Juan Carlos,
Thank you for clarifying.
Andrius

J.C. DE MARTIN wrote:
> Hi Andrius,
>
> The topic is great, thanks for thinking about it,
> but I would not like to organize a workshop again
> in the same city with the same organizing partner.
>
> Thanks,
>
> juan carlos
>
> prof. juan carlos de martin
> coordinator - COMMUNIA project
> http://communia-project.eu
>
>
> Andrius Kulikauskas wrote (on 28-10-2009 11:11):
>> Hi Juan Carlos,
>>
>> Has there been any interest from new members - or other members - to
>> host the April 2010 meeting?
>>
>> We'd be interested to host it again in Vilnius.  Our topic would be the
>> value of Art in the Public Domain.
>>
>> I am leading an art exhibit "Land of Dreamers" that has been scheduled
>> for this Spring in the Uzhupis Galera http://www.umi.lt/galera.php
>> We're inviting all interested to share their aspirations, their life
>> dreams, in the Public Domain:
>> http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Dreams
>> as texts, audio, video. Then we will work together with the many
>> creative arts (painting, sculpture, poetry, music, song, video...) to
>> express these dreams.  And we will try to integrate them in a coherent
>> whole.  All of our work will be in the Public Domain.  These many
>> creative works - before, during and after - will be our "output" for the
>> workshop.
>>
>> The meeting would be April 1-2, Thursday, Friday and the work would take
>> place for a couple of weeks before and after as well, so (to the extent
>> that COMMUNIA allows) we would be welcome to stay longer.   Note that
>> April 1 is independence day for the Republic of Uzhupis.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U%C5%BEupis
>>
>> Our created work could be shown at the June conference in Milan.
>>
>> May I submit this workshop idea?  I understand that we want to give
>> priority to new members.  Perhaps there are new members or old members
>> who would like to collaborate on this?
>>
>> Andrius
>>
>> Andrius Kulikauskas
>> Minciu Sodas
>> http://www.ms.lt
>> ms@...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> J.C. DE MARTIN wrote:
>>
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>> To give some more time to prepare the proposals,
>>> and also considering that I will be traveling
>>> and therefore I will not be able to process
>>> the proposals right after the current deadline,
>>> the new deadline to submit the April 2010
>>> COMMUNIA Workshop proposals is
>>>
>>>        Friday, 30 October 2009
>>>
>>> Thanks, best regards,
>>>
>>> juan carlos
>>>
>>> prof. juan carlos de martin
>>> coordinator - COMMUNIA project
>>> http://communia-project.eu
>>>
>>>
>>> J.C. DE MARTIN wrote (on 10-10-2009 20:19):
>>>
>>>> Dear All,
>>>>
>>>> Please send to this mailing list no later than
>>>>
>>>>            Sunday, 25 October 2009
>>>>
>>>> your proposals for organizing the
>>>>
>>>>            April 2010 COMMUNIA Workshop.
>>>>
>>>> Please use the following subject for your message:
>>>>
>>>>  Subject: "April 2010 Workshop Proposal: <Name of the city hosting
>>>> the workshop>"
>>>>
>>>> Please structure your proposal according to the
>>>> following outline:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Proposed title of the Workshop;
>>>> 2. Abstract: topic to be addressed, how, etc.;
>>>> 3. Explanation of why the topic is relevant and timely
>>>>    for the COMMUNIA Project, also taking in consideration the
>>>>    workshops/conferences held so far and the fact that
>>>>    the 2010 February Workshop will be devoted to policy
>>>>    and the final conference (Turin, 28-30 June 2010) will be
>>>>    devoted to Universities and the public domain.
>>>> 4. Policy recommendations: explain how the workshop
>>>>    plans to produce policy recommendations, what kind,
>>>>    by whom, and how this output will relate to the
>>>>    ongoing COMMUNIA policy activities.
>>>> 5. Description of the workshop venue, including
>>>>    description of the WGs Meetings venue (if different;
>>>>    plan one full day, after or before the workshop regular
>>>>    schedule);
>>>> 6. Expected attendance (e.g., based on previous experiences
>>>>    in the same city by the organizers);
>>>> 7. Names and short bios of the members of organizing team;
>>>>    please emphasize previous direct experiences
>>>>    organizing workshops/conferences.
>>>>    You must indicate an ADMINISTRATIVE REFERENCE PERSON
>>>>    and a TECHNICAL PROGRAM REFERENCE PERSON.
>>>> 8. Proposed budget, with a break-down of the main costs
>>>>    (max 10.000 euro as far as COMMUNIA is concerned;
>>>>    you may use additional sources of funding, see below);
>>>> 9. Proposed Workshop program: rough organization of the
>>>>    1-2 days (i.e., format, plenaries topics, session topics,
>>>>    keynote speakers, etc.);
>>>> 10. An explanation of why you expect the required attendance
>>>>     (50 persons) and submission levels (8 papers) to be attained.
>>>> 11. Any another information that might strengthen/illustrate
>>>>     the proposal, e.g., how well the city is connected
>>>>     with the rest of Europe, potential synergies with other events
>>>>     immediately before/after in the same city/region,
>>>>     particularly attractive accommodations, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Each member may submit only one proposal. For the sake
>>>> of diversity, proposals coming from cities that have already
>>>> organized COMMUNIA events are discouraged.
>>>>
>>>> The Workshop must be clearly presented to the public
>>>> as a COMMUNIA Workshop.
>>>>
>>>> Each COMMUNIA Workshop may count on an overall COMMUNIA
>>>> budget of 10.000 euro. The eligible expenses are the
>>>> usual workshop-related ones: venue, catering, invited speakers,
>>>> technical services, etc.
>>>> THE POLITECNICO DI TORINO, as Coordinator, will handle
>>>> those expenses directly (including the travel of invited
>>>> speakers, if any),  with the help of the local organizers
>>>> to collect offers, etc.
>>>>
>>>> The local organizers may seek other funds from governments,
>>>> scientific organizations, foundations, and similar
>>>> non-profit entities, as far as that does not change
>>>> the COMMUNIA nature of the workshop.
>>>>
>>>> I look forward to reading your proposals.
>>>>
>>>> If you have any doubt, please do not hesitate to contact me.
>>>>
>>>> thanks, best regards,
>>>>
>>>> juan carlos
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> prof. juan carlos de martin
>>>> coordinator - COMMUNIA project
>>>> http://communia-project.eu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
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>

I invite us all to chat tomorrow, Thursday, October 29, starting at 9:00
am New York time, 13:00 am London, 16:00 Nairobi.  Come to our chat room
http://www.worknets.org/chat/

I will be participating at a meeting in Lithuania and explaining how we
can use Internet tools (like chat, wiki, emails) to help people with
their projects.  I want to motivate our team in Lithuania that they can
learn how to use such tools and that they can truly be helpful.  Your
participation will make for concrete examples and help me get my points
across!

For example, Fred Kayiwa is working as an online assistant at our chat
room.  Today he started helping to move some Lithuanian pages from our
Worknets wiki http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Values to our Lithuanian
language wiki http://www.ms.lt/lt/wiki.cgi?Vertyb%C4%97s   It's
interesting that he can do that even though he doesn't know Lithuanian!
So this is a good example that Lithuanians can help other people, too,
even if they don't know English.

I ask us all to please visit our chat room when you are online.  Sign in
and say hi and a line or two about what you are doing (just like
Twitter).  And please let me and Fred and Sasha teach you how to help
with our tasks http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Tasks and likewise
please give us your tasks that we can help with.  In this way, we will
have a vibrant help room which will make a sound foundation for our own
"economy of dreams" (of helping each other), but also working as teams
to make a living and make Minciu Sodas, Worknets strong along with all
of our projects.

Ananya Guha has a great project of writing poems for children.
http://www.earthtreasury.org/wiki.cgi?AnanyaSGuha
http:/We can publish them in English and local languages for viewing on
DVD players, digital cameras, mobile phones and that supports Ricaro's
endeavors and Josephat Ndibalema's as well.  Ananya, if you can join us
online at our chat room then we can likewise help more with your lovely
endeavor.

Proscoviour Vunyiwa is an example of a person who I'd like to encourage
to participate more.  You are very skilled and we would greatly benefit
and you could teach others, too!

Samwel Kongere has written about his dream for a fish pond.  We can
respond by looking for microcredit solutions, and by learning from Jeff
Buderer and other about Integrated Farm and Waste Management.  Jeff, can
you advise?  Let's share our dreams!

Andrius

Andrius Kulikauskas
Minciu Sodas
http://www.ms.lt
ms@...
+370 699 30003

Ananya Guha wrote:
> Dear Andrius,
>
> Thanks very much for the information. In the meantime I am trying to
> continue with my writing texts for children. Kindly have a look, I
> need your help, to put them into a narrative structure, with voice etc
> in DVDs.
>
> Ananya S Guha.

---------------------------------------

Proscoviour Vunyiwa:

Thanks Andrius, I had spoken to Samuel Kongere on phone. If I will be
through with my exams which i will be starting late November and finish
early December, I will travel to Kisumu on 8th so that we can chat the
way forward on how we can work together. I also do carpet weaving on
readily available material and I believe this skill can help improve the
life of someone.   I appreciate your encouragement and getting time to
read my articles.  God bless you.

---------------------------------------

Samwel Kongere:

My dream is a community sustainable agriculture. I've a dream to keep
myself fed and enable about 772 villagers access Tilapia their staple
food, source of protein, commercial earner and make it sustainable to
our livelihood. The people have been depending on this fish trade for
decades but due to too much pressure of famine, destruction of
vegetation and fishing pressure. I really dream of an integrated fish
farming in a FishPond. My preliminary finding shows that it can be
started with Kenya shillings 130,000 (about 1750 USD) which can run to
close at 200,000 or so (about 2700 USD) to make it sustainable and
transferable to the next generation. After several consultations with my
comrades in Networks in Mendenyo, Rusinga island, the Kawala Women
development group who appear on a picture in my profile in MS wiki,
Udogo youth Development, YUVA (Youth for Unity and Voluntary Actions),
RIDFI (Rusinga Island Youth Development Forum Initiative) all registered
with the government and based in Rusinga Island in the New district of
Mbita! We are working on 'A Living hope is desire'. If sustainability in
Agriculture can sustain livelihood, then Enviromental friendly will be a
long vested venture amongst dreams to create water catchment. My hope is
to have specialist volunteers locally and internationally to aid this
dream. A volunteer house can be constructed to save expenses, logical
food security.

See also other dreams at http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Dreams for our
economy of dreams.

------------------------------------

Sasha Mrkailo:

Hi Andrius,
  I find it hard to find connection between wiki pages I made. I feel this is
counter productive, its like thinking thoughts but not keep them together. Its
like forgetting them, like they have never been thought. I think this is not
good, or at least its not useful to me. I would like to have some system where I
could know which are pages made or modified by me. Or eventually make subpages
like there is for example: EarthTreasury / AnanyaSGuha.
Maybe I could make a subwiki SashaMrkailo / Beekeeping  SashaMrkailo / Linux and
so on.

Sasha, that's a good idea and I can make such a report!  Thank you for your
ideas for improvements.  Andrius

Ed Cherlin and I spoke today. Ed lives in Silicon Valley, California and
leads our Earth Treasury working group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/earthtreasury/ (please join!) and subwiki
http://www.earthtreasury.org He's the leader I'm organizing around for
Minciu Sodas and Worknets vision of education, both adults and children.

Please see below Ed's business plan outline and expertise request. His
goal is to end poverty, oppression, war, disease. His business will
organize all that's needed for the people of a village to organize a
bright future for themselves, including electricity, microfinance,
health services and one laptop per child.

This is all too much to believe. But I think that we do need to think
with Ed's boldness if we're going to address our local situations,
especially our challenges in Africa. I therefore ask us to take up his
challenge, to take him seriously and then, in turn, we will take each
other seriously as well.

What we agreed would be helpful for Ed, and for Worknets as well, and
for our African leaders, would be that we identify those among us who
aspire to be "super lab leaders" such as Samwel Kongere in Rusinga
Island, Kenya. Samwel's fish pond (for food security) is a good example
of the kind of project that Ed's business would find support for.
Together we can look for microcredit (about $2,000) to finance the fish
pond, and look for advice (such as from Jeff Buderer or Ben de Vries) on
how to make the most of the fish pond. And we can think how the fish
pond might be part of the wider effort for a village rebirth. Such
projects will help Ed's business become understandable to those who
might provide larger funds some day. I think it will also help him and
us think about all of the aspects of leading a lab and organizing a
global village, to help us make visible all that we do and should do, to
formulate and meet our expectations. What is our reality? Samwel, Franz
and all, please join Ed's group if you are interested!

Ed is also writing a book of "Lessons on Discovery".
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/The_Undiscoverable
"The chief task in building new learning materials will be discovering
ways to structure learning to maximize the amount of discovery the
children can achieve, with the minimum of direction."
What are the hints that inspire us to discover?
I'm hoping that Ed leads us to create and publish such isolated lessons
that each of us can learn to write so that we have a wonderful
collection of them. I have been thinking about writing "ethics lessons"
for our Worknets culture of independent thinkers - what behavior we
might expect of ourselves and why - because I think this is what truly
is important to teach and learn. I am thinking that mathematical
thinking can be relevant as the kind of models that come up in ethical
situations (sometimes multiplying, sometimes dividing, sometimes adding
or subtracting, for example). In Lithuania, we have participants
interested in making sense of money, and that is another place where
ethics and math come together. Consequently, I will be working on our
wiki interface so that it is helpful for publishing such individual lessons.

Ed and I have creative tension in our different concerns. Ed wants to
respond to poverty and serve those who might help. My own instinct is
that the notion of "poverty" separates people into a caste system of
"us" and "them", whereas if we engage each other as equals (as
independent thinkers with a shared culture), then we are brothers and
sisters and have a natural interest to care for each other and those
around us. In that sense, we multiply our resources and we get a richer
sense in what ways we are rich or poor.

Similarly, Ed has a list of solutions that have proven to work. But I
believe that the people who I'm attracted to, people like Ed, have a
creative streak where they're not so interested to do what's been proven
to work, but want to follow their own path. Furthermore, I think from a
business point of view, that this is the value that we have to offer in
remote villages, that we can be places to experiment and our research
can advance innovations (as in education, ecology, health) that would be
very expensive to develop in a wealthy or established country like the
US or Western Europe. If we ask, what can we offer the west? then I
believe we will discover the business value that Ed can offer.

So I hope that we might coach Ed just as he might coach us. What I
emphasize, though, is that organizing around Ed we have the opportunity
to advance ourselves as leaders of labs, of global villages and of
schools for self-learners. He might link us to the ideas and resources
we need to respond to Samwel's situation of food insecurity and many
other such real challenges that we're facing.

Please join us!

Andrius

Andrius Kulikauskas
Minciu Sodas
http://www.ms.lt
ms@...


Edward Cherlin:

I am writing a business plan for Earth Treasury to include
infrastructure (electricity and Internet), education, and
microfinance, all in a virtuous cycle so that it can generate profits
for all concerned and put an end to poverty. I welcome any of you to
discuss how your initiatives could fit in here.

The overall anti-poverty and global empowerment plan is on the Earth
Treasury site. You will see that there is much more to it than this
business idea, such as replacing textbooks with Free digital media.
Here is a quick sketch of what I have in mind right now.

Go into a village, by invitation only, and start with non-technical,
non-financial organizing and planning, as do Sarvodaya and Grameen.
When conditions permit, including some education and training of
children and adults, start microfinance operations. We would like to
provide a telephone, a computer, the electricity to run them, and a
low bandwidth Internet connection to four entrepreneurial groups
(typically five women each). There are relatively easy business
opportunities at that point in e-commerce, with local art and craft
items obtainable nowhere else. We want to provide free information
services on the computer, and paid business services. We must examine
the costs and benefits of education so that we can find opportunities
with a short payback period to finance the longer education cycle to
support a lifetime of work and social engagement.

This begins a virtuous cycle, where every step enables other steps,
and almost all steps are profitable in a fairly short period.

o The Grameen Phone model for village infrastructure at a profit all around.

o The ITC e-choupal model of increasing farm income with village
computing for farmers.

o The Sarvodaya Shramadana model of integrated village development.

o The Partners in Health approach to health care.

o OneVillage Foundation, particularly in Ghana, is involved with
wireless communications, ICT, and education.

o One-to-one computing in education, so that children can do homework
together from their scattered homes and make friends around the world,
among other things. We expect some of those friendships to turn into
global business partnerships in time. One Laptop Per Child provides he
model for the computers, and Sugar Labs for the software. 40-year
computer and education pioneers Alan Kay (Smalltalk, GUIs,
Object-Oriented Programming), Seymour Papert (Logo, Turtle Art), and
Doug Engelbart (Mother of All Demos, Enhancing Collective
Intelligence) are major supporters.

Senator John McCain has recently endorsed the OLPC/Sugar program as a
counter-insurgency strategy. I'm not sure about that, since it might
make targets of the children in some places. But there are XOs in some
of the more difficult areas in Colombia, including Medellin, so maybe.

o Electricity and Internet for even the poorest and most remote
villages. The technology is here, and many for-profit and non-profit
organizations are working on various parts of the problem of
optimizing products and services for every inhabited terrain and
climate. The infrastructure sine qua non. We are negotiating with
SolarNetOne on integrated solar PV/wireless installations for 25 to
1,000 XOs in a school, plus lights, servers, and some outside
businesses.

o Microfinance to complete the loop. Electricity and Internet
businesses can be profitable from the beginning. As children learn
computer skills, more and more opportunities will open up. We are
proposing to start with the Fantsuam Foundation's microfinance project
in Nigeria.

Our part of the program has opened up just recently because OLPC will
now accept orders for fewer than 10,000 XO laptops. The minimum order
is now 25 of the improved XO 1.5 units @ $250, or $6,250.

I don't see any problems in coming up with a financial plan showing
how much capital would be required for various possible rates of
growth. I do foresee numerous, mostly temporary, obstacles from
governments, from corruption, and from culture clashes. I have been
making a study of such problems, which does not mean that I have all
of the answers, but that we have a decent chance of asking the right
questions of the right people.

Many people confidently predict that what we are doing cannot be done.
My view is that it took 50 years for the campaign to end slavery in
the British Empire to come to fruition, and that I don't care whether
we can succeed tomorrow at something that must be done sooner or
later. And that doing it at a profit all around is the only way to do
it sooner.

http://www.laptop.org/ OLPC

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/ Sugar Labs

http://www.sarvodaya.org/ Sarvodaya Shramadana Movement

http://ipo.grameenphone.com/ Grameen Phone IPO

http://tedblog.typepad.com/tedblog/2006/10/iqbal_quadir_on.html Iqbal
Quadir on TEDTalks: The impact one cell phone can make on a village...

http://www.fantsuam.org/ Fantsuam

http://gnuveau.net/cgi-bin/wiki.cgi SolarNetOne Wiki

http://www.pih.org/ Partners in Health. See also Mountains Beyond
Mountains, by Tracy Kidder; Rx for Survival, PBS

http://www.echoupal.com/ ITC e-choupal program

Harvard Business School on e-choupal

http://harvardbusiness.org/product/itc-echoupal-initiative/an/604016-PDF-ENG
ITC eChoupal Initiative
by David M. Upton, Virginia A. Fuller
20 pages. Publication date: Oct 28, 2003. Prod. #: 604016-PDF-ENG

Soybean farmers in India have traditionally sold their product through
ineffective and frequently dishonest physical marketplaces (mandi).
Farmers are generally poor and often illiterate and are forced to be
"price-takers" after an arduous journey to the mandi. They also have
very limited access to information and education on farming
techniques. Describes the use of Internet technologies to reach these
farmers and, in particular, examines a new system called the eChoupal,
developed by the India...

http://search.hbs.edu:8765/sei/?qt=e-choupal
ITC e-Choupal: Corporate Social Responsibility in Rural India -
Harvard Business Publishing
Case ITC e-Choupal: Corporate Social Responsibility in Rural India by
Ali Farhoomand, Saurabh Bhatnagar 26 pages. Publication date: Jun 30,
2008. Prod. #: HKU765-HCB-ENG Set against the ...
http://harvardbusiness.org/product/itc-e-choupal-corporate-social-
responsibility-in-r/an/HKU765-HCB-ENG?Nao=4580

[PDF] ITC-eChoupal-Platform-Strategy on WRI.PDF
BSAP Conference, HBS Dec 1-3, 2005 ITC eChoupal ©Anupindi and
Sivakumar 1 ITC’s e-Choupal A Platform Strategy for Rural
Transformation Ravi Anupindi Stephen M. Ross School of Business
University of Michigan Ann Arbor,...
http://www.hbs.edu/socialenterprise/pdf/2-Anupindi&Sivakumar.pdf

Global Poverty Abstracts - Social Enterprise
Panel 4: Measuring Success at the Base of the Pyramid Panel 5: Civil
Society & Social Entrepreneurship Panel 6: Government Regulation &
Public-Private Partnerships Panel 7: Pre-conditions, Limitations & New
...
http://www.hbs.edu/socialenterprise/globalpoverty-abstracts.html

International Development with an MBA-twist - News
http://media.www.harbus.org/media/storage/paper343/news/2007/02/05/
News/International.Development.With.An.MbaTwist-2694605.shtml

Conference on Global Poverty: Business Solutions & Approaches - Social
Enterprise
A Conference on Global Poverty: Business Solutions and Approaches
December 1-3, 2005 Overview Panel Sessions An index and full text
version of conference abstracts, by panel, is available at Panel
Abstracts Home...
http://www.hbs.edu/socialenterprise/globalpoverty.html

[PDF] FindingMissingMarkets.v25
08-065 Copyright © 2008 by Nava Ashraf, Xavier Giné, and Dean Karlan
http://www.hbs.edu/research/pdf/08-065.pdf
--
Edward Mokurai (??/???????????????/????????????? ?) Cherlin
Silent Thunder is my name, and Children are my nation.
The Cosmos is my dwelling place, the Truth my destination.
http://earthtreasury.org/

Dear Pam, Wendi, and All,

Hello and thanks much for this notice, which I'm sending to HH because I think Wendi and AK could possibly benefit from this.

Wendi, dearest friend, thanks immensely for your lovely letter to me, posted here recently, and of course I will always be your loving and devoted friend!

I'm hoping you and we might think about this contest in terms of your artemisia business, and perhaps combine that with DIY Solar in some way.

Please think abt this, and I will try to get back soon to it as well. I'm hoping to be here more later this month, and then for the winter and spring.

Also, I'd be excited to see how this might work for the Kenyan women here, both those working on peace issues and those who are fishers, farmers, or in some other capacity trying to earn a livelihood.

With love and blessings to all, Janet

-----Forwarded Message-----
From: Pamela McLean
Sent: Nov 1, 2009 9:13 AM
To: learningfromeachother
Cc: john.dada@..., Cicely Brown , Nikki Fishman
Subject: [learningfromeachother] Fwd: A business plan competition for African Women Entrepreneurs



Relevant to anyone we know?
Pam

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Bas Vlugt <bas@...>
Date: 2009/10/31
Subject: A business plan competition for African Women Entrepreneurs
To: womenofafrica@...

To all Business Women of Africa,

 

I hope that you and your families are doing well.

 

The BID Network invites you to participate in the Women in Business Challenge:

 

A business plan competition for Women Entrepreneurs in Africa

 

Please follow this link to read more about this competition:

 

http://africabusinesswomen.ning.com/profiles/blogs/a-business-plan-competition

 

Best regards,

 

Bas Vlugt

AfricaNews - Africa Business Communities

 

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Pam,

I look forward to chatting with you and all at
http://www.worknets.org/chat/  on Thursday, November 5, 13.00 Nigerian
time, 15,00 Kenyan time, 12.00 GMT, London time.   (There's also a chat
on Saturday, too).

Yes, there's great ways how the same content could appear both at our
Worknets wiki and at the Dadamac website.  One example of how we do this
is that http://www.pyramidofpeace.net is edited at:
http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?PyramidOfPeaceTimeline
It would be great if we might think of Dadamac as a brand for certain
recommended knowledge and activities (like beekeeping) and experts (like
Sasha).

Franz mentioned Perl which is the programming language that ProWiki is
written in.  (He misspelled it "pearl" though).

Andrius Kulikauskas, Minciu Sodas, http://www.ms.lt, ms@...
-----------------------------------

Hi Andrius, Sasha and Franz

I am looking at how we bring various things together.

     * Beekeeping has come up at recent First Thursdays
     * Sasha is one of the people interested in it
     * Dadamac was working on Beekeeping last year related to Attachab -
       fact finding and planning - but no money to move things forward to
       pay trainer etc
     * Marcus Simmons knows  Attachab
     * Marcus Simmons is in Nigeria again now - his visit will help
       various things to move on.
     * We are trying to make Dadamac activities more visible via
       Dadamac.net (long slow job)
     * If the Dadamac beekeeping group restarts we will try to make
       updates available via Dadamac.net
     * Sasha has already collected up great information related to
       Beekeeing on the worknets wiki
     * We need to consider best way to make connections between his
       existing info and info relevant to the Dadamac beekeeping group,
       adn new info we will generate.
     * We do not want to duplicate effort
     * Dadamac and Minciu Sodas have a lot in common - we want to find
       the right working relationship so we complement each other and
       benefit from each others strengths.
     * Franz wrote recently on global villages ref pro-wiki and its great
       features
     * I'm expecting that soon www.dadamac.net <http://www.dadamac.net>
       will start to generate some collections of info that will be in
       the public domain
     * Such collections, as they grow, may well need organising in a wiki
       kind of way
     * We used a wiki when we did out first Teachers Talking work -
       unfortunately not under our control and removed without and
       warning - all info lost.
     * The wiki was a good place to put info - but - had we continued to
       develop it we would have wanted to develop some additional features.
     * Later we did some experiments with Moodle - and that influenced my
       thinking on how I will ultimately want to manipulate info that
       gets generated through Dadamac - but that is for another more
       detailed discussion later
     * If we get the right connection between Sasha's beekeeping wiki
       info and Dadamac group then I hope we will work in a similar close
       way ref info for other dadamac groups

I hope we can explore this through LFEO and First Thursday

Pam

--------------------------

Hi Andrius and Everyone

Next Thursday - November 5th is first Thursday of  the month again.  So
it's time for my usual invitation to you to join me in the chat room,
and my usual thanks to Andrius for making it possible.  All being well I
will be around for an hour as usual starting - 13.00 Nigerian time,
15,00 Kenyan time, 12.00 GMT

Please remember too that Saturday Nov 7th we will be back in the
chatroom for the annual Teachers Talking - self-directed Learners -
Dadamac celebration of how the Internet helps us to work together and
learn. 10.00 GMT. 11.00 Nigerian time. 13.00 East African Time. I hope
there will be some newcomers joining us from the UK as we will be at an
event called BarCampAfrica.  More details here
http://www.dadamac.net/node/80

There were many topics raised at the October First Thursday, and as a
result none of them were covered in sufficient depth. This list of the
topics is written from memory several weeks later so is probably
incomplete - but the discussion included:

     * Attracting expert volunteers
     * Beekeeping
     * Biochar
     * Fishfarming
     * Solar
     * Technical problems related to computers, phones and going online
     * Tourism
     * Water carts

Perhaps at the November meeting we can use that list as the starting
point for an agenda, and deal with each item in turn. We can also try to
include Any Other Business, where people can mention new topics. If you
can let me have your thoughts on this before First Thursday that would
help us to arrange things in a way that suits most people.

To enter the chat room go to  http://www.worknets .org/chat/ base/
<http://www.worknets.org/chat/base/>

Any problems or uncertainties about using the chat room please let me
know. Obviously the people who arrive know how to get there - but there
may be other people who need more help to find their way in. Please give
feedback here if there are any difficulties. We do not want anyone to be
left outside.

Pam

Hi Tiffany!

Yes, it would be great to talk.  Dreamfish keeps coming up and I'm glad
that Peter Kaminski, Mark Roest, Franz Nahrada and Sasha Mrkailo have
encouraged us to work with you and all at Dreamfish.  http://dreamfish.com

I note in particular your Dreamfish Humanifesto
http://dreamfish.com/about/dreamfish-humanifesto/
which resonates with our own values at Minciu Sodas and Worknets.  I
invite your thoughts on the Worknets Charter which I am likewise
drafting for a culture of independent thinkers:
http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Charter
I'm trying to express the minimum expectations for all to work together.

I'm also currently jumpstarting an "Economy of Dreams"
http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Dreams
http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Endeavors
http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Values
http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Tasks
a key part of which is staffing a "help room"
http://www.worknets.org/chat/
http://www.worknets.org/archive/
around the clock where people can get help on any matter, learn how to
use online tools, think and work out loud, help each other for free and
for pay, respond to emergencies, and join or organize global teams for
paid work.

I imagine there's many ways we might work together including:
* collecting and sharing our values, questions, endeavors, dreams, tasks,
* identifying strategic endeavors that benefit all of our endeavors,
* look for related prospects and approach them,
* organizing teams to do paid work,

We can "jam" on our differences and note what prevents us from working
together as we'd like to.  For example, your "humanifesto" is under a
"share alike" license which is incompatible with the Public Domain.
This means that we can't even upload a copy to our Public Domain venues
because that would be "building upon" your work and we'd have to use
your license.  I believe that we can work towards a shared culture, in
which case we have the chance to engage many other networks:
http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?CivilizationNetworks

I look forward to talking!

Andrius

Andrius Kulikauskas
Minciu Sodas
http://www.ms.lt
ms@...
+370 699 30003
skype: minciusodas


Tiffany Von Emmel wrote:
> Hi Andrius!
>
> I am writing to connect. I know of you through Peter Kaminski, whom I
> work with in Dreamfish, and recently through Mark Roest.
>
> I would enjoy a conversation with you. Would you like to chat by Skype
> this week?
>
> In peace,
>
> Tiff
>
> --
> Tiffany von Emmel
> skype: vonemmel
> twitter: @tiffanyvonemmel
> blog: http://vonemmel.com
>
> Dreamfish - We are a global work cooperative. We are building a
> thriving world of work for all. Entrepreneurs, change agents,
> independents, mentors, all are welcome. Swim with us.
> http://dreamfish.com   share @love2dreamfish:
> http://twitter.com/love2dreamfish
>

Janet,

Thank you for your encouragement which I share also and alert Wael Al
Saad.  For the Knight News Challenge I'm thinking I should focus on
Lithuania because I live here. http://www.helproom.org/proposal/

Janet, When you can, please think for us, what is your long-term dream
for your life?  That's very helpful to know for our "economy of dreams"
http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Dreams

Andrius

Andrius Kulikauskas
Minciu Sodas
http://www.ms.lt
ms@...

Janet Feldman wrote:
> Dear Andrius, Wael, Solana, and All,
>
> My apologies for continuing to be offline more than anticipated, and I will be
remembering to network Wael and Cameron soon. Wael, thanks too for your eloquent
and important letters! And Solana, thanks so much for your feedback to Andrius
abt Knight...very helpful (you're a desk unto yourself :))!
>
> I'm so sorry about this funding, but I hope you will apply for Knight funds,
with the specific geographic location of Palestine-Israel. In fact, you might
want to consider Palestine on its own, though I know there are intricate
linkages between the two that do need to be addressed by some programs and
projects.
>
> If you were to focus on what news would be important for Palestinians to have
locally (ie in a citizen-media initiative to focus on news Palestinians might
need), and then also what an international group could do to provide contacts,
networking, "answers" (to development questions et al) in a "help-desk" kind of
way, that might provide some invaluable assistance. Wael's development
ideas--being "local" in nature though applicable globally--could be one focus
for such help and activities.
>
> I think there are other grants or funding that might perhaps be obtained:  the
US Institute of Peace has grants, one a priority competition (I include this
because of a focus on Afghanistan as one priority country, Andrius) and the
other a general competition, which helps to fund projects like this one below.
See urls under that for more info. The deadline is in 2010, however, since all
of their 2009 grants have been given.
>
> Title:   Educating for Peace in Palestinian Schools
> Subject:   Regional Conflict-Middle East
> Applicant:   Holy Land Trust
> City:   Bethlehem,  State:   Palestine
> Project Director:   Sami Awad
> Grant Number:   USIP-011-07F  Amount:   $ 39,235  FY:   2008
> Start Date:   06/01/2008  End Date:   06/30/2009
> Description:   This project will be launched as a model project in five
marginalized schools for a 12 month period. Holy Land Trust will compile a
training manual that will be used to train 100 teachers (20 teachers per school)
during the summer vacation. Throughout the following school year, the training
team members will support the teachers by co-teaching and providing supervision.
Project staff will present the results of the pilot program to the Minister of
Education for replication in other marginalized schools in the West Bank.
>
>
> http://www.usip.org/grants-fellowships/priority-grant-competition
> http://www.usip.org/grants-fellowships/annual-grant-competition
>
> You could also try ANERA (American Near East Refugee Aid). I do not see
"grants" listed specifically, but introductions and networking could surely be
done, and perhaps some form of partnership might result. See
http://www.anera.org.
>
> Hopefully via searches and mailings, as well as word-of-mouth, we will come up
with other opportunities. This is such a crucial area of the world, with
important peace and humanitarian issues to address, that surely there is some
funding available!
>
> With all best wishes and blessings, Janet
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>
>
>
>
>> From: Andrius Kulikauskas <ms@...>
>> Sent: Oct 23, 2009 8:41 AM
>> To: fightingpeacefully@yahoogroups.com
>> Cc: Awne Abu Zant <awnevip@...>, minciu_sodas_AR@yahoogroups.com,
risingvoices@googlegroups.com, help group <holistichelping@yahoogroups.com>,
globalvillages@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [holistichelping] US MENA funding unavailable for Palestine
activities
>>
>> I was writing a proposal for the US funding opportunity "New Empowerment
>> Communication Technologies: Opportunities in the Middle East and North
>> Africa".  I was hoping to organize a global help room based in
>> Israeli-occupied Palestine, specifically, the West Bank.  I had a
>> successful stay there in 2006.  We have good connections with remarkable
>> people like Jafra-Wael Al Saad, Awne Abuzont, Alaa Youssef.  I believe
>> there's a real need and opportunity for Palestinians to look beyond
>> their own country and excel at giving help to others and not simply feel
>> helpless.  I imagine that Palestinian aspirations are a key to the
>> Middle East and to any "economy of dreams".
>>
>> I learned today that the West Bank and Gaza are not eligible for funding
>> http://mepi.state.gov/opportunities/130864.htm
>> "While applicants are welcome to propose projects or activities in the
>> West Bank and Gaza, funding is currently unavailable to support such
>> projects or activities."
>> This was clarified on October 20, just three days before the deadline!
>> At least it's made public.
>>
>> I confess that I thought this was an important opportunity with generous
>> funding that might have helped me personally.  I am sympathetic to the
>> need and opportunity in Palestine, but this opportunity depressed me in
>> a deep way.  I would like to organize a "culture of independent
>> thinkers" and an "economy of dreams" that addresses individuals' dreams
>> in simple ways.  I'm not attracted to heroic efforts in desperate
>> circumstances.  I'd like to work from Lithuania if I can.
>>
>> Palestinians and Israelis suffer hardships.  I think that it's
>> unfortunate that those who invest themselves to get interested and make
>> an effort to help, as I have in both Palestine and Israel, are left out
>>
> >from even the most supportive opportunity.
>
>> I think it's important to be supportive of "independent thinkers" that
>> we know in Palestine and Israel.  I know an entrepreneur in Palestine
>> for whom I might write a smaller proposal.  I encourage us to organize
>> around Jafra Wael Al Saad, he's at Social Agriculture
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/socialagriculture/ and elsewhere. He's in
>> Jenin, Palestine, organizing local groups for a sustainable economy.
>> globalpalestine AT googlemail.com
>>
>> Thank you to Janet Feldman for alerting us to this opportunity, which
>> otherwise is very exciting.  I appreciate help to find other such
>> opportunities around the world, especially to organize an online help
>> room as I'm proposing http://www.helproom.org/proposal/
>>
>> Andrius
>>
>> Andrius Kulikauskas
>> Minciu Sodas
>> http://www.ms.lt
>> ms@...
>> +370 699 30003
>> skype: minciusodas
>>
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

Josephat Ndibalema (Tanzania) and I invite us all to chat this Friday,
November 13, 2009 at November 13, 13.00 London time GMT, 14.00 Nigerian
time, 16.00 Kenyan time http://www.worknets.org/chat/   We're chatting
about creating e-books in Kiswahili for farmers.  Ricardo has worked
through how to publish text as images for viewing on DVD players,
digital cameras and mobile phones.  There are Kiswahili texts at
http://sw.wikipedia.org and http://swahili.food-security.info  Josephat
curates our own Kiswahili worknets wiki at http://www.worknets.org/sw/
where we can prepare our texts.  I can create a script to then convert
them for publication, including locally in Africa, because the resulting
image files are large.  As we get started, we can also devote some
resources to translating materials.

This is a straightforward project where we might all contribute our
talents, further our dreams, build shared momentum and share credit for
our achievements.  It would be great if Dadamac and Earth Treasury might
participate somehow.  Samwel Kongere is organizing a fish pond.  Graham
Knight has DIY Solar.  Tom Ochuka has built a water cart.  Ananya S Guha
is writing children's poems.  These are examples where Kiswahili
materials could spread ideas.

I also ask for help for our chat room as the center of a "help room".
This is key in my efforts so that Minciu Sodas and Worknets are viable,
can respond helpfully to everybody, can organize global teams for paid
work, and can further an "economy of dreams" where we work together to
advance the dreams of each and every one of us.

Fred Kayiwa has been coming often to our chat room
http://www.worknets.org where I have been training him how to help
online with various tasks http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Tasks such as
at our wiki.  Thank you also to Sasha Mrkailo and Kestutis Urba for
visiting often, too.  It's a great help if you can just log in and say
hi whenever you are online.  Maybe you can greet somebody.  And we'll
greet you and think how we can help you.  We're practicing how to help.
Please train now if you'd like to be part of our Minciu Sodas team for
paid work when I find more.

Fred Kayiwa has shown a lot of initiative and I have sent him 100 USD to
help this month.  He is studying accounting in college at Kampala and
that costs him 1200 USD per year.  He also has living expenses of about
50 USD per month and Internet expenses of 50 USD per month.  So his
costs are 200 USD per month and he has to study but he does quite a lot
for us part-time.  Most importantly, he's been most helpful.

Fred has to make his next payment of 300 USD for his studies and he asks
for help.

I'm inclined to support Fred and certainly I would send him another 100
USD per month to continue helping as we build momentum for our help
room.  But I truly should ask more of us for help.  And so I am!  My
purpose is to nurture a culture, and so I need a community.  Yes, we
could share the costs of Fred as an online assistant, and if you've ever
benefited from Minciu Sodas or would like to benefit, which might
include options on Fred's availability in the future, this is a very
helpful cause to dedicate money to.

But more importantly, I need people for our help room (and Fred) to
help.   So by simply coming to our chat room and learning how to be
helped, you'll be doing us a great help, even if we're working for your
for free.  In doing so, we're building assets in the Public Domain for
us and all to use.

Please do respond!

I will send Fred at least 100 USD but more if others show interest and
participate in our help room.

Andrius

Andrius Kulikauskas
Minciu Sodas
http://www.ms.lt
ms@...

kayiwa fred wrote:
> Hi Andrius and all,
> Although my budget  may be big this year, i have the urgent budget
> which needs to be covered this month and thats my balance of Tution
> which is $300
> i feel i can slowly look for the rest of the costs up to December if
> this $300 is covered because by the end of this month we start exams
> and no one does without completing the tuition
> I think this makes sense to ,you friends
> i feel this is the most Urgent one and i love doing urgent and very
> important things first
> Thanks a lot
> Fred

Josephat Ndibalema wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> Thanks Andrius for inviting us to participate in our chat on friday, i
> would like to take this opportunity to share some of my ideas which
> may sometimes guide us during our friday chat. Our focus is creating
> Kiswahili e-books for farmers in East and Central Africa where
> Kiswahili language is mostly spoken. e-books to provide information to
> help farmers in their efforts of adapting to climate change.
>
> The climate is changing and mitigation efforts to reduce the sources
> or enhance the sinks of green house house gases will take time.
> Adaptation is therefore critical and of concern in developing
> countries,particularly in Africa where vulnability is high because
> ability to adapt is low. Climate change is expected to affect food and
> water resources that are critical for livelihoods in Africa where much
> of the population especially the poor,rely on local supply systems
> that are sensitive to climate variation.
>
> As climate change intensifies through increased temperatures and
> precipitation, studies shows that most smallerholder farmers in
> Tanzania and other parts of africa with majority living in rural
> areas, are not adapting to global warming. Low level of technology and
> scarce of information on climate change are some of the major
> obstacles for the vast majority of African farmers in adapting to
> global warming.
>
> Let us identify materials to publish or translate
>
> Josephat Ndibalema
>
> --- On *Wed, 11/11/09, Andrius Kulikauskas /<ms@...>/* wrote:
>
>
>     From: Andrius Kulikauskas <ms@...>
>     Subject: [mendenyo] Friday chat with Josephat; Organizing around Fred
>     To: onereachinganother@yahoogroups.com, mendenyo@yahoogroups.com,
>     "learningfromeachother" <learningfromeachother@yahoogroups.com>,
>     "help group" <holistichelping@yahoogroups.com>
>     Received: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 8:56 AM
>
>
>     Josephat Ndibalema (Tanzania) and I invite us all to chat this
>     Friday,
>     November 13, 2009 at November 13, 13.00 London time GMT, 14.00
>     Nigerian
>     time, 16.00 Kenyan time http://www.worknets .org/chat/
>     <http://www.worknets.org/chat/> We're chatting
>     about creating e-books in Kiswahili for farmers. Ricardo has worked
>     through how to publish text as images for viewing on DVD players,
>     digital cameras and mobile phones. There are Kiswahili texts at
>     http://sw.wikipedia .org <http://sw.wikipedia.org/> and
>     http://swahili. food-security. info
>     <http://swahili.food-security.info/> Josephat
>     curates our own Kiswahili worknets wiki at http://www.worknets
>     .org/sw/ <http://www.worknets.org/sw/>
>     where we can prepare our texts. I can create a script to then convert
>     them for publication, including locally in Africa, because the
>     resulting
>     image files are large. As we get started, we can also devote some
>     resources to translating materials.
>
>     This is a straightforward project where we might all contribute our
>     talents, further our dreams, build shared momentum and share
>     credit for
>     our achievements. It would be great if Dadamac and Earth Treasury
>     might
>     participate somehow. Samwel Kongere is organizing a fish pond. Graham
>     Knight has DIY Solar. Tom Ochuka has built a water cart. Ananya S
>     Guha
>     is writing children's poems. These are examples where Kiswahili
>     materials could spread ideas.
>
>     I also ask for help for our chat room as the center of a "help room".
>     This is key in my efforts so that Minciu Sodas and Worknets are
>     viable,
>     can respond helpfully to everybody, can organize global teams for
>     paid
>     work, and can further an "economy of dreams" where we work
>     together to
>     advance the dreams of each and every one of us.
>
>     Fred Kayiwa has been coming often to our chat room
>     http://www.worknets .org <http://www.worknets.org/> where I have
>     been training him how to help
>     online with various tasks http://www.worknets ..org/wiki.
>     cgi?Tasks <http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Tasks> such as
>     at our wiki. Thank you also to Sasha Mrkailo and Kestutis Urba for
>     visiting often, too. It's a great help if you can just log in and say
>     hi whenever you are online. Maybe you can greet somebody. And we'll
>     greet you and think how we can help you. We're practicing how to
>     help.
>     Please train now if you'd like to be part of our Minciu Sodas team
>     for
>     paid work when I find more.
>
>     Fred Kayiwa has shown a lot of initiative and I have sent him 100
>     USD to
>     help this month. He is studying accounting in college at Kampala and
>     that costs him 1200 USD per year. He also has living expenses of
>     about
>     50 USD per month and Internet expenses of 50 USD per month. So his
>     costs are 200 USD per month and he has to study but he does quite
>     a lot
>     for us part-time. Most importantly, he's been most helpful.
>
>     Fred has to make his next payment of 300 USD for his studies and
>     he asks
>     for help.
>
>     I'm inclined to support Fred and certainly I would send him
>     another 100
>     USD per month to continue helping as we build momentum for our help
>     room. But I truly should ask more of us for help. And so I am! My
>     purpose is to nurture a culture, and so I need a community. Yes, we
>     could share the costs of Fred as an online assistant, and if
>     you've ever
>     benefited from Minciu Sodas or would like to benefit, which might
>     include options on Fred's availability in the future, this is a very
>     helpful cause to dedicate money to.
>
>     But more importantly, I need people for our help room (and Fred) to
>     help. So by simply coming to our chat room and learning how to be
>     helped, you'll be doing us a great help, even if we're working for
>     your
>     for free. In doing so, we're building assets in the Public Domain for
>     us and all to use.
>
>     Please do respond!
>
>     I will send Fred at least 100 USD but more if others show interest
>     and
>     participate in our help room.
>
>     Andrius
>
>     Andrius Kulikauskas
>     Minciu Sodas
>     http://www.ms. lt <http://www.ms.lt/>
>     ms@... <http://ca.mc1101.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ms%40ms.lt>
>
>     kayiwa fred wrote:
>     > Hi Andrius and all,
>     > Although my budget may be big this year, i have the urgent budget
>     > which needs to be covered this month and thats my balance of Tution
>     > which is $300
>     > i feel i can slowly look for the rest of the costs up to
>     December if
>     > this $300 is covered because by the end of this month we start
>     exams
>     > and no one does without completing the tuition
>     > I think this makes sense to ,you friends
>     > i feel this is the most Urgent one and i love doing urgent and very
>     > important things first
>     > Thanks a lot
>     > Fred
>
>
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Hi Charles,

Minciu Sodas is for serving and organizing independent thinkers around
the world.  http://www.ms.lt  If you'd like to participate, then please
know that we include you and engage you as an individual, not as a
group, and not as a charity, but as a person who can grow and help us
all grow.  Here are some questions:

What is your deepest value in life, which includes all your other values?

What is a question that you don't know the answer to, but with to answer?

What would you like to achieve?

What is your dream in life for your future?

I invite you to join us at Samwel Kongere's working group Mendenyo
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mendenyo/
send a blank message to mendenyo-subcribe@yahoogroups.com or let me know
and I will subscribe you.

Do you know Tom Ochuka in Kisumu? Are you working together?
http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Kisumu

I invite you to join us at our chat room http://www.worknets.org/chat/
and write more about yourself.  We have a chat on Friday, November 13 at
16:00 East African time, 13:00 London time with Josephat Ndibalema about
e-books in Kiswahili for small farmers.

Andrius

Andrius Kulikauskas
Minciu Sodas
http://www.ms.lt
ms@...

charles aboge wrote:
> I am interested you  can visit us online at www.unesco.co.uk for kisumu
Children Centre and School .We remember Janet Fiedman for her wonderful support
to the project at the time Kenya faced genocide
> charles Aboge
> Tel +254-0735-195-156
> charles_aboge@...
>
We members of Kisumu Children Centre and School in kisumu
City,Kenya wish all global village members a Happy Christmas
and lucky New Year .We appreciate your past support to our
project.Kindly visit us online at www.unesco.co.uk. Visits
by appointment on Tel +254-0735-195-156 Project Director Mr
Charles Aboge.We appeal for material and financial support
even a US dollar.

Eric Wanjamah,

How are you doing? Are you in Missouri?  Have you connected with Marcin
Jakubowski of Factor E Farm http://www.factorefarm.org

Are you working with prisons?  Dennis Kimambo of REPACTED is working on
community theatre in the prisons, especially for HIV/AIDS.  They do
impressive work.

I'm collecting our dreams in life, what we would like for our future, in
an ideal world that we might wish for and create together.  What is your
dream in life?
http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Dreams

Andrius Kulikauskas
Minciu Sodas
http://www.ms.lt
ms@...


ERIC WANJAMAH wrote:
> Hi Andrius,
>
> I sent the claims form to Italy about a week ago and hope you get
> reimbursed
>
> I apologize for the delay, so much been going on with my school and
> part time work.
>
> In terms of the Lab, what should I look for in the coming months?
>
> Eric

Monday I spoke with Tiffany Von Emmel of Dreamfish.  I've joined the
Dreamfish group
http://groups.google.com/group/dreamfish/
and also signed up Tiffany for Janet Feldman's working group Holistic
Helping
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/holistichelping/
Thank you to Peter Kaminski, Mark Roest, Sasha Mrkailo and Franz Nahrada
for encouraging us!  Thank you also to Edward Cherlin for linking me
with Bill Daul, also in Silicon Valley and in the Dreamfish group.

In 1998, I founded Minciu Sodas http://www.ms.lt  an online laboratory
for independent thinkers around the world.  I also lead Worknets
http://www.worknets.org  a culture of independent thinkers.  We have
some people in common with Dreamfish, and also many values and dreams.
See, for example, the Dreamfish Humanifesto:
http://dreamfish.com/about/dreamfish-humanifesto/
and the Worknets charter
http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Charter

I'm looking forward to our networks working together.  Dreamfish is
strong in Silicon Valley, which is the center of the world of our
future.  I live in Lithuania and Minciu Sodas is strong there and also
Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda; the UK and Austria; and participants in Serbia,
the US, India and other countries.

We both have a culture of working for free on our own projects and
organizing teams for paid work.   I appreciate working together to
expand these opportunities.

We're both active in organizing online infrastructure.  Minciu Sodas has
about 20 mildly active working groups (email lists, see:
http://www.ms.lt), a mildly active wiki (http://www.worknets.org ) and
mildy active chat room (http://www.worknets.org/chat/
http://www.worknets.org/archive/ )

Recent achievements / clients include:
* http://www.pyramidofpeace.net  organizing 100 peacemaker on-the-ground
and 100 online assistants to avert genocide in Kenya
* http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?MornflakeOutreach 6,000 GBP of work
to create a directory of 500 UK online communities and engage about 70
of them on behalf of Leon Benjamin http://www.winningbysharing.net and
Mornflake cereal's video contest http://www.mornflakecompetition.com
* http://www.myfoodstory.info  We collected 2,000 food stories for Greg
Wolff of Unamesa Association
* http://www.includer.org I won a $15,000 Knight News Challenge Award to
blog about a proposed device (the Includer) for Africans with marginal
Internet access, but see Ricardo's work
http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Ricardo for our real achievements

We organize ourselves in terms of people and their answers to questions
(here are Tiffany's):
* Do you have a deepest value in life which includes all of your other
values?  "Connection, healing the fragmentation that exists on all
levels, shifting from control to participation"   (See answers from 500
people at http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Values )
* What is a question that you don't know the answer to, but wish to
answer?  "Who can work as a partner with me? act as Dreamfish's
operation leader?"
* What would you like to achieve?  (Dreamfish? see our
http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Endeavors )
* What is your dream in life? "Our earth and all its people practice
love moment by moment. Facilitating the practice of love and how we are
together. Help <http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Help> people in a state
of transition follow their aliveness and realize what they are becoming.
That needs to happen in the gap between what we know and what is
emerging. I'm really good at helping people practice that and helping
people come to their dreams." http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Dreams

If you share your answers, then I will post them at our wiki!  and
you're welcome to create pages there.

Minciu Sodas / Worknets venues are explicitly in the Public Domain by
default.  That means that the current Dreamfish wiki's "sharealike"
license clashes with ours and prohibits us from including ("building
on") your work.  I hope you might also work in the Public Domain as it
allows for sharing most freely and encourages "using your own best
judgement".  That would allow me to invest myself in the Dreamfish wiki,
the Dreamfish venues and encourage others likewise.

Tiffany and I look forward to discovering endeavors and tasks where it's
natural for us to work together.  Here are some:
* Currently, I'm organizing an "economy of dreams" so that we might
learn to support each other's dreams directly and rely less on money.
We can collect our dreams and look for connections:
http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Dreams
* I'm trying to staff an online help room http://www.worknets.org/chat/
where people can get response, get help on any matter at any time.
(Dreamfish has a nice chat room!)  I'm looking for a new technology
(because ARSC is open source but no longer maintained) that would
include a web based client but also link with IRC clients, Yahoo, Skype,
etc. and that we could enhance (code what we need such as an archive and
integration with our websites).
* We need tasks that our online assistants like Fred Kayiwa in Uganda
could help with.  $200 per month is enough for Fred's studies and
living, but most of all, we need meaningful online tasks that I can
teach him to do for us and he can train others.  See:
http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?Tasks
* We would gladly host a chat on a Dreamfish topic.  Friday, November
13, 5:00 am California time (too early!) we'll be chatting with Josephat
Ndibalema about publishing e-books in Kiswahili for small farmers to
view on DVD players, mobile phones, digital cameras.
* In Lithuania, we're part of a national idea movement, and some of
those include economic literacy.
* Franz Nahrada in Austria is a leader in the global villages movement,
including developing the use of video bridges, as with Alan Lundell in
the Santa Cruz area.
* Edward Cherlin leads our work to create open source textbooks, and I'm
interested to create lessons in ethics (of our new culture) and
mathematical thinking (which I'll try to link to ethics).
* I've become active as an artist
http://www.flickr.com/photos/50525222@N00/ and next spring we're
organizing an art project "Land of Dreamers" where we'll collect
people's dreams around the world, and creatively express them together,
and try to integrate them all.  We're active in the Uzhupis Republic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uzupis
* Zenonas Anusauskas leads an Internet television station
http://www.internetinetv.lt  I live with his family.  With his
encouragement, I created my first philosophical video "I Wish to Know"
http://ms.lt/IWishToKnow about my lifelong quest to know everything and
apply that knowledge usefully.
* I look forward to delving into Tiffany's philosophical thinking:
http://www.socialtext.net/vonemmel/index.cgi?papers_book_chapters_and_presentati\
ons

I look forward to learning to work together!  Our success and our
discoveries would be a great encouragement to many other networks:
http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?CivilizationNetworks

Thank you to all who are connecting us!

Andrius

Andrius Kulikauskas
Minciu Sodas
http://www.ms.lt
ms@...

Bill Daul wrote:
> Hello Andrius...thanks Ed for the introduction...a little to late in
> the night for a coherent response but wanted to at least say hello!
>
> I look forward to hearing about Minciu Sodas.
>
>
> --bill
>
> On Nov 4, 2009, at 12:31 PM, Edward Cherlin wrote:
>
>> You two should know about each other's work. You both collect active
>> thinkers in Next Now and Minciu Sodas.
>>
>> --
>> Edward Mokurai
(默雷/धर�ममेघशब�दगर�ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر
ج) Cherlin
>> Silent Thunder is my name, and Children are my nation.
>> The Cosmos is my dwelling place, the Truth my destination.
>> http://www.earthtreasury.org/
>
> --
>
> *Bill Daul*
>
> Chief Collaboration Officer
> *NextNow Collaboratory*:  a synergistic web of relationships focused
> on transforming the present
>
> http://www.human-landscaping.com/nextnow
> http://www.nextnow.net <http://www.nextnow.net/>  -- NN Network Blog
> http://www.nextnow.org <http://www.nextnow.org/>  -- NN Collaboratory Blog
>
> ==================================
>
> "Play with boundaries, not within."
>

Dear all,
  Step by step water cart design is getting Ready,Rich  is doing it ,much thanks
in relation to this sorry it had taken much time because of Rich Dad passing on
,
Rich you have recovered from all the challenges now wwe can pick up from the
bits we started to do.
Thanks Andrius ,i would like to give more on the progress,
Thanks.
Tom Ochuka

Hi

I am creating a birthday calendar of all my friends and family.  Can you please
click on the link below to enter your birthday for me?

http://www.birthdayalarm.com/bd2/85885946a4222411b1485108530c248127020d905

Thanks,
Collins

I wrote this letter to members of COMMUNIA http://www.communia-project.eu
the European Union's thematic network for the Public Domain. Do we know
who in Vienna, Austria or elsewhere might be interested in doing with us
such an art show of our dreams-in-life, as I describe below?  Andrius
-----------------

I share news about my recent work in the arts.  I ask if other COMMUNIA
members might like to work together?  Might we do that in a COMMUNIA
context?

My laboratory, Minciu Sodas, is a business working in the Public Domain.
We encourage our participants to work for free, openly, in the Public
Domain, on their own projects, and we provide them with free service.  We
help each other, get to know each other and then organize global teams for
paid work.  Most recently we worked for a London advertising agency, The
Law Firm, on behalf of Mornflake cereal.

I want to develop an "economy of dreams", an internal economy where we
help each other.  What are our dreams in life?  Can we support each other
directly, instead of through money?  Art is a helpful way of expressing
our dreams and integrating them.  The Public Domain makes such integration
possible.

December is Human Rights Month.  UNESCO is funding the Human Rights
Monitoring Institute (in Vilnius, Lithuania) to organize a series of
events.  I'm leading one such event, an art project "May I dream?" at the
fourth floor of the shopping center at Gedimino 9, which recently was
dedicated as a "co-working hub".  November 30 is the opening and for about
three weeks we'll be collecting people's dreams and creating artwork to
express them and integrate them.  This includes life-size paintings of
"dreamers" flying about and participating in various scenarios.  These
"dreamers" can be moved about and reorganized.  Their faces can be removed
so people can show their own faces and make photographs.  Adults and
children can add their own drawings.  All the works will be stamped "My
creative work is everybody's treasure".  Here are photos of the space and
some sketches:
http://www.ms.lt/lt/wiki.cgi?SvajonÄ—s

We're already discussing how to extend and expand this exhibit.  One
political party is interested to support this and I imagine that
businesses and other institutions might likewise.  January 17-28 I and
others will be traveling to Vienna, Austria to participate in Franz
Nahrada's Grundtvig workshop on the use of video communications in the
rural areas, including the creation of content in the Public Domain.  I'm
hoping that we might find a partner there with whom we might show part of
our exhibit and build it further and perhaps leave it there to travel
onwards.

I invite COMMUNIA partners to consider, Would you like to join us?

Also, might the Istanbul or Torino meeting organizers like to include such
an art exhibit or link us with partners who might like to organize one
together?

If there are other COMMUNIA partners who are interested, then perhaps we
could work through one of the working groups such as the Public Sector
working group (is it active?) or the Business working group (because of
the role that art can play in organizing an "economy of dreams" where we
help each other achieve our dreams directly).

Given interest, it would be great to organize a working group meeting in
Austria or Lithuania or elsewhere.  One related output could be thinking
through (and illustrating) the various values that are relevant for a
thriving Public Domain, such as sharing, openness, sensitivity, good
judgment, respect, acknowledgment.

I'm writing from an EU Grundtvig (adult education) partnership meeting in
Tallinn, Estonia.  Our group is working on a learning partnership proposal
on this topic "Adult Learning Starts With Dreaming" and it's going well,
so I'm encouraged.  The Public Domain is key as we'll be organizing such
art exhibits in each of our countries and sharing works so that they
integrate, reintegrate and travel further.  This is for all kinds of
creative people, whether "professionally trained artist" or "naive artist"
or child or adult.

I am very excited if others might be interested to work together!

Andrius

Andrius Kulikauskas
Minciu Sodas
http://www.ms.lt
ms@...
+370 699 30003

Thank you to Fred Kayiwa, Sasha Mrkailo, Kiyavilo Msekwa, Kestutis Urba
and others for frequenting our chat room http://www.worknets.org/chat/
which is key for our "help room" and "economy of dreams".

Today Ramadhan of Tanzania came by to ask about Marcin Jakubowski's
Compressed Earth Block press and so I gave a bit of information.
Josephat, do you know Ramadhan's email address?   Andrius Kulikauskas,
Minciu Sodas, http://www.ms.lt, ms@...

----------------------------------

Ramadhan: Thanks you Jasephat for up dating me about the Earth Block
machine :: I would like to know how much does that machine cost

AndriusKulikauskas: Hi Ramadhan good to see you here. :: Hi Sasha,
here's a poster I'm making "May I Dream?" for Human Rights Month based
on a painting I made of Ana Ilic.
http://www.worknets.org/upload/images/20091124-argaliusvajotiplakatas.jpg
:: Ramadhan, here is Marcin Jakubowski who makes the Compressed Earth
Block press: http://openfarmtech.org/weblog/ :: tweet: Ramadhan, here
are their pages for their CEB machine:
http://openfarmtech.org/weblog/?cat=13 :: Ramadhan, here is their email:
OpenSourceEcology AT gmail.com

Ramadhan: thanks Andrius the Block information is verry important here
in Africa for Low cost house project :: Andrius We are engage in
agriculture projects here in Tanzania, but we are facing with difficult
of timing the rain, and as you know have great Climatic change facing
the world. We would like to aquired the Rin water harvest technology.
Can you help me with the information regarding the rain water harvesting

Kiyavilo: Hi Andrius, I just want to let you know that I have received
the Microchip PIC JDM Programmer kit :: tweet: Microchip PIC JDM
Programmer Kit

Hi Janet! Great to hear from you!

December 3 is Pamela's "First Thursday" and she has a chat on that day,
typically at 12.00 noon London time, 13.00 Nigerian time, 15.00 Kenyan
time and usually for one hour.  She might be interested to merge hers
with yours.  Or perhaps one chat might lead into the other.  Otherwise,
you're free to choose a time.  Thank you for using our chat room, it's a
great help towards building momentum for an all-purpose "help room".

I share our letters with Pamela's group Learning From Each Other and
your group Holistic Helping so we might plan.  Ricardo, Josephat,
Zoneziwoh and I and others are interested in helping make available the
Blogging Positively Guide in "ebooks" in local languages.  Do you have
the text and pictures in Microsoft Word or similar format so they can be
easily copied and pasted into a different format (it can be hard to
strip them from a PDF file)?

I'm looking for work for me and our lab. (Thank you for helping!)  I
seem to be having the most success with art.  In December, I will be
focusing on an unpaid art exhibit "May I dream?" at the Gedimino 9
shopping center in Vilnius, Lithuania on the fourth floor where there is
a co-working hub.  The exhibit is part of UNESCO's human right month
activities.  The space is great as there are more than 100 meters of
glass rails that can be viewed from lower floors as well, see:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/50525222@N00/
And you can also see some sketches that I've made of my own dreams.  I
will be collecting our dreams, helping us express them creatively and
integrating them.

I invite us all to dream, to write down our dreams-in-life (our goals,
wishes, aspirations) and express them in various forms.  I will gladly
include them in this exhibit if they are in the Public Domain for all to
share and build on.  This is important for our "economy of dreams" so
that we can understand each other and help each other profoundly without
always relying on money.   This might also be a topic for "blogging
positively" because we can collect dreams from people around the world,
including those living with HIV/AIDS, and that's very relevant for human
rights month.

Andrius

Andrius Kulikauskas
Minciu Sodas
http://www.ms.lt
ms@...
+370 699 30003

Janet Feldman wrote:
> Hello Dear Andrius,
>
> Thanks so much for all of your wonderful work and postings, as usual,
> and please know that I am trying to follow as much as I can of the
> forum activities (HH and others). I'm hoping to be more present during
> the winter and spring, before all of the outdoor work starts again
> (and even then, there should not be as much to do as this year).
>
> I and we at RV-GV are trying to pull together some WAD activities,
> including a chat, and I was thinking abt Dec 3 as a possible time, or
> perhaps the 2nd or 4th as alternatives. I think most people will be
> busy for Dec 1 itself. One of the main topics would be the Blogging
> Positively Guide.
>
> I mentioned to Solana and David something abt the "translation"
> project that you, Ricardo, and others are doing, and thought that
> might be a possible discussion topic, ie asking people what formats
> would be useful for the Guide, and having you and others give feedback
> on that. Would that interest you?
>
> Would the Worknets chat space be available then?  I hope so!
>
> I'll close for now with greatest thanks and appreciation, and look
> forward to hearing from you! Love and blessings, Janet
>
> ps I wrote to you privately because I'd like to save a public posting
> for when we have concrete details for the chat and other events.
>
>

Just a quick note. Please do not use microsoft word. There is no need to use
such software since there are free and open applications which can be used
instead. Like open office for example.

Sasha

--- In holistichelping@yahoogroups.com, Andrius Kulikauskas <ms@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Janet! Great to hear from you!
>
> December 3 is Pamela's "First Thursday" and she has a chat on that day,
> typically at 12.00 noon London time, 13.00 Nigerian time, 15.00 Kenyan
> time and usually for one hour.  She might be interested to merge hers
> with yours.  Or perhaps one chat might lead into the other.  Otherwise,
> you're free to choose a time.  Thank you for using our chat room, it's a
> great help towards building momentum for an all-purpose "help room".
>
> I share our letters with Pamela's group Learning From Each Other and
> your group Holistic Helping so we might plan.  Ricardo, Josephat,
> Zoneziwoh and I and others are interested in helping make available the
> Blogging Positively Guide in "ebooks" in local languages.  Do you have
> the text and pictures in Microsoft Word or similar format so they can be
> easily copied and pasted into a different format (it can be hard to
> strip them from a PDF file)?
>
> I'm looking for work for me and our lab. (Thank you for helping!)  I
> seem to be having the most success with art.  In December, I will be
> focusing on an unpaid art exhibit "May I dream?" at the Gedimino 9
> shopping center in Vilnius, Lithuania on the fourth floor where there is
> a co-working hub.  The exhibit is part of UNESCO's human right month
> activities.  The space is great as there are more than 100 meters of
> glass rails that can be viewed from lower floors as well, see:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/50525222@N00/
> And you can also see some sketches that I've made of my own dreams.  I
> will be collecting our dreams, helping us express them creatively and
> integrating them.
>
> I invite us all to dream, to write down our dreams-in-life (our goals,
> wishes, aspirations) and express them in various forms.  I will gladly
> include them in this exhibit if they are in the Public Domain for all to
> share and build on.  This is important for our "economy of dreams" so
> that we can understand each other and help each other profoundly without
> always relying on money.   This might also be a topic for "blogging
> positively" because we can collect dreams from people around the world,
> including those living with HIV/AIDS, and that's very relevant for human
> rights month.
>
> Andrius
>
> Andrius Kulikauskas
> Minciu Sodas
> http://www.ms.lt
> ms@...
> +370 699 30003
>
> Janet Feldman wrote:
> > Hello Dear Andrius,
> >
> > Thanks so much for all of your wonderful work and postings, as usual,
> > and please know that I am trying to follow as much as I can of the
> > forum activities (HH and others). I'm hoping to be more present during
> > the winter and spring, before all of the outdoor work starts again
> > (and even then, there should not be as much to do as this year).
> >
> > I and we at RV-GV are trying to pull together some WAD activities,
> > including a chat, and I was thinking abt Dec 3 as a possible time, or
> > perhaps the 2nd or 4th as alternatives. I think most people will be
> > busy for Dec 1 itself. One of the main topics would be the Blogging
> > Positively Guide.
> >
> > I mentioned to Solana and David something abt the "translation"
> > project that you, Ricardo, and others are doing, and thought that
> > might be a possible discussion topic, ie asking people what formats
> > would be useful for the Guide, and having you and others give feedback
> > on that. Would that interest you?
> >
> > Would the Worknets chat space be available then?  I hope so!
> >
> > I'll close for now with greatest thanks and appreciation, and look
> > forward to hearing from you! Love and blessings, Janet
> >
> > ps I wrote to you privately because I'd like to save a public posting
> > for when we have concrete details for the chat and other events.
> >
> >
>

Hello Dear Andrius and All,

Thanks so much for your enthusiastic reply, and I love the idea of collecting
people's dreams, both as a general activity, and also with specific reference to
people living with HIV/AIDS.

This dovetails with an RV-GV conversation on collecting the stories of people
living with HIV/AIDS, so that could be a discussion topic (ie a project to
collect stories and dreams, linked to blogging). We might be able to get a grant
for such an endeavor, from Knight or a related donor.

I have always been a "dreamer"--in several senses of that word--and look forward
to exploring that further, both my own dreams and with others who share theirs.

I would be excited to consider a project on this subject in linkage with
ActALIVE! In fact, you--as a member of ActALIVE--could propose such a project,
and we could work on that together! We could use the ActALIVE website, and/or
create one specifically for this purpose. Would you be interested (Andrius and
others)?

After WAD I will cycle back and respond to these wonderful ideas and
possibilities in more detail (including my dreams related to the economy of
dreams). In some ways this dovetails with the "culture" ruminations I would also
like to contribute (sorry for the delay in doing so, but perhaps the more
expansive framework will render them even more fantastical:)).

I will be eager to make use of the chatroom for ongoing conversations on the BP
project, and would be equally delighted to do some ActALIVE-focused chats. We
could have chats on the ideas we've been sharing related to dreams!

On the chat next week, I need to make it for a time that is best for me, which
is 11am EST. Is that OK for you, Andrius, and could others join us? I would love
to do a "blended" chat with Pam sometime (who is also an ActALIVE member, as is
Fred, Zoneziwoh, Dennis, Wendi, Ken O, Rachel...and I hope Tom O will be soon
too!), esp if there is an interest that she and John might have to focus on
blogging to address HIV/AIDS.

Pam, John, and anyone else, any feedback on this is gratefully welcomed! I would
love Ricardo to attend this particular chat, and get more involved--if
interested--in these activities generally.

I would also be esp delighted if Jeff, Mark, and Joy could join us!! Jeff and
Joy are ActALIVE members, Joy has been a board member of ActALIVE, and Mark
would be "simpatico", I think.

It would be invaluable if Ricardo, Josephat, Zoneziwoh, and others could help
translate the Blogging Positively Guide into local languages, and/or formats
that could be widely used and disseminated.

I wrote my version of the Guide in Word, but that was edited by David, myself,
and a couple others, so I do not have the finished product in another format
than PDF. However, David S. might, and what Sasha has just posted is also worth
thinking about. Can a PDF be converted into an open-source doc fairly easily?

I will close for now with the chat time definitely set for Dec 3 at 11am--unless
there are major objections--and I will start advertising that far and wide. Does
all the info from previous chats remain the same? I can use the same text for
time-conversion et al, if so.

I will not do this now until late tomorrow night or Fri am, because of the
holiday here, so if there are any last-minute considerations, please let me
know. Otherwise will crank up those networking engines, and am sure another
invaluable chat will be had by all!

With greatest blessings and infinite appreciation, Janet

-----Original Message-----
>From: Andrius Kulikauskas <ms@...>
>Sent: Nov 25, 2009 2:52 AM
>To: Janet Feldman <kaippg@...>, help group
<holistichelping@yahoogroups.com>, learningfromeachother
<learningfromeachother@yahoogroups.com>, Pamela McLean <pam54321@...>
>Subject: Re: Blogging Positively:  Possible Chat Next Week...Can We Use
Worknets?
>
>Hi Janet! Great to hear from you!
>
>December 3 is Pamela's "First Thursday" and she has a chat on that day,
>typically at 12.00 noon London time, 13.00 Nigerian time, 15.00 Kenyan
>time and usually for one hour.  She might be interested to merge hers
>with yours.  Or perhaps one chat might lead into the other.  Otherwise,
>you're free to choose a time.  Thank you for using our chat room, it's a
>great help towards building momentum for an all-purpose "help room".
>
>I share our letters with Pamela's group Learning From Each Other and
>your group Holistic Helping so we might plan.  Ricardo, Josephat,
>Zoneziwoh and I and others are interested in helping make available the
>Blogging Positively Guide in "ebooks" in local languages.  Do you have
>the text and pictures in Microsoft Word or similar format so they can be
>easily copied and pasted into a different format (it can be hard to
>strip them from a PDF file)?
>
>I'm looking for work for me and our lab. (Thank you for helping!)  I
>seem to be having the most success with art.  In December, I will be
>focusing on an unpaid art exhibit "May I dream?" at the Gedimino 9
>shopping center in Vilnius, Lithuania on the fourth floor where there is
>a co-working hub.  The exhibit is part of UNESCO's human right month
>activities.  The space is great as there are more than 100 meters of
>glass rails that can be viewed from lower floors as well, see:
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/50525222@N00/
>And you can also see some sketches that I've made of my own dreams.  I
>will be collecting our dreams, helping us express them creatively and
>integrating them.
>
>I invite us all to dream, to write down our dreams-in-life (our goals,
>wishes, aspirations) and express them in various forms.  I will gladly
>include them in this exhibit if they are in the Public Domain for all to
>share and build on.  This is important for our "economy of dreams" so
>that we can understand each other and help each other profoundly without
>always relying on money.   This might also be a topic for "blogging
>positively" because we can collect dreams from people around the world,
>including those living with HIV/AIDS, and that's very relevant for human
>rights month.
>
>Andrius
>
>Andrius Kulikauskas
>Minciu Sodas
>http://www.ms.lt
>ms@...
>+370 699 30003
>
>Janet Feldman wrote:
>> Hello Dear Andrius,
>>
>> Thanks so much for all of your wonderful work and postings, as usual,
>> and please know that I am trying to follow as much as I can of the
>> forum activities (HH and others). I'm hoping to be more present during
>> the winter and spring, before all of the outdoor work starts again
>> (and even then, there should not be as much to do as this year).
>>
>> I and we at RV-GV are trying to pull together some WAD activities,
>> including a chat, and I was thinking abt Dec 3 as a possible time, or
>> perhaps the 2nd or 4th as alternatives. I think most people will be
>> busy for Dec 1 itself. One of the main topics would be the Blogging
>> Positively Guide.
>>
>> I mentioned to Solana and David something abt the "translation"
>> project that you, Ricardo, and others are doing, and thought that
>> might be a possible discussion topic, ie asking people what formats
>> would be useful for the Guide, and having you and others give feedback
>> on that. Would that interest you?
>>
>> Would the Worknets chat space be available then?  I hope so!
>>
>> I'll close for now with greatest thanks and appreciation, and look
>> forward to hearing from you! Love and blessings, Janet
>>
>> ps I wrote to you privately because I'd like to save a public posting
>> for when we have concrete details for the chat and other events.
>>
>>
>

Janet, Yes! I look forward to joining you and all for the "blogging
postively" chat at http://www.worknets.org/chat/ on Dec 3, 11 am EST,
which is 4pm UK and Nigeria-5pm, Lithuania-6pm,Kenya-Uganda 7pm and
double check at http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/  I look forward
also to dreaming with ActAlive. Let's crank up the networking engines!
Andrius Kulikauskas

Janet Feldman wrote:
> Hello Dear Andrius and All,
>
> Thanks so much for your enthusiastic reply, and I love the idea of collecting
people's dreams, both as a general activity, and also with specific reference to
people living with HIV/AIDS.
>
> This dovetails with an RV-GV conversation on collecting the stories of people
living with HIV/AIDS, so that could be a discussion topic (ie a project to
collect stories and dreams, linked to blogging). We might be able to get a grant
for such an endeavor, from Knight or a related donor.
>
> I have always been a "dreamer"--in several senses of that word--and look
forward to exploring that further, both my own dreams and with others who share
theirs.
>
> I would be excited to consider a project on this subject in linkage with
ActALIVE! In fact, you--as a member of ActALIVE--could propose such a project,
and we could work on that together! We could use the ActALIVE website, and/or
create one specifically for this purpose. Would you be interested (Andrius and
others)?
>
> After WAD I will cycle back and respond to these wonderful ideas and
possibilities in more detail (including my dreams related to the economy of
dreams). In some ways this dovetails with the "culture" ruminations I would also
like to contribute (sorry for the delay in doing so, but perhaps the more
expansive framework will render them even more fantastical:)).
>
> I will be eager to make use of the chatroom for ongoing conversations on the
BP project, and would be equally delighted to do some ActALIVE-focused chats. We
could have chats on the ideas we've been sharing related to dreams!
>
> On the chat next week, I need to make it for a time that is best for me, which
is 11am EST. Is that OK for you, Andrius, and could others join us? I would love
to do a "blended" chat with Pam sometime (who is also an ActALIVE member, as is
Fred, Zoneziwoh, Dennis, Wendi, Ken O, Rachel...and I hope Tom O will be soon
too!), esp if there is an interest that she and John might have to focus on
blogging to address HIV/AIDS.
>
> Pam, John, and anyone else, any feedback on this is gratefully welcomed! I
would love Ricardo to attend this particular chat, and get more involved--if
interested--in these activities generally.
>
> I would also be esp delighted if Jeff, Mark, and Joy could join us!! Jeff and
Joy are ActALIVE members, Joy has been a board member of ActALIVE, and Mark
would be "simpatico", I think.
>
> It would be invaluable if Ricardo, Josephat, Zoneziwoh, and others could help
translate the Blogging Positively Guide into local languages, and/or formats
that could be widely used and disseminated.
>
> I wrote my version of the Guide in Word, but that was edited by David, myself,
and a couple others, so I do not have the finished product in another format
than PDF. However, David S. might, and what Sasha has just posted is also worth
thinking about. Can a PDF be converted into an open-source doc fairly easily?
>
> I will close for now with the chat time definitely set for Dec 3 at
11am--unless there are major objections--and I will start advertising that far
and wide. Does all the info from previous chats remain the same? I can use the
same text for time-conversion et al, if so.
>
> I will not do this now until late tomorrow night or Fri am, because of the
holiday here, so if there are any last-minute considerations, please let me
know. Otherwise will crank up those networking engines, and am sure another
invaluable chat will be had by all!
>
> With greatest blessings and infinite appreciation, Janet
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>> From: Andrius Kulikauskas <ms@...>
>> Sent: Nov 25, 2009 2:52 AM
>> To: Janet Feldman <kaippg@...>, help group
<holistichelping@yahoogroups.com>, learningfromeachother
<learningfromeachother@yahoogroups.com>, Pamela McLean <pam54321@...>
>> Subject: Re: Blogging Positively:  Possible Chat Next Week...Can We Use
Worknets?
>>
>> Hi Janet! Great to hear from you!
>>
>> December 3 is Pamela's "First Thursday" and she has a chat on that day,
>> typically at 12.00 noon London time, 13.00 Nigerian time, 15.00 Kenyan
>> time and usually for one hour.  She might be interested to merge hers
>> with yours.  Or perhaps one chat might lead into the other.  Otherwise,
>> you're free to choose a time.  Thank you for using our chat room, it's a
>> great help towards building momentum for an all-purpose "help room".
>>
>> I share our letters with Pamela's group Learning From Each Other and
>> your group Holistic Helping so we might plan.  Ricardo, Josephat,
>> Zoneziwoh and I and others are interested in helping make available the
>> Blogging Positively Guide in "ebooks" in local languages.  Do you have
>> the text and pictures in Microsoft Word or similar format so they can be
>> easily copied and pasted into a different format (it can be hard to
>> strip them from a PDF file)?
>>
>> I'm looking for work for me and our lab. (Thank you for helping!)  I
>> seem to be having the most success with art.  In December, I will be
>> focusing on an unpaid art exhibit "May I dream?" at the Gedimino 9
>> shopping center in Vilnius, Lithuania on the fourth floor where there is
>> a co-working hub.  The exhibit is part of UNESCO's human right month
>> activities.  The space is great as there are more than 100 meters of
>> glass rails that can be viewed from lower floors as well, see:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/50525222@N00/
>> And you can also see some sketches that I've made of my own dreams.  I
>> will be collecting our dreams, helping us express them creatively and
>> integrating them.
>>
>> I invite us all to dream, to write down our dreams-in-life (our goals,
>> wishes, aspirations) and express them in various forms.  I will gladly
>> include them in this exhibit if they are in the Public Domain for all to
>> share and build on.  This is important for our "economy of dreams" so
>> that we can understand each other and help each other profoundly without
>> always relying on money.   This might also be a topic for "blogging
>> positively" because we can collect dreams from people around the world,
>> including those living with HIV/AIDS, and that's very relevant for human
>> rights month.
>>
>> Andrius
>>
>> Andrius Kulikauskas
>> Minciu Sodas
>> http://www.ms.lt
>> ms@...
>> +370 699 30003
>>
>> Janet Feldman wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Dear Andrius,
>>>
>>> Thanks so much for all of your wonderful work and postings, as usual,
>>> and please know that I am trying to follow as much as I can of the
>>> forum activities (HH and others). I'm hoping to be more present during
>>> the winter and spring, before all of the outdoor work starts again
>>> (and even then, there should not be as much to do as this year).
>>>
>>> I and we at RV-GV are trying to pull together some WAD activities,
>>> including a chat, and I was thinking abt Dec 3 as a possible time, or
>>> perhaps the 2nd or 4th as alternatives. I think most people will be
>>> busy for Dec 1 itself. One of the main topics would be the Blogging
>>> Positively Guide.
>>>
>>> I mentioned to Solana and David something abt the "translation"
>>> project that you, Ricardo, and others are doing, and thought that
>>> might be a possible discussion topic, ie asking people what formats
>>> would be useful for the Guide, and having you and others give feedback
>>> on that. Would that interest you?
>>>
>>> Would the Worknets chat space be available then?  I hope so!
>>>
>>> I'll close for now with greatest thanks and appreciation, and look
>>> forward to hearing from you! Love and blessings, Janet
>>>
>>> ps I wrote to you privately because I'd like to save a public posting
>>> for when we have concrete details for the chat and other events.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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