Stephen In reference to your concern about others being frustrated by a linguistic approach, for my part it is clear that the dominant interest expressed by...
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... that guy opens his mouth, he reduces the sum of human knowledge ...). But the beauty of a slow reading is precisely that it does not require a quick ...
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... well i guess the next question would be how many people are interested in working through the greek line by line? (and believe me my greek aint so hot ...
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Oct 5, 2003 6:46 am
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Suppose we set ourselves the task of ... Well, we could just skip the Iliad and do Lucian's Trip to the Moon, oh, tee hee. But seriously folks -- 100 lines is...
Jack Ayer
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Oct 5, 2003 3:08 pm
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... well okay let's assume we'll live long enough to get through the whole thing. Here for the hell of it is my literal rendering of the first seven lines of...
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Stephen Baily writes: _____ * But seriously folks -- 100 lines is a good idea and ... well okay let's assume we'll live long enough to get through the whole...
a thousand thanks to the initiators and no disrespect if I play the always-winnable game of second-guessing. That is: --for heroon, "noble souls," "souls of...
Jack Ayer
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Jim C., This post of yours from Oct 1 is fascinating as well as enlightening. While the current posts seem to be headed in different ways ( as is normal for...
Michael L. Windham
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... the point is well taken but the reason I went with scavengers instead of birds of prey is that when i hear the phrase "birds of prey" I tend to think not...
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Stephen Baily writes: ... the point is well taken but the reason I went with scavengers instead of birds of prey is that when i hear the phrase "birds of prey"...
... I also wanted to point out that word _teleiO_, accomplish or fulfill, of course, attached to the will of Zeus reverberates with the telos of man, his end,...
... But if eagles and hawks do not eat carrion, why does homer go out of his way to say not merely that the bodies are left to be eaten by birds of prey but to...
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... Sadly, I am not an expert on the birds of Homer's world, which include sea gulls, birds that eat nearly everything, as well as all kinds of other birds. My...
Let me just make a few summary remarks regarding my commentary on the proem, and then in a separate post I will respond a little more fully to some of...
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Jim C writes: _____ THE TITLE We overlooked the title of the poem, "The Iliad," which refers to Troy. One thing the poet asks of the audience right away, is...
[I started writing this response several months ago, but never finished. Now I'm cleaning out my files and I thought I would send it out as is in the hopes of...
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seems like a pretty quiet group...if anyone still watches it... i am a long time student of religion and philosophy. i am now interested in classical thought,...
Yes, Homer was the basis of classical education in ethics, courage, rhetoric, politics,etc. Rather like Shakespeare in our culture and in some ways like the...
I thought it was a classic until the ending, which I thought was weak and too hollywood. kc ... From: jimboman222000 To: homer@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday,...
It was better than I thought it would be, but still only mediocre. It was just impossible to imagine Brad Pitt playing Achilles so I went into it with low...
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Well, since the trojan horse wasn't in the poem I knew that if they wanted the big ending they were going to have to go beyond homer. However, even though I...
Well, Since I started this I guess I ought to weigh in. I thought it was a great Sword and Sandals movie with all the trimmings. I like the genre and was not...
I thought it was COMPLETE Hollywood! Troy/Iliad without the gods?! bk homer@yahoogroups.com wrote: There is 1 message in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1....
well, i am probably wrong, but i thought the reason poseidon was mad at odysseus was because he put out the eye of his son, the cyclops. You remember, "and...
In general all the gods are mad at the all Greeks returning from Troy because of sacrileges committed during the fall of Troy such as the murder of little...
Keep in mind that Poseidon and Apollo had built the walls of Troy and Poseidon sided with the Trojans. It was the trickery of Odysseus (the wooden horse) that...
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....Good point about Poseidon and Apollo's support for the Trojans. The stories do vary but as far as I know Ajax the Lesser raped Cassandra (that is why his...
My plato-timaeus list has been quiet for some time, but a few subscribers have recently indicated a desire to launch a slow reading of this dialogue. If you...
