nice spot yall found there!

Billy Chard <bc100s@...> wrote:  Hello all
I am new to this forum so thought i would share a lil from my last
camping trip in Devils Fork.

me and a buddy and our Hammock's yall take a look and enjoy

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--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Billy Chard" <bc100s@...> wrote:
>
> Gary love the pics.. i have an ENO set up as well.. i see that
yellow rope you have tied under you rain fly what was that for?
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Garry
>   To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 1:17 PM
>   Subject: [Hammock Camping] Beach Hammock set-up
>
>
>   Went San Gregorio beach this weekend to try setting up the hammock and
>   experiment how to set up in such conditions. This beach has lots and
>   lots of drift wood.
>   First I found a few rather large logs and did a few drop tests on some
>   other logs to listen for any cracks or deadwood type noises.
>   Then dug a small but arm length holes with my hands. Set the poles
at a
>   bit of an outward angle \ / , a bit wider than I would normally look
>   for in width. set up the hammock and gingerly climbed in. the logs did
>   straighten up a bit. But the held great with only about 24-30" of hole
>   depth. Next time I will pack some wetter sand in the front to stop too
>   much movement, maybe add a few smaller sticks to shim the hole a bit
>   perhaps.
>   Set up the rain fly for some shade and enjoyed my vanilla soda and
a wee
>   nap.
>   Next time it is rock hang experiments with a trip to rei for some
>   climbing nuts. I think most of the fun for me is trying to find new
>   places to hang!
>   Put some pictures in
>   http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/hammockcamping/photos/browse/13b0
>   garrys_pics folder here in the group photos.
>
>   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
The yellow cord is not really functional in this setup since the poles
flexed too much. Normally it is a structural ridge line. It functions
to keep the exact same hang angle by pulling the slap straps tight so
the cord is as hand pull tight as I can, then the hammock hangs from
the biners at the same angle each time. I spent 2 night last weekend
camping in the hammock and having a consistent hang each night made
all the difference in comfort. Plus it helps hang the bug net without
the extra line, and gives me somewhere to hang gear inside at night.
-g

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Billy Chard" <bc100s@...> wrote:
>
> Hello all
> I am new to this forum so thought i would share a lil from my last
> camping trip in Devils Fork.
>
> me and a buddy and our Hammock's  yall take a look and enjoy
>
> http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/hammockcamping/photos/browse/ad37?c=
>

Nice pics and welcome to the group!

Thats interesting. i need to find more info on that do you know where i can find
out about structual ridgelines
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Garry
   To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 11:26 PM
   Subject: [Hammock Camping] Re: Beach Hammock set-up


   --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Billy Chard" <bc100s@...> wrote:
   >
   > Gary love the pics.. i have an ENO set up as well.. i see that
   yellow rope you have tied under you rain fly what was that for?
   >
   >
   > ----- Original Message -----
   > From: Garry
   > To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
   > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 1:17 PM
   > Subject: [Hammock Camping] Beach Hammock set-up
   >
   >
   > Went San Gregorio beach this weekend to try setting up the hammock and
   > experiment how to set up in such conditions. This beach has lots and
   > lots of drift wood.
   > First I found a few rather large logs and did a few drop tests on some
   > other logs to listen for any cracks or deadwood type noises.
   > Then dug a small but arm length holes with my hands. Set the poles
   at a
   > bit of an outward angle \ / , a bit wider than I would normally look
   > for in width. set up the hammock and gingerly climbed in. the logs did
   > straighten up a bit. But the held great with only about 24-30" of hole
   > depth. Next time I will pack some wetter sand in the front to stop too
   > much movement, maybe add a few smaller sticks to shim the hole a bit
   > perhaps.
   > Set up the rain fly for some shade and enjoyed my vanilla soda and
   a wee
   > nap.
   > Next time it is rock hang experiments with a trip to rei for some
   > climbing nuts. I think most of the fun for me is trying to find new
   > places to hang!
   > Put some pictures in
   > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/hammockcamping/photos/browse/13b0
   > garrys_pics folder here in the group photos.
   >
   > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
   >
   The yellow cord is not really functional in this setup since the poles
   flexed too much. Normally it is a structural ridge line. It functions
   to keep the exact same hang angle by pulling the slap straps tight so
   the cord is as hand pull tight as I can, then the hammock hangs from
   the biners at the same angle each time. I spent 2 night last weekend
   camping in the hammock and having a consistent hang each night made
   all the difference in comfort. Plus it helps hang the bug net without
   the extra line, and gives me somewhere to hang gear inside at night.
   -g






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billy... i don't use a structural ridge line... at least not like most people
do.
    mine is left tied to the hammock support on the foot end, but i tie it to the
tree at the head end after i hang the hammock.  but i may soon change that.
      it's purpose is to hold up storage end covers(SEC).   the SECs protect the
hammock ends from blowing rain, allowing me to keep the tarp higher for better
ventilation & a better view.
      they also provide storage for all my gear when the hammock's hung.

    there are others here that can tell you a lot more about choosing a suitable
line to use,  setting the proper length, etc.
        one good source for seeing an explanation of ridge lines & a lot more is
jeff's web site
   http://www.tothewoods.net/
   ...tim

Billy Chard <bc100s@...> wrote:
   Thats interesting. i need to find more info on that do you know where i can
find out about structual ridgelines


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--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Billy Chard" <bc100s@...> wrote:
>
> Thats interesting. i need to find more info on that do you know
where i can find out about structual ridgelines
>   ----- Original Message -----

Billy,

You will want to use a low stretch rope or webbing for a structural
ridgeline (basically no nylon stuff).  There are a few files in my
folders on this group that talk about the technical aspects of
structural ridgelines
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hammockcamping/files/Youngblood%27s/ .
If you have any questions about any of it after you have looked it
over, let me know.

Dave Womble
aka Youngblood
designer of the Speer Segmented Pad Extender and the SnugFit Underquilt

Hi Everyone

I don't seem to have much of a chance to enter into any discussions
lately too many trips, though I do read most of the e-mails. Good stuff!!

I was guiding a trip on the 'West Coast Trail' off of Vancouver Island,
BC,  2 weeks ago and for the first time I used my Hennessey hammock out
there.
I had used a Siam hammock before but was not happy with it. The
Hennessey is more stable, though hanging out there does create its own
issues. I will send pictures later.
On the 5th night out at 52 km it poured with rain at 5am for over an
hour. My hammock got soaked and I found myself running into one of my
clients tents for shelter (not a good thing).. So I tightened everything
down the next night as well as adjusted it as much as possible, well it
rained again the next night and yes it leaked again not as bad and was
able to get on my side enough that it did not get my sleeping bag.
So now I am thinking of a bigger tarp or ANY suggestions would do.
I cannot afford that to happen in the mountains at all. Not using my
hammock would not be a good thing. I do have a Hennessey Ultra light

Thanks
Debbie in Calgary, Alberta, Canada

So now I am thinking of a bigger tarp or ANY suggestions would do.
I cannot afford that to happen in the mountains at all. Not using my
hammock would not be a good thing. I do have a Hennessey Ultra light

Thanks
Debbie in Calgary, Alberta, Canada





Was it leaking in through the sides of the tarp, or just coming in the ends?


A bigger tarp would help either way,

If from the sides or ends

    - you could pitch the tarp lower
    - You could pitch it tighter (steeper) closer to the hammock
    -

Is the water running down the rope?
A drip interupter would help  (Piece of twine on the rope just under the
tarp)


Ralph


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yep... what ralph said.  a lot of people (even light weight backpackers) get a
bigger tarp.
   a silnylon tarp is lightest.    speer hammocks sells them.

     it's a BIG help if you can hang the tarp side ways to the primary wind
direction, so the side of the tarp will catch most of the wind & rain.

      hang the tarp lower (closer to the hammock) when needed.  some folks will
attach the tarp line to the tree BELOW the hammock support. it will be against
the hammock, but when you get in the hammock, it will hang several inches lower,
leaving a space between the hammock & the tarp.  but the lower tarp will cover
the hammock sides if it's blowing rain.

      be sure the tarp is centered over the hammock.  if there's rain & wind, you
may need to look at using something to provide additional coverage at one or
both ends of the tarp.
      a rain jacket or an umbrella are a couple good options.

     and a rain diverter of some kind may be needed in heavy rain, because a
surprising amount of water will be running down the sides of a tree in heavy
rain, & some of that can make it's way down the hammock supports. but a cotton
strip tied to the rope & hanging down will divert just about all of it down to
the ground.

      let us know if you have more questions. hammocking in hard rain is very
doable.  matter of fact, there's no place i'd rather be than in my hammock when
the rain's pouring down<g>.
       ...tim


Debbie <dvanberk@...> wrote:
   Hi Everyone

I don't seem to have much of a chance to enter into any discussions
lately too many trips, though I do read most of the e-mails. Good stuff!!

I was guiding a trip on the 'West Coast Trail' off of Vancouver Island,
BC, 2 weeks ago and for the first time I used my Hennessey hammock out
there.
I had used a Siam hammock before but was not happy with it. The
Hennessey is more stable, though hanging out there does create its own
issues. I will send pictures later.
On the 5th night out at 52 km it poured with rain at 5am for over an
hour. My hammock got soaked and I found myself running into one of my
clients tents for shelter (not a good thing).. So I tightened everything
down the next night as well as adjusted it as much as possible, well it
rained again the next night and yes it leaked again not as bad and was
able to get on my side enough that it did not get my sleeping bag.
So now I am thinking of a bigger tarp or ANY suggestions would do.
I cannot afford that to happen in the mountains at all. Not using my
hammock would not be a good thing. I do have a Hennessey Ultra light

Thanks
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Billy,
Using Youngblood's article on sag angles, I came up with a 102 inch
ridgeline for my ENO Double Nest hammock.  It's Parra cord attached
via carabinas and I wouldn't consider it structural.  Regardless, it
gives me a straight line to level the set up with and an almost
perfect unoccupied 30 degree hang every single time.  The angle
changes when I get in, but this is the "feel' I'm used to and like.
Then there is the advantage of hanging things on it when I'm in the
hammock.
All around I owe thanks to Dave (Youngblood) for the idea that is
the best addition to my set up I've yet to come across.

CHRIS

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Billy Chard" <bc100s@...>
wrote:
>
> Thats interesting. i need to find more info on that do you know
where i can find out about structual ridgelines
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Garry
>   To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 11:26 PM
>   Subject: [Hammock Camping] Re: Beach Hammock set-up
>
>
>   --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Billy Chard" <bc100s@>
wrote:
>   >
>   > Gary love the pics.. i have an ENO set up as well.. i see that
>   yellow rope you have tied under you rain fly what was that for?
>   >
>   >
>   > ----- Original Message -----
>   > From: Garry
>   > To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
>   > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 1:17 PM
>   > Subject: [Hammock Camping] Beach Hammock set-up
>   >
>   >
>   > Went San Gregorio beach this weekend to try setting up the
hammock and
>   > experiment how to set up in such conditions. This beach has
lots and
>   > lots of drift wood.
>   > First I found a few rather large logs and did a few drop tests
on some
>   > other logs to listen for any cracks or deadwood type noises.
>   > Then dug a small but arm length holes with my hands. Set the
poles
>   at a
>   > bit of an outward angle \ / , a bit wider than I would
normally look
>   > for in width. set up the hammock and gingerly climbed in. the
logs did
>   > straighten up a bit. But the held great with only about 24-30"
of hole
>   > depth. Next time I will pack some wetter sand in the front to
stop too
>   > much movement, maybe add a few smaller sticks to shim the hole
a bit
>   > perhaps.
>   > Set up the rain fly for some shade and enjoyed my vanilla soda
and
>   a wee
>   > nap.
>   > Next time it is rock hang experiments with a trip to rei for
some
>   > climbing nuts. I think most of the fun for me is trying to
find new
>   > places to hang!
>   > Put some pictures in
>   >
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/hammockcamping/photos/browse/13b0
>   > garrys_pics folder here in the group photos.
>   >
>   > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>   >
>   The yellow cord is not really functional in this setup since the
poles
>   flexed too much. Normally it is a structural ridge line. It
functions
>   to keep the exact same hang angle by pulling the slap straps
tight so
>   the cord is as hand pull tight as I can, then the hammock hangs
from
>   the biners at the same angle each time. I spent 2 night last
weekend
>   camping in the hammock and having a consistent hang each night
made
>   all the difference in comfort. Plus it helps hang the bug net
without
>   the extra line, and gives me somewhere to hang gear inside at
night.
>   -g
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I thought I would add this to Ralph's comments.  It is obvious when
you look at it and most people recognize the issue right away... but
sometimes people miss it the first time they use it.  Some of the
Hennessy tarps are not symmetrical and they have to be oriented the
correct way or the ends of the hammock are exposed directly to rain.

Dave Womble
aka Youngblood
designer of the Speer Segmented Pad Extender and Snugfit Underquilt

Thanks for that tid bit, i have an ENO double nest as well,  just for giggles i
will try the 102 inch ridgline and see how that works for me .. nothing else it
will give me a baseline to start with..

You All are Great
Thanks for all the tips
Billy
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: wootres4
   To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 10:57 AM
   Subject: [Hammock Camping] Re: Beach Hammock set-up


   Billy,
   Using Youngblood's article on sag angles, I came up with a 102 inch
   ridgeline for my ENO Double Nest hammock. It's Parra cord attached
   via carabinas and I wouldn't consider it structural. Regardless, it
   gives me a straight line to level the set up with and an almost
   perfect unoccupied 30 degree hang every single time. The angle
   changes when I get in, but this is the "feel' I'm used to and like.
   Then there is the advantage of hanging things on it when I'm in the
   hammock.
   All around I owe thanks to Dave (Youngblood) for the idea that is
   the best addition to my set up I've yet to come across.

   CHRIS

   --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Billy Chard" <bc100s@...>
   wrote:
   >
   > Thats interesting. i need to find more info on that do you know
   where i can find out about structual ridgelines
   > ----- Original Message -----
   > From: Garry
   > To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
   > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 11:26 PM
   > Subject: [Hammock Camping] Re: Beach Hammock set-up
   >
   >
   > --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Billy Chard" <bc100s@>
   wrote:
   > >
   > > Gary love the pics.. i have an ENO set up as well.. i see that
   > yellow rope you have tied under you rain fly what was that for?
   > >
   > >
   > > ----- Original Message -----
   > > From: Garry
   > > To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
   > > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 1:17 PM
   > > Subject: [Hammock Camping] Beach Hammock set-up
   > >
   > >
   > > Went San Gregorio beach this weekend to try setting up the
   hammock and
   > > experiment how to set up in such conditions. This beach has
   lots and
   > > lots of drift wood.
   > > First I found a few rather large logs and did a few drop tests
   on some
   > > other logs to listen for any cracks or deadwood type noises.
   > > Then dug a small but arm length holes with my hands. Set the
   poles
   > at a
   > > bit of an outward angle \ / , a bit wider than I would
   normally look
   > > for in width. set up the hammock and gingerly climbed in. the
   logs did
   > > straighten up a bit. But the held great with only about 24-30"
   of hole
   > > depth. Next time I will pack some wetter sand in the front to
   stop too
   > > much movement, maybe add a few smaller sticks to shim the hole
   a bit
   > > perhaps.
   > > Set up the rain fly for some shade and enjoyed my vanilla soda
   and
   > a wee
   > > nap.
   > > Next time it is rock hang experiments with a trip to rei for
   some
   > > climbing nuts. I think most of the fun for me is trying to
   find new
   > > places to hang!
   > > Put some pictures in
   > >
   http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/hammockcamping/photos/browse/13b0
   > > garrys_pics folder here in the group photos.
   > >
   > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > >
   > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
   > >
   > The yellow cord is not really functional in this setup since the
   poles
   > flexed too much. Normally it is a structural ridge line. It
   functions
   > to keep the exact same hang angle by pulling the slap straps
   tight so
   > the cord is as hand pull tight as I can, then the hammock hangs
   from
   > the biners at the same angle each time. I spent 2 night last
   weekend
   > camping in the hammock and having a consistent hang each night
   made
   > all the difference in comfort. Plus it helps hang the bug net
   without
   > the extra line, and gives me somewhere to hang gear inside at
   night.
   > -g
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
   >






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that's true. i've seen it happen more than once.  it's not really obvious that
the fly is on up side down, & like dave said, it just doesn't line up that way.
...tim

Dave Womble <dpwomble@...> wrote:  I thought I would add this to Ralph's
comments. It is obvious when
you look at it and most people recognize the issue right away... but
sometimes people miss it the first time they use it. Some of the
Hennessy tarps are not symmetrical and they have to be oriented the
correct way or the ends of the hammock are exposed directly to rain.

Dave Womble
aka Youngblood
designer of the Speer Segmented Pad Extender and Snugfit Underquilt




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Thanks for the ideas. Yes I had learnt the angle of the tarp the hard way a
couple of months ago. The water did come down from the tie off ends and not
through the fly.  I am interested in the tarp through Speer. is it on the web
site and would it fit the Hennessy. The cotton idea sounds interesting. Will do
as well.
Debbie

----- Original Message -----
From: tim garner <slowhike@...>
Date: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 1:33 pm
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Leaky hammock
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com

>   that's true. i've seen it happen more than once.
> it's not really obvious that the fly is on up side down, & like
> dave said, it just doesn't line up that way.   ...tim
>
> Dave Womble <dpwomble@...> wrote:  I thought I
> would add this to Ralph's comments. It is obvious when
> you look at it and most people recognize the issue right away... but
> sometimes people miss it the first time they use it. Some of the
> Hennessy tarps are not symmetrical and they have to be oriented the
> correct way or the ends of the hammock are exposed directly to rain.
>
> Dave Womble
> aka Youngblood
> designer of the Speer Segmented Pad Extender and Snugfit Underquilt
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
> don`t leave the CREATOR out of the creation!!!
>
>
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> Yahoo! Games.
>
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>


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--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Womble" <dpwomble@...> wrote:
>
> Some of the
> Hennessy tarps are not symmetrical and they have to be oriented the
> correct way or the ends of the hammock are exposed directly to rain.

Ya know, think I'll break out the sharpies and deface my tarp and
support lines just enough to color code the ends.

David King

not a bad idea.
    i did that w/ a foot print i used for a small tent i used (back in my bad
days<g>)
     it had an off set shape that was not immediately obvious to see one side
from the other when time came to lay it out.


dt king <whipmaker@...> wrote:
   --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Womble" wrote:
>
> Some of the
> Hennessy tarps are not symmetrical and they have to be oriented the
> correct way or the ends of the hammock are exposed directly to rain.

Ya know, think I'll break out the sharpies and deface my tarp and
support lines just enough to color code the ends.

David King




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That's one of the first things I did when I got my HH, but I used
white-out mixed in glow-in-the-dark fingernail polish (white-out by day,
polish by night).  I marked the plastic ring on the tarp and the plastic
hook on the hammock.  As it turns out, I ended up not using the marks as
the water-bottle funnels/fly tensioners made the match much more
intuitive.

Another thing I did was exchange the tarp lines for pink and white.
This was to keep me and others from tripping over them.  I could have
used Trip-Tease, but I already had the the other colors.

CL

tim garner wrote:
> dt king <whipmaker@...> wrote:
> Ya know, think I'll break out the sharpies and deface my tarp and
> support lines just enough to color code the ends.
>
> David King

You might consider tying a knot around or in the end of the lines so you can
tell them apart in the dark. Same knots in the hammock and tarp lines help
you match things up when it's a dark and stormy night.

C

   -----Original Message-----
   From: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of tim garner
   Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 9:07 PM
   To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Re: Leaky hammock


   not a bad idea.
   i did that w/ a foot print i used for a small tent i used (back in my bad
days<g>)
   it had an off set shape that was not immediately obvious to see one side
from the other when time came to lay it out.


   dt king <whipmaker@...> wrote:
   --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Womble" wrote:
   >
   > Some of the
   > Hennessy tarps are not symmetrical and they have to be oriented the
   > correct way or the ends of the hammock are exposed directly to rain.

   Ya know, think I'll break out the sharpies and deface my tarp and
   support lines just enough to color code the ends.

   David King

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i would suggest not tying an unnecessary knot in the line, especially the
hammock support line.  knots weaken a rope or webbing.
      i tie a piece of colored string around one end.  red for red head???

Carey Parks <Carey@...> wrote:
   You might consider tying a knot around or in the end of the lines so you can
tell them apart in the dark. Same knots in the hammock and tarp lines help
you match things up when it's a dark and stormy night.

C

-----Original Message-----
From: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of tim garner
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 9:07 PM
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Re: Leaky hammock


not a bad idea.
i did that w/ a foot print i used for a small tent i used (back in my bad
days)
it had an off set shape that was not immediately obvious to see one side
from the other when time came to lay it out.


dt king wrote:
--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Womble" wrote:
>
> Some of the
> Hennessy tarps are not symmetrical and they have to be oriented the
> correct way or the ends of the hammock are exposed directly to rain.

Ya know, think I'll break out the sharpies and deface my tarp and
support lines just enough to color code the ends.

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---- tim garner <slowhike@...> wrote:
>    i would suggest not tying an unnecessary knot in the line, especially the
hammock support line.  knots weaken a rope or webbing.
>      i tie a piece of colored string around one end.  red for red head???

...and blue for shoe :;^}

Brian
T-Back

The most valuable things in life are free. They are gifts of grace and
> are ours for the asking...walk in faith.

A small colored nylon cable tie (zip tie) works well too.

Stoikurt

-----Original Message-----
From: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
opnheartscrub@...
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 7:14 AM
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Cc: tim garner
Subject: RE: [Hammock Camping] Re: Leaky hammock

---- tim garner <slowhike@...> wrote:
>    i would suggest not tying an unnecessary knot in the line,
especially the hammock support line.  knots weaken a rope or webbing.
>      i tie a piece of colored string around one end.  red for red
head???

...and blue for shoe :;^}

Brian
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---- "Stuhr wrote:
> A small colored nylon cable tie (zip tie) works well too.
>
> Stoikurt
>

That's exactly what I used to use.  It's lightweight, durable, and doesn't get
in the way.

Brian
T-Back

The most valuable things in life are free. They are gifts of grace and
> are ours for the asking...walk in faith.

Back when I used a hammock that had a unique head end and foot end I
didn't mark which end was which but I did keep up with where each end
was.  I used a large enough stuff sack to easily stuff the hammock
into it and I stuffed it so I knew which end came out of the stuff
sack first.   To do that you have to properly stuff it and I did that
by untying the foot end, rolling up the suspension line, putting that
in the stuff sack first, then stuff a foot or so of the hammock at a
time until I got to the second tree, then I would untie that, roll
that suspension line and finishing stuffing.  That leaves the
suspension line for the headend at the top of the stuff sack.  So when
you deploy it, you take out the suspension line for the head end, tie
that off and just hold on to the bottom end

In simpler terms it goes like this and it is no problem if you can
keep up with it (head out... foot in... just like a sleeping bag):

1- Use large enough stuff sack to easily stuff the hammock.

2- Always stuff the foot end first (that's the 'in' part).

3- Always deploy the head end first (that's the 'out' part).

Dave Womble
aka Youngblood 2000
designer of the Speer Segmented Pad Extender and SnugFit Underquilt


--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, <opnheartscrub@...> wrote:
>
> ---- tim garner <slowhike@...> wrote:
> >    i would suggest not tying an unnecessary knot in the line,
especially the hammock support line.  knots weaken a rope or webbing.
> >      i tie a piece of colored string around one end.  red for red
head???
>
> ...and blue for shoe :;^}
>
> Brian
> T-Back
>
> The most valuable things in life are free. They are gifts of grace and
> > are ours for the asking...walk in faith.
>

Note that I specifically said "IN THE END" of the lines, so the knot is not
involved in doing any work. It is good that you remind folks not to put
knots (or leave knots that tie themselves) in their cordage since it does
reduce the working strength of the line.

I tied a turkshead knot around the suspension line of my hammock with thin
bright orange line. Thus I can both see and feel the head end of my hammock.
In the tarp, since it is an asym Hennessy I did the same thing, plus I added
a single overhand knot in the end of the left-as-you-lie-in-it (aka port)
guy and two in the end of the other one.

As you mention, in no case is it wise to have the load passing thru a knot
you don't need.

Cheers,

Carey

   -----Original Message-----
   From: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of tim garner
   Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 6:26 AM
   To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: RE: [Hammock Camping] Re: Leaky hammock


   i would suggest not tying an unnecessary knot in the line, especially the
hammock support line. knots weaken a rope or webbing.
   i tie a piece of colored string around one end. red for red head???

   Carey Parks <Carey@...> wrote:
   You might consider tying a knot around or in the end of the lines so you
can
   tell them apart in the dark. Same knots in the hammock and tarp lines help
   you match things up when it's a dark and stormy night.

   C

   -----Original Message-----
   From: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
   [mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of tim garner
   Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 9:07 PM
   To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Re: Leaky hammock

   not a bad idea.
   i did that w/ a foot print i used for a small tent i used (back in my bad
   days)
   it had an off set shape that was not immediately obvious to see one side
   from the other when time came to lay it out.

   dt king wrote:
   --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Womble" wrote:
   >
   > Some of the
   > Hennessy tarps are not symmetrical and they have to be oriented the
   > correct way or the ends of the hammock are exposed directly to rain.

   Ya know, think I'll break out the sharpies and deface my tarp and
   support lines just enough to color code the ends.

   David King

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That's exactly what I do.  Also, I have a stuff sack large enough so the
hammock and the JBR nest can easily go in all together.  Saves fiddling
around with set up and take down.  I think it's easier on the nest to
put it into a large stuff sack and then have heavier things compress it
into my pack than to cram it into the little silnylon bag it comes with.

Also, when setting up, I try to tie up the head end first at the more
awkward place to set up.  Then I do all my adjusting at the foot end to
get the angles right (I like head a little lower).

CL

Dave Womble wrote:
> Back when I used a hammock that had a unique head end and foot end I
> didn't mark which end was which but I did keep up with where each end
> was.  I used a large enough stuff sack to easily stuff the hammock
> into it and I stuffed it so I knew which end came out of the stuff
> sack first.   To do that you have to properly stuff it and I did that
> by untying the foot end, rolling up the suspension line, putting that
> in the stuff sack first, then stuff a foot or so of the hammock at a
> time until I got to the second tree, then I would untie that, roll
> that suspension line and finishing stuffing.  That leaves the
> suspension line for the headend at the top of the stuff sack.  So when
> you deploy it, you take out the suspension line for the head end, tie
> that off and just hold on to the bottom end
>
> In simpler terms it goes like this and it is no problem if you can
> keep up with it (head out... foot in... just like a sleeping bag):
>
> 1- Use large enough stuff sack to easily stuff the hammock.
>
> 2- Always stuff the foot end first (that's the 'in' part).
>
> 3- Always deploy the head end first (that's the 'out' part).
>
> Dave Womble
> aka Youngblood 2000
> designer of the Speer Segmented Pad Extender and SnugFit Underquilt

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Number 1 was Homer, Alaska

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ok, i see what you're saying now. the knot is tied in the end of the line that
hangs loose.
   that makes much better sense<g>  thanks

Carey Parks <Carey@...> wrote:
   Note that I specifically said "IN THE END" of the lines, so the knot is not
involved in doing any work. It is good that you remind folks not to put
knots (or leave knots that tie themselves) in their cordage since it does
reduce the working strength of the line.

I tied a turkshead knot around the suspension line of my hammock with thin
bright orange line. Thus I can both see and feel the head end of my hammock.
In the tarp, since it is an asym Hennessy I did the same thing, plus I added
a single overhand knot in the end of the left-as-you-lie-in-it (aka port)
guy and two in the end of the other one.

As you mention, in no case is it wise to have the load passing thru a knot
you don't need.

Cheers,

Carey

-----Original Message-----
From: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of tim garner
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 6:26 AM
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Hammock Camping] Re: Leaky hammock


i would suggest not tying an unnecessary knot in the line, especially the
hammock support line. knots weaken a rope or webbing.
i tie a piece of colored string around one end. red for red head???

Carey Parks wrote:
You might consider tying a knot around or in the end of the lines so you
can
tell them apart in the dark. Same knots in the hammock and tarp lines help
you match things up when it's a dark and stormy night.

C

-----Original Message-----
From: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of tim garner
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 9:07 PM
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Re: Leaky hammock

not a bad idea.
i did that w/ a foot print i used for a small tent i used (back in my bad
days)
it had an off set shape that was not immediately obvious to see one side
from the other when time came to lay it out.

dt king wrote:
--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Womble" wrote:
>
> Some of the
> Hennessy tarps are not symmetrical and they have to be oriented the
> correct way or the ends of the hammock are exposed directly to rain.

Ya know, think I'll break out the sharpies and deface my tarp and
support lines just enough to color code the ends.

David King

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Mentioned in this months ID design magazine.
Turns from a backpack into a hammock with 3 attach points.
Thought the groups would find this interesting.

http://www.cca.edu/gallery/view/1460/515

I just went through this myself.  I am prepping for a 2 month AT
section hike.  So during a recent rainy evening I took my stock
Hennessey Expedition Asym out in the backyard for the night.  I
started out with the tarp flipped the wrong way.  When setting up
make sure the corners of the tarp are centered over the tie-outs on
the hammock.  If not flip it over and check again.

But even after I had it setup properly I had a wet night.  I did have
drip lines tied to both ends.  My problem was that the stock tarp
ties directly to the main suspension line.  No matter how tight you
get the tarp as soon as you get in it will sag.

I managed to stay out all night but I was definitley damp.  And this
was a fairly gentle rain with no wind.  In a storm I would be risking
hypothermia with my down bag.  I'm sure with careful setup and alot
of experience this tarp would suffice.  But I don't want to be out
with a measuring tape in the middle of storm.

I opted for a 9'x9' tarp that I tie off directly to the trees.  This
way you can tie it off lower than the main suspension line.  When you
get in the tarp and hammock are nice and close.  Also the additional
tarp size can be staked down to the ground to fully stop all blowing
wind and rain.  Finally since you carry it separately you can setup
just the tarp when the rain begins.  That way you can be nice and dry
while you setup your hammock and camp.

I couldn't afford a light silnylon tarp so I went with this one.
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=97247
It is a little heavier but the material won't stretch and it is cheap.

Homeless Hammock?  You're right, that is interesting.  The guy that
designed this one visited this site a few years back
http://www.backpacking.net/gear-reviews/sss/ and there are some
similarities.

Dave Womble
aka Youngblood 2000
designer of the Speer Segmented Pad Extender and SnugFit Underquilt

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Garry" <garryjirvine@...> wrote:
>
> Mentioned in this months ID design magazine.
> Turns from a backpack into a hammock with 3 attach points.
> Thought the groups would find this interesting.
>
> http://www.cca.edu/gallery/view/1460/515
>