Coy,

Right now, I am scheduled to start out from Springer on or about the
1st of June to hike the GA section.

Dave

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Coy" <starnescr@y...> wrote:
> Dave, Rick, John, others
>
> I was just talking with Cody about going back to the hammock
hanging
> event.  He has this bright idea of hiking in from Springer.  I
would
> have to take a few days off.  I will definantly have to get in a
> little better shape between now and then.  Would anybody be
> interested in starting at Springer or even a little closere in and
> hiking to the hangout.  Its just over 100 miles IIRC.  I would have
> my wife meet us at the campout so we should be able to shuttle back
> to vehicles on Sunday.  Contact me off list if interested.
>
> Coy Boy

B D wrote:
>A novell bear defense technique.

Dang! I thought maybe it was a story about someone scaring a bear off with
networking software.

Matthew Takeda
the JOAT

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "firefly" <firefly@e...>
wrote:
>
> Matthew, your technique might have worked, but just barely. And
the wounds,
> had he failed, would have been unbearable, especially on bare
skin. I cannot
> bare the thought of such a thing.
> Marsanne
>
> Dang! I thought maybe it was a story about someone scaring a bear
off with
> networking software.
>
> Matthew Takeda
> the JOAT

Possibly the best "Novell" defense would have been "Mono", but then
again, this might only make the bear lethargic, take his time while
he eats you... ;)

Shane "Mirage"...

PS:  Mono is an OpenSource project now "owned" by Novell since the
primary developer, Miquel de Icaza, works for them.  Of course we
are WAY OT now...

The May issue of my FREE Hammock Camping Newsletter has just been
published.  See it online at:
http://www.hammockcamping.com/Newsletters/2004/May2004.htm

The feature article describes our upcoming Hammock Hangers Campout at
Hot Springs, NC on June 12

Anyone wishing to subscribe to the monthly Hammock Camping News eZine
can do so by sending an email to: Hammock_Camping_News-
subscribe@yahoogroups.com

Happy Hammocking...Ed

Where does everyone stow their packs and contents when using a
hammock. With a tent , I just drag the pack inside, and can
distribute the sil bags of whatever in different areas of the tent.

Thanks for the help
Bryan Webb

Depends on the pack, the weather and other considerations, but
generally I hang it up outside the hammock (sometimes I stuff it in a
plastic garbage bag and just place it underneath the hammock). I find
that even small packs are a pain if they're rattling around inside the
hammock.

I have a removable lid on a couple of my packs, and I usually take
that, my hydration bladder, and a couple of small stuff sacks (one used
for a pillow) inside with me. I often use extra clothing to line the
sides of the hammock beyond my pad to block some of the cold. After all
that, and with my food bear-bagged, there's really not much left inside
the pack, so it's not a big deal to hang it from a branch or the
hammock line.

Anyone else have better solutions?


On Apr 28, 2004, at 9:22 PM, bww00amdahl wrote:

> Where does everyone stow their packs and contents when using a
> hammock. With a tent , I just drag the pack inside, and can
> distribute the sil bags of whatever in different areas of the tent.

I've left it out, under the hammock in a trash bag, like Steve, brining all but
the cook
set into the hammock with me.

I hang some of rest off the ridge line (HH or Speer) and some on the hang lines
(hammock -> tree), but still under the tarp, and some as pillows, and foot
insulation.

I have a new pack (Granite Gear Vapor Trail, that I've not had a chance to
really get on
the trail with, but is small and flexible enough that I might try it under my
feet/knees
in my Speer (don't think it would work as well on my HH).

On my next home made hammock, I plan to incorporate some loops inside the
hammock at the head and foot, both for grabbing to reposition, but also to tie
off
other gear when not using a ridge line.

Shane "Mirage"...

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, SF Nazdarovye <nazdarovye@y...>
wrote:
> Depends on the pack, the weather and other considerations, but
> generally I hang it up outside the hammock (sometimes I stuff it in a
> plastic garbage bag and just place it underneath the hammock). I find
> that even small packs are a pain if they're rattling around inside the
> hammock.
>
> I have a removable lid on a couple of my packs, and I usually take
> that, my hydration bladder, and a couple of small stuff sacks (one used
> for a pillow) inside with me. I often use extra clothing to line the
> sides of the hammock beyond my pad to block some of the cold. After all
> that, and with my food bear-bagged, there's really not much left inside
> the pack, so it's not a big deal to hang it from a branch or the
> hammock line.
>
> Anyone else have better solutions?
>
>
> On Apr 28, 2004, at 9:22 PM, bww00amdahl wrote:
>
> > Where does everyone stow their packs and contents when using a
> > hammock. With a tent , I just drag the pack inside, and can
> > distribute the sil bags of whatever in different areas of the tent.

bww00amdahl wrote:

>Where does everyone stow their packs and contents when using a
>hammock. With a tent , I just drag the pack inside, and can
>distribute the sil bags of whatever in different areas of the tent.
>
>Thanks for the help
>Bryan Webb
>
>
>
I normally put the pack on the ground under my hammock.  If it looks
like a thunderstorm is coming, I put the straps down and put the pack
cover on the pack

Rick

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, Rick <ra1@i...> wrote:
> bww00amdahl wrote:
>
> >Where does everyone stow their packs and contents when using a
> >hammock. With a tent , I just drag the pack inside, and can
> >distribute the sil bags of whatever in different areas of the tent.
> >
> >Thanks for the help
> >Bryan Webb

I usually hang my food/kitchen from a bear line and empty the
contents of my pack into one of those white plastic trash compactor
bags.  I have accessory line tied into my hammock knots and I use
those to position my empty backpack (GoLite Breeze without hip belt)
under my feet between the layers of my two-layer hammock.  (Sometimes
I put stuff in the pack for insulation.)  Depending on the conditions
and what clothing I have, some of it gets strategicaly placed between
the two layers to improve insulation.  The trash compactor bag goes
outside of my hammock within reach, in case I want access to
something.  I use my silnylon clothes bag for a pillow and sometimes
put clothes in my sleeping bag stuff sack to place under my knees.

Youngblood

then just hike fast and catch up!!!

Coy Boy
PS I'm seriously thinking of starting at the Cosby Campground
parking area.  Good place to park and leave a vehicle.  Hiking out
of the park on day one thus avoiding needing to worry with permits.
Another possibility is to start at Newfound Gap and just hike down
the side trails a little ways at night to avoid the shelters.  Only
the designated camps tend to be several miles off the AT.  Another
possibility woiuld be to hike From NFG to Hughs Ridge Trail then
conitinuing on around on the various trails around the base of the
mountains till hooking back onto the AT at Davenport.  Its about 10
miles total to hike up to the AT from Cosby, continue north on the
AT and get out of the park.  How far is it to Hot Springs from
Davenport?  Does the AT run close to the HotSprings Campground?  If
my wife dont show, could I pay sombody for a ride (Cody and I) back
to Cosby.  Hopefully someone headed back in that direction?



--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Womble" <dpwomble@y...>
wrote:
> Coy,
>
> Right now, I am scheduled to start out from Springer on or about
the
> 1st of June to hike the GA section.
>
> Dave

Has everyone seen the latest Hammock Camping Newsletter, and Ed's new
multi-function sleeping bag announcement?  This sounds fantastic.  How
about some more details, Ed.  Is the hood like a regular sleeping bag
hood, or more like a jacket hood, or some unique designs?  Can't wait
to see some pictures.  I've been tempted to get one of your top
blankets, but would miss the hood too much.

DebW

I don't know about better,  What I do is throw a loop with a mini-biner
around a convenient tree.  (Often one of the hammock support trees.)  The
pack clips to the mini-biner and gets to wear it's pack cover.  The last
trip my clothing bag formed part of my padding/insulation under me inside
the hammock.  Experiments will continue through the summer.

Black Wolfe


> Anyone else have better solutions?

Byran,

I put everything in a garbage bag inside my pack and use lines to suspend the
pack in the trees as a "rodent bag."  Rig the "rodent bag" before dark because
it is a real PITA to do it with your headlamp.

My fanny pack with emergency equipment and sanitary supplies is snapped over
the foot end of the hammock line.  On the head end of the hammock line I have
a single clothes clip where I hang the socks that I wore that day.  On the
foot end of the hammock line I have 2 clothes clips that hold my rain jacket
and hat.  The clothes clips are the way that I can tell the difference between
the head and foot of the HH when in the snakeskins.
http://trailquest.net/dlgcclothesclip.html

Glasses and red LED light goes in the mesh bag on the ridge line.

My shoes are loosely laced so that I can wear them as slippers and they are on
the TYVEK ground cloth below the hammock.

The only items that are loose in the body of the hammock are the fleece
clothes bag that is my pillow, an insulating jacket, the sleeping bag and
closed cell pad.

I  clip a bladder of water/iced tea to the carabiner in the head end of the
hammock and loop the hydration tube over the ridge line.

Way more information than you asked for.

Dick Matthews


bww00amdahl wrote:

> Where does everyone stow their packs and contents when using a
> hammock. With a tent , I just drag the pack inside, and can
> distribute the sil bags of whatever in different areas of the tent.
>
> Thanks for the help
> Bryan Webb
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

I've been curious about your latest design, and of course thinking of
copying everything you've done when you have it perfected.  (I really
appreciate all the invention you do with these designs and your very
generous sharing of information)  I was suprised to see your latest
design going with an inside-the-hammock pad rather than an outside
insulator concept.  It seems to me (I have a HH Explorer UL Asym and
a Scout, but less than a dozen nights of use; I definitely defer to
the master) that the major advantage of the hammock is that the
insulation under the sleeper does not need to be compressed as it
does with ground-sleeping.  Since the hammock itself provides the
comfort factor by suspending the sleeper, the under-insulation need
only provide the insulation function rather than both insulation and
padding from the cold-hard ground, as a pad on the ground is required
to do.  By using a pad inside the hammock, the insulation properties
of that material are reduced by compressing it and the material
itself is less than ideal from a insulation/weight consideration. So
why a pad fixed inside the hammock rather than an underquilt? If you
wanted a pad along for other reasons, say for occasions when ground
sleeping was necessary, why not attach it below the hammock bottom so
the insulation is not compressed?  I would think that would make
keeping the pad in place much easier when you move around.  As a
neophyte hanger, I'm probably missing something.  I'll await that
palm hitting the forehead moment when you explain the probably
obvious.  Thanks again for all your contributions to the hammocking
comunity.

Rick in FL
> The main problem I have with the pads is not moving the long
direction
> in the hammock, but the short way.  They pop out from under me.  The
> cloth I am using now does two things:
> - keeps the pad from popping out the side
> - more importantly, it reduces my push on the pad from sticking to
my
> clothes.  This allows it to stay in place.
>
> Rick

Quoting neptuneuu <neptunebeach@...>:

Hi Rick in FL,

> I was suprised to see your latest
> design going with an inside-the-hammock pad rather than an outside
> insulator concept.

I have played with the outside insulation and come up with what I think is a
good solution in the WarmHammock.  However, it is a bulky solution, and not all
that light.  In addition, I use a pack which requires a pad as part of its
support.  And further, having a pad makes the occasional use of a floor,
shelter, or other surface more usable for sleeping.

I do have further work to do with down insulation.  I really need to get back to
that sometime soon.

However, a pad is easy, cheap, available, and warm.  It is more easily used by
most people. So I continue to explore pad based concepts.

  If you
> wanted a pad along for other reasons, say for occasions when ground
> sleeping was necessary, why not attach it below the hammock bottom so
> the insulation is not compressed?

The answer here is simple.  The pad has to be against me to keep me warm.  If a
layer of air can blow or move between me and the pad, almost all the effect of
the pad is lost.  I did try putting a pad in the open space of a Garlington
Insulator, and had no additional heat savings at all.  I do not believe there is
a practical way to use a pad for insulation  outside the hammock.

This same thing is true for underquilts.  Unless an air space between the
hammock and quilt is removed, the utility of the underquilt is considerably
reduced.  If cold air can actually blow into the space, then a lot of heat is
lost.

There is advantage in having a bag like the Garlington Insulator or the
TravelPod around other layers of insulation, but I have found that when the
first layer is not essentailly against my skin I loose a lot of heat.

Rick

I'm a newbie to this group but I belong to other cycling groups.
I've been trying to get some answers to stealth camping questions.
I'm considering an extended European bike trip and to broaden my
resources (read money) I am considering some stealth camping on the
way. No cooking and when it's miserable out or I need to wash up,
I'll check into a B&B.
I'm considering purchasing the Hennessey Explorer Ultralite A-Sym.
Will water seep into the hammock if I don't use my dirty socks as
drip lines on the straps as some suggest?
How do I choose a good stealth sight? On an idyllic trip, I would
find a sight in the late afternoon, take a nap, go into town for a
meal and a couple of pints at the pub and roll back just after
closing. Is this a day dream?
Are there other alternatives to slinging between two trees?
…I've
seen the pictures and I don't have two elephants or two Land
Rovers.
So I'm looking for advice from those of you with European stealth
experience. Tell me stories, warn me what to look out for.

Thanks for your interest in our new sleeping bag Deb.  Unfortunately I
haven't had time yet to prepare photos and ads for my web site. I hope to
get them online tomorrow.  We'll also have them at Trail Days in May....Ed

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Debra Weisenstein [mailto:dweisens@...]
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 9:30 AM
> To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Hammock Camping] Tell us more, Ed
>
>
> Has everyone seen the latest Hammock Camping Newsletter, and
> Ed's new multi-function sleeping bag announcement?  This
> sounds fantastic.  How about some more details, Ed.  Is the
> hood like a regular sleeping bag hood, or more like a jacket
> hood, or some unique designs?  Can't wait to see some
> pictures.  I've been tempted to get one of your top blankets,
> but would miss the hood too much.
>
> DebW
>

My buddy and I are bringing our wives to Trail Days on that Sat.
He and I are big hammockers and hope to meet some of you.  Never
being there before, is it going to be a maze of confusion, mass
humanity and guessing, as to where the hammock booths will be? Do
vendors stay with their own kind? I picture 'Belle Chere' here in
Asheville where one can get lost too easily.  Thanx

<<Never being there before, is it going to be a maze of confusion, mass
humanity and guessing, as to where the hammock booths will be? Do vendors stay
with their own kind? I picture 'Belle Chere' here in Asheville where one can get
lost too easily.>>

Take Belle Chere and shrink it down to Pack Place.  Typically the vendor area is
at the park and it shouldn't be too difficult to find the Speer Hammock Booth. 
Last year we were nearer the gazebo than the caboose and hopefully we'll be in
that same area this year.

Karen

I just want to thank everyone on the list for all the help you gave
me, and to Ed for starting that great group!  I'll be leaving for the
PCT tomorrow and will hammock my way back to Canada (hopefully...).
I might post a few pictures for the home-and-work stranded out there.
Thanks again and happy hanging!
-franc :)

All the best on your hike Franc--sure wish I was out there!  Will be looking
for your trailside letters....Ed
Moderator, Hammock Camping-L


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Francois [mailto:franczazou@...]
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 12:36 PM
> To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Hammock Camping] Gone Hammocking!
>
>
> I just want to thank everyone on the list for all the help you gave
> me, and to Ed for starting that great group!  I'll be leaving for the
> PCT tomorrow and will hammock my way back to Canada (hopefully...).
> I might post a few pictures for the home-and-work stranded
> out there. Thanks again and happy hanging! -franc :)
>
>
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Yahoo! Groups Links

Will you keep a Trail Journal on the net?

Rick

Quoting Francois <franczazou@...>:

> I just want to thank everyone on the list for all the help you gave
> me, and to Ed for starting that great group!  I'll be leaving for the
> PCT tomorrow ....

> Will you keep a Trail Journal on the net?
>
> Rick
  Hummm...I don't think so.  I never really looked in to it to be
honnest.  The fact that I don't have a computer sur doesn't help!
Maybe I'll put a few pictures on my album if I can find somebody at
home willing to send them to me by e-mail, I'll keep you informed!
-franc quitting is job in 2h. yé!

So if the insulation has to be absolutely up against you, (sound of hand
hitting forehead) the separate and removable underquilts will be fairly
inefficient since they are difficult to suspend hard up against the bottom
of the hammock.  The only way to make an efficient insulated hammock is for
the hammock to BE the lower part of the sleeping bag.  How about attaching
(sewing) a set of differential cut baffles directly to the weight-bearing
surface of the hammock, with the second layer suspended below that and your
favorite insulation material filling the void.  I would think that would
keep the insulation uniformly around you while using minimal extra material
to provide the insulation effect.  You would essentially have a built-in
lower half of a sleeping bag as part of your hammock, as you did with your
warm hammock, but using lighter weight materials and more complete coverage.
The outermost material would have to be fairly wind resistant as well, like
the top of a bivy .The top insulation layer should only require the top half
of a sleeping bag, a quilt.

I'm guessing you've already thought of all that.  Thanks for the opportunity
to catch up with you.

Rick in FL
----- Original Message -----
From: <ra1@...>
To: <hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Re: LiteHammock is born


> Quoting neptuneuu <neptunebeach@...>:
>
> Hi Rick in FL,
>
> > I was suprised to see your latest
> > design going with an inside-the-hammock pad rather than an outside
> > insulator concept.
>
> I have played with the outside insulation and come up with what I think is
a
> good solution in the WarmHammock.  However, it is a bulky solution, and
not all
> that light.  In addition, I use a pack which requires a pad as part of its
> support.  And further, having a pad makes the occasional use of a floor,
> shelter, or other surface more usable for sleeping.
>
> I do have further work to do with down insulation.  I really need to get
back to
> that sometime soon.
>
> However, a pad is easy, cheap, available, and warm.  It is more easily
used by
> most people. So I continue to explore pad based concepts.
>
>  If you
> > wanted a pad along for other reasons, say for occasions when ground
> > sleeping was necessary, why not attach it below the hammock bottom so
> > the insulation is not compressed?
>
> The answer here is simple.  The pad has to be against me to keep me warm.
If a
> layer of air can blow or move between me and the pad, almost all the
effect of
> the pad is lost.  I did try putting a pad in the open space of a
Garlington
> Insulator, and had no additional heat savings at all.  I do not believe
there is
> a practical way to use a pad for insulation  outside the hammock.
>
> This same thing is true for underquilts.  Unless an air space between the
> hammock and quilt is removed, the utility of the underquilt is
considerably
> reduced.  If cold air can actually blow into the space, then a lot of heat
is lost.
>
> There is advantage in having a bag like the Garlington Insulator or the
> TravelPod around other layers of insulation, but I have found that when
the
> first layer is not essentailly against my skin I loose a lot of heat.
>
> Rick

Hi,

As to getting around Europe... hm, I have slept on benches, in parks, in
trains stations on beaches and in hostels all over europe and never really
had any problems.

I cannot forsee you being arrested as Firefly mentions... The only time i
ever got hassled was when i slept on a beach that closes at night... the
police woke me up and told me to get a move on....

As far as Youth Hostels go... many have an age limit and most are cheaper
than hotels because you pay for a bed, not a room... could mean sharnig a
room  with 10 others, but hey, it's cheaper than a double at most
hotels....

To be honest, even at my age - I'm 35 - I would have no problems with
heading out my door here in Budapest to anywhere ni Europe and just wing
it.. i am sure i will find nice ppl who will put me up or cheap hostels or
places to camp....

check out the lonely planet guide books, they tend to have tons of info on
cheap sleeps... maybe even have some on camping now...

Also, I have stayed in a fair number of European camp grounds, ranging
  from someones back yard to full fledge camp grounds with swimming pools,
beaches and showers, stores and resturanrs.. most had trees, but then i
was not into hammocking so i do know if you could hang in them...

I say, just get your bike and hammock to Europe and start riding...

figure out the routes you want to take, keeping wind in mind and go for
it! Just keep open to route changing and be willing to go off on a whim
some place unplanned. you will have a blast....

Now for specific stealth camping ni Hungary... well, not many ppl do it
here, except fishermen. so any big river will be fine... there are tons of
ppl who set up a tent and stay for days on end along the Danube and the
Tisza... pick a spot you like, go to down, have dinner and a drink, ride
back to your spot after dark, set up hammock and sleep.. wake up, take a
dip in the river, dry, pack, ride.. repeat....

have fun


Robi

On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:46:39 -0500, firefly <firefly@...> wrote:

> Yahoo has some hiking groups based in England. One, which is very nice,
> is
> called “Fellwalking”. Also, except for the European component, lots of us
> have asked similar questions, and many answers can be found by checking
> our
> group archives. Plug the topic into the search engine. This will save you
> some time and make it easier for those here who would be delighted to
> help
> you.  The best resource of all, though, is Ed Speer’s book and website.
> Check out www.hammockcamping.com <http://www.hammockcamping.com/> .   I
> have
> limited experience in England. They don’t do a lot of what they call
> “wild
> camping” because the pubs are too close together. Personally, I would not
> risk arrest in a foreign country, even a friendly one like England. You
> might check out youth hostels. I never thought I would stay in one, but
> they
> ’re all over Europe, in some fine locations. They are often overrun with
> local schoolchildren in the summer, but that comes with the territory.
> Firefly.
>
>
> I'm a newbie to this group but I belong to other cycling groups.
> I've been trying to get some answers to stealth camping questions.
> I'm considering an extended European bike trip and to broaden my
> resources (read money) I am considering some stealth camping on the
> way. No cooking and when it's miserable out or I need to wash up,
> I'll check into a B&B.
> I'm considering purchasing the Hennessey Explorer Ultralite A-Sym.
> Will water seep into the hammock if I don't use my dirty socks as
> drip lines on the straps as some suggest?
> How do I choose a good stealth sight? On an idyllic trip, I would
> find a sight in the late afternoon, take a nap, go into town for a
> meal and a couple of pints at the pub and roll back just after
> closing. Is this a day dream?
> Are there other alternatives to slinging between two trees?
> ...I've
> seen the pictures and I don't have two elephants or two Land
> Rovers.
> So I'm looking for advice from those of you with European stealth
> experience. Tell me stories, warn me what to look out for.
>
>
>
>
>



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