to do ski hill repeats in
> a pair this winter. Traction was pretty good up the slopes but my
> toes
> froze pretty quickly.  Very painful, wouldn't recommend it.
>
> Tom
>
> On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 4:42 PM, Matt Mahoney <matmahoney@...>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I am wondering what shoes to wear for Hardrock this year. There is
> >  more snow than usual, meaning more than usual water crossings. I
> would
> >  like a shoe that dries quickly but grips well on steep snow and
> mud.
> >
> >  My last two attempts were DNFs. In 2006 I wore some 7 oz. Nike
> Zoom
> >  racing flats without socks. These were well worn so that the
> bottoms
> >  were smooth. This was not too much of a problem because it was a
> dry
> >  year. However, I did not finish the course. For those familiar
> with
> >  the area, I made it to the Silverton ski hut when I heard the town
> >  clock strike 6 signaling that my 48 hours were up.
> >
> >  In 2007 there was average snow and we ran counterclockwise. I wore
> >  Walsh PB trainers ordered from the UK. These are heavier (about 10
> oz
> >  dry) and have an excellent grip due to a grid of monster spikes on
> the
> >  bottom. However they don't drain well so they are heavy when wet.
> >  Anyway, I did slightly better than last year, making it to the
> corner
> >  of Snowdon and 11'th St (behind the Silverton library) before time
> was
> >  up.
> >
> >  I think there is room for improvement. We will be going clockwise
> this
> >  year. They normally set up an outdoor "living room" under a canopy
> >  with a sofa, lamp, table, etc. for runners to lounge in. Usually
> it is
> >  about 20 feet before the Hardrock. I would like to make it at
> least
> >  that far.
> >
> >  Anyway I looked at the PB racers but the new racers are about the
> same
> >  weight as the old trainers (progress, I guess). So instead I
> ordered
> >  some Vibram Five Fingers KSO (nfi). I got them yesterday and did a
> 3
> >  mile test run on a mix of flat roads and grass. They felt good,
> >  although my calves got a better than usual workout. It isn't
> exactly
> >  like Hardrock terrain, but I live in Florida so it is the best I
> can
> >  do.
> >
> >  Anyway the KSOs are really light, about 5 oz. with a thin mesh
> upper
> >  that ought to dry quickly. The sole is contoured to fit the foot,
> >  including a pocket for each toe so they can move independently. It
> >  varies in thickness. The thickest areas (about 1/8 inch or 3 mm)
> are
> >  around the heel and ball of the foot. I like the flexibility. You
> can
> >  roll the shoes up into a ball and put them in your pockets.
> >
> >  In my test run, I really get a good feel for the ground. There is
> an
> >  obvious difference between smooth and rough pavement. So I know I
> will
> >  feel every pebble. It does not have an aggressive tread so I
> wondered
> >  about steep snow. On the Huaraches list someone said you could dig
> >  your toes into the snow so it wasn't a problem. Also, I believe
> some
> >  rock climbers use them. The traction comes from fitting your foot
> to
> >  the ground, which you can't do in a stiff soled shoe.
> >
> >  I plan to do some longer test runs first (Wickham Park) before I
> >  decide. But has anyone run on mountain terrain in these shoes? I
> know
> >  Barefoot Ted ran Angeles Crest in a slightly different model of
> >  FiveFingers and said the only slippery areas were sloping granite
> slabs
> >  with gravel on top.
> >
> >  -- Matt Mahoney, matmahoney@...
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Tom Stockton
> (505) 660-8591
>
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-- Matt Mahoney, matmahoney@...

Matt, I can't believe the weight you would spare would be worth the risk
involved in wearing these shoes on HR100 terrain. There are easier ways to go
faster, like letting someone else take all the pictures. I think the 5 fingers
are best left on the beach. I'll be running in Montrails again this year, hoping
for 4 straight finishes.

Chris
Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Mahoney <matmahoney@...>

Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 14:42:25
To:Ultralist <ultra@...>,       Hardrock100
<hr100@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [hr100] Shoes for Hardrock?


I am wondering what shoes to wear for Hardrock this year. There is
  more snow than usual, meaning more than usual water crossings. I would
  like a shoe that dries quickly but grips well on steep snow and mud.

  My last two attempts were DNFs. In 2006 I wore some 7 oz. Nike Zoom
  racing flats without socks. These were well worn so that the bottoms
  were smooth. This was not too much of a problem because it was a dry
  year. However, I did not finish the course. For those familiar with
  the area, I made it to the Silverton ski hut when I heard the town
  clock strike 6 signaling that my 48 hours were up.

  In 2007 there was average snow and we ran counterclockwise. I wore
  Walsh PB trainers ordered from the UK. These are heavier (about 10 oz
  dry) and have an excellent grip due to a grid of monster spikes on the
  bottom. However they don't drain well so they are heavy when wet.
  Anyway, I did slightly better than last year, making it to the corner
  of Snowdon and 11'th St (behind the Silverton library) before time was
  up.

  I think there is room for improvement. We will be going clockwise this
  year. They normally set up an outdoor "living room" under a canopy
  with a sofa, lamp, table, etc. for runners to lounge in. Usually it is
  about 20 feet before the Hardrock. I would like to make it at least
  that far.

  Anyway I looked at the PB racers but the new racers are about the same
  weight as the old trainers (progress, I guess). So instead I ordered
  some Vibram Five Fingers KSO (nfi). I got them yesterday and did a 3
  mile test run on a mix of flat roads and grass. They felt good,
  although my calves got a better than usual workout. It isn't exactly
  like Hardrock terrain, but I live in Florida so it is the best I can
  do.

  Anyway the KSOs are really light, about 5 oz. with a thin mesh upper
  that ought to dry quickly. The sole is contoured to fit the foot,
  including a pocket for each toe so they can move independently. It
  varies in thickness. The thickest areas (about 1/8 inch or 3 mm) are
  around the heel and ball of the foot. I like the flexibility. You can
  roll the shoes up into a ball and put them in your pockets.

  In my test run, I really get a good feel for the ground. There is an
  obvious difference between smooth and rough pavement. So I know I will
  feel every pebble. It does not have an aggressive tread so I wondered
  about steep snow. On the Huaraches list someone said you could dig
  your toes into the snow so it wasn't a problem. Also, I believe some
  rock climbers use them. The traction comes from fitting your foot to
  the ground, which you can't do in a stiff soled shoe.

  I plan to do some longer test runs first (Wickham Park) before I
  decide. But has anyone run on mountain terrain in these shoes? I know
  Barefoot Ted ran Angeles Crest in a slightly different model of
  FiveFingers and said the only slippery areas were sloping granite slabs
  with gravel on top.

  -- Matt Mahoney, matmahoney@yahoo. <mailto:matmahoney%40yahoo.com> com

--- Twiggsc@... wrote:

> Matt, I can't believe the weight you would spare would be worth the
> risk involved in wearing these shoes on HR100 terrain. There are
> easier ways to go faster, like letting someone else take all the
> pictures. I think the 5 fingers are best left on the beach. I'll be
> running in Montrails again this year, hoping for 4 straight finishes.

Well, I haven't decided yet.  I normally run barefoot on the beach.

>
>
> Chris
> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matt Mahoney <matmahoney@...>
>
> Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 14:42:25
> To:Ultralist <ultra@...>,       Hardrock100
> <hr100@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [hr100] Shoes for Hardrock?
>
>
> I am wondering what shoes to wear for Hardrock this year. There is
>  more snow than usual, meaning more than usual water crossings. I
> would
>  like a shoe that dries quickly but grips well on steep snow and mud.
>
>  My last two attempts were DNFs. In 2006 I wore some 7 oz. Nike Zoom
>  racing flats without socks. These were well worn so that the bottoms
>  were smooth. This was not too much of a problem because it was a dry
>  year. However, I did not finish the course. For those familiar with
>  the area, I made it to the Silverton ski hut when I heard the town
>  clock strike 6 signaling that my 48 hours were up.
>
>  In 2007 there was average snow and we ran counterclockwise. I wore
>  Walsh PB trainers ordered from the UK. These are heavier (about 10
> oz
>  dry) and have an excellent grip due to a grid of monster spikes on
> the
>  bottom. However they don't drain well so they are heavy when wet.
>  Anyway, I did slightly better than last year, making it to the
> corner
>  of Snowdon and 11'th St (behind the Silverton library) before time
> was
>  up.
>
>  I think there is room for improvement. We will be going clockwise
> this
>  year. They normally set up an outdoor "living room" under a canopy
>  with a sofa, lamp, table, etc. for runners to lounge in. Usually it
> is
>  about 20 feet before the Hardrock. I would like to make it at least
>  that far.
>
>  Anyway I looked at the PB racers but the new racers are about the
> same
>  weight as the old trainers (progress, I guess). So instead I ordered
>  some Vibram Five Fingers KSO (nfi). I got them yesterday and did a 3
>  mile test run on a mix of flat roads and grass. They felt good,
>  although my calves got a better than usual workout. It isn't exactly
>  like Hardrock terrain, but I live in Florida so it is the best I can
>  do.
>
>  Anyway the KSOs are really light, about 5 oz. with a thin mesh upper
>  that ought to dry quickly. The sole is contoured to fit the foot,
>  including a pocket for each toe so they can move independently. It
>  varies in thickness. The thickest areas (about 1/8 inch or 3 mm) are
>  around the heel and ball of the foot. I like the flexibility. You
> can
>  roll the shoes up into a ball and put them in your pockets.
>
>  In my test run, I really get a good feel for the ground. There is an
>  obvious difference between smooth and rough pavement. So I know I
> will
>  feel every pebble. It does not have an aggressive tread so I
> wondered
>  about steep snow. On the Huaraches list someone said you could dig
>  your toes into the snow so it wasn't a problem. Also, I believe some
>  rock climbers use them. The traction comes from fitting your foot to
>  the ground, which you can't do in a stiff soled shoe.
>
>  I plan to do some longer test runs first (Wickham Park) before I
>  decide. But has anyone run on mountain terrain in these shoes? I
> know
>  Barefoot Ted ran Angeles Crest in a slightly different model of
>  FiveFingers and said the only slippery areas were sloping granite
> slabs
>  with gravel on top.
>
>  -- Matt Mahoney, matmahoney@yahoo. <mailto:matmahoney%40yahoo.com>
> com
>
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-- Matt Mahoney, matmahoney@...

hi matt

i second twiggy's response that there's probably
better ways to shave ounces but i know you like those
super light shoes and you gotta go with what you like
so....

if you're willing to go a little heavier i love my
invo8 305's i've never had a better shoe but for you
it's pretty heavy at 10.76 oz. invo8 has a bunch of
other shoes even lighter all the way down to 8+ oz and
they all have plenty of traction for hardrock.

and i know 2 young trail speedsters who love their new
balance 790's whiich i think weigh 7 oz.  so if those
shoes are lite enough of skaggs and krupicka they
could be lite enough for you.

have fun and see ya in s-town!

james
--- Matt Mahoney <matmahoney@...> wrote:

> I am wondering what shoes to wear for Hardrock this
> year.  There is
> more snow than usual, meaning more than usual water
> crossings.  I would
> like a shoe that dries quickly but grips well on
> steep snow and mud.
>
> My last two attempts were DNFs.  In 2006 I wore some
> 7 oz. Nike Zoom
> racing flats without socks.  These were well worn so
> that the bottoms
> were smooth.  This was not too much of a problem
> because it was a dry
> year.  However, I did not finish the course.  For
> those familiar with
> the area, I made it to the Silverton ski hut when I
> heard the town
> clock strike 6 signaling that my 48 hours were up.
>
> In 2007 there was average snow and we ran
> counterclockwise.  I wore
> Walsh PB trainers ordered from the UK.  These are
> heavier (about 10 oz
> dry) and have an excellent grip due to a grid of
> monster spikes on the
> bottom.  However they don't drain well so they are
> heavy when wet.
> Anyway, I did slightly better than last year, making
> it to the corner
> of Snowdon and 11'th St (behind the Silverton
> library) before time was
> up.
>
> I think there is room for improvement.  We will be
> going clockwise this
> year.  They normally set up an outdoor "living room"
> under a canopy
> with a sofa, lamp, table, etc. for runners to lounge
> in.  Usually it is
> about 20 feet before the Hardrock.  I would like to
> make it at least
> that far.
>
> Anyway I looked at the PB racers but the new racers
> are about the same
> weight as the old trainers (progress, I guess).  So
> instead I ordered
> some Vibram Five Fingers KSO (nfi).  I got them
> yesterday and did a 3
> mile test run on a mix of flat roads and grass.
> They felt good,
> although my calves got a better than usual workout.
> It isn't exactly
> like Hardrock terrain, but I live in Florida so it
> is the best I can
> do.
>
> Anyway the KSOs are really light, about 5 oz. with a
> thin mesh upper
> that ought to dry quickly.  The sole is contoured to
> fit the foot,
> including a pocket for each toe so they can move
> independently.  It
> varies in thickness.  The thickest areas (about 1/8
> inch or 3 mm) are
> around the heel and ball of the foot. I like the
> flexibility.  You can
> roll the shoes up into a ball and put them in your
> pockets.
>
> In my test run, I really get a good feel for the
> ground.  There is an
> obvious difference between smooth and rough
> pavement.  So I know I will
> feel every pebble.  It does not have an aggressive
> tread so I wondered
> about steep snow.  On the Huaraches list someone
> said you could dig
> your toes into the snow so it wasn't a problem.
> Also, I believe some
> rock climbers use them.  The traction comes from
> fitting your foot to
> the ground, which you can't do in a stiff soled
> shoe.
>
> I plan to do some longer test runs first (Wickham
> Park) before I
> decide. But has anyone run on mountain terrain in
> these shoes?  I know
> Barefoot Ted ran Angeles Crest in a slightly
> different model of
> FiveFingers and said the only slippery areas were
> sloping granite slabs
> with gravel on top.
>
>
> -- Matt Mahoney, matmahoney@...
>



      
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I am working on trying to schedule work with the Colorado Fourteener's
Initiative Group and/or the BLM for the week end of July 5-6. Work
with CFI would be on Handies. The BLM has some things they want to do
in the Redcloud area similar to what was done in 2007.  The amount of
work to be done up high will be highly dependent on snow melt, so we
may not know where work will be done until mid or late June. For
planning, assume 15 people on Handies and 15 with BLM.  I am also
working with the Ouray Trails group to see if we can do some work on
the Ouray Bear Creek Trail one or two other days.  If you are
interested in working please let me know, indicating preferences of
where you would like to work.  As per past practices, extra tickets
for the 2009 drawing will be given for trail work, normally one ticket
for two days work.

John,

I'd like to work on July 5 and 6.  I'd prefer Handies but open to
where ever you need people.

Thanks!

Tom Stockton
505.660.8591

On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 12:20 PM, johncappis <cappis@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I am working on trying to schedule work with the Colorado Fourteener's
>  Initiative Group and/or the BLM for the week end of July 5-6. Work
>  with CFI would be on Handies. The BLM has some things they want to do
>  in the Redcloud area similar to what was done in 2007. The amount of
>  work to be done up high will be highly dependent on snow melt, so we
>  may not know where work will be done until mid or late June. For
>  planning, assume 15 people on Handies and 15 with BLM. I am also
>  working with the Ouray Trails group to see if we can do some work on
>  the Ouray Bear Creek Trail one or two other days. If you are
>  interested in working please let me know, indicating preferences of
>  where you would like to work. As per past practices, extra tickets
>  for the 2009 drawing will be given for trail work, normally one ticket
>  for two days work.
>
>



--
Tom Stockton
(505) 660-8591

Hi John

If we can make it, we will do at least one of the days.

Will you guys be able to set up the aid station in Pole Creek this year??!!

johncappis wrote:
>
> I am working on trying to schedule work with the Colorado Fourteener's
> Initiative Group and/or the BLM for the week end of July 5-6. Work
> with CFI would be on Handies. The BLM has some things they want to do
> in the Redcloud area similar to what was done in 2007. The amount of
> work to be done up high will be highly dependent on snow melt, so we
> may not know where work will be done until mid or late June. For
> planning, assume 15 people on Handies and 15 with BLM. I am also
> working with the Ouray Trails group to see if we can do some work on
> the Ouray Bear Creek Trail one or two other days. If you are
> interested in working please let me know, indicating preferences of
> where you would like to work. As per past practices, extra tickets
> for the 2009 drawing will be given for trail work, normally one ticket
> for two days work.
>
>

Hey John,

Please count me in for trail work this year.  I'd prefer Handies, but
will work elsewhere if that's not available.  I'll be in Silverton
starting June 15th.  My cell is 415-425-0805, and email is fredx@...

Thanks a lot,

  - Fred Ecks
    (415) 425-0805

>
> On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 12:20 PM, johncappis <cappis@...
> <mailto:cappis%40bigfoot.com>> wrote:
> >
> > I am working on trying to schedule work with the Colorado Fourteener's
> > Initiative Group and/or the BLM for the week end of July 5-6. Work
> > with CFI would be on Handies. The BLM has some things they want to do
> > in the Redcloud area similar to what was done in 2007. The amount of
> > work to be done up high will be highly dependent on snow melt, so we
> > may not know where work will be done until mid or late June. For
> > planning, assume 15 people on Handies and 15 with BLM. I am also
> > working with the Ouray Trails group to see if we can do some work on
> > the Ouray Bear Creek Trail one or two other days. If you are
> > interested in working please let me know, indicating preferences of
> > where you would like to work. As per past practices, extra tickets
> > for the 2009 drawing will be given for trail work, normally one ticket
> > for two days work.


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Hey all,

I'm on the lookout for a pacer for this year's run.  I can't say for
sure that I'll be in (I'm #14 on the wait list), but it seems likely.
As this is my first Hardrock, I'm hoping to find someone familiar with
the course to help me keep it together late in the run.

I'm a "type B" runner whose goal is to enjoy a gorgeous weekend in the
high country.  I don't have a goal pace, other than to finish.

I'll be in Silverton starting June 15th, and would love to go play up
high in the weeks leading up to the run.  For a good time, call Fred at
415-425-0805.  :-)

Seeya,

  - Fred

I'm also looking for a pacer for hardrock.

I'm a hardrock first-timer, lucky enough to get in the race on my second
try! Looking to do well, but primarily focusing on finishing. Knowledge of
the course would be great, or someone who can tell great stories.

I'll be out in the area at the end of June. Don't really know anyone, so
looking possibly to room up or camp along side other runners. I'll be out
there by myself, and would definitely appreciate company.

Send me and email, or give me a call at 608-234-0600.

Thanks!

Kelly Patrick Korevec




On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Fred Ecks <fredx@...> wrote:

>   Hey all,
>
> I'm on the lookout for a pacer for this year's run. I can't say for
> sure that I'll be in (I'm #14 on the wait list), but it seems likely.
> As this is my first Hardrock, I'm hoping to find someone familiar with
> the course to help me keep it together late in the run.
>
> I'm a "type B" runner whose goal is to enjoy a gorgeous weekend in the
> high country. I don't have a goal pace, other than to finish.
>
> I'll be in Silverton starting June 15th, and would love to go play up
> high in the weeks leading up to the run. For a good time, call Fred at
> 415-425-0805. :-)
>
> Seeya,
>
> - Fred
>
>


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Just saw that they have the 2008 runners manual on the hardrock
website now.

Craig

That's a good sign that the run is on.


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I just watched the best skiing moving I have ever seen.  "Steep"  Rent it, buy
it. It is all about big mountain skiing.  First ascent of the Grand tetons. 
Alaska, Iceland, Chamonix,  Tons of great quotes and views.

like:

"Go to the moountains and get their good tidings.  We are mountain people, this
is what we do"


HITE


-----Original Message-----
>From: tkapres@...
>Sent: May 8, 2008 10:57 AM
>To: hr100@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [hr100] Re:HR 2008 runners manual on website
>
>That's a good sign that the run is on.
>
>
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>

Sorry, not to supposed to go to list.

Happy training.

-----Original Message-----
>From: bill losey <ultra100@...>
>Sent: May 8, 2008 11:03 AM
>To: hr100@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [hr100] Re:HR 2008 runners manual on website
>
>I just watched the best skiing moving I have ever seen.  "Steep"  Rent it, buy
it. It is all about big mountain skiing.  First ascent of the Grand tetons. 
Alaska, Iceland, Chamonix,  Tons of great quotes and views.
>
>like:
>
>"Go to the moountains and get their good tidings.  We are mountain people, this
is what we do"
>
>
>HITE
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: tkapres@...
>>Sent: May 8, 2008 10:57 AM
>>To: hr100@yahoogroups.com
>>Subject: [hr100] Re:HR 2008 runners manual on website
>>
>>That's a good sign that the run is on.
>>
>>
>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>

Hi Everybody,
       Today there was a light dusting of snow in Silverton. Currently, the
snowpack on the Hardrock course is still above the historical average for
other years.
       The Hardrock run committee will be meeting on May 18th. One of the items
we will be discussing is the snowpack and whether or not it will cause us to
cancel this years Hardrock.
Stay tuned,
Dale Garland
RD, Hardrock Hundred Endurance Run

Dale,
We have lots of extra sunshine in Florida right now. I'll pack up a big box and
send it right over.

Warm wishes,
Chris
Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

-----Original Message-----
From: "Dale Garland" <hardrock100@...>

Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 11:00:13
To:hr100@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [hr100] The state of the 2008 Run


Hi Everybody,
  Today there was a light dusting of snow in Silverton. Currently, the
  snowpack on the Hardrock course is still above the historical average for
  other years.
  The Hardrock run committee will be meeting on May 18th. One of the items
  we will be discussing is the snowpack and whether or not it will cause us to
  cancel this years Hardrock.
  Stay tuned,
  Dale Garland
  RD, Hardrock Hundred Endurance Run

I'll keep doing my sun dance the trouble is it only seems to be
affecting California.

Is the snow more of an issue with runner support and aid Station
access or is much of the course not runnable. I have a room booked in
silverton starting June 15 and was hoping to get on the course for
training. Any thought on having an alternate snow course

- Craig


On May 8, 2008, at 10:00 AM, "Dale Garland" <hardrock100@...>
wrote:

>
> Hi Everybody,
> Today there was a light dusting of snow in Silverton. Currently, the
> snowpack on the Hardrock course is still above the historical
> average for
> other years.
> The Hardrock run committee will be meeting on May 18th. One of the
> items
> we will be discussing is the snowpack and whether or not it will
> cause us to
> cancel this years Hardrock.
> Stay tuned,
> Dale Garland
> RD, Hardrock Hundred Endurance Run
>
>
>


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Written in the latest Silverton Standard are the words below written by
Freddie Canfield, which gives me some hope!

"Warming weather has blessed our realm in recent days. April ended with a
high one degree shy of 60. We have not been disappointed with the beginning
of May. Lows have been edging gradually higher, into the teens and 20's now
for over three weeks.
Even with one day's high below freezing and another day barely above,
overall we continue to thaw out.
Four days bettered 50 and on Monday we actually reached 60.8 and Tuesday
60.9. Also, winds decreased on Sunday and have only occasionally been brisk
on the days since.
Wildlife reports of both great and small species continue. Three of my good
friends encountered an equal number of elk while high altitude rock
scrambling. If any of you have stories of other non-migrating elk surviving
the winter, please share with me.
A very small species that requires our immediate assistance has returned.
Hummingbirds are back, so get out your feeders!
Last week, I sensed a change in the way the air smells. This week, I can
clearly detect a quality of sweetness. May sweetness find a place in all
aspects of our lives."

see you all in June!
Steve
--
http://ultrastevep.blogspot.com/


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Thanks Steve for the reassuring words. About to book
my international flights so although I am maintaining
confidence, positive messages like that really help.

Only 9 weeks to go!
Andy in Oz



--- Steve Pero <ultrastevep@...> wrote:

> Written in the latest Silverton Standard are the
> words below written by
> Freddie Canfield, which gives me some hope!
>
> "Warming weather has blessed our realm in recent
> days. April ended with a
> high one degree shy of 60. We have not been
> disappointed with the beginning
> of May. Lows have been edging gradually higher, into
> the teens and 20's now
> for over three weeks.
> Even with one day's high below freezing and another
> day barely above,
> overall we continue to thaw out.
> Four days bettered 50 and on Monday we actually
> reached 60.8 and Tuesday
> 60.9. Also, winds decreased on Sunday and have only
> occasionally been brisk
> on the days since.
> Wildlife reports of both great and small species
> continue. Three of my good
> friends encountered an equal number of elk while
> high altitude rock
> scrambling. If any of you have stories of other
> non-migrating elk surviving
> the winter, please share with me.
> A very small species that requires our immediate
> assistance has returned.
> Hummingbirds are back, so get out your feeders!
> Last week, I sensed a change in the way the air
> smells. This week, I can
> clearly detect a quality of sweetness. May sweetness
> find a place in all
> aspects of our lives."
>
> see you all in June!
> Steve
> --
> http://ultrastevep.blogspot.com/
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>



       Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address.
www.yahoo7.com.au/y7mail

Well, Andy....if you've waited this long, best to wait until after the
committee meets on May 18th. Deb's flight is already booked, but we'll
be coming out regardless of whether there's a run or not.

Hope to see you in a couple of months!
Steve

Andy Hewat wrote:
>
> Thanks Steve for the reassuring words. About to book
> my international flights so although I am maintaining
> confidence, positive messages like that really help.
>
> Only 9 weeks to go!
> Andy in Oz
>


--
http://ultrastevep.blogspot.com/



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Sending warm thoughts to Silverton :)

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Hello John,

   I would love to participate in the trail work the weekend of July 5Th and 6Th.
   My preference is Bear creek trail, but I would gladly work where ever I am
needed. Actually, If I could do two more days, where ever I am need, would be
great.

   Thank you very much for your consideration.

   Liz Bauer-Walker

johncappis <cappis@...> wrote:
           I am working on trying to schedule work with the Colorado Fourteener's
Initiative Group and/or the BLM for the week end of July 5-6. Work
with CFI would be on Handies. The BLM has some things they want to do
in the Redcloud area similar to what was done in 2007. The amount of
work to be done up high will be highly dependent on snow melt, so we
may not know where work will be done until mid or late June. For
planning, assume 15 people on Handies and 15 with BLM. I am also
working with the Ouray Trails group to see if we can do some work on
the Ouray Bear Creek Trail one or two other days. If you are
interested in working please let me know, indicating preferences of
where you would like to work. As per past practices, extra tickets
for the 2009 drawing will be given for trail work, normally one ticket
for two days work.







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HI JOHN,

I too would like to sign up for trail work on the July 5-6 weekend assuming HR
100 is still going ???
Any work on any trail is fine with me. Please let me know where I can work an
when.

Dave Goldberg






To: hr100@...: lizlovestorun@...: Sun, 18 May 2008
20:02:51 -0700Subject: Re: [hr100] Trail Work Sessions




Hello John,I would love to participate in the trail work the weekend of July 5Th
and 6Th.My preference is Bear creek trail, but I would gladly work where ever I
am needed. Actually, If I could do two more days, where ever I am need, would be
great.Thank you very much for your consideration. Liz Bauer-Walkerjohncappis
<cappis@...> wrote:I am working on trying to schedule work with the
Colorado Fourteener'sInitiative Group and/or the BLM for the week end of July
5-6. Workwith CFI would be on Handies. The BLM has some things they want to doin
the Redcloud area similar to what was done in 2007. The amount ofwork to be done
up high will be highly dependent on snow melt, so wemay not know where work will
be done until mid or late June. Forplanning, assume 15 people on Handies and 15
with BLM. I am alsoworking with the Ouray Trails group to see if we can do some
work onthe Ouray Bear Creek Trail one or two other days. If you areinterested in
working please let me know, indicating preferences ofwhere you would like to
work. As per past practices, extra ticketsfor the 2009 drawing will be given for
trail work, normally one ticketfor two days work. [Non-text portions of this
message have been removed]







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