The other reason to not sew the down into the hammock is to allow
the versitility of one hammock for different seasons using
the "layering" technique we are used to in planning our clothing.

Unless you plan on having one hammock for cold, and another for
warm.  Just be sure you don't get caught in the wrong wether with
the wrong hammock ;)

The idea of a double bottom, GI or underquilt allows for extended
versitility around a core piece of equipment, the hammock.

Having said that, someone ought to try it and prove me wrong/right
so we avoid speculation, right?  You know what happens when we
ass/u/me things...

Just my $0.02, YMMV.

Shane "Mirage"...

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas Peltier"
<Thomas@G...> wrote:
> I was thinking about giving it a few inches of extra material
across and
> twice that down the length.  Maybe 3 Or 4 wide and as much as 8 or
10 inches
> in the length.
>
>
>
> What I've been toying with the most in my Psycho-type (that's the
in the
> head version)  how best to do baffles.  I don't want to sew to the
top layer
> so I'm thinking about tubs that lay over.

Used on the clips that hold the tarp taught. I was thinking of using
that sliding knot to tie my tarp to my own hammock support ropes
instead of to a tree. This way I could lower my tarp alot lower in
bad weather.

Hi Ed,

Did you correct the links to Ray's Garlington Insulator in your links? 
I know you took on the hosting of his pages, but in September, the links
still pointed to Mindspring.  I have been doing a bit of work on the
HammockWiki, with fresh material.  That is one of the reasons I wanted
to take some pictures of your 4 wrap knot.

Rick

I can't wait to see the new newsletter!
Rick

Ed Speer wrote:

>
>
> Yeah Rick, there are numerous links to Ray's pages in the newsletter,
> but I think I found and corrected them all. I've also checked all your
> new links to make sure they work. Thanks again for the updates...Ed
> ** <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Hammock_Camping_News>
> **
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* Rick [mailto:ra1@...]
> *Sent:* Monday, September 29, 2003 6:53 PM
> *To:* hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Hammock Camping Speer Four Wrap Knot
>
>     Hi Ed,
>
>     Did you correct the links to Ray's Garlington Insulator in your
>     links?
>     I know you took on the hosting of his pages, but in September, the
>     links
>     still pointed to Mindspring.  I have been doing a bit of work on the
>     HammockWiki, with fresh material.  That is one of the reasons I
>     wanted
>     to take some pictures of your 4 wrap knot.
>
>     Rick
>
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I just posted the October issue of the free Hammock Camping News e-
zine newsletter! See it at:
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This month's feature article is:  How to Waterproof Silnylon Fabrics
There is also a trip report from out Hammock Hangers campout earlier
this month.  As usual, the many links to other informative web sites
has been updated and expanded.

Happy Hammocking Y'all!   ...Ed

I just uploaded 3 pictures under the folder ciyd.  I hammocked on the
Washington coast this weekend.  The trees I tied my hammock were
dead, but they had already fallen down.  From the looks of them, a
big storm washed away enough of the soil from under them last winter
and they collapsed on the beach.  They were tremendously solid, not
termite ridden or diseased, so I felt comfy using them.  Both trees
were much too large for tree huggers alone, so I broke out the 10'
tubular webbing and some carabiners and was set.  One of the photos
shows the webbing extensions.

The weather Saturday was gorgeous.  I skipped the camp fire and just
sat under the stars.  With no moon, all the stars were very visible.
The Milky Way stretched out to the horizon.  The occasional shooting
star passed by.  Even some of the breakers phosphoresced and provided
an eery glow from the depths.  I hit the sack with the rain fly
tossed to one side so I could enjoy the stars and drifted right off.

I woke up about 1:30 to a very strange sound.  I listened carefully,
but it didn't sound like an animal and then I noticed the tap tap tap
of precipitation hitting the rainfly.  Put my hand on the outside of
the sleeping bag and, sure enough, it was pretty damp.  Fog had
rolled in and was so thick it was raining.  Got out, tied the rainfly
into place, took care of nature's call, and got back in to the
hammock.  Woke at 7 am, but it was still really foggy, so I rolled
over and slept in until after 8.  Low tide was 8:30 so I climbed out
of bed, grabbed the camera and headed for the tide pools.  Got some
amazing shots of star fish, in at least 4 different colors, and sea
anemones.  Pictures of fog on the sea stacks.  It was great.

Hung around enjoying the morning and hoping the fog would burn off.
It didn't.  Headed back to the car at 1:30.  A great overnight.

Down sides to beach camping:  salt spray and wet sand.  EVERYTHING
has to be washed or wiped down.

I had problems getting underquilt proto #2 done in time, I had to rip
out some stitching etc, so Proto #1 made the trip eagain with a
couple of modifications.  I posted a picture of it on the hammock so
you can get an idea of what approach I'm taking.  I may have sold
proto #2 to a chap who doesn't want to learn to sew, so not all was
lost.  I've got some new ideas for proto #3 which should make it even
better.

All in all, I had a great weekend and was really glad I brought the
synthetic sleeping bag and not the down bag.  Too warm and too wet.

ciyd

Great info on maintaining silnylon.  Thanks Ed!

ciyd

-----Original Message-----
From: ciyd01 [mailto:ciyd@...]
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 11:05 PM
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Hammock Camping beach hammocking

I just uploaded 3 pictures under the folder ciyd.  I hammocked on the
Washington coast this weekend.  The trees I tied my hammock were
dead, but they had already fallen down.  From the looks of them, a
big storm washed away enough of the soil from under them last winter
and they collapsed on the beach.  They were tremendously solid, not
termite ridden or diseased, so I felt comfy using them.  Both trees
were much too large for tree huggers alone, so I broke out the 10'
tubular webbing and some carabiners and was set.  One of the photos
shows the webbing extensions.

The weather Saturday was gorgeous.  I skipped the camp fire and just
sat under the stars.  With no moon, all the stars were very visible. 
The Milky Way stretched out to the horizon.  The occasional shooting
star passed by.  Even some of the breakers phosphoresced and provided
an eery glow from the depths.  I hit the sack with the rain fly
tossed to one side so I could enjoy the stars and drifted right off.

I woke up about 1:30 to a very strange sound.  I listened carefully,
but it didn't sound like an animal and then I noticed the tap tap tap
of precipitation hitting the rainfly.  Put my hand on the outside of
the sleeping bag and, sure enough, it was pretty damp.  Fog had
rolled in and was so thick it was raining.  Got out, tied the rainfly
into place, took care of nature's call, and got back in to the
hammock.  Woke at 7 am, but it was still really foggy, so I rolled
over and slept in until after 8.  Low tide was 8:30 so I climbed out
of bed, grabbed the camera and headed for the tide pools.  Got some
amazing shots of star fish, in at least 4 different colors, and sea
anemones.  Pictures of fog on the sea stacks.  It was great.

Hung around enjoying the morning and hoping the fog would burn off. 
It didn't.  Headed back to the car at 1:30.  A great overnight.

Down sides to beach camping:  salt spray and wet sand.  EVERYTHING
has to be washed or wiped down.

I had problems getting underquilt proto #2 done in time, I had to rip
out some stitching etc, so Proto #1 made the trip eagain with a
couple of modifications.  I posted a picture of it on the hammock so
you can get an idea of what approach I'm taking.  I may have sold
proto #2 to a chap who doesn't want to learn to sew, so not all was
lost.  I've got some new ideas for proto #3 which should make it even
better.

All in all, I had a great weekend and was really glad I brought the
synthetic sleeping bag and not the down bag.  Too warm and too wet.

ciyd



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Ah - enjoy the fall colors in Maine and NH! Looks like things are
already starting to peak there and in the Adirondack High Peaks.

I'm heading out in that general direction myself this weekend: going
to hike as much of the Northville-Placid trail as I can cover in a
week (southbound from Lake Placid). This should be a good cold weather
Hammock test also (Hennessy plus doubled Target pads and a solid
Marmot down bag).

Let's compare notes when we all get back...


--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Speer" <info@s...> wrote:
Next week Karen and I head for the Maine
> coast and then back down to the NH mountains.  Should get in some
> cold-weather hammocking!  ...Ed

From: ciyd01

To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 7:33 PM

Subject: Re: Hammock Camping string it tight? Getting Wet??

I've purchased fabric at Seattle Fabrics, where I had the luxury of
actually wandering around the store, but for better prices, try
Outdoor Wilderness Fabrics.  They are really helpful and their prices
are a bit lower.

www.owfinc.com

Silnylon is not the easiest material to sew, so take a small scrap
and use that to set up your thread tension.  The material is so thin
that you will have to play a bit to get the right tension.  Also,
you'll have to play with presser foot pressure.  I've heard some
folks use a piece of tissue paper to help with the material feed. 
This is the same tissue wrap used inside those shirt boxes you get at
christmas.  It will simply tear away when done sewing.  Watch the
number of pins you use, every one creates a potential leak point, and
tape of any kind will not stick to silnylon so it is not a
substitute.  I just use my fingers to hold it in place.

Oh, and buy Gutermann 100% polyester thread.  You can get it when you
order your fabric or at the local fabric shop in town.  It's a very
good quality thread and not too pricey.  Don't use cotton or
cotton/poly thread as they will rot over time.

ciyd

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Risk" <ra1@i...> wrote:
> I have bought most of the silnylon from
>
> Quest Outfitters  price today $5.95 for slight seconds
> http://www.questoutfitters.com/coated.html
>
> or
>
> Seattle Fabrics  price today:  $11.50/yd
> http://www.seattlefabrics.com/nylons.html




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At 09:08 AM 9/30/2003 +0300, you wrote:

>Could you please let me know how can I chalk the pattern on Sili fabric.
>Neither markers nor soaps work
>haluk

Sharpies work for me.


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Dry erase markers work and the marks rub right off.

ciyd

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "haluk" <haluk.yildiz@k...>
wrote:
> Could you please let me know how can I chalk the pattern on Sili
fabric. Neither markers nor soaps work
> haluk

The marker idea works except on dark colors of silnyl.

I found that my kids sidewalk chalk (school chalk did NOT work, too dense)
worked
great.  Take it outside and grind it to an sharp edge on the driveway (or other
rough
surface you don't mind marking up).

Now use that "sharp" edge of sidewalk chalk to mark your lines or whatever on
the
Silnyl.

I tried everything I could find, including my wifes sewing marking pencil, and
this was
the only thing I could find to mark the black silnyl I was working with.

Hope that helps.

Shane "Mirage"...

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "ciyd01" <ciyd@a...> wrote:
> Dry erase markers work and the marks rub right off.
>
> ciyd
>
> --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "haluk" <haluk.yildiz@k...>
> wrote:
> > Could you please let me know how can I chalk the pattern on Sili
> fabric. Neither markers nor soaps work
> > haluk

-----Original Message-----
From: nazdarovye [mailto:nazdarovye@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 1:25 AM
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Hammock Camping beach hammocking

Ah - enjoy the fall colors in Maine and NH! Looks like things are
already starting to peak there and in the Adirondack High Peaks.

I'm heading out in that general direction myself this weekend: going
to hike as much of the Northville-Placid trail as I can cover in a
week (southbound from Lake Placid). This should be a good cold weather
Hammock test also (Hennessy plus doubled Target pads and a solid
Marmot down bag).

Let's compare notes when we all get back...


--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Speer" <info@s...> wrote:
Next week Karen and I head for the Maine
> coast and then back down to the NH mountains.  Should get in some
> cold-weather hammocking!  ...Ed




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-----Original Message-----
From: haluk [mailto:haluk.yildiz@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 2:08 AM
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Hammock Camping string it tight? Getting Wet??

Could you please let me know how can I chalk the pattern on Sili fabric. Neither markers nor soaps work

haluk

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "ghman777" <ghman777@y...>
wrote:
> Used on the clips that hold the tarp taught. I was thinking of
using
> that sliding knot to tie my tarp to my own hammock support ropes
> instead of to a tree. This way I could lower my tarp alot lower in
> bad weather.

It's a prussik knot, something like a double larkshead or girth
hitch. It's used pretty extensively in climbing. Check this out for
pictures.

http://www.ozultimate.com/canyoning/knots/prusik/

Jim

Hey all, first a question that doesn't exactly deal with hammocks.
How durable is silnylon? As a biker/tree-hanger I was thinking that this
material might be perfect to cover the front crash bars on my motorcycle.
But will it be durable enough to handle 70+ mph winds for extended
durations? Will it stop the wind at this speed? If I install snaps will that
tear the fabric? Or is there a better way to attach it around a bar
temporarily? (I am asking here because y'all seem to be the most
knowledgeable people I know on this subject) oh and to sort of relate it to
hammock camping, I take my hammock when traveling on my bike. That leads me
to the second part...

Sportsman's guide hammock review:
Before my 2 week trip to Sturgis, SD for a motorcycle rally, I asked a few
questions about hanging a hammock with only one anchor point. I am glad to
report this was all in vain. All but 3 nights I found great mounting points
and had no problem, the other 3 nights we spent indoors for various reasons.
My camping rig consisted of the following:
1 Sportsman's guide blue hammock
1 5 x 8 typical blue tarp with grommets
1 blue waffle type sleeping pad
1 VERY light weight sleeping bag
4 tent stakes
String

Luckily bugs were never an issue so I never wished I had any bug-net type
stuff. As for the actual use of the hammock, it worked out fair to good. (in
hammock terms, but much better than a tent) the hammock itself is priced
fairly, it is not a great hammock but it did it's job. I did have one of the
support strings in the "fan" part of the strings break. I didn't notice any
ill effects from this other than me being a bit nervous the first time
getting in after this. The tarp was a bit noisy, but nothing compared to
tons of motorcycles driving all along the campground all night, so it didn't
bother me. In the woods it would probably drive me crazy. I did make quite a
few bikers re-think their sleeping arrangements, I would wake up after a
long day of riding, and a long night of playing without a sore bone in my
body. Not many ground dwellers could claim the same. I did cheat a little
and have a small kid's tent as a backup but it proved worth it's space by
becoming my storage/changing room. So the short story is that I would like
to thank y'all for the help and giving me the confidence to take the
hammock. It worked great.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Rubino [mailto:jrubino@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 10:15 AM
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Hammock Camping Silnylon question and Hammock report

Hey all, first a question that doesn't exactly deal with hammocks.
How durable is silnylon? As a biker/tree-hanger I was thinking that this
material might be perfect to cover the front crash bars on my motorcycle.
But will it be durable enough to handle 70+ mph winds for extended
durations? Will it stop the wind at this speed? If I install snaps will that
tear the fabric? Or is there a better way to attach it around a bar
temporarily? (I am asking here because y'all seem to be the most
knowledgeable people I know on this subject) oh and to sort of relate it to
hammock camping, I take my hammock when traveling on my bike. That leads me
to the second part...

Sportsman's guide hammock review:
Before my 2 week trip to Sturgis, SD for a motorcycle rally, I asked a few
questions about hanging a hammock with only one anchor point. I am glad to
report this was all in vain. All but 3 nights I found great mounting points
and had no problem, the other 3 nights we spent indoors for various reasons.
My camping rig consisted of the following:
1 Sportsman's guide blue hammock
1 5 x 8 typical blue tarp with grommets
1 blue waffle type sleeping pad
1 VERY light weight sleeping bag
4 tent stakes
String

Luckily bugs were never an issue so I never wished I had any bug-net type
stuff. As for the actual use of the hammock, it worked out fair to good. (in
hammock terms, but much better than a tent) the hammock itself is priced
fairly, it is not a great hammock but it did it's job. I did have one of the
support strings in the "fan" part of the strings break. I didn't notice any
ill effects from this other than me being a bit nervous the first time
getting in after this. The tarp was a bit noisy, but nothing compared to
tons of motorcycles driving all along the campground all night, so it didn't
bother me. In the woods it would probably drive me crazy. I did make quite a
few bikers re-think their sleeping arrangements, I would wake up after a
long day of riding, and a long night of playing without a sore bone in my
body. Not many ground dwellers could claim the same. I did cheat a little
and have a small kid's tent as a backup but it proved worth it's space by
becoming my storage/changing room. So the short story is that I would like
to thank y'all for the help and giving me the confidence to take the
hammock. It worked great.



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I have continued messing with this and have a configuration that
might be useful to fire enthusiasts.  I will continue refining this
design, but don't expect to uncover major improvements.  As with the
Garlington Insulator, I will put together a web page with some
pictures and additional detail.  Comments are welcome.
Thanks,
Ray

============
The Garlington WoodGas Stove

After about 2 months building & testing small woodstoves of various
configurations, I stumbled on an easy to build, lightweight stove
(3.5 - 4 oz) that will boil 1 quart of water and hold the boil for
about 10 minutes. The stove is batch loaded, fun to use, and nearly
smokeless when properly fired.

On the negative side, this stove requires a starter fluid and will
blacken your pots.  Also, the current version gets hot enough at the
end of the burn to ignite newspaper under the burner, so the stove
should not be used on flammable surfaces.

The design attempts to exploit the "batch-loaded, inverted down-draft
gassifier" wood-burning technique and manages about 1/3 - 1/2 "blue
flame" at peak output.  As the gas-burning stage winds down and while
the stove is still quite hot, the flame is mostly blue.  Typically,
the stove is burning  wood gas shortly after ignition and has a
stable yellow/blue flame within about 1 minute.  After about 10
minutes the wood gas is depleted and the stove transitions to
charcoal burning. Charcoal burning continues for about 20 minutes
after this transition.


Description
The stove comprises a steel can, fire grate, stove windscreen, pot
stand and pot windscreen. The steel can forms the body of the burner
and is  3" in diameter and 4 1/2" tall. Primary air holes are punched
at the bottom edge of the can, and secondary air slits are cut about
3" up from the bottom. A fire grate (wire screen) is fitted to the
bottom of the can to allow even distribution of the primary air to
the bottom of the fuel supply. The stove windscreen is made of light
aluminum (disposable baking pan) about 3 1/2" in diameter and 4 1/2"
tall. Slots are cut in the bottom of the stove windscreen to allow
primary/secondary air to enter.  The pot stand is fashioned by
bending a coathanger into a clip that slips onto the rim of the steel
can and holds the pot about  1 1/4" above the rim.  The pot
windscreen is a piece of doubled aluminum foil that goes from the
ground to at least 1/2 way up the pot.


Operation

Find a supply of dry sticks about the diameter of a #2 pencil and
smaller. Dump out the ash from the previous firing, and position the
stove windscreen and pot stand on the stove body.  Break up the
sticks into about 1" lengths and throw them into the burner.  As the
stove fills, periodically shake/tap the stove to settle the fuel.
When you get close to the secondary air slits, use only the smallest
of the sticks you have collected. Shake/tap down the stove once again.

Spray a small amount of starter fluid (charcoal starter fluid,
kerosene, alcohol, etc.) on the top surface of the wood supply.  Do
not use too much, because you only want to ignite the top layer of
wood.  (Igniting the lower layers will result in a smokey mess.)
Light the starter fluid. After about 1 minute you should have a good
flame going.  Postion the pot on the stand and place the pot
windscreen around the pot.

Caution:  If the stove fails to ignite, do not spray additional
starter fluid.  There will be hot embers present from your previous
attempt which are capable of igniting the fluid as you spray it on.
This could result in SEVERE injury to you and others.  The safe thing
to do is unload the stove, reload it, and try again.

Copyright 2003 Ray Garlington
=============

Tests:


Test 9/29/2003
Air Temp: 55F  Starting water temp:  71F

Time  Comments
0 Light fire
1 min Water on Stove
5 min Water temp 130F
10 min Boiling
20 min Boiling
25 min 198F
30 186F Charcoal is generating little heat....

The silnylon may not be waterproof at 70mph.

The 1.9 oz might be more durable, but I'm not sure it would survive
70 mph either.

ciyd

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Speer" <info@s...> wrote:
> Jim, the usual 1.1 oz/yd2 silnylon ripstop is much too fragile to
survive
> 70MPH winds with normal attachment points, such as snaps, or sewed
pull
> tabs--the fabric will tear at the stress point, especially where it
is sewed
> or a grommett or snap is installed.

Hi, If this is attached to your Bike, why don't you
think about using "Spectra" ??  Bill

--- ciyd01 <ciyd@...> wrote:
> The silnylon may not be waterproof at 70mph.
>
> The 1.9 oz might be more durable, but I'm not sure
> it would survive
> 70 mph either.
>
> ciyd
>
> --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Speer"
> <info@s...> wrote:
> > Jim, the usual 1.1 oz/yd2 silnylon ripstop is much
> too fragile to
> survive
> > 70MPH winds with normal attachment points, such as
> snaps, or sewed
> pull
> > tabs--the fabric will tear at the stress point,
> especially where it
> is sewed
> > or a grommett or snap is installed.
>
>


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Or waterproof oxford cloth or cordura.  Now that's good stuff!

Rick

Quoting Bill Fornshell <bfornshell@...>:

> Hi, If this is attached to your Bike, why don't you
> think about using "Spectra" ??  Bill
>

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I just finished writing a page on the new sleeping bag I completed a couple
weeks ago.

The topic of sleeping bags is slightly off topic for the hammock list, but I am
planning a series of cold weather experiments this fall, and it might be useful
for y'all to know the details about this vital piece of my cold protection
package.

I promise to get a picture of the bag up on the page soon.

Link to the page is:

http://www.imrisk.com/bag/bag.htm

Happy hammocking!

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Hi cold weather warriors!

I did a little experiment last night and measured the temperature
outside and inside my hammock and bag.  Outside air temperature was
about 35 degrees.  I took measurements 3 and 5 hours after going to bed.

This is what I found:

I went to bed at 1015 PM.  All temperatures below are degrees Fahrenheit.



Observations at 0115 AM:

Temperature of tree's bark: 35  (outside air temperature)

Wind: calm

Outside top of bag top: 47

Outside of hammock bottom: 51

Inside of bag top: 85

Inside of bag bottom: 78

Abdomen skin temperature: 94

Buttocks skin temperature: 91



Observations at 0315 AM:

Temperature of tree's bark: 36

Wind: calm

Outside top of bag top: 44

Outside of hammock bottom: 46

Inside of bag top: 82

Inside of bag bottom: 77

Abdomen skin temperature: 90

Buttocks skin temperature: 85


To see the meter I used and a few more details, like what I was
wearing, check out my new cold weather test page at:

http://www.imrisk.com/hammock/ultrahammock.htm

Rick

I got to hand it to you Rick, when it comes to building stuff and
tinkering with it you are the man.  That bag was cool and the fluke
instrumnet is ok cool too.  Three boats, several variations of
hammocks, flys, stoves plus a lot more.  Where do you find the time.

Coy Boy
PS I could have completed a few projects with some of my computer
time but thats beside the point.

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Risk" <ra1@i...> wrote:
> Hi cold weather warriors!
>
> I did a little experiment last night and measured the temperature
> outside and inside my hammock and bag.  Outside air temperature was
> about 35 degrees.  I took measurements 3 and 5 hours after going
to bed.
>
> This is what I found:
>
> I went to bed at 1015 PM.  All temperatures below are degrees
Fahrenheit.
>
>
>
> Observations at 0115 AM:
>
> Temperature of tree's bark: 35  (outside air temperature)
>
> Wind: calm
>
> Outside top of bag top: 47
>
> Outside of hammock bottom: 51
>
> Inside of bag top: 85
>
> Inside of bag bottom: 78
>
> Abdomen skin temperature: 94
>
> Buttocks skin temperature: 91
>
>
>
> Observations at 0315 AM:
>
> Temperature of tree's bark: 36
>
> Wind: calm
>
> Outside top of bag top: 44
>
> Outside of hammock bottom: 46
>
> Inside of bag top: 82
>
> Inside of bag bottom: 77
>
> Abdomen skin temperature: 90
>
> Buttocks skin temperature: 85
>
>
> To see the meter I used and a few more details, like what I was
> wearing, check out my new cold weather test page at:
>
> http://www.imrisk.com/hammock/ultrahammock.htm
>
> Rick

At least he didn't include a photo of the "buttocks skin temperature"
pose.<g>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Risk" <ra1@...>
> Buttocks skin temperature: 91
>
> Buttocks skin temperature: 85