The underquilt works wonders. I made one out of a surplus sleeping bag liner for
my Dad and myself. Its light, but provides good wind block and warmth.
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-----Original Message-----
From: EHamilton <imagainst_the_wind@...>
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 14:48:17
To: <hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Need help!

Mbiraman -- Thank you for the encouragement and links. I realize it takes
learning... I need more practice before I, um, hang it up. I'm about ready to do
that today, last night was rough; but so many people love hammocks so much I
have to assume the problem is that I'm not doing it right. Well, right for
me.... what works is different for everyone, I'm sure.

Doug -- you mentioned warm sleep clothing -- that was going to be my next step.
I'm OK on top w/ 2 thin acrylic sweaters. Feet are good in wool or acrylic
socks. But all I've had on my legs is my running tights, which were my warm
layer on the AT but aren't making it alone in the hammock.

TV -- Until last night I kept noticing that despite being cold I was very
comfortable. A back issue was better after sleeping in the hammock. Until last
night. Fighting with the Big Agnes pad, trying all night to scoot it around,
avoiding getting strangled by the ridgeline, struggling to exit past pad +
sleeping bag + bag liner + the backpack I'd stored at my feet ... today my back
is sore. Another sign I'm making mistakes. I'm sleeping in bed tonight :-/

Rich -- I'll definitely try my 8 X 10 tarp instead of the original fly and/or
the custom one. It's a little on the heavy side, urethane-coated nylon, but
worth a try. I'm a little confused how you rig your gear line.... under the
hammock? Beside the hammock? The only way I can access an external line is
through the bottom flap.

Thanks for helping, everyone! I sure hope I get this figured out. Even though we
flooded Dave's inbox....

MacGyver




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Jerry that sounds very interesting.  What is a NeoAir pad?  Everyone is
searching for the ideal solution to hammock warmth & I get a big kick out of
all the innovations & trial & errors going around.  I love it when someone
comes across a possibly good solution.  Good work...Ed







From: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Jerry Goller
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 5:46 PM
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Hammock Camping] Back with questions





That is the same issue I ran into with all the hammocks I tried in cooler
weather. I could make a rig that kept me warm but it was way too heavy. My
final solution was a double bottomed Hennessy and a NeoAir pad. I got the
25" wide pad then taped two 10" x 20" NeoAir pillows they gave away at the
show one year. I'm trying to talk Therm-a-Rest into packaging the same set
up and market it to hammockers.

Jerry
http://www.backpackgeartest.org/: the most comprehensive interactive gear
reviews on the planet.

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Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 14:13
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com <mailto:hammockcamping%40yahoogroups.com>

Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Back with questions

It seems like with all these extra underquilts etc. we're packing a lot of
weight here? One reason I wanted to go to a hammock was to go lighter. The
open-cell foam pad that came with the set-up, though, doesn't insulate very
well.

@@@
You are probably cold on your knees and butt. Above the pad but where the
hammock compresses your bag.

Cut a couple of one foot square pad piecies and put them at your knee and
butt. You will be warmer. Before going to bed they work as seatwarmers while
sitting on rocks etc.

Ralph

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EHamilton wrote:
> Rich -- I'll definitely try my 8 X 10 tarp instead of the original fly and/or
the custom one. It's a little on the heavy side, urethane-coated nylon, but
worth a try. I'm a little confused how you rig your gear line.... under the
hammock? Beside the hammock? The only way I can access an external line is
through the bottom flap.
>
>
>
I rig the gear line above the hammock and hang my pack and shoes towards
the ends.

Rich


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I have one of the largest Hennessy hammocks.  The first time I set it
up, I used two trees that were close enough together so that the ends
of the hammock just about touched the trees and the hammock ridgeline
was at about eye level. (I'm 5'8".)  When I got into it, it cleared the
ground by about 8", and I had a great couple of nights in it. I love
the thing for summer camping in the Catskills and Adirondacks.

My problem seems to be getting it hung HIGH enough so I don't drag my
butt on the ground!  If the trees are farther apart than the length of
the hammock, I can't get enough "altitude".  Is there a secret formula?
   How high do I need to tie it off to keep from sleeping on the ground?
LOL!  I really want to use my hammock all summer this year and could
use some help.

Thanks!

Ratty

I was thinking about an eggcrate mattress-topper pad from Wal-Mart, cut to fit.
I'm short on funds. Got a great deal on the hammock and am now feeling crappy
b/c I'm not sure I like it.

I will take a "zero day" from messing with it and then start again.

MacGyver




________________________________
From: Jerry Goller <jerrygoller@...>

That is the same issue I ran into with all the hammocks I tried in cooler
weather. I could make a rig that kept me warm but it was way too heavy. My
final solution was a double bottomed Hennessy and a NeoAir pad. I got the
25" wide pad then taped two 10" x 20" NeoAir pillows they gave away at the
show one year. I'm trying to talk Therm-a-Rest into packaging the same set
up and market it to hammockers.

Jerry
http://www.backpack geartest. org/: the most comprehensive interactive gear
reviews on the planet.

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From: hammockcamping@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:hammockcamping@ yahoogroups. com]
On Behalf Of Ralph Oborn
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 14:13
To: hammockcamping@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Back with questions

It seems like with all these extra underquilts etc. we're packing a lot of
weight here? One reason I wanted to go to a hammock was to go lighter. The
open-cell foam pad that came with the set-up, though, doesn't insulate very
well.

@@@
You are probably cold on your knees and butt. Above the pad but where the
hammock compresses your bag.

Cut a couple of one foot square pad piecies and put them at your knee and
butt. You will be warmer. Before going to bed they work as seatwarmers while
sitting on rocks etc.

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Hey, Ed.

http://tinyurl.com/la2xej It is light, warm, and very compactable. It's got
an R factor of about 2.5. It's good down into the teens, which is as cold as
I am likely to take a hammock.

The set up isn't cheap but I only have to buy it once. I have to sleep in it
every night I'm on the trail.

Jerry

http://www.backpackgeartest.org/: the most comprehensive interactive gear
reviews on the planet.


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From: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Ed Speer
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 16:12
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Hammock Camping] Back with questions

Jerry that sounds very interesting.  What is a NeoAir pad?  Everyone is
searching for the ideal solution to hammock warmth & I get a big kick out of
all the innovations & trial & errors going around.  I love it when someone
comes across a possibly good solution.  Good work...Ed







From: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Jerry Goller
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 5:46 PM
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Hammock Camping] Back with questions





That is the same issue I ran into with all the hammocks I tried in cooler
weather. I could make a rig that kept me warm but it was way too heavy. My
final solution was a double bottomed Hennessy and a NeoAir pad. I got the
25" wide pad then taped two 10" x 20" NeoAir pillows they gave away at the
show one year. I'm trying to talk Therm-a-Rest into packaging the same set
up and market it to hammockers.

Jerry
http://www.backpackgeartest.org/: the most comprehensive interactive gear
reviews on the planet.

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Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 14:13
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Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Back with questions

It seems like with all these extra underquilts etc. we're packing a lot of
weight here? One reason I wanted to go to a hammock was to go lighter. The
open-cell foam pad that came with the set-up, though, doesn't insulate very
well.

@@@
You are probably cold on your knees and butt. Above the pad but where the
hammock compresses your bag.

Cut a couple of one foot square pad piecies and put them at your knee and
butt. You will be warmer. Before going to bed they work as seatwarmers while
sitting on rocks etc.

Ralph

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OK, above the hammock, but under the tarp. I'm getting closer (warmer?) to
picturing what you're describing. Longitudinal to the ridgeline, but looser, so
it's below the hammock? or what?

MacGyver (who maybe should change her Trail name)




________________________________
From: Richard Perlman richard@...


>
>
I rig the gear line above the hammock and hang my pack and shoes towards
the ends.

Rich

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MacGyver,

  I have a few suggestions for you with the understanding that you will work
out your own bugs to your satisfaction.

>1.) Where do you put all your gear -- pack, boots, etc.

I hang them from a beanier just at the distal end of the opening which lets
them hang just oustide the hennesy.  The veclro just bypasses the stirng to
close up tight. You do have to put a knot in the ridge line to keep them
from sliding around.  The small piece of string that lets the pack and boots
hang from there with a beanier is not much added weight.  Most of the small
stuff  like my glasses flashlight etc fits in the ridgeline pocket.  I use a
knots at both ends of the pocket  in the ridge line to keep it from sliding
beyond my reach. It's nice to have my boots suspended from rain and water
and not inside stinking the place up.  If you want you can cover these with
seperate free plastic grocery bags to keep wind bown mositure and  dew
dampness down.
I've never found the pack under my feet to stay put so I just hang it out of
the opening were I can get things out of it in the rain too.  I have
restlees legs so tend to kick open the velcro opening so I kick out the pack
too. My feet in my sleeping bag do not seam to mind sticking out a bit when
I get tot resless. In codler weather I don't worry about skeeters getting
inside with me.

2.) It seems colder than the tent.

Yes it is
as the wind underneath can robb you of heat.
The ground can do that too in a tent if it's frozen solid thus a insulation
pad barrier is necessarey in both a tent and a hammock.  I break the wind
with a mylar sheet and use a down air mattrees  in cold weather and add a
SPE (segmated pad extension) Ed Spears makes with a closed cell pad also
under the down air matress.  It; my frame for my backpack any way.
My issues with this is that with my restless feet I am tossing and turning
all night long and the pads tend to move on top of me.   In warmer weather I
can get away with using my 3/4 big Angus air mattress.  My artirits and
bursitis mandates a pad under my hips other wise I'd try to go without a pad
in summer and use just the closed cell SPE in case it dipps dowm colder..
I haven't tired this out yet but I'm thinking of making a light weight pad
pillow case and try to tie the top of the case to the head of the end tie
outs and  see if that helps with all the sliding around if not I'm thiking
of adding the same to all four corners of the pillow case.
I can wiggle so much my sleeping bag gets wrapped around me like a boa
constrictor.
I've tried a hammock with a pocket underneath for the pad but found the pad
hung an inch or two under my body.
That was an Ed Spears type hamock so I just turned the hammock inside out
which kept the cushion helping the arthritis.  My next try will be a wide
neoair when I can afford to purchase and wish they would make a 3/4 one with
wings for the shoulders and a larger womans hips.

>3.) Not much headroom when sitting up.... maybe learn to do everything
>(bath, etc.) while standing in it w/ feet on the ground, and everything
>else lying down?

I must be a lot shorter than you as I can sit up just fine.
Our Tiawan friend Cara suggests a lungi for bathing which would work well
with teh hennesy hammock staidn up in the opening..

4.) Back to being cold.... seemed like more "fresh air" than I ............
Maybe pitch the tarp lower? (I had it on a separate ridgeline about 6" above
the hammock ridgeline.)

The idea in cold weather is to keep the wind and cold out by pitching the
tarp close into your hammock.


>I am positive I'm going to like this setup once I get the "hang" of it. In
>the meantime, I need help!

Give Rosaleen on this list your phone number she can walk you through a
bunch of options that work for women.
She has a P.H.D. in Hennesy hammocks.

Rogene

Ed,
Neo air is made by thermarest people its a bit costly and they don't make it
3/4 length but you can get one 25 inches wide.  It's really light weight and
gear testers are finding it to be tough enough for days of hiking if you
take care of it.
I;ve sat on one at MRO outfitters in Damascus.  Thought it would not be
tough. It also has some sort of insulation mylar type layer inside of the
pad but no real insulation.  It's just about as comfy as your DAM with out
all the feathers but is much colder.


I'm lusting for one someday as it weights just about half of my 3/4 Big
Angus air mattress.

Rogene

Sandy in Miami:

You made me chuckle. I have this vision of "Armchair Hikers" earning badges and
getting certificates for reading about hiking X number of miles. Just don't
start cooking your evening meals on camp stoves in front of the TV :>) I
couldn't help myself...

Dennis, "K1" Blanchard

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Sandy" <sandykayak@...> wrote:
>
> Ordered!!  I've read 10 million steps and a slew of other AT hiking books. 
Armchair hiker par excellence!!
>
> sandy in miami
>

On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Rogene Calkins <ccwayah@...> wrote:

> Ed,
> Neo air is made by thermarest people its a bit costly and they don't make
> it
> 3/4 length but you can get one 25 inches wide.  It's really light weight
> and
> gear testers are finding it to be tough enough for days of hiking if you
> take care of it.


When I laid on one at Jerry's house my back got warm!!.
And when I tried to pick it up, it was so light it about flew out of my
hand.

Jerry just stood there grinning at me.

Despite all my hints and suggestions he won't adopt me.  :]

Ralph


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Count your blessings
At least you have seen Jerry's gear closet/basement
I have just been able to massage some snow shoes that once sat in his
collection.


TV

Aha! This may have been part of my problem last night. I had it hanging way high
between two far-apart trees. I had no room to move around inside. I was a
Hennessy sandwich: bug net, me, hammock. Like I said in an earlier post, the
ridgeline was in my face.

OK, next time, trees closer together, hammock lower. No getting strangled in the
ridgline.

How about..... this may be crazy.... pitching it so low it really is almost on
the ground, and putting a ThermaRest or Big Agnes on the ground under it, just
like in a tent? The ground actually does provide some warmth, in the "bridge
freezes before road" mechanism.

Would that be crazy? I guess trying it once isn't. I might try that.

MacGyver




________________________________
From: "ratsmouth@..." <ratsmouth@...>
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, April 20, 2010 6:36:26 PM
Subject: RE: [Hammock Camping] Back with questions

 
I have one of the largest Hennessy hammocks. The first time I set it
up, I used two trees that were close enough together so that the ends
of the hammock just about touched the trees and the hammock ridgeline
was at about eye level. (I'm 5'8".) When I got into it, it cleared the
ground by about 8", and I had a great couple of nights in it. I love
the thing for summer camping in the Catskills and Adirondacks.

My problem seems to be getting it hung HIGH enough so I don't drag my
butt on the ground! If the trees are farther apart than the length of
the hammock, I can't get enough "altitude". Is there a secret formula?
How high do I need to tie it off to keep from sleeping on the ground?
LOL! I really want to use my hammock all summer this year and could
use some help.

Thanks!

Ratty







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>I must be a lot shorter than you as I can sit up just fine.

I'm only 5'1 or 2". Pretty small. I think, from reading Ratty's post, I had my
trees too far apart and the whole thing pitched to tight and narrow. The one I
saw on YouTube had way more headroom than mine. Last night I couldn't sit up at
all without being threatened with the ridgeline. So, the trees ought to be about
as far apart as the length of the hammock, eh? Maybe a little more, so the tarp
can cover the ends?

>Our Tiawan friend Cara suggests a lungi for bathing which would work well
with teh hennesy hammock staidn up in the opening..

Do you have any idea what a lungi is? I dont....

MacGyver, desperately trying mentally to fix this with duct tape, a Swiss Army
knife, and a few paper clips....



 



________________________________
From: Rogene Calkins <ccwayah@...>
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, April 20, 2010 8:37:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Back with questions

 

MacGyver,

I have a few suggestions for you with the understanding that you will work
out your own bugs to your satisfaction.

>1.) Where do you put all your gear -- pack, boots, etc.

I hang them from a beanier just at the distal end of the opening which lets
them hang just oustide the hennesy. The veclro just bypasses the stirng to
close up tight. You do have to put a knot in the ridge line to keep them
from sliding around. The small piece of string that lets the pack and boots
hang from there with a beanier is not much added weight. Most of the small
stuff like my glasses flashlight etc fits in the ridgeline pocket. I use a
knots at both ends of the pocket in the ridge line to keep it from sliding
beyond my reach. It's nice to have my boots suspended from rain and water
and not inside stinking the place up. If you want you can cover these with
seperate free plastic grocery bags to keep wind bown mositure and dew
dampness down.
I've never found the pack under my feet to stay put so I just hang it out of
the opening were I can get things out of it in the rain too. I have
restlees legs so tend to kick open the velcro opening so I kick out the pack
too. My feet in my sleeping bag do not seam to mind sticking out a bit when
I get tot resless. In codler weather I don't worry about skeeters getting
inside with me.

2.) It seems colder than the tent.

Yes it is
as the wind underneath can robb you of heat.
The ground can do that too in a tent if it's frozen solid thus a insulation
pad barrier is necessarey in both a tent and a hammock. I break the wind
with a mylar sheet and use a down air mattrees in cold weather and add a
SPE (segmated pad extension) Ed Spears makes with a closed cell pad also
under the down air matress. It; my frame for my backpack any way.
My issues with this is that with my restless feet I am tossing and turning
all night long and the pads tend to move on top of me. In warmer weather I
can get away with using my 3/4 big Angus air mattress. My artirits and
bursitis mandates a pad under my hips other wise I'd try to go without a pad
in summer and use just the closed cell SPE in case it dipps dowm colder..
I haven't tired this out yet but I'm thinking of making a light weight pad
pillow case and try to tie the top of the case to the head of the end tie
outs and see if that helps with all the sliding around if not I'm thiking
of adding the same to all four corners of the pillow case.
I can wiggle so much my sleeping bag gets wrapped around me like a boa
constrictor.
I've tried a hammock with a pocket underneath for the pad but found the pad
hung an inch or two under my body.
That was an Ed Spears type hamock so I just turned the hammock inside out
which kept the cushion helping the arthritis. My next try will be a wide
neoair when I can afford to purchase and wish they would make a 3/4 one with
wings for the shoulders and a larger womans hips.

>3.) Not much headroom when sitting up.... maybe learn to do everything
>(bath, etc.) while standing in it w/ feet on the ground, and everything
>else lying down?

I must be a lot shorter than you as I can sit up just fine.
Our Tiawan friend Cara suggests a lungi for bathing which would work well
with teh hennesy hammock staidn up in the opening..

4.) Back to being cold.... seemed like more "fresh air" than I ............
Maybe pitch the tarp lower? (I had it on a separate ridgeline about 6" above
the hammock ridgeline.)

The idea in cold weather is to keep the wind and cold out by pitching the
tarp close into your hammock.

>I am positive I'm going to like this setup once I get the "hang" of it. In
>the meantime, I need help!

Give Rosaleen on this list your phone number she can walk you through a
bunch of options that work for women.
She has a P.H.D. in Hennesy hammocks.

Rogene







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MacGyver, desperately trying mentally to fix this with duct tape, a Swiss
Army knife, and a few paper clips....




Practice makes perfect, but practice when there is no stress to get it done
quick.

Find some trees at a park 10 to 20 feet apart. or a church or a school, or
nearby woods.

Practice there in the daylight, experiment with different sag angles,
different tree wrap heights etc.

You will attract an audience.  :]

Climb in, wiggle, sit up, bring a book, take a nap.

After a dozen or so experiments (most will be failures) you will find out
what works best for you and your individual hammock.

Just as I can't tell you how tight to tie your shoes, or how to pack your
pack, I really can't explain how I know to hang my hammock.


Remember one of the purposes of a hammock is to reduce stress. :]

Ralph


beneath stars I float
a dream in the forest night
wakes to spring morning

---
André


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Hi Folks,

Sorry for jumping in on this, as I'm a beginner to hammock camping and live in
Florida where the State Parks don't allow anything hung from a tree (AARGH!).

Anyone try using a space blanket under their sleeping bag? I don't know how well
it would work or hold up but it's surely light enough.

Rege

--- On Tue, 4/20/10, Jerry Goller <jerrygoller@...> wrote:

From: Jerry Goller <jerrygoller@...>
Subject: RE: [Hammock Camping] Back with questions
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 20, 2010, 7:32 PM







 









       Hey, Ed.



http://tinyurl. com/la2xej It is light, warm, and very compactable. It's got

an R factor of about 2.5. It's good down into the teens, which is as cold as

I am likely to take a hammock.



The set up isn't cheap but I only have to buy it once. I have to sleep in it

every night I'm on the trail.



Jerry



http://www.backpack geartest. org/: the most comprehensive interactive gear

reviews on the planet.



-----Original Message-----

From: hammockcamping@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:hammockcamping@ yahoogroups. com]

On Behalf Of Ed Speer

Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 16:12

To: hammockcamping@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: RE: [Hammock Camping] Back with questions



Jerry that sounds very interesting.  What is a NeoAir pad?  Everyone is

searching for the ideal solution to hammock warmth & I get a big kick out of

all the innovations & trial & errors going around.  I love it when someone

comes across a possibly good solution.  Good work...Ed



From: hammockcamping@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:hammockcamping@ yahoogroups. com]

On Behalf Of Jerry Goller

Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 5:46 PM

To: hammockcamping@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: RE: [Hammock Camping] Back with questions



That is the same issue I ran into with all the hammocks I tried in cooler

weather. I could make a rig that kept me warm but it was way too heavy. My

final solution was a double bottomed Hennessy and a NeoAir pad. I got the

25" wide pad then taped two 10" x 20" NeoAir pillows they gave away at the

show one year. I'm trying to talk Therm-a-Rest into packaging the same set

up and market it to hammockers.



Jerry

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It seems like with all these extra underquilts etc. we're packing a lot of

weight here? One reason I wanted to go to a hammock was to go lighter. The

open-cell foam pad that came with the set-up, though, doesn't insulate very

well.



@@@

You are probably cold on your knees and butt. Above the pad but where the

hammock compresses your bag.



Cut a couple of one foot square pad piecies and put them at your knee and

butt. You will be warmer. Before going to bed they work as seatwarmers while

sitting on rocks etc.



Ralph



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A few years ago I challenged the Hammocking Forum to write some hammock
poetry.

This is what we ended up with.



Enjoy

Anybody else got some updated ideas??

Ralph




beneath stars I float
a dream in the forest night
wakes to spring morning

---
André

mr. sandman comes

so easily
It's hard to believe
it's minus three
wrapped up warm
in my hammock
sleeping peacefully

errr... first post and I'm spouting poetry.

titanium

  Hangers

Ground people sleep in tarp and tent
Wondering where all their sleep went.
Fighting the rock, the root, the cone.
Where is my sleep? Here all alone.
Vis'ted by ants, snakes, skunks and slugs
Down in the mud with all the bugs.

By all accounts, we came from dust,
It doesn't mean, sleep there we must.
Tree people hang by strap and rope
Over the ground, above the slope
While in our dreams, we could then fly
Hanging there 'neath earth and sky

Ralph Oborn

  Hangers II  (much better)

Ground people sleep in tarp, leanto, or tent
Squandering their nights in restless torment.
Fighting the rocks, roots, sticks, and cones.
Moaning and groaning, Oh!, my aching bones!
Vis'ted by mice, snakes, skunks and slugs;
Nightmares in mud with ants, spiders, and bugs.


Tree people are suspended by strap and rope
Above the hard ground, mud, rocks, and slope.
Rocked by the breezes, our cares float away;
Tired muscles relax, as gently we sway.
Then off to dreamland we blissfully fly,
Cradled securely 'tween earth and sky

Ralph Oborn (revised by Patti Binder)





there was an old man from mcbannock
who liked to get sleep in a hammock
he awoke with a start
as his main rope did part
and loudly said "well goddammock"

Moz

sleep soft under stars
warm comfort from winter chill
hammock swings gently


Moz



Lying between nylon cozy and warm
Enjoying flashes and rumbles from the nearing storm
I thank the good Lord for my Hennessy and for trees
Then slowly drift off, swaying gently in the evening breeze

Jamie in AZ

  the ground was hard, or so I'm told,
sloped a little down the fold,
a bit of rain came down the slope,
wetting sleeping bags, they mope,
a big raccoon was bothersome,
they say that no, it was no fun,
and creepie-crawlies everywhere,
plus condensation from thin air.

Only I missed this adventure.
Sleeping in my hammock's center
until coffee smell did wake me...
thank god tenters get up early!

---
André

  A poem (By apfel, but also by Pooh)

When it snows, tiddley pom
the more it blows, tiddley pom

And though hammocks sway, tiddley pom
they do not weigh, tiddley pom

Above my tarp, tiddley pom
The birds do lark, tiddley pom

And noone knows, tiddley pom
How cold my nose, tiddley pom
How cold my nose, tiddley pom
Is growing







Shanes Effort(s)



T'was the night before summit, and all on the ground,
Not a hiker was sleeping; no campsite was found.
The walkers were vexed by ground so unstable
No flat spot was found the size of a table.

The campers tried nestling on top of their packs,
but the lumps and the bumps were twisting their backs.
Try though they might, no rest could they find,
And one did exclaim, "My poor aching behind!"

When out from the trail there arose such a clatter,
They sprang from their bags to check out the matter.
Downward they looked with their aches and their pains
From their long sleepless evening they felt quite insane

The moon on the breast of the new-fallen snow
Gave the lustre of mid-day to objects below,
When, what to their wondering eyes should appear,
But a fantastic sleigh, and eight ginormous reindeer,

With a little old driver, with huge hiker gams,
I knew in a moment it must be St. Ham.
More rapid than eagles his coursers they came,
And he whistled, and shouted, and called them by name:

"Now, Speer! now, Hennessy! now Bana and Byer!
On, Bliss! on Jungle!, on Amazonas! and Lyer!
To the top of the hill now! to the top of the wall!
Now stop yo'self! stop yo'self! stop yo'self all!"

As dry leaves that before the wild hurricane fly,
When they meet with an obstacle, mount to the sky,
So up to the switchback the coursers they flew,
With the sleigh full of hammocks, and St. Ham too.

And then, in a twinkling, he tossed out a sack,
then another, and another, and they all just stared back.
As my bag slipped away, and fell to the ground,
St. Ham jumped from the sleigh with one mighty bound.

He was dressed all in Gore-Tex, from his head to his foot,
And he looked quite refreshed with his well-rested look.
A bag full of tarps he had flung on his back,
And he looked like a thru-hiker opening his pack.

His eyes -- how they twinkled -- his dimples how merry!
His cheeks were like roses, his nose like a cherry!
His droll little mouth was drawn up like a bow,
And the beard of his chin was as white as the snow.

The stump of a Slim-Jim he held tight in his teeth,
And hiker stench encircled his head like a wreath.
He had a broad face and hands that were strong,
And as he strung hammocks, he sung a fine song.

"Woe to you groundling, with the rocks and the roots
Without enough enough sense to take off your boots!
Watch this now and closely, I'll just show you twice;
Once you can do this, you'll escape snakes and mice!"

He tied up the beds, and lined them with care
With pads and thick bags and a pillow to spare
A wink of his eye and a twist of his head,
Soon gave me to know I would sleep like the dead.

He spoke not a word, but kept straight to his work,
He tied all the knots; which he cinched with a jerk,
He drove in some stakes, and strung up a tarp,
then pulled them all tightly in the quickening dark.

He sprang to his sleigh, to his teams gave a whistle,
And downward they slid off the hill like a missle.
But I heard him exclaim, ere he drove out of sight,
"Happy Hammocking to all, and to all a good-night!"
















Oh, that's just a quickie.  I can do Rhyme of the Ancient Hammocker too...

PART THE FIRST

It is an ancient hammocker,
And he stoppeth one of three.
"By thy long grey beard and glittering eye,
Now wherefore stopp'st thou me?

"The Bridegroom's doors are opened wide,
And I am next of kin;
The guests are met, the feast is set:
May'st hear the merry din."

He holds him with his skinny hand,
"There was a hammock," quoth he.
"Hold off! unhand me, greybeard loon!"
Eftsoons his hand dropt he.

He holds him with his glittering eye -
The wedding-guest stood still,
And listens like a three years' child:
The Hammocker hath his will.


Somehow, though, that's not quite as good.  ;)

Shane



> Quick !!!
>
> Somebody beat Shane to the Walrus and the Carpenter"

Lou had much better drugs than I do...





More Shane
> And the Gettysburg address

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent,
a new sleep system, conceived in Comfort, and dedicated to the proposition
that all people should sleep well in the wilderness.

...

> Is nothing sacred???

Wrong list...  ;)

Shane











Is nothing sacred?

My heartfelt apologies to Ted Geisel, but I couldn't help myself.  (I
blame Shane)

Ralph

THE HAMMOCK MAN

Sam I am,

I am Sam
I am Sam,

Sam I am

That Sam-I-am!
That Sam-I-am!
I do not like that Sam-I-am!

Do you like hammocks, man?

I do not like them, Sam-I-am.
I do not like hammocks, Sam.

Would you like them here or there?

I would not like them here or there.
I would not like them anywhere.
I do not like hammocks, Sam.
I do not like them, Sam-I-am.

Would you like them in a house?
Would you like them with a mouse?

I do not like them in a house.
I do not like them with a mouse.
I do not like them here or there.
I do not like them anywhere.
I do not like hammocks, Sam.
I do not like them, Sam-I-am.

Would you use them in a box?
Would you use them with a fox?

Not in a box.
Not with a fox.
Not in a house.
Not with a mouse.
I would not use them here or there.
I would not use them anywhere.
I would not use hammocks, Sam.
I do not like them, Sam-I-am.

Would you? Could you?
Hang from a car?
Use them! Use them!
Here they are.

I would not, could not, hang from a car.

You may like them.
You will see.
You may like to hang from a tree!

I would not, could not hang from a tree.
Not in a car! You let me be!

I do not hang them in a box.
I do not hang them with a fox.
I do not hang them in a house.
I do not hang them with a mouse.
I do not hang them here or there.
I do not hang them anywhere.
I do not hang hammocks, Sam.
I do not hang them, Sam-I-am.

A train! A train!
A train! A train!
Could you, would you, tie on a train?

Not on a train! Not in a tree!
Not in a car! Sam! Let me be!

I would not, could not, tie in a box.
I could not, would not, tie with a fox.
I will not tie them with a mouse.
I will not tie them in a house.
i will not tie them here or there.
I will not tie them anywhere.
I do not tie hammocks, Sam.
I do not tie them, Sam-I-am.

Say!
In the dark?
Here in the dark, under a tarp!
Would you, could you, sleep in the dark, under a tarp?

I would not, could not,
Sleep in the dark, under a tarp.

Would you, could you,
in the rain?

Are you insane?
I would not, could not, in the rain.
Not in the dark under a tarp. Not on a train.
Not in a car. Not in a tree.
I do not like them, Sam, you see.
Not in a house. Not in a box.
Not with a mouse. Not with a fox.
I will not put them here or there.
I do not put them anywhere!

You do not like hammocks?

I do not like hammocks,
Sam-I-am.

Could you, would you with a goat?

I would not, could not, set up with a goat!

Would you, could you, set up on a boat?

I could not, would not, set up on a boat.
I will not, will not, set up with a goat.
I will not hang them in the rain.
I will not hang them on a train.
Not hang in the dark! Not hang in a tree!
Not sleep in a car! You let me be!
I do not tie them in a box.
I do not tie them with a fox.
I will not use them in a house.
I do not use them with a mouse.
I do not like them here or there.
I do not like them ANYWHERE

I do not like hammocks, Sam!

I do not like them, Sam-I-am.

You do not like them.
So you say.
Try them! Try them!
And you may.
Try them and you may, I say.

Sam!
If you will let me be, I will try them.
You will see.

Say!
I like hammocks!
I do! I like them, Sam-I-am!
And I would set up in a boat.
And I would set up with a goat...

And I will hang them in the rain.
And hang in the dark. And hang on a train.
And hang in a car. And hang in a tree.
They are so good, so good, you see!

So I will tie them in a box.
And I will tie them with a fox.
And I will tie them in a house.
And I will tie them with a mouse.
And I will tie them here and there.
Say! I will tie them ANYWHERE!

I do so like
Hammocks, Sam!
Thank you!
Thank you,
Sam-I-am!

Now what should we eat?





Butchered by Ralph










> But I can assure you that NO one in Nantucket sleeps in hammocks...
Ralph

Eh...

There was an old man from Nantucket
Whose quilt was so wide he could tuck it
In a hammock cocoon
He slept until noon
While the tenters bailed water with buckets

JWJ        :)


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Like others, I almost immediately ditched pads for a JacksRBetter
underquilt: nest.  I found I need some sort of bottom insulation as soon
as the temperature gets below 27*C (about 80*F).  The thing is, I'm cold
with the JRB nest when the temperatures get below 8*C (47*F)--and that's
when there's no wind.  Then, I have to put the pad back inside AND I
have to use spare clothes, stuffsacs, etc, to keep shoulders and knees
and heels warm.  Messing with all the sacs and pads and clothes and
things makes even more of a hassle my midnight runs to the bathroom.

I use Hennessey's Backpacker Asym when in the field.  I bought the
mid-sized McCat tarp for improved coverage.  Even when the temperatures
are near 0*C, though, I don't want to use the tarp if it is clear.  The
best thing about the hammock is being able to see stars again.

I've not had any trouble with the JacksRBetter No-sniveller keeping the
top side of me warm enough down to 0*C.  It's always been the bottom
side that's difficult.  I'm now 'saving' up the money for JRB's Mt.
Washington quilt.

CL
who is gradually facing the fact that when hiking in subtropical
Taiwan's sub-alpine zone, hammocks are just heavier than
tents--temperatures here can approach 0*C any time of the year.

Jerry,

Let the therm-a-rest people know that I'll certainly buy two of their
pillows if and when they're available.

CL
who already has the 25" pad.

Jerry Goller wrote:
   > That is the same issue I ran into with all the hammocks I tried in
cooler
> weather. I could make a rig that kept me warm but it was way too heavy. My
> final solution was a double bottomed Hennessy and a NeoAir pad. I got the
> 25" wide pad then taped two 10" x 20" NeoAir pillows they gave away at the
> show one year. I'm trying to talk Therm-a-Rest into packaging the same set
> up and market it to hammockers.

MacGyver,

Your Hennessey comes with a ridgeline between you and the mesh netting.
   Just tie a bit of string into a loop and then wrap it around this
ridgeline to make a Prusik knot
<http://www.animatedknots.com/prusik/index.php?LogoImage=LogoGrog.jpg&Website=ww\
w.animatedknots.com>.
   Under tension, this knot will not slide.

Rogene Calkins wrote:
> I hang them from a beanier just at the distal end of the opening which lets
> them hang just oustide the hennesy.  The veclro just bypasses the stirng to
> close up tight. You do have to put a knot in the ridge line to keep them
> from sliding around.  The small piece of string that lets the pack and boots
> hang from there with a beanier is not much added weight.

I store things inside my hammock using the built-in pocket (glasses,
flashlight, pencil¬epaper.  I also use some mesh from an expired
laundry bag to make two little hammocks hanging from my ridgeline way up
in the head-end of the hammock.  These hammocks are tied to the
ridgeline using Prusik knots, so I can adjust their sag and tension.
The one closest to the head end holds my camera bag.  The one between
the camera bag and the Hennessey pockets holds my water bottle.  The
only problem with these mini-hammocks is their placement: you have to be
inside the Hennessey to get things into or out of them.  I shoved them
way up at the head end, because I don't like having things hanging right
over my face.  I made the hammocks because I don't like having things
falling onto my head, either.

> I must be a lot shorter than you as I can sit up just fine.
> Our Tiawan friend Cara suggests a lungi for bathing which would work well
> with teh hennesy hammock staidn up in the opening..

Lungis work any time--tents, shelters, hammocks, pool-side...  I've a
little bit of a tutorial here:
<http://megaview.com.tw/~caralin/hiking/lungi/lungi.html>.

> 4.) Back to being cold.... seemed like more "fresh air" than I ............
> Maybe pitch the tarp lower? (I had it on a separate ridgeline about 6" above
> the hammock ridgeline.)
>
> The idea in cold weather is to keep the wind and cold out by pitching the
> tarp close into your hammock.

Check out Sgt. Rock's review of Hennesseys:
<http://hikinghq.net/hammock/hammock3.html#Tip%201>
and hammocking <http://hikinghq.net/hammock/hammock.html>.
He describes how he set up his Hennessey to weather a hurricane here:
<http://hikinghq.net/hammock/hammock2.html#Storm%20Set%20Up>.

I've also found this website extremely helpful:
<http://www.theplacewithnoname.com/hiking/sections/gear/shelter/whyhammock.htm>.
It's a great pity that Shane Steinkemp's thorough and entertaining
reviews of Hennesseys are no longer online at
<www.backbackgeartest.org>.  Since reviews there expire after about
three years, make your own backup copies of any you find especially
helpful.

CL

EHamilton wrote:
> How about..... this may be crazy.... pitching it so low it really is almost on
the ground, and putting a ThermaRest or Big Agnes on the ground under it, just
like in a tent? The ground actually does provide some warmth, in the "bridge
freezes before road" mechanism.

It's not too crazy.  Somewhere on some of the hammocking sites, are
suggestions to pile up leaves.  One guy snow camping, dug out a hole
into which he hung his hammock.  This way, the snow blocked the wind.
His tarp was anchored down in the snow on the edge of the hole.

CL

After I tie off the figure 8s, if I'm are using that style, I frequently lay
down in the hammock or set on it, then retighten the line. I've gone to
modified Figure 9s though so that isn't a problem anymore. One thing I did
run into though was the large Nite Ize Figure 9 gives me such a mechanical
advantage that I actually got the hammock too tight and broke the center
line.

I hang mine about head height and use 10'x2" polypropylene webbing as tree
huggers. They have aluminum haul rings sewn into each end so everything
draws up smoothly with little effort.

Jerry

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On Behalf Of Ralph Oborn
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 21:08
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Back with questions

MacGyver, desperately trying mentally to fix this with duct tape, a Swiss
Army knife, and a few paper clips....




Practice makes perfect, but practice when there is no stress to get it done
quick.

Find some trees at a park 10 to 20 feet apart. or a church or a school, or
nearby woods.

Practice there in the daylight, experiment with different sag angles,
different tree wrap heights etc.

You will attract an audience.  :]

Climb in, wiggle, sit up, bring a book, take a nap.

After a dozen or so experiments (most will be failures) you will find out
what works best for you and your individual hammock.

Just as I can't tell you how tight to tie your shoes, or how to pack your
pack, I really can't explain how I know to hang my hammock.


Remember one of the purposes of a hammock is to reduce stress. :]

Ralph


beneath stars I float
a dream in the forest night
wakes to spring morning

---
André


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Jerry,

Please explain your modified figure 9s.  Many times, I find tying the
knots around a carabiner is easier (and easier on the webbing) than
tying the knots around the webbing.  This adds the weight of the biners,
though.  I've already had to add weight by using much longer straps,
since some of the trees I hang from have a DBH > 1 m.  Tying figure 8's
is easy, doesn't bind the line into knots (I've spent >20 minutes just
trying to untie an alpine butterfly embedded in the Hennessey spectra),
and save the weight of extra hardware (such as biners and Nite Izes),
but they take time to do and take time to re-do as I adjust the tension
on my hammock.  Often, I end up tying both ends 2-3 times.

CL


Jerry Goller wrote:
> After I tie off the figure 8s, if I'm are using that style, I frequently lay
> down in the hammock or set on it, then retighten the line. I've gone to
> modified Figure 9s though so that isn't a problem anymore. One thing I did
> run into though was the large Nite Ize Figure 9 gives me such a mechanical
> advantage that I actually got the hammock too tight and broke the center
> line.
>

Jerry has gotten me to thinking.
If I could use tree huggers with a biner of some sort in one end and
something like the Jacks are better Tri-glide on it, then I might be
able to tie the hammock to the biners and simply adjust the tree hugger
via the tri glide to set the tension.

Not sure if that made sense, but it looks like I will be playing in the
near future

TV

I just took a rat tailed file and rounded out the V notch on two large Nite Ize
Figure 9s. Instead of looping it once and pulling it tight in the V slot, I loop
it twice around the slot then take a loop over the line and form a knot with it.
It holds very well and all I have to do to release it is pull the loop out of
the knot.

But, like I said, I found I could pull the hammock line too tight and the center
line broke while I was in the hammock bouncing around turning over. That was a
bit of a surprise.....   =o)

I've also found that the Figure 9 set up doesn't require retightening. They only
weigh about an ounce a piece and I'm willing to carry that just for the easy of
set up and added convenience.

Jerry

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Behalf Of Cara Lin Bridgman
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 05:12
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Back with questions

Jerry,

Please explain your modified figure 9s.  Many times, I find tying the
knots around a carabiner is easier (and easier on the webbing) than
tying the knots around the webbing.  This adds the weight of the biners,
though.  I've already had to add weight by using much longer straps,
since some of the trees I hang from have a DBH > 1 m.  Tying figure 8's
is easy, doesn't bind the line into knots (I've spent >20 minutes just
trying to untie an alpine butterfly embedded in the Hennessey spectra),
and save the weight of extra hardware (such as biners and Nite Izes),
but they take time to do and take time to re-do as I adjust the tension
on my hammock.  Often, I end up tying both ends 2-3 times.

CL


Jerry Goller wrote:
> After I tie off the figure 8s, if I'm are using that style, I frequently lay
> down in the hammock or set on it, then retighten the line. I've gone to
> modified Figure 9s though so that isn't a problem anymore. One thing I did
> run into though was the large Nite Ize Figure 9 gives me such a mechanical
> advantage that I actually got the hammock too tight and broke the center
> line.
>


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Do you find they chew up the rope?

That's what I was noticing.


Ralph

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 6:33 AM, Jerry Goller <
jerrygoller@...> wrote:

> I just took a rat tailed file and rounded out the V notch on two large Nite
> Ize Figure 9s. Instead of looping it once and pulling it tight in the V
> slot, I loop it twice around the slot then take a loop over the line and
> form a knot with it. It holds very well and all I have to do to release it
> is pull the loop out of the knot.
>
> But, like I said, I found I could pull the hammock line too tight and the
> center line broke while I was in the hammock bouncing around turning over.
> That was a bit of a surprise.....   =o)
>
> I've also found that the Figure 9 set up doesn't require retightening. They
> only weigh about an ounce a piece and I'm willing to carry that just for the
> easy of set up and added convenience.
>
> Jerry
>
> http://www.backpackgeartest.org/: the most comprehensive interactive gear
> reviews on the planet.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
> hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Lin Bridgman
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>
> Jerry,
>
> Please explain your modified figure 9s.  Many times, I find tying the
> knots around a carabiner is easier (and easier on the webbing) than
> tying the knots around the webbing.  This adds the weight of the biners,
> though.  I've already had to add weight by using much longer straps,
> since some of the trees I hang from have a DBH > 1 m.  Tying figure 8's
> is easy, doesn't bind the line into knots (I've spent >20 minutes just
> trying to untie an alpine butterfly embedded in the Hennessey spectra),
> and save the weight of extra hardware (such as biners and Nite Izes),
> but they take time to do and take time to re-do as I adjust the tension
> on my hammock.  Often, I end up tying both ends 2-3 times.
>
> CL
>
>
> Jerry Goller wrote:
> > After I tie off the figure 8s, if I'm are using that style, I frequently
> lay
> > down in the hammock or set on it, then retighten the line. I've gone to
> > modified Figure 9s though so that isn't a problem anymore. One thing I
> did
> > run into though was the large Nite Ize Figure 9 gives me such a
> mechanical
> > advantage that I actually got the hammock too tight and broke the center
> > line.
> >
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No, not after I rounded out the V slot and cleaned it up. There is no sharp
edges to fray the line. With the rings sewn into the ends of the tree strap
there is nothing to bind anywhere. This is the rings I use:
<http://www.rei.com/product/471123>

Jerry

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From: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Ralph Oborn
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 06:44
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Back with questions

Do you find they chew up the rope?

That's what I was noticing.


Ralph

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 6:33 AM, Jerry Goller <
jerrygoller@...> wrote:

> I just took a rat tailed file and rounded out the V notch on two large
Nite
> Ize Figure 9s. Instead of looping it once and pulling it tight in the V
> slot, I loop it twice around the slot then take a loop over the line and
> form a knot with it. It holds very well and all I have to do to release it
> is pull the loop out of the knot.
>
> But, like I said, I found I could pull the hammock line too tight and the
> center line broke while I was in the hammock bouncing around turning over.
> That was a bit of a surprise.....   =o)
>
> I've also found that the Figure 9 set up doesn't require retightening.
They
> only weigh about an ounce a piece and I'm willing to carry that just for
the
> easy of set up and added convenience.
>
> Jerry
>
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> From: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
> hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Lin Bridgman
> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 05:12
> To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Back with questions
>
> Jerry,
>
> Please explain your modified figure 9s.  Many times, I find tying the
> knots around a carabiner is easier (and easier on the webbing) than
> tying the knots around the webbing.  This adds the weight of the biners,
> though.  I've already had to add weight by using much longer straps,
> since some of the trees I hang from have a DBH > 1 m.  Tying figure 8's
> is easy, doesn't bind the line into knots (I've spent >20 minutes just
> trying to untie an alpine butterfly embedded in the Hennessey spectra),
> and save the weight of extra hardware (such as biners and Nite Izes),
> but they take time to do and take time to re-do as I adjust the tension
> on my hammock.  Often, I end up tying both ends 2-3 times.
>
> CL
>
>
> Jerry Goller wrote:
> > After I tie off the figure 8s, if I'm are using that style, I frequently
> lay
> > down in the hammock or set on it, then retighten the line. I've gone to
> > modified Figure 9s though so that isn't a problem anymore. One thing I
> did
> > run into though was the large Nite Ize Figure 9 gives me such a
> mechanical
> > advantage that I actually got the hammock too tight and broke the center
> > line.
> >
>
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CaraLin

Thanks for posting the url "how to wear a lungi" for MacGyver.....I'd just
written to her that you'd answered that same question for me several years ago
and I'd try to hunt up the pictures you sent....great site.  I love my lungi.
What a great addition to my camping gear.

Rosie/mdhiker

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Isn't a lungi like a giant buff that you can climb into?

;->

Carey

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Rosalind Suit <rosalind.suit@...>wrote:

>
>
> CaraLin
>
> Thanks for posting the url "how to wear a lungi" for MacGyver.....I'd just
> written to her that you'd answered that same question for me several years
> ago and I'd try to hunt up the pictures you sent....great site. I love my
> lungi. What a great addition to my camping gear.
>
> Rosie/mdhiker
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Tx Jerry, Rogene & Ralph.  Guess I've been too busy to keep up on all the
latest new gear.  Now I've got to have one!  It's a disease..Ed



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From: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Jerry Goller
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 7:33 PM
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Hammock Camping] Back with questions





Hey, Ed.

http://tinyurl.com/la2xej It is light, warm, and very compactable. It's got
an R factor of about 2.5. It's good down into the teens, which is as cold as
I am likely to take a hammock.

The set up isn't cheap but I only have to buy it once. I have to sleep in it
every night I'm on the trail.

Jerry

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Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 16:12
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Subject: RE: [Hammock Camping] Back with questions

Jerry that sounds very interesting. What is a NeoAir pad? Everyone is
searching for the ideal solution to hammock warmth & I get a big kick out of
all the innovations & trial & errors going around. I love it when someone
comes across a possibly good solution. Good work...Ed

From: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
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On Behalf Of Jerry Goller
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 5:46 PM
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com <mailto:hammockcamping%40yahoogroups.com>

Subject: RE: [Hammock Camping] Back with questions

That is the same issue I ran into with all the hammocks I tried in cooler
weather. I could make a rig that kept me warm but it was way too heavy. My
final solution was a double bottomed Hennessy and a NeoAir pad. I got the
25" wide pad then taped two 10" x 20" NeoAir pillows they gave away at the
show one year. I'm trying to talk Therm-a-Rest into packaging the same set
up and market it to hammockers.

Jerry
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Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 14:13
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Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Back with questions

It seems like with all these extra underquilts etc. we're packing a lot of
weight here? One reason I wanted to go to a hammock was to go lighter. The
open-cell foam pad that came with the set-up, though, doesn't insulate very
well.

@@@
You are probably cold on your knees and butt. Above the pad but where the
hammock compresses your bag.

Cut a couple of one foot square pad piecies and put them at your knee and
butt. You will be warmer. Before going to bed they work as seatwarmers while
sitting on rocks etc.

Ralph

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