On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:23 AM, boardmanmw <boardmanm@...> wrote:

> Here's my solution:
> Use polypro straps; mine are from Speer, rated at 750 lbs. I like to do the
> strap adjusting from the hammock end of the line, not the tree end.  It's
> more convenient, and you only have to get next to the tree once, avoiding
> the branches, bugs, dew, sap etc.


The ring can also be used for a ridgeline to suspend a rain tarp, bugnet, or
snack pouch.  :]


Ralph


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I would like to see some pictures!  that's sounds like a great solution.

Doug C.

On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:23 AM, boardmanmw <boardmanm@...> wrote:

>
>
> Here's my solution:
> Use polypro straps; mine are from Speer, rated at 750 lbs. I like to do the
> strap adjusting from the hammock end of the line, not the tree end. It's
> more convenient, and you only have to get next to the tree once, avoiding
> the branches, bugs, dew, sap etc.
>
> Sew (or tie) a 3inch loop in the end of your strap. Wrap that end of the
> strap around the tree (twice, if you have enough strap), then run the
> hammock end of the strap thru the loop and snug up against the tree. Done
> with that end, and no knot to worry about. The free end goes to the hammock.
>
> On each end of the hammock I use a 1.5 inch climbers descender ring (0.5 oz
> each). Instead of a Spear style knot in the hammock, I bunch the hammock end
> up, run it thru the ring a couple of inches, lay it over and whip it back on
> the hammock body with mason twine or thin nylon cord (could use the interior
> cords of gutted parachute line). Wrap the whipping tight as possible at
> least 1.5-2.0 inch, or more. The hammock material (assuming you are using
> some lightweight nylon), will lay thru the ring nicely, with no sharp edges
> and good stress distribution on the material. If the whipping is tight, the
> hammock material won't slip back thru the ring. If you're concerned about
> it, melt a small hole thru the bunched hammock material halfway down the
> whipping and run the whip cord thru the hole a couple of times, then
> continue the whipping. The whip cord will cover the hole, and now you've got
> a very positive connection between the hammock material and the whip cord. I
> stand 73 inches and weigh 215, and I've used this for the last 5 years
> without ever a failure. And that's without the thru hole.
>
> So now you have a hammock with descender rings at each end, with your
> hanging straps fixed to the trees--incidently with no overtightened knots at
> the tree end.
>
> To suspend the hammock, just run the strap thru the descender ring, then
> around and back thru the ring, so it goes thru the ring twice. Pull the
> slack thru until you've got the hammock curve you want, then just pull a
> loop of the strap over itself and snug up, like tieing a shoelace. The
> excess strap just hangs down, so it doesn't matter how much extra strap you
> have. When you tension the hammock (ie, get in)your weight pulls the knot up
> against the descender ring, and it won't slip, even if wet. If you only ran
> the strap thru the ring once, it might slip, but with two wraps thru the
> ring, the stress is on the wraps, not the knot. It holds with no slip, yet
> it's fully adjustable until you tie the slip knot.
>
> To disassemble, just hold the hammock in one hand, grab the free end of the
> strap and give it a good pull to undo the slip knot. If it's really tight,
> you might need to waggle the free end back and forth a time or two, but it
> will come loose easily, guaranteed. I've never had this system jam on me, or
> come loose when I didn't want it to. Then you just recover the two straps,
> roll 'em up and stash in the stow bag with the hammock itself.
>
> Best of all, it's easy to adjust the hang of the hammock to exactly the
> curve you want. Inevitably, I tie up, get in to test it, then want to tweak
> the curve a little. This system makes it really easy, since you're working
> at each end of the hammock, rather than all the way back at the tree ends.
>
> This is the ring I use: http://www.rei.com/product/471123 ,
> but you could use any qualified ring or a carabiner that's rated for the
> weight. These are cheap ($2.90 each at REI), compact and above all
> lightweight (0.5 oz). If you are concerned about ring failure, Omega Pacific
> sells a much more robust ring (http://www.rei.com/product/745608), but
> there's a size and weight trade off.
>
> Other advantages: The knot and ring act as water stops; any rain running
> down the strap hits the knot and diverts down the free end of the strap
> that's just hanging down; you don't need to tie a sock or cloth piece to
> prevent water draining down onto the hammock. Second, if you know you're
> headed to an area of very large diameter trees, you can make a second set of
> extra long straps to accomodate. Otherwise, use your shorter standard ones
> (mine are cut at 11 feet to save the extra weight-- and still longer than
> I've ever needed). But I've never hung in the Redwoods... One hammock,
> multiple sets of straps, as needed.
>
> I can post some pictures if there's any interest. Regards to all. Mike
>
> --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com <hammockcamping%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "Steven Bronstein" <steve@...> wrote:
> >
> > The knot Ralph is referring to is sometimes called a Trucker's Hitch and
> , I
> > agree, it is a great solution.
> >
> >
> >
> > One question I have is that when I wrap around the tree twice when you
> pull
> > up on the hitch you then have to adjust the strapping that is cinched
> around
> > the tree to even out the pull and then your hammock adjustment has
> shifted.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I have been trying to come up with a more elegant solution so that you
> can
> > eliminate the fussing. Adding rings at the hammock loop and using a
> > carabiner around the tree works well but adds more weight.
> >
> >
> >
> > I want to be able to pull till the curve in the hammock is correct and
> then
> > tie it off and be done.
> >
> > .
> >
> >
> >
> > Steven Bronstein
> >
> > Blackthorne Forge
> >
> > Marshfield, VT 05658
> >
> > phone/fax 802-426-3369
> >
> > www.blackthorneforge.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>


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OMG. If the opt-in list for this forum has now convinced itself that death
is no longer either in the immediate past or imminent future I think it's
time to move on re: the subject line. You can do a redux on October 31 with
hobgoblins and jack-o-lanterns.



Bob



From: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of boardmanmw
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 12:24 PM
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Hammock Camping] Re: Is this forum dead? (Suspension system)





Here's my solution:
Use polypro straps; mine are from Speer, rated at 750 lbs. I like to do the
strap adjusting from the hammock end of the line, not the tree end. It's
more convenient, and you only have to get next to the tree once, avoiding
the branches, bugs, dew, sap etc.

Sew (or tie) a 3inch loop in the end of your strap. Wrap that end of the
strap around the tree (twice, if you have enough strap), then run the
hammock end of the strap thru the loop and snug up against the tree. Done
with that end, and no knot to worry about. The free end goes to the hammock.

On each end of the hammock I use a 1.5 inch climbers descender ring (0.5 oz
each). Instead of a Spear style knot in the hammock, I bunch the hammock end
up, run it thru the ring a couple of inches, lay it over and whip it back on
the hammock body with mason twine or thin nylon cord (could use the interior
cords of gutted parachute line). Wrap the whipping tight as possible at
least 1.5-2.0 inch, or more. The hammock material (assuming you are using
some lightweight nylon), will lay thru the ring nicely, with no sharp edges
and good stress distribution on the material. If the whipping is tight, the
hammock material won't slip back thru the ring. If you're concerned about
it, melt a small hole thru the bunched hammock material halfway down the
whipping and run the whip cord thru the hole a couple of times, then
continue the whipping. The whip cord will cover the hole, and now you've got
a very positive connection between the hammock material and the whip cord. I
stand 73 inches and weigh 215, and I've used this for the last 5 years
without ever a failure. And that's without the thru hole.

So now you have a hammock with descender rings at each end, with your
hanging straps fixed to the trees--incidently with no overtightened knots at
the tree end.

To suspend the hammock, just run the strap thru the descender ring, then
around and back thru the ring, so it goes thru the ring twice. Pull the
slack thru until you've got the hammock curve you want, then just pull a
loop of the strap over itself and snug up, like tieing a shoelace. The
excess strap just hangs down, so it doesn't matter how much extra strap you
have. When you tension the hammock (ie, get in)your weight pulls the knot up
against the descender ring, and it won't slip, even if wet. If you only ran
the strap thru the ring once, it might slip, but with two wraps thru the
ring, the stress is on the wraps, not the knot. It holds with no slip, yet
it's fully adjustable until you tie the slip knot.

To disassemble, just hold the hammock in one hand, grab the free end of the
strap and give it a good pull to undo the slip knot. If it's really tight,
you might need to waggle the free end back and forth a time or two, but it
will come loose easily, guaranteed. I've never had this system jam on me, or
come loose when I didn't want it to. Then you just recover the two straps,
roll 'em up and stash in the stow bag with the hammock itself.

Best of all, it's easy to adjust the hang of the hammock to exactly the
curve you want. Inevitably, I tie up, get in to test it, then want to tweak
the curve a little. This system makes it really easy, since you're working
at each end of the hammock, rather than all the way back at the tree ends.

This is the ring I use: http://www.rei.com/product/471123 ,
but you could use any qualified ring or a carabiner that's rated for the
weight. These are cheap ($2.90 each at REI), compact and above all
lightweight (0.5 oz). If you are concerned about ring failure, Omega Pacific
sells a much more robust ring (http://www.rei.com/product/745608), but
there's a size and weight trade off.

Other advantages: The knot and ring act as water stops; any rain running
down the strap hits the knot and diverts down the free end of the strap
that's just hanging down; you don't need to tie a sock or cloth piece to
prevent water draining down onto the hammock. Second, if you know you're
headed to an area of very large diameter trees, you can make a second set of
extra long straps to accomodate. Otherwise, use your shorter standard ones
(mine are cut at 11 feet to save the extra weight-- and still longer than
I've ever needed). But I've never hung in the Redwoods... One hammock,
multiple sets of straps, as needed.

I can post some pictures if there's any interest. Regards to all. Mike

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:hammockcamping%40yahoogroups.com> , "Steven Bronstein" <steve@...>
wrote:
>
> The knot Ralph is referring to is sometimes called a Trucker's Hitch and ,
I
> agree, it is a great solution.
>
>
>
> One question I have is that when I wrap around the tree twice when you
pull
> up on the hitch you then have to adjust the strapping that is cinched
around
> the tree to even out the pull and then your hammock adjustment has
shifted.
>
>
>
>
>
> I have been trying to come up with a more elegant solution so that you can
> eliminate the fussing. Adding rings at the hammock loop and using a
> carabiner around the tree works well but adds more weight.
>
>
>
> I want to be able to pull till the curve in the hammock is correct and
then
> tie it off and be done.
>
> .
>
>
>
> Steven Bronstein
>
> Blackthorne Forge
>
> Marshfield, VT 05658
>
> phone/fax 802-426-3369
>
> www.blackthorneforge.com
>
>
>
>





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Lance,
I have created a photo album called "Dog Hammock" with a couple of images.  My
first and only prototype for this hammock was a piece of cheap fabric about 4' x
5'.  I gathered one end (a la E. Speer) and gathered each corner at the other
end.  Both ends attached to the ends of my hammock ropes where they met my
structural ridge line.  At the end with two lines (from the corners) I added a
side tie-out to one corner to keep the hammock open.  The result was a
triangular dog hammock hanging under mine.  Then I coaxed Bonaparte into it, but
I hung it low enough that his weight pressed the center of the hammock all the
way to the ground (with his ensolite pad underneath it.)  In this way he got
used to the fabric pulling up around him, but didn't experience the unsteadiness
of a swinging hammock.  Over the course of that trip (a week in Dolly Sods
Wilderness) I tightened the ropes a bit each day, so he began to get the feel of
the hammock.  When he would step into an elevated, unsteady hammock and lie down
on command, we stopped the training until I could make a better hammock.  When
the pictured hammock was finished, we started over in the back yard.  He still
doesn't like the motion but he prefers to sleep under my hammock, and he knows
where his next meal is coming from.
David

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Pardon me, anyone, but I just wanted to throw out a completely unrelated
question for anybody who has experience with both the Hennessy asymetrical cut
hammock design, and the Clark Jungle Hammock systems (I'm looking at the North
American, and NX models). 

Just how much flatter sleep position is attainable with the asymetrical hennesy
over the Clark hammocks.  It seems to me that the Clark hammocks are also a
little different than a standard rectangular cut, but whether they are or not,
I'd like to gather all the experience there is out there as to whether, and how
much of a difference it makes.  I like the Clarks pocket system and new
insulation, and I would like to get as flat a sleep position as possible.

Thanks in advance for taking time to pass on your experience.
John

--- On Tue, 9/22/09, David and Barbara Elliott <delliott78@...>
wrote:

From: David and Barbara Elliott <delliott78@...>
Subject: [Hammock Camping] Re: Cold weather, warm dog
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 12:22 PM






 





                   Lance,

I have created a photo album called "Dog Hammock" with a couple of images.  My
first and only prototype for this hammock was a piece of cheap fabric about 4' x
5'.  I gathered one end (a la E. Speer) and gathered each corner at the other
end.  Both ends attached to the ends of my hammock ropes where they met my
structural ridge line.  At the end with two lines (from the corners) I added a
side tie-out to one corner to keep the hammock open.  The result was a
triangular dog hammock hanging under mine.  Then I coaxed Bonaparte into it, but
I hung it low enough that his weight pressed the center of the hammock all the
way to the ground (with his ensolite pad underneath it.)  In this way he got
used to the fabric pulling up around him, but didn't experience the unsteadiness
of a swinging hammock.  Over the course of that trip (a week in Dolly Sods
Wilderness) I tightened the ropes a bit each day, so he began to get the feel of
the hammock.  When he would
  step into an elevated, unsteady hammock and lie down on command, we stopped the
training until I could make a better hammock.  When the pictured hammock was
finished, we started over in the back yard.  He still doesn't like the motion
but he prefers to sleep under my hammock, and he knows where his next meal is
coming from.

David



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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Pardon me, anyone, but I just wanted to ask if anybody has experience with both
the Hennessy asymetrical cut hammock design, and the Clark Jungle
Hammock systems (I'm looking at the North American, and NX models).  I've not
been in either, but I do sleep in a Hammock Bliss hammock with sewn in bug
netting, and I've experimented with different kinds of insulation.

My question, for anyone with personal experience, is just
how much flatter sleep position is attainable with the asymetrical
Hennesy design over the Clark hammocks?  It seems to me that the Clark
hammocks are also a little different than a standard rectangular cut,
but whether they are or not, I'd like to gather all the experience
there is out there as to whether, and how much of a difference it
makes.  I like the Clarks pocket system and new insulation, and I would like to
get as flat a sleep position as possible.  Sleeping diagonally now, I find that
probably the lack of support under the knee of an extended leg is the biggest
discomfort, other than the challenge regarding finding good lightweight
under-insulation system..  I really like the Clark, and I'm leaning that way,
but if the Hennesy sleep position is really a dramatic improvement, I might go
Hennesy, and keep working on the under insulation system.

Thanks in advance for taking time to pass on your
  experience.




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Bob ... don't be a party pooper!

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Robert Gochicoa
   To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 1:26 PM
   Subject: [Hammock Camping] time to move on


     OMG. If the opt-in list for this forum has now convinced itself that death
   is no longer either in the immediate past or imminent future I think it's
   time to move on re: the subject line. You can do a redux on October 31 with
   hobgoblins and jack-o-lanterns.

   Bob

   From: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com]
   On Behalf Of boardmanmw
   Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 12:24 PM
   To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: [Hammock Camping] Re: Is this forum dead? (Suspension system)

   Here's my solution:
   Use polypro straps; mine are from Speer, rated at 750 lbs. I like to do the
   strap adjusting from the hammock end of the line, not the tree end. It's
   more convenient, and you only have to get next to the tree once, avoiding
   the branches, bugs, dew, sap etc.

   Sew (or tie) a 3inch loop in the end of your strap. Wrap that end of the
   strap around the tree (twice, if you have enough strap), then run the
   hammock end of the strap thru the loop and snug up against the tree. Done
   with that end, and no knot to worry about. The free end goes to the hammock.

   On each end of the hammock I use a 1.5 inch climbers descender ring (0.5 oz
   each). Instead of a Spear style knot in the hammock, I bunch the hammock end
   up, run it thru the ring a couple of inches, lay it over and whip it back on
   the hammock body with mason twine or thin nylon cord (could use the interior
   cords of gutted parachute line). Wrap the whipping tight as possible at
   least 1.5-2.0 inch, or more. The hammock material (assuming you are using
   some lightweight nylon), will lay thru the ring nicely, with no sharp edges
   and good stress distribution on the material. If the whipping is tight, the
   hammock material won't slip back thru the ring. If you're concerned about
   it, melt a small hole thru the bunched hammock material halfway down the
   whipping and run the whip cord thru the hole a couple of times, then
   continue the whipping. The whip cord will cover the hole, and now you've got
   a very positive connection between the hammock material and the whip cord. I
   stand 73 inches and weigh 215, and I've used this for the last 5 years
   without ever a failure. And that's without the thru hole.

   So now you have a hammock with descender rings at each end, with your
   hanging straps fixed to the trees--incidently with no overtightened knots at
   the tree end.

   To suspend the hammock, just run the strap thru the descender ring, then
   around and back thru the ring, so it goes thru the ring twice. Pull the
   slack thru until you've got the hammock curve you want, then just pull a
   loop of the strap over itself and snug up, like tieing a shoelace. The
   excess strap just hangs down, so it doesn't matter how much extra strap you
   have. When you tension the hammock (ie, get in)your weight pulls the knot up
   against the descender ring, and it won't slip, even if wet. If you only ran
   the strap thru the ring once, it might slip, but with two wraps thru the
   ring, the stress is on the wraps, not the knot. It holds with no slip, yet
   it's fully adjustable until you tie the slip knot.

   To disassemble, just hold the hammock in one hand, grab the free end of the
   strap and give it a good pull to undo the slip knot. If it's really tight,
   you might need to waggle the free end back and forth a time or two, but it
   will come loose easily, guaranteed. I've never had this system jam on me, or
   come loose when I didn't want it to. Then you just recover the two straps,
   roll 'em up and stash in the stow bag with the hammock itself.

   Best of all, it's easy to adjust the hang of the hammock to exactly the
   curve you want. Inevitably, I tie up, get in to test it, then want to tweak
   the curve a little. This system makes it really easy, since you're working
   at each end of the hammock, rather than all the way back at the tree ends.

   This is the ring I use: http://www.rei.com/product/471123 ,
   but you could use any qualified ring or a carabiner that's rated for the
   weight. These are cheap ($2.90 each at REI), compact and above all
   lightweight (0.5 oz). If you are concerned about ring failure, Omega Pacific
   sells a much more robust ring (http://www.rei.com/product/745608), but
   there's a size and weight trade off.

   Other advantages: The knot and ring act as water stops; any rain running
   down the strap hits the knot and diverts down the free end of the strap
   that's just hanging down; you don't need to tie a sock or cloth piece to
   prevent water draining down onto the hammock. Second, if you know you're
   headed to an area of very large diameter trees, you can make a second set of
   extra long straps to accomodate. Otherwise, use your shorter standard ones
   (mine are cut at 11 feet to save the extra weight-- and still longer than
   I've ever needed). But I've never hung in the Redwoods... One hammock,
   multiple sets of straps, as needed.

   I can post some pictures if there's any interest. Regards to all. Mike

   --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
   <mailto:hammockcamping%40yahoogroups.com> , "Steven Bronstein" <steve@...>
   wrote:
   >
   > The knot Ralph is referring to is sometimes called a Trucker's Hitch and ,
   I
   > agree, it is a great solution.
   >
   >
   >
   > One question I have is that when I wrap around the tree twice when you
   pull
   > up on the hitch you then have to adjust the strapping that is cinched
   around
   > the tree to even out the pull and then your hammock adjustment has
   shifted.
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   > I have been trying to come up with a more elegant solution so that you can
   > eliminate the fussing. Adding rings at the hammock loop and using a
   > carabiner around the tree works well but adds more weight.
   >
   >
   >
   > I want to be able to pull till the curve in the hammock is correct and
   then
   > tie it off and be done.
   >
   > .
   >
   >
   >
   > Steven Bronstein
   >
   > Blackthorne Forge
   >
   > Marshfield, VT 05658
   >
   > phone/fax 802-426-3369
   >
   > www.blackthorneforge.com
   >
   >
   >
   >

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Now that is funny!!!!

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outdoor adventure
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On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 1:26 PM , Robert Gochicoa wrote:

     OMG. If the opt-in list for this forum has now convinced itself that
death
is no longer either in the immediate past or imminent future I think
it's
time to move on re: the subject line. You can do a redux on October 31
with
hobgoblins and jack-o-lanterns.

Bob

  From: hammockcamping@ yahoogroups. com
<mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com> [mailto: hammockcamping@
yahoogroups. com <mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf Of boardmanmw
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 12:24 PM
To: hammockcamping@ yahoogroups. com
<mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Hammock Camping] Re: Is this forum dead? (Suspension system)

Here's my solution:
Use polypro straps; mine are from Speer, rated at 750 lbs. I like to do
the
strap adjusting from the hammock end of the line, not the tree end. It's
more convenient, and you only have to get next to the tree once,
avoiding
the branches, bugs, dew, sap etc.

Sew (or tie) a 3inch loop in the end of your strap. Wrap that end of the
strap around the tree (twice, if you have enough strap), then run the
hammock end of the strap thru the loop and snug up against the tree.
Done
with that end, and no knot to worry about. The free end goes to the
hammock.

On each end of the hammock I use a 1.5 inch climbers descender ring (0.5
oz
each). Instead of a Spear style knot in the hammock, I bunch the hammock
end
up, run it thru the ring a couple of inches, lay it over and whip it
back on
the hammock body with mason twine or thin nylon cord (could use the
interior
cords of gutted parachute line). Wrap the whipping tight as possible at
least 1.5-2.0 inch, or more. The hammock material (assuming you are
using
some lightweight nylon), will lay thru the ring nicely, with no sharp
edges
and good stress distribution on the material. If the whipping is tight,
the
hammock material won't slip back thru the ring. If you're concerned
about
it, melt a small hole thru the bunched hammock material halfway down the
whipping and run the whip cord thru the hole a couple of times, then
continue the whipping. The whip cord will cover the hole, and now you've
got
a very positive connection between the hammock material and the whip
cord. I
stand 73 inches and weigh 215, and I've used this for the last 5 years
without ever a failure. And that's without the thru hole.

So now you have a hammock with descender rings at each end, with your
hanging straps fixed to the trees--incidently with no overtightened
knots at
the tree end.

To suspend the hammock, just run the strap thru the descender ring, then
around and back thru the ring, so it goes thru the ring twice. Pull the
slack thru until you've got the hammock curve you want, then just pull a
loop of the strap over itself and snug up, like tieing a shoelace. The
excess strap just hangs down, so it doesn't matter how much extra strap
you
have. When you tension the hammock (ie, get in)your weight pulls the
knot up
against the descender ring, and it won't slip, even if wet. If you only
ran
the strap thru the ring once, it might slip, but with two wraps thru the
ring, the stress is on the wraps, not the knot. It holds with no slip,
yet
it's fully adjustable until you tie the slip knot.

To disassemble, just hold the hammock in one hand, grab the free end of
the
strap and give it a good pull to undo the slip knot. If it's really
tight,
you might need to waggle the free end back and forth a time or two, but
it
will come loose easily, guaranteed. I've never had this system jam on
me, or
come loose when I didn't want it to. Then you just recover the two
straps,
roll 'em up and stash in the stow bag with the hammock itself.

Best of all, it's easy to adjust the hang of the hammock to exactly the
curve you want. Inevitably, I tie up, get in to test it, then want to
tweak
the curve a little. This system makes it really easy, since you're
working
at each end of the hammock, rather than all the way back at the tree
ends.

This is the ring I use: http://www.rei. com/product/ 471123
<http://www.rei.com/product/471123> ,
but you could use any qualified ring or a carabiner that's rated for the
weight. These are cheap ($2.90 each at REI), compact and above all
lightweight (0.5 oz). If you are concerned about ring failure, Omega
Pacific
sells a much more robust ring ( http://www.rei. com/product/ 745608
<http://www.rei.com/product/745608> ), but
there's a size and weight trade off.

Other advantages: The knot and ring act as water stops; any rain running
down the strap hits the knot and diverts down the free end of the strap
that's just hanging down; you don't need to tie a sock or cloth piece to
prevent water draining down onto the hammock. Second, if you know you're
headed to an area of very large diameter trees, you can make a second
set of
extra long straps to accomodate. Otherwise, use your shorter standard
ones
(mine are cut at 11 feet to save the extra weight-- and still longer
than
I've ever needed). But I've never hung in the Redwoods... One hammock,
multiple sets of straps, as needed.

I can post some pictures if there's any interest. Regards to all. Mike

--- In hammockcamping@ yahoogroups. com
<mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:hammockcamp ing%40yahoogroup s.com> , "Steven Bronstein"
<steve@...>
wrote:
>
> The knot Ralph is referring to is sometimes called a Trucker's Hitch
> and ,
I
> agree, it is a great solution.
>
>
> One question I have is that when I wrap around the tree twice when you
pull
> up on the hitch you then have to adjust the strapping that is cinched
around
> the tree to even out the pull and then your hammock adjustment has
shifted.
>
>
>
>
>
> I have been trying to come up with a more elegant solution so that you
> can eliminate the fussing. Adding rings at the hammock loop and using
> a carabiner around the tree works well but adds more weight.
>
>
> I want to be able to pull till the curve in the hammock is correct and
then
> tie it off and be done.
> .
>
>
> Steven Bronstein
> Blackthorne Forge
> Marshfield, VT 05658
> phone/fax 802-426-3369
> www.blackthorneforg e.com
>
>
>

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HELLO ALL !!!!! my name is george[gumby]cole ,I live in Mebane NC 27302.I
use a surplus hammock w/1" [2] 20' straps[just can't always find tree's at
12-15' LOL.I also carry [2] 200'coils of rope[not for climbing],that with
some knots,allow me plenty of room from others[I tend to wake up BEAR'S]
!!!!! this all fits in my kayak hatch,and doesn't cause probs in or uot .
later gumby/zenkayaker,and part time social terrorist[heh heh heh] [?]
enjoy your days&remember your nites, move or die ,the only
easyday,was,yesterday


On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Robert Gochicoa <rgochicoa@...>wrote:

>
>
> OMG. If the opt-in list for this forum has now convinced itself that death
> is no longer either in the immediate past or imminent future I think it's
> time to move on re: the subject line. You can do a redux on October 31 with
> hobgoblins and jack-o-lanterns.
>
> Bob
>
> From: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
<hammockcamping%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:
> hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com <hammockcamping%40yahoogroups.com>]
> On Behalf Of boardmanmw
> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 12:24 PM
> To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com <hammockcamping%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Hammock Camping] Re: Is this forum dead? (Suspension system)
>
> Here's my solution:
> Use polypro straps; mine are from Speer, rated at 750 lbs. I like to do the
> strap adjusting from the hammock end of the line, not the tree end. It's
> more convenient, and you only have to get next to the tree once, avoiding
> the branches, bugs, dew, sap etc.
>
> Sew (or tie) a 3inch loop in the end of your strap. Wrap that end of the
> strap around the tree (twice, if you have enough strap), then run the
> hammock end of the strap thru the loop and snug up against the tree. Done
> with that end, and no knot to worry about. The free end goes to the
> hammock.
>
> On each end of the hammock I use a 1.5 inch climbers descender ring (0.5 oz
> each). Instead of a Spear style knot in the hammock, I bunch the hammock
> end
> up, run it thru the ring a couple of inches, lay it over and whip it back
> on
> the hammock body with mason twine or thin nylon cord (could use the
> interior
> cords of gutted parachute line). Wrap the whipping tight as possible at
> least 1.5-2.0 inch, or more. The hammock material (assuming you are using
> some lightweight nylon), will lay thru the ring nicely, with no sharp edges
> and good stress distribution on the material. If the whipping is tight, the
> hammock material won't slip back thru the ring. If you're concerned about
> it, melt a small hole thru the bunched hammock material halfway down the
> whipping and run the whip cord thru the hole a couple of times, then
> continue the whipping. The whip cord will cover the hole, and now you've
> got
> a very positive connection between the hammock material and the whip cord.
> I
> stand 73 inches and weigh 215, and I've used this for the last 5 years
> without ever a failure. And that's without the thru hole.
>
> So now you have a hammock with descender rings at each end, with your
> hanging straps fixed to the trees--incidently with no overtightened knots
> at
> the tree end.
>
> To suspend the hammock, just run the strap thru the descender ring, then
> around and back thru the ring, so it goes thru the ring twice. Pull the
> slack thru until you've got the hammock curve you want, then just pull a
> loop of the strap over itself and snug up, like tieing a shoelace. The
> excess strap just hangs down, so it doesn't matter how much extra strap you
> have. When you tension the hammock (ie, get in)your weight pulls the knot
> up
> against the descender ring, and it won't slip, even if wet. If you only ran
> the strap thru the ring once, it might slip, but with two wraps thru the
> ring, the stress is on the wraps, not the knot. It holds with no slip, yet
> it's fully adjustable until you tie the slip knot.
>
> To disassemble, just hold the hammock in one hand, grab the free end of the
> strap and give it a good pull to undo the slip knot. If it's really tight,
> you might need to waggle the free end back and forth a time or two, but it
> will come loose easily, guaranteed. I've never had this system jam on me,
> or
> come loose when I didn't want it to. Then you just recover the two straps,
> roll 'em up and stash in the stow bag with the hammock itself.
>
> Best of all, it's easy to adjust the hang of the hammock to exactly the
> curve you want. Inevitably, I tie up, get in to test it, then want to tweak
> the curve a little. This system makes it really easy, since you're working
> at each end of the hammock, rather than all the way back at the tree ends.
>
> This is the ring I use: http://www.rei.com/product/471123 ,
> but you could use any qualified ring or a carabiner that's rated for the
> weight. These are cheap ($2.90 each at REI), compact and above all
> lightweight (0.5 oz). If you are concerned about ring failure, Omega
> Pacific
> sells a much more robust ring (http://www.rei.com/product/745608), but
> there's a size and weight trade off.
>
> Other advantages: The knot and ring act as water stops; any rain running
> down the strap hits the knot and diverts down the free end of the strap
> that's just hanging down; you don't need to tie a sock or cloth piece to
> prevent water draining down onto the hammock. Second, if you know you're
> headed to an area of very large diameter trees, you can make a second set
> of
> extra long straps to accomodate. Otherwise, use your shorter standard ones
> (mine are cut at 11 feet to save the extra weight-- and still longer than
> I've ever needed). But I've never hung in the Redwoods... One hammock,
> multiple sets of straps, as needed.
>
> I can post some pictures if there's any interest. Regards to all. Mike
>
> --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com <hammockcamping%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:hammockcamping%40yahoogroups.com<hammockcamping%2540yahoogroups.com>>
> , "Steven Bronstein" <steve@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > The knot Ralph is referring to is sometimes called a Trucker's Hitch and
> ,
> I
> > agree, it is a great solution.
> >
> >
> >
> > One question I have is that when I wrap around the tree twice when you
> pull
> > up on the hitch you then have to adjust the strapping that is cinched
> around
> > the tree to even out the pull and then your hammock adjustment has
> shifted.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I have been trying to come up with a more elegant solution so that you
> can
> > eliminate the fussing. Adding rings at the hammock loop and using a
> > carabiner around the tree works well but adds more weight.
> >
> >
> >
> > I want to be able to pull till the curve in the hammock is correct and
> then
> > tie it off and be done.
> >
> > .
> >
> >
> >
> > Steven Bronstein
> >
> > Blackthorne Forge
> >
> > Marshfield, VT 05658
> >
> > phone/fax 802-426-3369
> >
> > www.blackthorneforge.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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Will the upcoming cuts in salary and benefits, I'm trying to sell my house (have
potential buyers)...so, who knows, maybe I'll be able to retire in the not too
distant future...

I have a new Aliner (A-frame popup camper) and plan to do more traveling.

sandy in miami

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Speer" <ed@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Sandy, it sure has been quite here lately, but we're not dead.  It's
> probably my fault since I simply don't have as much time as I'd like.  There
> have been a lot of new members lately, but they obviously don't feel
> comfortable enough to post yet.  So the interest in hammock camping
> continues to grow rapidly.  Today, I'm packing for our September Hang at Hot
> Springs this weekend.  Even with the rain, we expect 40-50 people.  Hope you
> can make it someday
>
>
>
> Speer Hammocks Inc
>
> Quality Hammocks for Adventure Camping
>
> 3947 Mudcut Rd
>
> Marion, NC 28752
>
> 828.724.4444
>
> www.SpeerHammocks.com
>
> info@...
>
>
>
>
>
> From: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of sandykayak
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:53 PM
> To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: {Disarmed} [Hammock Camping] Is this forum dead?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi, I've been checking and there doesn't seem to be much conversing going on
> here.
>
> Is everyone over at the other forum, which I haven't saved to favorites?!!
>
> sandy kramer
> miami
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I have a gazillion Favorites (URLS/forums etc) on my work computer.

Is there a quick and easy way to copy them to a list so I could say, email it to
myself, and then add to the home computer.

or even be able to print out the list?

thanks

sandy kramer




--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, Richard Perlman <richard@...> wrote:
>
> I knew that/ www.hammockforums.net  /would have significant impact on
> this list.  I was disappointed when it was announced.
>
> I, too, always prefer the email lists over the web based forums.  It
> shows up in my mailbox.  Done.  I set up filters for each list I'm on so
> they go right into their little home.
>
> I'm on backpackinglight@yahoogroups, but rarely go to the
> backpackinglight.com forums.  It takes too long to check all the threads.
>
> Oh well.  And yes, I, too, have scores of archived gems from all the
> groups I'm on.
>
> Rich
>
> Cara Lin Bridgman wrote:
> > The chatter dropped off almost completely in 2007 with the creation of
> > the first online forum.  I suppose people like that method because it is
> > easier to follow threads and can include pictures.  I've always
> > preferred this format, because I get the emails and don't have to go
> > online to answer.  The email version also makes it easy for me to
> > archive the occasional gem.
> >
> > CL
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I've had my chihuahua with me for afternoon snoozes but have never heard of a
dog in a solo hammock...I've heard of a bear in a hammock


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rxNJPR94u0

which led me to a bear on a trampoline!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pa1pIO4_lUY&NR=1

Sorry, I know this is going OT, but at least we've livened up the forum a bit.

sandy in miami




--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "d2aisy2000" <delliott78@...> wrote:
>
> My current backpacking dog doesn't have a thick coat, and I'm not wild about
having a cold, wet dog join me in the hammock, so I made an insulated dog
hammock that hangs below mine.  I found I needed tie-outs on both sides to keep
it from moving as he steps into it, but otherwise it has proven pretty
successful.  (When I met Ed at Traildays, I recall he said he'd been asked for a
solution to the problem of poorly-insulated dogs before.)  The insulation is
patterned after the method I devised for my own hammock: a hybrid of Climashield
and down.  The climashield is quilted to the bottom cover and has baffles that
are held against the underside of the hammock by shock cords.  The down is held
in place by the baffles, but can be shifted by loosening the shock cords.  Two
aspects of this plan need careful consideration. (1) The bottom cover needs to
be the right shape to hang close to the hammock (although the elastic baffles
help correct for small gaps), and (2) the dog needs to be introduced to the
hammock with great sensitivity.  Mine was already used to sleeping on a pad
under my hammock, so I hung his hammock very loosely so it lay directly on the
pad. As he got used to it, I started tightening up the end ropes a little bit at
a time, over a course of a week or more.  Eventually his hammock was high enough
that when he stepped into it, it didn't make contact with the ground. Side
tie-outs are essential at this point so the hammock doesn't move away from him
when he first puts his foot down.
> Credits: Thanks to JustJeff for sharing notes on his "bag of feathers"
> and also his aversion to feeling baffles sewn directly to his hammock. Also to
whoever posted info on Karo step baffles for quilts.
> Big thanks to Bonaparte (the dog) who carries 15 pounds on all my outings.
> David
>

I need these forums (I belong to several) to live vicariously tru other people's
endeavors while I am stuck in the office :)

sandy in miami

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, Kathy Preble <chair_back_mt@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Sandy, Been wondering the same myself...they must all be over at
www.hammockforums.net
> I came in here just to have an area to discuss the use of hammocks more than
the techy issues of making, using, hanging etc. Real day to day use on the
trails or while camping.
> I use a hammock and wanted to know if anyone had used one on the Grand
Enchantment trail in AZ to NM. If any use them at home on a regular basis, stuff
like that. You?
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: sandykayak <sandykayak@...>
> To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:52:56 PM
> Subject: [Hammock Camping] Is this forum dead?
>
>  
>
> Hi, I've been checking and there doesn't seem to be much conversing going on
here.
>
> Is everyone over at the other forum, which I haven't saved to favorites?!!
>
> sandy kramer
> miami
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I'm always looking for the perfect hammock/tent combo.  Is there such a thing? 
It's easy to take a hammock and a tent when kayak camping.

sandy in miami

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "quantum72000" <quantum7@...> wrote:
>
> I recently saw a friend's camping hammock and immediately went out and bought
one. I lived in Seattle, so a hammock seemed perfect for the kind of backpacking
I was used toâ€"dense forests and mountain streams.
>
> However, last week I moved to San Diego. In my excitement I didn't think very
much about what the geography down here would be like. Now that I've arrived I
am painfully aware that most of the terrain here consists of sage brush and
windy flats.
>
> Has anyone spent time hiking down here? My first impression is that maybe I
should swap the hammock for a microlight tent, but maybe there are enough
scattered trees to find somewhere to put up a hammock? If anyone has used a
hammock down in this region I would be greatly heartened.
>
> -Spencer
>

Ed's email got me thinking...  Are the other group hangs?  I'd love to go
hammocking with a group in the New England area.  I'm new to hammock camping and
have only been out a few times.  There's lot for me to learn still and
experienced folks would certainly be a great help. (Plus, it would be fun!)
-Jody
>
> --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Speer" <ed@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Sandy, it sure has been quite here lately, but we're not dead.  It's
> > probably my fault since I simply don't have as much time as I'd like.  There
> > have been a lot of new members lately, but they obviously don't feel
> > comfortable enough to post yet.  So the interest in hammock camping
> > continues to grow rapidly.  Today, I'm packing for our September Hang at Hot
> > Springs this weekend.  Even with the rain, we expect 40-50 people.  Hope you
> > can make it someday
> >
> >
> >
> > Speer Hammocks Inc
> >
> > Quality Hammocks for Adventure Camping
> >
> > 3947 Mudcut Rd
> >
> > Marion, NC 28752
> >
> > 828.724.4444
> >
> > www.SpeerHammocks.com
> >
> > info@
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of sandykayak
> > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:53 PM
> > To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: {Disarmed} [Hammock Camping] Is this forum dead?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi, I've been checking and there doesn't seem to be much conversing going on
> > here.
> >
> > Is everyone over at the other forum, which I haven't saved to favorites?!!
> >
> > sandy kramer
> > miami
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

Sandy,
Assuming Windows XP, they are kept in your "Documents and Settings" tree
under a path like:

C:\Documents and Settings\Carey Parks\Favorites

You can just zip up the tree from that point and mail it to yourself at
home. Unzip it where it should go on your home computer.

C

On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Sandy <sandykayak@...> wrote:

>
>
>
> I have a gazillion Favorites (URLS/forums etc) on my work computer.
>
> Is there a quick and easy way to copy them to a list so I could say, email
> it to myself, and then add to the home computer.
>
> or even be able to print out the list?
>
> thanks
>
> sandy kramer
>
> --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com <hammockcamping%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Richard Perlman <richard@...> wrote:
> >
> > I knew that/ www.hammockforums.net /would have significant impact on
> > this list. I was disappointed when it was announced.
> >
> > I, too, always prefer the email lists over the web based forums. It
> > shows up in my mailbox. Done. I set up filters for each list I'm on so
> > they go right into their little home.
> >
> > I'm on backpackinglight@yahoogroups, but rarely go to the
> > backpackinglight.com forums. It takes too long to check all the threads.
>
> >
> > Oh well. And yes, I, too, have scores of archived gems from all the
> > groups I'm on.
> >
> > Rich
> >
> > Cara Lin Bridgman wrote:
> > > The chatter dropped off almost completely in 2007 with the creation of
> > > the first online forum. I suppose people like that method because it is
>
> > > easier to follow threads and can include pictures. I've always
> > > preferred this format, because I get the emails and don't have to go
> > > online to answer. The email version also makes it easy for me to
> > > archive the occasional gem.
> > >
> > > CL
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

If you are using XP the Favorites folder is located in C:\documents and
settings\YOUR LOGIN NAME\Favorites.  You can copy that folder to a thumbdrive
and haul it home or zip the whole directory and mail it home.  Not real sure
about vista but I think it is in a similar yet different place.

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Sandy" <sandykayak@...> wrote:
>
>
> I have a gazillion Favorites (URLS/forums etc) on my work computer.
>
> Is there a quick and easy way to copy them to a list so I could say, email it
to myself, and then add to the home computer.
>
> or even be able to print out the list?
>
> thanks
>
> sandy kramer
>
>
>
>
> --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, Richard Perlman <richard@> wrote:
> >
> > I knew that/ www.hammockforums.net  /would have significant impact on
> > this list.  I was disappointed when it was announced.
> >
> > I, too, always prefer the email lists over the web based forums.  It
> > shows up in my mailbox.  Done.  I set up filters for each list I'm on so
> > they go right into their little home.
> >
> > I'm on backpackinglight@yahoogroups, but rarely go to the
> > backpackinglight.com forums.  It takes too long to check all the threads.
> >
> > Oh well.  And yes, I, too, have scores of archived gems from all the
> > groups I'm on.
> >
> > Rich
> >
> > Cara Lin Bridgman wrote:
> > > The chatter dropped off almost completely in 2007 with the creation of
> > > the first online forum.  I suppose people like that method because it is
> > > easier to follow threads and can include pictures.  I've always
> > > preferred this format, because I get the emails and don't have to go
> > > online to answer.  The email version also makes it easy for me to
> > > archive the occasional gem.
> > >
> > > CL
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

Hi, Sandy - My husband and I are at this very moment working furiously toward
homelessness.  We're selling pretty much everything in our house, then our
house, and planning to travel the continent (and then some) in our combo of a
Class B conversion van (Roadtrek brand) towing a toy hauler trailer.  Lots of
reasons for that odd choice, for another post.  Just wanted to let you know,
we're out there, too!  We have hammocks, but have also been living vicariously
through this group on that end.  Haven't had an opportunity yet to crack the
hammocks out.

Linda
"Don’t bother just to be better than your contemporaries or predecessors. Try
to be better than yourself." William Faulkner




________________________________
From: Sandy <sandykayak@...>
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 3:39:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Is this forum dead?

 

Will the upcoming cuts in salary and benefits, I'm trying to sell my house (have
potential buyers)...so, who knows, maybe I'll be able to retire in the not too
distant future...

I have a new Aliner (A-frame popup camper) and plan to do more traveling.

sandy in miami

--- In hammockcamping@ yahoogroups. com, "Ed Speer" <ed@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Sandy, it sure has been quite here lately, but we're not dead. It's
> probably my fault since I simply don't have as much time as I'd like. There
> have been a lot of new members lately, but they obviously don't feel
> comfortable enough to post yet. So the interest in hammock camping
> continues to grow rapidly. Today, I'm packing for our September Hang at Hot
> Springs this weekend. Even with the rain, we expect 40-50 people. Hope you
> can make it someday
>
>
>
> Speer Hammocks Inc
>
> Quality Hammocks for Adventure Camping
>
> 3947 Mudcut Rd
>
> Marion, NC 28752
>
> 828.724.4444
>
> www.SpeerHammocks. com
>
> info@...
>
>
>
>
>
> From: hammockcamping@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:hammockcamping@ yahoogroups.
com]
> On Behalf Of sandykayak
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:53 PM
> To: hammockcamping@ yahoogroups. com
> Subject: {Disarmed} [Hammock Camping] Is this forum dead?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi, I've been checking and there doesn't seem to be much conversing going on
> here.
>
> Is everyone over at the other forum, which I haven't saved to favorites?!!
>
> sandy kramer
> miami
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>




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John, I have been using a Hennessy for about 3 years and
have only had a Clark for about 10 months (have only slept in
it about 7 nights thus far). I am still on the learning curve with the Clark but
I find I sleep "flatter" in the Hennessey. I can actually sleep on my side and
even on my stomach for several hours
at a time, in the Hennessey.

   I enjoy many aspects of both hammocks. Just some random thoughts...I find that
in the Clark, I pretty much sleep on my back the whole evening. My shoulders and
head feel a little more cramped in the Clark but not to a point of discomfort.
The Hennessey just feels a little roomier to me. Like you, I like the pockets
underneath the Clark and I also like the "storm flaps" that can zip up over the
bug netting. I think, like most people, I prefer the top entrance/exit in the
Clark to the bottom port of the Hennessey. I use the ridge line in the Hennessey
extensively and miss it in the Clark (although it would be simple to set one
up). I do prefer the way the rain fly attaches to the ridge line on a Hennessey
rather than requiring a second connection to each tree like the Clark but have
not experimented with alternatives on the Clark yet. The snake skins are a great
feature on the Hennessey, especially  if you are moving camp often (hiking,
canoeing or biking) and really makes the next night's setup very quick and easy.
I find I have less effort keeping some type of under-insulation in place (pad or
mattress) in the Clark then in the Hennessey. For Christmas 2 years ago, my
family game me one of the 5' Exped down filled air mattresses. This works really
well in the Clark in that it hardly moves at all but the only down side (no pun
intended) is that you lay much higher in the Clark and subsequently, my face is
very close to the top of the hammock. Okay for me... might be tough on someone a
bit claustrophobic.

So for what it it worth,  these are some of my preferences with each hammock
type. Currently, I find I am favoring the Hennessey in warm whether and the
Clark when it gets down below 50 degrees. I just find that with the gear I
already have, it is earier for me to keep warm in the Clark. So far, I have been
into the low 30s quite comfortably. The hardest new trick for this old dog to
learn after 40 years of camping was to abandon sleeping inside  a sleeping bag
in the hammock and using alternative configurations (quilts, etc).






--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, John Coy <traveling2u@...> wrote:
>
> Pardon me, anyone, but I just wanted to ask if anybody has experience with
both
> the Hennessy asymetrical cut hammock design, and the Clark Jungle
> Hammock systems (I'm looking at the North American, and NX models).  I've not
been in either, but I do sleep in a Hammock Bliss hammock with sewn in bug
netting, and I've experimented with different kinds of insulation.
>
> My question, for anyone with personal experience, is just
> how much flatter sleep position is attainable with the asymetrical
> Hennesy design over the Clark hammocks?  It seems to me that the Clark
> hammocks are also a little different than a standard rectangular cut,
> but whether they are or not, I'd like to gather all the experience
> there is out there as to whether, and how much of a difference it
> makes.  I like the Clarks pocket system and new insulation, and I would like
to get as flat a sleep position as possible.  Sleeping diagonally now, I find
that probably the lack of support under the knee of an extended leg is the
biggest discomfort, other than the challenge regarding finding good lightweight
under-insulation system..  I really like the Clark, and I'm leaning that way,
but if the Hennesy sleep position is really a dramatic improvement, I might go
Hennesy, and keep working on the under insulation system.
>
> Thanks in advance for taking time to pass on your
>  experience.
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Hennesy had a few new items at trial days this year one included a side
zipper entrance with a double bottom for adding under insualtion. The
dispaly had a  removeable truck window kind of reflective mat to fit inside
the double bottom for added warmth.

I have an older bottom entrance  Hennesy  with a second
removeable under bottom to make it a double bottom and super shelter.  I
wiggle a lot in my sleep with restless legs so I'm concidering sewing a
pocket to the removeable bottom for my expeed down air mattress a friend
gave me
and or my Big Agus 3/4 ari mattress I use in summer for cushioning the
arthrits.

  I'd do this pocket  the the main bottom but I'm afraid  the stiching would
weaken the weight bearing fabric.  The second bottom works for one large
under  pocket  simular to the to the Clark.

Hennesy also has worked out to one of his Hammocks
a down instualed under quilt ( may have been  Jack's-R-better quilt? offer)
with that model  and  added
triangular shaped removeable ends to the tarp portion for better  cold
weather and rain protection.

I've seen a hiker with a Clark but have not used one so can't compair apples
to oranges.


I haven;t checked their websight to see if they are seling it on line or if
it was a experinament model  for Trail Days
demonstration.  .

I think today I'd be better off with the  side zippered entrance doubble
bottom Hennesy as my restless legs somtimes  open  up the bottom entrance
with my feet during the night letting skeeters inside.

Rogene

Jody-



It is a "fur piece," but there is a group that gets together a few times each
year, called Mid-Atlantic Hammock Hangers Association.  (Not so sure about the
"association" part, but the group is referred to as MAHHA.)  They usually hook
up for weekends near Crampton Gap at Gathland State Park in MD.  It is about 10
hours (took 11 once) of driving for me, from west of Boston.  I would guess that
it will take even more time for you.



Anyway, I have a bunch of family stuff going on and will not be able to hike and
camp much for a while, but I would be happy to meet up for a weekend some time
in the future.  Ratty, in NY I think, may also be in range.



Regards,



Rosaleen





Other Group Events?
Posted by: "alladinjw" vegemini@... alladinjw
Date: Tue Sep 22, 2009 2:21 pm ((PDT))

Ed's email got me thinking... Are the other group hangs? I'd love to go
hammocking with a group in the New England area. I'm new to hammock camping and
have only been out a few times. There's lot for me to learn still and
experienced folks would certainly be a great help. (Plus, it would be fun!)
-Jody


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If you sew the bottom of a hammock, know that it will weaken the fabric.
I have done this, but always use a zigzag stitch. That way, when the
fabric stretches, the stitch line does not become a stress point.

Rick

Rogene Calkins wrote:

>
>  I'd do this pocket  the the main bottom but I'm afraid  the stiching would
> weaken the weight bearing fabric.  The second bottom works for one large
> under  pocket  simular to the to the Clark.
>
>

I bought my Dad a Byer hammock with mosquito netting and he sat on it wrong and
pulled the netting away from the zipper.  He wrote them an email and didn't get
a response, but a few days later, there was a brand new one on his
doorstep.  It's pretty good for cheap and they seem to have pretty good service
too.
 
Chris Lutz
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________________________________
From: John Coy <traveling2u@...>
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 3:03:19 PM
Subject: [Hammock Camping] Any Experience to compare Clark NA & NX hammocks to
Hennesy Asym

 
Pardon me, anyone, but I just wanted to ask if anybody has experience with both
the Hennessy asymetrical cut hammock design, and the Clark Jungle
Hammock systems (I'm looking at the North American, and NX models).  I've not
been in either, but I do sleep in a Hammock Bliss hammock with sewn in bug
netting, and I've experimented with different kinds of insulation.

My question, for anyone with personal experience, is just
how much flatter sleep position is attainable with the asymetrical
Hennesy design over the Clark hammocks?  It seems to me that the Clark
hammocks are also a little different than a standard rectangular cut,
but whether they are or not, I'd like to gather all the experience
there is out there as to whether, and how much of a difference it
makes.  I like the Clarks pocket system and new insulation, and I would like to
get as flat a sleep position as possible.  Sleeping diagonally now, I find that
probably the lack of support under the knee of an extended leg is the biggest
discomfort, other than the challenge regarding finding good lightweight
under-insulation system..  I really like the Clark, and I'm leaning that way,
but if the Hennesy sleep position is really a dramatic improvement, I might go
Hennesy, and keep working on the under insulation system.

Thanks in advance for taking time to pass on your
experience.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Are there any hangs like this that happen in the New England area?  I've
love to get a group together for a fall trip.

On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Sandy <sandykayak@...> wrote:

>
>
>
> Will the upcoming cuts in salary and benefits, I'm trying to sell my house
> (have potential buyers)...so, who knows, maybe I'll be able to retire in the
> not too distant future...
>
> I have a new Aliner (A-frame popup camper) and plan to do more traveling.
>
> sandy in miami
>
> --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com <hammockcamping%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "Ed Speer" <ed@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Sandy, it sure has been quite here lately, but we're not dead. It's
> > probably my fault since I simply don't have as much time as I'd like.
> There
> > have been a lot of new members lately, but they obviously don't feel
> > comfortable enough to post yet. So the interest in hammock camping
> > continues to grow rapidly. Today, I'm packing for our September Hang at
> Hot
> > Springs this weekend. Even with the rain, we expect 40-50 people. Hope
> you
> > can make it someday
> >
> >
> >
> > Speer Hammocks Inc
> >
> > Quality Hammocks for Adventure Camping
> >
> > 3947 Mudcut Rd
> >
> > Marion, NC 28752
> >
> > 828.724.4444
> >
> > www.SpeerHammocks.com <http://www.speerhammocks.com/>
> >
> > info@...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
<hammockcamping%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:
> hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com <hammockcamping%40yahoogroups.com>]
> > On Behalf Of sandykayak
> > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:53 PM
> > To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com <hammockcamping%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: {Disarmed} [Hammock Camping] Is this forum dead?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi, I've been checking and there doesn't seem to be much conversing going
> on
> > here.
> >
> > Is everyone over at the other forum, which I haven't saved to
> favorites?!!
> >
> > sandy kramer
> > miami
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>


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Thank Sleibacher,
I really appreciate the benefit of your experience.  Until your reply, I'd not
found anyone who'd actually used both hammocks.  I mostly camp in the Uintah's
(10K feet), so It's almost always down to 50 degrees overnight where I go.  (In
fact, we had a light flurry of snow on an overnight trip in August, thought
that's pretty unusual).  I think I'm sold on the Clark now, because it seems the
most efficient way for insulating.  I'll miss my ridgeline too, but I think I
can add one, and fortunately, I don't generally get to feeling claustrophobic. 
By the way, Clark's jungle hammocks have a new model, the NX 150, and 250 that
use light poles so there's no need for tying a second set of lines to trees.  I
think that's the way I'll go.

By the way, do you use their z-liner insulation system, or some other unsulation
in the pockets, etc.

Thanks again,
John

--- On Tue, 9/22/09, sleibacher <scotleibacher@...> wrote:

From: sleibacher <scotleibacher@...>
Subject: [Hammock Camping] Re: Any Experience to compare Clark NA & NX hammocks
to Hennesy Asym
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 7:56 PM






 





                   John, I have been using a Hennessy for about 3 years and

have only had a Clark for about 10 months (have only slept in

it about 7 nights thus far). I am still on the learning curve with the Clark but
I find I sleep "flatter" in the Hennessey. I can actually sleep on my side and
even on my stomach for several hours

at a time, in the Hennessey.



I enjoy many aspects of both hammocks. Just some random thoughts...I find that
in the Clark, I pretty much sleep on my back the whole evening. My shoulders and
head feel a little more cramped in the Clark but not to a point of discomfort.
The Hennessey just feels a little roomier to me. Like you, I like the pockets
underneath the Clark and I also like the "storm flaps" that can zip up over the
bug netting. I think, like most people, I prefer the top entrance/exit in the
Clark to the bottom port of the Hennessey. I use the ridge line in the Hennessey
extensively and miss it in the Clark (although it would be simple to set one
up). I do prefer the way the rain fly attaches to the ridge line on a Hennessey
rather than requiring a second connection to each tree like the Clark but have
not experimented with alternatives on the Clark yet. The snake skins are a great
feature on the Hennessey, especially  if you are moving camp often (hiking,
canoeing or biking)
  and really makes the next night's setup very quick and easy. I find I have less
effort keeping some type of under-insulation in place (pad or mattress) in the
Clark then in the Hennessey. For Christmas 2 years ago, my family game me one of
the 5' Exped down filled air mattresses. This works really well in the Clark in
that it hardly moves at all but the only down side (no pun intended) is that you
lay much higher in the Clark and subsequently, my face is very close to the top
of the hammock. Okay for me... might be tough on someone a bit claustrophobic.



So for what it it worth,  these are some of my preferences with each hammock
type. Currently, I find I am favoring the Hennessey in warm whether and the
Clark when it gets down below 50 degrees. I just find that with the gear I
already have, it is earier for me to keep warm in the Clark. So far, I have been
into the low 30s quite comfortably. The hardest new trick for this old dog to
learn after 40 years of camping was to abandon sleeping inside  a sleeping bag
in the hammock and using alternative configurations (quilts, etc).



--- In hammockcamping@ yahoogroups. com, John Coy <traveling2u@ ...> wrote:

>

> Pardon me, anyone, but I just wanted to ask if anybody has experience with
both

> the Hennessy asymetrical cut hammock design, and the Clark Jungle

> Hammock systems (I'm looking at the North American, and NX models).  I've not
been in either, but I do sleep in a Hammock Bliss hammock with sewn in bug
netting, and I've experimented with different kinds of insulation..

>

> My question, for anyone with personal experience, is just

> how much flatter sleep position is attainable with the asymetrical

> Hennesy design over the Clark hammocks?  It seems to me that the Clark

> hammocks are also a little different than a standard rectangular cut,

> but whether they are or not, I'd like to gather all the experience

> there is out there as to whether, and how much of a difference it

> makes.  I like the Clarks pocket system and new insulation, and I would like
to get as flat a sleep position as possible.  Sleeping diagonally now, I find
that probably the lack of support under the knee of an extended leg is the
biggest discomfort, other than the challenge regarding finding good lightweight
under-insulation system..  I really like the Clark, and I'm leaning that way,
but if the Hennesy sleep position is really a dramatic improvement, I might go
Hennesy, and keep working on the under insulation system.

>

> Thanks in advance for taking time to pass on your

>  experience.

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>































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Anyone have a Blackbird and care to comment?

sandy in miami

I think they are testing them over at www.backpackgeartest.org


TV

Thanks for the tip on using a zizgag stich.
I; will not stich through the weight beraing for the same reson you
mentioned jus the under bottom.
I;ld like ot do the weight bering as I thnk it would help  the mattressp
more comfrotble for me but not wiling tobe dropped on the gournd during the
night.
Rogene

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick" <ra1@...>
To: <hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Re: Any Experience to compare Clark NA & NX
hammocks to Hennesy Asym


> If you sew the bottom of a hammock, know that it will weaken the fabric.
> I have done this, but always use a zigzag stitch. That way, when the
> fabric stretches, the stitch line does not become a stress point.
>
> Rick
>
> Rogene Calkins wrote:
>
>>
>>  I'd do this pocket  the the main bottom but I'm afraid  the stiching
>> would
>> weaken the weight bearing fabric.  The second bottom works for one large
>> under  pocket  simular to the to the Clark.
>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

I have an HH UL Explorer, and a Warbonnet Blackbird. There are a few things I
like better
about my Blackbird. First, I seem to have less shoulder squeeze in the
Blackbird. I wear a 48-50 jacket, so this may not be an issue with many people.
Second, I much prefer the top entry on the Blackbird. Third, I like the
handiness of the storage shelf. Fourth, the function of the foot box, while only
a piece of extra top fabric, is a great addition that allows confidence to
achieve a more asym sleep position.
Rodney
--- On Wed, 9/23/09, Sandy <sandykayak@...> wrote:

From: Sandy <sandykayak@...>
Subject: [Hammock Camping] Reviews of Warbonnet's Blackbird Hammock
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 23, 2009, 2:07 PM













 







Anyone have a Blackbird and care to comment?



sandy in miami






























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Folks over on the forum think the BB is the best thing since sliced bread.  Lots
of positive feedback there.  As soon as my resources align, I will be replacing
my Claytor JH with one.

David

David and Cara Lawson-Ball
RiverJourneys Inc.


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   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Rodney Diseker
   To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:43 PM
   Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Reviews of Warbonnet's Blackbird Hammock


     I have an HH UL Explorer, and a Warbonnet Blackbird. There are a few things
I like better
   about my Blackbird. First, I seem to have less shoulder squeeze in the
Blackbird. I wear a 48-50 jacket, so this may not be an issue with many people.
Second, I much prefer the top entry on the Blackbird. Third, I like the
handiness of the storage shelf. Fourth, the function of the foot box, while only
a piece of extra top fabric, is a great addition that allows confidence to
achieve a more asym sleep position.
   Rodney
   --- On Wed, 9/23/09, Sandy <sandykayak@...> wrote:

   From: Sandy <sandykayak@...>
   Subject: [Hammock Camping] Reviews of Warbonnet's Blackbird Hammock
   To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
   Date: Wednesday, September 23, 2009, 2:07 PM



   Anyone have a Blackbird and care to comment?

   sandy in miami














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