This post is being copied from hegel-intro list, as it has been suggested that it can receive better response here. Irrelevant portions removed. ... There are...
Makc
makc@...
Dec 2, 2005 2:50 pm
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Makc, I don't understand this "missing paragraphs" question. What's wrong with http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/works/sl/slquant.htm#SL99 ? And...
Hi Makc, Firstly, I am glad to hear that Paul Trejo is still on the go, I had concluded that he might have died as he disappeared from all the Hegel lists I...
... Stephen, I added paragraph numbers to the Miller translation: http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/works/hl/hl000.htm to facilitate discussion...
To All: All right, "missing paragraphs" part is officially cancelled. In order of appearence in my e-mail, To Andy Blunden: AB> Makc, I don't understand this...
Makc
makc@...
Dec 5, 2005 7:21 am
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The key link between Marx's dialectic and Hegel's dialectic is Spinoza. Hegel makes the argument that Spinoza subscribed to an "Oriental conception of...
I can't answer your question, but I would like you to substantiate your assertion that Marx got his notion of dialectic from Spinoza. ... From: Gary Geiser...
Wait a minute, Ralph. I didn't mean to give the impression that Marx got his dialectic from Spinoza. He got it from Hegel, and naturally other philosophers who...
I can't make sense out of any of this. As for Spinoza's influence on Marx, I have found scanty references to Spinoza in Marx's corpus and none of them say...
For an ex-marxist, its only scant references as you say, the rest is in having read the fundamental texts and then reading Spinozas ETHICS in particular, its...
None of this says anything about what marx has to do with Spinoza. Do you have any specific sections of Spinoza's ETHICS in mind that you think influenced...
Hi Ralph, I'll get around to it within 24hrs and get back to you. I think its in Ethics II - The Mind, on the nature of the human mind, where the example used...
... Kautsky a Bolshevik? Vague references to the king of Spinozist Marxism in a discussion of Marx and Spinoza? Are you related to John Landon by any chance?...
My friend Sasha Surmava is a great fan of Spinoza's. I've tried to attach an article of his on Spinoza, though I don't know if this list will allow it. If not,...
Hi Chris, Define improve.... I am so so so willing to give up ground.... For your and Ralphs benefit I include below Kautskys paper on the Dialectic. It seems...
Andy, Thanks, I'll mail him soonish. I want to find someone out there with almost exactly my background in Marxism and Spinoza to be in a position to see what...
Hi Ralph, Believe me. I felt the same way. But I stopped looking for it that way. Some people fill up so much of your background that you may never mention...
Ms Danielle, Hegel's criticism that Spinoza subscribed an "Oriental conception of substance" is quite valid. In a recently published book entited - "Eastern...
Citing "Anti-Duhring" as evidence of Spinoza's influence on Marx bears one rather obvious flaw, as does referring to Kautsky as a "bolshevik". I don't see a...
... attach an ... allow it. If ... Andy, all hegel.net lists have attachments blocked to prevent spreading of virus and spam, but as a trusted member you can...
Hi Gary, Thanks for the response. I think a flick through Ethics I (on Substance), it is hard to detect anything oriental. I know the Tao in particular was...
Hi Robert, I think it's wrong to say that Marx perhaps picked up on the Age of Enlightenment. That's like saying perhaps we pick up on postmodernity. If he...
Hi Danielle, As you know, Spinoza distinguishes in Part I of the Ethics between substance and modes. Essentially, each emotion is overcome by one turning one's...
Hi Gary, This explains a great deal and at a really detailed level for me to see what you are saying and the interconnections between Marx and Hegel, Marx and...
Things don't get any better on this list. If you want to understand the relation of Spinoza to Hegel or Marx, given that there is pretty much nothing in terms...
This is an exceptionally stupid post. ... Absolute nonsense. ... Ignorant drivel. ... Nonsense. ... Arbitrary assertions disregarding anything real in society....
Gary, your final sentence, "None of the oriental philosophies are dialectical in a real way" requires this reply from me: I have to agree partially, but there...
Hi Ralph, Sorry to so disappoint you. When the relations between the ideas (of the thinkers) become more specific as a result of Gary G's talking to me in the...
Ralph, It was this from Gary which you can see below: "Yet, we have the understanding that Spinoza, as architect of the Radical Enlightenment, provided Marx...
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