Greetings Hardrockers!!
       The lottery for the 2005 Hardrock is drawing near! We will meet next
Sunday (2/6) to draw the field for the 2005 run.
       In order to be considered for this years run all entries should be
RECEIVED by Friday, Feb 4th. If you would like to know if your entry has been
received please go to our web site and check under "entries received"
       Also, we will select the artwork for the 2005 finishers print. If there
is something you have done that you would like considered please send us a
picture of your piece or a copy of it.
       All entries and artwork should be sent to P.O. 55, Silverton, CO 81433.

Talk to you all next weekend,

Dale Garland
RD, Hardrock Hundred Endurance Run

Well, sports fans....
It's almost here... that weekend that many of us look forward to all year. That
sporting event that eclipses most others.

Nail biting suspense.. will your favorites triumph?
Will the veterans prove the value of experience, or will the rookies get lucky?
Who will end up sitting on the bench and who will start?
Whose dreams will come to fruition, and whose will end in bitter disappointment?
Will the underdogs surprise us all?
These are just a few of the questions that this weekend holds.

Yep, this is the weekend that it all happens.
And, while you're waiting on the results of the Hardrock Lottery, might as well
watch a little  football.. You can probably catch a game Sunday.

good luck, everybody!!
Deb





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A list of the 215 entries we've received for the Hardrock Hundred as of 2/1/05
is posted at http://www.run100s.com/HR/2005%20Entries%20Received.pdf

Our selection meeting to choose the 125 starting slots will take place on
Sunday, February 6, with however many entries we have in hand.

We're probably close enough to the final numbers to look at people's chances of
getting in.  After allocating some slots for automatic acceptances (those who
have finished Hardrock three or more times in the past five years it's been
held), it looks like we'll be drawing in a weighted lottery to fill 90 slots
from a pool of about 190 applicants.  The algorithm for assigning how many
"tickets" each applicant has in the lottery is described at
http://www.run100s.com/HR/HRH-Entrants-2005.html.  It is the same algorithm as
was used last year, and assigns tickets depending on how many times a runner has
finished, DNFed, or sat on the wait list for Hardrock, and whether the runner
was a top-5 finisher (of each gender) last year.  Everyone gets one ticket for
applying, so first time applicants have one ticket, and the maximum is seven.

So far, the distribution of tickets is shown below.  Running these numbers
through a program that simulates a million random drawings results in the
following chances for a runner with a certain number of tickets being chosen
(the actual drawing will be done by pulling paper tickets from a jar):

# tickets   # runners   chance of selection
     1           91             29%
     2           27             49%
     3           28             64%
     4           15             74%
     5           15             81%
     6            6             87%
     7            5             90%

The runners who aren't chosen will be put on an ordered wait list.  Don't
despair if you're a fair way down the wait list - last year runners as far as 50
places down the wait list were able to run Hardrock due to withdrawls from
farther up the wait list and entry list.


- Blake

Blake P. Wood
Group X-2, Thermonuclear Applications, MS-T087,
Los Alamos Nat'l Lab, Los Alamos NM 87545
(505) 665-6524  Fax: (505) 665-1231  bwood@...

Feb 3, 2005

Dear All,

Thank you for welcoming me as the new Aid Station Coordinator and
for creating and perpetuating the Hardrock 100 Endurance Run. My
experience as an outfitter, registered nurse, teacher, Silvertonian,
and, incidently, hardrock mine hand, are at your disposal. If you
have questions or suggestions regarding the Aid Stations please feel
free to contact me. If any one asks about volunteering at an Aid
Station please forward either their address to me or mine to them.

At this time I am intending to go to the Runner Selection meeting on
Feb 6 and would truly appreciate someone bringing a Runners Manual
and a Volunteers Manual for my reference.

The Maggie Station has been snatched up by Chris Nute as Captain.

Sincerely,
Lois MacKenzie
P.O. Box 33
Silverton, CO   81433
970-387-5480

1370 E. 3rd St.
Delta, CO 81416
970-874-7269

skunkears@...

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The 2005 Hardrock entry list and ordered wait list is now available on
the Hardrock homepage (www.run100s.com/HR or hardrock100.com). Congratulations
to those selected. For those who are on the wait list please let us know if
you would like to remain on the wait list or be removed. If history is any
indication the first 25-30 stand a good chance of entry (although this
shouldn't be considered a guarantee!)
       We will maintain an up to date entry list on our homepage. For those of
you selected please,please let us know if you become unable to run Hardrock.
Not only will you be entitled to at least a partial refund but as you can see
there are some anxious people who would be more than happy to take your place.
      We look forward to seeing many of you in Silverton in July.
   For the Hardrock HUndred Entry Selection Committee
Dale Garland
RD, HRH

Dale, I very much wish to remain on the waiting list. Thank you for the
opportunity.



Bob Bachani

Tucson, AZ



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Good to talk to you and Andrea today! What a surprise. I actually thought we
would not get in, or at least not both of us...
We're excited!  Now I guess we better start getting serious about training!
We have had a major lifestyle change since last summer - we're parents again! No
really, i mean it. We are now raising two grandchildren - a 16 month old and a
five year old. This definitely makes training more of a challenge - I don't know
how young families do it at all.... so it will be interesting trying to get
enough miles or hours in....In fact, I have to go now and "read bedtime
stories"...

deb


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   Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 4:59 PM
   Subject: [hr100] 2005 Entry List is now available


         The 2005 Hardrock entry list and ordered wait list is now available on
   the Hardrock homepage (www.run100s.com/HR or hardrock100.com). Congratulations
   to those selected. For those who are on the wait list please let us know if
   you would like to remain on the wait list or be removed. If history is any
   indication the first 25-30 stand a good chance of entry (although this
   shouldn't be considered a guarantee!)
         We will maintain an up to date entry list on our homepage. For those of
   you selected please,please let us know if you become unable to run Hardrock.
   Not only will you be entitled to at least a partial refund but as you can see
   there are some anxious people who would be more than happy to take your place.
        We look forward to seeing many of you in Silverton in July.
     For the Hardrock HUndred Entry Selection Committee
   Dale Garland
   RD, HRH




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Hello everyone.

I thought you might like to see the "course conditions" as you start
to think about your spring training plans....

All of the photos were taken yesterday.

http://tenacity.net/HR/20050205_19md.jpg
http://tenacity.net/HR/20050205_20md.jpg
http://tenacity.net/HR/20050205_23md.jpg
http://tenacity.net/HR/silverton-pano-pre-dawn-winter-md.jpg

Enjoy!  :-)

Andrea
andrea@...

Done Bob! Thanks for letting me know
Dale

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While I was doing some research for this years Hardrock I came across
this little bit of information that I would like to share with all of you.
       Hardrock women's course record holder, 2004 womens fastest finisher, 4
time women's fastest finisher and one of the nicest women you could possibly
ever meet, Betsy Kalmeyer, is being inducted into the Colorado Sportswomen
Hall of Fame next month. I can think of no other woman who deserves this honor
more than Betsy and I think it is a well deserved honor for her.
Congratulations Betsy!
Dale Garland
RD, Hardrock Hundred Endurance Run

I am currently unsubscribed to the ultralist, would someone mind sharing this
good news with that list? Thanks

Hello Hardrockers,

The Silverton newspaper reported one of the highest January snowfalls
on record.  As you can see below, there was a lot of snow.  The San
Juan Mountains have well above the normal snowpack.  There's a lot of
snow up there.  I can't wait to see how much remains for the run but,
I'm already thinking about going up Virginius this year.

	 Unofficial Seasonal Snowfall in Inches
	 Silverton, CO, Elevation 9320
Year     Dec1     Jan1     Feb1     Mar1
	 Apr1     May1     Jun1
91-92 51.75 66.25 76.25 91.25 124.75 131.25 131.25
92-93 39.5 64 140 228 249 265 272.5
93-94 22 34 44.5 80 89 128.5 130.5
94-95 71 85.5 115 147 207.5 224 242.5
95-96 21 34 77 105.5 121 133 133
96-97 48.5 78 132.5 153 160 178 179
97-98 30 49 71.5 84.5 125 144.5 150
98-99 46.1 62 89.6 102.4 114.2 159 190.4
99-00 3.0 18.1 42.5 83.2 152.4 165.5 165.5
00-01 32.8 51.5 79.4 114.0 137.3 169.3 184.6
01-02 20.4 42.5 48.2 66.4 72.5 75.7 75.7
02-03 46.7 65.2 86.4 110.6 128.6 138.9 142.7
03-04 31 60 95.9 140.9 154.6 183.2 185.6
Past years'
averages = 35.7 54.6 84.5 115.9 141.2 161.2 167.9

04-05 34.7 45.3 114.9

Charlie Thorn
thorn@...

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Some folks remember Kristina Maxfield was RD with Dale.
Just a note to let you know that she has retired from her EMS job and will be
moving to Pagosa Springs.
In case anyone wants to send her and/or Mike a note:
Kristina Maxfield
Town
Silverton, CO 81433

should get it to her. Yes we have alot of snow here and it is snowing today!!!
Carolyn Erdman
Silverton, Colorado

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Is there an update for the March snowpack in the San Juans yet?  We are
anxiously awaiting it's overall comparison to previous years.

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Below is the Silverton snow report as of April 1st.  The snowpack
across the San Juans is roughly 1.3 times normal.  However, snowpack
has begun to decrease in the last week.  Long range forecasts
indicate about normal temperatures and precipitation for the next
three months.

SNOTEL is a great web site that provides real time measures of
temperatures, snowpack, and precip.  It's at:
http://www.wrcc.dri.edu/snotel/snoareas.html

	 Unofficial Seasonal Snowfall in Inches
	 Silverton, CO, Elevation 9320
Year     Dec1     Jan1     Feb1     Mar1
	 Apr1     May1     Jun1
91-92 51.75 66.25 76.25 91.25 124.75 131.25 131.25
92-93 39.5 64 140 228 249 265 272.5
93-94 22 34 44.5 80 89 128.5 130.5
94-95 71 85.5 115 147 207.5 224 242.5
95-96 21 34 77 105.5 121 133 133
96-97 48.5 78 132.5 153 160 178 179
97-98 30 49 71.5 84.5 125 144.5 150
98-99 46.1 62 89.6 102.4 114.2 159 190.4
99-00 3.0 18.1 42.5 83.2 152.4 165.5 165.5
00-01 32.8 51.5 79.4 114.0 137.3 169.3 184.6
01-02 20.4 42.5 48.2 66.4 72.5 75.7 75.7
02-03 46.7 65.2 86.4 110.6 128.6 138.9 142.7
03-04 31 60 95.9 140.9 154.6 183.2 185.6
Past years'
averages = 35.7 54.6 84.5 115.9 141.2 161.2 167.9

04-05 34.7 45.3 114.9 153.6 177.6

Charlie Thorn
thorn@...

I just read in the Silverton Standard that the San Juans are now on a flood
watch based on the 135% of snowfall that fell this Winter. It stated that the
Animas is reaching record levels and can be expected to be at or above record
levels in June after more melt and some June rain.

How do you think this will affect the stream crossings this year? Or will the
water levels have lowered enough over the next couple of months? Will the
Uncompaghre be over Deb's head this year?

Whatever, I am really looking forward to coming out this year..more than most
years. Guess it's time to move ;-)

Only about 10 weeks!
Steve (and Deb) Pero
Jaffrey, NH

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HI Everybody
         A great big Hardrock thank you to Heidi Schutt and Running Delights!
many of you have come to know Heidi because she is in charge of Hardrock
merchandising during our run. She is now carrying some Hardrock merchandise
year round through her company web sit- Running Delights. You can see what she
is carrying and order your Hardrock merchandise by going to
  ontherun.com/running delights, clicking on "our products" and the scrolling
to "Hardrock 100". In addition to the Hardrock merchandise, Heidi carries a
wide range of other running merchandise that may interest you. We would like
you to save some of your pennies for July, when we will have the entire line
of 2005 Hardrock merchandise available.
Let us know what you think. If there is enough demnad for us to carry more
merchandise on line we'll do it.
So long from the snowy San Juans!
Dale Garland
Hardrock Hundred Endurance Run

Check out Running Delights for your up to date HRH needs.
Mother's Day is just around the corner and I know some of the moms that are
entered would love a cozy hooded sweatshirt.

Check it out!!

Oh and yes, it has been snowing all day in Silverton and sticking!!
Carolyn Erdman

Just wondered what experienced finishers at Hardrock thought  about the
following scenario for this years run:

1.    First time runner of the HR100
2.    Has a one  time finisher ( HURT100) friend  to pace them
         .  this person doesn't like the cold
         .  lives at 2500 ft.
         .  no experience in snow, ice, elevation or weather
         .  can't go to any of the course marking days because he/she is running
Western States in June
         . and wants their pacing experience to allow them to spend the night in
Telluride specifically

What do you do??

Melody

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--- MELODY VARNER <melstrails@...> wrote:
> Just wondered what experienced finishers at Hardrock thought  about the
> following scenario for this years run:
>
> 1.    First time runner of the HR100
> 2.    Has a one  time finisher ( HURT100) friend  to pace them
>         .  this person doesn't like the cold
>         .  lives at 2500 ft.
>         .  no experience in snow, ice, elevation or weather
>         .  can't go to any of the course marking days because he/she is
> running Western States in June
>         . and wants their pacing experience to allow them to spend the
> night in Telluride specifically
>
> What do you do??
>
> Melody

You should be prepared to finish without your pacer.  Learn the route from
Chapman to Silverton well because it will look very different on the second
night when you aren't thinking straight.  Hike KT to Silverton twice.

Andrew Thompson posted a fascenating report from the Barkley about what can
happen to your mind after 2 nights without sleep.
http://www.mattmahoney.net/barkley/2005/andrew.html

It reminds me of my deteriorating mental state when I got lost on Putnam
ridge in 1998 when the flags disappeared.  I had hiked it in training a
week earlier and had a map and compass, but I still was lost and wandered
in circles for 3 hours in the middle of the night until the next runner
(Fred Vance) came along and we eventually made it back to Silverton in
51:38.


-- Matt Mahoney, matmahoney@...

Go without the pacer and hang with some experienced Hardrockers, you'll be
better off!

Steve

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   To: hr100
   Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 11:11 PM
   Subject: [hr100] just wondering


   Just wondered what experienced finishers at Hardrock thought  about the
following scenario for this years run:

   1.    First time runner of the HR100
   2.    Has a one  time finisher ( HURT100) friend  to pace them
           .  this person doesn't like the cold
           .  lives at 2500 ft.
           .  no experience in snow, ice, elevation or weather
           .  can't go to any of the course marking days because he/she is
running Western States in June
           . and wants their pacing experience to allow them to spend the night
in Telluride specifically

   What do you do??

   Melody

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This is hard to answer without knowing how fast the runner is that will be
paced.

Probably your best bet is to have them pace the runner from Grouse to Telluride.
There shouldn't be much snow and ice over Engineer.  It could be cold up there,
depending on the weather and what time of day you reach it, but after that
you'll be heading down to lower elevations.  They could have a hotel room
waiting for them in Telluride.  Depending on how fast the runner is, they may
have a full night there, or may crawl into bed in the wee hours of the morning.

Other alternatives would be to spend Friday night in Telluride and then pick up
the runner in either Ouray, Telluride or at Chapman in the morning (depending on
how fast they are).  All of these legs are likely to involve substantial running
over snow, but the last two shouldn't be too icy as long as it is daytime.  The
leg out of Ouray over Virginius is likely to be very icy when most runners will
hit it, except for the back-of-the-packers.  This might be an option for them,
if they don't plan to get out of Ouray before dawn.

- Blake


At 08:11 PM 5/11/2005 -0700, you wrote:
>Just wondered what experienced finishers at Hardrock thought  about the
following scenario for this years run:
>
>1.    First time runner of the HR100
>2.    Has a one  time finisher ( HURT100) friend  to pace them
>        .  this person doesn't like the cold
>        .  lives at 2500 ft.
>        .  no experience in snow, ice, elevation or weather
>        .  can't go to any of the course marking days because he/she is running
Western States in June
>        . and wants their pacing experience to allow them to spend the night in
Telluride specifically
>
>What do you do??
>
>Melody

When I have run with pacers who may themselves struggle with the course, I
prefer to save them for the last segments of the course when I am likely to be
struggling the most (and am moving slowly).  I would suggest that the pacer go
for a leg on the second day, in the day, to test themselves at altitude and snow
- maybe Ouray to Telluride if it is late enough.  Then they can take a break if
needed. I would definitely suggest a pacer for the finish from Chapman to the
finish, likely in the night and over a snowy Grant-Swamp pass.

Even if the pacer is not familiar with the course, if he/she is wide awake,
he/she is less likely to miss markers and do dumb things than a tired runner.


Odie Christensen



> >Just wondered what experienced finishers at Hardrock thought
> about the following scenario for this years run:
> >
> >1.    First time runner of the HR100
> >2.    Has a one  time finisher ( HURT100) friend  to pace them
> >        .  this person doesn't like the cold
> >        .  lives at 2500 ft.
> >        .  no experience in snow, ice, elevation or weather
> >        .  can't go to any of the course marking days because
> he/she is running Western States in June
> >        . and wants their pacing experience to allow them to
> spend the night in Telluride specifically
> >
> >What do you do??
> >
> >Melody
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I would tend to agree with Matt and Steve about this.

Expect to finish the course alone. Chances are, you won't be alone and
you will have a pacer, but then you can cover all your bases. If you
really learn the part of the course from Chapman to Silverton, you will
feel most confident about night#2.I would experiment with hiking it at
night.

Jennifer Roach
Boulder.

Matt Mahoney wrote:

>--- MELODY VARNER <melstrails@...> wrote:
>
>
>>Just wondered what experienced finishers at Hardrock thought  about the
>>following scenario for this years run:
>>
>>1.    First time runner of the HR100
>>2.    Has a one  time finisher ( HURT100) friend  to pace them
>>        .  this person doesn't like the cold
>>        .  lives at 2500 ft.
>>        .  no experience in snow, ice, elevation or weather
>>        .  can't go to any of the course marking days because he/she is
>>running Western States in June
>>        . and wants their pacing experience to allow them to spend the
>>night in Telluride specifically
>>
>>What do you do??
>>
>>Melody
>>
>>
>
>You should be prepared to finish without your pacer.  Learn the route from
>Chapman to Silverton well because it will look very different on the second
>night when you aren't thinking straight.  Hike KT to Silverton twice.
>
>Andrew Thompson posted a fascenating report from the Barkley about what can
>happen to your mind after 2 nights without sleep.
>http://www.mattmahoney.net/barkley/2005/andrew.html
>
>It reminds me of my deteriorating mental state when I got lost on Putnam
>ridge in 1998 when the flags disappeared.  I had hiked it in training a
>week earlier and had a map and compass, but I still was lost and wandered
>in circles for 3 hours in the middle of the night until the next runner
>(Fred Vance) came along and we eventually made it back to Silverton in
>51:38.
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Melody,
I did Western States and HRH same year and I live at sea level.
Yes its very much possible however, this person must absolutely arrive right
after Wester States to Silverton and do all the course marking, if not its over.
Take care.
Bozena


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Topics in this digest:

       1. just wondering
            From: "MELODY VARNER" <melstrails@...>
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            From: "Steve Pero" <ultrastevep@...>


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Message: 1
    Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 20:11:22 -0700
    From: "MELODY VARNER" <melstrails@...>
Subject: just wondering

Just wondered what experienced finishers at Hardrock thought  about the
following scenario for this years run:

1.    First time runner of the HR100
2.    Has a one  time finisher ( HURT100) friend  to pace them
         .  this person doesn't like the cold
         .  lives at 2500 ft.
         .  no experience in snow, ice, elevation or weather
         .  can't go to any of the course marking days because he/she is running
Western States in June
         . and wants their pacing experience to allow them to spend the night in
Telluride specifically

What do you do??

Melody

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Message: 2
    Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 05:51:20 -0700 (PDT)
    From: Matt Mahoney <matmahoney@...>
Subject: Re: just wondering

--- MELODY VARNER <melstrails@...> wrote:
> Just wondered what experienced finishers at Hardrock thought  about the
> following scenario for this years run:
>
> 1.    First time runner of the HR100
> 2.    Has a one  time finisher ( HURT100) friend  to pace them
>         .  this person doesn't like the cold
>         .  lives at 2500 ft.
>         .  no experience in snow, ice, elevation or weather
>         .  can't go to any of the course marking days because he/she is
> running Western States in June
>         . and wants their pacing experience to allow them to spend the
> night in Telluride specifically
>
> What do you do??
>
> Melody

You should be prepared to finish without your pacer.  Learn the route from
Chapman to Silverton well because it will look very different on the second
night when you aren't thinking straight.  Hike KT to Silverton twice.

Andrew Thompson posted a fascenating report from the Barkley about what can
happen to your mind after 2 nights without sleep.
http://www.mattmahoney.net/barkley/2005/andrew.html

It reminds me of my deteriorating mental state when I got lost on Putnam
ridge in 1998 when the flags disappeared.  I had hiked it in training a
week earlier and had a map and compass, but I still was lost and wandered
in circles for 3 hours in the middle of the night until the next runner
(Fred Vance) came along and we eventually made it back to Silverton in
51:38.


-- Matt Mahoney, matmahoney@...


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Message: 3
    Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 09:21:25 -0400
    From: "Steve Pero" <ultrastevep@...>
Subject: Re: just wondering

Go without the pacer and hang with some experienced Hardrockers, you'll be
better off!

Steve

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: MELODY VARNER
   To: hr100
   Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 11:11 PM
   Subject: [hr100] just wondering


   Just wondered what experienced finishers at Hardrock thought  about the
following scenario for this years run:

   1.    First time runner of the HR100
   2.    Has a one  time finisher ( HURT100) friend  to pace them
           .  this person doesn't like the cold
           .  lives at 2500 ft.
           .  no experience in snow, ice, elevation or weather
           .  can't go to any of the course marking days because he/she is
running Western States in June
           . and wants their pacing experience to allow them to spend the night
in Telluride specifically

   What do you do??

   Melody

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--- In hr100@yahoogroups.com, "Maslanka, Bozena \(SC\)"
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> Melody,
> I did Western States and HRH same year and I live at sea level.
> Yes its very much possible however, this person must absolutely
arrive right after Wester States to Silverton and do all the course
marking, if not its over.
> Take care.
> Bozena
>
> No let see does that mean the Big Lady will sing...you really don't
know what that person is capable of! But have ya ate yet? Sammy V.
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>       1. just wondering
>            From: "MELODY VARNER" <melstrails@m...>
>       2. Re: just wondering
>            From: Matt Mahoney <matmahoney@y...>
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>    Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 20:11:22 -0700
>    From: "MELODY VARNER" <melstrails@m...>
> Subject: just wondering
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> Just wondered what experienced finishers at Hardrock thought  about
the following scenario for this years run:
>
> 1.    First time runner of the HR100
> 2.    Has a one  time finisher ( HURT100) friend  to pace them
>         .  this person doesn't like the cold
>         .  lives at 2500 ft.
>         .  no experience in snow, ice, elevation or weather
>         .  can't go to any of the course marking days because
he/she is running Western States in June
>         . and wants their pacing experience to allow them to spend
the night in Telluride specifically
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> What do you do??
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> Melody
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>    Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 05:51:20 -0700 (PDT)
>    From: Matt Mahoney <matmahoney@y...>
> Subject: Re: just wondering
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> --- MELODY VARNER <melstrails@m...> wrote:
> > Just wondered what experienced finishers at Hardrock thought
about the
> > following scenario for this years run:
> >
> > 1.    First time runner of the HR100
> > 2.    Has a one  time finisher ( HURT100) friend  to pace them
> >         .  this person doesn't like the cold
> >         .  lives at 2500 ft.
> >         .  no experience in snow, ice, elevation or weather
> >         .  can't go to any of the course marking days because
he/she is
> > running Western States in June
> >         . and wants their pacing experience to allow them to
spend the
> > night in Telluride specifically
> >
> > What do you do??
> >
> > Melody
>
> You should be prepared to finish without your pacer.  Learn the
route from
> Chapman to Silverton well because it will look very different on
the second
> night when you aren't thinking straight.  Hike KT to Silverton
twice.
>
> Andrew Thompson posted a fascenating report from the Barkley about
what can
> happen to your mind after 2 nights without sleep.
> http://www.mattmahoney.net/barkley/2005/andrew.html
>
> It reminds me of my deteriorating mental state when I got lost on
Putnam
> ridge in 1998 when the flags disappeared.  I had hiked it in
training a
> week earlier and had a map and compass, but I still was lost and
wandered
> in circles for 3 hours in the middle of the night until the next
runner
> (Fred Vance) came along and we eventually made it back to Silverton
in
> 51:38.
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>    Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 09:21:25 -0400
>    From: "Steve Pero" <ultrastevep@a...>
> Subject: Re: just wondering
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> Go without the pacer and hang with some experienced Hardrockers,
you'll be better off!
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> Steve
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>   Subject: [hr100] just wondering
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>   Just wondered what experienced finishers at Hardrock thought
about the following scenario for this years run:
>
>   1.    First time runner of the HR100
>   2.    Has a one  time finisher ( HURT100) friend  to pace them
>           .  this person doesn't like the cold
>           .  lives at 2500 ft.
>           .  no experience in snow, ice, elevation or weather
>           .  can't go to any of the course marking days because
he/she is running Western States in June
>           . and wants their pacing experience to allow them to
spend the night in Telluride specifically
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>   What do you do??
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>   Melody
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--- "Maslanka, Bozena (SC)" <bmaslank@...> wrote:
> I did Western States and HRH same year and I live at sea level.

I did too, in 1998, and the result was 51:38.  Looking back, I think that 9
days acclimation was not enough.  I was barely on 48 hour pace before I got
lost.  I drove from Squaw Valley to Silverton with 3 overnights at low
elevation (Squaw, Great Basin and Zion).  Otherwise I recovered OK frmo WS.
  The leg stiffness was about gone by the time I reached Silverton.  I held
back at WS knowing Hardrock was coming and finished in 31:54 (snow year).

Anyway if your pacer has finished HURT I would not worry so much about
being able to keep up with you for the last 25 miles when you won't be
moving fast.  (I assume that's where you will want a pacer).  Given the
recent weather your pacer will probably get snow experience at WS too, like
it or not.

Don't worry whether your pacer knows the route from Chapman to Silveron.
You are the one that needs to know it, just in case your pacer doesn't show
up, isn't able to run, or can't keep up for some reason.  Plans can change
at the last minute.  You must be prepared to abandon your pacer in a remote
area if needed.  I have done it, and had it done to me.  You have cutoffs
to make.  You are not expected to wait for your pacer.

BTW, anyone know course conditions?  I'm expecting that Grant-Swamp will be
solid 45 deg. snow and the two crossings of S. Mineral are hip or waist
deep and flowing fast.


-- Matt Mahoney, matmahoney@...

Ok, folks.  Here it is, the latest snow report from Silverton.  Looks
like there is still snow in the high country.  Rumor has it that
there is a bit of melting, too.

	 Unofficial Seasonal Snowfall in Inches
	 Silverton, CO, Elevation 9320
Year     Dec1     Jan1     Feb1     Mar1
	 Apr1     May1     Jun1
91-92 51.75 66.25 76.25 91.25 124.75 131.25 131.25
92-93 39.5 64 140 228 249 265 272.5
93-94 22 34 44.5 80 89 128.5 130.5
94-95 71 85.5 115 147 207.5 224 242.5
95-96 21 34 77 105.5 121 133 133
96-97 48.5 78 132.5 153 160 178 179
97-98 30 49 71.5 84.5 125 144.5 150
98-99 46.1 62 89.6 102.4 114.2 159 190.4
99-00 3.0 18.1 42.5 83.2 152.4 165.5 165.5
00-01 32.8 51.5 79.4 114.0 137.3 169.3 184.6
01-02 20.4 42.5 48.2 66.4 72.5 75.7 75.7
02-03 46.7 65.2 86.4 110.6 128.6 138.9 142.7
03-04 31 60 95.9 140.9 154.6 183.2 185.6
Past years'
averages = 35.7 54.6 84.5 115.9 141.2 161.2 167.9

04-05 34.7 45.3 114.9 153.6 177.6 194.7

Charlie Thorn
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