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#18239 From: amendment2@...
Date: Sun Nov 4, 2007 10:31 am
Subject: Hammock tarp
davidgfox
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I remember seeing a cool tarp in someone's pictures recently in this group.
It was pretty large and the corners could be folded/wrapped together to
enclose the ends of the hammock. I don't think it was zipped closed, possible
velcroed or just wrapped past each other and staked. The question is, where can
they be gotten or the pattern be seen so I can try to sew my own? I have one of
Ed's hammocks for "Lurch" sized people. (6'3", 270 #)



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#18240 From: amendment2@...
Date: Sun Nov 4, 2007 10:40 am
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Hammock tarp
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Yep, I think it was a tarp made by youngblood:





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#18241 From: amendment2@...
Date: Sun Nov 4, 2007 10:52 am
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Hammock tarp
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In a message dated 11/4/2007 9:40:42 AM Central Standard Time,
amendment2@... writes:

Yep, I think it was a tarp made by youngblood:


tried to copy and paste but it didn't go through so here's the link:

_http://www.tothewoods.net/HammockCampingDry.html_
(http://www.tothewoods.net/HammockCampingDry.html)

It's the one about 1/5 to 1/4 of the way down the page.



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#18242 From: Tom Blum <teblum@...>
Date: Sun Nov 4, 2007 4:51 pm
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Hammock tarp
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Brian (TBACK) from Tampa added one to his rig after a miserable night on
Springer last New Years. I think Dave Womble did it too.

Tom



>From: amendment2@...
>Date: 2007/11/04 Sun AM 09:31:55 CST
>To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Hammock Camping] Hammock tarp

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>I remember seeing a cool tarp in someone's pictures recently in this group.
>It was pretty large and the corners could be folded/wrapped together to
>enclose the ends of the hammock. I don't think it was zipped closed, possible
>velcroed or just wrapped past each other and staked. The question is, where
can
>they be gotten or the pattern be seen so I can try to sew my own? I have one
of
>Ed's hammocks for "Lurch" sized people. (6'3", 270 #)
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#18250 From: "Brian T" <brian.tannehill@...>
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 8:57 pm
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Hammock tarp
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> Brian (TBACK) from Tampa added one to his rig after a miserable night on
>Springer last New Years. I think Dave Womble did it too.


Hey I'm in Tampa for a bit, Maybe This other Brian could contact me
offlist and we could set up a hike or something. Or if someone could
point me in his direction I'll give him a shout.

Brian also...



#18251 From: "Stuhr, Tim" <tstuhr@...>
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 10:12 pm
Subject: RE: [Hammock Camping] Hammock tarp
stuhrt
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Maybe, but doubtful.  He's currently on a thru hike of the Florida
Trail. At last check of his trail journal (10/25) he was in the
Everglades. But he may check in some. His trail journal is at
http://www.trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?trailname=6037



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Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Hammock tarp

> Brian (TBACK) from Tampa added one to his rig after a miserable night
on >Springer last New Years. I think Dave Womble did it too.


Hey I'm in Tampa for a bit, Maybe This other Brian could contact me
offlist and we could set up a hike or something. Or if someone could
point me in his direction I'll give him a shout.

Brian also...



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#18243 From: "Dave Womble" <dpwomble@...>
Date: Sun Nov 4, 2007 5:21 pm
Subject: Re: Hammock tarp
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If you are talking about the tarp in these photos
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/hammockcamping/photos/browse/7a0e ,
Speer Hammocks is in the process of introducing as the WinterTarp.

Dave Womble
aka Youngblood 2000
designer of the Speer Segmented Pad Extender, SnugFit Underquilt, and
WinterTarp.

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, amendment2@... wrote:
>
> I remember seeing a cool tarp in someone's pictures recently in this
group.
> It was pretty large and the corners could be folded/wrapped together to
> enclose the ends of the hammock. I don't think it was zipped
closed, possible
> velcroed or just wrapped past each other and staked. The question
is, where can
> they be gotten or the pattern be seen so I can try to sew my own? I
have one of
> Ed's hammocks for "Lurch" sized people. (6'3", 270 #)
>
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#18249 From: "Jeff Metzger" <skeenut@...>
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 5:58 pm
Subject: Re: Hammock tarp
skeenut
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Very nice!

I just got off the Speer site and saw no mention of the tarp. Too
soon?

Jeff


--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Womble" <dpwomble@...>
wrote:
>
> If you are talking about the tarp in these photos
> http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/hammockcamping/photos/browse/7a0e ,
> Speer Hammocks is in the process of introducing as the WinterTarp.
>
> Dave Womble
> aka Youngblood 2000
> designer of the Speer Segmented Pad Extender, SnugFit Underquilt,
and
> WinterTarp.
>
> --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, amendment2@ wrote:
> >
> > I remember seeing a cool tarp in someone's pictures recently in
this
> group.
> > It was pretty large and the corners could be folded/wrapped
together to
> > enclose the ends of the hammock. I don't think it was zipped
> closed, possible
> > velcroed or just wrapped past each other and staked. The question
> is, where can
> > they be gotten or the pattern be seen so I can try to sew my
own? I
> have one of
> > Ed's hammocks for "Lurch" sized people. (6'3", 270 #)
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#18244 From: amendment2@...
Date: Sun Nov 4, 2007 12:39 pm
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Re: Hammock tarp
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yep, that's the one!



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#18245 From: eilismaura@...
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 10:38 am
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Re: Hammock tarp
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would anyone use Tyvek for this??






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#18246 From: Rick <ra1@...>
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 4:46 pm
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Re: Hammock tarp
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Tyvek is very loud, heavy, and bulky when used as a tarp.  I would not
use it.

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#18247 From: amendment2@...
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 11:56 am
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Re: Hammock tarp
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Yeah, really loud. It does get softer and quieter after washing it several
times. Still kinda loud though.



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#18248 From: eilismaura@...
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 12:08 pm
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Re: Hammock tarp
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In a message dated 11/6/07 11:57:16 AM, amendment2@... writes:


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> Yeah, really loud. It does get softer and quieter after washing it several
> times. Still kinda loud though.
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I used some this weekend for other things - that was softened after washing
just once -

I did not find it heavy at all and with all the handling it got it really
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#18252 From: amendment2@...
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 6:03 pm
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Re: Hammock tarp
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It's not on their site yet, but I just purchased on this  week.



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#18253 From: john hill <nil_dog@...>
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 8:10 am
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Re: Hammock tarp
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well, how much was the tarp and what are the dimensions?  how many tieouts are
there? does it come with tieout string or do you furnish you're own?

jfhill


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Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Re: Hammock tarp

It's not on their site yet, but I just purchased on this week.

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#18254 From: amendment2@...
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 1:31 pm
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Re: Hammock tarp
davidgfox
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10x11, 8 tie outs
from my invoice:
********************************************************************************\
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"?? WinterTarp??????????????????????????119.00
?? WinterTarp Accessory Kit????????17.00?
???As you know the WinterTarp is so new, it's not even advertized yet!??But I'm
certain you'll love it!??The accessory kit includes NoTangle GuideLines & a
silnylon stuff sack. "



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Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Re: Hammock tarp






well, how much was the tarp and what are the dimensions? how many tieouts are
there? does it come with tieout string or do you furnish you're own?

jfhill

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Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Re: Hammock tarp

It's not on their site yet, but I just purchased on this week.

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#18284 From: john hill <nil_dog@...>
Date: Wed Nov 14, 2007 5:12 am
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Re: Hammock tarp
nil_dog
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wow!.  thanks.

amendment2@... wrote: 10x11, 8 tie outs
from my invoice:
********************************************************************************\
**************
"?? WinterTarp??????????????????????????119.00
?? WinterTarp Accessory Kit????????17.00?
???As you know the WinterTarp is so new, it's not even advertized yet!??But I'm
certain you'll love it!??The accessory kit includes NoTangle GuideLines & a
silnylon stuff sack. "

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To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 2:10 am
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Re: Hammock tarp

well, how much was the tarp and what are the dimensions? how many tieouts are
there? does it come with tieout string or do you furnish you're own?

jfhill

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#18255 From: "Ed Speer" <ed@...>
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 1:35 pm
Subject: RE: [SPAM]Re: [Hammock Camping] Re: Hammock tarp
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Thanks for your interest in our new WinterTarp.  It's so new, it's not even
yet on the website-we're hoping to get an updated website up later this
week. We are now making the WinterTarp & have a few in stock. The price is
$119 for the tarp itself & $17 for the accessory kit that includes a
silnylon stuff sack & 10 NoTangle GuideLines.



The WinterTarp is 10'x11', catenary cut, silnylon, w/ 8 tie outs plus the
two ridgeline ties. Two 'door' panels on each end can be left open or
closed as much as needed to block wind or rain. While it was only 37F last
night, it was very windy & I was glad I had the WinterTarp.



Dave Womble designed this tarp, so he can speak about all of the individual
features better than I can. Dave has been out on a hike lately, but
hopefully he will post today & give more details



.Ed



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Editor, Hammock Camping News

Owner, Speer Hammocks Inc



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On Behalf Of john hill
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:11 AM
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SPAM]Re: [Hammock Camping] Re: Hammock tarp



well, how much was the tarp and what are the dimensions? how many tieouts
are there? does it come with tieout string or do you furnish you're own?

jfhill

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Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Re: Hammock tarp

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#18256 From: "Dave Womble" <dpwomble@...>
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 9:24 pm
Subject: [SPAM]Re: [Hammock Camping] Re: Hammock tarp
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Okay Ed, here is little blurb I put together on the new tarp.

The WinterTarp is the results of several generations of a class of
tarps that I call hammock tarptents. It is an 11 foot long by 10 foot
wide silnylon tarp with catenary curves along each of its ten edges
and four catenary darts. The basic concept is to provide a taut tarp
when pitched high for rain protection and a taut tarp when pitched low
for better wind protection as a hammock tarptent. Of course there
are other basic requirements as well such as simplicity and
functionality. In cold weather, simplicity and functionality are
paramount as even the simplest of chores can become difficult when you
are tired or cold and your equipment needs to do what you expect it to
do without a lot of adjustments or readjustments. One other feature
is that it has a steep pitch when used as a hammock tarptent to
encourage any snow to slide off the tarp rather than accumulate and
cause problems with stretching and sagging.

When pitched high for rain protection in a traditional A-frame
configuration the WinterTarp has a surprisingly taut pitch for such a
large silnylon tarp due to the innovative use of catenary darts at
strategic points on the tarp and the catenary curves along its edges.
It has two ridgeline tie outs and four tie outs on each side for a
total of ten tie outs. The center pair of tie outs on each side are
for the main body of the tarp and the corner tie outs can be pitched a
number of different ways. The corner tie outs can be pitched to
extend the tarp as a normal flat tarp or they can be angled inward.
The unique catenary darts allow for a taut pitch over a significant
range of angles for the corner tie outs.

When pitched low and the end flaps closed off, or partially closed
off, it becomes a tarptent for a hammock. Most of the time you will
only want it partially closed off as that is the best compromise for
most winter conditions when camping with a hammock. With the ends
partially close off there is more inside volume, it is easier to exit
and enter, and the wind can't hit you unless it blows through the tree
you are tied off to. This is great improvement over tarps that don't
offer this type of coverage in cool weather where exposure to wind can
be a problem. The approach on the WinterTarp tent is to use
overlapping flaps for doors to close or partially close off the ends
and to not have the tarp all the way to the ground, but very near the
ground. This blocks the wind from having a direct path to the hammock
as long as you pitch your hammock up off the ground and up inside the
tarp, and still provides adequate ventilation for when the wind isn't
blowing. Remember that conditions often change during the course of
the night where the wind sometimes is blowing and sometimes it isn't.
When the wind is blowing ventilation isn't an issue but when it isn't
blowing it is an issue and it can become a big issue real fast in
winter conditions.

Of course each person is free to experiment and find their own
favorite WinterTarp configuration for the conditions they encounter.
I think people will appreciate the simplicity and functionality of the
WinterTarp.

Dave Womble
aka Youngblood 2000
Designer of the Speer Segmented Pad Extender, the SnugFit Underquilt,
and the WinterTarp


--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Speer" <ed@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for your interest in our new WinterTarp. It's so new, it's
not even
> yet on the website-we're hoping to get an updated website up later this
> week. We are now making the WinterTarp & have a few in stock. The
price is
> $119 for the tarp itself & $17 for the accessory kit that includes a
> silnylon stuff sack & 10 NoTangle GuideLines.
>
>
>
> The WinterTarp is 10'x11', catenary cut, silnylon, w/ 8 tie outs
plus the
> two ridgeline ties. Two 'door' panels on each end can be left open or
> closed as much as needed to block wind or rain. While it was only
37F last
> night, it was very windy & I was glad I had the WinterTarp.
>
>
>
> Dave Womble designed this tarp, so he can speak about all of the
individual
> features better than I can. Dave has been out on a hike lately, but
> hopefully he will post today & give more details
>
>
>
> .Ed
>
>
>
> Moderator, Hammock Camping List
> Author, Hammock Camping, The Complete Guide
>
> Editor, Hammock Camping News
>
> Owner, Speer Hammocks Inc
>
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>
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[mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of john hill
> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:11 AM
> To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [SPAM]Re: [Hammock Camping] Re: Hammock tarp
>
>
>
> well, how much was the tarp and what are the dimensions? how many
tieouts
> are there? does it come with tieout string or do you furnish you're own?
>
> jfhill
>
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#18257 From: "Ed Speer" <ed@...>
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 10:27 pm
Subject: RE: WinterTarp
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Thanks Dave, I couldn't have said it better.  In fact, I like it so much I'm
adding your blurb to the WinterTarp page on the new website. BTY, the new
Speer Hammocks web site should go live late tonight..Ed



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#18258 From: tim garner <slowhike@...>
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 11:56 pm
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] RE: WinterTarp
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thanks ed & dave.  i'll pass along this info to the hammockforum group.
i think that's a fine price for such a large & nicely thought out tarp with so
much versatility.
i recently bought some silnylon from you w/ the intention of making another
tarp, but i may just use it for something else & just buy one of those! ...tim

Ed Speer <ed@...> wrote:
Thanks Dave, I couldn't have said it better. In fact, I like it so much I'm
adding your blurb to the WinterTarp page on the new website. BTY, the new
Speer Hammocks web site should go live late tonight..Ed



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Editor, Hammock Camping News

Owner, Speer Hammocks Inc





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#18259 From: amendment2@...
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 9:51 pm
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] RE: WinterTarp
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#18260 From: amendment2@...
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 9:55 pm
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] RE: WinterTarp
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Dave Womble,
I noticed in a tarp you made you had sewn two ties out in the field on each
side in addition to the tie outs around the edges. They looked like they made
more interior room by pulling the inside center of the tarp out away from
the hammock. Did you not include them in the winter tarp?
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#18262 From: "Dave Womble" <dpwomble@...>
Date: Thu Nov 8, 2007 4:20 am
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] RE: WinterTarp
dpwomble
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--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, amendment2@... wrote:
>
> Dave Womble,
> I noticed in a tarp you made you had sewn two ties out in the field
on each
> side in addition to the tie outs around the edges. They looked like
they made
> more interior room by pulling the inside center of the tarp out
away from
> the hammock. Did you not include them in the winter tarp?
> Dave Fox
>
>

Dave,

Those were in an earlier version of a winter tarp I made, this one
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/hammockcamping/photos/browse/8319 .
That looks good doesn't it? At one time a couple of years ago Ed
Speer and I talked about offering that version for sale but we were
not quite satisfied with it and never did offer that version for sale.
Problem is it doesn't work quite as well in winter conditions as it
looks like it would.

I learned a lot from that version of winter tarp. I learned I wanted
something simpler and I learned that what I wanted in a winter hammock
tarp was a little different than that. I learned I wanted something
that used fewer stakes and still gave me a taut pitch in the various
configurations I needed for winter use. I learned that you want to
block the wind from directly hitting you but still have ventilation
when the wind subsides without having to get up and re-stake anything.
I learned I didn't want to deal with hook and loop fasteners for
fastening a door when I wanted to enter or exit the tarp as they are
difficult to get hold of and align properly from inside the tarptent.
I learned I wanted steep sides to shed snow.

I went back to the proverbial drawing board and on my third version
for a simplified version came up with what Speer Hammocks now offers.
There are no hook and loop fasteners, I use an overlapping door
approach that pitches taut and doesn't drag along the ground. It
provides for reasonable wind protection and adequate ventilation at
the same time. The side pullouts for increasing the interior volume
you mentioned are gone, those are missed in a closed off tarptent
pitch but they added too much complexity, messed with the geometry
with the overlapping door technique, and flattened out the top of the
tarp making snow loads more of a problem... I don't think the maximum
closed off tarptent pitch will be used except in really bad conditions
and then you will have to hunker down and make due with a more
confined space than you might prefer. The catenary ridgeline is also
gone, I increased the depth of the catenary curves on the edges and
utilized four catenary darts along the hammock where the "door flaps"
hinge. Those do some interesting things for the tarp... they keep it
very taut over a variety of pitch options and do it exceptionally well
while allowing you to have steep sides when using the tarptent pitch
to help with snow buildup.

Dave, when I talked to Ed the other day he said he had already sent
you the WinterTarp. I wanted him to send you some shock cord to use
with the side tieouts but I was too late getting to him. The shock
cords are something Ed is planning on offering( for a small price of
course <grin>) once we get it documented how to attach them . I use
1/8" shock cord because that is what I have picked up locally, I think
Ed uses 3/32" shock cord. Either will work fine, one has a little
more tension and the other weighs a little less. I have used shock
cords on the side tieouts for my hammock tarps for years and really
like them. Basically I use 12" pieces of shockcord and loop it
through the side tieouts after I have tied the guyline on. That gives
me a doubled over piece of shockcord that is six inches long. For the
amount of stretch I get with the shockcord I use, I attach that with a
clove hitch in the guyline about 10 to 12 inches down, leaving 1/2 to
1 inch tails on the ends of the shockcord. These shockcords make life
a lot easier with the WinterTarp as it keeps tension on it when the
silnylon stretches, keeping it reasonably taut and it gives you a
convenient spot to hook your stakes when pitching it in the tarptent
configuration. Do you have some shockcord and understand what I am
trying to describe?

Dave Womble
aka Youngblood 2000
Designer of the Speer Segmented Pad Extender, SnugFit Underquilt, and
WinterTarp.




#18263 From: "Dave Womble" <dpwomble@...>
Date: Thu Nov 8, 2007 4:29 am
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] RE: WinterTarp
dpwomble
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Opps, I said "hammock" in one place where I should have said "tarp".
This is what that sentence should have said:

"The catenary ridgeline is also gone, I increased the depth of the
catenary curves on the edges and utilized four catenary darts along
the TARP where the "door flaps" hinge. Those do some interesting
things for the tarp... they keep it very taut over a variety of pitch
options and do it exceptionally well while allowing you to have steep
sides when using the tarptent pitch to help with snow buildup."




#18266 From: amendment2@...
Date: Thu Nov 8, 2007 1:36 pm
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] RE: WinterTarp
davidgfox
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Dave Wamble:
If I understand you correctly, y

In a message dated 11/7/2007 10:20:46 PM Central Standard Time,
dpwomble@... writes:

Dave, when I talked to Ed the other day he said he had already sent
you the WinterTarp. I wanted him to send you some shock cord to use
with the side tieouts but I was too late getting to him. The shock
cords are something Ed is planning on offering( for a small price of
course <grin>) once we get it documented how to attach them . I use
1/8" shock cord because that is what I have picked up locally, I think
Ed uses 3/32" shock cord. Either will work fine, one has a little
more tension and the other weighs a little less. I have used shock
cords on the side tieouts for my hammock tarps for years and really
like them. Basically I use 12" pieces of shockcord and loop it
through the side tieouts after I have tied the guyline on. That gives
me a doubled over piece of shockcord that is six inches long. For the
amount of stretch I get with the shockcord I use, I attach that with a
clove hitch in the guyline about 10 to 12 inches down, leaving 1/2 to
1 inch tails on the ends of the shockcord. These shockcords make life
a lot easier with the WinterTarp as it keeps tension on it when the
silnylon stretches, keeping it reasonably taut and it gives you a
convenient spot to hook your stakes when pitching it in the tarptent
configuration. Do you have some shockcord and understand what I am
trying to describe?







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#18267 From: amendment2@...
Date: Thu Nov 8, 2007 1:39 pm
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] RE: WinterTarp
davidgfox
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Dave Womble:
If I understand you correctly, you are describing putting a tensioning
spring in the guy lines using very small bungie cord. Then tying your guy lines
out using the stretch in the bungies. If the tarp gets slackness in it, the
bungies will contract smaller and keep the tarp tight.
Dave Fox

In a message dated 11/7/2007 10:20:46 PM Central Standard Time,
dpwomble@... writes:

Dave, when I talked to Ed the other day he said he had already sent
you the WinterTarp. I wanted him to send you some shock cord to use
with the side tieouts but I was too late getting to him. The shock
cords are something Ed is planning on offering( for a small price of
course <grin>) once we get it documented how to attach them . I use
1/8" shock cord because that is what I have picked up locally, I think
Ed uses 3/32" shock cord. Either will work fine, one has a little
more tension and the other weighs a little less. I have used shock
cords on the side tieouts for my hammock tarps for years and really
like them. Basically I use 12" pieces of shockcord and loop it
through the side tieouts after I have tied the guyline on. That gives
me a doubled over piece of shockcord that is six inches long. For the
amount of stretch I get with the shockcord I use, I attach that with a
clove hitch in the guyline about 10 to 12 inches down, leaving 1/2 to
1 inch tails on the ends of the shockcord. These shockcords make life
a lot easier with the WinterTarp as it keeps tension on it when the
silnylon stretches, keeping it reasonably taut and it gives you a
convenient spot to hook your stakes when pitching it in the tarptent
configuration. Do you have some shockcord and understand what I am
trying to describe?







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#18268 From: "Dave Womble" <dpwomble@...>
Date: Thu Nov 8, 2007 6:51 pm
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] RE: WinterTarp
dpwomble
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--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, amendment2@... wrote:
>
>
> Dave Womble:
> If I understand you correctly, you are describing putting a
tensioning
> spring in the guy lines using very small bungie cord. Then tying
your guy lines
> out using the stretch in the bungies. If the tarp gets slackness in
it, the
> bungies will contract smaller and keep the tarp tight.
> Dave Fox
>

Correct.




#18269 From: "Ralph Oborn" <Ralph.oborn@...>
Date: Fri Nov 9, 2007 5:10 am
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] RE: WinterTarp
polecatpop
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Basically I use 12" pieces of shockcord and  loop it
through the side tieouts after I have tied the guyline on. That gives
me a doubled over piece of shockcord that is six inches long.


I tried that (apparently using too much bungie) and later at night tripped
over the line.
The sharp stake pulled out of the ground under an extreme amount of tension
then launched itself spear gun fashion towards my brand new HH with faithful
thermareast inside. Just missing diasaster I did the following

1. did away with bungie
2. got brighter lines
3. got a brighter occupant :]



Ralph


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#18270 From: Cara Lin Bridgman <caralinb@...>
Date: Fri Nov 9, 2007 5:32 am
Subject: Bungies & self-tensioning lines, was WinterTarp
shokulan
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First thing I did when I got my hammock was substitute all those black
lines and bungies for HOT PINK mason's twine. Even by doing that, there
isn't enough of the pink to mess with any stealth aspects of camping.
From a few meters away, neither the pink line nor the hammock are all
that noticeable. Reasons were to keep me from losing my stakes and bits
of twine and to keep me from getting tangled up in my hammock's web...

I suppose day-glow orange twine would work, too, but think that's more
likely to blend in with fall leaves.

I bought a roll of gold bungie--the sort used to wrap Christmas presents
and gift boxes. It is definitely visible. The only problem is the
metallic covering tends to abrade and break the bungie. I've since
found some white light-weight bungie cord.

Another option would be the bungie-like pony-tail ties. These come in
designer colors. Just tie them to the end of your line and then put the
stake through the loop.

CL




 
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