hammockcamping : Messages : 16720-16749 of 20755

Tim,

Thank you very much for the advise.  I'm looking forward to giving winter
hammocking a try and will check out the sights you suggested.

Enjoy,

Ian

tim garner <slowhike@...> wrote:                                  the art
of winter hammocking is improving all the time as far as staying warm w/ very
little weight & bulk. searching this groups for underquilts would be one source.
    better yet, if you go to the speer hammock web site, you will find lots of
good information.
      you'll also find great, tried & true products too... like the pea pod.
    two other members of this group have excellent web pages w/ a ton of good
info & pictures on cold weather hammocking.
    tothewoods is run by jeff & rick has a site found as imrisk
    i can't remember the exsact web adress for them  now, but if you go to the
speer hammocks site, you will find links to both.   ...tim

  powersurj2002 <powersurj2002@...> wrote:
    Greetings to All,

  I planning a winter hike in the Northern Pemi Wilderness area of NH
  and was wondering if anyone has had the ?pleasure? of winter camping
  in a hammock. Any advice you could offer would be greatly appreciated.

  Enjoy,

  Ian

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#16721

From: "Ed Speer" <ed@...>
Date: Sun Jan 21, 2007 2:24 am
Subject: Re: dayhike Sunday

edspeer2002

Congrats Marta!  Glad to hear you made it to Springer--quite an
accomplishment.  Also gald to hear you made it back from Colorado--
did you get snowed in at all?

Karen & I met Snapshot at Springer NYE.  He & two other sobos made
it late afternoon & partied most of the night!  The weather was
really bad--heavy rain & fog, but the temps were warm....Ed

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--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "marta_clark"
<marta_clark@...> wrote:
>
> Hello, folks!  I'm mostly done with my thru-hike (is that a
> contradiction?), and am back home, but jonesing to get back and do
some
> hiking.
>
> I'm planning a dayhike on the AT from Sam's Gap to Devils Fork Gap
this
> coming Sunday. I'll be driving up for the day from Charlotte. My
> husband will be my shuttle driver, unless I can find someone else
who
> wants to spot cars with me.
>
> Anyone interested?
>
> Cheers!
> Marta/Five-Leafed Clover
>

#16722

From: "marta_clark" <marta_clark@...>
Date: Sun Jan 21, 2007 12:53 pm
Subject: Re: dayhike Sunday

marta_clark

Thanks, Ed.  I have talked to Snapshot a couple of times since I
finished--Friday was his 26th birthday--and he's chillin' at home,
putting off going back to work.

He is interested in hammocking.  You'll probably be hearing from him
when he gets back to work and starts making some money again.

We didn't get snowed in in CO.  Sadly, most of the snow was missing the
mountains and falling on the plains to the east.  That is so wrong.  I
did pick up a guidebook to the Colorado Trail while I was there...

Cheers!
Marta

PS--The hike in the mountains is off for today because of the predicted
freezing rain, etc.  I'm going to Crowder Mtn. SP instead, planning an
18-miler (around everything twice), weather permitting.

PPS--I got my new special licence plate this week.  My plate now
reads "SOBO-AT."  How cool is that?

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#16724

From: "susanjevons" <susanjevons@...>
Date: Mon Jan 22, 2007 11:04 am
Subject: dry and warm under the back

susanjevons

I have a double thickness parachute nylon hammock ( home made) with a
side opening so I can sandwich some under-back insulaion in it. If I
use the aluminium emergency blanket woulnd't that cause condensation on
my back ? Anything else I can use instead, which would keep wind out
and warmth in ? I am new to hammocking anfd enjoying it, and I am also
totally new to this messageing-thing. Apologies therefore if I have not
followed protocol !

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#16725

From: "Ed Speer" <ed@...>
Date: Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:23 pm
Subject: RE: [Hammock Camping] dry and warm under the back

edspeer2002

Hi Susan, welcome to our group-you'll find lots of real hammock nuts here!
While condensation can be a problem, vapor barriers can be useful.  We're
all looking for single pieces of gear that work well in all outdoor
conditions-unfortunately they don't exist.  Instead, we're left with
choosing gear that is as flexible as possible and then using that gear
wisely in camp.  Conditions often change over the course of a single night,
requiring the wise hammock camper to adjust their gear one or more times
during the night to maintain comfort.



Condensation can be a serious problem in a hammock, but it varies from
person to person.  Each persons' metabolism is different, thus each person
should test their gear successfully in all types of weather at home before
heading to the backcountry-your comfort & safety are at stake.  Vapor
barrier sheets as well as normal sleeping pads (which are also vapor
barriers) can cause serious condensation, especially in calm humid
environments.  However, the problem is often less in windy or dry
conditions.  I've found that a thin plastic sheet held beneath my hammock
with my PeaPod can add up to 10 degrees of extra warmth on cold windy
nights.  Generally I'll wear wicking longjohns which keep any accumulated
wetness off my skin.  Although vapor barriers underneath you are often
acceptable, especially in cold wind, you should never completely enclose
yourself in vapor barriers unless you're prepared to handle the excessive
condensation it will cause.



Using a layer of breathable wind-blocking fabric can also work well to block
cold wind-1.1 oz/sq yd ripstop nylon (DWR or untreated) is a good
lightweight choice.  But even this can result in excessive condensation if
enclosed completely around you in anything except windy dry conditions.
Some of the hi-tec fabrics like GoreTex, Epic or Microfiber might work even
better, however, I've never been happy with the reported breathability of
these expensive fabrics.



Susan, I hope you get some more comments from other users on this List.
Best of luck & let us know how your hammocking goes...Ed





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From: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of susanjevons
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 6:05 AM
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Hammock Camping] dry and warm under the back



I have a double thickness parachute nylon hammock ( home made) with a
side opening so I can sandwich some under-back insulaion in it. If I
use the aluminium emergency blanket woulnd't that cause condensation on
my back ? Anything else I can use instead, which would keep wind out
and warmth in ? I am new to hammocking anfd enjoying it, and I am also
totally new to this messageing-thing. Apologies therefore if I have not
followed protocol !





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#16726

From: "Nate" <natesdenn71@...>
Date: Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:50 pm
Subject: Re: dry and warm under the back

natesdenn71

Susan,

On a recent hammocking trip before Christmas I tested a wind barrier
for my hammock.  I used my exta long poncho that I bought from
Campmor.com.  I rigged the poncho under the hammock.  In the morning,
after 15F temps, I noticed a little frost on the inside of the poncho.
  I have some pics of this set up under Nate's Hammock.

I had a local seamstress modify my 20F synthetic sleeping bag to
include a foot zipper.  This allows me to pass the hammock ropes
through my sleeping bag.  I am completely surrounded by insulation
much like Speer's pea pod.  Combine this with my poncho wind layer and
a fleece top and pants you will be quite warm.

Site selection is also helpful in any season.  I have found that wind
sheltered areas are good for when its cold and less wind sheltered
areas a good when its hot.

Good luck and welcome to the group!

Nate

#16727

From: "Sandy Kramer" <sandykayak@...>
Date: Mon Jan 22, 2007 4:28 pm
Subject: Re: Earth anchors

sandykayak

Photo and narrative about using a Hennessy Hammocks as a tent:

http://www.hennessyhammock.com/use-as-a-tent.htm



--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "tory1942" <tory1942@...>
wrote:
>
> There are a lot of areas in North America that are essentially
> treeless, and even rockless.  I used to live in West Texas and New
> Mexico, and can verify this.  Not a pole, tree, post or anything
> similar--just sagebrush and mesquite as far as the eye can see, and
> night coming on.
>
> I've looked at Risk's 1-pole hammock, but that still requires
a "tree"
> or two.  At your suggestion, though, I also looked over
Youngblood's
> chart of strains on the hammock lines, and agree that tentstakes
and
> similar would be useless to hold against the static/dynamic loads
of a
> typical hammock.
>
> Also realizing that the following would be at odds with an
Ultralight
> camping orientation, has anyone had any thoughts--or practical
experim
> ents--on using two collapsible poles (perhaps with a crushed
soda/beer
> can underneath each) and SCREW-IN EARTH ANCHORS?  I researched
several,
> with rated withdrawl pulls in the 1300 lb. range, in average soil
> (better in the Texas hardpan).
>
> Anyone want to wade in with opinion or experience?
>

#16728

From: "michael thomas" <blackoracle69@...>
Date: Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:21 am
Subject: RE: [Hammock Camping] dry and warm under the back

scalphunter3...

i live in the deep south were humid is the name of the game. I use a
homemade silk hammock with a double layer as well. On those nights i deem it
nessary to add a wind/warmth layer i use a sheet of tryek house wrap cut to
fit. I have found less problems with trapped moisture ect using this over a
space blanket or a simular product. hope this helps...good luck


>From: "susanjevons" <susanjevons@...>
>Reply-To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
>To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Hammock Camping] dry and warm under the back
>Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:04:42 -0000
>
>I have a double thickness parachute nylon hammock ( home made) with a
>side opening so I can sandwich some under-back insulaion in it. If I
>use the aluminium emergency blanket woulnd't that cause condensation on
>my back ? Anything else I can use instead, which would keep wind out
>and warmth in ? I am new to hammocking anfd enjoying it, and I am also
>totally new to this messageing-thing. Apologies therefore if I have not
>followed protocol !
>

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#16729

From: gerzson <gerzson@...>
Date: Tue Jan 23, 2007 8:31 am
Subject: hammock through sleeping back (in cold weather)

gerzsom

Hello,

I come back with this topic especially that it was now mentioned by Nate.

I was using this setup for over 3 years now in all seasons except winter.
I've had an unsuccessful attempt last winter, when after 3-4 hours of
sleep in the hammock I was forced by the cold to enter the tent.
But I didn't give up and this year I've tried again initially wanting
to try out a hammock sock.
The sock was made from a non-breathable material and at midnight I
woke up all wet. But I was not cold and I just pushed the sock down
and continued to sleep till morning.

I have tried to explain what was the difference between the two nights
and found the following:

Mistakes in the last winter:
- dress up too much: don't fit in the sleeping bag; the (down) bag
doesn't have space to expand properly;
- exhaustion: the night came after a long ascent in the deep snow;
what energy was left in me wasn't enough to keep me warm;

Improvements this year:
- dress up much lighter (shorts and T-shirt) allowing the sleeping bag
to expand and do the isolation;
- an additional effect of dressing light is that I had more room in
the bag and was able to cover my head with the hood of the bag (like I
do in warm weather). In the hammock I am sleeping with the back of the
bag over me (the hood over my head - I don't get condensation because
I sleep on the side and breathe through the hammock, not in the bag).

I slept several nights this winter in the hammock and realized that
one must *learn* how to sleep in a hammock. It is not something
straight forward, and the comfort improves with trial and error.

The only week spot I fond this year is around my neck under the
hammock where only the hammock and my shirt was between me and the
outside (the hood was covering my head from above. Next time I will
make a pillow from the clothes I don't use to cover this area.

gerzson

#16730

From: gerzson <gerzson@...>
Date: Tue Jan 23, 2007 9:03 am
Subject: hammock and back pain

gerzsom

Hello,

Often people ask me if the hammock doesn't cause back pains.

I recently found the contrary:
A few years ago after lifting something heavy I've had a serious spine failure.
Since then the pain never really went away. Sleeping in the hammock
now and then I realized that in the days following the hammock nights,
my back doesn't hurt. Since I already had a hammock in the living room
I made a few experiments (alternating nights in the hammock and bed)
that confirmed this. Now I have a pair of hooks also in the bedroom
and a more comfortable hammock for every-night sleep.

gerzson

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#16732

From: "Ed Speer" <ed@...>
Date: Tue Jan 23, 2007 2:39 pm
Subject: RE: [Hammock Camping] hammock and back pain

edspeer2002

Great story Gerzson-thanks.  I've run across this many times & I too sleep
better in my hammock than in my bed.  In fact, I also have a number of
disabled customers who claim my hammock allows them to sleep much better
than their bed; like you, some have even hung their hammock in the bedroom &
gotten rid of the bed.  Many of the stories I've heard are heart warming &
so amazing I would dismiss them except I keep hearing more similar
experiences.  Of course I'm not a doctor, so I don't actually recommend
hammocks for disabled people and obviously some disabilities can be
seriously aggravated by a hammock-my sister's injured back prevents her from
even leaning over enough to get into a hammock.  But I can tell disabled
people stories like yours and then let them try my hammock if they choose
to.



I even had one guy crying in unexpected joy his first time in my hammock-it
was the first time he was able to lie down without pain since his car
accident 13 years earlier!  His bed was tolerable only two hours at a time
before he had to get up for an hour or so.  Imagine doing that every night
for 13 years!  He was so happy with my demo hammock at an outdoor show; I
thought he was never getting up!   Yep, he bought it immediately!



Thanks again Gerzson for sharing your story



Does anyone else have a similar story?   I'd like to collect them for a
future article for the Hammock Camping Newsletter..Ed



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From: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of gerzson
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 4:04 AM
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Hammock Camping] hammock and back pain



Hello,

Often people ask me if the hammock doesn't cause back pains.

I recently found the contrary:
A few years ago after lifting something heavy I've had a serious spine
failure.
Since then the pain never really went away. Sleeping in the hammock
now and then I realized that in the days following the hammock nights,
my back doesn't hurt. Since I already had a hammock in the living room
I made a few experiments (alternating nights in the hammock and bed)
that confirmed this. Now I have a pair of hooks also in the bedroom
and a more comfortable hammock for every-night sleep.

gerzson



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#16733

From: "Douglas Campbell" <campbell.d.p@...>
Date: Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:41 pm
Subject: Re:hammock and back pain

beentomadrid

Gerzson,

That is really good information.  It seems so counter-intuitive that a
hammock would be beneficial for such a serious back injury.  However, I too
had an experience that made me draw a similar conclusion.  I'm in the Idaho
Air National Guard and last August we went up into the mountains for a
bivouac and I set up a simple Speer style hammock just for relaxing in.  We
had done a lot of heavy lifting and work to set up camp and our
communications systems; afterwards I had a very unhappy back (at 45, my back
just isn't what it used to be).  However, after hours, I just spread out
that hammock and relaxed for about 45 minutes and my back pain just went
away for the rest of the evening.  It felt like it made my spine lengthen
out and realign.  I can't prove any of that of course, but the pain did
disappear.

~Doug Campbell


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#16734

From: "chris_nimon" <CHRISNIMON@...>
Date: Tue Jan 23, 2007 4:17 pm
Subject: Re: hammock and back pain

chris_nimon

I WAS HIT BUY A TRUCK WHILE WALKING ACROSS A PARKING LOT. SHORT STORY
IS I WAS FIRED, LOST INSURANCE, AND CANT SUE IN INDIANA. NOW HAVE 3
DEAD DISCS, AND 3 DEFORMED VERTABRAE. DOCTOR SAID ANY STRESS ON MY
SPINE AND I MIGHT NEVER WALK AGAIN. I AM UNABLE TO GET OPERATIONS TO
FIX AS I HAVE NO INSURANCE.
I ALSO CANT SLEEP FOR MORE THAN A FEW HOURS ON A BED. SO I HUNG MY
HAMMOCK IN THE BEDROOM. WHEN LAYING ACROSS THE CENTER LINE IT SLIGHTLY
ELEVATES MY HEAD AND FEET. THIS SLIGHT ARC SEEMS TO RELIEVE THE
CONSTANT PRESSURE. IF MY WIFE WOULD LET ME ID SLEEP IN IT EVERY NIGHT
AND PUT ONE IN THE LIVING ROOM

#16735

From: "Mark D'Addario" <jaxnhowl@...>
Date: Tue Jan 23, 2007 5:17 am
Subject: New all over again

jaxnmarko

Hi>  I'm new to the forum and relatively inexperienced to hammock
camping.....funny how a tent feels "safer" than hanging in the air.
Thin nylon walls offer little real security.....what you can't see
can't see/harm you?
    My first hammock camping experience was in 1976.  Going to school
and CU, Boulder Colorado.  We hitchhiked up Eldora Canyon to ski and
spent the night out, skied the next day, camped out, hitchhiked back
to campus. It got down to 40 below according to the radio the next
day.  I had just bought my nice down bag rated to 35 below and I had a
net hammock, cheap single type.  I placed the bag on the outside of
the hammock to avoid compression of insulation.  The foot end of the
bag cinched around the hammock using the bottom of the double zipper
as one would think but of course my head was exposed somewhat as the
head of the bag couldn't cover my head very well.  Kinda but not fully
as that end of the hammock narrowed down greatly.  I had two wool hats
on and scrunched down in the bag.  Cold and uncomfortable and probably
somewhat dangerous perhaps but not horribly cold and I'm sure the good
fit, excellent bag, and uncompressed down made the difference.  My
friend slept under me on a huge open cell foam pad and was cold.
       I thought I was pretty clever about the bag on the outside
considering it was 30 years ago!
   Since then I lived mostly in Wyoming (24 years), the Tetons
specifically, and Grizzly Central!  Somehow the tent felt safer much
of the time but I did do Some hammock camping.
    Now I'm in Oregon and more likely to hammock camp again.  I have a
newer style hammock..... sleep somewhat slanted.  Not a Hennesey or
tent/hammock so a tarp is necessary.  I do have a good bivy bag too.
I have a Moss heptawing or whichever particular model it is (as there
are a few) and thinking that may work but still have to try it out.
Maybe too many stakeouts involved.  Anyway, I joined up to learn and
share ideas!  Drop me a line if you wish.  I'm 48 and live between the
ocean and the cascades and looking forward to getting out again.

#16736

From: "Ed Speer" <ed@...>
Date: Tue Jan 23, 2007 5:59 pm
Subject: RE: [SPAM] [Hammock Camping] New all over again

edspeer2002

Welcome Mark, glad to hear about your hammock trip in '76.  I came up with
the same idea of putting a sleeping bag on the outside of the hammock to
prevent compressing the insulation-it's the basis of my PeaPod design.  It
really does make a lot of sense.  Of course, if you hang out with the folks
on this List, you'll find lots of other great ideas for hammocking.  The
phenomenon is growing in popularity now that some great gear is available on
the market.  And many folks on this List make their own gear as well.  I
think you'll find a good home here..Ed



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From: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Mark D'Addario
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 12:17 AM
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SPAM] [Hammock Camping] New all over again



Hi> I'm new to the forum and relatively inexperienced to hammock
camping.....funny how a tent feels "safer" than hanging in the air.
Thin nylon walls offer little real security.....what you can't see
can't see/harm you?
My first hammock camping experience was in 1976. Going to school
and CU, Boulder Colorado. We hitchhiked up Eldora Canyon to ski and
spent the night out, skied the next day, camped out, hitchhiked back
to campus. It got down to 40 below according to the radio the next
day. I had just bought my nice down bag rated to 35 below and I had a
net hammock, cheap single type. I placed the bag on the outside of
the hammock to avoid compression of insulation. The foot end of the
bag cinched around the hammock using the bottom of the double zipper
as one would think but of course my head was exposed somewhat as the
head of the bag couldn't cover my head very well. Kinda but not fully
as that end of the hammock narrowed down greatly. I had two wool hats
on and scrunched down in the bag. Cold and uncomfortable and probably
somewhat dangerous perhaps but not horribly cold and I'm sure the good
fit, excellent bag, and uncompressed down made the difference. My
friend slept under me on a huge open cell foam pad and was cold.
I thought I was pretty clever about the bag on the outside
considering it was 30 years ago!
Since then I lived mostly in Wyoming (24 years), the Tetons
specifically, and Grizzly Central! Somehow the tent felt safer much
of the time but I did do Some hammock camping.
Now I'm in Oregon and more likely to hammock camp again. I have a
newer style hammock..... sleep somewhat slanted. Not a Hennesey or
tent/hammock so a tarp is necessary. I do have a good bivy bag too.
I have a Moss heptawing or whichever particular model it is (as there
are a few) and thinking that may work but still have to try it out.
Maybe too many stakeouts involved. Anyway, I joined up to learn and
share ideas! Drop me a line if you wish. I'm 48 and live between the
ocean and the cascades and looking forward to getting out again.





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#16737

From: "Sandy Kramer" <sandykayak@...>
Date: Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:09 pm
Subject: "Wet ropes can make excellent conductors."

sandykayak

Not many good options.


http://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/outdoors.htm

#16738

From: gerzson <gerzson@...>
Date: Wed Jan 24, 2007 6:34 am
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] "Wet ropes can make excellent conductors."

gerzsom

I think that if you hang high enough (1m) the lightning may prefer to
go through the wet bark (much larger than the rope) instead of going
through the rope then leaping through the air to the ground.
I have never heard of anybody struck by lightning in a hammock.
Is there at least a known case?

gerzson

On 1/24/07, Sandy Kramer <sandykayak@...> wrote:
>
> Not many good options.
>
>
> http://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/outdoors.htm
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

#16739

From: "CC Wayah" <ccwayah@...>
Date: Wed Jan 24, 2007 10:57 am
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] "Wet ropes can make excellent conductors."

ccwayah

Looks like trail shelters are not safe either!
So should all shelter be built with lightening rods?
How could you rig up a tent or Hammock with a lightening rod?
I relay don't think this could be done!


----- Original Message -----
From: "gerzson" <gerzson@...>
To: <hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 1:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] "Wet ropes can make excellent conductors."


> I think that if you hang high enough (1m) the lightning may prefer to
> go through the wet bark (much larger than the rope) instead of going
> through the rope then leaping through the air to the ground.
> I have never heard of anybody struck by lightning in a hammock.
> Is there at least a known case?
>
> gerzson
>
> On 1/24/07, Sandy Kramer <sandykayak@...> wrote:
> >
> > Not many good options.
> >
> >
> > http://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/outdoors.htm
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
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>
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#16740

From: Bill III <theocles45@...>
Date: Wed Jan 24, 2007 2:47 pm
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] "Wet ropes can make excellent conductors."

theocles45

Thanks for the info about lightining. I feel one should do what they can to
lessen the effects of a lightining strike. But it's been my experiance that it's
going to do pretty much what it wants to. There is really no way to exactly
predict the path it's going to take.
I have had lightining strike close to me in that my hair stood up and have had a
couple of friends hit by some weak feeders and lived to talk about it.
When I hike or camp I use basic common sense. I have never been scared of
lightining or storms. It's all part of nature. The best thing is to not be
scared but to respect what nature can do and live with it.
Oh I am a Radio Amateur Operator, Extra Calss. Have yet to be hit . And I use a
minor amount of grounding around the shack. And often run antenna wires from
trees when I camp at the lake or in the mountains. I've been in storms, snow as
well and a couple of microbursts. I love nature when she cuts loose.

                         Thanks for reading this    Bill


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#16741

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#16742

From: "hillclimbbill" <hillclimbbill@...>
Date: Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:26 pm
Subject: www.4x4stories.com The Idaho Centennial Trail Story and pictures

hillclimbbill

You can take hamhock cooking on the trail.  I just posted the part of
the Idaho centennial Trail story where I had to ride my motorcycle to
continue on...  with pictures on www.4x4stories.com

#16743

From: Steve <scmorse1@...>
Date: Thu Jan 25, 2007 1:44 am
Subject: Re:"Wet ropes can make excellent conductors."

scmorse1

This raises a few questions:

   Do you think you are grounded in the hammock?

   What are the insulation properties of nylon?

   And which would kill you first, the electricity or the tree falling on you?

   ;-)

   -Steve


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#16744

From: "D. Emer" <dfemer@...>
Date: Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:00 am
Subject: RE: [Hammock Camping] "Wet ropes can make excellent conductors." lightning strikes

kk7if

Lightning likes trees, they're high and conductive and present a great
ground with the root system.  If you or your hammock is attached to that
tree (or in close proximity to it) it's part of the circuit with a path more
conductive than air. The strike will flow along the tree and out along
anything connected to it which is your hammock and you.  Because the center
of hammock is closer to the ground than the attached hammock supports the
lightning will take that exit path to ground as well.  A hammock is no place
to be in a lightning storm. If you're in a storm or its approaching, leave
the hammock or set it up as a tent type shelter well away from trees until
it passes.

Don't think it can't happen to you. In June 2006 my twin brother was killed
in his Hennessy Hammock by a lightning strike on one of the support trees
while kayak camping in NJ.   He was a sailor, a pilot, and a ham radio
operator (N2YAC) that was experienced with lightning.  With 69 people killed
in the US by lightning in 2006 what were the chances of it striking that one
particular tree he had his hammock strung from?  Don't think it can't happen
to you because it can.

I use carabiners for a quick disconnect on my hammock and can quickly get it
set it up as a tent if lightning approaches. Have a plan.  Pick a spot where
it will be set up before it gets dark, know what to do and when to do it and
most important of all - DO IT.

http://new.photos.yahoo.com/allenemer/albums

Dudley Emer
KK7IF
  -----Original Message-----
From: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of gerzson
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 10:34 PM
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] "Wet ropes can make excellent conductors."

   I think that if you hang high enough (1m) the lightning may prefer to
   go through the wet bark (much larger than the rope) instead of going
   through the rope then leaping through the air to the ground.
   I have never heard of anybody struck by lightning in a hammock.
   Is there at least a known case?

   gerzson

   On 1/24/07, Sandy Kramer <sandykayak@...> wrote:
   >
   > Not many good options.
   >
   >
   > http://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/outdoors.htm
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   > Yahoo! Groups Links
   >
   >
   >
   >

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#16745

From: "Ed Speer" <ed@...>
Date: Thu Jan 25, 2007 1:39 pm
Subject: RE: [Hammock Camping] "Wet ropes can make excellent conductors." lightning strikes

edspeer2002

Thanks for your story Dudley.  Sorry to hear about your brother's tragic
death.  Sharing that story should be a wakeup call to everyone and may
prevent another death.  And your advice to 'Have a plan & follow it" is well
taken.  While I've never been hit by lighting, I have been in some storms
that worried me.  In addition to the actual passage of the electric charge,
which of course scares the hell out of me, I also worry about shrapnel or
falling limbs from a tree that gets hit.  I've noticed many 'exploded' trees
on ridgelines from past storms and I certainly would not want to be anywhere
near any of those trees at the time.  The dangers of lighting are manifold
so like you said, the best plan of action is be aware, have a plan and
actively follow avoidance..Ed

Moderator, Hammock Camping List
Author, Hammock Camping, The Complete Guide

Editor, Hammock Camping News

Owner, Speer Hammocks Inc

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From: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of D. Emer
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 12:00 AM
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SPAM] RE: [Hammock Camping] "Wet ropes can make excellent
conductors." lightning strikes

Lightning likes trees, they're high and conductive and present a great
ground with the root system. If you or your hammock is attached to that
tree (or in close proximity to it) it's part of the circuit with a path more
conductive than air. The strike will flow along the tree and out along
anything connected to it which is your hammock and you. Because the center
of hammock is closer to the ground than the attached hammock supports the
lightning will take that exit path to ground as well. A hammock is no place
to be in a lightning storm. If you're in a storm or its approaching, leave
the hammock or set it up as a tent type shelter well away from trees until
it passes.

Don't think it can't happen to you. In June 2006 my twin brother was killed
in his Hennessy Hammock by a lightning strike on one of the support trees
while kayak camping in NJ. He was a sailor, a pilot, and a ham radio
operator (N2YAC) that was experienced with lightning. With 69 people killed
in the US by lightning in 2006 what were the chances of it striking that one
particular tree he had his hammock strung from? Don't think it can't happen
to you because it can.

I use carabiners for a quick disconnect on my hammock and can quickly get it
set it up as a tent if lightning approaches. Have a plan. Pick a spot where
it will be set up before it gets dark, know what to do and when to do it and
most important of all - DO IT.

http://new.photos. <http://new.photos.yahoo.com/allenemer/albums>
yahoo.com/allenemer/albums

Dudley Emer
KK7IF
-----Original Message-----
From: hammockcamping@ <mailto:hammockcamping%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
[mailto:hammockcamping@ <mailto:hammockcamping%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of gerzson
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 10:34 PM
To: hammockcamping@ <mailto:hammockcamping%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] "Wet ropes can make excellent conductors."

I think that if you hang high enough (1m) the lightning may prefer to
go through the wet bark (much larger than the rope) instead of going
through the rope then leaping through the air to the ground.
I have never heard of anybody struck by lightning in a hammock.
Is there at least a known case?

gerzson

On 1/24/07, Sandy Kramer <sandykayak@yahoo. <mailto:sandykayak%40yahoo.com>
com> wrote:
>
> Not many good options.
>
>
> http://www.lightnin <http://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/outdoors.htm>
gsafety.noaa.gov/outdoors.htm
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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#16746

From: Dick Matthews <dick@...>
Date: Thu Jan 25, 2007 1:46 pm
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] "Wet ropes can make excellent conductors." lightning strikes

hikerdick

Sorry for your loss Mr Emer.  I have twin nephews and have observed the
special bond.

Do you think the risk can be reduced by:

1.  Selecting trees that are not the tallest in the immediate area,

2.  Avoiding high ground, or

3.  Keeping your hammock lines dry by covering with snake skins?

Dick Matthews
"We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately."
- Ben Franklin


D. Emer wrote:

> Lightning likes trees, they're high and conductive and present a great
> ground with the root system. If you or your hammock is attached to that
> tree (or in close proximity to it) it's part of the circuit with a
> path more
> conductive than air. The strike will flow along the tree and out along
> anything connected to it which is your hammock and you. Because the center
> of hammock is closer to the ground than the attached hammock supports the
> lightning will take that exit path to ground as well. A hammock is no
> place
> to be in a lightning storm. If you're in a storm or its approaching, leave
> the hammock or set it up as a tent type shelter well away from trees until
> it passes.
>
> Don't think it can't happen to you. In June 2006 my twin brother was
> killed
> in his Hennessy Hammock by a lightning strike on one of the support trees
> while kayak camping in NJ. He was a sailor, a pilot, and a ham radio
> operator (N2YAC) that was experienced with lightning. With 69 people
> killed
> in the US by lightning in 2006 what were the chances of it striking
> that one
> particular tree he had his hammock strung from? Don't think it can't
> happen
> to you because it can.
>
> I use carabiners for a quick disconnect on my hammock and can quickly
> get it
> set it up as a tent if lightning approaches. Have a plan. Pick a spot
> where
> it will be set up before it gets dark, know what to do and when to do
> it and
> most important of all - DO IT.
>
> http://new.photos.yahoo.com/allenemer/albums
> <http://new.photos.yahoo.com/allenemer/albums>
>
> Dudley Emer
> KK7IF
> --
>
>
>
>




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#16747

From: "Mark" <flash582@...>
Date: Thu Jan 25, 2007 4:39 pm
Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] "Wet ropes can make excellent conductors." lightning strik

flash582

Trees are NOT good conductors of electricity ... wood, in fact, is a
natural insulator of electricity ... it's the Water in the tree that
makes it a conductor. Wet wood is, however, a slightly better
conductor of electricity than air, which is why trees get struck by
lighting at all.

This water in the tree is also why a Tree tends to explode when struck
by lighting ... the water becomes superheated steam, expands, and
exits the first place it can.

If a tree were a good conductor of electricity, then it would act as a
natural lighting rod and being under a tree in a thunderstorm would be
the best instead of the one of the worst places you can be.

You, however, being made up of 70% water, are a much better conductor
of electricity than the tree .... it is not uncommon for lighting to
strike a top portion of a tree, travel down the tree's length, and
exit the trunk into a better conductor. If you happen to be within 15
to 20 ft of the trunk, then the air gap between you and the tree, and
your body, becomes the better conductor. If you, laying in a hammock,
within 15 to 20 feet of the trunk, and your butt is close enough to
the ground, then you plus the air gap between your butt and the ground
become a better conductor than the tree.

Then you have .... Side Strike.

And the distance between you and ground is going to be dependent on
the humidity levels, type of soil, moisture in the soil, surface area
of your butt, and a host of other variables.

As a previous poster mentioned ... the safest place to be is well away
from the tree, and even when set up as a tent ... you still want to be
well away from the trunk.

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, Dick Matthews <dick@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry for your loss Mr Emer.  I have twin nephews and have observed the
> special bond.
>
> Do you think the risk can be reduced by:

#16748

From: "D. Emer" <dfemer@...>
Date: Fri Jan 26, 2007 4:22 am
Subject: RE: [Hammock Camping] "Wet ropes can make excellent conductors." lightning strikes

kk7if

We did have that special bond alright. Words can't describe how we miss him.

1. I don't think it matters on tree height, lower the better if course, but
if the short tree is in conductive soil the strike will form where the
current flows best and that's an unknown to the camper so I'd think the idea
of tree height may give a false sense of security.  Personally I pick the
best spot, with the best tree, with the best view and enjoy myself.  When
lightning approaches I disconnect and set up as a tent in a low area that
I've already eyeballed for just that event.  The hardest thing is actually
deciding to do it before the rain, wind and the lightning thunder are
crashing all around you and you wished you had (Yeah, been there done that
too!).  Would you do the tie-a-key-to-a kite-string thing in a thunder
storm? me neither, yet a hammock tied to a tree with you as the key is the
direct analog - try not to forget that.

2. I would avoid high ground alright.  Be the smallest object on the lowest
ground would be a good idea.

3. Ever watch a hot air balloon hit a power line? At 600 volts Nylon
conducts electricity, a lighting strike is 10 to 100 million volts at 30,000
amps with a core temperature temperature of up to 50,000 deg F.  It doesn't
matter what's in the path, it's insignificant, there are no dielectrics
under these conditions.

The idea here is we're all out having having fun and enjoying nature, just
realize when nature gets serious you need to have a plan and follow it.

Dudley Emer
KK7IF

   -----Original Message-----
   From: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Dick Matthews
   Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 5:47 AM
   To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: Re: [Hammock Camping] "Wet ropes can make excellent conductors."
lightning strikes

   Sorry for your loss Mr Emer. I have twin nephews and have observed the
   special bond.

   Do you think the risk can be reduced by:

   1. Selecting trees that are not the tallest in the immediate area,

   2. Avoiding high ground, or

   3. Keeping your hammock lines dry by covering with snake skins?

   Dick Matthews
   "We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately."
   - Ben Franklin

   D. Emer wrote:

   > Lightning likes trees, they're high and conductive and present a great
   > ground with the root system. If you or your hammock is attached to that
   > tree (or in close proximity to it) it's part of the circuit with a
   > path more
   > conductive than air. The strike will flow along the tree and out along
   > anything connected to it which is your hammock and you. Because the
center
   > of hammock is closer to the ground than the attached hammock supports
the
   > lightning will take that exit path to ground as well. A hammock is no
   > place
   > to be in a lightning storm. If you're in a storm or its approaching,
leave
   > the hammock or set it up as a tent type shelter well away from trees
until
   > it passes.
   >
   > Don't think it can't happen to you. In June 2006 my twin brother was
   > killed
   > in his Hennessy Hammock by a lightning strike on one of the support
trees
   > while kayak camping in NJ. He was a sailor, a pilot, and a ham radio
   > operator (N2YAC) that was experienced with lightning. With 69 people
   > killed
   > in the US by lightning in 2006 what were the chances of it striking
   > that one
   > particular tree he had his hammock strung from? Don't think it can't
   > happen
   > to you because it can.
   >
   > I use carabiners for a quick disconnect on my hammock and can quickly
   > get it
   > set it up as a tent if lightning approaches. Have a plan. Pick a spot
   > where
   > it will be set up before it gets dark, know what to do and when to do
   > it and
   > most important of all - DO IT.
   >
   > http://new.photos.yahoo.com/allenemer/albums
   > <http://new.photos.yahoo.com/allenemer/albums>
   >
   > Dudley Emer
   > KK7IF
   > --
   >
   >
   >
   >

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#16749

From: "newshutz" <newshutz@...>
Date: Fri Jan 26, 2007 12:21 am
Subject: I only need one more thing!

newshutz