--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "michael thomas"
<blackoracle69@...> wrote:
>Hello Michael, and thankyou for the advice. I'm not a computer
wizzkid, so pardon for the delay. Can you tell me also - Is the silk
breathable ? And I assume it is strong enough for the average adult ?
Someone suggested I get a piece of thin felt, or else felted for
myself a piece of thin woollen-woven fabric, it being then both
breathable and more wind-resistant. Would this work as my "sandwich
filler" do you think, or is that likely to get wet ? Many thanks.
Susan


> i live in the deep south were humid is the name of the game. I use
a
> homemade silk hammock with a double layer as well. On those nights
i deem it
> nessary to add a wind/warmth layer i use a sheet of tryek house
wrap cut to
> fit. I have found less problems with trapped moisture ect using
this over a
> space blanket or a simular product. hope this helps...good luck
>
>
> >From: "susanjevons" <susanjevons@...>
> >Reply-To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
> >To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [Hammock Camping] dry and warm under the back
> >Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:04:42 -0000
> >
> >I have a double thickness parachute nylon hammock ( home made)
with a
> >side opening so I can sandwich some under-back insulaion in it. If
I
> >use the aluminium emergency blanket woulnd't that cause
condensation on
> >my back ? Anything else I can use instead, which would keep wind
out
> >and warmth in ? I am new to hammocking anfd enjoying it, and I am
also
> >totally new to this messageing-thing. Apologies therefore if I
have not
> >followed protocol !
> >
>
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Sorry about that last porn message--it got past me, but has now been
deleted.  We have 4 or 5 moderators on this List & we've recently
begun approving all new members in an attempt to prevent spam messages
like the one today.  This new-member approval process has been working
quite well, but apparently this spammer appeared to be a ligitmate
hammock camper & was approved by mistake.  Please accept my apologies

In my anger, I deleted the porn post from the List before noting the
email address of the sender.  So if someone can send me the sender's
email address, I will remove them from our List & ban that address
from ever posting again.  Thanks....Ed

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Hello Everyone,
I someone's reply a comment was made about misting thru the fabric
during a hard rain.
My question is, does the Silnylon fabric do this?
I had treated some nylon fabric with the silicone spray and it seemed
to work well, but noticed the misting effect when large rain drops hit
the fabric.

            Thanks Bill

It's getting that time in about a month to start camping again ( for me).

Hello Ed,
   I looked in my trash folder and I believe this may be the e-mail address you
wanted.
< cyberratler@... > the name is < Tammy Warner 19yo from FL >.
Hope this helps.


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Thanks Bill, I'll check it out.Ed



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From: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Bill III
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 1:19 PM
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SPAM] Re: [Hammock Camping] Latest porn spam



Hello Ed,
I looked in my trash folder and I believe this may be the e-mail address you
wanted.
< cyberratler@ <mailto:cyberratler%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com > the name is <
Tammy Warner 19yo from FL >.
Hope this helps.

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Bill, I checked the membership list & we do have a cyberratler@...,
but that person is a male who joined 2 years ago-I was expecting a recent
sign-up.  Could this be the person who's caused us so much trouble?  But,
I'll wait until it's confirmed by others before banning it.  So can someone
else confirm that this is the email address on that porn post earlier today?
Or does anyone recognize this email address?  ..Ed



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From: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Bill III
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 1:19 PM
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SPAM] Re: [Hammock Camping] Latest porn spam



Hello Ed,
I looked in my trash folder and I believe this may be the e-mail address you
wanted.
< cyberratler@ <mailto:cyberratler%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com > the name is <
Tammy Warner 19yo from FL >.
Hope this helps.

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again Ed, I still have the e-mail in my trash folder. And I rechecked the info.
If you like I could forward it to you. There is a long list of other e-mails
that this was sent to. Let me know.

             Regards        Bill


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Yeah Bill, send me the email so I can see for myself.  I'd hate to
mistakenly ban someone for the wrong reason...Ed



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From: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Bill III
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 2:03 PM
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SPAM] RE: [SPAM] Re: [Hammock Camping] Latest porn spam



again Ed, I still have the e-mail in my trash folder. And I rechecked the
info. If you like I could forward it to you. There is a long list of other
e-mails that this was sent to. Let me know.

Regards Bill

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i beleve the silk is breathable..at least my exp with it has led me to that
conclusion...silk is amazingly strong..i am 5'10  190lb and it shows no
signs of strains with holding me...i choose the double layer to use a pad on
cold nights and because i feared  it would not support me with out the added
layer...since then i have seen single layer hammocks that do the job just as
well..if i were to start anew i think i could be very happy with a single
layer... i have silk long underwear..they breath and keep dampness away from
the skin ..i thnik the hammock does the same thing....here in the deep south
in the hot months  we have temps around 100 plus 80-90% humidity..the nights
often dont drop below 80 or upper 70's  ..laying in my hammock i will begin
to feel cool on the back withn a half hour of getting in..but i dont sweat
from contact with the matterial..if anything i feel cooler..
   the problem comes when the temps are much lower like in the dead of
winter..where temps can drop to 20's or 30's at night( all at high
humity)then i put my layer of tryvek in between the layers..the diffrence is
instant for me..i have put a space blanket on the bottom under the tyvek and
this has added even more to my comfort.
   my hammock was constructed from surplus military silk used to make
parachutes..hope this helps you...good luck and good journeys


>From: "susanjevons" <susanjevons@...>
>Reply-To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
>To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] dry and warm under the back
>Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 00:05:57 -0000
>
>--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "michael thomas"
><blackoracle69@...> wrote:
> >Hello Michael, and thankyou for the advice. I'm not a computer
>wizzkid, so pardon for the delay. Can you tell me also - Is the silk
>breathable ? And I assume it is strong enough for the average adult ?
>Someone suggested I get a piece of thin felt, or else felted for
>myself a piece of thin woollen-woven fabric, it being then both
>breathable and more wind-resistant. Would this work as my "sandwich
>filler" do you think, or is that likely to get wet ? Many thanks.
>Susan
>
>
> > i live in the deep south were humid is the name of the game. I use
>a
> > homemade silk hammock with a double layer as well. On those nights
>i deem it
> > nessary to add a wind/warmth layer i use a sheet of tryek house
>wrap cut to
> > fit. I have found less problems with trapped moisture ect using
>this over a
> > space blanket or a simular product. hope this helps...good luck
> >
> >
> > >From: "susanjevons" <susanjevons@...>
> > >Reply-To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: [Hammock Camping] dry and warm under the back
> > >Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:04:42 -0000
> > >
> > >I have a double thickness parachute nylon hammock ( home made)
>with a
> > >side opening so I can sandwich some under-back insulaion in it. If
>I
> > >use the aluminium emergency blanket woulnd't that cause
>condensation on
> > >my back ? Anything else I can use instead, which would keep wind
>out
> > >and warmth in ? I am new to hammocking anfd enjoying it, and I am
>also
> > >totally new to this messageing-thing. Apologies therefore if I
>have not
> > >followed protocol !
> > >
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > Invite your Hotmail contacts to join your friends list with Windows
>Live
> > Spaces
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>href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?
>wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us
> >
>
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that was me..heavy rain with the big ..as we call it ( frog strangler)..
drops can impact the matterial so hard it will force a fine mist thru the
fabric..the result is a dampness that begins to build up on all things
beneith the tarp...i have tried canvas ( too heavy)  silnylon (good but may
need retreating ever year or so) and tryvek which for me has been the
best..it dosent allow the misting i have found with other matterials...


>From: "Bill C." <theocles45@...>
>Reply-To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
>To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Hammock Camping] Misting thru fabric
>Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 18:09:27 -0000
>
>Hello Everyone,
>I someone's reply a comment was made about misting thru the fabric
>during a hard rain.
>My question is, does the Silnylon fabric do this?
>I had treated some nylon fabric with the silicone spray and it seemed
>to work well, but noticed the misting effect when large rain drops hit
>the fabric.
>
>            Thanks Bill
>
>It's getting that time in about a month to start camping again ( for me).
>
>

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Ed,

I confirmed it as well.

Tammy Warner 19yo from FL cyberratler@...

The account was probably hacked.

You should report them to Yahoo.
http://add2.dir.scd.yahoo.com/fast/help/us/mail/cgi_spam

It may have my username in the form as I had to sign into yahoo.

Brian



On 2/1/07, Ed Speer <ed@...> wrote:
>
>   Yeah Bill, send me the email so I can see for myself. I'd hate to
> mistakenly ban someone for the wrong reason...Ed
>


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Thanks RevT,  I've checked a bit more & found that that email address
belongs to someone inappropriate for our group, so I've removed that member
& banned the address.  It is a sex related email address & the owner joined
our group 2 years ago-so it was not a new member that our recent
moderator-approval process would have caught.  Unfortunately, I failed to
catch this sooner--My apologies to everyone.  At least we're now free from
that one..Ed



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From: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of RevT
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 9:07 PM
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] RE: [SPAM] Re: [Hammock Camping] Latest porn spam



Ed,

I confirmed it as well.

Tammy Warner 19yo from FL cyberratler@ <mailto:cyberratler%40yahoo.com>
yahoo.com

The account was probably hacked.

You should report them to Yahoo.
http://add2. <http://add2.dir.scd.yahoo.com/fast/help/us/mail/cgi_spam>
dir.scd.yahoo.com/fast/help/us/mail/cgi_spam

It may have my username in the form as I had to sign into yahoo.

Brian

On 2/1/07, Ed Speer <ed@speerhammocks. <mailto:ed%40speerhammocks.com> com>
wrote:
>
> Yeah Bill, send me the email so I can see for myself. I'd hate to
> mistakenly ban someone for the wrong reason...Ed
>

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Thanks for what you do, Ed.  Interesting that I never saw the original email
- I guess the filters I have set up in Outlook caught it and deleted it...I
thought it would be in my deleted folder if so, but it's not there either...



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From: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Ed Speer
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 8:28 AM
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] RE: [SPAM] Re: [Hammock Camping] Latest porn
spam



Thanks RevT, I've checked a bit more & found that that email address
belongs to someone inappropriate for our group, so I've removed that member
& banned the address. It is a sex related email address & the owner joined
our group 2 years ago-so it was not a new member that our recent
moderator-approval process would have caught. Unfortunately, I failed to
catch this sooner--My apologies to everyone. At least we're now free from
that one..Ed

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Author, Hammock Camping, The Complete Guide

Editor, Hammock Camping News

Owner, Speer Hammocks Inc




.


<http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=8969804/grpspId=1705065843/msgId
=16791/stime=1170423018/nc1=1/nc2=2/nc3=3>




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Hello again. Thanks for the information on silk.Can you tell me - as
I'm in the UK - what exactly is TRYVEK ? Thankyou.


--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "michael thomas"
<blackoracle69@...> wrote:
>
> i beleve the silk is breathable..at least my exp with it has led me
to that
> conclusion...silk is amazingly strong..i am 5'10  190lb and it
shows no
> signs of strains with holding me...i choose the double layer to use
a pad on
> cold nights and because i feared  it would not support me with out
the added
> layer...since then i have seen single layer hammocks that do the
job just as
> well..if i were to start anew i think i could be very happy with a
single
> layer... i have silk long underwear..they breath and keep dampness
away from
> the skin ..i thnik the hammock does the same thing....here in the
deep south
> in the hot months  we have temps around 100 plus 80-90%
humidity..the nights
> often dont drop below 80 or upper 70's  ..laying in my hammock i
will begin
> to feel cool on the back withn a half hour of getting in..but i
dont sweat
> from contact with the matterial..if anything i feel cooler..
>   the problem comes when the temps are much lower like in the dead
of
> winter..where temps can drop to 20's or 30's at night( all at high
> humity)then i put my layer of tryvek in between the layers..the
diffrence is
> instant for me..i have put a space blanket on the bottom under the
tyvek and
> this has added even more to my comfort.
>   my hammock was constructed from surplus military silk used to
make
> parachutes..hope this helps you...good luck and good journeys
>
>
> >From: "susanjevons" <susanjevons@...>
> >Reply-To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
> >To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] dry and warm under the back
> >Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 00:05:57 -0000
> >
> >--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "michael thomas"
> ><blackoracle69@> wrote:
> > >Hello Michael, and thankyou for the advice. I'm not a computer
> >wizzkid, so pardon for the delay. Can you tell me also - Is the
silk
> >breathable ? And I assume it is strong enough for the average
adult ?
> >Someone suggested I get a piece of thin felt, or else felted for
> >myself a piece of thin woollen-woven fabric, it being then both
> >breathable and more wind-resistant. Would this work as my "sandwich
> >filler" do you think, or is that likely to get wet ? Many thanks.
> >Susan
> >
> >
> > > i live in the deep south were humid is the name of the game. I
use
> >a
> > > homemade silk hammock with a double layer as well. On those
nights
> >i deem it
> > > nessary to add a wind/warmth layer i use a sheet of tryek house
> >wrap cut to
> > > fit. I have found less problems with trapped moisture ect using
> >this over a
> > > space blanket or a simular product. hope this helps...good luck
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "susanjevons" <susanjevons@>
> > > >Reply-To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
> > > >To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
> > > >Subject: [Hammock Camping] dry and warm under the back
> > > >Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:04:42 -0000
> > > >
> > > >I have a double thickness parachute nylon hammock ( home made)
> >with a
> > > >side opening so I can sandwich some under-back insulaion in
it. If
> >I
> > > >use the aluminium emergency blanket woulnd't that cause
> >condensation on
> > > >my back ? Anything else I can use instead, which would keep
wind
> >out
> > > >and warmth in ? I am new to hammocking anfd enjoying it, and I
am
> >also
> > > >totally new to this messageing-thing. Apologies therefore if I
> >have not
> > > >followed protocol !
> > > >
> > >
> > >
_________________________________________________________________
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Here is more than you probably want to know:

   TYVEK®
DuPont Tyvek® has introduced new dimensions of protection, security and
safety in a wide variety of industries, including protective apparel,
construction, envelopes, medical packaging and graphics.

Made from very fine, high-density polyethylene fibers, Tyvek®  brand
protective material offers all the best characteristics of paper, film
and fabric in one material. This unique balance of properties, which
cannot be found in any other material, makes Tyvek® lightweight yet
strong; vapor-permeable, yet water-, chemical-,  puncture-, tear- and
abrasion-resistant. Tyvek® is also low-linting, smooth and opaque.

For even more details:

http://www.tyvek.com/whatistyvek.htm

BTW,  I personally have found that tyvec is a poor material for both
hammocks and tarps.  It is more like felt than anything else, except
maybe chipboard.  It is not a woven cloth.  When sewn, the material has
holes punched in it and this weakens the material much more than sewing
a woven cloth.  (Think perforations that allow ripping the material)

For a tarp, it is noisy in the wind, it is heavier than silnylon, and it
packs very badly.

I played with tyvec for a while, and the best use I ever found for it
was carrying a 12 x 16 inch piece to sit on to keep my bottom dry. That
was before I discovered that my hat works very well for sitting on.

Risk

susanjevons wrote:
> Hello again. Thanks for the information on silk.Can you tell me - as
> I'm in the UK - what exactly is TRYVEK ? Thankyou.
>
>
> --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "michael thomas"
> <blackoracle69@...> wrote:
>> i beleve the silk is breathable..at least my exp with it has led me
> to that
>> conclusion...silk is amazingly strong..i am 5'10  190lb and it
> shows no
>> signs of strains with holding me...i choose the double layer to use
> a pad on
>> cold nights and because i feared  it would not support me with out
> the added
>> layer...since then i have seen single layer hammocks that do the
> job just as
>> well..if i were to start anew i think i could be very happy with a
> single
>> layer... i have silk long underwear..they breath and keep dampness
> away from
>> the skin ..i thnik the hammock does the same thing....here in the
> deep south
>> in the hot months  we have temps around 100 plus 80-90%
> humidity..the nights
>> often dont drop below 80 or upper 70's  ..laying in my hammock i
> will begin
>> to feel cool on the back withn a half hour of getting in..but i
> dont sweat
>> from contact with the matterial..if anything i feel cooler..
>>   the problem comes when the temps are much lower like in the dead
> of
>> winter..where temps can drop to 20's or 30's at night( all at high
>> humity)then i put my layer of tryvek in between the layers..the
> diffrence is
>> instant for me..i have put a space blanket on the bottom under the
> tyvek and
>> this has added even more to my comfort.
>>   my hammock was constructed from surplus military silk used to
> make
>> parachutes..hope this helps you...good luck and good journeys
>>
>>
>>> From: "susanjevons" <susanjevons@...>
>>> Reply-To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
>>> To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] dry and warm under the back
>>> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 00:05:57 -0000
>>>
>>> --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "michael thomas"
>>> <blackoracle69@> wrote:
>>>> Hello Michael, and thankyou for the advice. I'm not a computer
>>> wizzkid, so pardon for the delay. Can you tell me also - Is the
> silk
>>> breathable ? And I assume it is strong enough for the average
> adult ?
>>> Someone suggested I get a piece of thin felt, or else felted for
>>> myself a piece of thin woollen-woven fabric, it being then both
>>> breathable and more wind-resistant. Would this work as my "sandwich
>>> filler" do you think, or is that likely to get wet ? Many thanks.
>>> Susan
>>>
>>>
>>>> i live in the deep south were humid is the name of the game. I
> use
>>> a
>>>> homemade silk hammock with a double layer as well. On those
> nights
>>> i deem it
>>>> nessary to add a wind/warmth layer i use a sheet of tryek house
>>> wrap cut to
>>>> fit. I have found less problems with trapped moisture ect using
>>> this over a
>>>> space blanket or a simular product. hope this helps...good luck
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From: "susanjevons" <susanjevons@>
>>>>> Reply-To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
>>>>> To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
>>>>> Subject: [Hammock Camping] dry and warm under the back
>>>>> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:04:42 -0000
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a double thickness parachute nylon hammock ( home made)
>>> with a
>>>>> side opening so I can sandwich some under-back insulaion in
> it. If
>>> I
>>>>> use the aluminium emergency blanket woulnd't that cause
>>> condensation on
>>>>> my back ? Anything else I can use instead, which would keep
> wind
>>> out
>>>>> and warmth in ? I am new to hammocking anfd enjoying it, and I
> am
>>> also
>>>>> totally new to this messageing-thing. Apologies therefore if I
>>> have not
>>>>> followed protocol !
>>>>>
>>>>
> _________________________________________________________________
>>>> Invite your Hotmail contacts to join your friends list with
> Windows
>>> Live
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>>> wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us
>>>
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Thanks CW, I think we've taken care of this this now....Ed

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sorry i wasnt aware you didnt know...the matterial is used in several
products,...like mailing envelopes..yo uknow the ones that feel thin and
flimsy till you try to rip them open..but in large sizes it is used as a
moisture barrier in house construction..if yo udo a search for tryvek on
e-bay you will find people who will cut it to length for you..at a very
resonable cost..it can be sewn together to make bigger tarps( which is what
i have done)..good luck and i hope this helps...good journeys


>From: "susanjevons" <susanjevons@...>
>Reply-To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
>To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] dry and warm under the back
>Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 14:57:54 -0000
>
>Hello again. Thanks for the information on silk.Can you tell me - as
>I'm in the UK - what exactly is TRYVEK ? Thankyou.
>
>
>--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "michael thomas"
><blackoracle69@...> wrote:
> >
> > i beleve the silk is breathable..at least my exp with it has led me
>to that
> > conclusion...silk is amazingly strong..i am 5'10  190lb and it
>shows no
> > signs of strains with holding me...i choose the double layer to use
>a pad on
> > cold nights and because i feared  it would not support me with out
>the added
> > layer...since then i have seen single layer hammocks that do the
>job just as
> > well..if i were to start anew i think i could be very happy with a
>single
> > layer... i have silk long underwear..they breath and keep dampness
>away from
> > the skin ..i thnik the hammock does the same thing....here in the
>deep south
> > in the hot months  we have temps around 100 plus 80-90%
>humidity..the nights
> > often dont drop below 80 or upper 70's  ..laying in my hammock i
>will begin
> > to feel cool on the back withn a half hour of getting in..but i
>dont sweat
> > from contact with the matterial..if anything i feel cooler..
> >   the problem comes when the temps are much lower like in the dead
>of
> > winter..where temps can drop to 20's or 30's at night( all at high
> > humity)then i put my layer of tryvek in between the layers..the
>diffrence is
> > instant for me..i have put a space blanket on the bottom under the
>tyvek and
> > this has added even more to my comfort.
> >   my hammock was constructed from surplus military silk used to
>make
> > parachutes..hope this helps you...good luck and good journeys
> >
> >
> > >From: "susanjevons" <susanjevons@...>
> > >Reply-To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] dry and warm under the back
> > >Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 00:05:57 -0000
> > >
> > >--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "michael thomas"
> > ><blackoracle69@> wrote:
> > > >Hello Michael, and thankyou for the advice. I'm not a computer
> > >wizzkid, so pardon for the delay. Can you tell me also - Is the
>silk
> > >breathable ? And I assume it is strong enough for the average
>adult ?
> > >Someone suggested I get a piece of thin felt, or else felted for
> > >myself a piece of thin woollen-woven fabric, it being then both
> > >breathable and more wind-resistant. Would this work as my "sandwich
> > >filler" do you think, or is that likely to get wet ? Many thanks.
> > >Susan
> > >
> > >
> > > > i live in the deep south were humid is the name of the game. I
>use
> > >a
> > > > homemade silk hammock with a double layer as well. On those
>nights
> > >i deem it
> > > > nessary to add a wind/warmth layer i use a sheet of tryek house
> > >wrap cut to
> > > > fit. I have found less problems with trapped moisture ect using
> > >this over a
> > > > space blanket or a simular product. hope this helps...good luck
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "susanjevons" <susanjevons@>
> > > > >Reply-To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >Subject: [Hammock Camping] dry and warm under the back
> > > > >Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:04:42 -0000
> > > > >
> > > > >I have a double thickness parachute nylon hammock ( home made)
> > >with a
> > > > >side opening so I can sandwich some under-back insulaion in
>it. If
> > >I
> > > > >use the aluminium emergency blanket woulnd't that cause
> > >condensation on
> > > > >my back ? Anything else I can use instead, which would keep
>wind
> > >out
> > > > >and warmth in ? I am new to hammocking anfd enjoying it, and I
>am
> > >also
> > > > >totally new to this messageing-thing. Apologies therefore if I
> > >have not
> > > > >followed protocol !
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But it's easier to scrounge it at home construction site dumpsters, or offer to
buy it when it's being applied -- it's easy to spot, its usually white,
sometimes pink.  Woodrich in Washington

michael thomas <blackoracle69@...> wrote:  sorry i wasnt aware you didnt
know...the matterial is used in several
products,...like mailing envelopes..yo uknow the ones that feel thin and
flimsy till you try to rip them open..but in large sizes it is used as a
moisture barrier in house construction..if yo udo a search for tryvek on
e-bay you will find people who will cut it to length for you..at a very
resonable cost..it can be sewn together to make bigger tarps( which is what
i have done)..good luck and i hope this helps...good journeys


>From: "susanjevons"
>Reply-To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
>To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] dry and warm under the back
>Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 14:57:54 -0000
>
>Hello again. Thanks for the information on silk.Can you tell me - as
>I'm in the UK - what exactly is TRYVEK ? Thankyou.
>
>
>--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "michael thomas"
> wrote:
> >
> > i beleve the silk is breathable..at least my exp with it has led me
>to that
> > conclusion...silk is amazingly strong..i am 5'10 190lb and it
>shows no
> > signs of strains with holding me...i choose the double layer to use
>a pad on
> > cold nights and because i feared it would not support me with out
>the added
> > layer...since then i have seen single layer hammocks that do the
>job just as
> > well..if i were to start anew i think i could be very happy with a
>single
> > layer... i have silk long underwear..they breath and keep dampness
>away from
> > the skin ..i thnik the hammock does the same thing....here in the
>deep south
> > in the hot months we have temps around 100 plus 80-90%
>humidity..the nights
> > often dont drop below 80 or upper 70's ..laying in my hammock i
>will begin
> > to feel cool on the back withn a half hour of getting in..but i
>dont sweat
> > from contact with the matterial..if anything i feel cooler..
> > the problem comes when the temps are much lower like in the dead
>of
> > winter..where temps can drop to 20's or 30's at night( all at high
> > humity)then i put my layer of tryvek in between the layers..the
>diffrence is
> > instant for me..i have put a space blanket on the bottom under the
>tyvek and
> > this has added even more to my comfort.
> > my hammock was constructed from surplus military silk used to
>make
> > parachutes..hope this helps you...good luck and good journeys
> >
> >
> > >From: "susanjevons"
> > >Reply-To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] dry and warm under the back
> > >Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 00:05:57 -0000
> > >
> > >--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "michael thomas"
> > > wrote:
> > > >Hello Michael, and thankyou for the advice. I'm not a computer
> > >wizzkid, so pardon for the delay. Can you tell me also - Is the
>silk
> > >breathable ? And I assume it is strong enough for the average
>adult ?
> > >Someone suggested I get a piece of thin felt, or else felted for
> > >myself a piece of thin woollen-woven fabric, it being then both
> > >breathable and more wind-resistant. Would this work as my "sandwich
> > >filler" do you think, or is that likely to get wet ? Many thanks.
> > >Susan
> > >
> > >
> > > > i live in the deep south were humid is the name of the game. I
>use
> > >a
> > > > homemade silk hammock with a double layer as well. On those
>nights
> > >i deem it
> > > > nessary to add a wind/warmth layer i use a sheet of tryek house
> > >wrap cut to
> > > > fit. I have found less problems with trapped moisture ect using
> > >this over a
> > > > space blanket or a simular product. hope this helps...good luck
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "susanjevons"
> > > > >Reply-To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >Subject: [Hammock Camping] dry and warm under the back
> > > > >Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:04:42 -0000
> > > > >
> > > > >I have a double thickness parachute nylon hammock ( home made)
> > >with a
> > > > >side opening so I can sandwich some under-back insulaion in
>it. If
> > >I
> > > > >use the aluminium emergency blanket woulnd't that cause
> > >condensation on
> > > > >my back ? Anything else I can use instead, which would keep
>wind
> > >out
> > > > >and warmth in ? I am new to hammocking anfd enjoying it, and I
>am
> > >also
> > > > >totally new to this messageing-thing. Apologies therefore if I
> > >have not
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I am thinking of building a very very light quilt for the late spring
and summer.  My idea would be a quilt with a foot pocket, down filled
(6-8 oz) and made of something down proof and lighter than 1.1 oz nylon.

Any suggestions on the material I should consider?  Points for being
lighter than nylon and also packs compactly.

--
Walk Well!

Rick (Risk)

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Rick,
I made a summer quilt a coupla years ago with 0.8oz downproof  baffelled
with down. I can't remember how much down but 8-10oz sounds about right b/c
I made it rather large. I believe it's somewhere in the neighborhood of
52X80" It it still in great shape with proper care.
Anyway, I believe it weighs 15oz. and is perfect for 1/2 the year here in
texas.
I bought the 0.8 from Ayce but it looks like he doesn't have it anymore.
It's a bit pricey but it looks like he now has this:
http://www.thru-hiker.com/MaterialDetail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=MG117&subcat=Ripstop

Scott


On 2/2/07, Rick <ra1@...> wrote:
>
> I am thinking of building a very very light quilt for the late spring
> and summer.  My idea would be a quilt with a foot pocket, down filled
> (6-8 oz) and made of something down proof and lighter than 1.1 oz nylon.
>
> Any suggestions on the material I should consider?  Points for being
> lighter than nylon and also packs compactly.
>
> --
> Walk Well!
>
> Rick (Risk)


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Bill in Tx was doing some work with Cuban? fabric at one time. I
believe it is lighter than 1.1 oz.  Last I remember he could get it
from the manufacture but it was a lengthy/complicated process. I
forget his website addy now so don't know if he has updated anything
lately.

Coy Boy

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, Rick <ra1@...> wrote:
>
> I am thinking of building a very very light quilt for the late
spring
> and summer.  My idea would be a quilt with a foot pocket, down
filled
> (6-8 oz) and made of something down proof and lighter than 1.1 oz
nylon.
>
> Any suggestions on the material I should consider?  Points for
being
> lighter than nylon and also packs compactly.
>
> --
> Walk Well!
>
> Rick (Risk)
>
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>

Washing may affect water permeability (i.e. increase it), but it remains
low-linting, puncture resistent, and smooth.  I've noticed a slight
fraying of the fibers, but they don't pill off the 'fabric.'

What washing does do is greatly improve packability (as it squashes down
really compact really easily) and greatly reduces noise (now about the
same as nylon and silnylon).  I put it in a top-loading washing machine
with central agitator and followed the Tyvek washing directions at
TarpTent.com: cold water, no soap.  I let it go through a full wash:
wash and spin and rinse and spin.

I used the Tyvek to make a hammock under cover.  I folded the ends over
2-3 cm and used a heavy needle to punch holes through these two layers
(that was work) to thread nylon string through to cinch the ends and to
hang it under my hammock.  I made sure the holes were 2-3 cm apart.

My husband is using Tyvek as a ground cloth.  One of these days we'll
report on it's efficacy as protection against bamboo.

CL

Rick wrote:
> BTW,  I personally have found that tyvec is a poor material for both
> hammocks and tarps.  It is more like felt than anything else, except
> maybe chipboard.  It is not a woven cloth.  When sewn, the material has
> holes punched in it and this weakens the material much more than sewing
> a woven cloth.  (Think perforations that allow ripping the material)
>
> For a tarp, it is noisy in the wind, it is heavier than silnylon, and it
> packs very badly.
>
> I played with tyvec for a while, and the best use I ever found for it
> was carrying a 12 x 16 inch piece to sit on to keep my bottom dry. That
> was before I discovered that my hat works very well for sitting on.
>
> Risk
>

Thanks,

Just the scarf alone worked ok. I only had some frost to brush off,
which was a great improvement over the patch of ice. It was below 0F
with a brisk wind, and was still toasty.

I will look into the balaclava, and may continue to work on a snorkel
hood as a sleep hat, but there is much less urgency.

Next trip for me is next weekend (camping with the scouts for their
Klondike derby), so I dont have to carry things far.

--Newz

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, Rick <ra1@...> wrote:
>
> Newz,
>
> Congrats.  You did well.  One item which works pretty well to decrease
> condensation is a counter current moisture and warmth system for the
> breath.
>
> This can be as simple as several layers of a loose scarf which you
> breath through, or (my favorite) the Psolar Balaclava
>
> http://snipurl.com/18g2p
>
> What happens in the breathing cycle is that the element of the
Psolar or
> the scarf fibers are cool.  You breath into them with your warm moist
> breath.  They warm up and some of the water vapor condenses on them.
> Then you breathe in.  The cold air passes across all those fibers and
> warms up, at the same time, the dry air is made more moist as it
> evaporates the water off the fibers.
>
> The simple scarf and even the Psolar element are not perfect, but they
> do decrease the amount of water which freezes to the inside of my
travel
> pod.
>
> In warmer weather, nearer to freezing, I usually just keep the travel
> pod closed.  The section near my mouth gets moist, but it evaporates
off
> the outer surface well enough.
>
> Rick
>

OK, so if it holds you up at 2 layers do you think it will hold up 300
pounds and 6 ft 2 inches

On 2/1/07, michael thomas <blackoracle69@...> wrote:
>
> i beleve the silk is breathable..at least my exp with it has led me to
> that
> conclusion...silk is amazingly strong..i am 5'10  190lb and it shows no
> signs of strains with holding me...i choose the double layer to use a pad
> on
> cold nights and because i feared  it would not support me with out the
> added
> layer...since then i have seen single layer hammocks that do the job just
> as
> well..if i were to start anew i think i could be very happy with a single
> layer... i have silk long underwear..they breath and keep dampness away
> from
> the skin ..i thnik the hammock does the same thing....here in the deep
> south
> in the hot months  we have temps around 100 plus 80-90% humidity..the
> nights
> often dont drop below 80 or upper 70's  ..laying in my hammock i will
> begin
> to feel cool on the back withn a half hour of getting in..but i dont sweat
> from contact with the matterial..if anything i feel cooler..
>   the problem comes when the temps are much lower like in the dead of
> winter..where temps can drop to 20's or 30's at night( all at high
> humity)then i put my layer of tryvek in between the layers..the diffrence
> is
> instant for me..i have put a space blanket on the bottom under the tyvek
> and
> this has added even more to my comfort.
>   my hammock was constructed from surplus military silk used to make
> parachutes..hope this helps you...good luck and good journeys
>
>
> >From: "susanjevons" <susanjevons@...>
> >Reply-To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
> >To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] dry and warm under the back
> >Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 00:05:57 -0000
> >
> >--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "michael thomas"
> ><blackoracle69@...> wrote:
> > >Hello Michael, and thankyou for the advice. I'm not a computer
> >wizzkid, so pardon for the delay. Can you tell me also - Is the silk
> >breathable ? And I assume it is strong enough for the average adult ?
> >Someone suggested I get a piece of thin felt, or else felted for
> >myself a piece of thin woollen-woven fabric, it being then both
> >breathable and more wind-resistant. Would this work as my "sandwich
> >filler" do you think, or is that likely to get wet ? Many thanks.
> >Susan
> >
> >
> > > i live in the deep south were humid is the name of the game. I use
> >a
> > > homemade silk hammock with a double layer as well. On those nights
> >i deem it
> > > nessary to add a wind/warmth layer i use a sheet of tryek house
> >wrap cut to
> > > fit. I have found less problems with trapped moisture ect using
> >this over a
> > > space blanket or a simular product. hope this helps...good luck
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "susanjevons" <susanjevons@...>
> > > >Reply-To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
> > > >To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
> > > >Subject: [Hammock Camping] dry and warm under the back
> > > >Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:04:42 -0000
> > > >
> > > >I have a double thickness parachute nylon hammock ( home made)
> >with a
> > > >side opening so I can sandwich some under-back insulaion in it. If
> >I
> > > >use the aluminium emergency blanket woulnd't that cause
> >condensation on
> > > >my back ? Anything else I can use instead, which would keep wind
> >out
> > > >and warmth in ? I am new to hammocking anfd enjoying it, and I am
> >also
> > > >totally new to this messageing-thing. Apologies therefore if I
> >have not
> > > >followed protocol !
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Hi,

My solution involves a bit of work.

I make my own packs. The "pad" I put inside my double layer hammock is
a pack designed to unfold. The walls of the pack have closed cell foam
sandwiched between ripstop nylon (the inner layer is breathable). This
pack requires a pack cover, which I use as a gear hammock. Unfolded it
looks something like this:

  _________
|       | |______
|                |
|          ______|
|_______|_|

wide part is 32 inches wide (40 long), and the narrow is 14 inches.
Over all length is 71 inches. It folds into a 14"x9"x31" box, held
together with hook and loop and some webbing. It weighs about a pound,
which is not bad for pack and pad together.

I am working on an improved version, which I intend to post, when I
have the bugs worked out.

--Newz

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "susanjevons" <susanjevons@...>
wrote:
>
> I have a double thickness parachute nylon hammock ( home made) with a
> side opening so I can sandwich some under-back insulaion in it. If I
> use the aluminium emergency blanket woulnd't that cause condensation on
> my back ? Anything else I can use instead, which would keep wind out
> and warmth in ? I am new to hammocking anfd enjoying it, and I am also
> totally new to this messageing-thing. Apologies therefore if I have not
> followed protocol !
>

I made a two layer hammock out of 6mm Habotai from Thai silk, and the
fabric showed signs of strain after one use (6 ft and 220 lbs), so you
would need heavier silk than that.

--Newz

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Randal Swink" <rswink@...> wrote:
>
> OK, so if it holds you up at 2 layers do you think it will hold up 300
> pounds and 6 ft 2 inches
>

my hammock  is from a military parachute. silk .(..which has to withstand an
unimaginable shock on opening )...my suggestion to you is to find a source
of silk ....obtain a sample and put it to the test..since most matterials
get stronger when you double them ..my friends hammock is made from the same
matterial as mine ..it is a single layer and holds my nearly 200 pounds with
no problem..so a double  MAY  hold 400  equally as well.. plus the longer
you make a hammock the larger the area for the load to spread over..the weak
link comes at the tie points... good luck and safe journeys



>From: "Randal Swink" <rswink@...>
>Reply-To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
>To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] dry and warm under the back
>Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 22:54:11 -0600
>
>OK, so if it holds you up at 2 layers do you think it will hold up 300
>pounds and 6 ft 2 inches
>
>On 2/1/07, michael thomas <blackoracle69@...> wrote:
> >
> > i beleve the silk is breathable..at least my exp with it has led me to
> > that
> > conclusion...silk is amazingly strong..i am 5'10  190lb and it shows no
> > signs of strains with holding me...i choose the double layer to use a
>pad
> > on
> > cold nights and because i feared  it would not support me with out the
> > added
> > layer...since then i have seen single layer hammocks that do the job
>just
> > as
> > well..if i were to start anew i think i could be very happy with a
>single
> > layer... i have silk long underwear..they breath and keep dampness away
> > from
> > the skin ..i thnik the hammock does the same thing....here in the deep
> > south
> > in the hot months  we have temps around 100 plus 80-90% humidity..the
> > nights
> > often dont drop below 80 or upper 70's  ..laying in my hammock i will
> > begin
> > to feel cool on the back withn a half hour of getting in..but i dont
>sweat
> > from contact with the matterial..if anything i feel cooler..
> >   the problem comes when the temps are much lower like in the dead of
> > winter..where temps can drop to 20's or 30's at night( all at high
> > humity)then i put my layer of tryvek in between the layers..the
>diffrence
> > is
> > instant for me..i have put a space blanket on the bottom under the tyvek
> > and
> > this has added even more to my comfort.
> >   my hammock was constructed from surplus military silk used to make
> > parachutes..hope this helps you...good luck and good journeys
> >
> >
> > >From: "susanjevons" <susanjevons@...>
> > >Reply-To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] dry and warm under the back
> > >Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 00:05:57 -0000
> > >
> > >--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "michael thomas"
> > ><blackoracle69@...> wrote:
> > > >Hello Michael, and thankyou for the advice. I'm not a computer
> > >wizzkid, so pardon for the delay. Can you tell me also - Is the silk
> > >breathable ? And I assume it is strong enough for the average adult ?
> > >Someone suggested I get a piece of thin felt, or else felted for
> > >myself a piece of thin woollen-woven fabric, it being then both
> > >breathable and more wind-resistant. Would this work as my "sandwich
> > >filler" do you think, or is that likely to get wet ? Many thanks.
> > >Susan
> > >
> > >
> > > > i live in the deep south were humid is the name of the game. I use
> > >a
> > > > homemade silk hammock with a double layer as well. On those nights
> > >i deem it
> > > > nessary to add a wind/warmth layer i use a sheet of tryek house
> > >wrap cut to
> > > > fit. I have found less problems with trapped moisture ect using
> > >this over a
> > > > space blanket or a simular product. hope this helps...good luck
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "susanjevons" <susanjevons@...>
> > > > >Reply-To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >Subject: [Hammock Camping] dry and warm under the back
> > > > >Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:04:42 -0000
> > > > >
> > > > >I have a double thickness parachute nylon hammock ( home made)
> > >with a
> > > > >side opening so I can sandwich some under-back insulaion in it. If
> > >I
> > > > >use the aluminium emergency blanket woulnd't that cause
> > >condensation on
> > > > >my back ? Anything else I can use instead, which would keep wind
> > >out
> > > > >and warmth in ? I am new to hammocking anfd enjoying it, and I am
> > >also
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Hi Rick,

I have made 3 quilts form Thru-Hiker kits.

The lightest, and one I use the most, has 6 ounces of 800+ down, and
keeps me warm in just light long johns, down to lower 50's and into
mid to low 40's wearing extra clothes (and with a fleece
blanket/poncho). This is with a warmer (9 oz fill) underquilt.

The finished quilt is a tall trapezoid, measuring 46" at the head
end, 36" at the foot end and 66" in length. The dimensions it
started as were 50", 40", 70". I'm about 5'6" and it would be more
comfortable if it were about 6" longer. An elastic draw cord at top
and bottom, snugs it around my shoulders and closes the bottom for a
foot box along with 18" of non-snag Velcro on the bottom edges. When
it's too warm for the quilt, I stuff the top of it into the footbox,
and have a luxurious down pillow.

It uses the 0.8 oz nylon that is no longer available and weighs 12.7
oz. now, but I think it's lost half an ounce or more. Seems like it
weighed 13 oz new. I use it a lot. Without making it any smaller, I
can think of a few ways to make it differently that might save
another ounce or so.

If there's a lighter breathable downproof  fabric, than the
Momentum90 that AYCE sells, then he probably knows about it and
would carry it, unless there are availability or quality issues.
Still it wouldn't hurt to ask him.

And, if you do find that magic half ounce, strong, breathable,
downproof fabric, order a bolt of it for me, too, please :-).

Patti

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, Rick <ra1@...> wrote:
>
> I am thinking of building a very very light quilt for the late
spring
> and summer.  My idea would be a quilt with a foot pocket, down
filled
> (6-8 oz) and made of something down proof and lighter than 1.1 oz
nylon.
>
> Any suggestions on the material I should consider?  Points for
being
> lighter than nylon and also packs compactly.
>
> --
> Walk Well!
>
> Rick (Risk)
>
> *********************************
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>           author of
> A Wildly Successful 200 Mile Hike
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>

Some of you have been talking about silk from
parachutes for you hammocks..  Here's a resurce for parachute fabric.
I think they are  now being made from a special strength
nylon. This is an old resource from 2005 I pulled from my computer so may
not still be in businnes but you can try.



for anyone interested in parachute fabric.


Para-Gear Equipment Co, Chicago
Phone:847-679-5905

It appears they still sell fabric too:
http://www.paragear.com/templates/parachutes.asp?group=193&level=1


--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "C C Wayah" <ccwayah@...> wrote:
>
> Some of you have been talking about silk from
> parachutes for you hammocks..  Here's a resurce for parachute fabric.
> I think they are  now being made from a special strength
> nylon. This is an old resource from 2005 I pulled from my computer
so may
> not still be in businnes but you can try.
>
>
>
> for anyone interested in parachute fabric.
>
>
> Para-Gear Equipment Co, Chicago
> Phone:847-679-5905
>