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#2916 From: Peter Dow <scotlandsmessenger@...>
Date: Tue Dec 8, 2009 10:29 pm
Subject: Salmond's Shite Paper vs Scottish National Independence (VIDEO)
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Salmond's Shite Paper vs Scottish National Independence (Video)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uooANHoemnM
Video details
BBC report on the White Paper published by Alex Salmond the Queen's First
Minister of Scotland and a republican response to the referendum proposal and
package contained therein by Scottish republican socialist Peter Dow.
Peter Dow says -

"The cause of Scottish national independence was sold out by Alex Salmond on St
Andrew's day, today when he published his white paper much-hyped as an
"independence referendum" white paper and plan.


You're being lied to by Salmond and the SNP royalists.

It's your Scotland but your voice is being ignored as per usual in this shite
paper by your enemy the Queen and her first minister Salmond.


Salmond's Shite Paper tells you what his idea of independence is, and I quote
from point 9.18
"The current constitutional arrangements, with the Queen as Head of State of an
independent Scotland, a Scottish Parliament and Government modelled on the
existing institutions",
- that's his idea.


But so long as the Queen is head of state then the person with the independence
is the Queen and we as Scots have no independence whatsoever as per usual.


Therefore Salmond's white paper is telling lies with the intention to deceive
the Scots and to oppose the national independence of the Scots.


So long as we Scots are denied the right to elect our own head of state, a
president, of a Scottish republic, we will not be independent but enslaved by
the Queen's state.
What Salmond proposes is not a half-way house to Scottish national independence
either. A Queen's Scottish state would not be progress. We already have a
Queen's Scottish state and Salmond is the Queen's First Minister already.


Salmond's referendum plan is a plan for the status quo which is the Saltire used
as an alternative Queen's butcher's apron for the Queen's ministers and officers
in Scotland.
Salmond's plan is not a plan for us Scots - it is a plan against us Scots, to
keep us down and under the brutal heel of the Queen's ministers and officers.


The real plan towards Scottish national independence and a Scottish republic is
to make the Queen and her family unwelcome in Scotland. Get the Queen out and
keep her out. Then we'll get our independence.

 



Quote:




Originally Posted by Salmond's Shite Paper
From "Your Scotland, Your Voice: A National Conversation"

9.18
The current constitutional arrangements, with the Queen as Head of State of an
independent Scotland, a Scottish Parliament and Government modelled on the
existing institutions, and continued membership of the European Union, would
provide a robust and tested constitutional framework for Scotland in the event
of the transition to independence.

 
 
 

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The home page from Peter Dow's Scottish National Standard Bearer website
http://scot.extroverthost.com/
looks like this -

 
From the Scottish National Standard Bearer website -

Political Independence for Scots
http://scot.extroverthost.com/politicalindependence.htm
"Independent Scots" or "an independent Scotland"?
The land mass of Scotland is never going to float out into mid-Atlantic to prove
its independence. The land sits there on the tectonic plate and under the sky
and it is not going anywhere, independently or under the Queen's direction.
Scotland is staying put.
 
That which could be independent or not, is people. What should be the concern of
a Scottish National Standard Bearer and is the concern of all good Scottish
nationalists, socialists, republicans, liberals and democrats is the
independence of the people, the nation, the Scots, us.
 
The land we stand on wouldn't know what to do with independence. We Scots are
the ones who need independence rather than continue to be enslaved by the Queen,
her ministers and her officers.
 
Therefore please support national independence. Please don't talk endlessly
about the independence of the land, "an independent Scotland" because you'd be
parroting a verbal trick royalists use to confuse the issue.
 
By "an independent Scotland" royalists mean the Queen is the one who gets to be
independent, whereas we Scots get no independence whatsoever if royalists get
the "independent Scotland" they want. Under a royalist "independent Scotland", a
Scottish Kingdom, we who are allowed to live and who are not killed by the
Queen's officers will live as subjects of the Queen and there would be no
Scottish national independence.

 

The phrase "independent Scotland" out of the mouths of royalists is worm-tongue
language for Scots under subjugation. So any time you hear Salmond use that
deceptive phrase, ask yourself, 'well what actual people will be independent
under Salmond's "independent Scotland"- the Scottish people or the Queen and
himself Salmond as the Queen's First Minister of Scotland'?
 
Salmond wants his own independence for himself, to rule as a dictator which the
Queen would allow because she almost never contradicts her ministers or her
officers. Salmond cares nothing for an independent Scottish nation guaranteed by
our freedom to rule ourselves with our personal freedoms as citizens to speak
out and to protest defended by our own elected president upholding a written
republican constitution guaranteeing the rights of the people. Salmond likes the
status quo when the Queen's officers keep the opposition unnaturally quiet and
respectful.
 
Out of the mouth of Salmond and other SNP royalists, when, as they do, they
claim to speak for the interests of the Scottish nation, their continual
reference to an "independent Scotland" and hardly ever a word about "an
independent Scottish nation" is a lie.
 
SNP royalists like Salmond are liars and by repeating their "Independent
Scotland!" squawk SNP supporters are parroting their lies like wee royalist
lackeys the Queen would be happy with.
 
So yes to "independent Scots" and only when an "an independent Scotland" clearly
means "independent Scots" with our national independence guaranteed by a
republican constitution then fine, that would be "an independent Scotland" worth
having.
 


 
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- Peter Dow




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#2908 From: Peter Dow <scotlandsmessenger@...>
Date: Sat Nov 28, 2009 2:25 pm
Subject: Are you ready for Salmond's St. Andrew's day betrayal?
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BBC: Alex Salmond talks about his plans for Scotland's future
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/scotland_politics/8383318.stm
 
The cause of Scottish national independence is to be sold out by Alex Salmond on
St Andrew's day when he publicizes his white paper much-hyped as an
"independence referendum" white paper and plan.

It is a lie. It is a fraud. It does not offer Scottish national independence.

The referendum plan that Salmond and the Queen's civil servants have come up
with is for an independent Queen's state with the Scots to be denied our
national independence.

So long as we Scots are denied the right to elect our own head of state, a
president, of a Scottish republic, we will not be independent but enslaved by
the Queen's state.

What Salmond proposes is not a half-way house to Scottish national independence
either. A Queen's Scottish state would not be progress. We already have a
Queen's Scottish state and Salmond is the Queen's first minister already.

Salmond's referendum plan is a plan for the status quo which is the Saltire used
as an alternative Queen's butcher's apron for the Queen's ministers and officers
in Scotland.

Salmond's plan is not a plan for us Scots - it is a plan against us Scots, to
keep us down and under the brutal heel of the Queen's ministers and officers.

The danger is that there will also be republicans who foolishly welcome
Salmond's referendum plan as, so we are told, "a move forward, a half-way house
to a Scottish republic". Lies, lies and more lies.

To see Scottish republicans dance to Salmond's royalist tune is even more of a
betrayal.

Scottish republicans expect to be betrayed by royalists. But when republicans
betray the cause of an independent Scottish republic by agreeing with royalists'
plans it is an unexpected betrayal.

I will not betray the cause of an independent Scottish republic and I call every
co-called "Scottish republican" who supports Salmond's referendum plan announced
on Monday "TRAITOR!" because that is what they will be.

See these topics and polls in the Users and Guests forum of the For Freedom
Forums.

Sticky: [ Poll ] What do you think about Salmond's plan for a referendum?
http://scot.extroverthost.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=279

Sticky: [ Poll ] If Alex Salmond shat on a plate and called it 'mince' ...
http://scot.extroverthost.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=283
 
- Peter Dow
 
 
The home page from Peter Dow's Scottish National Standard Bearer website
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I also administer the For Freedom Forums -
 

 
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