I remember seeing a cool tarp in someone's pictures recently in this group.

It was pretty large and the corners could be folded/wrapped together to

enclose  the ends of the hammock. I don't think it was zipped closed, possible

velcroed  or just wrapped past each other and staked. The question is, where can

they be  gotten or the pattern be seen so I can try to sew my own? I have one of

Ed's  hammocks for "Lurch" sized people. (6'3",  270  #)







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Yep, I  think it was a tarp made by youngblood:





tried to copy and paste but it didn't go through so here's the link:



_http://www.tothewoods.net/HammockCampingDry.html_

(http://www.tothewoods.net/HammockCampingDry.html)



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Brian (TBACK) from Tampa added one to his rig after a miserable night on

Springer last New Years. I think Dave Womble did it too.



Tom







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>Date: 2007/11/04 Sun AM 09:31:55 CST

>To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com

>Subject: [Hammock Camping] Hammock tarp



>

>I remember seeing a cool tarp in someone's pictures recently in this group.

>It was pretty large and the corners could be folded/wrapped together to

>enclose  the ends of the hammock. I don't think it was zipped closed, possible

>velcroed  or just wrapped past each other and staked. The question is, where

can

>they be  gotten or the pattern be seen so I can try to sew my own? I have one

of

>Ed's  hammocks for "Lurch" sized people. (6'3",  270  #)

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> Brian (TBACK) from Tampa added one to his rig after a miserable night on

>Springer last New Years. I think Dave Womble did it too.





Hey I'm in Tampa for a bit, Maybe This other Brian could contact me

offlist and we could set up a hike or something. Or if someone could

point me in his direction I'll give him a shout.



Brian also...

Maybe, but doubtful.  He's currently on a thru hike of the Florida

Trail.  At last check of his trail journal (10/25) he was in the

Everglades.  But he may check in some.  His trail journal is at

http://www.trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?trailname=6037







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Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Hammock tarp



> Brian (TBACK) from Tampa added one to his rig after a miserable night

on >Springer last New Years. I think Dave Womble did it too.





Hey I'm in Tampa for a bit, Maybe This other Brian could contact me

offlist and we could set up a hike or something. Or if someone could

point me in his direction I'll give him a shout.



Brian also...







Yahoo! Groups Links

If you are talking about the tarp in these photos

http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/hammockcamping/photos/browse/7a0e ,

Speer Hammocks is in the process of introducing as the WinterTarp.



Dave Womble

aka Youngblood 2000

designer of the Speer Segmented Pad Extender, SnugFit Underquilt, and

WinterTarp.



--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, amendment2@... wrote:

>

> I remember seeing a cool tarp in someone's pictures recently in this

group.

> It was pretty large and the corners could be folded/wrapped together to

> enclose  the ends of the hammock. I don't think it was zipped

closed, possible

> velcroed  or just wrapped past each other and staked. The question

is, where can

> they be  gotten or the pattern be seen so I can try to sew my own? I

have one of

> Ed's  hammocks for "Lurch" sized people. (6'3",  270  #)

>

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Very nice!



I just got off the Speer site and saw no mention of the tarp.  Too

soon?



Jeff





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wrote:

>

> If you are talking about the tarp in these photos

> http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/hammockcamping/photos/browse/7a0e ,

> Speer Hammocks is in the process of introducing as the WinterTarp.

>

> Dave Womble

> aka Youngblood 2000

> designer of the Speer Segmented Pad Extender, SnugFit Underquilt,

and

> WinterTarp.

>

> --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, amendment2@ wrote:

> >

> > I remember seeing a cool tarp in someone's pictures recently in

this

> group.

> > It was pretty large and the corners could be folded/wrapped

together to

> > enclose  the ends of the hammock. I don't think it was zipped

> closed, possible

> > velcroed  or just wrapped past each other and staked. The question

> is, where can

> > they be  gotten or the pattern be seen so I can try to sew my

own? I

> have one of

> > Ed's  hammocks for "Lurch" sized people. (6'3",  270  #)

> >

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Tyvek is very loud, heavy, and bulky when used as a tarp.  I would not

use it.



Rick



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Yeah, really loud. It does get softer and quieter after washing it several

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> Yeah, really loud. It does get softer and quieter after washing it several

> times. Still kinda loud though.

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I used some this weekend for other things - that was softened after washing

just once -



I did not find it heavy at all     and with all the handling it got it really

was not that noisy





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well, how much was the tarp and what are the dimensions?  how many tieouts are

there?  does it come with tieout string or do you furnish you're own?



jfhill





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10x11, 8 tie outs

from my invoice:

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"?? WinterTarp??????????????????????????119.00

?? WinterTarp Accessory Kit????????17.00?

???As you know the WinterTarp is so new, it's not even advertized yet!??But I'm

certain you'll love it!??The accessory kit includes NoTangle GuideLines & a

silnylon stuff sack. "







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Sent: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 2:10 am

Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Re: Hammock tarp













well, how much was the tarp and what are the dimensions? how many tieouts are

there? does it come with tieout string or do you furnish you're own?



jfhill



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wow!.  thanks.



amendment2@... wrote:          10x11, 8 tie outs

from my invoice:

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"?? WinterTarp??????????????????????????119.00

?? WinterTarp Accessory Kit????????17.00?

???As you know the WinterTarp is so new, it's not even advertized yet!??But I'm

certain you'll love it!??The accessory kit includes NoTangle GuideLines & a

silnylon stuff sack. "



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Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Re: Hammock tarp



well, how much was the tarp and what are the dimensions? how many tieouts are

there? does it come with tieout string or do you furnish you're own?



jfhill



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Thanks for your interest in our new WinterTarp.  It's so new, it's not even

yet on the website-we're hoping to get an updated website up later this

week.  We are now making the WinterTarp & have a few in stock.  The price is

$119 for the tarp itself & $17 for the accessory kit that includes a

silnylon stuff sack & 10 NoTangle GuideLines.







The WinterTarp is 10'x11', catenary cut, silnylon, w/ 8 tie outs plus the

two ridgeline ties.  Two 'door' panels on each end can be left open or

closed as much as needed to block wind or rain.  While it was only 37F last

night, it was very windy & I was glad I had the WinterTarp.







Dave Womble designed this tarp, so he can speak about all of the individual

features better than I can.  Dave has been out on a hike lately, but

hopefully he will post today & give more details







.Ed







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Owner, Speer Hammocks Inc







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well, how much was the tarp and what are the dimensions? how many tieouts

are there? does it come with tieout string or do you furnish you're own?



jfhill



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Okay Ed, here is little blurb I put together on the new tarp.



The WinterTarp is the results of several generations of a class of

tarps that I call hammock tarptents.  It is an 11 foot long by 10 foot

wide silnylon tarp with catenary curves along each of its ten edges

and four catenary darts.  The basic concept is to provide a taut tarp

when pitched high for rain protection and a taut tarp when pitched low

for better wind protection as a hammock tarptent.   Of course there

are other basic requirements as well such as simplicity and

functionality.  In cold weather, simplicity and functionality are

paramount as even the simplest of chores can become difficult when you

are tired or cold and your equipment needs to do what you expect it to

do without a lot of adjustments or readjustments.  One other feature

is that it has a steep pitch when used as a hammock tarptent to

encourage any snow to slide off the tarp rather than accumulate and

cause problems with stretching and sagging.



When pitched high for rain protection in a traditional A-frame

configuration the WinterTarp has a surprisingly taut pitch for such a

large silnylon tarp due to the innovative use of catenary darts at

strategic points on the tarp and the catenary curves along its edges.

  It has two ridgeline tie outs and four tie outs on each side for a

total of ten tie outs.  The center pair of tie outs on each side are

for the main body of the tarp and the corner tie outs can be pitched a

number of different ways.  The corner tie outs can be pitched to

extend the tarp as a normal flat tarp or they can be angled inward.

The unique catenary darts allow for a taut pitch over a significant

range of angles for the corner tie outs.



When pitched low and the end flaps closed off, or partially closed

off, it becomes a tarptent for a hammock.  Most of the time you will

only want it partially closed off as that is the best compromise for

most winter conditions when camping with a hammock. With the ends

partially close off there is more inside volume, it is easier to exit

and enter, and the wind can't hit you unless it blows through the tree

you are tied off to.  This is great improvement over tarps that don't

offer this type of coverage in cool weather where exposure to wind can

be a problem.  The approach on the WinterTarp tent is to use

overlapping flaps for doors to close or partially close off the ends

and to not have the tarp all the way to the ground, but very near the

ground.  This blocks the wind from having a direct path to the hammock

as long as you pitch your hammock up off the ground and up inside the

tarp, and still provides adequate ventilation for when the wind isn't

blowing.  Remember that conditions often change during the course of

the night where the wind sometimes is blowing and sometimes it isn't.

  When the wind is blowing ventilation isn't an issue but when it isn't

blowing it is an issue and it can become a big issue real fast in

winter conditions.



Of course each person is free to experiment and find their own

favorite WinterTarp configuration for the conditions they encounter.

I think people will appreciate the simplicity and functionality of the

WinterTarp.



Dave Womble

aka Youngblood 2000

Designer of the Speer Segmented Pad Extender, the SnugFit Underquilt,

and the WinterTarp





--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Speer" <ed@...> wrote:

>

> Thanks for your interest in our new WinterTarp.  It's so new, it's

not even

> yet on the website-we're hoping to get an updated website up later this

> week.  We are now making the WinterTarp & have a few in stock.  The

price is

> $119 for the tarp itself & $17 for the accessory kit that includes a

> silnylon stuff sack & 10 NoTangle GuideLines.

>

>

>

> The WinterTarp is 10'x11', catenary cut, silnylon, w/ 8 tie outs

plus the

> two ridgeline ties.  Two 'door' panels on each end can be left open or

> closed as much as needed to block wind or rain.  While it was only

37F last

> night, it was very windy & I was glad I had the WinterTarp.

>

>

>

> Dave Womble designed this tarp, so he can speak about all of the

individual

> features better than I can.  Dave has been out on a hike lately, but

> hopefully he will post today & give more details

>

>

>

> .Ed

>

>

>

> Moderator, Hammock Camping List

> Author, Hammock Camping, The Complete Guide

>

> Editor, Hammock Camping News

>

> Owner, Speer Hammocks Inc

>

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>

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> From: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com

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> On Behalf Of john hill

> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:11 AM

> To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com

> Subject: [SPAM]Re: [Hammock Camping] Re: Hammock tarp

>

>

>

> well, how much was the tarp and what are the dimensions? how many

tieouts

> are there? does it come with tieout string or do you furnish you're own?

>

> jfhill

>

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Thanks Dave, I couldn't have said it better.  In fact, I like it so much I'm

adding your blurb to the WinterTarp page on the new website.  BTY, the new

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thanks ed & dave.  i'll pass along this info to the hammockforum group.

   i think that's a fine price for such a large & nicely thought out tarp with so

much versatility.

     i recently bought some silnylon from you w/ the intention of making another

tarp, but i may just use it for something else & just buy one of those! ...tim



Ed Speer <ed@...> wrote:

   Thanks Dave, I couldn't have said it better. In fact, I like it so much I'm

adding your blurb to the WinterTarp page on the new website. BTY, the new

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Dave Womble,

I noticed in a tarp you made you had sewn two ties out in the field on  each

side in addition to the tie outs around the edges. They looked  like they made

more interior room by pulling the inside center of the tarp out  away from

the hammock. Did you not include them in the winter tarp?

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> Dave Womble,

> I noticed in a tarp you made you had sewn two ties out in the field

on  each

> side in addition to the tie outs around the edges. They looked  like

they made

> more interior room by pulling the inside center of the tarp out

away from

> the hammock. Did you not include them in the winter tarp?

> Dave Fox

>

>



Dave,



Those were in an earlier version of a winter tarp I made, this one

http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/hammockcamping/photos/browse/8319 .

That looks good doesn't it?  At one time a couple of years ago Ed

Speer and I talked about offering that version for sale but we were

not quite satisfied with it and never did offer that version for sale.

  Problem is it doesn't work quite as well in winter conditions as it

looks like it would.



I learned a lot from that version of winter tarp.  I learned I wanted

something simpler and I learned that what I wanted in a winter hammock

tarp was a little different than that.  I learned I wanted something

that used fewer stakes and still gave me a taut pitch in the various

configurations I needed for winter use. I learned that you want to

block the wind from directly hitting you but still have ventilation

when the wind subsides without having to get up and re-stake anything.

  I learned I didn't want to deal with hook and loop fasteners for

fastening a door when I wanted to enter or exit the tarp as they are

difficult to get hold of and align properly from inside the tarptent.

  I learned I wanted steep sides to shed snow.



I went back to the proverbial drawing board and on my third version

for a simplified version came up with what Speer Hammocks now offers.

    There are no hook and loop fasteners, I use an overlapping door

approach that pitches taut and doesn't drag along the ground.  It

provides for reasonable wind protection and adequate ventilation at

the same time.  The side pullouts for increasing the interior volume

you mentioned are gone, those are missed in a closed off tarptent

pitch but they added too much complexity, messed with the geometry

with the overlapping door technique, and flattened out the top of the

tarp making snow loads more of a problem... I don't think the maximum

closed off tarptent pitch will be used except in really bad conditions

and then you will have to hunker down and make due with a more

confined space than you might prefer.  The catenary ridgeline is also

gone, I increased the depth of the catenary curves on the edges and

utilized four catenary darts along the hammock where the "door flaps"

hinge.  Those do some interesting things for the tarp... they keep it

very taut over a variety of pitch options and do it exceptionally well

while allowing you to have steep sides when using the tarptent pitch

to help with snow buildup.



Dave, when I talked to Ed the other day he said he had already sent

you the WinterTarp.  I wanted him to send you some shock cord to use

with the side tieouts but I was too late getting to him.  The shock

cords are something Ed is planning on offering( for a small price of

course <grin>) once we get it documented how to attach them .  I use

1/8" shock cord because that is what I have picked up locally, I think

Ed uses 3/32" shock cord.  Either will work fine, one has a little

more tension and the other weighs a little less.  I have used shock

cords on the side tieouts for my hammock tarps for years and really

like them.  Basically I use 12" pieces of shockcord and loop it

through the side tieouts after I have tied the guyline on.  That gives

me a doubled over piece of shockcord that is six inches long.  For the

amount of stretch I get with the shockcord I use, I attach that with a

clove hitch in the guyline about 10 to 12 inches down, leaving 1/2 to

1 inch tails on the ends of the shockcord.  These shockcords make life

a lot easier with the WinterTarp as it keeps tension on it when the

silnylon stretches, keeping it reasonably taut and it gives you a

convenient spot to hook your stakes when pitching it in the tarptent

configuration.  Do you have some shockcord and understand what I am

trying to describe?



Dave Womble

aka Youngblood 2000

Designer of the Speer Segmented Pad Extender, SnugFit Underquilt, and

WinterTarp.

Opps, I said "hammock" in one place where I should have said "tarp".

This is what that sentence should have said:



"The catenary ridgeline is also gone, I increased the depth of the

catenary curves on the edges and utilized four catenary darts along

the TARP where the "door flaps" hinge. Those do some interesting

things for the tarp... they keep it very taut over a variety of pitch

options and do it exceptionally well while allowing you to have steep

sides when using the tarptent pitch to help with snow buildup."

Dave Wamble:

If I understand you correctly, y



In a message dated 11/7/2007 10:20:46 PM Central Standard Time,

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Dave,  when I talked to Ed the other day he said he had already sent

you the  WinterTarp. I wanted him to send you some shock cord to use

with the side  tieouts but I was too late getting to him. The shock

cords are something Ed  is planning on offering( for a small price of

course <grin>) once we  get it documented how to attach them . I use

1/8" shock cord because that  is what I have picked up locally, I think

Ed uses 3/32" shock cord. Either  will work fine, one has a little

more tension and the other weighs a little  less. I have used shock

cords on the side tieouts for my hammock tarps for  years and really

like them. Basically I use 12" pieces of shockcord and  loop it

through the side tieouts after I have tied the guyline on. That  gives

me a doubled over piece of shockcord that is six inches long. For  the

amount of stretch I get with the shockcord I use, I attach that with  a

clove hitch in the guyline about 10 to 12 inches down, leaving 1/2  to

1 inch tails on the ends of the shockcord. These shockcords make  life

a lot easier with the WinterTarp as it keeps tension on it when  the

silnylon stretches, keeping it reasonably taut and it gives you  a

convenient spot to hook your stakes when pitching it in the  tarptent

configuration. Do you have some shockcord and understand what I  am

trying to describe?















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Dave Womble:

If I understand you correctly, you are describing  putting a  tensioning

spring in the guy lines using very small bungie cord. Then tying your  guy lines

out using the stretch in the bungies. If the tarp gets slackness in  it, the

bungies will contract smaller and keep the tarp tight.

Dave Fox



In a message dated 11/7/2007 10:20:46 PM Central Standard Time,

dpwomble@... writes:



Dave,  when I talked to Ed the other day he said he had already sent

you the  WinterTarp. I wanted him to send you some shock cord to use

with the side  tieouts but I was too late getting to him. The shock

cords are something Ed  is planning on offering( for a small price of

course <grin>) once we  get it documented how to attach them . I use

1/8" shock cord because that  is what I have picked up locally, I think

Ed uses 3/32" shock cord. Either  will work fine, one has a little

more tension and the other weighs a little  less. I have used shock

cords on the side tieouts for my hammock tarps for  years and really

like them. Basically I use 12" pieces of shockcord and  loop it

through the side tieouts after I have tied the guyline on. That  gives

me a doubled over piece of shockcord that is six inches long. For  the

amount of stretch I get with the shockcord I use, I attach that with  a

clove hitch in the guyline about 10 to 12 inches down, leaving 1/2  to

1 inch tails on the ends of the shockcord. These shockcords make  life

a lot easier with the WinterTarp as it keeps tension on it when  the

silnylon stretches, keeping it reasonably taut and it gives you  a

convenient spot to hook your stakes when pitching it in the  tarptent

configuration. Do you have some shockcord and understand what I  am

trying to describe?















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--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, amendment2@... wrote:

>

>

> Dave Womble:

> If I understand you correctly, you are describing  putting a

tensioning

> spring in the guy lines using very small bungie cord. Then tying

your  guy lines

> out using the stretch in the bungies. If the tarp gets slackness in

  it, the

> bungies will contract smaller and keep the tarp tight.

> Dave Fox

>



Correct.

Basically I use 12" pieces of shockcord and  loop it

through the side tieouts after I have tied the guyline on. That  gives

me a doubled over piece of shockcord that is six inches long.





I tried that (apparently using too much bungie) and later at night tripped

over the line.

The sharp stake pulled out of the ground under an extreme amount of tension

then launched itself spear gun fashion towards my brand new HH with faithful

thermareast inside. Just missing diasaster I did the following



    1. did away with bungie

    2. got brighter lines

    3. got a brighter occupant   :]







Ralph





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First thing I did when I got my hammock was substitute all those black

lines and bungies for HOT PINK mason's twine.  Even by doing that, there

isn't enough of the pink to mess with any stealth aspects of camping.

  From a few meters away, neither the pink line nor the hammock are all

that noticeable.  Reasons were to keep me from losing my stakes and bits

of twine and to keep me from getting tangled up in my hammock's web...



I suppose day-glow orange twine would work, too, but think that's more

likely to blend in with fall leaves.



I bought a roll of gold bungie--the sort used to wrap Christmas presents

and gift boxes.  It is definitely visible.  The only problem is the

metallic covering tends to abrade and break the bungie.  I've since

found some white light-weight bungie cord.



Another option would be the bungie-like pony-tail ties.  These come in

designer colors.  Just tie them to the end of your line and then put the

stake through the loop.



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