gerzon



a picture is worth a thousand words. I'm fuzzy on the big picture



Pretty please??



Tom





>From: gerzson <gerzson@...>

>Date: 2007/05/06 Sun AM 08:19:58 CDT

>To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com

>Subject: [Hammock Camping] modified sleeping bag



>

>Hello,

>

>Recently some of my working colleagues became interested in my hammock

>camping setup.

>I quickly fixed them with some Speer hammocks and went out a few times

>with them in the woods nearby.

>I am using the hammock through sleeping bag system so this is what I

>showed them.

>Some of them were so enthusiastic that next day they modified their

>sleeping bags making a 15cm cut in the hood and at the foot end so the

>hammock can pas through properly in the right spots. I have tried one

>of their modified bags and the increase in comfort was considerable.

>So last night was my first night in my modified sleeping bag. A minor

>modification with a great increase in comfort. No more cold spots at

>the shoulder.

>

>The cuts are made in the following way:

>First sew a long thin rectangle, then cut it in the middle along the long edge.

>Then reinforce the whole cut with another piece of ripstop bent over the cut.

>

>gerzson

>





Miles of Smiles

Tom Blum

scenic Winter Haven, Florida

98Honda Superhawk

93 Adventure ST

85 V65 Sabre

Tom, from reading garzon's description it sound like he did something

like this.



http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/hammockcamping/photos/browse/93ec



see photo that says wisp modification



or you can buy severl bags with a foot vent zipper built in already

which works.  look at this report of the SD Volt for a good pic.



http://tinyurl.com/zmsab



http://www.backpackgeartest.org/reviews/Sleep%20Gear/Sleeping%

20Bags/Sierra%20Designs%20Glow%20and%20Volt/Coy%20Starnes/Field%

20Report/



I'd like to see other photos as well.  I think a few more here do

something similar.



Coy Boy









--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, Tom Blum <teblum@...> wrote:

>

> gerzon

>

> a picture is worth a thousand words. I'm fuzzy on the big picture

>

> Pretty please??

>

> Tom



garazon wrote



> >The cuts are made in the following way:

> >First sew a long thin rectangle, then cut it in the middle along

the long edge.

> >Then reinforce the whole cut with another piece of ripstop bent

over the cut.

> >

> >gerzson

> >

>

>

> Miles of Smiles

> Tom Blum

> scenic Winter Haven, Florida

> 98Honda Superhawk

> 93 Adventure ST

> 85 V65 Sabre

>

Yes Coy, it is something like this. But with a difference: at the foot

end the cut is at the lower "edge" of the bag when the bag is facing

upwards. This way I get plenty of feet space *in* the bag. Also I

think my cut is a bit smaller. A similar cut is made at the top of

hood. I will take some close-up pictures next time I camp (probably

tomorrow night).



gerzson



On 5/7/07, Coy <starnescr@...> wrote:

> Tom, from reading garzon's description it sound like he did something

> like this.

>

> http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/hammockcamping/photos/browse/93ec

>

> see photo that says wisp modification

>

> or you can buy severl bags with a foot vent zipper built in already

> which works.  look at this report of the SD Volt for a good pic.

>

> http://tinyurl.com/zmsab

>

> http://www.backpackgeartest.org/reviews/Sleep%20Gear/Sleeping%

> 20Bags/Sierra%20Designs%20Glow%20and%20Volt/Coy%20Starnes/Field%

> 20Report/

>

> I'd like to see other photos as well.  I think a few more here do

> something similar.

>

> Coy Boy

>

>

>

>

> --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, Tom Blum <teblum@...> wrote:

> >

> > gerzon

> >

> > a picture is worth a thousand words. I'm fuzzy on the big picture

> >

> > Pretty please??

> >

> > Tom

>

> garazon wrote

>

> > >The cuts are made in the following way:

> > >First sew a long thin rectangle, then cut it in the middle along

> the long edge.

> > >Then reinforce the whole cut with another piece of ripstop bent

> over the cut.

> > >

> > >gerzson

> > >

> >

> >

> > Miles of Smiles

> > Tom Blum

> > scenic Winter Haven, Florida

> > 98Honda Superhawk

> > 93 Adventure ST

> > 85 V65 Sabre

> >

>

>

>

>

>

> Yahoo! Groups Links

>

>

>

>

If I ever do another bag like the wisp, I would put the slit lower

like yours.  I might do one in the hood but for the wisp I just cut

the whole hood off.  for the volt I just let it hang or flip the bag

over in cold weather and look out the side kinda plus use a bomber

hat.



Coy Boy



--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, gerzson <gerzson@...> wrote:

>

> Yes Coy, it is something like this. But with a difference: at the

foot

> end the cut is at the lower "edge" of the bag when the bag is facing

> upwards. This way I get plenty of feet space *in* the bag. Also I

> think my cut is a bit smaller. A similar cut is made at the top of

> hood. I will take some close-up pictures next time I camp (probably

> tomorrow night).

>

> gerzson

>

> On 5/7/07, Coy <starnescr@...> wrote:

> > Tom, from reading garzon's description it sound like he did

something

> > like this.

> >

> > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/hammockcamping/photos/browse/93ec

> >

> > see photo that says wisp modification

> >

> > or you can buy severl bags with a foot vent zipper built in

already

> > which works.  look at this report of the SD Volt for a good pic.

> >

> > http://tinyurl.com/zmsab

> >

> > http://www.backpackgeartest.org/reviews/Sleep%20Gear/Sleeping%

> > 20Bags/Sierra%20Designs%20Glow%20and%20Volt/Coy%20Starnes/Field%

> > 20Report/

> >

> > I'd like to see other photos as well.  I think a few more here do

> > something similar.

> >

> > Coy Boy

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, Tom Blum <teblum@> wrote:

> > >

> > > gerzon

> > >

> > > a picture is worth a thousand words. I'm fuzzy on the big

picture

> > >

> > > Pretty please??

> > >

> > > Tom

> >

> > garazon wrote

> >

> > > >The cuts are made in the following way:

> > > >First sew a long thin rectangle, then cut it in the middle

along

> > the long edge.

> > > >Then reinforce the whole cut with another piece of ripstop bent

> > over the cut.

> > > >

> > > >gerzson

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Miles of Smiles

> > > Tom Blum

> > > scenic Winter Haven, Florida

> > > 98Honda Superhawk

> > > 93 Adventure ST

> > > 85 V65 Sabre

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Yahoo! Groups Links

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

On 5/8/07, Coy <starnescr@...> wrote:

>  for the volt I just let it hang or flip the bag

> over in cold weather and look out the side kinda plus use a bomber

> hat.



This is also how I used mine in the last years:

http://picasaweb.google.com/gerzson/20070203MaguraMarga/photo#503092701010800235\

4

(I am inside here)



But with the mentioned cold spots at the shoulder and there was

another thing: the zipper cover (on the inside) was designed to work

with the bag facing upwards (hanging over the zipper). When the bag is

upside down the cover is no longer insulating the zipper and in the

cold nights I kept pushing it over the zipper (at least in the torso

area where I could reach).



The down jacket in the picture above made a big difference after I put

it over me.



Another advantage of the two cuts is than I can now use the zipper for

it's intended purpose: cooling/ventilation, with the bag still

remaining close to the hammock at the back.



gerzson

I''ve been using this method for two winters and I find I don't

sleep as well because I'm not as able to sleep on the "diagonal".

Does anyone else experience this and have you found a solution?



Jamie in AZ



--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, gerzson <gerzson@...> wrote:

>

> On 5/8/07, Coy <starnescr@...> wrote:

> >  for the volt I just let it hang or flip the bag

> > over in cold weather and look out the side kinda plus use a

bomber

> > hat.

>

> This is also how I used mine in the last years:

>

http://picasaweb.google.com/gerzson/20070203MaguraMarga/photo#5030927

010108002354

> (I am inside here)

>

> But with the mentioned cold spots at the shoulder and there was

> another thing: the zipper cover (on the inside) was designed to

work

> with the bag facing upwards (hanging over the zipper). When the

bag is

> upside down the cover is no longer insulating the zipper and in the

> cold nights I kept pushing it over the zipper (at least in the

torso

> area where I could reach).

>

> The down jacket in the picture above made a big difference after I

put

> it over me.

>

> Another advantage of the two cuts is than I can now use the zipper

for

> it's intended purpose: cooling/ventilation, with the bag still

> remaining close to the hammock at the back.

>

> gerzson

>

I do sleep in diagonal. The hammock is not expanded as if you sleep

normally, but my head is on one side of the hammock and my feet on the

other. I sleep flat on the side usually.



gerzson





On 5/8/07, chcoa <jdeben@...> wrote:

> I''ve been using this method for two winters and I find I don't

> sleep as well because I'm not as able to sleep on the "diagonal".

> Does anyone else experience this and have you found a solution?

>

> Jamie in AZ

>

> --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, gerzson <gerzson@...> wrote:

> >

> > On 5/8/07, Coy <starnescr@...> wrote:

> > >  for the volt I just let it hang or flip the bag

> > > over in cold weather and look out the side kinda plus use a

> bomber

> > > hat.

> >

> > This is also how I used mine in the last years:

> >

> http://picasaweb.google.com/gerzson/20070203MaguraMarga/photo#5030927

> 010108002354

> > (I am inside here)

> >

> > But with the mentioned cold spots at the shoulder and there was

> > another thing: the zipper cover (on the inside) was designed to

> work

> > with the bag facing upwards (hanging over the zipper). When the

> bag is

> > upside down the cover is no longer insulating the zipper and in the

> > cold nights I kept pushing it over the zipper (at least in the

> torso

> > area where I could reach).

> >

> > The down jacket in the picture above made a big difference after I

> put

> > it over me.

> >

> > Another advantage of the two cuts is than I can now use the zipper

> for

> > it's intended purpose: cooling/ventilation, with the bag still

> > remaining close to the hammock at the back.

> >

> > gerzson

> >

>

>

>

>

>

> Yahoo! Groups Links

>

>

>

>

With a sleeping bag over the hammock, the sleeping bag will tend to

set the 'effective' width and length of the hammock, especially with

larger hammocks.



What I'm trying to say is that most people will see a noticeable

difference in the comfort of a 8 foot by 4 foot hammock bed versus a

10 foot by 5 foot hammock bed if you lay in them with no other

restrictions.  But if you put a sleeping bag over them, they may have

the same 'effective' width and length, therefore sleeping about the

same-- making a 10x5 foot hammock feel like a 8x4 foot hammock. This

is often the difference between sleeping on a slight diagonal versus

sleeping on a more pronounced diagonal where there is a significant

difference in comfort for many people.  Longer and wider hammocks

usually allow for a more pronounced diagonal with less shoulder

squeeze, less hyper-extension of the knees and more comfortable back

support.



Dave



--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, gerzson <gerzson@...> wrote:

>

> I do sleep in diagonal. The hammock is not expanded as if you sleep

> normally, but my head is on one side of the hammock and my feet on the

> other. I sleep flat on the side usually.

>

> gerzson

>

>

> On 5/8/07, chcoa <jdeben@...> wrote:

> > I''ve been using this method for two winters and I find I don't

> > sleep as well because I'm not as able to sleep on the "diagonal".

> > Does anyone else experience this and have you found a solution?

> >

> > Jamie in AZ

> >

> > --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, gerzson <gerzson@> wrote:

> > >

> > > On 5/8/07, Coy <starnescr@> wrote:

> > > >  for the volt I just let it hang or flip the bag

> > > > over in cold weather and look out the side kinda plus use a

> > bomber

> > > > hat.

> > >

> > > This is also how I used mine in the last years:

> > >

> > http://picasaweb.google.com/gerzson/20070203MaguraMarga/photo#5030927

> > 010108002354

> > > (I am inside here)

> > >

> > > But with the mentioned cold spots at the shoulder and there was

> > > another thing: the zipper cover (on the inside) was designed to

> > work

> > > with the bag facing upwards (hanging over the zipper). When the

> > bag is

> > > upside down the cover is no longer insulating the zipper and in the

> > > cold nights I kept pushing it over the zipper (at least in the

> > torso

> > > area where I could reach).

> > >

> > > The down jacket in the picture above made a big difference after I

> > put

> > > it over me.

> > >

> > > Another advantage of the two cuts is than I can now use the zipper

> > for

> > > it's intended purpose: cooling/ventilation, with the bag still

> > > remaining close to the hammock at the back.

> > >

> > > gerzson

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Yahoo! Groups Links

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

You musta been typing a reply the same timeIi was.  no fair you being

a faster typer... But, the extra lenght may be a big part of my

comfort in the bag over hammock.  Using a bag does make it fell a

little shorter so my 11 foot hammock may fell more like a 9 footer.

As you know, there is a limit on how long you can praqctiacally go.

Any longer than around 11 or 12 fee and you will need a huge tarp (at

least length wise bu width would stay about the same) plus need to be

able to reach way up to tie it off high enough to stay clear of the

ground.



Coy Boy

PS I forgot to mention in the other reply but Codys still doing well

at the preaching school. ever time he comes home he preaches to

me...and is ready for a long hike if he can find the time.  He and

another student are working on plans to go to Wyoming this summer

though.  I need a job that would let me tag along.



--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Womble" <dpwomble@...>

wrote:

>

> With a sleeping bag over the hammock, the sleeping bag will tend to

> set the 'effective' width and length of the hammock, especially with

> larger hammocks.

>

> What I'm trying to say is that most people will see a noticeable

> difference in the comfort of a 8 foot by 4 foot hammock bed versus a

> 10 foot by 5 foot hammock bed if you lay in them with no other

> restrictions.  But if you put a sleeping bag over them, they may

have

> the same 'effective' width and length, therefore sleeping about the

> same-- making a 10x5 foot hammock feel like a 8x4 foot hammock. This

> is often the difference between sleeping on a slight diagonal versus

> sleeping on a more pronounced diagonal where there is a significant

> difference in comfort for many people.  Longer and wider hammocks

> usually allow for a more pronounced diagonal with less shoulder

> squeeze, less hyper-extension of the knees and more comfortable back

> support.

>

> Dave

>

> --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, gerzson <gerzson@> wrote:

> >

> > I do sleep in diagonal. The hammock is not expanded as if you

sleep

> > normally, but my head is on one side of the hammock and my feet

on the

> > other. I sleep flat on the side usually.

> >

> > gerzson

> >

> >

> > On 5/8/07, chcoa <jdeben@> wrote:

> > > I''ve been using this method for two winters and I find I don't

> > > sleep as well because I'm not as able to sleep on

the "diagonal".

> > > Does anyone else experience this and have you found a solution?

> > >

> > > Jamie in AZ

> > >

> > > --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, gerzson <gerzson@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > On 5/8/07, Coy <starnescr@> wrote:

> > > > >  for the volt I just let it hang or flip the bag

> > > > > over in cold weather and look out the side kinda plus use a

> > > bomber

> > > > > hat.

> > > >

> > > > This is also how I used mine in the last years:

> > > >

> > >

http://picasaweb.google.com/gerzson/20070203MaguraMarga/photo#5030927

> > > 010108002354

> > > > (I am inside here)

> > > >

> > > > But with the mentioned cold spots at the shoulder and there

was

> > > > another thing: the zipper cover (on the inside) was designed

to

> > > work

> > > > with the bag facing upwards (hanging over the zipper). When

the

> > > bag is

> > > > upside down the cover is no longer insulating the zipper and

in the

> > > > cold nights I kept pushing it over the zipper (at least in the

> > > torso

> > > > area where I could reach).

> > > >

> > > > The down jacket in the picture above made a big difference

after I

> > > put

> > > > it over me.

> > > >

> > > > Another advantage of the two cuts is than I can now use the

zipper

> > > for

> > > > it's intended purpose: cooling/ventilation, with the bag still

> > > > remaining close to the hammock at the back.

> > > >

> > > > gerzson

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Yahoo! Groups Links

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

same here.  The one thing I do miss using a bag as a quilt is being

able to bend my knees as much when I want on my side.  Whem on my

back I can't get as diagional as befor but enough to get pretty

flat.  The bag kinda follows you as you move diagional.  However, it

is restricted in movement somewhat and dont bend as far as it would

on a pad, thus the knee bend restriction.  But leaving the pad at

home is worth the trade off for me.   Right now I am using a BA Lost

Ranger and the dual core pad for the first time.  Spent one night in

my hammock and 2 on the ground so far (hiss.....) and it works

great.  A little tricky getting on the diagional in it too but I

slept soundly all night long.  I will have this info in a report for

BGT soon and post a link.



Coy Boy

PS garizon, I saw your pic of the blue bag.  If you could get one (a

closeup) of the hood slit cut it would be great.  I may try that on

my Volt.



--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, gerzson <gerzson@...> wrote:

>

> I do sleep in diagonal. The hammock is not expanded as if you sleep

> normally, but my head is on one side of the hammock and my feet on

the

> other. I sleep flat on the side usually.

>

> gerzson

>

>

> On 5/8/07, chcoa <jdeben@...> wrote:

> > I''ve been using this method for two winters and I find I don't

> > sleep as well because I'm not as able to sleep on the "diagonal".

> > Does anyone else experience this and have you found a solution?

> >

> > Jamie in AZ



> >

> >

> >

> > Yahoo! Groups Links

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

On 5/8/07, Coy <starnescr@...> wrote:

> PS garizon, I saw your pic of the blue bag.  If you could get one (a

> closeup) of the hood slit cut it would be great.  I may try that on

> my Volt.



Here are the (unsorted) pics from last night.

I made some close-ups of both ends.



gerzson

And the link ... :)

http://picasaweb.google.com/mircea.pop.ro/PadureDeSalcamiSagul09052007?authkey=F\

HgI1X1CmPo



gerzson





On 5/9/07, gerzson <gerzson@...> wrote:

> On 5/8/07, Coy <starnescr@...> wrote:

> > PS garizon, I saw your pic of the blue bag.  If you could get one (a

> > closeup) of the hood slit cut it would be great.  I may try that on

> > my Volt.

>

> Here are the (unsorted) pics from last night.

> I made some close-ups of both ends.

>

> gerzson

>

Coy,



How are things... Cody in particular?



Dave



--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Coy" <starnescr@...> wrote:

>

> Tom, from reading garzon's description it sound like he did something

> like this.

>

> http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/hammockcamping/photos/browse/93ec

>

> see photo that says wisp modification

>

> or you can buy severl bags with a foot vent zipper built in already

> which works.  look at this report of the SD Volt for a good pic.

>

> http://tinyurl.com/zmsab

>

> http://www.backpackgeartest.org/reviews/Sleep%20Gear/Sleeping%

> 20Bags/Sierra%20Designs%20Glow%20and%20Volt/Coy%20Starnes/Field%

> 20Report/

>

> I'd like to see other photos as well.  I think a few more here do

> something similar.

>

> Coy Boy

>

>

>

>

> --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, Tom Blum <teblum@> wrote:

> >

> > gerzon

> >

> > a picture is worth a thousand words. I'm fuzzy on the big picture

> >

> > Pretty please??

> >

> > Tom

>

> garazon wrote

>

> > >The cuts are made in the following way:

> > >First sew a long thin rectangle, then cut it in the middle along

> the long edge.

> > >Then reinforce the whole cut with another piece of ripstop bent

> over the cut.

> > >

> > >gerzson

> > >

> >

> >

> > Miles of Smiles

> > Tom Blum

> > scenic Winter Haven, Florida

> > 98Honda Superhawk

> > 93 Adventure ST

> > 85 V65 Sabre

> >

>

Cody is doing great.  he is back to paintball wars in the woods and

playing softball on a rec league team.  His arm with the steel plate

bothers him sometimes but all things considered that not bad.



been thinking about a trip back to the Conasauga wildreness area

sometime later when it gets hot.  Might do the other trail over the

mountian this time....I'll holler when I get a chance to go in case

you can join me.



Coy Boy





--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Womble" <dpwomble@...>

wrote:

>

> Coy,

>

> How are things... Cody in particular?

>

> Dave

>

> --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Coy" <starnescr@> wrote:

> >

> > Tom, from reading garzon's description it sound like he did

something

> > like this.

> >

> > http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/hammockcamping/photos/browse/93ec

> >

> > see photo that says wisp modification

> >

> > or you can buy severl bags with a foot vent zipper built in

already

> > which works.  look at this report of the SD Volt for a good pic.

> >

> > http://tinyurl.com/zmsab

> >

> > http://www.backpackgeartest.org/reviews/Sleep%20Gear/Sleeping%

> > 20Bags/Sierra%20Designs%20Glow%20and%20Volt/Coy%20Starnes/Field%

> > 20Report/

> >

> > I'd like to see other photos as well.  I think a few more here do

> > something similar.

> >

> > Coy Boy

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, Tom Blum <teblum@> wrote:

> > >

> > > gerzon

> > >

> > > a picture is worth a thousand words. I'm fuzzy on the big

picture

> > >

> > > Pretty please??

> > >

> > > Tom

> >

> > garazon wrote

> >

> > > >The cuts are made in the following way:

> > > >First sew a long thin rectangle, then cut it in the middle

along

> > the long edge.

> > > >Then reinforce the whole cut with another piece of ripstop

bent

> > over the cut.

> > > >

> > > >gerzson

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Miles of Smiles

> > > Tom Blum

> > > scenic Winter Haven, Florida

> > > 98Honda Superhawk

> > > 93 Adventure ST

> > > 85 V65 Sabre

> > >

> >

>