i suggest audio book..i can remain warn and toasty and expand my horizions..


>From: "David Elliott" <delliott78@...>
>Reply-To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
>To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Hammock Camping] Re: Flash-light's
>Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:43:32 -0500
>
>One thing I want to rig someday is something to hold a book from a
>ridgeline.  If I could read without freezing the hand holding the book I'd
>be able to get through those long winter nights.  Anybody done this?
>David
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Jeff,

That's what I've done for six nights out in January and February and it worked
great.  One thing you have to watch for is how long the space blanket lasts for.
I noticed silver flecks in my hammock after the second night and when I held the
blanket up and looked through it there was noticeable  wear, (lines and creases
where the silver had come off)  After that the blanket didn't work nearly as
well until I switched it out with a new one.  I've spent one night on my back
porch with the temp. down to - 16 degrees Fahrenheit  with the wind chill and  I
was O.K. I woke up cool after 3 hours but with another layer I would of been
fine.  Again this was with a new space blanket under my inflatable pad and a
zero degree bag.   From my experience the space blanket makes a big difference.

Enjoy,

Ian

Jeff Ross <jlross_tijeras@...> wrote:                                  So
how about putting the space blanket under your sleeping bag/pad?
  Does that keep you a lot warmer from underneath?

  --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "coyotefrog" <jackrowe@...>
  wrote:
  >
  > Ian wrote: what ever you do, on cold nights, do not put a heat
  > reflective blanket on top of your sleeping bag.
  >
  > Man I gotta say amen to that one. Got into lightweight camping as a
  > kid, not for weight but because I had no gear...used a poncho for
  > tent/tarp/rain gear, etc. Last year did a hike in the low 30'sF and
  > humid, for sleeping used my cold weather clothing, a 1/2" ccf pad
  > underneath, and a space blanket covered w/ my poncho on top, all
  > burrowed into a nice little thicket for more cover.
  >
  > Was GREAT about half the night, very warm until I woke up after 2am
  > SOAKED from condensation and spent the rest of the night freezing
  my
  > (unexposed...is this important?) butt off and catching a cold.
  >
  > It's condensation that gets us most often in the cold, whether from
  > the ground or our own breath/perspiration...in fact most
  hypothermia
  > cases happen at relatively high temps (30 - 55F) but after sweating
  > and waiting too long to eat in order to get someplace or set up in
  the
  > evening and then stopping -- hungry, tired, wet and immediately
  > getting cold.
  >
  > Not just space blankets (the reflectivity w/ air space truly is
  very
  > effective if condensation is dealt with), but any non-breathable
  > materials.
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I've had pretty good luck with space blankets to beef up my insulation. I
put a 5' CCP in the hammock with me, with a space blanket in between the
hammock and underquilt. I can tell a big difference, but whether it's from
radiant or convective heat loss I don't know.

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The space blankets do need an air space to work, any part you weren't actually
touching would work but not areas making contact...I didn't know how crumbly
they are, light enough to carry 2+ but no fun making a lot of trash in the
woods. If using as a vapor barrier it'd be inside insulation, but it would be a
crumbly vapor barrier and anyway needs the air space to function best.

Next time I try it the blanket will be fixed to the underside of my over-tarp.
IR reflectors are certainly very effective with a campfire, even using
dull-finished logs and rocks.

Jack, NE New Mexico US 7,000 ft

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--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph Oborn" <Ralph.oborn@...>
wrote:
>
> I tried a palm top computer with a guttenberg book loaded.....   hard to
> push tiny buttons with gloves on   :]
>
I am hooked on audiobooks, either from the library or from my
Audible.com account. From the library, I rip the CD's to MP3, from
Audible, they are ready for an MP3 player. I use a 1G Creative Labs
flash-based MP3 player and earbuds. Weighs less than a book even with
multiple spare batteries.

Taking a glove off to hit the button once or twice is not a hassle.

I really want a way to solar/mechanical charge a MP3 player, cell phone, or
NiMH batteries for the GPS. Anybody know of anything like that?


On 2/23/07, jonas4321 <jonas4321@...> wrote:
>
> --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph Oborn" <Ralph.oborn@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > I tried a palm top computer with a guttenberg book loaded.....   hard to
> > push tiny buttons with gloves on   :]
> >
> I am hooked on audiobooks, either from the library or from my
> Audible.com account. From the library, I rip the CD's to MP3, from
> Audible, they are ready for an MP3 player. I use a 1G Creative Labs
> flash-based MP3 player and earbuds. Weighs less than a book even with
> multiple spare batteries.
>
> Taking a glove off to hit the button once or twice is not a hassle.
>
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I really want a way to solar/mechanical charge a MP3 player, cell phone, or
NiMH batteries for the GPS. Anybody know of anything like that?
******************

Here is a link to some reviews on just such a device

http://www.backpackgeartest.org/reviews/Electronic%20Devices/Solar%20Charger
s/Exponent%20Flex%205%20System%20with%20Batt%20Pak/


I think

TV

go to brigade quatermaster..( army surplus type place)  they have a
rechargerjust for cell phones batteries..as i recall they had a solar
charger you colud hook on top of the pack to charge as you walk during the
day...
http://www.actiongear.com/cgi-bin/tame.exe/agcatalog/results.tam?

http://windupradio.com/solarpanel.htm

also try
;;http://www.campmor.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/campmor/search/main.jsp?comma\
nd=text&ip_text=solar+battery+charger


>From: "Randal Swink" <rswink@...>
>Reply-To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
>To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Re: Flash-light's
>Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:12:39 -0600
>
>I really want a way to solar/mechanical charge a MP3 player, cell phone, or
>NiMH batteries for the GPS. Anybody know of anything like that?
>
>
>On 2/23/07, jonas4321 <jonas4321@...> wrote:
> >
> > --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph Oborn" <Ralph.oborn@...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I tried a palm top computer with a guttenberg book loaded.....   hard
>to
> > > push tiny buttons with gloves on   :]
> > >
> > I am hooked on audiobooks, either from the library or from my
> > Audible.com account. From the library, I rip the CD's to MP3, from
> > Audible, they are ready for an MP3 player. I use a 1G Creative Labs
> > flash-based MP3 player and earbuds. Weighs less than a book even with
> > multiple spare batteries.
> >
> > Taking a glove off to hit the button once or twice is not a hassle.
> >
> >
> >
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i don't know if this has been mentioned on this thread about reading in the
cold, but a hammock sock that's just big enough to put over the ridge line or
clip to the ridge line, will give you a wind free enclosed area that would
probably be 10-15° warmer than outside.
     and did i mention wind free?    ...tim


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I have another link for you for solar powered chargers.  The sight is really
good and has a lot of solar powered options for home, travel and camping.  Check
it out...Solar Cell Phone Charger :: Silicon Solar Inc

This link leads to cell phone chargers but you can find battery chargers here
too.

Enjoy,

Ian

Randal Swink <rswink@...> wrote:                                  I really
want a way to solar/mechanical charge a MP3 player, cell phone, or
  NiMH batteries for the GPS. Anybody know of anything like that?

  On 2/23/07, jonas4321 <jonas4321@...> wrote:
  >
  > --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph Oborn" <Ralph.oborn@...>
  > wrote:
  > >
  > > I tried a palm top computer with a guttenberg book loaded.....   hard to
  > > push tiny buttons with gloves on   :]
  > >
  > I am hooked on audiobooks, either from the library or from my
  > Audible.com account. From the library, I rip the CD's to MP3, from
  > Audible, they are ready for an MP3 player. I use a 1G Creative Labs
  > flash-based MP3 player and earbuds. Weighs less than a book even with
  > multiple spare batteries.
  >
  > Taking a glove off to hit the button once or twice is not a hassle.
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
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  > Links
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Another website is  for solar chargers is solio.com

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From: ian toal
Date: 02/23/07 16:54:19
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Re: Flash-light's

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Hey, thanks for all the great ides on reading lights.  I like the idea of
MP3s and audio books best (small and light!) but I'll probably be fashioning
contraptions out of coat hangers and clips, too.  If there are any
successful prototypes I'll let you know.
David

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if you are fully commited to this idea..try looking at trucker gear i  have
seen book holders for paper backs and larger books being sold at major truck
stops..these have several atachment points for hooking to visors and
such..safe journeys


>From: "David Elliott" <delliott78@...>
>Reply-To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
>To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Hammock Camping] Re: Flash-light's
>Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 08:02:05 -0500
>
>Hey, thanks for all the great ides on reading lights.  I like the idea of
>MP3s and audio books best (small and light!) but I'll probably be
>fashioning
>contraptions out of coat hangers and clips, too.  If there are any
>successful prototypes I'll let you know.
>David
>
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My wife ordered me a set of silk/wool under-gloves from WINTER SILKS.
They weigh about an ounce, for the pair.  For those who'd like to read
while hammocked in the winter, I'd use these, plus a chemical hot-pack
inserted under each palm.  I have no connection with this company.  Just
my opinion.

For users of the Hennessy Hammock only:

1. Significant other (female), acting as a Caucasian Feminist Goddess,
deigns to have physical sex relations with a mere mortal.
2. SO lies in the hammock, with her 'works' near the upper end of the
entry slit.
3. Man stands up in the hammock entry opening.
4. Man drops his lower garments, and remains standing, with his 'works'
covered by the hammock sides.
5. Man inserts his tongue and/or membrum verilae into his SO, and goes
to town.
6. When the squealing, thrashing, shaking and groaning stops, the deed
is done.
7. Man reaches down, masthead's his pants, and slumps against whichever
tree is closest.
8. Goddess (SO) calls down from hammock, saying, "is that all there is?
My boyfriend can stay hard for hours, you wimp."
9. Man decides that solo, stealth camping has a lot to recommend it.

Any questions?

i'm sure some liked your story, but this forum has quite a few decent people
(including ladies) that don't appreciate that kind of garbage here.
      if you can't show any more respect than that, i for one would happy to see
you take your posts some where else.   ...tim

tory1942 <tory1942@...> wrote:
   For users of the Hennessy Hammock only:

1. Significant other (female), acting as a Caucasian Feminist Goddess,
deigns to have physical sex relations with a mere mortal.
2. SO lies in the hammock, with her 'works' near the upper end of the
entry slit.
3. Man stands up in the hammock entry opening.
4. Man drops his lower garments, and remains standing, with his 'works'
covered by the hammock sides.
5. Man inserts his tongue and/or membrum verilae into his SO, and goes
to town.
6. When the squealing, thrashing, shaking and groaning stops, the deed
is done.
7. Man reaches down, masthead's his pants, and slumps against whichever
tree is closest.
8. Goddess (SO) calls down from hammock, saying, "is that all there is?
My boyfriend can stay hard for hours, you wimp."
9. Man decides that solo, stealth camping has a lot to recommend it.

Any questions?





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On 2/26/07, tim garner <slowhike@...> wrote:
>
> i'm sure some liked your story, but this forum has quite a few decent
> people (including ladies) that don't appreciate that kind of garbage here.
>     if you can't show any more respect than that, i for one would happy to
> see you take your posts some where else.   ...tim
>
> tory1942 <tory1942@...> wrote:
> For users of the Hennessy Hammock only:
>
> 1. Significant other (female), acting as a Caucasian Feminist Goddess,
> deigns to have physical sex relations with a mere mortal.
> 2. SO lies in the hammock, with her 'works' near the upper end of the
> entry slit.
> 3. Man stands up in the hammock entry opening.
> 4. Man drops his lower garments, and remains standing, with his 'works'
> covered by the hammock sides.
> 5. Man inserts his tongue and/or membrum verilae into his SO, and goes
> to town.
> 6. When the squealing, thrashing, shaking and groaning stops, the deed
> is done.
> 7. Man reaches down, masthead's his pants, and slumps against whichever
> tree is closest.
> 8. Goddess (SO) calls down from hammock, saying, "is that all there is?
> My boyfriend can stay hard for hours, you wimp."
> 9. Man decides that solo, stealth camping has a lot to recommend it.
>
> Any questions?
>
>
>
>
>
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> Future posts from this member are now subject to moderation.
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Thanks Ralph.

Dave

Ditto

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave Womble
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 7:10 AM
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] Sex in a Hammock!

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph Oborn" <Ralph.oborn@...>
wrote:
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> Future posts from this member are now subject to moderation.
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> Ralph Oborn    Asistant moderator.
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Thanks Ralph.

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Thank you. I'm always looking for dual uses of my backpacking equipment and just
happen
to have a Hennessey, just wish I could convince my wife that backpacking is a
worthwhile
endeavor. I've yet to run across a forest nymph in my many back woods
adventures, but I'll
keep my eye open.

Thanks Ralph, I've been out of town & missed this one.  I'm in favor of
deleting & banning this member now, but will wait for his response before
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On Behalf Of Ralph Oborn
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 9:19 PM
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Subject: [SPAM] Re: [Hammock Camping] Sex in a Hammock!



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I'm working on making as eco-friendly camping supplies as possible and am
currently working with used coffee grounds and beeswax to make a fire
starter/heat source for a small army surplus metal stove.  I'm trying to get
something that will boil tea while I'm using my other stove to cook dinner.  Of
course once I opened up the package of beeswax it smelt like honey and started
me wondering...  Would burning beeswax or beeswax candle attract bears??  Does
anyone have any insight into this one?  I'ld like to hear it before the
spring...

Enjoy,

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i'm no expert, but it seems to me that it might attract more critters than
just bears...mice insects, etc.
      but if you experiment w/ it, let us know.  ...tim

ian toal <powersurj2002@...> wrote:
   I'm working on making as eco-friendly camping supplies as possible and am
currently working with used coffee grounds and beeswax to make a fire
starter/heat source for a small army surplus metal stove. I'm trying to get
something that will boil tea while I'm using my other stove to cook dinner. Of
course once I opened up the package of beeswax it smelt like honey and started
me wondering... Would burning beeswax or beeswax candle attract bears?? Does
anyone have any insight into this one? I'ld like to hear it before the spring...

Enjoy,

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Of course once I opened up the package of beeswax it smelt like honey and
started me wondering...  Would burning beeswax or beeswax candle attract
bears??  Does anyone have any insight into this one?  I'ld like to hear it
before the spring...

Enjoy,

Ian

YES !

If you can smell it, so can a bear, and from a lot further away.  :]

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--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, ian toal <powersurj2002@...> wrote:
>
> I'm working on making as eco-friendly camping supplies as possible
and am currently working with used coffee grounds and beeswax to make
a fire starter/heat source for a small army surplus metal stove.  I'm
trying to get something that will boil tea while I'm using my other
stove to cook dinner.  Of course once I opened up the package of
beeswax it smelt like honey and started me wondering...  Would burning
beeswax or beeswax candle attract bears??  Does anyone have any
insight into this one?  I'ld like to hear it before the spring...
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Ian
>
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It's my understanding that beeswax candles do attrack bears.  I've
heard of hunters using them as a lure.  Seems kinda risky to me.  By
the way,why coffee grounds?

Best,
Eric
>
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Hi there!

I'm new to the group. We are also a family that is new to hammock
camping!

I am in the process of making everyone their own hammock!

Hoping to learn some great hints and such from this group!

welcome to the group christie.  a great place to learn how to hang you're
family... in hammocks that is <g>.    ...tim

Christie <lingerielady20001@...> wrote:  Hi there!

I'm new to the group. We are also a family that is new to hammock
camping!

I am in the process of making everyone their own hammock!

Hoping to learn some great hints and such from this group!





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Perhaps only marginally related, waterproof/breathable garments used to be made
by soaking cotton material in beeswax, then boiling in water for a while to
remove enough of the wax to make the fabric breathe some...

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Do any bears besides Winnie eat honey? I watch hunting on TV a lot and bears
are usually baited with beaver or other carcasses in some state of
putrefaction. They are opportunists to the max, and eat whatever is EASILY
available. I don't think honey is the easiest thing to get in the mind of a
bear. What's more, the mixture could be stored hanging away from the
campsite. Bears aren't going to be attracted to it while it's burning.

On 2/28/07, Jack Rowe <jackrowe@...> wrote:
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>   Perhaps only marginally related, waterproof/breathable garments used to
> be made by soaking cotton material in beeswax, then boiling in water for a
> while to remove enough of the wax to make the fabric breathe some...
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