Cool ... or actually , not cool, as ... it warm.
Thanks ... putting in on the "Materials for future designs" list.


On 10/10/2010 12:09 PM, Mark Miracle wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Speaking of high-tech, check this out:  www.klymit.com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 9, 2010, at 5:03 AM, Rogene Calkins wrote:
>
>> I think it was a Russian team that won the prize in physics this
>> past week.
>> Anyone hear about this?
>> Any way they developed is one atom thick carbon graphite? that is 10?x
>> stronger than steel
>> that is expected to revolutionize the computer world in lap top
>> screens and
>> boards etc.
>>
>> Now how can our brightest light weight hiker minds wrap ourselves
>> around
>> this and all it's possibilities for lightweight gear.
>>
>> Rogene
>>> Rogene
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

--


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Mark–

The Klymit stuff looks cool, although I'm not sure I want to lug gas
canisters around. Do you have any experience with it yourself? I was
wondering how durable a jacket filled with bubbles of air could be. $200+ is
a lot to replace a punctured vest.

-Spencer

On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Mark Miracle <mr.mmiracle@...>wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Speaking of high-tech, check this out:  www.klymit.com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 9, 2010, at 5:03 AM, Rogene Calkins wrote:
>
> >
> > I think it was a Russian team that won the prize in physics this
> > past week.
> > Anyone hear about this?
> > Any way they developed is one atom thick carbon graphite? that is 10?x
> > stronger than steel
> > that is expected to revolutionize the computer world in lap top
> > screens and
> > boards etc.
> >
> > Now how can our brightest light weight hiker minds wrap ourselves
> > around
> > this and all it's possibilities for lightweight gear.
> >
> > Rogene
> > > Rogene
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I have no experience with this company or it's products, I just
happened to see this and it peaked my curiosity.  Too rich for my blood.


On Oct 15, 2010, at 5:29 PM, Spencer Bliven wrote:

> Mark–
>
> The Klymit stuff looks cool, although I'm not sure I want to lug gas
> canisters around. Do you have any experience with it yourself? I was
> wondering how durable a jacket filled with bubbles of air could be.
> $200+ is
> a lot to replace a punctured vest.
>
> -Spencer
>
> On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Mark Miracle
> <mr.mmiracle@...>wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Speaking of high-tech, check this out: www.klymit.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Oct 9, 2010, at 5:03 AM, Rogene Calkins wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I think it was a Russian team that won the prize in physics this
> > > past week.
> > > Anyone hear about this?
> > > Any way they developed is one atom thick carbon graphite? that
> is 10?x
> > > stronger than steel
> > > that is expected to revolutionize the computer world in lap top
> > > screens and
> > > boards etc.
> > >
> > > Now how can our brightest light weight hiker minds wrap ourselves
> > > around
> > > this and all it's possibilities for lightweight gear.
> > >
> > > Rogene
> > > > Rogene
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

This was so interesting! Apparently the single layer of graphene has unique
properties in electrical conductivity. Don't know if that would be a good idea
for camping but it still rocks.

http://www.sciencefriday.com/program/archives/201010082

Ragan

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, Mark Miracle <mr.mmiracle@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Speaking of high-tech, check this out:  www.klymit.com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 9, 2010, at 5:03 AM, Rogene Calkins wrote:
>
> >
> > I think it was a Russian team that won the prize in physics this
> > past week.
> > Anyone hear about this?
> > Any way they developed is one atom thick carbon graphite? that is 10?x
> > stronger than steel
> > that is expected to revolutionize the computer world in lap top
> > screens and
> > boards etc.
> >
> > Now how can our brightest light weight hiker minds wrap ourselves
> > around
> > this and all it's possibilities for lightweight gear.
> >
> > Rogene
> > > Rogene
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Hi All:
        Here's some useful information on how to make a simple soap while in the
great outdoors:

http://campingknowledge.yolasite.com/how-to-make-simple-soap-in-the-wild.php

This is pretty interesting. Wonder if it could be made with olive oil? It
probably wouldn't harden as well (if at all.) I don't carry lard or animal fat
with me in the wild :-)

MacGyver




________________________________
From: camping123 <camping123@...>
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, November 13, 2010 1:56:11 AM
Subject: [Hammock Camping] How To Make Simple Soap

 
Hi All:
Here's some useful information on how to make a simple soap while in the great
outdoors:

http://campingknowledge.yolasite.com/how-to-make-simple-soap-in-the-wild.php







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I believe the water and ash thing is to extract Lye (sodium hydroxide).
Yes you can use olive oil but the process is much longer (time) with olive oil.
  Sapere Aude,

Arye P. Rubenstein


Imagination is more important than knowledge...
It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education... Albert Einstein




________________________________
From: EHamilton <imagainst_the_wind@...>
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 5:47:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] How To Make Simple Soap


This is pretty interesting. Wonder if it could be made with olive oil? It
probably wouldn't harden as well (if at all.) I don't carry lard or animal fat
with me in the wild :-)

MacGyver

________________________________
From: camping123 <camping123@...>
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, November 13, 2010 1:56:11 AM
Subject: [Hammock Camping] How To Make Simple Soap


Hi All:
Here's some useful information on how to make a simple soap while in the great
outdoors:

http://campingknowledge.yolasite.com/how-to-make-simple-soap-in-the-wild.php

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Yes, water and hardwood ash is to produce lye.

You can indeed use olive oil, but the better soaps use a mix of oils. The soaps
I make typically use a combination of olive oil, vegetable shortening, palm oil,
and coconut oil.

Tod


Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with Nextel Direct Connect

-----Original Message-----
From: "Arye P. R." <aprarye@...>
Sender: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 16:48:18
To: <hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] How To Make Simple Soap

I believe the water and ash thing is to extract Lye (sodium hydroxide).
Yes you can use olive oil but the process is much longer (time) with olive oil.
  Sapere Aude,

Arye P. Rubenstein


Imagination is more important than knowledge...
It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education... Albert Einstein




________________________________
From: EHamilton <imagainst_the_wind@...>
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 5:47:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] How To Make Simple Soap


This is pretty interesting. Wonder if it could be made with olive oil? It
probably wouldn't harden as well (if at all.) I don't carry lard or animal fat
with me in the wild :-)

MacGyver

________________________________
From: camping123 <camping123@...>
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, November 13, 2010 1:56:11 AM
Subject: [Hammock Camping] How To Make Simple Soap


Hi All:
Here's some useful information on how to make a simple soap while in the great
outdoors:

http://campingknowledge.yolasite.com/how-to-make-simple-soap-in-the-wild.php

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Erm.., I don't think the point is to carry oil or fat into the woods to make
soap, better to just carry soap. I think the point would be to make soap out
of the by-products of your subsistence in the wild, say by using animal fat
from animals that you have eaten? Skim the pot when you boil some meat for
example.


On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 6:47 PM, EHamilton <imagainst_the_wind@...>wrote:

>
>
> This is pretty interesting. Wonder if it could be made with olive oil? It
> probably wouldn't harden as well (if at all.) I don't carry lard or animal
> fat
> with me in the wild :-)
>
> MacGyver
>
> ________________________________
> From: camping123 <camping123@... <camping123%40yahoo.com>>
> To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com <hammockcamping%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sat, November 13, 2010 1:56:11 AM
> Subject: [Hammock Camping] How To Make Simple Soap
>
>
> Hi All:
> Here's some useful information on how to make a simple soap while in the
> great
> outdoors:
>
>
> http://campingknowledge.yolasite.com/how-to-make-simple-soap-in-the-wild.php
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



--
http://parkswhistles.com/
http://www.facebook.com/carey.parks
http://twitter.com/LuthierCarey


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agreed

  SapereAude,

Arye P. Rubenstein


Imagination is more important than knowledge...
It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education... Albert Einstein




________________________________
From: Carey Parks <Carey@...>
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 7:44:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] How To Make Simple Soap

Erm.., I don't think the point is to carry oil or fat into the woods to make
soap, better to just carry soap. I think the point would be to make soap out
of the by-products of your subsistence in the wild, say by using animal fat
from animals that you have eaten? Skim the pot when you boil some meat for
example.


On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 6:47 PM, EHamilton <imagainst_the_wind@...>wrote:

>
>
> This is pretty interesting. Wonder if it could be made with olive oil? It
> probably wouldn't harden as well (if at all.) I don't carry lard or animal
> fat
> with me in the wild :-)
>
> MacGyver
>
> ________________________________
> From: camping123 <camping123@... <camping123%40yahoo.com>>
> To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com <hammockcamping%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sat, November 13, 2010 1:56:11 AM
> Subject: [Hammock Camping] How To Make Simple Soap
>
>
> Hi All:
> Here's some useful information on how to make a simple soap while in the
> great
> outdoors:
>
>
> http://campingknowledge.yolasite.com/how-to-make-simple-soap-in-the-wild.php
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



--
http://parkswhistles.com/
http://www.facebook.com/carey.parks
http://twitter.com/LuthierCarey


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Yahoo! Groups Links



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hello everyone,
i'm new to both this forum and hammocking & at last i'm posting this from
mid-air in the backyard where i am spending my first night (13C/55F, no wind).
it's a new sensation & i'll need some time to get used to it, but i like it so
far.
the only problem was that the tarp immediately developed a failure - a hook sewn
from the same ripstop material got torn as i was tightening, but it was not a
show-stopper :-)
cheers!

Hi there, keep us posted on how you're liking it.

I get a very comfortable sleep in my hammock but I have not become a total
convert to hammock camping. There are advantages, for sure, but I'm not positive
they've outweighed those of a lightweight tent. I do like the versatility of the
rainfly but I think I might be farther ahead just to carry that or a tarp and go
to tarping. Except then there's bugs, both flying and crawling. Being up off the
ground has definite pluses.


MacGyver




________________________________
From: kobold2 <kobold2@...>
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, January 3, 2011 9:15:45 AM
Subject: [Hammock Camping] first post

 
hello everyone,
i'm new to both this forum and hammocking & at last i'm posting this from
mid-air in the backyard where i am spending my first night (13C/55F, no wind).
it's a new sensation & i'll need some time to get used to it, but i like it so
far.
the only problem was that the tarp immediately developed a failure - a hook sewn
from the same ripstop material got torn as i was tightening, but it was not a
show-stopper :-)
cheers!







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi guys, new member here who needs help.  I signed up a few weeks ago for a
Hammockforums account.  My account is partially inactive in that I can't post or
reply to posts, like my account didn't get processed.  I never got a
confirmation email from any moderators either.

I'm wondering if anyone here can help get the word to someone over at
hammockforums.net that I need my account activated.

My user name over there is SpyderTattoo.

Now that business is taken care of, I'm brand new to hammock camping.  I live in
Washington State on the rainy side of the Cascade Mountains.  Just got my first
hammock (grand trunk) for Christmas.  I'm already planning on making a couple
whoopie slings for myself as soon as I order the amsteel for it.  I'm having a
guy I know who has a business making rifle slings, make me a couple of
tree-huggers too.

I've built myself a woodgas stove out of a 1qt paint can and progresso soup can
just like that guy on the youtube videos.  And I've made myself a couple backup
alcohol stoves from coke cans.  This is definately my new favorite hobby and I
am so excited to get out there once the weather warms up.

I've been taking my two boys on short backpacking trips during the past two
summers to a place I used to go when I was in Jr High/High school.  I just can't
do it on the ground any more, I can't get any sleep, shoulders and back end up
very uncomfortable which makes the next day suck.  You all know where I'm coming
from here...

I'm not into cold weather camping yet, summer only. Besides, the forrest service
road to get up the mountain where we go is all snowed in so even my 4WD can't
make it in there.

If anyone in my part of the country would like to know about a super place to
camp, PM me and I can send you info on where I like to go.

Thanks for reading and for any help given to get my hammockforum account up and
running.

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, EHamilton <imagainst_the_wind@...> wrote:
>
> Hi there, keep us posted on how you're liking it.

second night in the backyard in progress. i am getting hooked to the sense of
freedom; it's a great thing to be able to spend a night just about anywhere in
such a comfort... i think it's not sagging enough, but i'm too lazy to go out
and relax it. this night is 5C/9F warmer than last night (10C/50F) was. the
supershelter and the space blanket is still in place and i am hot! got 4 tent
pegs for the kit. this w/e i'll hang in real outdoors :-)

Hi Spidertattoo
Welcome to this list.
Sounds like you have a great place to hike and camp with your kids and have
a plan for hanging.
Good luck. I live near the Smokie Mt. and don't see a way to visit
Washington state any time in this life time
financially even so I'd love to hike in the Cascades or do the PCT. I have
yet to hike the AT.
Sorry I'm not on the hammock forum so can't help you out there.
Rogene


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffreydlamb" <jeffreydlamb@...>
To: <hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 7:49 PM
Subject: [Hammock Camping] New member and a problem


Hi guys, new member here who needs help.  I signed up a few weeks ago for a
Hammockforums account.  My account is partially inactive in that I can't
post or reply to posts, like my account didn't get processed.  I never got a
confirmation email from any moderators either.

I'm wondering if anyone here can help get the word to someone over at
hammockforums.net that I need my account activated.

My user name over there is SpyderTattoo.

Now that business is taken care of, I'm brand new to hammock camping.  I
live in Washington State on the rainy side of the Cascade Mountains.  Just
got my first hammock (grand trunk) for Christmas.  I'm already planning on
making a couple whoopie slings for myself as soon as I order the amsteel for
it.  I'm having a guy I know who has a business making rifle slings, make me
a couple of tree-huggers too.

I've built myself a woodgas stove out of a 1qt paint can and progresso soup
can just like that guy on the youtube videos.  And I've made myself a couple
backup alcohol stoves from coke cans.  This is definately my new favorite
hobby and I am so excited to get out there once the weather warms up.

I've been taking my two boys on short backpacking trips during the past two
summers to a place I used to go when I was in Jr High/High school.  I just
can't do it on the ground any more, I can't get any sleep, shoulders and
back end up very uncomfortable which makes the next day suck.  You all know
where I'm coming from here...

I'm not into cold weather camping yet, summer only. Besides, the forrest
service road to get up the mountain where we go is all snowed in so even my
4WD can't make it in there.

If anyone in my part of the country would like to know about a super place
to camp, PM me and I can send you info on where I like to go.

Thanks for reading and for any help given to get my hammockforum account up
and running.

Hi,

Check out www.tothewoods.net Just Jeffs page.  The section on ridgelines and sag
is just what you need.

After you figure out the sag, just attach the line and setup is a breeze. 

B




________________________________
From: kobold2 <kobold2@...>
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, January 4, 2011 6:21:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] first post



--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, EHamilton <imagainst_the_wind@...> wrote:
>
> Hi there, keep us posted on how you're liking it.

second night in the backyard in progress. i am getting hooked to the sense of
freedom; it's a great thing to be able to spend a night just about anywhere in
such a comfort... i think it's not sagging enough, but i'm too lazy to go out
and relax it. this night is 5C/9F warmer than last night (10C/50F) was. the
supershelter and the space blanket is still in place and i am hot! got 4 tent
pegs for the kit. this w/e i'll hang in real outdoors :-)



------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi, Jeff!

I'm not sure why you weren't able to post on hammockforums.net but I just
checked the member list and you're listed there as a "Junior Member" so I think
you are already up and running.  I'll send you a PM to check it out.

Good advice here so far, and I second the recommendation of JustJeff's site.

Also check out Risk's pages:  http://www.imrisk.com/
and Ray Garlington's pages: http://garlington.biz/Ray/

  - Chuck (aka Frawg)


--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Jeffreydlamb" <jeffreydlamb@...> wrote:
>
> Hi guys, new member here who needs help.  I signed up a few weeks
ago for a Hammockforums account.  My account is partially inactive in that I
can't post or reply to posts, like my account didn't get processed.  I never got
a confirmation email from any moderators either.
<snipped>

I put in a request for you ....
http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/showthread.php?p=382532#post382532

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Jeffreydlamb" <jeffreydlamb@...> wrote:
>
> Hi guys, new member here who needs help.  I signed up a few weeks ago for a
Hammockforums account.  My account is partially inactive in that I can't post or
reply to posts, like my account didn't get processed.  I never got a
confirmation email from any moderators either.
>
> I'm wondering if anyone here can help get the word to someone over at
hammockforums.net that I need my account activated.
>
> My user name over there is SpyderTattoo.
>
> Now that business is taken care of, I'm brand new to hammock camping.  I live
in Washington State on the rainy side of the Cascade Mountains.  Just got my
first hammock (grand trunk) for Christmas.  I'm already planning on making a
couple whoopie slings for myself as soon as I order the amsteel for it.  I'm
having a guy I know who has a business making rifle slings, make me a couple of
tree-huggers too.
>
> I've built myself a woodgas stove out of a 1qt paint can and progresso soup
can just like that guy on the youtube videos.  And I've made myself a couple
backup alcohol stoves from coke cans.  This is definately my new favorite hobby
and I am so excited to get out there once the weather warms up.
>
> I've been taking my two boys on short backpacking trips during the past two
summers to a place I used to go when I was in Jr High/High school.  I just can't
do it on the ground any more, I can't get any sleep, shoulders and back end up
very uncomfortable which makes the next day suck.  You all know where I'm coming
from here...
>
> I'm not into cold weather camping yet, summer only. Besides, the forrest
service road to get up the mountain where we go is all snowed in so even my 4WD
can't make it in there.
>
> If anyone in my part of the country would like to know about a super place to
camp, PM me and I can send you info on where I like to go.
>
> Thanks for reading and for any help given to get my hammockforum account up
and running.
>

Hi, I am a member also of HammockForums.com. It will take a few days to get full
privilages to the entire page. Just browse around, check out the different forum
sections, Go to the search and you will find most anything you want to know.
 
Sunny's_Trike




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--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, Michael Lindroos <lindrom@...>
wrote:
>
> What do you think the weight would be?  How about pack size?
>
> The lightweight version, seen here, has a 90 denier ripstop upper.  It
was just under 5 Lbs including the dowels and all support straps and
Para cord.  If I made any more, I would use 200 Denier Cordura.  It
would be much more durable, but probably bring the weight to about 6
Lbs, which may be too heavy for current Mil Specs. There may be a new-er
high tech fabric now that could do the job with less weight.
>
>  [Shelter, Susbended, Individual Kuemmet]
>
> ________________________________
> From: Marcel Kuemmet kuemmet@...
> To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, October 4, 2010 3:49:18 PM
> Subject: [Hammock Camping] Shelter, Individual, Suspended
>
>
> I worked on this design years ago.  I just checking around to see if
> there would be any or much interest in a product like this.  I own the
> design. I got the idea just after my service with the US Army's1st
> Ranger Bn.
> This is designed for one soldier



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I copied and sent your message to a moderator at hammockforums.net
Hope this helps!


  Deb
















To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
From: jeffreydlamb@...
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 00:49:21 +0000
Subject: [Hammock Camping] New member and a problem






Hi guys, new member here who needs help. I signed up a few weeks ago for a
Hammockforums account. My account is partially inactive in that I can't post or
reply to posts, like my account didn't get processed. I never got a confirmation
email from any moderators either.

I'm wondering if anyone here can help get the word to someone over at
hammockforums.net that I need my account activated.

My user name over there is SpyderTattoo.

Now that business is taken care of, I'm brand new to hammock camping. I live in
Washington State on the rainy side of the Cascade Mountains. Just got my first
hammock (grand trunk) for Christmas. I'm already planning on making a couple
whoopie slings for myself as soon as I order the amsteel for it. I'm having a
guy I know who has a business making rifle slings, make me a couple of
tree-huggers too.

I've built myself a woodgas stove out of a 1qt paint can and progresso soup can
just like that guy on the youtube videos. And I've made myself a couple backup
alcohol stoves from coke cans. This is definately my new favorite hobby and I am
so excited to get out there once the weather warms up.

I've been taking my two boys on short backpacking trips during the past two
summers to a place I used to go when I was in Jr High/High school. I just can't
do it on the ground any more, I can't get any sleep, shoulders and back end up
very uncomfortable which makes the next day suck. You all know where I'm coming
from here...

I'm not into cold weather camping yet, summer only. Besides, the forrest service
road to get up the mountain where we go is all snowed in so even my 4WD can't
make it in there.

If anyone in my part of the country would like to know about a super place to
camp, PM me and I can send you info on where I like to go.

Thanks for reading and for any help given to get my hammockforum account up and
running.





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Looks like AngrySparrow fixed it a few minutes after you posted...

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, debbie briscoe <ldcakes@...> wrote:
>
>
> I copied and sent your message to a moderator at hammockforums.net
> Hope this helps!
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>  Deb
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> To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
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> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 00:49:21 +0000
> Subject: [Hammock Camping] New member and a problem
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>
> Hi guys, new member here who needs help. I signed up a few weeks ago for a
Hammockforums account. My account is partially inactive in that I can't post or
reply to posts, like my account didn't get processed. I never got a confirmation
email from any moderators either.
>
> I'm wondering if anyone here can help get the word to someone over at
hammockforums.net that I need my account activated.
>
> My user name over there is SpyderTattoo.
>
> Now that business is taken care of, I'm brand new to hammock camping. I live
in Washington State on the rainy side of the Cascade Mountains. Just got my
first hammock (grand trunk) for Christmas. I'm already planning on making a
couple whoopie slings for myself as soon as I order the amsteel for it. I'm
having a guy I know who has a business making rifle slings, make me a couple of
tree-huggers too.
>
> I've built myself a woodgas stove out of a 1qt paint can and progresso soup
can just like that guy on the youtube videos. And I've made myself a couple
backup alcohol stoves from coke cans. This is definately my new favorite hobby
and I am so excited to get out there once the weather warms up.
>
> I've been taking my two boys on short backpacking trips during the past two
summers to a place I used to go when I was in Jr High/High school. I just can't
do it on the ground any more, I can't get any sleep, shoulders and back end up
very uncomfortable which makes the next day suck. You all know where I'm coming
from here...
>
> I'm not into cold weather camping yet, summer only. Besides, the forrest
service road to get up the mountain where we go is all snowed in so even my 4WD
can't make it in there.
>
> If anyone in my part of the country would like to know about a super place to
camp, PM me and I can send you info on where I like to go.
>
> Thanks for reading and for any help given to get my hammockforum account up
and running.
>
>
>
>
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Just an FYI, it is hammockforums.net

Personal growth, team building and leadership development through
outdoor adventure.

http://www.riverjourneys.org

On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 10:32 PM , Sunny Wells wrote:

     Hi, I am a member also of HammockForums.com. It will take a few days
to get full privilages to the entire page. Just browse around, check out
the different forum sections, Go to the search and you will find most
anything you want to know.
 
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Ok, in the corner for 30 min with the "Dunce Cap"
 
take care
 
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From: David Ball <riverjourneys@...>
Subject: RE: **Possible_Spam** Re: [Hammock Camping] New member and a problem
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
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Just an FYI, it is hammockforums.net

Personal growth, team building and leadership development through
outdoor adventure.

http://www.riverjourneys.org

On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 10:32 PM , Sunny Wells wrote:

Hi, I am a member also of HammockForums.com. It will take a few days
to get full privilages to the entire page. Just browse around, check out
the different forum sections, Go to the search and you will find most
anything you want to know.
 
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--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "sawyer7271" <sawyer7271@...> wrote:
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> Looks like AngrySparrow fixed it a few minutes after you posted...
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> --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, debbie briscoe <ldcakes@> wrote:
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> > I copied and sent your message to a moderator at hammockforums.net
> > Hope this helps!
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> > Thank you so much.  It worked.  They activated me.  Glad I found this yahoo
group so you guys could pass the message for me.  It has been frustrating to not
be able to participate over there.  Although I've read and learned so much over
there.

Thank you again Deb,

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> > Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 00:49:21 +0000
> > Subject: [Hammock Camping] New member and a problem
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi guys, new member here who needs help. I signed up a few weeks ago for a
Hammockforums account. My account is partially inactive in that I can't post or
reply to posts, like my account didn't get processed. I never got a confirmation
email from any moderators either.
> >
> > I'm wondering if anyone here can help get the word to someone over at
hammockforums.net that I need my account activated.
> >
> > My user name over there is SpyderTattoo.
> >
> > Now that business is taken care of, I'm brand new to hammock camping. I live
in Washington State on the rainy side of the Cascade Mountains. Just got my
first hammock (grand trunk) for Christmas. I'm already planning on making a
couple whoopie slings for myself as soon as I order the amsteel for it. I'm
having a guy I know who has a business making rifle slings, make me a couple of
tree-huggers too.
> >
> > I've built myself a woodgas stove out of a 1qt paint can and progresso soup
can just like that guy on the youtube videos. And I've made myself a couple
backup alcohol stoves from coke cans. This is definately my new favorite hobby
and I am so excited to get out there once the weather warms up.
> >
> > I've been taking my two boys on short backpacking trips during the past two
summers to a place I used to go when I was in Jr High/High school. I just can't
do it on the ground any more, I can't get any sleep, shoulders and back end up
very uncomfortable which makes the next day suck. You all know where I'm coming
from here...
> >
> > I'm not into cold weather camping yet, summer only. Besides, the forrest
service road to get up the mountain where we go is all snowed in so even my 4WD
can't make it in there.
> >
> > If anyone in my part of the country would like to know about a super place
to camp, PM me and I can send you info on where I like to go.
> >
> > Thanks for reading and for any help given to get my hammockforum account up
and running.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>

Question came from Backpacking light, cross posted on hammockcamping)


On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Ralph Oborn <Ralph.oborn@...> wrote:

>
>
> I would suggest you take the cot idea a little further.
> Try a camping hammock,
> Me,
> my scouts,
> Their dads all agree they get the best nights sleep EVER in a hammock.
>
> Now I'm not recommending a silly string hammock with those spreader
> bars, but a real camping hammock
> (see Hennessey Hammock for instance)
>
> Or I can show you how to make your own for under $10.
>
> Anyway I find it great for my old back.
>
> Ralph
>
> PS my latest scout dad convert is a chiropractor!
>



On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 7:18 PM, shari <sharihikes@...> wrote:

>
>
> Ralph,
>
> I'd be interested in the DIY hammock you mentioned.  However, I'm a side
> sleeper.  Does a hammock, even a Hennessey, really work for side sleepers?
>


OK here goes, the hammock's I make aren't like a hennessy (cadilac), mine
are more like old VW bugs, (comfy, easy to fix, cute).
Most of my ideas were developed by the group over on the hammock camping
Yahoo group  hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com.
It's a place where we "all hang together".

The folks at  hammockforums.net  also have a lot of expertise and some
innovative ideas.

My major inspiration is the famous Risk hammock (google it and be amazed).
Ed Speers and Dave and Shane and Youngblood also inspired me.  Enough
already.


I have made dozens of these hammocks with my scouts and their dads here in
Pocatello (God's Country).
Usually the dads are skeptical until we get them in one and they see their
kids sleeping in one. Then they want one also.



Material:
Four yards of nylony non stretch material. Ripstop is nicer but not
necessary. I get mine for $1.50 a yard at Walmart. (we still have a fabric
section).
Four yards seems like a lot but it's not, I'm a big guy, my favorite hammock
uses five yards.

Two 15 foot lengths of strapping or rope. You can use old motorcycle
tiedowns (without the hardware), or 1/2 inch yellow poly rope, or mule tape
(used by electricians).

Mule tape is awesome stuff, holds 2,000 lbs. Find someone who works for the
power company, or the phone company or a cable company. They throw it away
all the time after a couple of uses.


Making:
NO Sewing!!!!!   :]

Grasp the material alongside the end about two inches down from the end in
each hand.
Start gathering with both hands heading towards the top center of the end.
When done you should end up with something that looks like Batman's cowl,
with little "ears" on either side   like this  --> 'w'  .

The "ears make it so the hammock "cups" and is very stable (my scouts have a
hard time getting out)

Next fold the material over about 6 inches from the end to make a loop (or
bight).

Use your strap to tie a double sheet-bend (like a regular sheet-bend but you
do everything twice.
Repeat on other end.

Examine your workmanship. Stretch it out with a friend and see how it
"cups". if it is not symmetrical re-tie an end etc.  (or leave it, it
probably won't matter)

Hanging:
Responsible hangers NEVER put a rope around a tree, if you didn't use
straps, get some and make a long loop and tie to that.
Hangers also use a special hammock hangers knot to distribute the load
around a tree and not "bruise the bark".

Shown here, but you don't need all the stuff on the end.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InwfA4_O12w



Always check ALL your knots with your full weight before mounting your
hammock. Especially if your skeptical spouse is watching.  (yes there is a
story there)

Don't hang to tight, proper "sag" is about 30° for most folks.  Experiment,
yours may vary.


Sleeping:
Imagine a line from tree to tree. If you try to sleep on that line you will
end up on your back with your knees locked (known as the "banana" position.
After a few minutes. this becomes very uncomfortable.
if you want to really get comfortable, sleep offset by about 15° from the
centerline you will find a sweet spot where you can sleep almost flat (I
need a small pillow).
Once you find that spot, you can roll on your side, and almost stomach
sleep.

Sleeping hint 2:   cross your ankles if you insist on sleeping on your back.


Finding places to hang:

I live in Idaho surrounded by Natl Forest, there are always places to hang.
As I explained to a skeptical scout dad: "I get to choose where we camp, and
where I choose there will be trees.
But there might not be a flat spot for your tent.
As long as you are below the timberline, it is a lot easier to find trees
than flat spots.  :]

Warmth:
Hammock hangers sleep cool, you will have cold air under you. I put a
thermarest under me.
Other more inventive folks use underquilts and top quilts.


Rain:
Run a separate line from tree to tree. hang a 8X10 blue tarp diagonally (so
it covers the 13 foot of hammock).
stake out the corners of course.
If the weather is clear, I don't use one, and enjoy the stars.
If it looks nasty I tie it low and tight.

When it rains my scouts in tents invariably get wet from touching the side
of their tents.
My hanging scouts and their dads have ALWAYS stayed dry!!!



You can watch stars all night
You don't have to worry about that one last pine cone under your tent
You will be sleeping so well you might miss breakfast.


This is just a basic beginner DIY hammock.
The hammock forums have lots of other suggestions about quilts, under
quilts, bug screens, ridge lines, handing angles,
  dutch clips, whoopie slings (very very neat), Amsteel rope truck mounts,
car mounts, racks, material and lots more.

But if I ever have a choice I will never ever sleep on that hard bumpy
ground again.
Hammock hangers usually feel sorry for ground dwellers.


Ralph  (Hennesy Asym owner  and maker of dozens of QEC (quick, easy, cheap)
hammocks)

PS if you hit me offline I can send you a link to some diagrams  (along with
my book of scout games)




On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 7:18 PM, shari <sharihikes@...> wrote:

>
>
> Ralph,
>
> I'd be interested in the DIY hammock you mentioned.  However, I'm a side
> sleeper.  Does a hammock, even a Hennessey, really work for side sleepers?
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: Mule tape:

I have about 3000' of 1850 lb 5/8" wide mule tape.  It works great, and is
inexpensive.  You can even sew loops in this stuff with a standard sewing
machine.  For a troop or individual, it's a good way to get started.

My daughter is selling 100' lengths for $5 +$5 shipping.  (it takes a lot of
work to detangle the mess we get) Scout troops: we can fill a medium flat-rate
box with 600' (enough for 20 hammocks)  Special pricing for scout troops...  all
profits go to pay for a cultural outreach trip to Australia in July for my
daughter.

Heck, I use mule tape instead of rope now, it holds knots well (and releases
them), doesn't stretch, and is strong enough to tow a car in a pinch.

John

Ralph Oborn <Ralph.oborn@...> wrote:

>As long as you are below the timberline, it is a lot easier to find trees
than flat spots. :]
>Hammock hangers sleep cool, you will have cold air under you. I put a
thermarest under me.

I guess I'm the only one who's had trouble finding places to hang. I took my
Hennessy on a 4-night trip (Maryland section of AT) and it was hard to find
trees the right size and right distance apart with no trees or saplings too
close to the sides and no briars or bushes underneath where the hammock would
hang. You've got to have exactly the right space even though it doesn't have to
be flat ground.

I, too, sleep with a Thermarest in the hammock. I bought it with a full
undercover/underpad system but I find it really cumbersome, hard to set up, and
not that effective. Surprisingly, even though I "sleep cold," I was warm
enough down to about 50* F, and only slightly chilly in mid-40's, with the TR
under me and my 20* down bag fluffed all around me as a quilt (wearing extra
clothes.) However, when we knew it was going down to about freezing, I didn't
try, slept in the shelter. What a difference between the hard floor and the
hammock, ouch. The hammock is extremely comfortable, better than my bed.

However............ I do find it a pain to find the right hanging trees. Also,
the hammock + the rainfly add up to more than some of the lightweight tents I'm
interested in, and the Thermarest is heavier than the Big Agnes Thermacore I'd
take if I were using a tent. And there are so many long strings (although I've
learned to wind them up over my fingers and secure w/ rubber band for carrying.)
I am still very much on the fence about tent vs. hammock (even vs. tarp only.)
There's not much room in there at all.... if stranded somewhere for a few
days by injury, illness, or weather it would be very confining, I think.


MacGyver



Finding places to hang:

I live in Idaho surrounded by Natl Forest, there are always places to hang.
As I explained to a skeptical scout dad: "I get to choose where we camp, and
where I choose there will be trees.
But there might not be a flat spot for your tent.
As long as you are below the timberline, it is a lot easier to find trees
than flat spots. :]

Warmth:
Hammock hangers sleep cool, you will have cold air under you. I put a
thermarest under me.
Other more inventive folks use underquilts and top quilts.




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Hmmm would some long straps or amsteel rope help you to find more
available trees?

Just thinkin...


Ralph

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 8:15 PM, EHamilton <imagainst_the_wind@...> wrote:
> Ralph Oborn <Ralph.oborn@...> wrote:
>
>>As long as you are below the timberline, it is a lot easier to find trees
> than flat spots. :]
>>Hammock hangers sleep cool, you will have cold air under you. I put a
> thermarest under me.
>
> I guess I'm the only one who's had trouble finding places to hang. I took my
> Hennessy on a 4-night trip (Maryland section of AT) and it was hard to find
> trees the right size and right distance apart with no trees or saplings too
> close to the sides and no briars or bushes underneath where the hammock would
> hang. You've got to have exactly the right space even though it doesn't have
to
> be flat ground.
>
> I, too, sleep with a Thermarest in the hammock. I bought it with a full
> undercover/underpad system but I find it really cumbersome, hard to set up,
and
> not that effective. Surprisingly, even though I "sleep cold," I was warm
> enough down to about 50* F, and only slightly chilly in mid-40's, with the TR
> under me and my 20* down bag fluffed all around me as a quilt (wearing extra
> clothes.) However, when we knew it was going down to about freezing, I didn't
> try, slept in the shelter. What a difference between the hard floor and the
> hammock, ouch. The hammock is extremely comfortable, better than my bed.
>
> However............ I do find it a pain to find the right hanging trees. Also,
> the hammock + the rainfly add up to more than some of the lightweight tents
I'm
> interested in, and the Thermarest is heavier than the Big Agnes Thermacore I'd
> take if I were using a tent. And there are so many long strings (although I've
> learned to wind them up over my fingers and secure w/ rubber band for
carrying.)
> I am still very much on the fence about tent vs. hammock (even vs. tarp only.)
> There's not much room in there at all.... if stranded somewhere for a few
> days by injury, illness, or weather it would be very confining, I think.
>
>
> MacGyver
>
>
>
> Finding places to hang:
>
> I live in Idaho surrounded by Natl Forest, there are always places to hang.
> As I explained to a skeptical scout dad: "I get to choose where we camp, and
> where I choose there will be trees.
> But there might not be a flat spot for your tent.
> As long as you are below the timberline, it is a lot easier to find trees
> than flat spots. :]
>
> Warmth:
> Hammock hangers sleep cool, you will have cold air under you. I put a
> thermarest under me.
> Other more inventive folks use underquilts and top quilts.
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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Maybe long straps. That's a good thought. As for amsteel..... not being
experienced with hammocks and ropes and hangs I'm not sure what it is. Changing
my ropes and lines scares me when I don't know what I'm doing. I'm really a
newbie at this.


MacGyver
 

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From: Ralph Oborn <Ralph.oborn@...>
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, January 6, 2011 11:29:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Re: LuxuryLite UltraLite Cot ?

Hmmm would some long straps or amsteel rope help you to find more
available trees?

Just thinkin...

Ralph

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 8:15 PM, EHamilton <imagainst_the_wind@...> wrote:
> Ralph Oborn <Ralph.oborn@...> wrote:
>
>>As long as you are below the timberline, it is a lot easier to find trees
> than flat spots. :]
>>Hammock hangers sleep cool, you will have cold air under you. I put a
> thermarest under me.
>
> I guess I'm the only one who's had trouble finding places to hang. I took my
> Hennessy on a 4-night trip (Maryland section of AT) and it was hard to find
> trees the right size and right distance apart with no trees or saplings too
> close to the sides and no briars or bushes underneath where the hammock would
> hang. You've got to have exactly the right space even though it doesn't have
to
> be flat ground.
>
> I, too, sleep with a Thermarest in the hammock. I bought it with a full
> undercover/underpad system but I find it really cumbersome, hard to set up,
and
> not that effective. Surprisingly, even though I "sleep cold," I was warm
> enough down to about 50* F, and only slightly chilly in mid-40's, with the
TR
> under me and my 20* down bag fluffed all around me as a quilt (wearing extra
> clothes.) However, when we knew it was going down to about freezing, I didn't
> try, slept in the shelter. What a difference between the hard floor and the
> hammock, ouch. The hammock is extremely comfortable, better than my bed.
>
> However............ I do find it a pain to find the right hanging trees. Also,
> the hammock + the rainfly add up to more than some of the lightweight tents
I'm
> interested in, and the Thermarest is heavier than the Big Agnes Thermacore I'd
> take if I were using a tent. And there are so many long strings (although I've
> learned to wind them up over my fingers and secure w/ rubber band for
>carrying.)
> I am still very much on the fence about tent vs. hammock (even vs. tarp only.)
> There's not much room in there at all.... if stranded somewhere for a few
> days by injury, illness, or weather it would be very confining, I think.
>
>
> MacGyver
>
>
>
> Finding places to hang:
>
> I live in Idaho surrounded by Natl Forest, there are always places to hang.
> As I explained to a skeptical scout dad: "I get to choose where we camp, and
> where I choose there will be trees.
> But there might not be a flat spot for your tent.
> As long as you are below the timberline, it is a lot easier to find trees
> than flat spots. :]
>
> Warmth:
> Hammock hangers sleep cool, you will have cold air under you. I put a
> thermarest under me.
> Other more inventive folks use underquilts and top quilts.
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>






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