I hope everyone is planning on attending our next hammock campout---June 12-14,
Hot Springs, NC.  Check this link for more info:

http://www.speerhammocks.com/Assets/Articles/HotSpringsJun09.htm

We had a large turnout for the April campout & it looks like there is just as
much interest in the upcoming June campout.  There's plenty of room for
hammocks, but letting me know you're coming will make planning a bit easier. 
Karen & I will be hosting the Saturday night Hot Dog Roast; however we'll see if
enough interest develops for having a Saturday am communal breakfast &/or
another silent auction.  I currently have about 15 confirmed campers.  Karen & I
always enjoy this mid-summer campout beside the French Broad River--easy to cool
off in the river when it gets too hot or we just want to get away from all the
hammock talk!

Remember kids are always welcome & a June campout is great family fun!

...Ed
Owner, Speer Hammocks, Inc
Author, Hammock Campoing book
Moderator, Hammock Camping Discussion Group (this List)

Hi Tom
I taught that to buy a larger tarp the "Big Rain Fly" it's OK. The set will be
only kg. 0,400 heavier, but with more room  and the price only 30$ more that's
acceptable.
About the netting :
1 -  which is the difference between 'mosquito netting' and not 'no-see-um
netting'?
2 - Another problem involving tropical mosquitoes is that the bait trough the
hammock's bottom. For that would be better to have a mosquito net over the
hammock and one foot from the bottom . What about  the Claytor Jungle Hammock ?.

About the tarp:
3 – because in Brazil there are not many products for waterproofing, products
from McNett (http://www.mcnett.com/Seam-Sealing-Gear-Repair-C142.aspx) are good
for that ? or is possible to use any silicon spray can to do it ?
Thanks for the many advices
Otto

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Frazier" <wildewudu@...> wrote:
>
> Otto:
>
>
> Rodney pretty much hit nearly all the points in his response, but I'll fill in
a few blanks and give you my opinion since this was actually my first hammock
(now I just make my own!). I'm actually planning on a family hammock camping
trip and I've loaned my Claytor Jungle Hammock to my father...this will be his
first hammock camping experience, so I do have the utmost confidence in the
Jungle Hammock!
>
> As far as pricing and affordability, you really can't go wrong with the
Claytor Jungle Hammock. I can't buy the materials to make the set up he sells
for less than what he sells his product at retail---so it is a really good price
for what it is. What originally sold me was the fact that you can spread the
netting out so you don't feel so closed in and the netting stays off your face!
>
> As Rodney suggest, I'd probably email Tom Claytor about getting the Jungle
Hammock with the larger square tarp he sells for better coverage. You *will*
have to waterproof the diamond tarp that comes with the Jungle Hammock set up
and you can use the same products you use to waterproof your tent....now, I'm
not talking about sealing the seams (the way the diamond tarp is made, there is
no top seam that you have to seal anyways!), you have to actually waterproof the
entire tarp before you plan on using it. It is made of nylon taffetta, so it's a
little on the heavy side, but really isn't that bad, actually.
>
> The diamond fly has good coverage from rain pouring straight down, but if you
have any wind or any rain coming at any angle you run the risk of getting wet
and cold. There is a way to prevent that from happening with the diamond fly, of
course, and that is to lower the bottom ends of the tarp all the way down so
that it sandwiches you in the hammock---but that also means you don't have any
wiggle room and no room to cook under the tarp while it's raining. Personally, I
like being as comfortable as possible, so if you're going to get this model of
hammock, I'd get the larger square tarp he sells with the hammock instead of the
diamond tarp. You'll be more flexible this way, and his tarps are still green,
so they won't be an eyesore in the jungle!
>
> As to the width of the hammock and laying straight---I've had no problems
sleeping in whatever position I want. It's very comfortable and the liner on the
inside of the hammock feels nice against the skin, but also helps wick away any
moisture that may build up inside. The only issue with the width is that you
need to play with how it hangs more than you would with a wider hammock. Most of
the wider hammocks you can have more sag, so they look more like a banana shape
when no one's in it, but because this hammock is not as wide, you may find
you'll need to set it up with less of a sag to lay flatter in it, but I've had
no problems with it and I have yet to read any bad reviews of the hammock. The
only shortcomings I've noticed I already posted in this thread.
>
> There is one more thing, though, but it's a matter of preference. The cords
that come with the hammock are a little on the heavy side and they *will*
stretch if you tie the hammock up too far between trees...I've got a picture my
wife took of me sleeping in my jungle hammock after the straps stretched
overnight...I ended up waking up barely an inch off the ground the next morning!
This was only a problem because I went as far as I could go between to two far
apart from each other. I later upgraded my suspension system to include one inch
wide webbing (you can buy that from Ed Speer for really cheap...around $8.50 USD
www.speerhammocks.com ) and a cinch buckle. I *love* this suspension set up;
it's much faster to set up and easier to adjust; but the suspension system is
something that you can upgrade at a later time. If you're just looking for an
affordable set up I don't think you can go wrong with the jungle hammock you're
looking at--just be aware of the limitations of the tarp!! If you upgrade the
tarp, then that would eliminate that particular [in my opinion] weak point.
>
> Good luck!!
>
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: proteorio
>   To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 3:18 PM
>   Subject: [Hammock Camping] Re: Hammock for Brazil and South America
>
>
>
>
>
>   Hi Tom
>   Nice to meet you and thanks for the answer.
>   I was impressed by the Mosquito Hammock, the Jungle model. Look's like to
have many good features: is double layer and accept a camping pad, can lay on
the ground if no trees are available, has camouflage color that is very good for
stealth camping, and in Brazil is better not to be seen, the price is good and
he send for free worldwide.
>   Two things are my concern:
>   1- the width of the hammock only 4' (cm. 300x125) and is written
"comfortable for a person up to 7' 5" and 350 pounds". This wide it's enough for
side sleeping?
>   2 - Why the tarp is so bad ? - it is possible to waterproof with silicon or
same of the stuff used for tents sealing ? The JRB Cat Tarp is $ 105 and the
Speer Winter Tarp is $ 119. Alones are costing like the hammock( not counting
the shipping) and this option is not . I have to stick to the tarp who cams long
wit the Jungle.
>   Do you know of some major drawback of the Jungle model ?
>   I'm really interested in this model.
>   otto
>
>   --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Frazier" <wildewudu@> wrote:
>   >
>   > Claytors have double bottoms too: www.mosquitohammock.com so you can shove
a pad in them as well. The fly for this hammock would need to be water proofed
though, or replace it with another tarp like the Hammock Hut
www.jacksrbetter.com or the Speer Winter Tarp www.speerhammocks.com
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > ----- Original Message -----
>   > From: Otto Mateus
>   > To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
>   > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 12:25 PM
>   > Subject: [Hammock Camping] Hammock for Brazil and South America
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > Hi Liz,
>   > Nice to meet you and thanks for the answer.
>   > I visited all sites you mentioned in the message. There are all very
interesting and are very good places to learn new ideas and tricks. Me too I
have a home workshop where I can make o modify many of the things I need.
>   > Looks a little tricky all this hand work especially on a brand new (and
expensive) hammock .A double layer hammock sound more interesting and rational..
I can stick my Therm-a-rest Ultralight pad underneath. But at the moment neither
Clark (pockets can be considered double layer?) or Hennessy offer a full double
layer .I will try to visit more sites in the Internet
>   > I never though about sleeping diagonally. The hammock I made I was keeping
very taught with two yacht pulleys. It was like sleeping on a bed. But
everything was heavy and I did get cold.
>   > I will do others tests on a local made cotton hammock
>   > Thanks for the wishes I hope to find the right one very soon.
>   > Otto
>   >
>   > Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados
>   > http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com
>   >
>   > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>   >
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This is confusing..so, the Claytor Jungle Hammock and the Mosquito Jungle
Hammock are the same.  How can anyone possibly sell a hammock with a tarp that's
not waterproof?  According to the site, it IS waterproof.  I agree it's on the
small side but having to waterproof the whole fabric of a fly seems crazy. 
here's from the website.

<<DIAMOND RAIN FLY (3x4m.)
Design: This fly is designed for our Jungle Hammock, but some people like it and
wish to order it separately. The Diamond design gives maximum coverage to the
hammock with minimum surface area and only two lines to stake down (the other
two are tied to the trees above the hammock). It is narrow at the ends (near the
tree) where the hammock is higher, and it is wider in the middle where the
hammock is lower. You can adjust the mid-sections to a low point for maximum
rain protection, or you can pull the mid-sections out to allow a breeze and
protection from the sun. The Diamond Fly comes in Camouflage color only. It is
100% waterproof Polyurethane coated Nylon designed for very rainy conditions.
(photo: Rick Ashworth). Color: Camouflage. Stuff Sack: Camouflage. Material: 244
ripstop Nylon. Rain Sheet Dimensions: Diamond shape - 400cm long x 300cm wide &
250cm along each side (13' long x 10' wide). Weight: .6kg. (1.2lb.). MORE
PICTURES.
COST: US$45.>>

sandy in miami



--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Frazier" <wildewudu@...> wrote:
>
> Otto:
>
>
> Rodney pretty much hit nearly all the points in his response, but I'll fill in
a few blanks and give you my opinion since this was actually my first hammock
(now I just make my own!). I'm actually planning on a family hammock camping
trip and I've loaned my Claytor Jungle Hammock to my father...this will be his
first hammock camping experience, so I do have the utmost confidence in the
Jungle Hammock!
>
> As far as pricing and affordability, you really can't go wrong with the
Claytor Jungle Hammock. I can't buy the materials to make the set up he sells
for less than what he sells his product at retail---so it is a really good price
for what it is. What originally sold me was the fact that you can spread the
netting out so you don't feel so closed in and the netting stays off your face!
>
> As Rodney suggest, I'd probably email Tom Claytor about getting the Jungle
Hammock with the larger square tarp he sells for better coverage. You *will*
have to waterproof the diamond tarp that comes with the Jungle Hammock set up
and you can use the same products you use to waterproof your tent....now, I'm
not talking about sealing the seams (the way the diamond tarp is made, there is
no top seam that you have to seal anyways!), you have to actually waterproof the
entire tarp before you plan on using it. It is made of nylon taffetta, so it's a
little on the heavy side, but really isn't that bad, actually.
>
> The diamond fly has good coverage from rain pouring straight down, but if you
have any wind or any rain coming at any angle you run the risk of getting wet
and cold. There is a way to prevent that from happening with the diamond fly, of
course, and that is to lower the bottom ends of the tarp all the way down so
that it sandwiches you in the hammock---but that also means you don't have any
wiggle room and no room to cook under the tarp while it's raining. Personally, I
like being as comfortable as possible, so if you're going to get this model of
hammock, I'd get the larger square tarp he sells with the hammock instead of the
diamond tarp. You'll be more flexible this way, and his tarps are still green,
so they won't be an eyesore in the jungle!
>
> As to the width of the hammock and laying straight---I've had no problems
sleeping in whatever position I want. It's very comfortable and the liner on the
inside of the hammock feels nice against the skin, but also helps wick away any
moisture that may build up inside. The only issue with the width is that you
need to play with how it hangs more than you would with a wider hammock. Most of
the wider hammocks you can have more sag, so they look more like a banana shape
when no one's in it, but because this hammock is not as wide, you may find
you'll need to set it up with less of a sag to lay flatter in it, but I've had
no problems with it and I have yet to read any bad reviews of the hammock. The
only shortcomings I've noticed I already posted in this thread.
>
> There is one more thing, though, but it's a matter of preference. The cords
that come with the hammock are a little on the heavy side and they *will*
stretch if you tie the hammock up too far between trees...I've got a picture my
wife took of me sleeping in my jungle hammock after the straps stretched
overnight...I ended up waking up barely an inch off the ground the next morning!
This was only a problem because I went as far as I could go between to two far
apart from each other. I later upgraded my suspension system to include one inch
wide webbing (you can buy that from Ed Speer for really cheap...around $8.50 USD
www.speerhammocks.com ) and a cinch buckle. I *love* this suspension set up;
it's much faster to set up and easier to adjust; but the suspension system is
something that you can upgrade at a later time. If you're just looking for an
affordable set up I don't think you can go wrong with the jungle hammock you're
looking at--just be aware of the limitations of the tarp!! If you upgrade the
tarp, then that would eliminate that particular [in my opinion] weak point.
>
> Good luck!!
>
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: proteorio
>   To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 3:18 PM
>   Subject: [Hammock Camping] Re: Hammock for Brazil and South America
>
>
>
>
>
>   Hi Tom
>   Nice to meet you and thanks for the answer.
>   I was impressed by the Mosquito Hammock, the Jungle model. Look's like to
have many good features: is double layer and accept a camping pad, can lay on
the ground if no trees are available, has camouflage color that is very good for
stealth camping, and in Brazil is better not to be seen, the price is good and
he send for free worldwide.
>   Two things are my concern:
>   1- the width of the hammock only 4' (cm. 300x125) and is written
"comfortable for a person up to 7' 5" and 350 pounds". This wide it's enough for
side sleeping?
>   2 - Why the tarp is so bad ? - it is possible to waterproof with silicon or
same of the stuff used for tents sealing ? The JRB Cat Tarp is $ 105 and the
Speer Winter Tarp is $ 119. Alones are costing like the hammock( not counting
the shipping) and this option is not . I have to stick to the tarp who cams long
wit the Jungle.
>   Do you know of some major drawback of the Jungle model ?
>   I'm really interested in this model.
>   otto
>
>   --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Frazier" <wildewudu@> wrote:
>   >
>   > Claytors have double bottoms too: www.mosquitohammock.com so you can shove
a pad in them as well. The fly for this hammock would need to be water proofed
though, or replace it with another tarp like the Hammock Hut
www.jacksrbetter.com or the Speer Winter Tarp www.speerhammocks.com
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > ----- Original Message -----
>   > From: Otto Mateus
>   > To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
>   > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 12:25 PM
>   > Subject: [Hammock Camping] Hammock for Brazil and South America
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > Hi Liz,
>   > Nice to meet you and thanks for the answer.
>   > I visited all sites you mentioned in the message. There are all very
interesting and are very good places to learn new ideas and tricks. Me too I
have a home workshop where I can make o modify many of the things I need.
>   > Looks a little tricky all this hand work especially on a brand new (and
expensive) hammock .A double layer hammock sound more interesting and rational..
I can stick my Therm-a-rest Ultralight pad underneath. But at the moment neither
Clark (pockets can be considered double layer?) or Hennessy offer a full double
layer .I will try to visit more sites in the Internet
>   > I never though about sleeping diagonally. The hammock I made I was keeping
very taught with two yacht pulleys. It was like sleeping on a bed. But
everything was heavy and I did get cold.
>   > I will do others tests on a local made cotton hammock
>   > Thanks for the wishes I hope to find the right one very soon.
>   > Otto
>   >
>   > Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados
>   > http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com
>   >
>   > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>   >
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>
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Hi, Otto...there is a huge difference in the netting...there are teeny flying
insects called "no see'ums" (because they are so small you can hardly see them),
also called gnats, that can make your life perfectly miserable if you only have
regular mosquito netting.

One gal was almost eaten alive in south florida...the gnats went through the
mesh of her tent.  And I had the same problem in the netting of my canvas popup
camper.

you definitely need no see 'um mesh.  Also, darker netting is easier to see out
of.

you have a point about the mosquitos biting through the fabric...one of the
sites (can't remember which, right now) sells a separate mosquito (need to see
if it's no see 'um mesh) that is like a huge bag and the hammock is suspended in
between.  i'll see if i can find the URL.

sandy in miami, fl who grew up in Venezuela.


--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "proteorio" <proteorio@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Tom
> I taught that to buy a larger tarp the "Big Rain Fly" it's OK. The set will be
only kg. 0,400 heavier, but with more room  and the price only 30$ more that's
acceptable.
> About the netting :
> 1 -  which is the difference between 'mosquito netting' and not 'no-see-um
netting'?
> 2 - Another problem involving tropical mosquitoes is that the bait trough the
hammock's bottom. For that would be better to have a mosquito net over the
hammock and one foot from the bottom . What about  the Claytor Jungle Hammock ?.
>
> About the tarp:
> 3 – because in Brazil there are not many products for waterproofing, products
from McNett (http://www.mcnett.com/Seam-Sealing-Gear-Repair-C142.aspx) are good
for that ? or is possible to use any silicon spray can to do it ?
> Thanks for the many advices
> Otto
>
> --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Frazier" <wildewudu@> wrote:
> >
> > Otto:
> >
> >
> > Rodney pretty much hit nearly all the points in his response, but I'll fill
in a few blanks and give you my opinion since this was actually my first hammock
(now I just make my own!). I'm actually planning on a family hammock camping
trip and I've loaned my Claytor Jungle Hammock to my father...this will be his
first hammock camping experience, so I do have the utmost confidence in the
Jungle Hammock!
> >
> > As far as pricing and affordability, you really can't go wrong with the
Claytor Jungle Hammock. I can't buy the materials to make the set up he sells
for less than what he sells his product at retail---so it is a really good price
for what it is. What originally sold me was the fact that you can spread the
netting out so you don't feel so closed in and the netting stays off your face!
> >
> > As Rodney suggest, I'd probably email Tom Claytor about getting the Jungle
Hammock with the larger square tarp he sells for better coverage. You *will*
have to waterproof the diamond tarp that comes with the Jungle Hammock set up
and you can use the same products you use to waterproof your tent....now, I'm
not talking about sealing the seams (the way the diamond tarp is made, there is
no top seam that you have to seal anyways!), you have to actually waterproof the
entire tarp before you plan on using it. It is made of nylon taffetta, so it's a
little on the heavy side, but really isn't that bad, actually.
> >
> > The diamond fly has good coverage from rain pouring straight down, but if
you have any wind or any rain coming at any angle you run the risk of getting
wet and cold. There is a way to prevent that from happening with the diamond
fly, of course, and that is to lower the bottom ends of the tarp all the way
down so that it sandwiches you in the hammock---but that also means you don't
have any wiggle room and no room to cook under the tarp while it's raining.
Personally, I like being as comfortable as possible, so if you're going to get
this model of hammock, I'd get the larger square tarp he sells with the hammock
instead of the diamond tarp. You'll be more flexible this way, and his tarps are
still green, so they won't be an eyesore in the jungle!
> >
> > As to the width of the hammock and laying straight---I've had no problems
sleeping in whatever position I want. It's very comfortable and the liner on the
inside of the hammock feels nice against the skin, but also helps wick away any
moisture that may build up inside. The only issue with the width is that you
need to play with how it hangs more than you would with a wider hammock. Most of
the wider hammocks you can have more sag, so they look more like a banana shape
when no one's in it, but because this hammock is not as wide, you may find
you'll need to set it up with less of a sag to lay flatter in it, but I've had
no problems with it and I have yet to read any bad reviews of the hammock. The
only shortcomings I've noticed I already posted in this thread.
> >
> > There is one more thing, though, but it's a matter of preference. The cords
that come with the hammock are a little on the heavy side and they *will*
stretch if you tie the hammock up too far between trees...I've got a picture my
wife took of me sleeping in my jungle hammock after the straps stretched
overnight...I ended up waking up barely an inch off the ground the next morning!
This was only a problem because I went as far as I could go between to two far
apart from each other. I later upgraded my suspension system to include one inch
wide webbing (you can buy that from Ed Speer for really cheap...around $8.50 USD
www.speerhammocks.com ) and a cinch buckle. I *love* this suspension set up;
it's much faster to set up and easier to adjust; but the suspension system is
something that you can upgrade at a later time. If you're just looking for an
affordable set up I don't think you can go wrong with the jungle hammock you're
looking at--just be aware of the limitations of the tarp!! If you upgrade the
tarp, then that would eliminate that particular [in my opinion] weak point.
> >
> > Good luck!!
> >
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: proteorio
> >   To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
> >   Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 3:18 PM
> >   Subject: [Hammock Camping] Re: Hammock for Brazil and South America
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >   Hi Tom
> >   Nice to meet you and thanks for the answer.
> >   I was impressed by the Mosquito Hammock, the Jungle model. Look's like to
have many good features: is double layer and accept a camping pad, can lay on
the ground if no trees are available, has camouflage color that is very good for
stealth camping, and in Brazil is better not to be seen, the price is good and
he send for free worldwide.
> >   Two things are my concern:
> >   1- the width of the hammock only 4' (cm. 300x125) and is written
"comfortable for a person up to 7' 5" and 350 pounds". This wide it's enough for
side sleeping?
> >   2 - Why the tarp is so bad ? - it is possible to waterproof with silicon
or same of the stuff used for tents sealing ? The JRB Cat Tarp is $ 105 and the
Speer Winter Tarp is $ 119. Alones are costing like the hammock( not counting
the shipping) and this option is not . I have to stick to the tarp who cams long
wit the Jungle.
> >   Do you know of some major drawback of the Jungle model ?
> >   I'm really interested in this model.
> >   otto
> >
> >   --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Frazier" <wildewudu@> wrote:
> >   >
> >   > Claytors have double bottoms too: www.mosquitohammock.com so you can
shove a pad in them as well. The fly for this hammock would need to be water
proofed though, or replace it with another tarp like the Hammock Hut
www.jacksrbetter.com or the Speer Winter Tarp www.speerhammocks.com
> >   >
> >   >
> >   >
> >   >
> >   > ----- Original Message -----
> >   > From: Otto Mateus
> >   > To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
> >   > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 12:25 PM
> >   > Subject: [Hammock Camping] Hammock for Brazil and South America
> >   >
> >   >
> >   >
> >   >
> >   >
> >   > Hi Liz,
> >   > Nice to meet you and thanks for the answer.
> >   > I visited all sites you mentioned in the message. There are all very
interesting and are very good places to learn new ideas and tricks. Me too I
have a home workshop where I can make o modify many of the things I need.
> >   > Looks a little tricky all this hand work especially on a brand new (and
expensive) hammock .A double layer hammock sound more interesting and rational..
I can stick my Therm-a-rest Ultralight pad underneath. But at the moment neither
Clark (pockets can be considered double layer?) or Hennessy offer a full double
layer .I will try to visit more sites in the Internet
> >   > I never though about sleeping diagonally. The hammock I made I was
keeping very taught with two yacht pulleys. It was like sleeping on a bed. But
everything was heavy and I did get cold.
> >   > I will do others tests on a local made cotton hammock
> >   > Thanks for the wishes I hope to find the right one very soon.
> >   > Otto
> >   >
> >   > Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados
> >   > http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com
> >   >
> >   > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >   >
> >   >
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proteorio wrote:
> 2 - Another problem involving tropical mosquitoes is that the bait trough the
hammock's bottom. For that would be better to have a mosquito net over the
hammock and one foot from the bottom . What about  the Claytor Jungle Hammock ?.
>
>
In the summer, when it's warm, I treat  my Hennessey hammock
with permethrin
<http://www.rei.com/gear/feature/search/Google/permethrin?cm_mmc=ps_google_CH-_-\
Category%20-%20Camp%2fHike-_-Camping%2fHiking_Insect_Repellant_General-_-permeth\
rin&mr:adGroup=352105145&mr:ad=2577700175&mr:keyword=permethrin&mr:referralID=NA\
&gclid=CJPZ7aWovJoCFR1N5QodnzkfcA>
to repel mosquitoes from biting me through the material.  I also treat
my hiking clothes with the same product.  The mosquitoes don't even land
on me.  The stuff is amazing, but it must be used properly!

Rich


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Otto, this is the separate mosquito netting option I was talking about.  It's
not very easy to see/understand in their photo, but at the bottom right there
are diagrams.

These are a good addition to a regular hammock that doesn't come with
netting....or one that has regular netting and not no see'um mesh.

http://www.eaglesnestoutfittersinc.com/guardian-bug-net.html

sandy in miami


--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Sandy Kramer" <sandykayak@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hi, Otto...there is a huge difference in the netting...there are teeny flying
insects called "no see'ums" (because they are so small you can hardly see them),
also called gnats, that can make your life perfectly miserable if you only have
regular mosquito netting.
>
> One gal was almost eaten alive in south florida...the gnats went through the
mesh of her tent.  And I had the same problem in the netting of my canvas popup
camper.
>
> you definitely need no see 'um mesh.  Also, darker netting is easier to see
out of.
>
> you have a point about the mosquitos biting through the fabric...one of the
sites (can't remember which, right now) sells a separate mosquito (need to see
if it's no see 'um mesh) that is like a huge bag and the hammock is suspended in
between.  i'll see if i can find the URL.
>
> sandy in miami, fl who grew up in Venezuela.
>
>
>

Here's another one....only $40, but it appears that you will need several trees
as it has four tie-outs...good for spreading the netting open, but not sure how
to attach.  Perhaps someone else has used one of these?

In addition to my Byer's of Maine Moskito Traveller, I have a Treklight double
that doesn't have any mesh, so I'm interested.

any comments on comparing this one with the ENO one I posted before?

which one would you buy?

http://www.joessports.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1472652&CAWELAID=103771021

sandy in miami

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Sandy Kramer" <sandykayak@...> wrote:
>
>
> Otto, this is the separate mosquito netting option I was talking about.  It's
not very easy to see/understand in their photo, but at the bottom right there
are diagrams.
>
> These are a good addition to a regular hammock that doesn't come with
netting....or one that has regular netting and not no see'um mesh.
>
> http://www.eaglesnestoutfittersinc.com/guardian-bug-net.html
>
> sandy in miami
>
>
> --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Sandy Kramer" <sandykayak@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi, Otto...there is a huge difference in the netting...there are teeny
flying insects called "no see'ums" (because they are so small you can hardly see
them), also called gnats, that can make your life perfectly miserable if you
only have regular mosquito netting.
> >
> > One gal was almost eaten alive in south florida...the gnats went through the
mesh of her tent.  And I had the same problem in the netting of my canvas popup
camper.
> >
> > you definitely need no see 'um mesh.  Also, darker netting is easier to see
out of.
> >
> > you have a point about the mosquitos biting through the fabric...one of the
sites (can't remember which, right now) sells a separate mosquito (need to see
if it's no see 'um mesh) that is like a huge bag and the hammock is suspended in
between.  i'll see if i can find the URL.
> >
> > sandy in miami, fl who grew up in Venezuela.
> >
> >
> >
>

I'll answer your questions as you present them:

1. The difference between mosquito and no-see-um is that the mosquito, if you
look closely, only has small squares....it's enough to keep out mosquitos and
most other bugs. However, if you look at the no-see-um (that's a general name
for several of really, really small bugs here in North America) it has that
square, but look closer and you'll see two more strands crossing that square
making the holes in the netting even smaller, keeping even smaller bugs out. 
Even up here, where we do have no-see-ums everywhere, being off the ground has
helped keep many bugs out, and the mosquito netting has done a fine job doing
what it's supposed to do.

2. The Claytor hammock has a double bottom, so bugs biting through isn't such a
problem. I've never been bitten on my underside in the Claytor. Now, that may
not be the case if you bought a hammock that had only one layer--in that case
the bugs may be able to bite through, though, I haven't experienced that yet. If
you want netting all around (it's going to be more expensive!) then the ENO
hammock does have such a set up. It's got a separate net that drapes around the
entire hammock, top and bottom.

3. You can use any product--silicone based, or not---to waterproof your tarp (I
know the diamond isn't waterproofed---at least not good enough, but I'm not sure
if the bigger one is already water proofed or not, so if yoiu're getting the
bigger one, you can skip this step---but email Tom Claytor for more info. on
this one!)---you can use any product designed to waterproof camping gear. Just
keep in mind, though, that you're not sealing seams (in the case of the diamond
fly, at least, since it has no ridgeline seam), you're sealing in the entire
fabric.



   ----- Original Message -----
   From: proteorio
   To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 10:03 AM
   Subject: [Hammock Camping] Re: Hammock for Brazil and South America





   Hi Tom
   I taught that to buy a larger tarp the "Big Rain Fly" it's OK. The set will be
only kg. 0,400 heavier, but with more room and the price only 30$ more that's
acceptable.
   About the netting :
   1 - which is the difference between 'mosquito netting' and not 'no-see-um
netting'?
   2 - Another problem involving tropical mosquitoes is that the bait trough the
hammock's bottom. For that would be better to have a mosquito net over the
hammock and one foot from the bottom . What about the Claytor Jungle Hammock ?.

   About the tarp:
   3 - because in Brazil there are not many products for waterproofing, products
from McNett (http://www.mcnett.com/Seam-Sealing-Gear-Repair-C142.aspx) are good
for that ? or is possible to use any silicon spray can to do it ?
   Thanks for the many advices
   Otto

   --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Frazier" <wildewudu@...> wrote:
   >
   > Otto:
   >
   >
   > Rodney pretty much hit nearly all the points in his response, but I'll fill
in a few blanks and give you my opinion since this was actually my first hammock
(now I just make my own!). I'm actually planning on a family hammock camping
trip and I've loaned my Claytor Jungle Hammock to my father...this will be his
first hammock camping experience, so I do have the utmost confidence in the
Jungle Hammock!
   >
   > As far as pricing and affordability, you really can't go wrong with the
Claytor Jungle Hammock. I can't buy the materials to make the set up he sells
for less than what he sells his product at retail---so it is a really good price
for what it is. What originally sold me was the fact that you can spread the
netting out so you don't feel so closed in and the netting stays off your face!
   >
   > As Rodney suggest, I'd probably email Tom Claytor about getting the Jungle
Hammock with the larger square tarp he sells for better coverage. You *will*
have to waterproof the diamond tarp that comes with the Jungle Hammock set up
and you can use the same products you use to waterproof your tent....now, I'm
not talking about sealing the seams (the way the diamond tarp is made, there is
no top seam that you have to seal anyways!), you have to actually waterproof the
entire tarp before you plan on using it. It is made of nylon taffetta, so it's a
little on the heavy side, but really isn't that bad, actually.
   >
   > The diamond fly has good coverage from rain pouring straight down, but if
you have any wind or any rain coming at any angle you run the risk of getting
wet and cold. There is a way to prevent that from happening with the diamond
fly, of course, and that is to lower the bottom ends of the tarp all the way
down so that it sandwiches you in the hammock---but that also means you don't
have any wiggle room and no room to cook under the tarp while it's raining.
Personally, I like being as comfortable as possible, so if you're going to get
this model of hammock, I'd get the larger square tarp he sells with the hammock
instead of the diamond tarp. You'll be more flexible this way, and his tarps are
still green, so they won't be an eyesore in the jungle!
   >
   > As to the width of the hammock and laying straight---I've had no problems
sleeping in whatever position I want. It's very comfortable and the liner on the
inside of the hammock feels nice against the skin, but also helps wick away any
moisture that may build up inside. The only issue with the width is that you
need to play with how it hangs more than you would with a wider hammock. Most of
the wider hammocks you can have more sag, so they look more like a banana shape
when no one's in it, but because this hammock is not as wide, you may find
you'll need to set it up with less of a sag to lay flatter in it, but I've had
no problems with it and I have yet to read any bad reviews of the hammock. The
only shortcomings I've noticed I already posted in this thread.
   >
   > There is one more thing, though, but it's a matter of preference. The cords
that come with the hammock are a little on the heavy side and they *will*
stretch if you tie the hammock up too far between trees...I've got a picture my
wife took of me sleeping in my jungle hammock after the straps stretched
overnight...I ended up waking up barely an inch off the ground the next morning!
This was only a problem because I went as far as I could go between to two far
apart from each other. I later upgraded my suspension system to include one inch
wide webbing (you can buy that from Ed Speer for really cheap...around $8.50 USD
www.speerhammocks.com ) and a cinch buckle. I *love* this suspension set up;
it's much faster to set up and easier to adjust; but the suspension system is
something that you can upgrade at a later time. If you're just looking for an
affordable set up I don't think you can go wrong with the jungle hammock you're
looking at--just be aware of the limitations of the tarp!! If you upgrade the
tarp, then that would eliminate that particular [in my opinion] weak point.
   >
   > Good luck!!
   >
   >
   > Tom
   >
   >
   >
   >
   > ----- Original Message -----
   > From: proteorio
   > To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
   > Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 3:18 PM
   > Subject: [Hammock Camping] Re: Hammock for Brazil and South America
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   > Hi Tom
   > Nice to meet you and thanks for the answer.
   > I was impressed by the Mosquito Hammock, the Jungle model. Look's like to
have many good features: is double layer and accept a camping pad, can lay on
the ground if no trees are available, has camouflage color that is very good for
stealth camping, and in Brazil is better not to be seen, the price is good and
he send for free worldwide.
   > Two things are my concern:
   > 1- the width of the hammock only 4' (cm. 300x125) and is written
"comfortable for a person up to 7' 5" and 350 pounds". This wide it's enough for
side sleeping?
   > 2 - Why the tarp is so bad ? - it is possible to waterproof with silicon or
same of the stuff used for tents sealing ? The JRB Cat Tarp is $ 105 and the
Speer Winter Tarp is $ 119. Alones are costing like the hammock( not counting
the shipping) and this option is not . I have to stick to the tarp who cams long
wit the Jungle.
   > Do you know of some major drawback of the Jungle model ?
   > I'm really interested in this model.
   > otto
   >
   > --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Frazier" <wildewudu@> wrote:
   > >
   > > Claytors have double bottoms too: www.mosquitohammock.com so you can shove
a pad in them as well. The fly for this hammock would need to be water proofed
though, or replace it with another tarp like the Hammock Hut
www.jacksrbetter.com or the Speer Winter Tarp www.speerhammocks.com
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > > ----- Original Message -----
   > > From: Otto Mateus
   > > To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
   > > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 12:25 PM
   > > Subject: [Hammock Camping] Hammock for Brazil and South America
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > > Hi Liz,
   > > Nice to meet you and thanks for the answer.
   > > I visited all sites you mentioned in the message. There are all very
interesting and are very good places to learn new ideas and tricks. Me too I
have a home workshop where I can make o modify many of the things I need.
   > > Looks a little tricky all this hand work especially on a brand new (and
expensive) hammock .A double layer hammock sound more interesting and rational..
I can stick my Therm-a-rest Ultralight pad underneath. But at the moment neither
Clark (pockets can be considered double layer?) or Hennessy offer a full double
layer .I will try to visit more sites in the Internet
   > > I never though about sleeping diagonally. The hammock I made I was keeping
very taught with two yacht pulleys. It was like sleeping on a bed. But
everything was heavy and I did get cold.
   > > I will do others tests on a local made cotton hammock
   > > Thanks for the wishes I hope to find the right one very soon.
   > > Otto
   > >
   > > Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados
   > > http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com
   > >
   > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
   > >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
   >





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They also claim that the hammock body is waterproof as well...but I cannot see
any DWR, or other, coating and the rainfly most definitely will leak---based on
my experience. It's just nylon tafetta, and I put it through the same test as I
did my silnylon and it didn't hold up as well. Others have had similar
experiences.


T3




   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Sandy Kramer
   To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 10:06 AM
   Subject: [Hammock Camping] Re: Hammock for Brazil and South America






   This is confusing..so, the Claytor Jungle Hammock and the Mosquito Jungle
Hammock are the same. How can anyone possibly sell a hammock with a tarp that's
not waterproof? According to the site, it IS waterproof. I agree it's on the
small side but having to waterproof the whole fabric of a fly seems crazy.
here's from the website.

   <<DIAMOND RAIN FLY (3x4m.)
   Design: This fly is designed for our Jungle Hammock, but some people like it
and wish to order it separately. The Diamond design gives maximum coverage to
the hammock with minimum surface area and only two lines to stake down (the
other two are tied to the trees above the hammock). It is narrow at the ends
(near the tree) where the hammock is higher, and it is wider in the middle where
the hammock is lower. You can adjust the mid-sections to a low point for maximum
rain protection, or you can pull the mid-sections out to allow a breeze and
protection from the sun. The Diamond Fly comes in Camouflage color only. It is
100% waterproof Polyurethane coated Nylon designed for very rainy conditions.
(photo: Rick Ashworth). Color: Camouflage. Stuff Sack: Camouflage. Material: 244
ripstop Nylon. Rain Sheet Dimensions: Diamond shape - 400cm long x 300cm wide &
250cm along each side (13' long x 10' wide). Weight: .6kg. (1.2lb.). MORE
PICTURES.
   COST: US$45.>>

   sandy in miami

   --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Frazier" <wildewudu@...> wrote:
   >
   > Otto:
   >
   >
   > Rodney pretty much hit nearly all the points in his response, but I'll fill
in a few blanks and give you my opinion since this was actually my first hammock
(now I just make my own!). I'm actually planning on a family hammock camping
trip and I've loaned my Claytor Jungle Hammock to my father...this will be his
first hammock camping experience, so I do have the utmost confidence in the
Jungle Hammock!
   >
   > As far as pricing and affordability, you really can't go wrong with the
Claytor Jungle Hammock. I can't buy the materials to make the set up he sells
for less than what he sells his product at retail---so it is a really good price
for what it is. What originally sold me was the fact that you can spread the
netting out so you don't feel so closed in and the netting stays off your face!
   >
   > As Rodney suggest, I'd probably email Tom Claytor about getting the Jungle
Hammock with the larger square tarp he sells for better coverage. You *will*
have to waterproof the diamond tarp that comes with the Jungle Hammock set up
and you can use the same products you use to waterproof your tent....now, I'm
not talking about sealing the seams (the way the diamond tarp is made, there is
no top seam that you have to seal anyways!), you have to actually waterproof the
entire tarp before you plan on using it. It is made of nylon taffetta, so it's a
little on the heavy side, but really isn't that bad, actually.
   >
   > The diamond fly has good coverage from rain pouring straight down, but if
you have any wind or any rain coming at any angle you run the risk of getting
wet and cold. There is a way to prevent that from happening with the diamond
fly, of course, and that is to lower the bottom ends of the tarp all the way
down so that it sandwiches you in the hammock---but that also means you don't
have any wiggle room and no room to cook under the tarp while it's raining.
Personally, I like being as comfortable as possible, so if you're going to get
this model of hammock, I'd get the larger square tarp he sells with the hammock
instead of the diamond tarp. You'll be more flexible this way, and his tarps are
still green, so they won't be an eyesore in the jungle!
   >
   > As to the width of the hammock and laying straight---I've had no problems
sleeping in whatever position I want. It's very comfortable and the liner on the
inside of the hammock feels nice against the skin, but also helps wick away any
moisture that may build up inside. The only issue with the width is that you
need to play with how it hangs more than you would with a wider hammock. Most of
the wider hammocks you can have more sag, so they look more like a banana shape
when no one's in it, but because this hammock is not as wide, you may find
you'll need to set it up with less of a sag to lay flatter in it, but I've had
no problems with it and I have yet to read any bad reviews of the hammock. The
only shortcomings I've noticed I already posted in this thread.
   >
   > There is one more thing, though, but it's a matter of preference. The cords
that come with the hammock are a little on the heavy side and they *will*
stretch if you tie the hammock up too far between trees...I've got a picture my
wife took of me sleeping in my jungle hammock after the straps stretched
overnight...I ended up waking up barely an inch off the ground the next morning!
This was only a problem because I went as far as I could go between to two far
apart from each other. I later upgraded my suspension system to include one inch
wide webbing (you can buy that from Ed Speer for really cheap...around $8.50 USD
www.speerhammocks.com ) and a cinch buckle. I *love* this suspension set up;
it's much faster to set up and easier to adjust; but the suspension system is
something that you can upgrade at a later time. If you're just looking for an
affordable set up I don't think you can go wrong with the jungle hammock you're
looking at--just be aware of the limitations of the tarp!! If you upgrade the
tarp, then that would eliminate that particular [in my opinion] weak point.
   >
   > Good luck!!
   >
   >
   > Tom
   >
   >
   >
   >
   > ----- Original Message -----
   > From: proteorio
   > To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
   > Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 3:18 PM
   > Subject: [Hammock Camping] Re: Hammock for Brazil and South America
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   > Hi Tom
   > Nice to meet you and thanks for the answer.
   > I was impressed by the Mosquito Hammock, the Jungle model. Look's like to
have many good features: is double layer and accept a camping pad, can lay on
the ground if no trees are available, has camouflage color that is very good for
stealth camping, and in Brazil is better not to be seen, the price is good and
he send for free worldwide.
   > Two things are my concern:
   > 1- the width of the hammock only 4' (cm. 300x125) and is written
"comfortable for a person up to 7' 5" and 350 pounds". This wide it's enough for
side sleeping?
   > 2 - Why the tarp is so bad ? - it is possible to waterproof with silicon or
same of the stuff used for tents sealing ? The JRB Cat Tarp is $ 105 and the
Speer Winter Tarp is $ 119. Alones are costing like the hammock( not counting
the shipping) and this option is not . I have to stick to the tarp who cams long
wit the Jungle.
   > Do you know of some major drawback of the Jungle model ?
   > I'm really interested in this model.
   > otto
   >
   > --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Frazier" <wildewudu@> wrote:
   > >
   > > Claytors have double bottoms too: www.mosquitohammock.com so you can shove
a pad in them as well. The fly for this hammock would need to be water proofed
though, or replace it with another tarp like the Hammock Hut
www.jacksrbetter.com or the Speer Winter Tarp www.speerhammocks.com
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > > ----- Original Message -----
   > > From: Otto Mateus
   > > To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
   > > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 12:25 PM
   > > Subject: [Hammock Camping] Hammock for Brazil and South America
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > > Hi Liz,
   > > Nice to meet you and thanks for the answer.
   > > I visited all sites you mentioned in the message. There are all very
interesting and are very good places to learn new ideas and tricks. Me too I
have a home workshop where I can make o modify many of the things I need.
   > > Looks a little tricky all this hand work especially on a brand new (and
expensive) hammock .A double layer hammock sound more interesting and rational..
I can stick my Therm-a-rest Ultralight pad underneath. But at the moment neither
Clark (pockets can be considered double layer?) or Hennessy offer a full double
layer .I will try to visit more sites in the Internet
   > > I never though about sleeping diagonally. The hammock I made I was keeping
very taught with two yacht pulleys. It was like sleeping on a bed. But
everything was heavy and I did get cold.
   > > I will do others tests on a local made cotton hammock
   > > Thanks for the wishes I hope to find the right one very soon.
   > > Otto
   > >
   > > Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados
   > > http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com
   > >
   > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
   > >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
   >





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Been a lurker, but gotta say, my Claytor Jungle Hammock is not waterproof in any
way, and the diamond tarp has held up to extremely hard rains with no leaks at
all.  Perhaps there are inconsistencies.  I know there have been mixed reviews
on Hammockforums.


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   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Tom Frazier
   To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 6:30 PM
   Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Re: Hammock for Brazil and South America





   They also claim that the hammock body is waterproof as well...but I cannot see
any DWR, or other, coating and the rainfly most definitely will leak---based on
my experience. It's just nylon tafetta, and I put it through the same test as I
did my silnylon and it didn't hold up as well. Others have had similar
experiences.

   T3

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Sandy Kramer
   To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 10:06 AM
   Subject: [Hammock Camping] Re: Hammock for Brazil and South America

   This is confusing..so, the Claytor Jungle Hammock and the Mosquito Jungle
Hammock are the same. How can anyone possibly sell a hammock with a tarp that's
not waterproof? According to the site, it IS waterproof. I agree it's on the
small side but having to waterproof the whole fabric of a fly seems crazy.
here's from the website.

   <<DIAMOND RAIN FLY (3x4m.)
   Design: This fly is designed for our Jungle Hammock, but some people like it
and wish to order it separately. The Diamond design gives maximum coverage to
the hammock with minimum surface area and only two lines to stake down (the
other two are tied to the trees above the hammock). It is narrow at the ends
(near the tree) where the hammock is higher, and it is wider in the middle where
the hammock is lower. You can adjust the mid-sections to a low point for maximum
rain protection, or you can pull the mid-sections out to allow a breeze and
protection from the sun. The Diamond Fly comes in Camouflage color only. It is
100% waterproof Polyurethane coated Nylon designed for very rainy conditions.
(photo: Rick Ashworth). Color: Camouflage. Stuff Sack: Camouflage. Material: 244
ripstop Nylon. Rain Sheet Dimensions: Diamond shape - 400cm long x 300cm wide &
250cm along each side (13' long x 10' wide). Weight: .6kg. (1.2lb.). MORE
PICTURES.
   COST: US$45.>>

   sandy in miami

   --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Frazier" <wildewudu@...> wrote:
   >
   > Otto:
   >
   >
   > Rodney pretty much hit nearly all the points in his response, but I'll fill
in a few blanks and give you my opinion since this was actually my first hammock
(now I just make my own!). I'm actually planning on a family hammock camping
trip and I've loaned my Claytor Jungle Hammock to my father...this will be his
first hammock camping experience, so I do have the utmost confidence in the
Jungle Hammock!
   >
   > As far as pricing and affordability, you really can't go wrong with the
Claytor Jungle Hammock. I can't buy the materials to make the set up he sells
for less than what he sells his product at retail---so it is a really good price
for what it is. What originally sold me was the fact that you can spread the
netting out so you don't feel so closed in and the netting stays off your face!
   >
   > As Rodney suggest, I'd probably email Tom Claytor about getting the Jungle
Hammock with the larger square tarp he sells for better coverage. You *will*
have to waterproof the diamond tarp that comes with the Jungle Hammock set up
and you can use the same products you use to waterproof your tent....now, I'm
not talking about sealing the seams (the way the diamond tarp is made, there is
no top seam that you have to seal anyways!), you have to actually waterproof the
entire tarp before you plan on using it. It is made of nylon taffetta, so it's a
little on the heavy side, but really isn't that bad, actually.
   >
   > The diamond fly has good coverage from rain pouring straight down, but if
you have any wind or any rain coming at any angle you run the risk of getting
wet and cold. There is a way to prevent that from happening with the diamond
fly, of course, and that is to lower the bottom ends of the tarp all the way
down so that it sandwiches you in the hammock---but that also means you don't
have any wiggle room and no room to cook under the tarp while it's raining.
Personally, I like being as comfortable as possible, so if you're going to get
this model of hammock, I'd get the larger square tarp he sells with the hammock
instead of the diamond tarp. You'll be more flexible this way, and his tarps are
still green, so they won't be an eyesore in the jungle!
   >
   > As to the width of the hammock and laying straight---I've had no problems
sleeping in whatever position I want. It's very comfortable and the liner on the
inside of the hammock feels nice against the skin, but also helps wick away any
moisture that may build up inside. The only issue with the width is that you
need to play with how it hangs more than you would with a wider hammock. Most of
the wider hammocks you can have more sag, so they look more like a banana shape
when no one's in it, but because this hammock is not as wide, you may find
you'll need to set it up with less of a sag to lay flatter in it, but I've had
no problems with it and I have yet to read any bad reviews of the hammock. The
only shortcomings I've noticed I already posted in this thread.
   >
   > There is one more thing, though, but it's a matter of preference. The cords
that come with the hammock are a little on the heavy side and they *will*
stretch if you tie the hammock up too far between trees...I've got a picture my
wife took of me sleeping in my jungle hammock after the straps stretched
overnight...I ended up waking up barely an inch off the ground the next morning!
This was only a problem because I went as far as I could go between to two far
apart from each other. I later upgraded my suspension system to include one inch
wide webbing (you can buy that from Ed Speer for really cheap...around $8.50 USD
www.speerhammocks.com ) and a cinch buckle. I *love* this suspension set up;
it's much faster to set up and easier to adjust; but the suspension system is
something that you can upgrade at a later time. If you're just looking for an
affordable set up I don't think you can go wrong with the jungle hammock you're
looking at--just be aware of the limitations of the tarp!! If you upgrade the
tarp, then that would eliminate that particular [in my opinion] weak point.
   >
   > Good luck!!
   >
   >
   > Tom
   >
   >
   >
   >
   > ----- Original Message -----
   > From: proteorio
   > To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
   > Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 3:18 PM
   > Subject: [Hammock Camping] Re: Hammock for Brazil and South America
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   > Hi Tom
   > Nice to meet you and thanks for the answer.
   > I was impressed by the Mosquito Hammock, the Jungle model. Look's like to
have many good features: is double layer and accept a camping pad, can lay on
the ground if no trees are available, has camouflage color that is very good for
stealth camping, and in Brazil is better not to be seen, the price is good and
he send for free worldwide.
   > Two things are my concern:
   > 1- the width of the hammock only 4' (cm. 300x125) and is written
"comfortable for a person up to 7' 5" and 350 pounds". This wide it's enough for
side sleeping?
   > 2 - Why the tarp is so bad ? - it is possible to waterproof with silicon or
same of the stuff used for tents sealing ? The JRB Cat Tarp is $ 105 and the
Speer Winter Tarp is $ 119. Alones are costing like the hammock( not counting
the shipping) and this option is not . I have to stick to the tarp who cams long
wit the Jungle.
   > Do you know of some major drawback of the Jungle model ?
   > I'm really interested in this model.
   > otto
   >
   > --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Frazier" <wildewudu@> wrote:
   > >
   > > Claytors have double bottoms too: www.mosquitohammock.com so you can shove
a pad in them as well. The fly for this hammock would need to be water proofed
though, or replace it with another tarp like the Hammock Hut
www.jacksrbetter.com or the Speer Winter Tarp www.speerhammocks.com
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > > ----- Original Message -----
   > > From: Otto Mateus
   > > To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
   > > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 12:25 PM
   > > Subject: [Hammock Camping] Hammock for Brazil and South America
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > > Hi Liz,
   > > Nice to meet you and thanks for the answer.
   > > I visited all sites you mentioned in the message. There are all very
interesting and are very good places to learn new ideas and tricks. Me too I
have a home workshop where I can make o modify many of the things I need.
   > > Looks a little tricky all this hand work especially on a brand new (and
expensive) hammock .A double layer hammock sound more interesting and rational..
I can stick my Therm-a-rest Ultralight pad underneath. But at the moment neither
Clark (pockets can be considered double layer?) or Hennessy offer a full double
layer .I will try to visit more sites in the Internet
   > > I never though about sleeping diagonally. The hammock I made I was keeping
very taught with two yacht pulleys. It was like sleeping on a bed. But
everything was heavy and I did get cold.
   > > I will do others tests on a local made cotton hammock
   > > Thanks for the wishes I hope to find the right one very soon.
   > > Otto
   > >
   > > Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados
   > > http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com
   > >
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I don't think having the hammock itself waterproof is necessarily a good thing -
you would lose breathability and it would be much hotter...does Tom Claytor
check this forum?  I've changed the topic to catch his eye.

But how can someone sell tarps that absolutely must be waterproof and others
recommend complete waterproofing?  I certainly wouldn't feel comfortable with
something I'd sprayed waterproofing on...you are not sure if you covered each
inch...plus that's a lot of effort and money.

does he sell the tent without the tarp???

PS...what pleasant memories came forward with your Wind in the Willows quote. 
thanks

sandy in miami


--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "David Ball, RiverJourneys, Inc."
<riverjourneys@...> wrote:
>
> Been a lurker, but gotta say, my Claytor Jungle Hammock is not waterproof in
any way, and the diamond tarp has held up to extremely hard rains with no leaks
at all.  Perhaps there are inconsistencies.  I know there have been mixed
reviews on Hammockforums.
>
>
> David and Cara Lawson-Ball
> RiverJourneys Inc.
>
>
> `Nice? It's the only thing,' said the Water Rat solemnly, as he leant forward
for his stroke. `Believe me, my young friend, there is nothing -- absolute
nothing -- half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats. Simply
messing,' he went on dreamily: `messing -- about -- in -- boats; messing -- --
>
> Wind in the Willows
>
> 574-535-3623
> http://www.riverjourneys.org
> riverjourneys@...
>
> Dedicated to providing our customers personal growth,
> team building, and leadership development through outdoor adventure.
>
> Rivers know this: there is no hurry. We shall get there some day.
> Winnie the Pooh
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Tom Frazier
>   To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 6:30 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Re: Hammock for Brazil and South America
>
>
>
>
>
>   They also claim that the hammock body is waterproof as well...but I cannot
see any DWR, or other, coating and the rainfly most definitely will leak---based
on my experience. It's just nylon tafetta, and I put it through the same test as
I did my silnylon and it didn't hold up as well. Others have had similar
experiences.
>
>   T3
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Sandy Kramer
>   To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 10:06 AM
>   Subject: [Hammock Camping] Re: Hammock for Brazil and South America
>
>   This is confusing..so, the Claytor Jungle Hammock and the Mosquito Jungle
Hammock are the same. How can anyone possibly sell a hammock with a tarp that's
not waterproof? According to the site, it IS waterproof. I agree it's on the
small side but having to waterproof the whole fabric of a fly seems crazy.
here's from the website.
>
>   <<DIAMOND RAIN FLY (3x4m.)
>   Design: This fly is designed for our Jungle Hammock, but some people like it
and wish to order it separately. The Diamond design gives maximum coverage to
the hammock with minimum surface area and only two lines to stake down (the
other two are tied to the trees above the hammock). It is narrow at the ends
(near the tree) where the hammock is higher, and it is wider in the middle where
the hammock is lower. You can adjust the mid-sections to a low point for maximum
rain protection, or you can pull the mid-sections out to allow a breeze and
protection from the sun. The Diamond Fly comes in Camouflage color only. It is
100% waterproof Polyurethane coated Nylon designed for very rainy conditions.
(photo: Rick Ashworth). Color: Camouflage. Stuff Sack: Camouflage. Material: 244
ripstop Nylon. Rain Sheet Dimensions: Diamond shape - 400cm long x 300cm wide &
250cm along each side (13' long x 10' wide). Weight: .6kg. (1.2lb.). MORE
PICTURES.
>   COST: US$45.>>
>
>   sandy in miami
>
>   --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Frazier" <wildewudu@> wrote:
>   >
>   > Otto:
>   >
>   >
>   > Rodney pretty much hit nearly all the points in his response, but I'll
fill in a few blanks and give you my opinion since this was actually my first
hammock (now I just make my own!). I'm actually planning on a family hammock
camping trip and I've loaned my Claytor Jungle Hammock to my father...this will
be his first hammock camping experience, so I do have the utmost confidence in
the Jungle Hammock!
>   >
>   > As far as pricing and affordability, you really can't go wrong with the
Claytor Jungle Hammock. I can't buy the materials to make the set up he sells
for less than what he sells his product at retail---so it is a really good price
for what it is. What originally sold me was the fact that you can spread the
netting out so you don't feel so closed in and the netting stays off your face!
>   >
>   > As Rodney suggest, I'd probably email Tom Claytor about getting the Jungle
Hammock with the larger square tarp he sells for better coverage. You *will*
have to waterproof the diamond tarp that comes with the Jungle Hammock set up
and you can use the same products you use to waterproof your tent....now, I'm
not talking about sealing the seams (the way the diamond tarp is made, there is
no top seam that you have to seal anyways!), you have to actually waterproof the
entire tarp before you plan on using it. It is made of nylon taffetta, so it's a
little on the heavy side, but really isn't that bad, actually.
>   >
>   > The diamond fly has good coverage from rain pouring straight down, but if
you have any wind or any rain coming at any angle you run the risk of getting
wet and cold. There is a way to prevent that from happening with the diamond
fly, of course, and that is to lower the bottom ends of the tarp all the way
down so that it sandwiches you in the hammock---but that also means you don't
have any wiggle room and no room to cook under the tarp while it's raining.
Personally, I like being as comfortable as possible, so if you're going to get
this model of hammock, I'd get the larger square tarp he sells with the hammock
instead of the diamond tarp. You'll be more flexible this way, and his tarps are
still green, so they won't be an eyesore in the jungle!
>   >
>   > As to the width of the hammock and laying straight---I've had no problems
sleeping in whatever position I want. It's very comfortable and the liner on the
inside of the hammock feels nice against the skin, but also helps wick away any
moisture that may build up inside. The only issue with the width is that you
need to play with how it hangs more than you would with a wider hammock. Most of
the wider hammocks you can have more sag, so they look more like a banana shape
when no one's in it, but because this hammock is not as wide, you may find
you'll need to set it up with less of a sag to lay flatter in it, but I've had
no problems with it and I have yet to read any bad reviews of the hammock. The
only shortcomings I've noticed I already posted in this thread.
>   >
>   > There is one more thing, though, but it's a matter of preference. The
cords that come with the hammock are a little on the heavy side and they *will*
stretch if you tie the hammock up too far between trees...I've got a picture my
wife took of me sleeping in my jungle hammock after the straps stretched
overnight...I ended up waking up barely an inch off the ground the next morning!
This was only a problem because I went as far as I could go between to two far
apart from each other. I later upgraded my suspension system to include one inch
wide webbing (you can buy that from Ed Speer for really cheap...around $8.50 USD
www.speerhammocks.com ) and a cinch buckle. I *love* this suspension set up;
it's much faster to set up and easier to adjust; but the suspension system is
something that you can upgrade at a later time. If you're just looking for an
affordable set up I don't think you can go wrong with the jungle hammock you're
looking at--just be aware of the limitations of the tarp!! If you upgrade the
tarp, then that would eliminate that particular [in my opinion] weak point.
>   >
>   > Good luck!!
>   >
>   >
>   > Tom
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > ----- Original Message -----
>   > From: proteorio
>   > To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
>   > Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 3:18 PM
>   > Subject: [Hammock Camping] Re: Hammock for Brazil and South America
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > Hi Tom
>   > Nice to meet you and thanks for the answer.
>   > I was impressed by the Mosquito Hammock, the Jungle model. Look's like to
have many good features: is double layer and accept a camping pad, can lay on
the ground if no trees are available, has camouflage color that is very good for
stealth camping, and in Brazil is better not to be seen, the price is good and
he send for free worldwide.
>   > Two things are my concern:
>   > 1- the width of the hammock only 4' (cm. 300x125) and is written
"comfortable for a person up to 7' 5" and 350 pounds". This wide it's enough for
side sleeping?
>   > 2 - Why the tarp is so bad ? - it is possible to waterproof with silicon
or same of the stuff used for tents sealing ? The JRB Cat Tarp is $ 105 and the
Speer Winter Tarp is $ 119. Alones are costing like the hammock( not counting
the shipping) and this option is not . I have to stick to the tarp who cams long
wit the Jungle.
>   > Do you know of some major drawback of the Jungle model ?
>   > I'm really interested in this model.
>   > otto
>   >
>   > --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Frazier" <wildewudu@> wrote:
>   > >
>   > > Claytors have double bottoms too: www.mosquitohammock.com so you can
shove a pad in them as well. The fly for this hammock would need to be water
proofed though, or replace it with another tarp like the Hammock Hut
www.jacksrbetter.com or the Speer Winter Tarp www.speerhammocks.com
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > ----- Original Message -----
>   > > From: Otto Mateus
>   > > To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
>   > > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 12:25 PM
>   > > Subject: [Hammock Camping] Hammock for Brazil and South America
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > Hi Liz,
>   > > Nice to meet you and thanks for the answer.
>   > > I visited all sites you mentioned in the message. There are all very
interesting and are very good places to learn new ideas and tricks. Me too I
have a home workshop where I can make o modify many of the things I need.
>   > > Looks a little tricky all this hand work especially on a brand new (and
expensive) hammock .A double layer hammock sound more interesting and rational..
I can stick my Therm-a-rest Ultralight pad underneath. But at the moment neither
Clark (pockets can be considered double layer?) or Hennessy offer a full double
layer .I will try to visit more sites in the Internet
>   > > I never though about sleeping diagonally. The hammock I made I was
keeping very taught with two yacht pulleys. It was like sleeping on a bed. But
everything was heavy and I did get cold.
>   > > I will do others tests on a local made cotton hammock
>   > > Thanks for the wishes I hope to find the right one very soon.
>   > > Otto
>   > >
>   > > Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados
>   > > http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com
>   > >
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Sandy and others,

I am not sure about consistency or otherwise, I just know my hammock is
breathable and my rainfly was waterproof.  I treat all my rainflys
annually by simply applying a coat of spray silicone waterproofing often
found at discount store camping sections as well as other outlets like
campmor and find it quite effective at restoring waterproofness.  It is
not expensive at all.  I also use when needed a water based seam sealer
on stitching, although I have found that just spraying those areas a
little more intensely does the job.

Everyone has different experiences depending on climate, material etc.
I do not envy Tom in trying to maintain absolute quality control from
Thailand because of the economic and political climate.  I do think his
products are very reasonable and may require some adjustments.  There
are a lot of other values out there in the hammocking world as well,
made in the United States to boot.

No matter what piece of gear I buy, I end up tweaking it in some way.  I
add my touches to it, experiment with it, and adapt it to uses of river
travel in northern Michigan.  Besides, it gives me an excuse to putz in
my garage full of gear while I drink a beer and listen to Neil Young.
The only thing better is being in the woods.

I am glad you enjoyed the Wind in the Willows quote, there truly is
nothing . . . messing in boats. . . nothing.

>>> FILE riverjourneys.mwconnections.com.___signature___

On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 11:04 AM , Sandy Kramer wrote:



I don't think having the hammock itself waterproof is necessarily a good
thing - you would lose breathability and it would be much hotter...does
Tom Claytor check this forum?  I've changed the topic to catch his eye.

But how can someone sell tarps that absolutely must be waterproof and
others recommend complete waterproofing?  I certainly wouldn't feel
comfortable with something I'd sprayed waterproofing on...you are not
sure if you covered each inch...plus that's a lot of effort and money.

does he sell the tent without the tarp???

PS...what pleasant memories came forward with your Wind in the Willows
quote.  thanks

sandy in miami

--- In hammockcamping@ yahoogroups. com
<mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com> , "David Ball, RiverJourneys,
Inc." <riverjourneys@ ...> wrote:
>
> Been a lurker, but gotta say, my Claytor Jungle Hammock is not
> waterproof in any way, and the diamond tarp has held up to extremely
> hard rains with no leaks at all.  Perhaps there are inconsistencies.
> I know there have been mixed reviews on Hammockforums.
>
> David and Cara Lawson-Ball RiverJourneys Inc.
>
> `Nice? It's the only thing,' said the Water Rat solemnly, as he leant
> forward for his stroke. `Believe me, my young friend, there is nothing
> -- absolute nothing -- half so much worth doing as simply messing
> about in boats. Simply messing,' he went on dreamily: `messing --
> about -- in -- boats; messing -- --
> Wind in the Willows
> 574-535-3623 http://www.riverjou rneys.org
> <http://www.riverjourneys.org> riverjourneys@ ...
> Dedicated to providing our customers personal growth, team building,
> and leadership development through outdoor adventure.
> Rivers know this: there is no hurry. We shall get there some day.
> Winnie the Pooh
>   ----- Original Message -----   From: Tom Frazier   To:
> hammockcamping@ yahoogroups. com
> <mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com>   Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009
> 6:30 PM   Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Re: Hammock for Brazil and
> South America
>
>
>
>
>   They also claim that the hammock body is waterproof as well...but I
> cannot see any DWR, or other, coating and the rainfly most definitely
> will leak---based on my experience. It's just nylon tafetta, and I put
> it through the same test as I did my silnylon and it didn't hold up as
> well. Others have had similar experiences.
>   T3
>   ----- Original Message -----   From: Sandy Kramer   To:
> hammockcamping@ yahoogroups. com
> <mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com>   Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009
> 10:06 AM   Subject: [Hammock Camping] Re: Hammock for Brazil and South
> America
>   This is confusing..so, the Claytor Jungle Hammock and the Mosquito
> Jungle Hammock are the same. How can anyone possibly sell a hammock
> with a tarp that's not waterproof? According to the site, it IS
> waterproof. I agree it's on the small side but having to waterproof
> the whole fabric of a fly seems crazy. here's from the website.
>   <<DIAMOND RAIN FLY (3x4m.)   Design: This fly is designed for our
> Jungle Hammock, but some people like it and wish to order it
> separately. The Diamond design gives maximum coverage to the hammock
> with minimum surface area and only two lines to stake down (the other
> two are tied to the trees above the hammock). It is narrow at the ends
> (near the tree) where the hammock is higher, and it is wider in the
> middle where the hammock is lower. You can adjust the mid-sections to
> a low point for maximum rain protection, or you can pull the
> mid-sections out to allow a breeze and protection from the sun. The
> Diamond Fly comes in Camouflage color only. It is 100% waterproof
> Polyurethane coated Nylon designed for very rainy conditions. (photo:
> Rick Ashworth). Color: Camouflage. Stuff Sack: Camouflage. Material:
> 244 ripstop Nylon. Rain Sheet Dimensions: Diamond shape - 400cm long x
> 300cm wide & 250cm along each side (13' long x 10' wide). Weight:
> .6kg. (1.2lb.). MORE PICTURES.   COST: US$45.>>
>   sandy in miami
>   --- In hammockcamping@ yahoogroups. com
> <mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com> , "Tom Frazier" <wildewudu@>
> wrote:
>>
>> Otto:
>>
>> Rodney pretty much hit nearly all the points in his response, but
>> I'll fill in a few blanks and give you my opinion since this was
>> actually my first hammock (now I just make my own!). I'm actually
>> planning on a family hammock camping trip and I've loaned my Claytor
>> Jungle Hammock to my father...this will be his first hammock camping
>> experience, so I do have the utmost confidence in the Jungle Hammock!
>> As far as pricing and affordability, you really can't go wrong with
>> the Claytor Jungle Hammock. I can't buy the materials to make the set
>> up he sells for less than what he sells his product at retail---so it
>> is a really good price for what it is. What originally sold me was
>> the fact that you can spread the netting out so you don't feel so
>> closed in and the netting stays off your face!
>> As Rodney suggest, I'd probably email Tom Claytor about getting the
>> Jungle Hammock with the larger square tarp he sells for better
>> coverage. You *will* have to waterproof the diamond tarp that comes
>> with the Jungle Hammock set up and you can use the same products you
>> use to waterproof your tent....now, I'm not talking about sealing the
>> seams (the way the diamond tarp is made, there is no top seam that
>> you have to seal anyways!), you have to actually waterproof the
>> entire tarp before you plan on using it. It is made of nylon
>> taffetta, so it's a little on the heavy side, but really isn't that
>> bad, actually.
>> The diamond fly has good coverage from rain pouring straight down,
>> but if you have any wind or any rain coming at any angle you run the
>> risk of getting wet and cold. There is a way to prevent that from
>> happening with the diamond fly, of course, and that is to lower the
>> bottom ends of the tarp all the way down so that it sandwiches you in
>> the hammock---but that also means you don't have any wiggle room and
>> no room to cook under the tarp while it's raining. Personally, I like
>> being as comfortable as possible, so if you're going to get this
>> model of hammock, I'd get the larger square tarp he sells with the
>> hammock instead of the diamond tarp. You'll be more flexible this
>> way, and his tarps are still green, so they won't be an eyesore in
>> the jungle!
>> As to the width of the hammock and laying straight---I' ve had no
>> problems sleeping in whatever position I want. It's very comfortable
>> and the liner on the inside of the hammock feels nice against the
>> skin, but also helps wick away any moisture that may build up inside.
>> The only issue with the width is that you need to play with how it
>> hangs more than you would with a wider hammock. Most of the wider
>> hammocks you can have more sag, so they look more like a banana shape
>> when no one's in it, but because this hammock is not as wide, you may
>> find you'll need to set it up with less of a sag to lay flatter in
>> it, but I've had no problems with it and I have yet to read any bad
>> reviews of the hammock. The only shortcomings I've noticed I already
>> posted in this thread.
>> There is one more thing, though, but it's a matter of preference. The
>> cords that come with the hammock are a little on the heavy side and
>> they *will* stretch if you tie the hammock up too far between
>> trees...I've got a picture my wife took of me sleeping in my jungle
>> hammock after the straps stretched overnight... I ended up waking up
>> barely an inch off the ground the next morning! This was only a
>> problem because I went as far as I could go between to two far apart
>> from each other. I later upgraded my suspension system to include one
>> inch wide webbing (you can buy that from Ed Speer for really
>> cheap...around $8.50 USD www.speerhammocks. com ) and a cinch buckle.
>> I *love* this suspension set up; it's much faster to set up and
>> easier to adjust; but the suspension system is something that you can
>> upgrade at a later time. If you're just looking for an affordable set
>> up I don't think you can go wrong with the jungle hammock you're
>> looking at--just be aware of the limitations of the tarp!! If you
>> upgrade the tarp, then that would eliminate that particular [in my
>> opinion] weak point.
>> Good luck!!
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: proteorio To: hammockcamping@
>> yahoogroups. com <mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com> Sent:
>> Friday, May 08, 2009 3:18 PM Subject: [Hammock Camping] Re: Hammock
>> for Brazil and South America
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Tom Nice to meet you and thanks for the answer. I was impressed by
>> the Mosquito Hammock, the Jungle model. Look's like to have many good
>> features: is double layer and accept a camping pad, can lay on the
>> ground if no trees are available, has camouflage color that is very
>> good for stealth camping, and in Brazil is better not to be seen, the
>> price is good and he send for free worldwide. Two things are my
>> concern: 1- the width of the hammock only 4' (cm. 300x125) and is
>> written "comfortable for a person up to 7' 5" and 350 pounds". This
>> wide it's enough for side sleeping? 2 - Why the tarp is so bad ? - it
>> is possible to waterproof with silicon or same of the stuff used for
>> tents sealing ? The JRB Cat Tarp is $ 105 and the Speer Winter Tarp
>> is $ 119. Alones are costing like the hammock( not counting the
>> shipping) and this option is not . I have to stick to the tarp who
>> cams long wit the Jungle. Do you know of some major drawback of the
>> Jungle model ? I'm really interested in this model. otto
>> --- In hammockcamping@ yahoogroups. com
>> <mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com> , "Tom Frazier" <wildewudu@>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Claytors have double bottoms too: www.mosquitohammock .com so you
>>> can shove a pad in them as well. The fly for this hammock would need
>>> to be water proofed though, or replace it with another tarp like the
>>> Hammock Hut www.jacksrbetter. com or the Speer Winter Tarp
>>> www.speerhammocks. com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Otto Mateus To: hammockcamping@
>>> yahoogroups. com <mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com> Sent:
>>> Wednesday, May 06, 2009 12:25 PM Subject: [Hammock Camping] Hammock
>>> for Brazil and South America
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Liz, Nice to meet you and thanks for the answer. I visited all
>>> sites you mentioned in the message. There are all very interesting
>>> and are very good places to learn new ideas and tricks. Me too I
>>> have a home workshop where I can make o modify many of the things I
>>> need. Looks a little tricky all this hand work especially on a brand
>>> new (and expensive) hammock .A double layer hammock sound more
>>> interesting and rational.. I can stick my Therm-a-rest Ultralight
>>> pad underneath. But at the moment neither Clark (pockets can be
>>> considered double layer?) or Hennessy offer a full double layer .I
>>> will try to visit more sites in the Internet I never though about
>>> sleeping diagonally. The hammock I made I was keeping very taught
>>> with two yacht pulleys. It was like sleeping on a bed. But
>>> everything was heavy and I did get cold. I will do others tests on a
>>> local made cotton hammock Thanks for the wishes I hope to find the
>>> right one very soon. Otto
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Hi Otto,

As an owner of a Hennessy and a Blackbird, I can tell you that the Blackbird is
much roomier and has features that other hammocks do not that are surprisingly
beneficial. I like that I do not have to do anything to the Blackbird to make it
easier to use, like changing the suspension or adding a zipper; many many
Hennessy users are modifying their hammock to have a side zipper and ring
buckles on the suspension. The Blackbird has both and also a shelf, which is a
great way to store all those little items plus a water bottle, socks, etc. The
footbox is more storage for clothing items besides being used as a footbox.

Experienced hammockers who get the Blackbird rave about it. I have only ever
seen a single person nitpick small features of the hammock - he didn't like the
things that the rest of us were raving about. So while it is certainly not a
guarantee that you would find it worked for you, I'd doubt you would find
anything major to complain about. I'm 5'7" and cannot be uncomfortable in the
Blackbird, no matter how I roll around - I sleep on my side or in combo
positions (side/back). I have a large homemade tarp that works great for storms
and a MacCat Deluxe for summer/spring. With a large tarp with four tie outs to a
side, you can close down the ends over the hammock and have a pretty good
shelter. If you have not seen the youtube videos featuring the Blackbird you can
search for the Warbonnet Blackbird and find users impressions that are much more
useful in highlighting the features of it than the Warbonnet website.

If you really want to see reviews of all the hammocks, go to hammockforums.net -
there are subforums for each brand of hammock. YOu will find Clark, Claytor,
Hennessy and other hammocks discussed and re-discussed and examined in detail.
Also tarps and insulation options galore.

Good luck in your search for the perfect hammock!

Lori

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "proteorio" <proteorio@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Rod,
> I visited the Warbonnet Blackbird site. Seems a very good model. A little bit
expensive with the tarp. I think a double layers hammock is better. It's easy to
find a suitable insulation pad and can be used as a camping pad when sleeping on
the ground if trees are not available..
> During my research for hammocks I was impressed by the Mosquito Hammock (Tom
Claytor http://www.mosquitohammock.com/), the Jungle model. Look's like to have
many good features: is double layer and accept a camping pad, can lay on the
ground if no trees are available, has camouflage color that is very good for
stealth camping, and in Brazil is better not to be seen, the price is good and
he send for free worldwide.  I will try to find out if there is some major
drawback.
> Thanks for the wishes
> Otto
>
>

I really think it would be hard for a mosquito to bite through my Warbonnet
Blackbird. It is a dual layer 1.7 thickness, which is still light enough at 31
ounces (878 grams), yet thick enough to keep mosquitos at bay. Also should you
choose to put a pad in the pocket, it would definitely rule out any bites from
the bottom side. The Blackbird does come with the no see-um netting across the
top. The ridgeline keeps the netting plenty far away from your face while in the
hammock. He also sells the Traveler hammock which does not have the attached
zippered netting, but the cocoon type can be ordered separately off the website
as well.--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Sandy Kramer" <sandykayak@...>
wrote:
>
>
> Here's another one....only $40, but it appears that you will need several
trees as it has four tie-outs...good for spreading the netting open, but not
sure how to attach.  Perhaps someone else has used one of these?
>
> In addition to my Byer's of Maine Moskito Traveller, I have a Treklight double
that doesn't have any mesh, so I'm interested.
>
> any comments on comparing this one with the ENO one I posted before?
>
> which one would you buy?
>
>
http://www.joessports.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1472652&CAWELAID=103771021
>
> sandy in miami
>
> --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Sandy Kramer" <sandykayak@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Otto, this is the separate mosquito netting option I was talking about. 
It's not very easy to see/understand in their photo, but at the bottom right
there are diagrams.
> >
> > These are a good addition to a regular hammock that doesn't come with
netting....or one that has regular netting and not no see'um mesh.
> >
> > http://www.eaglesnestoutfittersinc.com/guardian-bug-net.html
> >
> > sandy in miami
> >
> >
> > --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Sandy Kramer" <sandykayak@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi, Otto...there is a huge difference in the netting...there are teeny
flying insects called "no see'ums" (because they are so small you can hardly see
them), also called gnats, that can make your life perfectly miserable if you
only have regular mosquito netting.
> > >
> > > One gal was almost eaten alive in south florida...the gnats went through
the mesh of her tent.  And I had the same problem in the netting of my canvas
popup camper.
> > >
> > > you definitely need no see 'um mesh.  Also, darker netting is easier to
see out of.
> > >
> > > you have a point about the mosquitos biting through the fabric...one of
the sites (can't remember which, right now) sells a separate mosquito (need to
see if it's no see 'um mesh) that is like a huge bag and the hammock is
suspended in between.  i'll see if i can find the URL.
> > >
> > > sandy in miami, fl who grew up in Venezuela.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

I think we've been hanging our hammocks wrong all these years.

http://dornob.com/modern-outdoor-hammock-better-than-a-bed/


I've been usng trees....

Ralph


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>I think we've been hanging our hammocks wrong all these years.
> http://dornob.com/modern-outdoor-hammock-better-than-a-bed/

That looks expensive...

> I've been usng trees....

Does your wife know?

Shane

Looks like a fancy cot!  ;o)


T3



   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Ralph Oborn
   To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 8:35 PM
   Subject: [Hammock Camping] Hey folks





   I think we've been hanging our hammocks wrong all these years.

   http://dornob.com/modern-outdoor-hammock-better-than-a-bed/

   I've been usng trees....

   Ralph

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But maybe a bit hard to carry around, uh...

/p-a

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, Ralph Oborn <Ralph.oborn@...> wrote:
>
> I think we've been hanging our hammocks wrong all these years.
>
> http://dornob.com/modern-outdoor-hammock-better-than-a-bed/
>
>
> I've been usng trees....
>
> Ralph
>
>
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>

Betcha it would be tons of fun in a high wind, huh?  So, aside from the
artsy design elegance factor, what's it good for?  It's bolted to the
ground for obvious reasons, so the canopy is pretty much for show.  You
can't move it around to minimize/maximize sun or breeze exposure.
Otherwise, it looks like a plain ol' hammock ready for wind surfing.

Maybe it's bolted to the ground so it won't get stolen by people who
think it spoils the view.  I dunno.

As an aside, I used my Hennessy hammock over Memorial Day weekend (for
the first time ever).  First night was interesting, as I experimented
with sleeping positions and waited for the lines to stretch out a bit.
Second night was great.

Anybody have any tips for getting dressed in a hammock? LOL!  I worked
out a system of my own, but somebody else might have a better idea.

Ratty

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Frazier <wildewudu@...>
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 27 May 2009 1:53 am
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Hey folks








Looks like a fancy cot!  ;o)



T3



----- Original Message -----

   From: Ralph Oborn

   To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com

   Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 8:35 PM

   Subject: [Hammock Camping] Hey folks



I think we've been hanging our hammocks wrong all these years.



http://dornob.com/modern-outdoo
r-hammock-better-than-a-bed/



I've been usng trees....



Ralph



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     n

I have one of Tom's Hammocks. I don't need a waterproof hammock. I do want the
fly to keep the water from above off of me. Here in Minnesota I DO want to keep
the bugs out. Tom's hammock with it's diamond shaped fly does just that. No
condensation either. The best shelter I could have at 1540 grams.


--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, David Ball <riverjourneys@...> wrote:
>
>
> Sandy and others,
>
> I am not sure about consistency or otherwise, I just know my hammock is
> breathable and my rainfly was waterproof.  I treat all my rainflys
> annually by simply applying a coat of spray silicone waterproofing often
> I do not envy Tom in trying to maintain absolute quality control from
> Thailand because of the economic and political climate.  I do think his
> products are very reasonable and may require some adjustments.  There
> are a lot of other values out there in the hammocking world as well,
> made in the United States to boot.
>
> No matter what piece of gear I buy, I end up tweaking it in some way.  I
> add my touches to it, experiment with it, and adapt it to uses of river
> travel in northern Michigan.  Besides, it gives me an excuse to putz in
> my garage full of gear while I drink a beer and listen to Neil Young.
> The only thing better is being in the woods.
>
> I am glad you enjoyed the Wind in the Willows quote, there truly is
> nothing . . . messing in boats. . . nothing.
>
> >>> FILE riverjourneys.mwconnections.com.___signature___
>
> On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 11:04 AM , Sandy Kramer wrote:
>
>
>
> I don't think having the hammock itself waterproof is necessarily a good
> thing - you would lose breathability and it would be much hotter...does
> Tom Claytor check this forum?  I've changed the topic to catch his eye.
>
> But how can someone sell tarps that absolutely must be waterproof and
> others recommend complete waterproofing?  I certainly wouldn't feel
> comfortable with something I'd sprayed waterproofing on...you are not
> sure if you covered each inch...plus that's a lot of effort and money.
>
> does he sell the tent without the tarp???
>
> PS...what pleasant memories came forward with your Wind in the Willows
> quote.  thanks
>
> sandy in miami
>
> --- In hammockcamping@ yahoogroups. com
> <mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com> , "David Ball, RiverJourneys,
> Inc." <riverjourneys@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Been a lurker, but gotta say, my Claytor Jungle Hammock is not
> > waterproof in any way, and the diamond tarp has held up to extremely
> > hard rains with no leaks at all.  Perhaps there are inconsistencies.
> > I know there have been mixed reviews on Hammockforums.
> >
> > David and Cara Lawson-Ball RiverJourneys Inc.
> >
> > `Nice? It's the only thing,' said the Water Rat solemnly, as he leant
> > forward for his stroke. `Believe me, my young friend, there is nothing
> > -- absolute nothing -- half so much worth doing as simply messing
> > about in boats. Simply messing,' he went on dreamily: `messing --
> > about -- in -- boats; messing -- --
> > Wind in the Willows
> > 574-535-3623 http://www.riverjou rneys.org
> > <http://www.riverjourneys.org> riverjourneys@ ...
> > Dedicated to providing our customers personal growth, team building,
> > and leadership development through outdoor adventure.
> > Rivers know this: there is no hurry. We shall get there some day.
> > Winnie the Pooh
> >   ----- Original Message -----   From: Tom Frazier   To:
> > hammockcamping@ yahoogroups. com
> > <mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com>   Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009
> > 6:30 PM   Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Re: Hammock for Brazil and
> > South America
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >   They also claim that the hammock body is waterproof as well...but I
> > cannot see any DWR, or other, coating and the rainfly most definitely
> > will leak---based on my experience. It's just nylon tafetta, and I put
> > it through the same test as I did my silnylon and it didn't hold up as
> > well. Others have had similar experiences.
> >   T3
> >   ----- Original Message -----   From: Sandy Kramer   To:
> > hammockcamping@ yahoogroups. com
> > <mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com>   Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009
> > 10:06 AM   Subject: [Hammock Camping] Re: Hammock for Brazil and South
> > America
> >   This is confusing..so, the Claytor Jungle Hammock and the Mosquito
> > Jungle Hammock are the same. How can anyone possibly sell a hammock
> > with a tarp that's not waterproof? According to the site, it IS
> > waterproof. I agree it's on the small side but having to waterproof
> > the whole fabric of a fly seems crazy. here's from the website.
> >   <<DIAMOND RAIN FLY (3x4m.)   Design: This fly is designed for our
> > Jungle Hammock, but some people like it and wish to order it
> > separately. The Diamond design gives maximum coverage to the hammock
> > with minimum surface area and only two lines to stake down (the other
> > two are tied to the trees above the hammock). It is narrow at the ends
> > (near the tree) where the hammock is higher, and it is wider in the
> > middle where the hammock is lower. You can adjust the mid-sections to
> > a low point for maximum rain protection, or you can pull the
> > mid-sections out to allow a breeze and protection from the sun. The
> > Diamond Fly comes in Camouflage color only. It is 100% waterproof
> > Polyurethane coated Nylon designed for very rainy conditions. (photo:
> > Rick Ashworth). Color: Camouflage. Stuff Sack: Camouflage. Material:
> > 244 ripstop Nylon. Rain Sheet Dimensions: Diamond shape - 400cm long x
> > 300cm wide & 250cm along each side (13' long x 10' wide). Weight:
> > .6kg. (1.2lb.). MORE PICTURES.   COST: US$45.>>
> >   sandy in miami
> >   --- In hammockcamping@ yahoogroups. com
> > <mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com> , "Tom Frazier" <wildewudu@>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Otto:
> >>
> >> Rodney pretty much hit nearly all the points in his response, but
> >> I'll fill in a few blanks and give you my opinion since this was
> >> actually my first hammock (now I just make my own!). I'm actually
> >> planning on a family hammock camping trip and I've loaned my Claytor
> >> Jungle Hammock to my father...this will be his first hammock camping
> >> experience, so I do have the utmost confidence in the Jungle Hammock!
> >> As far as pricing and affordability, you really can't go wrong with
> >> the Claytor Jungle Hammock. I can't buy the materials to make the set
> >> up he sells for less than what he sells his product at retail---so it
> >> is a really good price for what it is. What originally sold me was
> >> the fact that you can spread the netting out so you don't feel so
> >> closed in and the netting stays off your face!
> >> As Rodney suggest, I'd probably email Tom Claytor about getting the
> >> Jungle Hammock with the larger square tarp he sells for better
> >> coverage. You *will* have to waterproof the diamond tarp that comes
> >> with the Jungle Hammock set up and you can use the same products you
> >> use to waterproof your tent....now, I'm not talking about sealing the
> >> seams (the way the diamond tarp is made, there is no top seam that
> >> you have to seal anyways!), you have to actually waterproof the
> >> entire tarp before you plan on using it. It is made of nylon
> >> taffetta, so it's a little on the heavy side, but really isn't that
> >> bad, actually.
> >> The diamond fly has good coverage from rain pouring straight down,
> >> but if you have any wind or any rain coming at any angle you run the
> >> risk of getting wet and cold. There is a way to prevent that from
> >> happening with the diamond fly, of course, and that is to lower the
> >> bottom ends of the tarp all the way down so that it sandwiches you in
> >> the hammock---but that also means you don't have any wiggle room and
> >> no room to cook under the tarp while it's raining. Personally, I like
> >> being as comfortable as possible, so if you're going to get this
> >> model of hammock, I'd get the larger square tarp he sells with the
> >> hammock instead of the diamond tarp. You'll be more flexible this
> >> way, and his tarps are still green, so they won't be an eyesore in
> >> the jungle!
> >> As to the width of the hammock and laying straight---I' ve had no
> >> problems sleeping in whatever position I want. It's very comfortable
> >> and the liner on the inside of the hammock feels nice against the
> >> skin, but also helps wick away any moisture that may build up inside.
> >> The only issue with the width is that you need to play with how it
> >> hangs more than you would with a wider hammock. Most of the wider
> >> hammocks you can have more sag, so they look more like a banana shape
> >> when no one's in it, but because this hammock is not as wide, you may
> >> find you'll need to set it up with less of a sag to lay flatter in
> >> it, but I've had no problems with it and I have yet to read any bad
> >> reviews of the hammock. The only shortcomings I've noticed I already
> >> posted in this thread.
> >> There is one more thing, though, but it's a matter of preference. The
> >> cords that come with the hammock are a little on the heavy side and
> >> they *will* stretch if you tie the hammock up too far between
> >> trees...I've got a picture my wife took of me sleeping in my jungle
> >> hammock after the straps stretched overnight... I ended up waking up
> >> barely an inch off the ground the next morning! This was only a
> >> problem because I went as far as I could go between to two far apart
> >> from each other. I later upgraded my suspension system to include one
> >> inch wide webbing (you can buy that from Ed Speer for really
> >> cheap...around $8.50 USD www.speerhammocks. com ) and a cinch buckle.
> >> I *love* this suspension set up; it's much faster to set up and
> >> easier to adjust; but the suspension system is something that you can
> >> upgrade at a later time. If you're just looking for an affordable set
> >> up I don't think you can go wrong with the jungle hammock you're
> >> looking at--just be aware of the limitations of the tarp!! If you
> >> upgrade the tarp, then that would eliminate that particular [in my
> >> opinion] weak point.
> >> Good luck!!
> >>
> >> Tom
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: proteorio To: hammockcamping@
> >> yahoogroups. com <mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com> Sent:
> >> Friday, May 08, 2009 3:18 PM Subject: [Hammock Camping] Re: Hammock
> >> for Brazil and South America
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Tom Nice to meet you and thanks for the answer. I was impressed by
> >> the Mosquito Hammock, the Jungle model. Look's like to have many good
> >> features: is double layer and accept a camping pad, can lay on the
> >> ground if no trees are available, has camouflage color that is very
> >> good for stealth camping, and in Brazil is better not to be seen, the
> >> price is good and he send for free worldwide. Two things are my
> >> concern: 1- the width of the hammock only 4' (cm. 300x125) and is
> >> written "comfortable for a person up to 7' 5" and 350 pounds". This
> >> wide it's enough for side sleeping? 2 - Why the tarp is so bad ? - it
> >> is possible to waterproof with silicon or same of the stuff used for
> >> tents sealing ? The JRB Cat Tarp is $ 105 and the Speer Winter Tarp
> >> is $ 119. Alones are costing like the hammock( not counting the
> >> shipping) and this option is not . I have to stick to the tarp who
> >> cams long wit the Jungle. Do you know of some major drawback of the
> >> Jungle model ? I'm really interested in this model. otto
> >> --- In hammockcamping@ yahoogroups. com
> >> <mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com> , "Tom Frazier" <wildewudu@>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Claytors have double bottoms too: www.mosquitohammock .com so you
> >>> can shove a pad in them as well. The fly for this hammock would need
> >>> to be water proofed though, or replace it with another tarp like the
> >>> Hammock Hut www.jacksrbetter. com or the Speer Winter Tarp
> >>> www.speerhammocks. com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Otto Mateus To: hammockcamping@
> >>> yahoogroups. com <mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com> Sent:
> >>> Wednesday, May 06, 2009 12:25 PM Subject: [Hammock Camping] Hammock
> >>> for Brazil and South America
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hi Liz, Nice to meet you and thanks for the answer. I visited all
> >>> sites you mentioned in the message. There are all very interesting
> >>> and are very good places to learn new ideas and tricks. Me too I
> >>> have a home workshop where I can make o modify many of the things I
> >>> need. Looks a little tricky all this hand work especially on a brand
> >>> new (and expensive) hammock .A double layer hammock sound more
> >>> interesting and rational.. I can stick my Therm-a-rest Ultralight
> >>> pad underneath. But at the moment neither Clark (pockets can be
> >>> considered double layer?) or Hennessy offer a full double layer .I
> >>> will try to visit more sites in the Internet I never though about
> >>> sleeping diagonally. The hammock I made I was keeping very taught
> >>> with two yacht pulleys. It was like sleeping on a bed. But
> >>> everything was heavy and I did get cold. I will do others tests on a
> >>> local made cotton hammock Thanks for the wishes I hope to find the
> >>> right one very soon. Otto
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--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, Ralph Oborn <Ralph.oborn@...> wrote:
>
> I think we've been hanging our hammocks wrong all these years.
>
> http://dornob.com/modern-outdoor-hammock-better-than-a-bed/
>
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> I've been usng trees....
>
> Ralph
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Carrying weight, not suitable for woodland use, price, etc....

Looks nice, but doesnt fit in a day pack like my Hennessy.

ratsmouth@... wrote:
>  Anybody have any tips for getting dressed in a hammock? LOL! I worked
>  out a system of my own, but somebody else might have a better idea.

I lie on my back and wiggle out of one set of clothes and then wiggle
into another. If there's other folks around, I make sure my tarp sides
are low. If I'm feeling particularly shy, I drape my sleeping bag across
me over the sides of the hammock.
Kind of like yoga in a sling.

liz young in rescue ca

Well, before I had the JRB Hammock Hut and didn't have to worry about privacy
(used this for the first time last weekened...just awesome!), I would just sit
on the edge of my hammock and do my business there....with occasional peeks out
either side of the hammock to make sure no one would see me. haha. To change my
pants/shorts I'd half-stand, unbutton and pull down half way, then sit and lean
back in the hammock to pull them the rest of the way off. I"d have my sleeping
bag with me, so if I needed emergency cover up I'd have it handy...to get
dressed, I just reversed the process.


T3




   ----- Original Message -----
   From: ratsmouth@...
   To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 4:29 AM
   Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Hey folks





   Betcha it would be tons of fun in a high wind, huh? So, aside from the
   artsy design elegance factor, what's it good for? It's bolted to the
   ground for obvious reasons, so the canopy is pretty much for show. You
   can't move it around to minimize/maximize sun or breeze exposure.
   Otherwise, it looks like a plain ol' hammock ready for wind surfing.

   Maybe it's bolted to the ground so it won't get stolen by people who
   think it spoils the view. I dunno.

   As an aside, I used my Hennessy hammock over Memorial Day weekend (for
   the first time ever). First night was interesting, as I experimented
   with sleeping positions and waited for the lines to stretch out a bit.
   Second night was great.

   Anybody have any tips for getting dressed in a hammock? LOL! I worked
   out a system of my own, but somebody else might have a better idea.

   Ratty

   -----Original Message-----
   From: Tom Frazier <wildewudu@...>
   To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wed, 27 May 2009 1:53 am
   Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Hey folks

   Looks like a fancy cot! ;o)

   T3

   ----- Original Message -----

   From: Ralph Oborn

   To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com

   Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 8:35 PM

   Subject: [Hammock Camping] Hey folks

   I think we've been hanging our hammocks wrong all these years.

   http://dornob.com/modern-outdoo
   r-hammock-better-than-a-bed/

   I've been usng trees....

   Ralph

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Yeah, that's pretty much what I was doing, except that I figured out
that if I pull my pants most of the way up and then just give them one
more tug when I stand up, I'm pretty well screened by the opening of
the Hennessy Hammock.  I can also change my shirt while standing "in
the hole" without attracting a lot of attention.  Love this hammock!  I
didn't want to get out of bed Monday morning when it was time to pack
up.  Good thing I had made Monkey Bread for breakfast the night before,
so all I had to do was boil some water and toss the aluminum foil
package of Monkey Bread in the ashes of last night's fire to warm it
up.  I'm pretty much sold on my hammock.

Ratty

-----Original Message-----
From: Elizabeth Young <lizyoung@...>
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 27 May 2009 1:19 pm
Subject: dressing was Re: [Hammock Camping] Hey folks








ratsmouth@... wrote:

>  Anybody have any tips for getting dressed in a hammock? LOL! I
worked

>  out a system of my own, but somebody else might have a better
idea.



I lie on my back and wiggle out of one set of clothes and then wiggle

into another. If there's other folks around, I make sure my tarp sides

are low. If I'm feeling particularly shy, I drape my sleeping bag
across

me over the sides of the hammock.

Kind of like yoga in a sling.=0
D



liz young in rescue ca

























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Monkey Bread?




________________________________
From: "ratsmouth@..." <ratsmouth@...>
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 5:08:47 PM
Subject: Re: dressing was Re: [Hammock Camping] Hey folks





Yeah, that's pretty much what I was doing, except that I figured out
that if I pull my pants most of the way up and then just give them one
more tug when I stand up, I'm pretty well screened by the opening of
the Hennessy Hammock. I can also change my shirt while standing "in
the hole" without attracting a lot of attention. Love this hammock! I
didn't want to get out of bed Monday morning when it was time to pack
up. Good thing I had made Monkey Bread for breakfast the night before,
so all I had to do was boil some water and toss the aluminum foil
package of Monkey Bread in the ashes of last night's fire to warm it
up. I'm pretty much sold on my hammock.

Ratty

-----Original Message-----
From: Elizabeth Young <lizyoung@fenris. net>
To: hammockcamping@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wed, 27 May 2009 1:19 pm
Subject: dressing was Re: [Hammock Camping] Hey folks

ratsmouth@aol. com wrote:

> Anybody have any tips for getting dressed in a hammock? LOL! I
worked

> out a system of my own, but somebody else might have a better
idea.

I lie on my back and wiggle out of one set of clothes and then wiggle

into another. If there's other folks around, I make sure my tarp sides

are low. If I'm feeling particularly shy, I drape my sleeping bag
across

me over the sides of the hammock.

Kind of like yoga in a sling.=0
D

liz young in rescue ca

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Yuh.  Easy to make, very yummy pull-apart bread.  I have an 8" Dutch
oven that goes most places with me (kayak and car camping), and Monkey
Bread has gotten to be sort of popular with my camping buddies, so I
make it almost every time we go anywhere.

Make a foil liner for Dutch oven (molded to fit the inside so the lid
will fit tight), remove liner to use while doing the prep work, preheat
Dutch oven.
Cut refrigerated biscuit dough (Pillsbury Grands or whatever) into
quarters, roll into balls and dip each in melted butter, roll in brown
sugar/cinnamon mixture.  Pour a little extra melted butter into the
foil liner and sprinkle some of the cinnamon/brown sugar in the bottom,
then add the dough balls in layers.
Put the liner and prepped Monkey Bread dough into the heated Dutch
oven, set over coals, cover, and add coals to lid.

Check in a few minutes (maybe 15-20).  When browned, pull liner and all
out of the Dutch oven, break out the butter, alert the hungry natives,
and pig out.

Can I hijack a thread, or what?

Ratty

-----Original Message-----
From: HAROLD STEELE <hsteele7@...>
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 27 May 2009 6:30 pm
Subject: Re: dressing was Re: [Hammock Camping] Hey folks


Monkey Bread?



________________________________

From: "ratsmouth@..." <ratsmouth@...>

To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009
  5:08:47 PM

Subject: Re: dressing was Re: [Hammock Camping] Hey folks



Yeah, that's pretty much what I was doing, except that I figured out

that if I pull my pants most of the way up and then just give them one

more tug when I stand up, I'm pretty well screened by the opening of

the Hennessy Hammock. I can also change my shirt while standing "in

the hole" without attracting a lot of attention. Love this hammock! I

didn't want to get out of bed Monday morning when it was time to pack

up. Good thing I had made Monkey Bread for breakfast the night before,

so all I had to do was boil some water and toss the aluminum foil

package of Monkey Bread in the ashes of last night's fire to warm it

up. I'm pretty much sold on my hammock.



Ratty



-----Original Message-----

From: Elizabeth Young <lizyoung@fenris. net>

To: hammockcamping@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Wed, 27 May 2009 1:19 pm

Subject: dressing was Re: [Hammock Camping] Hey folks



ratsmouth@aol. com wrote:



> Anybody have any tips for getting dressed in a hammock? LOL! I

worked



> out a system of my own, but somebody else might have a better

idea.



I lie on my back and wiggle out of one set of clothes and then wiggle



into another. If there's other folks around, I make sure my tarp sides




are low. If I'm feeling particularly shy, I drape my sleeping bag

across



me over the sides of the hammock.



Kind of like yoga in a sling.=0

D



liz young in rescue ca



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Actually I don't think this thread has been hijacked.  After all you can eat
Monkey Bread while getting dressed in your hammock.




________________________________
From: "ratsmouth@..." <ratsmouth@...>
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 6:02:38 PM
Subject: Re: Monkey bread, was dressing was Re: [Hammock Camping] Hey folks





Yuh. Easy to make, very yummy pull-apart bread. I have an 8" Dutch
oven that goes most places with me (kayak and car camping), and Monkey
Bread has gotten to be sort of popular with my camping buddies, so I
make it almost every time we go anywhere.

Make a foil liner for Dutch oven (molded to fit the inside so the lid
will fit tight), remove liner to use while doing the prep work, preheat
Dutch oven.
Cut refrigerated biscuit dough (Pillsbury Grands or whatever) into
quarters, roll into balls and dip each in melted butter, roll in brown
sugar/cinnamon mixture. Pour a little extra melted butter into the
foil liner and sprinkle some of the cinnamon/brown sugar in the bottom,
then add the dough balls in layers.
Put the liner and prepped Monkey Bread dough into the heated Dutch
oven, set over coals, cover, and add coals to lid.

Check in a few minutes (maybe 15-20). When browned, pull liner and all
out of the Dutch oven, break out the butter, alert the hungry natives,
and pig out.

Can I hijack a thread, or what?

Ratty

-----Original Message-----
From: HAROLD STEELE <hsteele7@bellsouth. net>
To: hammockcamping@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wed, 27 May 2009 6:30 pm
Subject: Re: dressing was Re: [Hammock Camping] Hey folks

Monkey Bread?

____________ _________ _________ __

From: "ratsmouth@aol. com" <ratsmouth@aol. com>

To: hammockcamping@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009
5:08:47 PM

Subject: Re: dressing was Re: [Hammock Camping] Hey folks

Yeah, that's pretty much what I was doing, except that I figured out

that if I pull my pants most of the way up and then just give them one

more tug when I stand up, I'm pretty well screened by the opening of

the Hennessy Hammock. I can also change my shirt while standing "in

the hole" without attracting a lot of attention. Love this hammock! I

didn't want to get out of bed Monday morning when it was time to pack

up. Good thing I had made Monkey Bread for breakfast the night before,

so all I had to do was boil some water and toss the aluminum foil

package of Monkey Bread in the ashes of last night's fire to warm it

up. I'm pretty much sold on my hammock.

Ratty

-----Original Message-----

From: Elizabeth Young <lizyoung@ fenris. net>

To: hammockcamping@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Wed, 27 May 2009 1:19 pm

Subject: dressing was Re: [Hammock Camping] Hey folks

ratsmouth@aol. com wrote:

> Anybody have any tips for getting dressed in a hammock? LOL! I

worked

> out a system of my own, but somebody else might have a better

idea.

I lie on my back and wiggle out of one set of clothes and then wiggle

into another. If there's other folks around, I make sure my tarp sides

are low. If I'm feeling particularly shy, I drape my sleeping bag

across

me over the sides of the hammock.

Kind of like yoga in a sling.=0

D

liz young in rescue ca

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Not sure if it was hijacked but you might get a few offers to go out camping
with folks.



On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 7:17 PM, HAROLD STEELE <hsteele7@...>wrote:

> Actually I don't think this thread has been hijacked.  After all you can
> eat Monkey Bread while getting dressed in your hammock.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "ratsmouth@..." <ratsmouth@...>
> To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 6:02:38 PM
> Subject: Re: Monkey bread, was dressing was Re: [Hammock Camping] Hey folks
>
>
>
>
>
> Yuh. Easy to make, very yummy pull-apart bread. I have an 8" Dutch
> oven that goes most places with me (kayak and car camping), and Monkey
> Bread has gotten to be sort of popular with my camping buddies, so I
> make it almost every time we go anywhere.
>
> Make a foil liner for Dutch oven (molded to fit the inside so the lid
> will fit tight), remove liner to use while doing the prep work, preheat
> Dutch oven.
> Cut refrigerated biscuit dough (Pillsbury Grands or whatever) into
> quarters, roll into balls and dip each in melted butter, roll in brown
> sugar/cinnamon mixture. Pour a little extra melted butter into the
> foil liner and sprinkle some of the cinnamon/brown sugar in the bottom,
> then add the dough balls in layers.
> Put the liner and prepped Monkey Bread dough into the heated Dutch
> oven, set over coals, cover, and add coals to lid.
>
> Check in a few minutes (maybe 15-20). When browned, pull liner and all
> out of the Dutch oven, break out the butter, alert the hungry natives,
> and pig out.
>
> Can I hijack a thread, or what?
>
> Ratty
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HAROLD STEELE <hsteele7@bellsouth. net>
> To: hammockcamping@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Wed, 27 May 2009 6:30 pm
> Subject: Re: dressing was Re: [Hammock Camping] Hey folks
>
> Monkey Bread?
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
>
> From: "ratsmouth@aol. com" <ratsmouth@aol. com>
>
> To: hammockcamping@ yahoogroups. com
>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009
> 5:08:47 PM
>
> Subject: Re: dressing was Re: [Hammock Camping] Hey folks
>
> Yeah, that's pretty much what I was doing, except that I figured out
>
> that if I pull my pants most of the way up and then just give them one
>
> more tug when I stand up, I'm pretty well screened by the opening of
>
> the Hennessy Hammock. I can also change my shirt while standing "in
>
> the hole" without attracting a lot of attention. Love this hammock! I
>
> didn't want to get out of bed Monday morning when it was time to pack
>
> up. Good thing I had made Monkey Bread for breakfast the night before,
>
> so all I had to do was boil some water and toss the aluminum foil
>
> package of Monkey Bread in the ashes of last night's fire to warm it
>
> up. I'm pretty much sold on my hammock.
>
> Ratty
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Elizabeth Young <lizyoung@ fenris. net>
>
> To: hammockcamping@ yahoogroups. com
>
> Sent: Wed, 27 May 2009 1:19 pm
>
> Subject: dressing was Re: [Hammock Camping] Hey folks
>
> ratsmouth@aol. com wrote:
>
> > Anybody have any tips for getting dressed in a hammock? LOL! I
>
> worked
>
> > out a system of my own, but somebody else might have a better
>
> idea.
>
> I lie on my back and wiggle out of one set of clothes and then wiggle
>
> into another. If there's other folks around, I make sure my tarp sides
>
> are low. If I'm feeling particularly shy, I drape my sleeping bag
>
> across
>
> me over the sides of the hammock.
>
> Kind of like yoga in a sling.=0
>
> D
>
> liz young in rescue ca
>
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I sleep in an oversized hospital gown with that on I can do what I want when I
want and I'm 'covered'. BTW I wear it with the opening in front and a belt or
string to keep it overlaped and closed.

  Sapere Aude,

Arye P. Rubenstein


Imagination is more important than knowledge...
It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education... Albert Einstein


----- Original Message -----
From: ratsmouth@aol. com
To: hammockcamping@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 4:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Hey folks


Anybody have any tips for getting dressed in a hammock? LOL! I worked
out a system of my own, but somebody else might have a better idea.

Ratty

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There is a big festival this weekend in Asheville, NC.

Here's a link:

http://www.mountainsportsfestival.com/


The Mountain Sports Festival has something for everyone!

The tentative events schedule is growing - so check back often!

Friday, May 29, 2009

  Time  Event Name  Location
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  5:00 - 6:00pm  Mountain Sprouts Kid's Climbing Competition Festival Village
  5:00 - 7:00pm  Black Dome's Rock to Rock Trail Run Black Mountain, NC
  5:00 - 10:00pm  Disc Golf Variety Show Festival Village
  5:30 - 6:00pm  Ultimate Throwing and Catching Clinic - FREE Festival Village
  5:00 - 8:00pm  Friday Night Crits - Cycling Races Festival Village
  6:00 - 6:30pm
   Merrell Iron Kid's Challenge - FREE Festival Village
  6:00 - 8:00pm  Women's Ultimate Hat Game Festival Village
  6:00 - 6:30pm  Kids Strong Man Comp - FREE Festival Village
  7:00 - 7:30pm  Merrell Iron Kid's Challenge - FREE Festival Village
  8:00 - 10:00pm  Men's Ultimate Hat Game Festival Village


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8:00am-5:00pm Mountain Disc Golf Experience Richmond Hill Course
8:15am Kid's Stampede 1k Fun Fun MLK Park, Asheville, NC
9:00am-12:00pm Mission Hospital Sunset Stampede 5K MLK Park, Asheville, NC
9:00am-12:00pm Mission Hospital Sunset Stampede 10-miler MLK Park, Asheville, NC
10:00am Climbmax Youth & Adult Climbing Comp Climbmax, Asheville, NC
10:00am High School Ultimate Tournament Festival Village
10:00am GRA Ducky the French Broad Trip - FREE Festival Village
10:00-10:30am Kids Scavenger Hunt - FREE Festival Village
10:00am Knots for Whitewater Clinic - FREE Festival Village
10:30am Bicycle Commuter Clinic - FREE Festival Village
11:00am Whitewater Rescue Rigging Clinic - FREE Festival Village
11:00-11:30am Kids Hula Hooping Clinic - FREE Festival Village
12:00-12:30pm Merrell Iron Kid's Challenge - FREE Festival Village
1:00pm Kid's Triathlon Race (ages 8-12)  TBA
1:00pm Winch Recovery Systems - FREE Festival Village
2:00-2:30pm Merrell Iron Kid's Challenge - FREE Festival Village
2:00pm Sport Rock Climbing Skills Clinic - FREE Festival Village
2:30pm Intro to Kayaking - FREE AOC - next to FV
4:00-4:30pm Merrell Iron Kid's Challenge - FREE Festival Village
4:00pm Non-Winch Recovery Systems Clinic -FREE Festival Village
4:00pm GRA Ducky the French Broad Trip - FREE Festival Village
5:00pm Throw Ropes for Whitewater Clinic - FREE Festival Village
5:00-5:30pm Kids Strong Man Comp - FREE Festival Village
6:00-6:30pm Merrell Iron Kid's Challenge - FREE Festival Village
6:00-9:30pm Highland Brewing's Goaltimate Tournament Festival Village
6:00pm Rock Climbing Cam Repair Clinic - FREE Festival Village
7:00-10:00pm Festival Skins - Disc Golf Festival Village
7:00pm Bicycle Maintenance Clinic - FREE Festival Village
7:30pm Backpacking & Equipment Skills Clinic - FREE Festival Village
8:30pm Bicycle Maintenance Clinic - FREE Festival Village


Sunday, May 31, 2009

8:00am-1:00pm  Mountain Disc Golf Experience  Richmond Hill Course
9:00am-1:30pm High School Ultimate Tournament Festival Village
9:00am-5:00pm Mountain Bike Demo - FREE Alexander Park
12:00pm Bicycle Maintenance Clinic - FREE Festival Village
12:30pm Backpacking and Equipment Skills Clinic - FREE Festival Village
1:00-5:00pm Urban Skins - Disc Golf Downtown Asheville, NC
1:00pm Intro to Kayaking Clinic - FREE AOC - next to FV
1:30-2:00pm Merrell Iron Kids Challenge - FREE Festival Village
1:30pm Winch Recovery Systems for Off Road Driving - FREE Festival Village
1:45-2:45pm Ultimate Clinic Throwing & Catching tips - FREE Festival Village
12:00-2:00pm Diamond Brand Family Kayak Relay Race
  AOC - next to FV
2:30pm Whitewater Rescue Rigging Clinic - FREE Festival Village
3:00-3:30pm Merrell Iron Kids Challenge - FREE Festival Village
3:00-6:00pm Ultimate Pick Up Game - FREE Festival Village