I've been Hammockering for about 10 years now - I began in Hawaii where a friend
was making them out of old parachute material.

Since then, I've switched to black silk - or for less weight fishing net with a
styrofoam liner. Although... the Hammocks from 10 years ago are still used from
time to time :)

As are most of you - I am a lone camper - which I prefer.
Peace.
Later
- J

The adventure continues

I scored about 600 feet of 5/8 poly strapping (similar to Mule tape)

Bull Line   WP18  according to the web site it has a tensile strength of
1800 lbs.

I remembered a neighbor who worked for the phone company.

Price was right for scouts      free.


No more Bungee Hammocks

I have contacts with the Poer company and the cable company looking for
more.   :]

Ralph




On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 8:31 AM, Rosaleen Sullivan <rosaleen43@...>wrote:

>
> Hi, Ralph-
>
>
>
> Thanks for the update.  This is one of those times that I'd have preferred
> to be wrong.
>
>
>
> Rosaleen
>
> Trip Report!!!
>
> My scouts went camping last night.
> 6 scouts, 5 dads, 3 leaders, 12 hammocks 1 tent
>
> I was in my HH the rest of the hammocks were risk test hammocks with sheet
> bend and diagonal blue tarps.
>
> It rained most of the night!!
> Everybody slept warm and dry!!
>
> Most of the hammocks were made with poly strapping (one with mule tape) All
> performed flawlessly!
>
> 4 hammocks were made with nylon strapping, the two kids that slept in them
> did fine,
> the two dads that tried to sleep in them had to retie in the middle of the
> night because they (slowly ) hit the ground.
>
> As the group here predicted I had invented bungee hammocking.
> One inch nylon has to much stretch to be used for an adult hammock.
>
> Ralph
>
>
>
>


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Good job, Ralph!



Hmm-If you keep scoring big bundles, you may be able to go into selling lengths
as a fund raiser for your Scouts.  I think AntiGravity Gear may have started out
with Tin Man selling stoves with at least some of the proceeds going to his
Troop.



Changing topics: Are you going to the BSA Jamboree next month?



Rosaleen



Re: para corc
Posted by: "Ralph Oborn" Ralph.oborn@... polecatpop
Date: Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:41 pm ((PDT))

The adventure continues

I scored about 600 feet of 5/8 poly strapping (similar to Mule tape)

Bull Line WP18 according to the web site it has a tensile strength of
1800 lbs.


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No, some of my friends are,

I don't consider thousands of people on a lawn as camping.


Ralph

On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 4:13 AM, Rosaleen Sullivan <rosaleen43@...>wrote:

>
> Good job, Ralph!
>
>
>
> Hmm-If you keep scoring big bundles, you may be able to go into selling
> lengths as a fund raiser for your Scouts.  I think AntiGravity Gear may have
> started out with Tin Man selling stoves with at least some of the proceeds
> going to his Troop.
>
>
>
> Changing topics: Are you going to the BSA Jamboree next month?
>
>
>
> Rosaleen
>
>
>
> Re: para corc
> Posted by: "Ralph Oborn" Ralph.oborn@... polecatpop
> Date: Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:41 pm ((PDT))
>
> The adventure continues
>
> I scored about 600 feet of 5/8 poly strapping (similar to Mule tape)
>
> Bull Line WP18 according to the web site it has a tensile strength of
> 1800 lbs.
>
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This is probably a stupid question; however, for some time, I've been thinking
about ultralight backpacking and hammocking both of which I enjoy.
With weight reduction in mind, I was wondering how others have configured their
equipment to accommodate both interests.

That's a very good find.  Funny, but I just scored about 500' of the exact same
stuff this past weekend...  It's not terribly light, but the price is right.

Since Mule Tape is a brand, this is another equivalent, and it's polyester, so
absolutely no stretch.

This tape is, slippery by design, so make sure your knots are secure.  For the
kids, this also means no need for tree-huggers.

I've also sewn welded rings into short straps with a sewn-in-loop on one end for
attaching to the hammock.  Works well if you adjust the hammock, and tie a
slippery 1/2-hitch...

Nice score!

John

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, Ralph Oborn <Ralph.oborn@...> wrote:
>
> The adventure continues
>
> I scored about 600 feet of 5/8 poly strapping (similar to Mule tape)
>
> Bull Line   WP18  according to the web site it has a tensile strength of
> 1800 lbs.
>
> I remembered a neighbor who worked for the phone company.
>
> Price was right for scouts      free.
>
>
> No more Bungee Hammocks
>
> I have contacts with the Poer company and the cable company looking for
> more.   :]
>
> Ralph

I have recently put together a kit list for both light weight ground camping
with a tarp and hammock camping. On balance the hammock setup is heavier by a
pound or two because of the need for an underblanket and possibly a wind sock.
The actual weight of the hammock and suspension even if light is heavier than
say a bivvi bag or bug net used on the ground. My experience is of UK conditions
where an underblanket and/or a wind sock a necessary for most of the year to be
sure of a comfortable night.
However if you are travelling in wooded terrain then a hammock will provide a
far more comfortable night than you will get on the ground.
Just checked my recent kit lists and the hammock set adds about 2-3 pound. With
some tinkering to the suspension and not taking a windsock you could probably
shave some weight off this.
Nigel
Sent from my iPhone

On 17 Jun 2010, at 15:33, B D <bd29162dc@...> wrote:

> This is probably a stupid question; however, for some time, I've been thinking
about ultralight backpacking and hammocking both of which I enjoy.
> With weight reduction in mind, I was wondering how others have configured
their equipment to accommodate both interests.
>
>



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B D,

I would like to call myself an UL person, and this is my first post in this
group, though I have been a member for years.

All my gear fits into my ULA Conduit pack, and on my last trip 2 weeks ago, my
Conduit was actually too big.  I make all my hammocks, and my winter hammocks
are pretty plain Speer style.  My Summer (bug) Hammock is a DIY bottom entry,
that has a sewn in bug net.  I have 2 5oz Climashield XP quilts that I use when
the weather is cool, and they weigh 1 pound each, and for Summer I use a very
thin about 1oz Climashield quilt that weighs 10oz.  I also use a 10X12 Silnylon
Cat Tarp that my wife made that weighs 1 pound too.  I use an Alcohol stove, and
I purify my water using 2 drops of bleach to a liter of water.

My 3 day pack weight 2 weeks ago with food, and 2 liters of water was 15.5
pounds, and I brought home an extra pound of food.  I use a reflective winshield
sun thing as a support for my pack, and also to put under me when the temps go
below 70*.  I could have gone a little lighter, but a sub 10 pound pack is
always good in my mind.

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, B D <bd29162dc@...> wrote:
>
> This is probably a stupid question; however, for some time, I've been thinking
about ultralight backpacking and hammocking both of which I enjoy.
> With weight reduction in mind, I was wondering how others have configured
their equipment to accommodate both interests.
>

Mine has a conductivity wire running through, that will come out easily I
hope.


Ralph


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Ralph Oborn wrote:
> No more Bungee Hammocks

Must be some disappointed scouts out there!

CL

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, B D <bd29162dc@...> wrote:
>
> This is probably a stupid question; however, for some time, I've been thinking
about ultralight backpacking and hammocking both of which I enjoy.
> With weight reduction in mind, I was wondering how others have configured
their equipment to accommodate both interests.
>
to save on wieght for the hammock suspension i use whoopie slings, dutch clips
and about 6 ft of 1 in webbing for the tree hugger, you can get rid of the bug
netting shed a few more ounces anyway, i like my netting and take the wieght
penalty, when i had my hammock made they used 1.1 ripstop also lightened it up,
i prefer the hammock over ground more comfy!!!

If I'd like to make my own whoopie slings do I have to use Amsteel?
Will other ropes work?

What properties do I nee to look for?

I'm thnking yellow Polypropelene?


Ralph

On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 9:14 AM, egiese01 <egiese01@...> wrote:

>
>
> --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, B D <bd29162dc@...> wrote:
> >
> > This is probably a stupid question; however, for some time, I've been
> thinking about ultralight backpacking and hammocking both of which I enjoy.
> > With weight reduction in mind, I was wondering how others have configured
> their equipment to accommodate both interests.
> >
> to save on wieght for the hammock suspension i use whoopie slings, dutch
> clips and about 6 ft of 1 in webbing for the tree hugger, you can get rid of
> the bug netting shed a few more ounces anyway, i like my netting and take
> the wieght penalty, when i had my hammock made they used 1.1 ripstop also
> lightened it up, i prefer the hammock over ground more comfy!!!
>
>
>
>


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Unless you can find polypropolene that is rated 800 lbs or better, don't.
Amsteel is the favored choice of whoopie sling makers for good reason. It's
hollow core, very light, and very strong. You need something very, very strong.
The physics of hammocking are such that you will be putting hundreds of pounds
of load on the suspension of your hammock over and above just your weight.

The arborist's rope Zing It works great for whoopie slings and closed end loops
for tarps and other light duty suspension needs, for example, but you do not
want to use it on the hammock suspension as it is not going to be strong enough
to keep you off the ground very long.

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, Ralph Oborn <Ralph.oborn@...> wrote:
>
> If I'd like to make my own whoopie slings do I have to use Amsteel?
> Will other ropes work?
>
> What properties do I nee to look for?
>
> I'm thnking yellow Polypropelene?
>
>
> Ralph
>

7/64" amsteel is the best you're going to do, and is incredibly light. (those
under 200lbs might be able to use 2mm, but I wouldn't risk it...)  I've seen it
as cheap as $0.28/ft in small quantities, or you can get spools for a bit less,
depending on what you want.

http://www.whoopieslings.com/  has instructions, or sells whoopie slings...

John

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, Ralph Oborn <Ralph.oborn@...> wrote:
>
> If I'd like to make my own whoopie slings do I have to use Amsteel?
> Will other ropes work?
>
> What properties do I nee to look for?
>
> I'm thnking yellow Polypropelene?
>
>
> Ralph
>
> On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 9:14 AM, egiese01 <egiese01@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, B D <bd29162dc@> wrote:
> > >
> > > This is probably a stupid question; however, for some time, I've been
> > thinking about ultralight backpacking and hammocking both of which I enjoy.
> > > With weight reduction in mind, I was wondering how others have configured
> > their equipment to accommodate both interests.
> > >
> > to save on wieght for the hammock suspension i use whoopie slings, dutch
> > clips and about 6 ft of 1 in webbing for the tree hugger, you can get rid of
> > the bug netting shed a few more ounces anyway, i like my netting and take
> > the wieght penalty, when i had my hammock made they used 1.1 ripstop also
> > lightened it up, i prefer the hammock over ground more comfy!!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

So I'm day dreaming on my break  .....about hammocks and ridgelines


Can I run a line between two trees then hang the hammock (with a Prussik ??)
from the line?


Ralph


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Sure. But depending on what the line and prussik are made from you may need
to add more turns or use another knot from the same family - Klemheist or
Bachman.

If you think about the HH hang, with the ridge line going into the hammock
ends, that's the same thing, only the pieces of line forming the "line
between trees" are three pieces knotted together.

On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Ralph Oborn <Ralph.oborn@...> wrote:

>
>
> So I'm day dreaming on my break .....about hammocks and ridgelines
>
> Can I run a line between two trees then hang the hammock (with a Prussik
> ??)
> from the line?
>
> Ralph
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



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> So I'm day dreaming on my break .....about hammocks and ridgelines
>
> Can I run a line between two trees then hang the hammock (with a Prussik
> ??)
> from the line?
>
> Ralph
>


On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Carey Parks <Carey@...>wrote:

> Sure. But depending on what the line and prussik are made from you may need
> to add more turns or use another knot from the same family - Klemheist or
> Bachman.
>
> If you think about the HH hang, with the ridge line going into the hammock
> ends, that's the same thing, only the pieces of line forming the "line
> between trees" are three pieces knotted together.
>



Yup, That's what started this day dream.  :]

Ralph


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You get breaks? Ima half to talk to someone bout this...

Brian

On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Ralph Oborn <Ralph.oborn@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> So I'm day dreaming on my break .....about hammocks and ridgelines
>
> Can I run a line between two trees then hang the hammock (with a Prussik ??)
> from the line?
>
> Ralph
>
> [

On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Brian T <brian.tannehill@...> wrote:

> You get breaks? Ima half to talk to someone bout this...
>
> Brian



I take breaks!   :]

Ralph


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I was thinking of purchasing these
http://www.jacksrbetter.com/Strap%20Set.htm

But then I found this
http://www.strapworks.com/product_p/hss1h.htm

I already have a set of triglides from JRB, so it seems as if the second
one would be cheaper if htey are about the same thing.
Any advice?

TV

At 01:13 AM 23-06-10, Ralph Oborn wrote:
>Can I run a line between two trees then hang the hammock (with a Prussik ??)
>from the line?

That's exactly what I do.

Matthew Takeda
the JOAT

So, J, do you make your own hammocks? How would you compare the silk to the
parachute stuff in comfort, breathability, strength, etc?

Fish net? Wow, who woulda thought? And a styrofoam liner.... like, closed-cell
foam or something similar? How do you work this? This is very interesting.

MacGyver




________________________________
From: para <parallaxius@...>
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, June 15, 2010 9:40:40 AM
Subject: [Hammock Camping] Hi from a NewBe to the group = but an old Hammocker

 
I've been Hammockering for about 10 years now - I began in Hawaii where a friend
was making them out of old parachute material.

Since then, I've switched to black silk - or for less weight fishing net with a
styrofoam liner. Although... the Hammocks from 10 years ago are still used from
time to time :)

As are most of you - I am a lone camper - which I prefer.
Peace.
Later
- J







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I think the JRB straps are polyester, which would make them lighter... 
Personally, I like the setup from AHE with a Dutch Clip.  That way my strap is
attached to my hammock through the buckle. I wrap my strap around the tree, clip
it with the dutch clip, and adjust.  It's easier than having to thread the
tri-glide...

http://arrowheadequipment.webs.com/apps/webstore/products/show/1324005

Plus he has the straps for $0.50/ft, and sews eyes on one end...

You can use a dutch clip or carabiner, dutch clips are available from the
webstore from http://www.hammockforums.net

AHE has fantastic customer service, and ships quick...

Speer's site had polyester straps really cheap, I don't know if the business
change has affected that...

Best of luck,

John
--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Vickers <redroach@...> wrote:
>
>
> I was thinking of purchasing these
> http://www.jacksrbetter.com/Strap%20Set.htm
>
> But then I found this
> http://www.strapworks.com/product_p/hss1h.htm
>
> I already have a set of triglides from JRB, so it seems as if the second
> one would be cheaper if htey are about the same thing.
> Any advice?
>
> TV
>

Hi,

Anyone know if the Bug netting for a Exped Scout will fit a Eno Double Nest
hammock?  I"m not liking the design for the Eno bug net.  Thanks all.

Hi,

If anyone has an Exped Scout w/bug netting.  I would greatly appreciate a photo
of what the ends of the netting looks like around the suspension lines.  If you
would like to provide comments that too would be greatly appreciated.  I'm just
on a mission to get as much information as possible.  Thank to all.

I didnt think i would like the eno bug net..and didnt at first...i thought
hammock bliss idea was better...but after using the eno several times...i
understand the concept and have bought into it.......just for what its worth....





________________________________
From: markmiracle76 <mr.mmiracle@...>
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, June 26, 2010 10:13:52 AM
Subject: [Hammock Camping] Exped Scout Bug Netting


Hi,

Anyone know if the Bug netting for a Exped Scout will fit a Eno Double Nest
hammock?  I"m not liking the design for the Eno bug net.  Thanks all.







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Because I am allergic to down and can't use the original peapod, I would like to
get an extra wide + long sleeping bag to use as a peapod---but, I don't wish to
buy sleeping bag after sleeping bag until I find something suitable.

Does anyone have suggestions about what has worked for them?

   R Blake, Flagstaff, AZ

I bought the ENO Double Nest on a whim.  It was light and fairly inexpensive. 
I've already started making modification to it.  I put on a couple of "O" rings
on each end, and I'm in the process of adding a Ridge Line.

I'm not crazy about the way the ENO Bug net seems to fit, I don't like the way
it seems to reach all the way to the ground.  My other issue is the weight,
seems to weigh much more than most nets.

I'm not sure what you mean by buying into the concept?  Thanks.


--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, Jason McBride <jasonmcbride6108@...>
wrote:
>
> I didnt think i would like the eno bug net..and didnt at first...i thought
hammock bliss idea was better...but after using the eno several times...i
understand the concept and have bought into it.......just for what its worth....
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: markmiracle76 <mr.mmiracle@...>
> To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, June 26, 2010 10:13:52 AM
> Subject: [Hammock Camping] Exped Scout Bug Netting
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Anyone know if the Bug netting for a Exped Scout will fit a Eno Double Nest
hammock?  I"m not liking the design for the Eno bug net.  Thanks all.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Use a separate top and underquilt of synthetic filling?

I know there is a guy in the UK having something of a synthetic cocoon, not
sure if it was Lakeland Bushcraft (
http://www.lakelandbushcraft.co.uk/acatalog/Hammocking.html). It is not on
his site so you might wanna contact him or wait for other replies ;-)

Sorry, can't be of more help.

Grtz Johan

On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Blake Robert <xflagstaff9@...> wrote:

>
>
> Because I am allergic to down and can't use the original peapod, I would
> like to get an extra wide + long sleeping bag to use as a peapod---but, I
> don't wish to buy sleeping bag after sleeping bag until I find something
> suitable.
>
> Does anyone have suggestions about what has worked for them?
>
>    R Blake, Flagstaff, AZ
>
>
>



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> Adopted from:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2cop6bs
>
>
> Feel free to add some more:
>
>
>    1. Any stone in a hiking boot migrates to the location of maximum
>    pressure.
>    2. Remaining distance to a given campsite remains constant as twilight
>    approaches.
>    3. Number of mosquitoes at any given location is inversely proportional
>    to the volume of remaining repellent.
>    4. The probability of finding a latrine is one over the number of poison
>    ivy plants per acre.
>    5. The square feet of level ground available for tents equals the degrees
>    from horizon of the setting sun.
>    6. The need to urinate at night increases in direct relation to the hour
>    past midnight, layers of clothing worn, occupants in your tent, and inches
>    of rain since sunset. Curiously, it increases in 'inverse' relation to the
>    outside temperature.
>    7. The ground under shoulders compresses without sunlight while the
>    ground under feet expands.
>    8. Rocks and sticks rise above dirt when irritated by tent flooring
>    fabric.
>    9. Feet expand when removed from hiking boots. The same law applies to
>    tents and tent bags, clothing and backpacks, and sleeping bags and stuff
>    sacks.
>    10. Backpack strap widths decrease with the distance hiked. To
>    compensate, the weight of the backpack increases.
>    11. Average local temperature increases with the amount of clothing
>    packed.
>    12. Tent stakes come only in the quantity 'N-1' where N is the number of
>    stakes necessary to stake down a tent.
>    13. Fuel in sealed bottles spontaneously evaporates.
>    14. Fuel in stove reservoirs evaporates 10x as fast as fuel in sealed
>    bottles.
>    15. All available humidity and moisture will congregate on match heads.
>    16. If no match heads are in the vicinity, all moisture will congregate
>    inside waterproof clothing.
>    17. The one new tent on the trip that leaks will be yours.
>    18. The side of the tent that leaks will be your side.
>    19. All food assumes a common taste and color when freeze-dried.
>    20. Divide the number of servings by two when reading the directions for
>    reconstituting anything freeze-dried.
>    21. When reading the instructions of a pump-activated water filter,
>    'hour' should be substituted for 'minute' when reading the average quarts
>    filtered per minute.
>    22. A backpack's weight load migrates up and back the longer it is in
>    motion.
>    23. All tree branches in a forest grow outward from their respective
>    trunks at exactly the height of your nose. If you are male, tree branches
>    will also grow at groin height.
>    24. Swiss Army Knife toothpicks and tweezers evaporate upon contact with
>    air.
>    25. Rain happens.
>    26. Waterproof clothing isn't. (However, it is 100% effective at
>    containing sweat).
>    27. Non-stick pans aren't.
>    28. Waterproof matches aren't.
>    29. One size fits all don't.
>    30. Anything bug-proof isn't.
>    31. A backpack's weight is not affected by the amount of food eaten out
>    of it.
>    32. The minimum temperature rating for any sleeping bag raises as the
>    external temperature lowers.
>    33. Ropes holding bear bags stretch.
>    34. The loudness of an animal at night grows as the size of the animal
>    shrinks.
>    35. The sun sets 47% faster than normal when setting up camp. It sets
>    another 28% faster if rain is eminent.
>    36. Of a 25% chance of rain, 100% will fall in your campsite.
>    37. When hiking, you take half as many downhil steps as uphill.
>    38. 95% of a backpack's contents could have been left at home.
>    39. The 5% left at home will be needed.
>    40. The memory of misery approaches zero as the memory of joy approaches
>    infinity.
>
> <http://www.boyscouttrail.com/content/joke/murphys_laws_of_camping-1031.asp>