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Chapter 5- An Excess of Phlegm   Message List  
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Re: [harrypotterforseekers] Chapter 5- An Excess of Phlegm

Carolina <Mrs_DracoLuciusMalfoy@...> wrote:
Carolina said:
Okay here it is...please don't be too harsh on me.  This is my first time and I’ve never been too good with English and creating summaries and using big words.

Hans:
Congratulations, Carolina! Your English is really great and you’ve written a wonderful introduction. I hope we’ll hear a lot more from you!

Carolina
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The next day, we see Fleur and learn that she is engaged to Bill Weasley.  Ginny and Hermione have both begun calling Fleur, Phlegm and are surprised when Harry defends her.  He mentions that Fleur is not stupid and was smart enough to enter the Triwizard Tournament.
 
Hans:
It’s slowly beginning to dawn on me that this wedding we’re going to attend in Part 7 is going to be THE Alchemical Wedding where it all happens. As I’ve said in my character post http://groups.yahoo.com/group/harrypotterforseekers/message/621 Bill personifies the pineal chakra, or crown chakra, connected to the pineal gland. In my post The Wondrous Golden Flower http://groups.yahoo.com/group/harrypotterforseekers/message/1478 I pointed out that an alchemist who has conquered death (symbolized by an open grave) achieves a new omniscient consciousness and a new mind capable of grasping the Divine Plan. Such a new consciousness and mind is symbolised in alchemy by a golden flower on the crown (of the head) of the alchemist. I have placed a photo of a painting symbolising this in the group’s photo archive.
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/harrypotterforseekers/vwp?.dir=/The+Wondrous+Golden+Flower&.src=gr&.dnm=Son+of+the+Serpents.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/harrypotterforseekers/lst%3f%26.dir=/The%2bWondrous%2bGolden%2bFlower%26.src=gr%26.view=t
 
In addition, on the website there is a picture of the crown chakra on the Weasleys page, under “Bill”. http://www.harrypotterforseekers.com/symbols/weasleys.php#bill
This picture comes from Leadbeater’s book, “The Chakras”. This is what I’ve written for Bill: The most beautiful and powerful chakra is personified by Bill Weasley. This chakra has 960 petals all of a beautiful violet colour, and a central whirlpool of twelve golden petals. In very spiritual people this whirlpool looks like a golden crown on top of the head. 12 petals? A flower? Fleur? Yes, to me it certainly seems as if Fleur symbolises the golden flower of 12 petals in the middle of the crown chakra. How intensely sublime! What a journey of unbelievably rich spiritual discovery this is turning out to be!
 
Then there is that exquisite little clue we get in Part 6:
‘Our Great Auntie Muriel’, said Mrs Weasley after a long pause, ‘has a very beautiful tiara – goblin-made – which I am sure I could persuade her to lend you for the wedding. She is very fond of Bill, you know, and it would look lovely with your hair’.
 
A tiara! A little crown! The crown chakra! We have already learned that anything made by goblins is indestructible, i.e. eternal. Remember the helmet Hagrid gave to the Gurg of the giants? My conclusion is that Bill and Fleur’s wedding will symbolise the achievement of the new, eternal consciousness. In normal people the golden flower inside the crown chakra sits concave in the middle, like a whirlpool, but when the Great Illumination comes, and the new consciousness is born, this whirlpool becomes convex and sits on the head like a crown, or a Wondrous Golden Flower.
 
Just to digress, in the New Testament this moment is symbolised by the dove descending on the head of Jesus when he is being baptised in the Jordan by John, and by the descent of the Holy Spirit on the apostles and tongues (‘crowns’) of fire came out of their heads. In the Old Testament (Deuteronomy 34) this is when Moses reaches Mt Nebo and dies there (as to his old consciousness). In Buddhism this is the enlightenment Gautama achieved under the Bodhi tree. I’m sure there must be more references in all the world’s myths and scriptures.
 
Just a few more thoughts about Fleur herself. Her name is Fleur Delacour. I’ve been told (correctly I hope) that Delacour means “of the court”. What court? The King’s court? This reminds me of The Alchemical Wedding of Christian Rosycross where the last day takes place at the king’s court. It is here that Christian Rosycross, having participated in the resurrection of the young king and queen, spends most of his time with them, and in fact is the young king’s confidante. I can see a scenario where Harry accompanies Bill and Fleur on a journey from Olympus (Olympe Maxime?) to the Court (Hogwarts?) where great celebrations are held. I’ve got that shivery feeling of being on the edge of a great discovery but not quite getting there.
 
Incidentally, it is on this journey that Christian Rosycross is handed a letter for the king by the gatekeeper (Hagrid?). The letter turns out to contain an accusation that some one (i.e. Christian Rosycross himself) has seen sleeping Venus (love) naked in her secret chamber and therefore must take the gatekeeper’s place as a punishment. As you know, book 7 will deal with the Rubedo Phase, and many of us suspect that Rubeus Hagrid will die. Will Harry have to take Hagrid’s place as keeper of the keys at Hogwarts? If so, why?
 
Jo’s description of Fleur also reminds me of Venus. A young woman was standing in the doorway, a woman of such breathtaking beauty that the room seemed to have become strangely airless. She was tall and willowy with long blonde hair and appeared to emanate a faint, silvery glow.
 
Compare that with The Alchemical Wedding where Christian Rosycross sees Venus: Now I beheld a magnificent bed ready made, draped with beautiful curtains, one of which he drew back. There I saw the Lady Venus. Entirely naked – for he [the page] had also lifted the coverlets – lying there in such beauty and grace that I was almost beside myself. Makes you think, doesn’t it?
 
I’m also intrigued by Fleur’s sister. Fleur says, You remember my seester, Gabrielle? She never stops talking about ‘Arry Potter. She will be delighted to see you again [at the wedding].
 
So what does Gabrielle personify or symbolise? I must ask our Hebrew speaking members here. All I know is that when a Hebrew name ends in –el it means, “God” as in Gabriel, Michael, Uriel, etc. As we know Harry saved her (unnecessarily, but still...) in the lake. All very symbolic but beyond my grasp just now.
 
It looks like I may have to change the stuff on the website. I wrote that before I’d read Part 6. This is what it says under the heading, Bill:
The gland connected to this chakra is the pineal gland. This is symbolised by Dumbledore's office. In the climax of Harry Potter both Bill and Dumbledore's office will play a key role because this is where the Holy Spirit enters to perform the alchemical wedding. This wedding is the eternal unification of the spirit (Hermione), the soul (Harry) and the personality (Ron).
 
And under the heading The Weasleys Role in the climax of the series I’ve written:
In the final ceremony there is an alchemical wedding to unite Harry Ron and Hermione for ever. Bill Weasley plays a unique and essential role in this.
However after the climax and the joy, something happens which suddenly changes everything. Harry ends up taking Hagrid's place as keeper of the Keys at Hogwarts. The story ends with Harry ferrying first years across the lake.
Instead of the alchemical wedding uniting the trio, it looks like this wedding is going to be the one between Bill and Fleur. I will leave the website as it is until I know more (The Enlightenment would be handy just now).
 
As usual, any explanation of the symbolism in Harry Potter raises more questions than answers. For example what is this business about Bill being bitten by a werewolf? In my discussion of Lupin I have mentioned that lycanthropy is a symbol for the flawed nature of earthly goodness. That’s probably true in a general sense, but it probably means more specifically. Does this also apply to Bill? Or will Bill not be affected by lycanthropy? Is it some veiled reference to the pineal gland or chakra of the ordinary mortal person being damaged by man’s animal nature? That would make sense.
 
Also what was Fleur doing in Part 4? This part is the most difficult part for me as far as symbolism goes. All I know is that it shows a training ground for future Bodhisattvas. In earlier posts we’ve discussed the four elements: fire (the Goblet), water (the lake), air (flying through the air to fight the dragon) and earth (the maze). There are four trials, which Harry passes well. But why was Fleur there? And why doesn’t she do as well at the trials? It’s all incredibly intriguing.
 
Carolina:
He [Harry] mentions that Fleur is not stupid and was smart enough to enter the Triwizard Tournament.
 
Hans:
Exactly! She was judged by the Goblet of Fire to be the most intelligent and capable witch at Beaubatons. Is this a veiled reference to her role as the New Mind of the reborn alchemist? But I thought that was Hermione!
 
Friends, I’m convinced I’m basically right about the symbolism in Harry Potter but I’m only scratching the surface.
 
Valky:
Thanks to Caroline for an excellent Summary of the Chapter and a list of really
great launching points for discussion.

Hans:
Thanks for your post, too, Valky! I agree. I hope some members can help me work out this great puzzle.
 
Warm regards to all.
 
Hans


"If I talk too freely about whether I believe in God I think the intelligent reader, whether 10 or 60, will be able to guess what's coming in the books." JK Rowling
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Hello everyone!! Hans has asked me to introduce myself to the group...My name is Carolina, I am 22 years old and have been a fan of Harry Potter for about 4...
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... <snip introductions> Valky: Hello Carolina and welcome to posting! It's great to have you on the pitch. :D ... <snip Chapter Summary> ... Valky: I agree...
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