From the site:



A knot I use to attach the ends of my Hennessey

hammock<http://www.hennessyhammock.com/>to things. It holds well and

ties/unties easily when I want it to, even when

only finished with a single hitch as shown. The actual rope is thinner, and

the tree thicker than shown (this is 7mm rope and a coffee cup).





I like the way you use a coffee cup to hang your HH.



Please give more details, seems a lot easier than finding trees.   :]





Ralph





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Ralph Oborn said:

>> The actual rope is thinner, and the tree thicker than shown (this is

>> 7mm rope and a coffee cup).



> I like the way you use a coffee cup to hang your HH.

> Please give more details, seems a lot easier than finding trees.   :]



Down here in Australia we go for big. Surely you've heard of the big

banana, the big merino, the big doofus, we have them all. Including

Moz's big coffee cup.



What has surprised me is how rarely I've had to really hunt for trees.

A couple of times I've ground pitched the hammock as a mosquito

shelter, but even in the deserts here I've been able to find trees (or

structures) when I've needed them. There's a convenient truth - where

there's enough moisture to make the hammock useful there's enough

moisture to grow trees to hang it on. Barring intervention by

planet-raping morons, of course (we have them here too).



Moz

Hi Moz,



I like that knot.  It's basically a prussic with a clever way of tying

off.  Once tied, is it adjustable?



The pics are great--very clear.



CL



Moz wrote:

> Cara Lin Bridgman said:

>> I have tied bowline and an alpine butterfly knots in my Hennessey

>> Hammock spectra so I could use other ways of tying my hammock than the

>> Hennessey Wrap.  The Wrap was tedious and was causing some wear and tear

>> on the tree huggers.

>

> I played around with wrap-style knots and came up with one that's

> quick to tie and has worked well for me for a couple of years now.

> Have a go and let me know if it works for you:

>

> http://moz.net.nz/photo/2005/07/25-knot/

>

> If the pics don't make sense I can have another go, but the last

> person to ask did it just off those.

>

> Moz

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> Yahoo! Groups Links

>

>

>

>



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- probably too small

  - what would you bolt it to?

  - bear in mind that the horizontal forces on a hammock line can be

several times the actual weight of the person suspended in it.

bill keiser



> Looking through a sailing catalog, I came across this piece of

> hardware.  It looks like it would work on a hammock line -

>

> http://www.apsltd.com/Tree/d273000/e270515.asp

>

I was thinking that he had tying it to tree huggers or to the hammock

line itself...



CL



Bill Keiser wrote:

>  - probably too small

>  - what would you bolt it to?

>  - bear in mind that the horizontal forces on a hammock line can be

> several times the actual weight of the person suspended in it.

> bill keiser

>

>> Looking through a sailing catalog, I came across this piece of

>> hardware.  It looks like it would work on a hammock line -

>>

>> http://www.apsltd.com/Tree/d273000/e270515.asp

And often not exactly horizontal. ;o)







   ----- Original Message -----

   From: Bill Keiser

   To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com

   Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 7:06 AM

   Subject: [Hammock Camping] Re: would this work to hold line?





   - probably too small

   - what would you bolt it to?

   - bear in mind that the horizontal forces on a hammock line can be

   several times the actual weight of the person suspended in it.

   bill keiser



   > Looking through a sailing catalog, I came across this piece of

   > hardware. It looks like it would work on a hammock line -

   >

   > http://www.apsltd.com/Tree/d273000/e270515.asp

   >













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For almost the same price, you can get a pair of straps from JRB with their

new AL tri-glides.  I used them with a pair of lightweight climbing

carabiners to hang my HH in the Poconos a few weeks ago.



http://www.jacksrbetter.com/index_files/Hammock%20Strap%20Set.htm



I didn't do it the way they pictured it, I used the carabiners to secure the

strap around the tree, and made a strap loop with the tri-glide that the

HH's original lashing line was looped through.  Once it's up, you can adjust

length pretty easily through the tri-glide.



             ---Amy





On 8/5/08, Tom Frazier <wildewudu@...> wrote:

>

>   And often not exactly horizontal. ;o)

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Bill Keiser

> To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com <hammockcamping%40yahoogroups.com>

> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 7:06 AM

> Subject: [Hammock Camping] Re: would this work to hold line?

>

> - probably too small

> - what would you bolt it to?

> - bear in mind that the horizontal forces on a hammock line can be

> several times the actual weight of the person suspended in it.

> bill keiser

>

> > Looking through a sailing catalog, I came across this piece of

> > hardware. It looks like it would work on a hammock line -

> >

> > http://www.apsltd.com/Tree/d273000/e270515.asp

> >

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i don't understand, what is the matter with using a knot?

  a few years ago i went to a boat show. one of the booths there had a

buxom young lady promoting their product, a nylon device that fastened

two ropes together. basically it was a plastic split bolt like they

use for electrical cable.

  she fashionably demonstrated how it worked by inserting two ropes

into the slot and tightening the nut. when i asked her how that was

better than using a knot, the demonstration kind of came to an awkward

pause. she suggested that some people don't know how to tie knots. i

suggested that people like that have no business on a boat. she was

very nice and gave me a free sample. i have it around here somewhere.

i hope i can find it on a cold rainy night on the deck of a boat when

i need to fasten two ropes together.

bk



> Looking through a sailing catalog, I came across this piece of

> hardware. It looks like it would work on a hammock line -

>

> http://www.apsltd.com/Tree/d273000/e270515.asp



> For almost the same price, you can get a pair of straps from JRB

> with their new AL tri-glides.  I used them with a pair of

> lightweight climbing

> carabiners to hang my HH in the Poconos a few weeks ago.



> <http://www.jacksrbetter.com/index_files/Hammock%20Strap%20Set.htm>

I know people who cannot even open a jar of spaghetti.  Heaven forbid

hammocking should discriminate against the knot-handicapped.



Some people just can't do knots.  So, we've lots of devices to help them

out.



Even for the knot-handy, these devices can be really convenient.



Think about all the velcro closures on shoes.



Think about the JRB quilts.  They're attached to bungies with a biner.

Knots would work just as well and save 6 g (0.2 oz) per biner.



Think about the Hennessey hammocks.  The tarp comes with plastic loops

on each corner that can hook into the hook attached to the spectra with

a prussik knot.  Attaching the tarp to the hammock spectra with a

taunt-line hitch would work just as well, would be lots lighter, and

wouldn't take that much more time.



As for special do-whichies as knot substitutes, I've lost some good

shackles to the mud on the bottom of the lake.  At least rope and string

floats long enough to pick up out of the water.



CL





Bill Keiser wrote:

>  i don't understand, what is the matter with using a knot?

Are you saying the existence of these things proves knots are not better, or

that people prefer to not learn knots? "Can't do knots." I think that's a

choice. I don't know anyone who can't tie their shoes. Knots are not rocket

science.



I always have one more knot if I need one. I have always had one handy when I

needed it, and I never have to grope the bottom of my pack to find one. I have

plenty to share with others, and they work regardless of the size of the line

being used.



In a way I consider knot tying a basic outdoor skill, like reading a compass or

building a fire. True you can start a fire with a lighter or with a couple

sticks and not everyone can do the latter. But it would be good if they could if

they needed to.



Sorry, here's the soap box if anyone wants it next. Knots are so useful and so

under-used. Maybe cartoons should do more with knots when kids are young...



   -----Original Message-----

   From: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com]On

Behalf Of Cara Lin Bridgman

   Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 9:09 AM

   To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com

   Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Re: would this work to hold line?





   I know people who cannot even open a jar of spaghetti. Heaven forbid

   hammocking should discriminate against the knot-handicapped.



   Some people just can't do knots. So, we've lots of devices to help them

   out.



   Even for the knot-handy, these devices can be really convenient.



   Think about all the velcro closures on shoes.



   Think about the JRB quilts. They're attached to bungies with a biner.

   Knots would work just as well and save 6 g (0.2 oz) per biner.



   Think about the Hennessey hammocks. The tarp comes with plastic loops

   on each corner that can hook into the hook attached to the spectra with

   a prussik knot. Attaching the tarp to the hammock spectra with a

   taunt-line hitch would work just as well, would be lots lighter, and

   wouldn't take that much more time.



   As for special do-whichies as knot substitutes, I've lost some good

   shackles to the mud on the bottom of the lake. At least rope and string

   floats long enough to pick up out of the water.



   CL



   Bill Keiser wrote:

   > i don't understand, what is the matter with using a knot?











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Carey,



I was just trying to point out things from the knot-handicapped point of

   view.  This was a bit of a struggle, because I do knots and always

have.  If there are people that can't open jars of spaghetti, then there

are people that can't tie their shoes and they thank God for vecro and

buckles and slip-on shoes.



Alternatives exist because it is good to have many ways of doing

something.  Just one knot won't solve all knot problems.  There are

times when knot substitutes actually are better because they reduce

friction (i.e. biners).



Knots are definitely underused.  They're also underestimated.  My own

husband says the whole purpose of knots is to make pretty knots.  I've

argued that the whole point of pretty knots is being able to undo them.

   He doesn't have any real appreciation for the function of different

knots.  He ties great idiot knots (yes, they keep the water out of his

sleeping bag, but they keep me from unpacking his sleeping bag).  He

does tie a good taunt-line hitch.  For all of the hiking he's done, the

taunt-line hitch is about all he's needed to know.  He's happy undoing

his own idiot knots--sometimes with a knife.



CL



Carey Parks wrote:

> Are you saying the existence of these things proves knots are not better, or

that people prefer to not learn knots? "Can't do knots." I think that's a

choice. I don't know anyone who can't tie their shoes. Knots are not rocket

science.

And I was just taking the opportunity to champion the case of knots. (note the

plural.) If one knows knots and chooses to use a device, that's their choice. I

have not cut the plastic clips off my HH rig yet, and I do have a biner or two

clipped to my backpack harness in case I need to make a rescue harness. But I'll

still promote knot-craft every chance I get. There's a line in an Irish song

that goes "You can spend a fourtune, but you can't spend a trade." I'll

paraphrase that - you might not always have a gizmo, but you'll away's have a

skill.



Have you shown your hubby that you know how to tie an handcuff knot yet? Or are

you saving that for when you really need it? <g>



C



   -----Original Message-----

   From: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com]On

Behalf Of Cara Lin Bridgman

   Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 10:41 AM

   To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com

   Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Re: would this work to hold line?





   Carey,



   I was just trying to point out things from the knot-handicapped point of

   view. This was a bit of a struggle, because I do knots and always

   have. If there are people that can't open jars of spaghetti, then there

   are people that can't tie their shoes and they thank God for vecro and

   buckles and slip-on shoes.



   Alternatives exist because it is good to have many ways of doing

   something. Just one knot won't solve all knot problems. There are

   times when knot substitutes actually are better because they reduce

   friction (i.e. biners).



   Knots are definitely underused. They're also underestimated. My own

   husband says the whole purpose of knots is to make pretty knots. I've

   argued that the whole point of pretty knots is being able to undo them.

   He doesn't have any real appreciation for the function of different

   knots. He ties great idiot knots (yes, they keep the water out of his

   sleeping bag, but they keep me from unpacking his sleeping bag). He

   does tie a good taunt-line hitch. For all of the hiking he's done, the

   taunt-line hitch is about all he's needed to know. He's happy undoing

   his own idiot knots--sometimes with a knife.



   CL



   Carey Parks wrote:

   > Are you saying the existence of these things proves knots are not better, or

that people prefer to not learn knots? "Can't do knots." I think that's a

choice. I don't know anyone who can't tie their shoes. Knots are not rocket

science.











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I just have to Ditto the case for knots.  I only use about 3 or 4 easy knots

for my hammocking.  One time I was on vacation on the Oregon coast and

didn't bring a hammock with me.  I thought it would be really nice for the

state park we were going to stay in.  So I stopped by Walmart, grabbed a 50'

bag of 3/8 yellow polypropylene hollow braid rope, 15' of their cheap

webbing and 3 yards of a suitable $1/yard fabric.  A few knots and 20

minutes later I had a hammock that was perfectly comfortable for any

situation (and I still have that same setup 3 years later!).  I would have

spend quite a bit more buying extra hardware to replace the knots.



Just my two cents worth.



Doug Campbell



PS:  I know how to tie a handcuff knot, but I've not actually used it.<g>





On 8/8/08, Carey Parks <Carey@...> wrote:

>

>   And I was just taking the opportunity to champion the case of knots.

> (note the plural.) If one knows knots and chooses to use a device, that's

> their choice. I have not cut the plastic clips off my HH rig yet, and I do

> have a biner or two clipped to my backpack harness in case I need to make a

> rescue harness. But I'll still promote knot-craft every chance I get.

> There's a line in an Irish song that goes "You can spend a fourtune, but you

> can't spend a trade." I'll paraphrase that - you might not always have a

> gizmo, but you'll away's have a skill.

>

> Have you shown your hubby that you know how to tie an handcuff knot yet? Or

> are you saving that for when you really need it? <g>

>

> C

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com

<hammockcamping%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:

> hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com <hammockcamping%40yahoogroups.com>]On

> Behalf Of Cara Lin Bridgman

> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 10:41 AM

> To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com <hammockcamping%40yahoogroups.com>

> Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Re: would this work to hold line?

>

> Carey,

>

> I was just trying to point out things from the knot-handicapped point of

> view. This was a bit of a struggle, because I do knots and always

> have. If there are people that can't open jars of spaghetti, then there

> are people that can't tie their shoes and they thank God for vecro and

> buckles and slip-on shoes.

>

> Alternatives exist because it is good to have many ways of doing

> something. Just one knot won't solve all knot problems. There are

> times when knot substitutes actually are better because they reduce

> friction (i.e. biners).

>

> Knots are definitely underused. They're also underestimated. My own

> husband says the whole purpose of knots is to make pretty knots. I've

> argued that the whole point of pretty knots is being able to undo them.

> He doesn't have any real appreciation for the function of different

> knots. He ties great idiot knots (yes, they keep the water out of his

> sleeping bag, but they keep me from unpacking his sleeping bag). He

> does tie a good taunt-line hitch. For all of the hiking he's done, the

> taunt-line hitch is about all he's needed to know. He's happy undoing

> his own idiot knots--sometimes with a knife.

>

> CL

>

> Carey Parks wrote:

> > Are you saying the existence of these things proves knots are not better,

> or that people prefer to not learn knots? "Can't do knots." I think that's a

> choice. I don't know anyone who can't tie their shoes. Knots are not rocket

> science.

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>

>





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What I have really specialized in is a hanging noose, complete to the

correct 13 wraps.



Yes, I'm saving that for when I need it!



CL



Carey Parks wrote:

> Have you shown your hubby that you know how to tie an handcuff knot yet? Or

are you saving that for when you really need it? <g>

Nothing! I think people just have this concept that knots are hard to tie

and harder to untie. Which can be true if you don't choose the right knot

for the purpose, and the line you are tying it in. The spectra stuff is

interesting, because some of it doesn't want to take a sharp bend that some

knots require to cinch tight. That said, there are knots that will work.



I'd say if you learn a bowline, tautline or midshipman's hitch, rolling or

timber hitch, and a butterfly knot you're good on line.



Knots in to be tied in webbing are different than knots for braided line.

The webbing likes to be kept flat(ish) if you want to untie it. A water knot

is a simple and useful knot for webbing.



That should get a backpacker thru most of what they would encounter. But if

one gets interested in the study of knots, there's all kinds of things that

can be done, like fashion a rescue harness our of one of your tree huggers

for example.



Remember - if you can't tie a good knot, tie plenty of them!!



   -----Original Message-----

   From: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Bill Keiser

   Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 8:39 AM

   To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com

   Subject: [Hammock Camping] Re: would this work to hold line?





   i don't understand, what is the matter with using a knot?

   a few years ago i went to a boat show. one of the booths there had a

   buxom young lady promoting their product, a nylon device that fastened

   two ropes together. basically it was a plastic split bolt like they

   use for electrical cable.

   she fashionably demonstrated how it worked by inserting two ropes

   into the slot and tightening the nut. when i asked her how that was

   better than using a knot, the demonstration kind of came to an awkward

   pause. she suggested that some people don't know how to tie knots. i

   suggested that people like that have no business on a boat. she was

   very nice and gave me a free sample. i have it around here somewhere.

   i hope i can find it on a cold rainy night on the deck of a boat when

   i need to fasten two ropes together.

   bk



   > Looking through a sailing catalog, I came across this piece of

   > hardware. It looks like it would work on a hammock line -

   >

   > http://www.apsltd.com/Tree/d273000/e270515.asp



   > For almost the same price, you can get a pair of straps from JRB

   > with their new AL tri-glides. I used them with a pair of

   > lightweight climbing

   > carabiners to hang my HH in the Poconos a few weeks ago.



   > <http://www.jacksrbetter.com/index_files/Hammock%20Strap%20Set.htm>













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--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Keiser" <bk2@...> wrote:

>

>  i don't understand, what is the matter with using a knot?



I think there are times when knots work best, times when devices work

best, and times when it is the proverbial six of one, half a dozen of

the other.  When there is no clear advantage, there almost is because

you don't have to pack knots, they don't get lost, and they aren't

near the potential weapon if you swing them around on the end of cord

or webbing.  Sometimes it seems devices require knots to secure them

that are about as complex as the knots they replace and the reason

people give for using them is that they don't want to mess with

learning knots.  Other times devices can do things that knots simply

can't do.



I suspect the choice of whether to 'knot or not' often boils down to

what is the neatest fad at the moment.  In one sense our gear becomes

our toys or hobbies or whatever and we want what interest us at some

particular time and what we think impresses our buddies.  No real

problem however you want to do it if you understand the tradeoffs and

it does what you need it to do.



Dave Womble

aka Youngblood AT2000

designer of the Speer Segmented Pad Extender, SnugFit Underquilt, and

WinterTarp.

Right!  One of my biggest concerns is losing those cute little black

biners that come with the JRB nest.



CL



Dave Womble wrote:

>  When there is no clear advantage, there almost is because

> you don't have to pack knots, they don't get lost, and they aren't

> near the potential weapon if you swing them around on the end of cord

> or webbing.

Been there...done that!  And I was just testing it out on our

community lake.  Durned thing disappeared.  I even went back with a

small rake.



sandy aka knot handicapped (bowline and half-hitches I can handle) in

Miami



--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, Cara Lin Bridgman

<cara.lin@...> wrote:

>

> Right!  One of my biggest concerns is losing those cute little

black

> biners that come with the JRB nest.

>

> CL

>

> Dave Womble wrote:

> >  When there is no clear advantage, there almost is because

> > you don't have to pack knots, they don't get lost, and they aren't

> > near the potential weapon if you swing them around on the end of

cord

> > or webbing.

>

OK, I've already mentioned how the lightest (and cheapest) solution

would be to add strings to tie the bungees to the JRB nest.  Half

hitches to the bungees.  Bow (the tie-your-shoe) knot to the nest--or

something fancier if so inclined.



What I did, however, was get these: Nite Ize S-Biner Size #1

<http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/nite_ize_s_biner_1.htm\

l>.



They're advertised as 4 g and that's what my scales tell me they are.

JRB original biners are 8-9 g, the new ones (quarter-sized) are about 6

g.  The thing I like about the Nite Ize biners, is that each one has two

clips: one for bungee and one for the nest.



A suitable length of mason twine, however, would hardly register on the

scale as 1 g.  The Nite Ize biners, however, sure are cute!



CL



Sandy Kramer wrote:

> Been there...done that!  And I was just testing it out on our

> community lake.  Durned thing disappeared.  I even went back with a

> small rake.

> --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, Cara Lin Bridgman

> <cara.lin@...> wrote:

>> Right!  One of my biggest concerns is losing those cute little

> black

>> biners that come with the JRB nest.

I read a review of these on Amazon, and a guy was upset because he lost his

keys. But the reviewers said it would be o.k to use them in tie-down

situations where you don't have to worry about the strength of the gate.



http://www.amazon.com/Nite-Ize-S-Biner-Size-2-Black/dp/B000WUIGYA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=\

UTF8&s=sporting-goods&qid=1218570612&sr=1-1



              ---Amy



On 8/12/08, Cara Lin Bridgman <cara.lin@...> wrote:

>

>   OK, I've already mentioned how the lightest (and cheapest) solution

> would be to add strings to tie the bungees to the JRB nest. Half

> hitches to the bungees. Bow (the tie-your-shoe) knot to the nest--or

> something fancier if so inclined.

>

> What I did, however, was get these: Nite Ize S-Biner Size #1

> <

>

http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/nite_ize_s_biner_1.html

> >.

>

> They're advertised as 4 g and that's what my scales tell me they are.

> JRB original biners are 8-9 g, the new ones (quarter-sized) are about 6

> g. The thing I like about the Nite Ize biners, is that each one has two

> clips: one for bungee and one for the nest.

>

> A suitable length of mason twine, however, would hardly register on the

> scale as 1 g. The Nite Ize biners, however, sure are cute!

>

> CL

>

> Sandy Kramer wrote:

> > Been there...done that! And I was just testing it out on our

> > community lake. Durned thing disappeared. I even went back with a

> > small rake.

> > --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com <hammockcamping%40yahoogroups.com>,

> Cara Lin Bridgman

> > <cara.lin@...> wrote:

> >> Right! One of my biggest concerns is losing those cute little

> > black

> >> biners that come with the JRB nest.

>

>

>





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I started by using knots, but then I wanted something more convenient, stronger,

and faster. So, I purchased a couple of 1" cinch buckles, some 3mm climbing line

(921lb/ft. rating), 1" military grade webbing (rated at 4k lbs!), and attached

it all to my Claytor JH....the 3mm rope through the hammock channel and tied,

via prussik, to the cinch buckles. The 1" webbing (which, along with the 3mm

rope, I got from REI) I cut in half so I had two 15' ft. sections, the ends of

which I sewed a loop so I could attached black diamond carabiners to...the other

ends of the webbing I left unsewed so I could run them through the cinch

buckles.



Now, setting up is a snap! I just wrap the webbing around the tree, snap the

carabiner onto the webbing line and pull tight...literally takes seconds to

accomplish. I do the same thing for the other side, then I put the hammock in

the middle and run the webbing straps through the cinch buckles. Pull tight

through the buckes, sit in the hammock and get out and pull on the lines to

adjust until I have it just right. My hammock has never gone up faster!! Plus,

with my hammock being 9'ft. long and the two webbing straps totally 30' ft. I

have plenty more options to hang than I did before!! Very *nice* set up now! :oD





Tom









   ----- Original Message -----

   From: Cara Lin Bridgman

   To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com

   Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 7:41 AM

   Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Re: would this work to hold line?





   Carey,



   I was just trying to point out things from the knot-handicapped point of

   view. This was a bit of a struggle, because I do knots and always

   have. If there are people that can't open jars of spaghetti, then there

   are people that can't tie their shoes and they thank God for vecro and

   buckles and slip-on shoes.



   Alternatives exist because it is good to have many ways of doing

   something. Just one knot won't solve all knot problems. There are

   times when knot substitutes actually are better because they reduce

   friction (i.e. biners).



   Knots are definitely underused. They're also underestimated. My own

   husband says the whole purpose of knots is to make pretty knots. I've

   argued that the whole point of pretty knots is being able to undo them.

   He doesn't have any real appreciation for the function of different

   knots. He ties great idiot knots (yes, they keep the water out of his

   sleeping bag, but they keep me from unpacking his sleeping bag). He

   does tie a good taunt-line hitch. For all of the hiking he's done, the

   taunt-line hitch is about all he's needed to know. He's happy undoing

   his own idiot knots--sometimes with a knife.



   CL



   Carey Parks wrote:

   > Are you saying the existence of these things proves knots are not better, or

that people prefer to not learn knots? "Can't do knots." I think that's a

choice. I don't know anyone who can't tie their shoes. Knots are not rocket

science.













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In a message dated 8/9/08 8:56:39 AM, cara.lin@... writes:





> What I have really specialized in is a hanging noose, complete to the

> correct 13 wraps.

>



One noose around the neck, another around the ankles, tied to appropriate

sized trees about 15 feet apart for the ultimate lightweight hammock -- and

after

the first two minutes or so,   you won't even be bothered by the bugs!



John





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One noose around the neck, another around the ankles, tied to appropriate

sized trees about 15 feet apart for the ultimate lightweight hammock -- and

after

the first two minutes or so,   you won't even be bothered by the bugs!



John





We are sassuming you use the correct strapping to protect the trees??   :]





Ralph





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except that sort of hammock will eventually attract flies.



CL



navjohn@... wrote:

> In a message dated 8/9/08 8:56:39 AM, cara.lin@... writes:

>> What I have really specialized in is a hanging noose, complete to the

>> correct 13 wraps.

> One noose around the neck, another around the ankles, tied to appropriate

> sized trees about 15 feet apart for the ultimate lightweight hammock -- and

after

> the first two minutes or so,   you won't even be bothered by the bugs!

In a message dated 8/9/08 3:05:23 PM, Ralph.oborn@... writes:





> One noose around the neck, another around the ankles, tied to appropriate

> sized trees about 15 feet apart for the ultimate lightweight hammock -- and

> after

> the first two minutes or so, you won't even be bothered by the bugs!

>

> John

>

> We are assuming you use the correct strapping to protect the trees?? :]

>



But of course -- this system uses two nearby tree huggers, each standing on

the far side of the two hammock trees, with the ropes around their necks to

protect the trees.



Your response gives me a great idea for a cartoon -- a typical Western

lynching party, with the lynchee on a horse, with a noose around his neck and

the

rope over a convenient limb and tied to the tree trunk, and one of the lynchers

about to whip the horse out from under him.   The Lynchee is saying, "Now, you

fellers know what this is gonna do to that poor tree, don't you?"



And before anyone asks, a lynchee is not a nut commonly served with duck in a

Chinese restaurant!



John





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> One noose around the neck, another around the ankles, tied to appropriate

> sized trees about 15 feet apart for the ultimate lightweight hammock --

and

> after

> the first two minutes or so, you won't even be bothered by the bugs!

>

> John

>

> We are assuming you use the correct strapping to protect the trees?? :]

>



But of course -- this system uses two nearby tree huggers, each standing on

the far side of the two hammock trees, with the ropes around their necks to

protect the trees.



Your response gives me a great idea for a cartoon -- a typical Western

lynching party, with the lynchee on a horse, with a noose around his neck

and the

rope over a convenient limb and tied to the tree trunk, and one of the

lynchers

about to whip the horse out from under him.   The Lynchee is saying, "Now,

you

fellers know what this is gonna do to that poor tree, don't you?"





John





On a less violent note if you were to stretch a single line between two

trees.

An agile camper could balance on that line for the night.



It would reduce the weight some......  :]



Ralph





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That's called "Slacklining"



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slacklining



   -----Original Message-----

   From: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Ralph Oborn

   Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 6:02 PM

   To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com

   Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Re: would this work to hold line?





   > One noose around the neck, another around the ankles, tied to

appropriate

   > sized trees about 15 feet apart for the ultimate lightweight hammock --

   and

   > after

   > the first two minutes or so, you won't even be bothered by the bugs!

   >

   > John

   >

   > We are assuming you use the correct strapping to protect the trees?? :]

   >



   But of course -- this system uses two nearby tree huggers, each standing

on

   the far side of the two hammock trees, with the ropes around their necks

to

   protect the trees.



   Your response gives me a great idea for a cartoon -- a typical Western

   lynching party, with the lynchee on a horse, with a noose around his neck

   and the

   rope over a convenient limb and tied to the tree trunk, and one of the

   lynchers

   about to whip the horse out from under him. The Lynchee is saying, "Now,

   you

   fellers know what this is gonna do to that poor tree, don't you?"



   John



   On a less violent note if you were to stretch a single line between two

   trees.

   An agile camper could balance on that line for the night.



   It would reduce the weight some...... :]



   Ralph



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In a message dated 8/9/08 6:01:49 PM, Ralph.oborn@... writes:





> On a less violent note if you were to stretch a single line between two

> trees.

> An agile camper could balance on that line for the night.

>



Except for the wire-walker's pole he'd have to carry to help him balance.

Maybe he could procure one at each camp site, but see protecting trees, above.

Maybe two lines -- drape your arms and legs over on each side, and snooze on.

   I've been on some hikes when I believe I could have slept like that.



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It might work if 1 if it was metal and not plastic and 2 if two were mounted

back to back or one with an eye-bolt on the other side to tie off the line. 2

mooring cleats could would work also but webbing and a cinch buckle would be

better and less destructive .



Some people like me just don't care that much about extra 4-6 ounces for what

ever reason, and there are some that may use the knot this time but by the time

the next use comes around...what knot was that .



I once tried to show a MD how to make better before/after photos of his patents

but he just couldn't do it, He was more into the doctoring. I'm sure if he was

in the OR and HAD to he would at least say where is Arye when I need him.

If it was not something a person used everyday most don't remember it.

Some don't understand why I carry a knife everyday but when I'm there and pull

it out to cut a sandwich or a box they don't ask why but are glad to see it

handy.  BTW  a pen knife was called a pen knife because it was used to cut a new

tip on a quill pen when needed.



  Sapere Aude,



Arye P. Rubenstein





Imagination is more important than knowledge...

It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education... Albert Einstein



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isn't that how you get a 'deadman'...



  Sapere Aude,



Arye P. Rubenstein





Imagination is more important than knowledge...

It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education... Albert Einstein







----- Original Message ----

From: "navjohn@..." <navjohn@...>

To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, August 9, 2008 3:53:59 PM

Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Re: would this work to hold line?







In a message dated 8/9/08 3:05:23 PM, Ralph.oborn@ gmail.com writes:



> One noose around the neck, another around the ankles, tied to appropriate

> sized trees about 15 feet apart for the ultimate lightweight hammock -- and

> after

> the first two minutes or so, you won't even be bothered by the bugs!

>

> John

>

> We are assuming you use the correct strapping to protect the trees?? :]

>



But of course -- this system uses two nearby tree huggers, each standing on

the far side of the two hammock trees, with the ropes around their necks to

protect the trees.



Your response gives me a great idea for a cartoon -- a typical Western

lynching party, with the lynchee on a horse, with a noose around his neck and

the

rope over a convenient limb and tied to the tree trunk, and one of the lynchers

about to whip the horse out from under him.   The Lynchee is saying, "Now, you

fellers know what this is gonna do to that poor tree, don't you?"



And before anyone asks, a lynchee is not a nut commonly served with duck in a

Chinese restaurant!



John



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