Hi everyone! My name is Kimberley. I'm actually Indian, that is I was born
there and grew up there for the first ten years of my life. I now live in
Australia. I intend to go back to India to visit family in February so I
thought it would be a good idea to brush up on my Hindi, seeing as how I've
forgotten most of it. Hope to be speaking like a native real soon!

Hi everyone! My name is Kimberley. I'm actuall Indian, that is I was born
there and grew up there for the first ten years of my life. I now live in
Australia. I intend to go back to India to visit family in February so I
thought it would be a good idea to brush up on my Hindi, seeing as how I've
forgotten most of it. Hope to be speaking like a native real soon!

the hindi resources web page has moved to:

	 http://lang.ojnk.net/hindi/

update your bookmarks (not like you had it bookmarked)

On Thu, Jun 24, 1999 at 08:33:51PM +0100, linguist@... wrote:

> Did you know that you can listen to news radio broadcasts in
> Hindi every weekday through the internet? Here's the link to
> Voice of America, which broadcasts in Hindi and many other
> languages too.
>
> http://www.voa.gov/programs/audio/realaudio/

i think the bbc does something similar.  they speak pretty fast, though.
some of it (a lot of it) goes over my head.

you think this link is worth adding to the resources page?
(http://www.ojnk.org/hindi/)

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I feel one can improve hindi knowledge ( for that matter any language )
   by reading some general books (like novels etc.) continuously. But
   that requires a very comprehensive hindi dictionary to assist.
  This way, one can
   improve not only the grammar but also the usage and vocabulary of the
   language. This is the approach I follow to learn any language. I think
   it is pretty fast.

Ramesh

On Mon, 21 Jun 1999 ultros@... wrote:

> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:40:50 -0400
> From: ultros@...
> Reply-To: hindi@onelist.com
> To: hindi@onelist.com
> Subject: [hindi] methods of learning hindi
>
> From: ultros@...
>
> for those of you out there who are learning hindi as a 2nd language, i'm
curious
> as to your method.  a class, a book, a friend from india, or perhaps something
> truly inventive i haven't thought of?
>
> i try to converse with people, and i listen to hindi music, but due to the
lack
> of any classes nearby, i'm left with learning mostly out of a book.  it isn't
> an impossible way to learn, but i'm finding it slower than, for example, a
> class.
>
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for those of you out there who are learning hindi as a 2nd language, i'm curious
as to your method.  a class, a book, a friend from india, or perhaps something
truly inventive i haven't thought of?

i try to converse with people, and i listen to hindi music, but due to the lack
of any classes nearby, i'm left with learning mostly out of a book.  it isn't
an impossible way to learn, but i'm finding it slower than, for example, a
class.

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On Mon, May 10, 1999 at 07:11:57PM -0700, JK65 Julmo wrote:

> What is shusha, you mention in your message. Please reply

shusha is another hindi font.  however, the keymap is arranged so you can
type it directly more easily.  i don't use it much personally, but some
people who don't like transliterators (itrans, jtrans, etc.) maybe find it
useful.  since i don't use it much, i don't recall the web site, but i think
a search for "shusha" on altavista or something should give you all the
information.

Thank you very much for your help. I did get the fonts for Hindi.
What is shusha, you mention in your message. Please reply

>From: ultros@...
>Reply-To: hindi@onelist.com
>To: hindi@onelist.com
>Subject: Re: [hindi] Welcome to hindi@onelist.com
>Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 01:18:58 -0400
>
>From: ultros@...
>
>On Sun, May 09, 1999 at 02:34:38PM -0700, JK65 Julmo wrote:
>
> > I am looking for Hindi fonts on internet to write in Hindi.
> > Does any of your members know how to get one? Thank you
>
>http://www.ojnk.org/hindi/ has a few resources, including a font.
>in order to use this font, you probably need some means of transliteration
>(like itrans or jtrans)... you might want to look into shusha if you want
>something you can type directly.
>
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On Sun, May 09, 1999 at 02:34:38PM -0700, JK65 Julmo wrote:

> I am looking for Hindi fonts on internet to write in Hindi.
> Does any of your members know how to get one? Thank you

http://www.ojnk.org/hindi/ has a few resources, including a font.
in order to use this font, you probably need some means of transliteration
(like itrans or jtrans)... you might want to look into shusha if you want
something you can type directly.

I am looking for Hindi fonts on internet to write in Hindi.
Does any of your members know how to get one? Thank you

>From: hindi-owner@onelist.com
>Reply-To: hindi@onelist.com
>To: wonder_xxx@...
>Subject: [hindi] Welcome to hindi@onelist.com
>Date: 9 May 1999 20:43:43 -0000
>
>Hello,
>
>Welcome to the list. Please take a moment to review this message.
>
>This list is for all who are interested in the Hindi or Urdu language.  The
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On Mon, May 03, 1999 at 03:29:03PM +0530, V E Ramesh wrote:

> 	 Gaaya/Gaaye/... in the place of Gaya/Gaye/...

thank you for spotting this.  i've corrected it.

> I am amazed at your interest in hindi language.
> Please tell me if you have any plans to do some work
> further, so that I may of use to you.

if you have hindi resources i can add to the links, i would appreciate the URL.

thanks,
adam

Sorry for the delayed reply.

I went thru' the hindi resources. They are really good.
Particularly, I liked Jtrans. Thanks for the info.

I could catch a tiny typo:

		 Gaaya/Gaaye/... in the place of Gaya/Gaye/...

		 in Past perfect category of
		 "Hindi Verb list" link.

I am amazed at your interest in hindi language.
Please tell me if you have any plans to do some work
further, so that I may of use to you.

On Mon, 26 Apr 1999 ultros@... wrote:

> From: ultros@...
>
> i have compiled a short list of hindi resources/info at:
> http://www.ojnk.org/hindi/
>
> i am curious to hear suggestions for improvement or other comments on the
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i am curious to hear suggestions for improvement or other comments on the page.

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> however, the word order of english does seem to be more rigid than hindi.
> this has given me some problems in my study of hindi, as i'm used to a rigid
> word order, and i am afraid of overstretching the freedom of hindi and making
> an error.

Your observation is very valid.

On Wed, Apr 21, 1999 at 04:33:10PM -0500, V E Ramesh wrote:

>  Order of words will be changed arbitrarily in day-to-day spoken
>  hindi also. I have not noticed this in spoken english anywhere.
>  ( for eg. the last sentence coming as "I - this - in spoken english
>  anywhere - have not noticed". But, in hindi, the above sentence
>  can be :

"i have not noticed this in spoken english anywhere" could also be written
as: "i have not noticed this anywhere in spoken english", "in spoken english
i have not noticed this anywhere", "i have not, in spoken english, noticed
this anywhere", etc.. so english does have *some* freedom of word order too.
i think with native speakers tending to rush at times, just about every
language develops some sort of freedom in word order.

however, the word order of english does seem to be more rigid than hindi.
this has given me some problems in my study of hindi, as i'm used to a rigid
word order, and i am afraid of overstretching the freedom of hindi and making
an error.

adam

> that's how i've noticed it usually is too.  except in songs, where i hear
> all kinds of strange word order.  (which seems to be a universal concept for
> songs in any language-- poetic form is more important than grammar, after
> all)

	 Order of words will be changed arbitrarily in day-to-day spoken
	 hindi also. I have not noticed this in spoken english anywhere.
	 ( for eg. the last sentence coming as "I - this - in spoken english
	 anywhere - have not noticed". But, in hindi, the above sentence
	 can be :

			 Meine ise boli jaathi angreji mein kahin dekha nahin.

					 or

			 Meine boli jaathi angreji mein ise dekha nahin kahin

					 ...

v.e.ramesh

> this is a little off the subject, but i'm curious.  i thought tamil did have
> some element of gender:  for example:
> "avan padikkiraan" (he reads) and "avan padikkiraal" (she reads)
>
> it seems like the equivalent in hindi:
> "yah parhta hai" (he reads) and "yah parhti hai" (she reads)
>
> in both cases, the ending of the verb changes with respect to gender.
> or am i confusing things?

	 Thank you for your interest in tamil. You are right. Tamil has
	 some element of gender when it comes to 'persons'. Since we
	 know the gender of the person, we do not have any difficulty.
	 Inanimate objects in tamil have neutral gender always.
	 For eg: kaagidham parakkiradhu (paper flies).

	 Whereas, hindi has a gender to this case also. And the real challenge
	 is to know the gender of kite. In hindi it would be:
			 "kaagaz udtha hai" and not "kaagaz udthi hai".

	 You can also use tamil@onelist.com for discussions on tamil.

>
> i agree.  it's not that english doesn't *have* both "a" and "aa", but they're
> both written "a" (or who knows how else, english vowels are weird).  that
means
> that in the mind of the native speaker of english, "a" and "aa" both get
stored
> away as "a".  i guess i have to retrain my mind to think in terms of the more
> precise hindi spellings, rather than the roman alphabet, which is often
lacking
> for hindi.
>

	 Yes. Good books on hindi establish a convention (which would mostly
	 be derived from phonetic language as found in english dictionaries)
	 for pronunciations. The different vowels are very important as
	 can be found in this example:

		 kaam (work) and kam (less). Missing an 'a' would lead to
		 misinterpretations.

v.e.ramesh

On Wed, Apr 21, 1999 at 11:05:06AM -0500, V E Ramesh wrote:

> This seems to be a rule with all Indian languages.
> Perhaps, a hindi 'sentence' contains Subject-Object-Predicate
> in that order.

that's how i've noticed it usually is too.  except in songs, where i hear
all kinds of strange word order.  (which seems to be a universal concept for
songs in any language-- poetic form is more important than grammar, after
all)

adam

On Wed, Apr 21, 1999 at 10:35:57AM -0500, V E Ramesh wrote:

>  I find the above difficult inspite of being an Indian. This is because
> my native language is 'tamil' which doesn't have these concepts at all.

this is a little off the subject, but i'm curious.  i thought tamil did have
some element of gender:  for example:
"avan padikkiraan" (he reads) and "avan padikkiraal" (she reads)

it seems like the equivalent in hindi:
"yah parhta hai" (he reads) and "yah parhti hai" (she reads)

in both cases, the ending of the verb changes with respect to gender.
or am i confusing things?

>  I am not good at both of these styles of hindi. Regarding your
> difficulty of pronouncing the vowels -- I never encounter this problem
> as my native language has both 'a' and 'aa'. English has a real
> word-based pronunciation methods. For eg., we pronounce 'car' implicitly
> as 'caar', though pronunciation of 'sit' has only the shortened sound of 'i'.
> We got the correct pronunciation only by regular use.

i agree.  it's not that english doesn't *have* both "a" and "aa", but they're
both written "a" (or who knows how else, english vowels are weird).  that means
that in the mind of the native speaker of english, "a" and "aa" both get stored
away as "a".  i guess i have to retrain my mind to think in terms of the more
precise hindi spellings, rather than the roman alphabet, which is often lacking
for hindi.

adam

> From: "random user" <t6t9@...>
>
> My big problem was always being patient.  What do I mean?
> I mean, in Hindi, the verb usually goes at the end of the sentence.
> There are no prepositions, instead there are postpositions.  So
> in other words just about everything occurs "later".  It has
> caused me some confusion.
>

This seems to be a rule with all Indian languages.
Perhaps, a hindi 'sentence' contains Subject-Object-Predicate
in that order.

v.e.ramesh

Hi,

> >  I see only two problems in hindi:
> >
> > 	 * Gender of a word.
> > 	 * Subtle difference in pronunciations (like ka and kha).
>
> i agree completely.  being a native speaker of english, gender of inanimate
> objects is a relatively new concept to me.  i also agree with you on the
subtle
> difference in pronunciations being a problem.  however, my problem was more
with
> vowels than consonants (a and aa, for example).
>

	 I find the above difficult inspite of being an Indian. This is because
my native language is 'tamil' which doesn't have these concepts at all.
However, I am able to appreciate the necessity of them to some extent.
For eg., Gender of an inanimate object may not be very prevalent in English.
But, poets would normally refer to nature in feminine gender. I could not
get an instance where they refer to some thing as being masculine. Perhaps,
hindi is more suited for verses than for anything else. That's why every
inanimate object is given 'life' by attaching a gender to it. Yet,
determining the gender would be as difficult as guessing the noun form
of an unknown verb in English ( like whether it ends in -ment,-ation,-ity etc.).
We would get it only by regular use of them.

	 Coming to the second aspect of hindi, i.e., the pronunciation.
Once again, I sense some poetic content in it. Let us take the same example:
ka and kha. Their pronunciations differ based on the point in the throat
at which the sound is generated. 'kha' would take to generate the sound
somewhere deeper in the throat than 'ka'. Though the difference may appear
marginal to not-so-regular users of hindi language, it's a horrendous
blunder from the point of view of native speakers of the language
to pronounce them similarly. This too requires lot of practice.

	 I am not good at both of these styles of hindi. Regarding your
difficulty of pronouncing the vowels -- I never encounter this problem
as my native language has both 'a' and 'aa'. English has a real
word-based pronunciation methods. For eg., we pronounce 'car' implicitly
as 'caar', though pronunciation of 'sit' has only the shortened sound of 'i'.
We got the correct pronunciation only by regular use.

v.e.ramesh

My big problem was always being patient.  What do I mean?
I mean, in Hindi, the verb usually goes at the end of the sentence.
There are no prepositions, instead there are postpositions.  So
in other words just about everything occurs "later".  It has
caused me some confusion.

>From: V E Ramesh <vramesh@...>
>Reply-To: hindi@onelist.com
>To: hindi@onelist.com
>Subject: [hindi] About hindi
>Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:51:36 -0500 (GMT+5)
>
>From: V E Ramesh <vramesh@...>
>
>Hi,
>
> I see only two problems in hindi:
>
>  * Gender of a word.
>  * Subtle difference in pronunciations (like ka and
kha).
>
> But they are enough to screw up one's hindi.
>
> What do you say?
>
>v.e.ramesh
>
>
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On Wed, Apr 21, 1999 at 09:51:36AM -0500, V E Ramesh wrote:

>  I see only two problems in hindi:
>
> 	 * Gender of a word.
> 	 * Subtle difference in pronunciations (like ka and kha).

i agree completely.  being a native speaker of english, gender of inanimate
objects is a relatively new concept to me.  i also agree with you on the subtle
difference in pronunciations being a problem.  however, my problem was more with
vowels than consonants (a and aa, for example).

adam

On Wed, Apr 21, 1999 at 09:01:01AM -0300, NAIMES wrote:

hi naimes,

there's quite a few good sites on hindi on the web.  unfortunately, few
of them will take you past the basic level.  still, you could look at:

http://syllabus.syr.edu/HIN/jshankar/hin101/hindi.html

i hope it's some help.

adam

> > My name is Naimes Oliveira de Paiva,I'm Brazilian,veterinarian doctor,I
> > work in Ministry of Agriculture in Brazil,live in Palmas,Tocantins
> > state.
> > I'm very interested to learn this language,I apreciate to receive
> > lessons and grammatical topics of it.
> > I'd like to know if there are sites that learn your languages.
> > Thanks.
> > Naimes

Hi,

	 I see only two problems in hindi:

		 * Gender of a word.
		 * Subtle difference in pronunciations (like ka and kha).

	 But they are enough to screw up one's hindi.

	 What do you say?

v.e.ramesh

 
 
 

> My name is Naimes Oliveira de Paiva,I'm Brazilian,veterinarian doctor,I
> work in Ministry of Agriculture in Brazil,live in Palmas,Tocantins
> state.
> I'm very interested to learn this language,I apreciate to receive
> lessons and grammatical topics of it.
> I'd like to know if there are sites that learn your languages.
> Thanks.
> Naimes

 

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