Hans posted:

I want to start with some obvious similarities between The Chymical Wedding and
Harry Potter. Please keep in mind that there are many more than I can list here
today.

Cathy:
It was amazing to see all the  similarities listed  so clearly; and know that
"there are many more" not listed.

All this information laid out so clearly  really leaves no doubt, in my opinion,
that J.K. Rowling is familiar with "The Chymical Wedding."

I hadn't realized that Harry's scar is in the same place where Christian
Rosycross has a wound How interesting that "in both stories this is connected
with love, and symbolises a spiritual victory."  It reminds me of Jung's feeling
that even in the dark places, there is gold to be found and the importance of
facing and owning our "shadow" side.

The phrase which stayed with me most was "the Divine Temple in the human heart"
from the sentence,  "The power Dumbledore is referring to is love. These two
rooms are the same, namely the Divine Temple in the human heart."

A few questions that came up during the reading:

The number four and the number seven seem very significant. Any further details
on those numbers?

Regarding "the ancient man living in a tower," wondering if that is similar to
Jung's archtype of the "wise old man."

I'm familiar with the symbolic meaning of "the griffin, the phoenix, the
serpent, the unicorn and the raven.  What is the symbolic meaning of the "lion?"

The paragraphs regarding  the altar on top of the Sepulchre of Venus were very
interesting. Any further details on the symbolism of "the unknown Tree" which
the angel held in his arms.

With love,
Cathy

Dear Hans,

   I am posting on each segment of your response to my question. There is so much
to absorb and so well worth the time to re-read it, reflect on it , and post. As
I read it the entire piece, much of what I am experiencing is beyond words and I
find it impacting my journey immensely and providing openings within.

    In the second section beginning with Chapter 12 You posted:
"When we refer to the black king and his wife as "evil", you should understand
this in the sense of gnostic philosophy. What is evil? It is not only those
things which are villainous, inferior or very bad. Evil in the sense of the
Gnosis is everything that binds bodily man to the nadir of materiality and seeks
to make him look for his destiny here?" and "What is good? Good, as meant by
gnostic philosophy, is everything that causes bodily man to seek in the nadir of
materiality - where his destiny is not to be found - for a solution, a way to
satisfy a deeply felt need for a genuine and pure life."

   I admit I had no knowledge of what these terms means in terms of the Gnostic
sense of them so I am grateful to now become familiar with their meaning. How
many times have I felt drawn, then trapped and finally  disappointed by looking
in the "nadir of materiality" for a "solution, a way to satisfy a deeply felt
need for genuine and pure life." And yet all those experiences laid the
framework for my yearning for something purer, something Eternal.

  You posted:
In this way, we discover that good and evil are closely related to each other
and that they are inseparable in this world of perishability. We find that each
continually demonstrates the opposing aim of the other, and that they constantly
keep each other dialectically in motion.

    I needed to hear this  and understand it because I had often challenged this
notion in past posts. I could not see why simply "doing good" was not enough and
not the goal. But I certainly have observed in myself and others that most of
the good we do is somehow tainted with selfishness, even if it is merely the pat
on the back I give myself for being so "good" to someone, or the idea that we
know what is best for someone. (and how ofen it turns out we are wrong and
something worse happens.) So often, within the seeds of that "good" are the
seeds of "bad". How can one know, at this level, what is best for anyone... even
for ourselves.This insight in this section, hopefully, will lead to a surrender
of wanting to control..not only the lives of others but my own and place all in
the unseen hands of the Power that knows the Way.

   When you explained about the grey king and queen (illustrated Snape and Lupin
in Harry Potter), it became clear to me that each time I set out to do good, it
is with the "grey king and queen" at my side. So often when I focus on "a new
mode of life," it has been according to my idea of the grey king and doing good
(never expecting the opposite which is also at work). After reading this, I
finally understand that the grey king has to be de-capitated so that we are not
all running around thinking we are only doing good and thereby delaying the
purification process (the disolution of the endura) which will lead us into the
uneen hands of Pure Love, a pure love which does not keep us enmeshed in karma.
I see that this will truly happen when we surrender and  step back and let the
Eternal Soul lead the way.

   You posted:
"When a human being realises the futility of this rotation of the wheel, a
mighty yearning for a solution, a way out, arises in the good aspect; a longing
and striving for a positive goodness which can really be accomplished. This
goodness is the goodness of the origin, which does not possess a dual nature."

    Since the human mind by its nature only deals in polarities, it now makes
sense to me that we will be doomed to duality (good and bad, joy and sorry,
birth and death, etc.)until our minds are transfigured.

  At the beginning of this section, you posted:
  "Two natures speak in the human being born of this nature, two voices: the
voice of good and the voice of evil. Both have a positive and a negative aspect,
a male and a female pole."

Question:
  When I was reading Jung last night, he said that the masculine and the feminine
must be reconciled.  This must be why there is a King and a Queen. But somehow,
I don't understand why it cannot be one... a King or a Queen. Why the consort?

With love,
Cathy

I found an interesting quote while reading some Carl Jung today. Since Jung is
someone who thought Alchemy is the answer, I thought his would be appropriate
here.

The quote is: "God always speaks mythologically."

That seems to fit right in with the Harry Potter Septology which speaks so much
to us.

Cathy

Dear Hans,

     Thank you for giving such an in-depth response to my question. I've only
begun reading it tonight; and I thought I would respond to it in parts as I read
it.

Hans posted:  In fact he explains it in scattered passages in the last chapters
of his book, which deals with the Chymical Wedding only up to a certain point.
He does not proceed past the third level of the Tower of Olympus because we
would have to discuss states that cannot be understood with the ordinary
consciousness, states with which we can find no comparison in our
three-dimensional world.

Cathy:  I have found mainly through studying the calibration and spiritual
teachings of Dr. David Hawkins that at certain vibrational levels we have more
access to the higher non-linear spiritual dimensions. Your comments are helpful
in reminding me that I can't "storm the gates of heaven." As our vibrational
level raises higher (or one could say as the process of disolving the endura
proceeds), much will make sense to us that did not make sense before the
Alchemical stages and purifications process.

I like your use here of the phrase, "put off your shoes from your feet for the
place on which you are standing is holy ground." So much of our ego-based,
I-maintainance dialectic self  has to be "put off", surrendered, let go of
before we can truly experience such holiness. The "I do not know" awareness
allows so much more receptivity to Truth than the dialectic mind which  thinks
it knows it all already.

I also like very much that we are dealing with three of the most important books
available to us (in my opinion too): the Bible, The Chymical Wedding, and Harry
Potter.

Your paragraph giving a recap on the characters in  Harry Potter related to "The
Chymical Wedding" was full of clarity on the symbolism. The more I see the
correspondences in the Harry Potter Symbolism, the more I understand why those
books have drawn me in such a powerful and compelling way.

Hans posted:
Every single one of us will one day go this Royal Way, whether it be tomorrow or
in a million years.

That is my favorite line!

I'd like to add one of my favorite lines from Walt Whitman, "Now voyager, that
untold want by land or sea ne'er granted, set forth to seek and find."

Maps like The Chymical Wedding as well as the myth of Harry Potter
make the seeking and finding so much clearer.

Again, thank you for your response to my question. I'll be reading the entire
response this weekend. I'm sure it will provide much insight for reflection.

With love,
Cathy

Hans posted: "It's the same as asking, "Why does Jesus (and the two criminals)
have to die on the cross? Why does Dumbledore have to die? Why does Harry have
to die? And Sirius? Why does Orpheus have to pass Cerberus and go into the
underworld?"

Dear Hans and Everyone,

    Thank you for your response to my asking the question Hans. I hesitated to
ask that question since I thought perhaps I was the only one who did not
understand that particular symbology. I'm glad now that I did ask it because
your paragraph above takes my question to the deepest dimension. This does prove
that any and all questions are important.  I hoped mine would not be too basic
(something I should have known the answer to but didn't); but I realize now that
it certainly pays to ask whatever questions we have.

   Hans posted: "I don't have any free time at the moment, but as soon as
possible I will give as complete and challenging an answer as I can."

     Comments, questions and responses concerning the lecture are helpful to me
since "The Alchemical Wedding"  illuminates the same process and Path described
in the Harry Potter Septology.  The discussion of the lecture brings me closer
to the deepest messages in the Harry Potter series.

   No rush at all Hans. A response on "death and resurrection" is well worth the
wait! And perhaps it will give members time to post their questions and comments
too.  Someone's post may be the very question we  ourselves hesitate to ask but
most need answered. Looking forward to your response Hans when time permits, and
posts from other members as well. It feels important to keep the List alive with
the magic and mystery of Harry so that the process of Alchemy stays alive in us.

With love,
Cathy

Dear Hans,

     I understand the symbology of the four kings and queens and their needing to
be decapitated since you wrote ,"four of these monarchs personify the earthly
aspects of good and evil in their negative and positive aspects." Since the
other two are the "soul and the spirit of the seeker", why did they have to be
decapitated? Is it because it is the nature-born soul? And, why the "spirit of
the seeker" as well. Is that because what it sought - the Spirit-Soul - has been
found?

   I understand about the four monarchs being reduced to paste; but why are those
other two are reduced to paste as well (even though they are  later
resurrected). I'm thinking that the monarch/soul is the nature-born soul? You
mention that the "seeker has to sacrifice himself completely, including his
entire past, his good and evil aspects and his soul and spirit. I understand and
accept that except for the part about sacrificing his "soul" unless it means
nature-born soul. Does it?

    I'm not able to phrase the question as clearly as I would like to do. This
particular symbology about those two monarchs is new to me. But I think you will
get the gist of what I am asking.

    I especially love the first paragraph of your second post on part of the
lecture. Because I do, I'd like to understand the symbology of "The Alchemical
Wedding" as clearly as I can.

With love,
Cathy

I've already posted on the over-all impact the lecture has had on me. I I am
glad we will be discussing the lecture here. It really takes more than one
reading...and certainly deserves more than one reading.

I'm reminded of Hans saying the audience was very attentive. No wonder they were
with an opening which includes:  "My discovery is that the message in the the
Harry Potter Septology contains the most fundamental and powerful message
imaginable for humanity: liberation from evil, from suffering from death. In one
word: Alchemy!" Hans once told me that every real Path includes the processes
and stages of Alchemy. The more I reflect on my readings in the past and new
material I am learning, the more true that becomes for me. For me, Alchemy is
the key which unlocks so many beautiful teacings I've found in the past and
helps me discard those which are merely exoteric and not esoteric. Dogma does
not have the allure it once had for me. I no longer feel bound to and by it.

Interesting that Hans wrote that he made his discovery 7 years ago... that
number 7 again! And now, Hans has not only "shouted it to the rooftops," of his
neighborhood (those he knows and the HPFS List); but he has delivered this
important message to the Theosophy Society in England and to the Alchemy
Conference in America. The world has been mesmerized by the Harry Potter
Septology and now they can find out why!

What a gift to have this "Divinely inspired" series available to us and in
fiction form, which in the case of Myth, often goes within deeper/ or to the
deeper mind, than non-fiction books. Carl Jung wrote that there are certain
things which can only be revealed to us through myth.

  Timothy Freke said at a seminar, "In the ancient depictions in Gnostic imagery
the sense of "I" is represented by a dot within a circumference - the inner
world of imagination reaching to the outer world." I think the tale of Harry has
awakened the imagination of so many readers as well as awakened the intuition. 
I also think that Mr. Freke, whose Gnostic work is wonderful, would also agree
that our Essence, our Soul, is that central dot in Gnostic imagery. When the
Rose awakens in our Hearts or experiences a new birth, we see the world
differently. We see it for what it is and for what it is not. And, "The Truth
shall set us free."

I resisted reading Timothy Freke for so long and wondered and criticized Hans
for mentioning his books. Now I find so much in Mr. Freke's work which is
providing an opening for me, helping to "pull me up from the pit". The present
combination of Hans' Lecture and Mr. Freke's books has been so beneficial to me.

I also need to go back to the HPFS Website since some of the animals that are in
the book which are mentioned in the lecture are not familiar to me in an
alchemical sense...for instance, the lion.

It is fascinating to me that "Parts 5, 6 and 7 symbolize the Nigredo, Albedo and
Rubedo phases of alchemy." Knowing this brings the books even more alive for me.
I want to read those  books again (and the 7th which I have not read ... and
can't figure out why unless it is that I don't want the series to end.) I feel
the books will be so much more meaningful to me on an deeper level now.

Is anyone else on the list still re-reading the books? Are they finding, as I
am, that the lecture is shedding more Light on the books and on our Path?

Cathy

So sorry for the loss of your friend Hans.... and the loss to List members as
well.
It is as Emily Dickinson wrote, "The pain is on our side, the Joy on his." I
know you know this.
He certainly has been a friend to all at Hogwart's.

Cathy

Congratulations, Captain Hans!

Love from France,

Amicalement
Iris

I cheated. I went to the HPFS Website and while I was setting up the printer to
print out the lecture, I read the last paragraph. That paragraph is so beautiful
that I can't wait to read the entire lecture. The depth within and beyond those
words penetrated right into my Heart.

   If anyone is considering not reading the entire lecture, read the last
paragraph and I think you will be unable to resist reading the entire lecture
after that.


Cathy

Dear Hans,

    Thank you for posting the report on the Alchemy Converence. I'm not surprised
that the audience was "so quiet, attentive and absorbed." That is the experience
many of us had when we first discovered the HPFS Website.

    The energy in the Harry Potter books so obviously resonates with readers
worldwide and how wonderful it must have been for the audience to learn the
Source of this energy.... to have you assist in clarifying the deepest message
in the books and sharing your insights.

   The woman who travelled 2000 miles just to hear the lecture must have heard
"The Call" and now she has learned so much more about the Alchemy of the Path of
Liberation. Who knows how many hearts were touched, moved and opened,
remembering the scent of the Rose within their hearts, and having new insight
now into following it.

   The list of speakers there is impressive. I am familiar with Thom Cavalli's
book and have had a personal correspondence with him in the past. Lovely, open
man! I am not familiar with  Dennis William Hauck's books but I will look them
up based on your recommendation.

     You wrote: "In my searching observation of the other stands I would see
shoppers really developing an intimate relationship with the vendors in just a
short visit. They would leave after a long, warm hug. In fact throughout the
conference, wherever you walked, you would see people hugging each other, men
hugging men, women women, and men women, in a way that would be inconceivable in
the Netherlands. I don't think a minute passed without someone hugging someone
somewhere!"


       That sounds very American... the warmth and the "hugging" and their  not
being  afraid to express affection.  I believe it is also  an outward sign of an
inward feeling of love for fellow-seekers on the Path.... those for whom "the
pearl of great price" is the "one thing needed." (As Jesus said in the Bible,
"You are concerned with many things when only one thing is needed.") I'm sure
the lecture  assisted people in becoming  clearer about the "one thing needed."

   Your observation that Californians do not read much is interesting.  I think
of California as the Spiritual Seminar capital of the nation. ... so many
teachers there, so many seminars to attend,books and  tapes to purchase, etc.
Perhaps the Californians were overwhelmed by all the different books on offer or
have their own Path they are following to Liberaton; but I think many will
remember the books you showed them and perhaps look them up when they get home
and purchase some. So many Paths from which to choose and I feel that if those
people who  were attending the Conference  with then their hearts are open will
eventually find and follow the Path which is right for them. I think your
insights on Liberation will impact any Path on which they travel.

    You wrote: The overall impression of the whole conference happening is that
it is just the beginning of something. I see it as a seed that has been planted.
Right there, in one of the largest cities of the US, in Hollywood country, with
the most liberal ideas, we have planted a seed of the pure, teachings of
Liberation. We can't expect a seed to give fruit next day. At the moment these
things are totally unfamiliar to seekers in the U.S. as far as I could tell from
visitors to our book stand."

    Perhaps it was the clarity with which you described the Path which was
welcomed so intensely by those with whom you spoke. I doubt that most seekers in
the U.S. are "totally unfamiliar" with Alchemy. Gnostic teachings,  or the
disolution of the ego and surrender to the Divine. I think it would be difficult
to determine that from one visit here. I think instead you are unaware of how
clearly you express the stages of the Alchemical process and perhaps their own
studies will be clearer to them now that you have shown them  deeper aspects of
any common thread among teachings. And I'm sure there will be those who will
resonate with the Lectorium teachings in particular. So long as they follow
their Hearts all will be well and I believe the lecture on Harry will deepen
their commitment to do that.

     You wrote:"Of course we are only talking about the immediate impact of the
lecture on the people who were present. Whether their hearts were opened to the
message of liberation is something I am unable to comment on, and so I can't
judge the REAL success of the lecture. All I could and can do is open my heart
to the Power and express in as pure and powerful a way as possible what I
experience."


      I think that is my favorite part of the report, that and your relating that
your own voice cracked when the music was played.  Your Heart was so open to the
radiation of the Gnosis that I think we can safely leave the "REAL success of
the lecture" in the Unseen Hands of the Gnosis and the seeds of awakening
planted in those hearts which were receptive will sprout.

    I know the effect in my own Heart when I found the HPFS Website and it is
beautiful to know that those there could have a similar experience. I'm sure
they did!

   You wrote;"Finally I would like to repeat my assertion that Alchemy is the
spiritual movement of the near future."

    What you wrote and have known from an early time in your lifeis what Carl
Jung wrote at the end of his life about Alchemy. I agree with you both as I'm
sure do many others now that the study of Alchemy is more available. Those who
heard your lecture and who have "ears to hear" are, I'm sure, very grateful that
they attended the Conference.

    Looking forward to more information on where we can purchase the DVD. (And
I'm hoping the lecture will become part of your book when you finish it.)

Cathy

Wishing you a wonderful time in L.A. and lots of luck for your lecture. I can't
wait to hear what you thought of the conference.

Bonne chance! :-)
Audrey

--- In harrypotterforseekers@yahoogroups.com, "elanor_audrey"
<spindler.audrey@...> wrote:
>
> Expelliarmus is Harry's `signature spell' therefore it
> reveals his very essence: Harry does not want to kill, he tries to
> disarm. Interestingly enough, this spell was taught to him by Snape in
> CoS, by the Potions Master.

<snip>

> Expelliarmus is Harry's "signature spell". It is the one
> that "tears apart" who he is and brings him back together in a
> more achieved form so to speak.

I also found it very ironic that something he learned from Snape came to be his
"signature spell"; no one in the books ever seems to be aware of that
(including, fortunately, Voldemort!)

The description above of Expelliarmus as being something that tears apart who
Harry is, could also be a description of Snape's effect on Harry in their
interactions with each other.

Alice
>:>

Hans said:
>In actual fact when Harry was in the zoo talking to the snake he should have
been talking in Parseltongue. Am I too fussy?<

Chris:
Harry's ability to talk to snakes in this scene signals his ability to free
kundalini, which in this case does some minor damage and gives everyone a bit of
a fright. The Dursleys are right to be nervous of giving Harry free reign in
this way, because if kundalini rises and strikes, the result in this scene could
have been much worse. Accidental release of kundalini can cause major problems
for the new seeker.

Many seekers, hearing that the control of the kundalini and its rising through
the chakras confers great powers, try to free it and control it. They assume
that they are making great spiritual progress in this way. Tom Riddle is an
example of this attitude, as we see in The Chamber of Secrets with his
manipulation of the the basilisk, and later with his contol of Nagini. His
spiritual prowess is, as he perfectly understands himself, vested in his control
of the basilisk and of Nagini, and when they are killed, he is lost.

It is a terrible mistake for the new seeker to try and control kundalini,
because s/he is still full of selfish desire, even though s/he doesn't
necessarily believe this, being blinded by his or her own desire. The likelihood
is that either the new seeker can't control it, like Harry in Chamber of Secrets
up against the basilisk or in Order of the Phoenix when Nagini attacks Arthur,
or he uses it for selfish purposes while convinced that he is doing the right
thing, and without any real understanding of the implications, as Voldemort does
in both these instances.

When selfish desire is conquered, kundalini will rise by itself, will be
obedient to the seeker and entirely in keeping with the level of his
development, but in this case he doesn't try to control it, its behaviour is a
natural result of his state of being. Jo manages to convey this, too, with
Harry's relationship to the basilisk, to Nagini in Order of the Phoenix and in
Deathly Hallows, and also in the trio's ride on the dragon in Deathly Hallows.
This last picture is the best image of how kundalini, while being a tremendously
dangerous power, operates to raise the soul and its faculties through the
chakras and free it. In none of these situations does Harry try to control
kundalini, he simply finds himself in a situation where it is free through his
actions, which each time have a completely different and unselfish purpose in
view, that of liberating others. And it does its work, which provides the
support that soul Harry needs, entirely by itself.

Kundalini is best understood as a blind power, as we see with the basilisk and
with the dragon. Trying to control it wilfully, as Tom Riddle and Voldemort do,
simply results in the spread of further evil. While the new soul is still
impure, it is not safe to gaze directly on the basilisk, indirect means of
seeing it have to be used, as Hermione's researches find.

But when the moment in the soul's development is ripe, it rises up as a fiery
power and destroys the seekers past karma, fusing the two strings of the
sympathetic nervous system into one as it does so, and giving the power of the
central nervous sytem into the control of the soul.  Jo illustrates this
beautifully.  It rises up as a fiery power in the Room of Requirement in Deathly
Hallows. It destroys the seekers past karma, all the junk in the Room of
Requirement that has been amassed during innumerable past lives. It fuses the
two strings of the sympathetic nervous system into one as it does so, no longer
Crabble the male string and Goyle the female string but in their place there is
one. And it gives the power of the central nervous sytem into the control of the
soul, Draco is completely unable to function as before, what happens to him is
now in the hands of Harry the soul, Hermione the mind and Ron the personality,
and Hogwarts Castle and the future of everyone in it comes into Harry's hands.
Having overcome Draco, Harry now has the power of the Elder Wand.

Harry's conversation with the snake (which comes from Brazil, Hy Brasil, surely
:-) ) in The Philosopher's Stone, works quite well for me in both the book and
the film, showing the extent of what both Harry and the Dursleys respectively
understand and don't understand about the snakey power that they are dealing
with. The scene in the Chamber of Secrets fim works well, too, and I
particularly like the way Ron uses his esoteric or wizarding knowledge to
explain to Harry and Hermione what has happened. He shows just the right level
of respect for Kundalini when he gives his warning.

Communication with kundalini is soundless, as far as I am aware, it is about
energy, and is focussed through desire, either holy or unholy depending on the
seeker's state of being, so any form that symbolises communication would be an
option for the filmmakers here. I think they did pretty well :-)

Chris

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