so brian you are getting some good PR tips... like the stuff re: waste,
makes sense

what i woudl like to know is whether you have a web site or not?

ok, maybe it has been announced here, if so sorry to be redundant...
either way, shoot me an email with the url... either on or off list

robi
AKA Bean
beanco@...

I see HH is now being marketed under the Downstream name at Northern
Mountain. Nothing about this on the HH website. Anyone know anything?
Hope Tom's not selling his company and bailing to NZ permanently.

http://www.northernmountain.com/

Hey, lots of bargains on there. Better for actual gear than
sierratradingpost, which seems to be mostly expensive sporty clothes
and snowboarding stuff now. Check out the GoLite items.

Best, Todd in Tarzana.

On Saturday, February 28, 2004, at 12:30 AM, subypower wrote:

> sorry for not answering any posts or emails i have been the the
> hospital sense monday after noon, with a sever virus going around the
> maryland area. it has been bad enough that several people have died
> in the area, mostly from dehidration at home. to give the systopms i
> had were sever diarea and vomitting with really screwed up blood
> chemistry, when i checked in on monady my blood pressure was 15
> points lower when standing than sitting and i recieved 2 liters of
> fluids by iv on monday night ( total of 4 liters by wednsday)and did
> not go to the bathroom ( peeing ) for 24 hours after that, i am
> better now but not fully recovered yet.

Hey, Scott.. how ya feeling?

-amy

Gang:

Found this the other day, and wanted to make sure you knew it
existed. Don't know ANYthing about it but what the site says. It's
on the bottom half of the page.

http://www.mpioutdoors.com/netting5.htm

Bear

A while back somebody posted that they attached the webbing to the
hammock body using a knot rather than sewing. I never was able to sew
the straps very well, I'm not sure why.

But the knot idea sounded cooler anyway, that way I can make
new/different hammock bodies and then swap or steal the straps off of
an older one.

I can't remember what knot the person recommended. I forgot to save it
for future reference and the search function on the groups isn't
searching the whole archive. Someone else commented on this before. It
seems to only search the most recent posts.

Thanks!

I was camping at Yosemite this weekend with a bunch of folks who were
sitting around our "snow kitchen" (dug 4-5' deep in a 7'+ snowpack),
talking about various winter shelters, which spurred a crazy thought:

In areas like the Sierra Nevada, where snow depths are significant
enough, how about digging a trench between two suitable trees and then
hanging the hammock inside of it? For a Hennessy, this would have to be
an offset rectangle to match the "Asym" shape, and it would take some
work - but really no more than digging a snow cave or making a
tarp-covered trench (a not-unheard-of technique).

Sure, I'd rather unfurl a nice underquilt or have one of Risk's
inventions - but this struck me as at least an intriguing option in the
right conditions, as well as perhaps a good way to ride out an
unexpected storm if the only other option were hanging in the midst of
it.

What do you all think? Maybe I'll try this on my next snow camping trip
if the snow is still deep enough...

- Steve

Ok, I found the message, so I'll answer my on post! It's message
#4207.

Mirage said he uses a prusik knot.

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "matthulbert" <ms@u...> wrote:
> A while back somebody posted that they attached the webbing to the
> hammock body using a knot rather than sewing. I never was able to
sew
> the straps very well, I'm not sure why.
>
> But the knot idea sounded cooler anyway, that way I can make
> new/different hammock bodies and then swap or steal the straps off
of
> an older one.
>
> I can't remember what knot the person recommended. I forgot to
save it
> for future reference and the search function on the groups isn't
> searching the whole archive. Someone else commented on this
before. It
> seems to only search the most recent posts.
>
> Thanks!

Would you roof it over?

Seems like a larege volume of snow to move.

But still seems intruiging???


Ralph


--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, SF Nazdarovye
<nazdarovye@y...> wrote:
> I was camping at Yosemite this weekend with a bunch of folks who
were
> sitting around our "snow kitchen" (dug 4-5' deep in a 7'+
snowpack),
> talking about various winter shelters, which spurred a crazy
thought:
>
> In areas like the Sierra Nevada, where snow depths are significant
> enough, how about digging a trench between two suitable trees and
then
> hanging the hammock inside of it? For a Hennessy, this would have
to be
> an offset rectangle to match the "Asym" shape, and it would take
some
> work - but really no more than digging a snow cave or making a
> tarp-covered trench (a not-unheard-of technique).
>
> Sure, I'd rather unfurl a nice underquilt or have one of Risk's
> inventions - but this struck me as at least an intriguing option
in the
> right conditions, as well as perhaps a good way to ride out an
> unexpected storm if the only other option were hanging in the
midst of
> it.
>
> What do you all think? Maybe I'll try this on my next snow camping
trip
> if the snow is still deep enough...
>
> - Steve

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "matthulbert" <ms@u...> wrote:
> Ok, I found the message, so I'll answer my on post! It's message
> #4207.
>
> Mirage said he uses a prusik knot.
>

Correct, except that I now use only a simple larks head.  I've been
playing with all kinds of configurations, so it's real handy to pop
the webbing or rope on and off easily.

Shane "Mirage"...

matthulbert wrote:

>A while back somebody posted that they attached the webbing to the
>hammock body using a knot rather than sewing. I never was able to sew
>the straps very well, I'm not sure why.
>
>But the knot idea sounded cooler anyway, that way I can make
>new/different hammock bodies and then swap or steal the straps off of
>an older one.
>
>I can't remember what knot the person recommended. I forgot to save it
>for future reference and the search function on the groups isn't
>searching the whole archive. Someone else commented on this before. It
>seems to only search the most recent posts.
>
>Thanks!
>
>
>
See:

http://www.imrisk.com/testhammock/testhammock.htm

Rick

Steve, a snow trench as you describe should work very well to block cold
wind.  While I've never tried snow, I have used piles of dry leaves in the
fall to create a similar 'trench' beneath my hammock--works great to block
cold wind....Ed


> -----Original Message-----
> From: SF Nazdarovye [mailto:nazdarovye@...]
> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 6:04 PM
> To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Hammock Camping] Snow Trench for Hammock Warmth?
>
>
> I was camping at Yosemite this weekend with a bunch of folks who were
> sitting around our "snow kitchen" (dug 4-5' deep in a 7'+ snowpack),
> talking about various winter shelters, which spurred a crazy thought:
>
> In areas like the Sierra Nevada, where snow depths are significant
> enough, how about digging a trench between two suitable trees
> and then
> hanging the hammock inside of it? For a Hennessy, this would
> have to be
> an offset rectangle to match the "Asym" shape, and it would take some
> work - but really no more than digging a snow cave or making a
> tarp-covered trench (a not-unheard-of technique).
>
> Sure, I'd rather unfurl a nice underquilt or have one of Risk's
> inventions - but this struck me as at least an intriguing
> option in the
> right conditions, as well as perhaps a good way to ride out an
> unexpected storm if the only other option were hanging in the
> midst of
> it.
>
> What do you all think? Maybe I'll try this on my next snow
> camping trip
> if the snow is still deep enough...
>
> - Steve
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

Probably not more than twice the volume of snow than for a regular slit
trench (not that that's not significant). Also, you could pile the snow
up on either side, making it a viable wind block sooner than just
digging straight down.

If you dug it the right shape, the hammock tarp would cover it over,
just barely, and could be anchored down at the head/foot corner
tie-outs. There's still be a bit of ventilation out of each end, which
might be desirable, or you might want to cover those with snow blocks.

Again, not something I'd probably set out to do on purpose for
comfortable camping, but I know those slit trenches work pretty well
when covered with a tarp, and having a hammock hanging in one sounded
intriguing enough to try out at least once...  Like I said, if there's
enough snow at Crane Flat when we go there the first week of April,
I'll give it a try!

- Steve


On Monday, March 8, 2004, at 03:26  PM, Ralph Oborn wrote:

> Would you roof it over?
>
> Seems like a larege volume of snow to move.
>
> But still seems intruiging???
>
>
> Ralph

Is the synthetic Speer Pea Pods made with a water resistent (DWR)
coating on the rip stop nylon? If not, is spraying something on it
going to affect breathability? The last storm blew horizontal rain
under my tarp and got it wet some, but not much. Gave me cause for
future concerns. Thanx

Now you come up with this great idea, just as the snow around here
is finally melting.  ;]

Ralph    (in Pocatello)


--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, SF Nazdarovye
<nazdarovye@y...> wrote:
> Probably not more than twice the volume of snow than for a regular
slit
> trench (not that that's not significant). Also, you could pile the
snow
> up on either side, making it a viable wind block sooner than just
> digging straight down.
>
> If you dug it the right shape, the hammock tarp would cover it
over,
> just barely, and could be anchored down at the head/foot corner
> tie-outs. There's still be a bit of ventilation out of each end,
which
> might be desirable, or you might want to cover those with snow
blocks.
>
> Again, not something I'd probably set out to do on purpose for
> comfortable camping, but I know those slit trenches work pretty
well
> when covered with a tarp, and having a hammock hanging in one
sounded
> intriguing enough to try out at least once...  Like I said, if
there's
> enough snow at Crane Flat when we go there the first week of
April,
> I'll give it a try!
>
> - Steve
>
>
> On Monday, March 8, 2004, at 03:26  PM, Ralph Oborn wrote:
>
> > Would you roof it over?
> >
> > Seems like a larege volume of snow to move.
> >
> > But still seems intruiging???
> >
> >
> > Ralph

The 1.1 ripstop nylon we use for both our synthetic and down PeaPods is
treated with DWR, however I suspect additional treatment would be useful. I
just bought a spray can of DWR to re-treat my personal PeaPod.  Any brand
should work OK--just spray on the outside of the fabric until it it is
evenly wet, then line dry.  Spray cans should not affect the insulation--I'd
avoid the 'soak-it-in-the-washing-machine' variety of DWR treatments and
stick with the spray ons....Ed      Moderator, Hammock Camping-L
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hammockcamping

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ghman777 [mailto:ghman777@...]
> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 9:23 PM
> To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Hammock Camping] just purchased a pea pod, got a ?
>
>
> Is the synthetic Speer Pea Pods made with a water resistent (DWR)
> coating on the rip stop nylon? If not, is spraying something on it
> going to affect breathability? The last storm blew horizontal rain
> under my tarp and got it wet some, but not much. Gave me cause for
> future concerns. Thanx
>

Hey all, just a quick word of thanks for letting me lurk around to
absorb expertise from the group.  I'm striking out for the
Appalachian trail later this week; as a result of this group I'll be
using a Hennessy once the weather warms a bit.

Special thanks to Ed, Shane (placewithnoname shane), Marsanne, Risk,
& Rosaleen.  Awesome.

Logan

HopLite
www.trailjournals.com/hoplite

Glad to have you on board HopLite and best of luck on that AT hike.  Hope
you'll be able to stop at the new outfitter at Rainbow Springs Campground
near Franklin, NC and check out my Speer Hammocks and PeaPods--they're on
display 24/7 for anyone to try!  ....Ed

> -----Original Message-----
> From: hoplitehiker [mailto:hiker@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 11:02 AM
> To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Hammock Camping] Pulling up the stakes
>
>
> Hey all, just a quick word of thanks for letting me lurk around to
> absorb expertise from the group.  I'm striking out for the
> Appalachian trail later this week; as a result of this group I'll be
> using a Hennessy once the weather warms a bit.
>
> Special thanks to Ed, Shane (placewithnoname shane), Marsanne, Risk,
> & Rosaleen.  Awesome.
>
> Logan
>
> HopLite
> www.trailjournals.com/hoplite

I'm striking out for the
> Appalachian trail later this week;
> Logan
>
> HopLite
> www.trailjournals.com/hoplite
>
Happy trails HopLite!  If you find yourself somewhere you can not hang an
hammock, enjoy the sunlight.  You will be able to hang one all too soon on the
long green tunnel. Maybe we will see one another somewhere on one of my section
hikes this year.  I will look for your journal entries.

Have fun.

risk

The hammocks are also at Neel's Gap, Ed, along with your book.  Hoplite, you
will enjoy the hostel at Neel's Gap. I left a few things there in the hiker
box.
Have a great trip. I am envious.
Marsanne



Glad to have you on board HopLite and best of luck on that AT hike.  Hope
you'll be able to stop at the new outfitter at Rainbow Springs Campground
near Franklin, NC and check out my Speer Hammocks and PeaPods--they're on
display 24/7 for anyone to try!  ....Ed

Ed
Do you recommend doing this on all PeaPods?  What
about the speer top blanket?  Do you think that this
will effect the breathability of the PeaPod?
Thanks
--- Ed Speer <info@...> wrote:
> The 1.1 ripstop nylon we use for both our synthetic
> and down PeaPods is
> treated with DWR, however I suspect additional
> treatment would be useful. I
> just bought a spray can of DWR to re-treat my
> personal PeaPod.  Any brand
> should work OK--just spray on the outside of the
> fabric until it it is
> evenly wet, then line dry.  Spray cans should not
> affect the insulation--I'd
> avoid the 'soak-it-in-the-washing-machine' variety
> of DWR treatments and
> stick with the spray ons....Ed      Moderator,
> Hammock Camping-L
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hammockcamping
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ghman777 [mailto:ghman777@...]
> > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 9:23 PM
> > To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Hammock Camping] just purchased a pea
> pod, got a ?
> >
> >
> > Is the synthetic Speer Pea Pods made with a water
> resistent (DWR)
> > coating on the rip stop nylon? If not, is spraying
> something on it
> > going to affect breathability? The last storm blew
> horizontal rain
> > under my tarp and got it wet some, but not much.
> Gave me cause for
> > future concerns. Thanx
> >
>
>


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I'm about to embark on making another hammock and have been reading
Risk's great experiments (thanks Risk!).

I think the double bottom hammock (for a place for the pad) sounds
really good, especially with his results with the overlapped target
pads. I think I'll make a travelpod, too, so that I can use this
hammock in various temperatures using a variation of pads, bug nets
and the travelpod.

So my question is this:
I'm going to make the double bottom one (not Risk's newest one with
insulation). Risk had used the 1.1 oz fabric on his. I'd like to use
the 1.1 oz to save weight (since there's two layers). I get the
feeling that Risk didn't use his 1.1 oz hammock enough to test it's
strength (cause he was making about a hammock a week at that point).

Is the 1.1 oz strong enough? What's the consensus on this? Risk?
Anybody? I only weigh about 165, but I'm not obsessed with weight. So
I could use 1.9 oz, it just seems like it would be fine for my use.

I like my HH, but here in the NW, it's pretty cold (for hammocking
anyway) so I think I'll keep that for summer use and use this new
hammock the rest of the year. Every trip I took last year had nights
in the high 30s to low 40s, regardless of the time of year.

Thanks all!

Quoting matthulbert <ms@...>:

> I'm about to embark on making another hammock and have been reading
> Risk's great experiments (thanks Risk!).

You're welcome!
>
> I'm going to make the double bottom one (not Risk's newest one with
> insulation). Risk had used the 1.1 oz fabric on his. I'd like to use
> the 1.1 oz to save weight (since there's two layers). I get the
> feeling that Risk didn't use his 1.1 oz hammock enough to test it's
> strength (cause he was making about a hammock a week at that point).
>
> Is the 1.1 oz strong enough? What's the consensus on this? Risk?
> Anybody? I only weigh about 165, but I'm not obsessed with weight. So
> I could use 1.9 oz, it just seems like it would be fine for my use.
>
I have used the 1.1 oz double bottom hammock more than any other hammock.  I
have spent about 30 nights in it.  It is very strong.  It has not begun to fray
or separate or otherwise begin to look like it is wearing at all.  I will
probably be going back to it for spring/summer use.

I weigh just under 200 pounds.

Of course, I am obsessed with weight. That is one reason I trim my hammocks to 4
feet wide.  You could make a double bottom hammock out of 1.9 oz nylon.  I have
hung out with my wife in one several times.  It easily holds 350 pounds.
However, it is way overengineered for one sleeper.

risk

> Special thanks to Ed, Shane (placewithnoname shane), Marsanne, Risk,
> & Rosaleen.  Awesome.

You're welcome.  Good luck!

Shane

Risk, does the 4ft width change any other characteristics of the
hammock? Does it wrap around you less and lay a little flatter?

I was thinking of doing the bugnet old style (speer, with velcro) so I
only have to use it when I need it. My hennessy has the built-in net
and it seems to be nice to have a hammock without one, especially in
colder weather when I don't need it. Do you like the net built-in better?

Thanks.

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, ra1@i... wrote:
> Quoting matthulbert <ms@u...>:
>
> > I'm about to embark on making another hammock and have been reading
> > Risk's great experiments (thanks Risk!).
>
> You're welcome!
> >
> > I'm going to make the double bottom one (not Risk's newest one with
> > insulation). Risk had used the 1.1 oz fabric on his. I'd like to use
> > the 1.1 oz to save weight (since there's two layers). I get the
> > feeling that Risk didn't use his 1.1 oz hammock enough to test it's
> > strength (cause he was making about a hammock a week at that point).
> >
> > Is the 1.1 oz strong enough? What's the consensus on this? Risk?
> > Anybody? I only weigh about 165, but I'm not obsessed with weight. So
> > I could use 1.9 oz, it just seems like it would be fine for my use.
> >
> I have used the 1.1 oz double bottom hammock more than any other
hammock.  I
> have spent about 30 nights in it.  It is very strong.  It has not
begun to fray
> or separate or otherwise begin to look like it is wearing at all.  I
will
> probably be going back to it for spring/summer use.
>
> I weigh just under 200 pounds.
>
> Of course, I am obsessed with weight. That is one reason I trim my
hammocks to 4
> feet wide.  You could make a double bottom hammock out of 1.9 oz
nylon.  I have
> hung out with my wife in one several times.  It easily holds 350
pounds.
> However, it is way overengineered for one sleeper.
>
> risk

Hey Risk:

When you trim the width to four feet, do you find the
mosquito net hangs poorly? What's your latest favorite way
to rig the net?

Bear

Quoting matthulbert <ms@...>:

> Risk, does the 4ft width change any other characteristics of the
> hammock? Does it wrap around you less and lay a little flatter?

I started using it because it is lighter.  I now love the narrower width because
I can see out of it while laying down when I want to.  The most comfortable
position is with feet on one side of the midline, and head on the other side.
If I really move my head far to one side, then the hammock warps in such a way
that I am looking out of it sideways.

However, in general, it lays about the same... just with a little less "taco"
feeling.
>
> I was thinking of doing the bugnet old style (speer, with velcro) so I
> only have to use it when I need it. My hennessy has the built-in net
> and it seems to be nice to have a hammock without one, especially in
> colder weather when I don't need it. Do you like the net built-in better?

I like the built in bug net, but am experimenting with a separate bug net.  This
one is not velcro attached.  It hangs from a sewn in grosgrain ribbon along the
middle of the long length.  This ribbon is tied/attached to loops on the webbing
straps.  The net closes on both sides of the hammock by gravity.  The other way
it can be used is to tie the grosgrain to tabs of the tarp.  I have not tested
enough to be a believer in this for the hammock, but it would work nicely as a
bug net for nights under the tarp, sleeping on grass when the hammock was not
used.
>
I don't have pictures of these ideas up yet.  I have not done enough
experimenting to know if I like it yet.

OBTW, if the bug net works well attached to the tarp, then using TarpTubes to
furl the tarp and bug net would be a great time saver.

Y'all always give me so much to think of, to try, and to report on!  It is
wonderful.  Thanks for the interest.

Rick

Quoting David Chinell <dchinell@...>:

> Hey Risk:
>
> When you trim the width to four feet, do you find the
> mosquito net hangs poorly? What's your latest favorite way
> to rig the net?

Hi David,

I have mostly used the quarterweight net arrangement with 4 foot width hammocks.
  I do have limited experience with one 5 foot width hammock and the
quarterweight net.  It seems to work the same.
>
For another method see the post I just put up.  It is very early in the
experimental track.  I would have been faster working on it, but daily checks
for nasty biting bugs here in Dayton have been fruitless since October.

;)

Risk