In a message dated 2/28/2006 10:30:19 AM Eastern Standard Time,
karens62@... writes:


> Ed and I will be definitely be hosting the Hammock Hanger campout at Hot
> Springs the weekend of Trailfest

Good!

Sawnie


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Since a lot of you folks make your own gear, here's a question.  I want
to make a UL pack to go with my hammock and other homemade gear.  My
hammock is down to 20 ounces now with fly and I'm planning on a total
pack weight of about 10-12 pounds, so I want the pack to be a pound or
less.

Any patterns out there that you have made and would recommend?

I would like to use the same materials I use for the hammocks, since I
have a bunch on hand - silnylon, and ripstop nylon.  I like to run the
trails, so something that can snug up against my back would be ideal.
Using a closed cell foam pad for a frame would be OK too, since I carry
a short one with me during warm weather.

Recommendations?

Thanks,

Michael

Hi Michael,
I have a couple of packs on my website, the JJ and F2 packs.  The F2 is
a moderately modified G4 pack - and the plans for that are on the web.

Either can be built with the same material used for the hammock, though
I think that a better material is silnylon that is used for the tarp.

I think that when I build my next pack, it will be a G4 version much
like the F2, except that the bottom part of the pack will not flare out.

Risk

Michael Carter wrote:
> Since a lot of you folks make your own gear, here's a question.  I want
> to make a UL pack to go with my hammock and other homemade gear.  My
> hammock is down to 20 ounces now with fly and I'm planning on a total
> pack weight of about 10-12 pounds, so I want the pack to be a pound or
> less.
>
> Any patterns out there that you have made and would recommend?
>
> I would like to use the same materials I use for the hammocks, since I
> have a bunch on hand - silnylon, and ripstop nylon.  I like to run the
> trails, so something that can snug up against my back would be ideal.
> Using a closed cell foam pad for a frame would be OK too, since I carry
> a short one with me during warm weather.
>
> Recommendations?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michael

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Carter" <carterm@...>
wrote:
>
> Since a lot of you folks make your own gear, here's a question.  I want
> to make a UL pack to go with my hammock and other homemade gear.  My
> hammock is down to 20 ounces now with fly and I'm planning on a total
> pack weight of about 10-12 pounds, so I want the pack to be a pound or
> less.

I made a pack last weekend.  It has not been tested but I like it so far.

http://www.cruisenews.net/backpacking/Backpack.html

I'm about halfway through making a Ray-Way pack.  It's quite a bit
more work than making a hammock or a quilt...and I stopped working on
it when I realized it is going to be almost exactly the same size as
another pack I already have.  But now that I've finished all the other
projects for which I have materials on hand, finishing the pack is
next on the docket.

Marta

I have those Tree Huggers so I did not need the extra polypropylene
webbings. So I tried hooking it directly to the hammock just in front
of the knot with large S hooks that came with the Tree Huggers
designed for heavy loads.

It took a few trys to get the material inside the s hook but it works
great. In the pictures one side is attached to a simple rope with
large hook...,I have out there all the time but the other side is
attached to the tree huggers. You may want to try that if you cannot
get the webbing soon enough.

We tested it with 160 lbs and up to 260 lbs with no problems. The knot
held and I know the S hooks are rated to 400 lbs.

I love the two we made and under 10 minutes to make and soooo comfy.
Thanks to Ed Speers and Risk for the idea of the Test Hammock :)

>
> --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "sebastiantoney" <funbun2@>
> wrote:
> >
> > I bought some fabric from the Cheap-Mart $1.00 bin. But I couldn't
> > find any polypropylene webbings. I went to another fabric shop and
> all
> > I could find were 1 inch cotton straps.
> >
> > I put the test hammock together in a few minutes and went down to
> the
> > park to test it out. I hung it low to the ground so if it broke I
> > wouldn't break my tail bone. I sat down slowly adding weight to the
> > thing. Snap! It broke. It was the el cheapo cotton straps. I'll have
> > to order some 1.5 inch poly stuff later.
> >
> > But I put about 3/4 of my weight into the hammock before the
> strapping
> >  snapped. I liked the way it felt I wish it would have held my
> weight
> > because the sun was doing down right there along the river. It would
> > have been a nice way to spend the dusk.
> >
> > Any I'm sold. I'm probably buy some poly webbing to fully test it,
> > 'cause you can't beat nine bucks for a hammock.
> >
>

I love taking my hennessy day hiking with me but would like to make a
smaller more portable hammock. I like to just rest in the hennessy with it
folded over and me laying on the 'outside.'
It's fine and all but I'd like something that is simpler and will fold up
smaller.
What material would be recommended?
I was thinking about using webbing instead of cord/tree huggers for
simplicity. Any reasons why not?
I would think I could minimize width because this is just for
lounging/resting/etc.
Any and all thoughts are appreciated.
It should be rather simple and a nice way to get my feet wet making my own
hammock.

Thanks in advance

--
Scott


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>I love taking my hennessy day hiking with me but
>would like to make a smaller more portable hammock.

I have a Bana that I really like, but Bana is out of business.  There is another
one very similar, but I can't remember the name of it.  Do a search for hammocks
on Campmor.  They have them.

Shane

Seems like most anything would do.  I would use about 3 yards of $1
wallyworld material, since it's just for short rests.  Gather the ends
and connect some rope with a double sheet bend.  For the rope, use 3/8
or maybe 1/4 inch polypropylene (flattens against the tree, making it a
lot like webbing) about 10 feet long.  Just my opinion...

Or buy something simple...

Bill in Houston

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Schroeder"
<schrochem@...> wrote:
>
> I love taking my hennessy day hiking with me but would like to make a
> smaller more portable hammock.

I take the $20 Amazonia hammock out on day trips, use thin webbing for
my tree huggers/attachment line. Works great, confortable for short
periods (ie not sure I could sleep overnight in it, although some do,
I've heard) Cheap, light and ready made!

A simple single layer rectangular hammock - like Ed's book hammock or my
test hammock (but add hems along the long sides) would be easy and
light. 1.9 oz ripstop is perfect.

Risk

Scott Schroeder wrote:
> I love taking my hennessy day hiking with me but would like to make a
> smaller more portable hammock. I like to just rest in the hennessy with it
> folded over and me laying on the 'outside.'
> It's fine and all but I'd like something that is simpler and will fold up
> smaller.
> What material would be recommended?
> I was thinking about using webbing instead of cord/tree huggers for
> simplicity. Any reasons why not?
> I would think I could minimize width because this is just for
> lounging/resting/etc.
> Any and all thoughts are appreciated.
> It should be rather simple and a nice way to get my feet wet making my own
> hammock.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> --
> Scott
>
>
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>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Thanks all for the suggestions.
I looked around at some 'ready made' hammocks, but it's so straight forward
I'd like to make my own. I also want muted/blending colors.
thanks Rick, 1.9oz it is.
bill mentioned 3/8 or 1/4" webbing. Any thoughts or suggestions on hanging?
thanks for the help
Scott


On 3/3/06, Rick <ra1@...> wrote:
>
> A simple single layer rectangular hammock - like Ed's book hammock or my
> test hammock (but add hems along the long sides) would be easy and
> light. 1.9 oz ripstop is perfect.
>
> Risk
>
>


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hello,
i'm looking for advice regarding a jungle hammock.. i'm looking for
a no frills jungle hammock, that is a hammock with a mosquito net
rain fly is not neccessary.. however me being scandinavian and not
putting up with heat very well and wanting the thing for use in
africa and south america i'm looking for the coolest most ventilated
thing imaginable.. also i don't want a rain fly (i have all that
stuff in other equipement).. so far i've used two different hammocks
in the jungle:

an old french military issue hammock which had a canvas base and a
zipper closed mosquito net and a small roof, the roof is a waste of
space since it's too small to keep you dry during the rainy season..
and the canvas, well it's heavy and once it gets wet it stays wet
and gets even heavier.. on the upside is that cutting up a couple of
spreaders and pulling the hammock tight makes the darn thing
completely flat, so i cool off nicely since i'm not lying "inside"
the hammock but rather "on" it.. this also allowes me to sleep even
on my side or stomach.. also i like the zipper closing of the
mosquito net, once shut it stays shut.. all in all very comfortable
but heavy..

then i've used the new french issue hammock which has a nylon bed
and a mosquito net attached with velcro.. it's a disaster.. i can't
get a good nights sleep in it, i have to lie on my back because the
tissue stretches so that you're banana shaped, the velcro won't stay
shut, you move slightly and hear rrrrip which means somewhere around
the circumference the mosquito net is no longer closed.. and the
worst is probably the non breathability of the bed tissue, at 3 in
the morning my bottom is 5cm deep in a lake of sweat.. all in all
very uncomfortable, very unpractical but fairly light.. sort of like
sleeping in a big bin bag..

so i guess what i'm looking for is something that you can pull tight
and sleep flat in, with a reliable mosquito net, as cool and
ventilating as possible, and as light as possible.. what would be
your advice on which hammock to buy??

thanks
j

1 inch webbing (polypropyline) or 3/8 inch yellow polypro hollow braid
rope are my two best suggestions.  The best and cheapest webbing is
available on line.

This is covered here:

http://www.imrisk.com/hammock/ultrahammockkit.htm

Rick

Scott Schroeder wrote:
.
> bill mentioned 3/8 or 1/4" webbing. Any thoughts or suggestions on hanging?
> thanks for the help
> Scott
>
>

Very good.
Thanks
scott


On 3/3/06, Rick <ra1@...> wrote:
>
> 1 inch webbing (polypropyline) or 3/8 inch yellow polypro hollow braid
> rope are my two best suggestions.  The best and cheapest webbing is
> available on line.
>
> This is covered here:
>
> http://www.imrisk.com/hammock/ultrahammockkit.htm
>
> Rick
>
>


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I wouldn't cut down too much on the width.  With a Speer or
TestHammock, you can comfortably lounge in it by folding it in half
like the HH, but it's better because the bugnet and ridgeline don't
get in the way.

However, cutting the width would change the way it lounges and might
prevent you from sleeping comfortably in it if you ever needed to.
Cutting a 60" width down to 48" will save you ~2 oz.  That's about as
narrow as I'd want to go.  YMMV.

Jeff

J...My experience with the Hennessy Hammock is great for a no-bug hammock
with as much ventilation as possible. Laying on a bias inside hammock keeps the
body as flat as is possible to lay in a hammock. Entry is through a slit in the
bottom, closes upon your entry with velcro for no bug entry...mesh across
entire top with good ventilation and vision to the outdoors.
LH


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--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "not_so_likely"
<not_so_likely@...> wrote:
>
> hello,
> i'm looking for advice regarding a jungle hammock.. i'm looking for
> a no frills jungle hammock, that is a hammock with a mosquito net
> rain fly is not neccessary...

It is really quite easy to make a hammock:
Use 3 meters of lightweight ripstop nylon, uncoated
hem (sew) the ends and sides
fold the ends together and wrap with polyester webbing, 5m on each end
get 3m bugscreen fabric
tie it at both ends of the hammock
let it hang down over the hammock

http://www.imrisk.com/hammock/ultraquarterweight.htm
http://www.imrisk.com/testhammock/testhammock.htm
http://www.imrisk.com/zhammock/zhammock.htm
http://www.imrisk.com/hammockwhipping/hammockwhipping.htm
http://www.tothewoods.net/JeffsHikingPage.html

Coy, from one Alabama boy to another - I appreciate the 'glass of tea'
analogy!  ;^)



Makes me think of having a cold glass of sweetened iced tea on the front
porch at my grandma's - sittin' in the glider, swattin' at flies..



Steve



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From: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Coy
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 8:45 AM
To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Hammock Camping] Re: Hammock camping experiments



Hi Paul

<clip>  Ive thougth about it some and the only resonable explination I can
come up with is a glass
of tea sitting on the counter.  <clip>


Coy Boy





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One more thing.
I'm 6'3" 200lbs
If I plan to whip the ends, is 10' of 1.9 a good length?
Gracias
Scott


On 3/3/06, Scott Schroeder <schrochem@...> wrote:
>
>  Very good.
> Thanks
>  scott
>
>
>  On 3/3/06, Rick <ra1@...> wrote:
>
> > 1 inch webbing (polypropyline) or 3/8 inch yellow polypro hollow braid
> > rope are my two best suggestions.  The best and cheapest webbing is
> > available on line.
> >
> > This is covered here:
> >
> > http://www.imrisk.com/hammock/ultrahammockkit.htm
> >
> > Rick
> >
> >
>


--
Scott


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> One more thing.
> I'm 6'3" 200lbs
> If I plan to whip the ends, is 10' of 1.9 a good length?
> Gracias

Yeah.  Minimum hammock length is your height + 2 feet.  I like my height (5'
10") + 4 feet, but I'm greedy.

Shane

has anyone in the nc area been to short-off mt in linville gorge
lately?  i`ve never been when the spring hasn`t been running on top,
but i`ve heard others say that they have seen it dry. i may be going
up for a night this comming weekend & we haven`t had a lot of rain in
a while so i thought i`d see if any one has been up lately.  ed...
have you ever not found water on top?  i`d hate to have to hike all
the way down to the river when i could be swinging in my
hammock ;`0   ...thanks...tim

What is the general opinion on sleeping pads (type)? I will be hiking
the AT from WV to Main starting in May. I am considering a Big Agnes
pad 2.5 inch version, only because I want a thick pad ...IF... I can't
find a spot to hang my hammock and have to sleep on the ground. Is
that a possibility on parts of the AT north from WV?
Inflatable vs. foam type??  Also, weight is always a concern. I have
never needed a sleeping pad (live in South Florida)  some advise
REQUIRED………..comfort………weight………no BS………..

Thanks

Most any kind of air mattress is nice when you have to go to the
ground/shelter floor but....your biggest concern with any pad in the
hammock will be width.  The BA Air Core is only 20 inches wide but I
have heard several say they work well when used with BA bags.
However, I dont think the same setup would work for me.  I have pretty
broad shoulders and when my shoulders get next to the sides of my
hammock they get cold.  The BA Air Core in a Speere SPE would probably
work (I would need to bring some strips  of CCF for the wings).  I
slept last night using a self inflating pad I just got.  it is a
SlumberJack Family Camper modle (72x25x1.5) = 3 lb 2 oz.  Probably a
little heavier than what your are looking for though.  It works great
for me down to around freezing (havent tried it in really cold weather
yet)  If money is no problem then the DAM from Stevensons would be
great.  Or the slimer Exped DAM using the SPE for the side wings.  I
guess what I'm trying to say is, the pad needs to offer some
protection for your shoulders in a hammock so keep that in mind as you
make your decision.

Coy Boy

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "archidaveture"
<archidaveture@...> wrote:
>
> What is the general opinion on sleeping pads (type)? I will be hiking
> the AT from WV to Main starting in May. I am considering a Big Agnes
> pad 2.5 inch version, only because I want a thick pad ...IF... I
can't
> find a spot to hang my hammock and have to sleep on the ground. Is
> that a possibility on parts of the AT north from WV?
> Inflatable vs. foam type??  Also, weight is always a concern. I have
> never needed a sleeping pad (live in South Florida)  some advise
> REQUIRED………..comfort………weight………no BS………..
>
> Thanks
>

I just got back from a backpacking trip of the Lakeshore Trail in the
Smokies.  On the second day we were admiring the view from a cove on
the lake while the wind was consistainly about 20 mph where we were
standing.  My buddy spotted a bald eagle trying to fly into the wind
over a mountain peak.  The eagle was almost stationary in the air for a
while before he seemed to give up against the strong headwind and just
turned and headed somewhere downwind.  He was pretty high in the sky
but it was neat to see him.  There are some bald eagles that live
around Fontana Lake.

My buddy was interested in the Lakeshore Trail because it is the
subject of a possible road connecting Bryson City and Fontana Dam (in
NC).  If the road is built it will for the most part be where that
trail is.  There were a number of former homesteads and such along the
trail from the early 1940's when the TVA and National Park
Service 'acquired' that land.  There were about 13 small cemetaries
along the way that the Park Service provides once a year access (other
than hiking in) for family.  Many of the cemetaries were moved to
higher ground before the flooded the land for the dam and access wasn't
provided for many decades.

Oh yeah, we slept in the Fontana Hilton at the dam one night and hung
in hammocks at primitive campsites the other two nights.  The Fontana
Hilton is probably the nicest shelter on the Appalachian Trail.  There
are heated restrooms with running water within 100 yards, both a Mens
and Womans with two private stalls in the Mens room.  There are public
showers as well as nice restrooms at the dam which is about a quarter
mile away.  The forecast before we left was for a low temperature in
the mid thirties but it got down to 25F on our last night.  We were at
a low elevation for the area, right by a beautiful river near the lake
and there was no wind.  I suspect there was a temperature inversion and
we where were the cold air settled.  We were lucky in that we didn't
get fogged in or even condensation issues from high humidity and we
also had sufficient insulation so it was a 'mild' 25F.  I woke up at 2
am and noticed my feet where cool so I went to the trouble of adding
plastic bags between my liner socks and fleece socks.  That did the
trick and my feet were comfortably warm a few minutes later.

Dave

that sounds like an interresting hike dave, w/ the cemetarys & old
homesteads. ...not to mention seeing the bald eagle.  and that`s some
shelter!  i`ll bet the through hikers are glad to see it.  ya know...
i`ve got a pair of VBL socks that i bought years ago & never did use
them but a few times.  i have problems w/ cold feet, so i`ll have to
that another try.     thanks...tim

i love the inflatables w/ insulation, like the BA insulated air core & the
expead down air mat (DAM).  i sleep every night in a hammock in my BR w/ the BA.
that type mattress (only partly inflated) supports every contor of the body,
making my hammock an even more wonderful place to lay, no matter if i`m home or
on the trail.  my only concern is that several people (including myself) have
had problems w/ slow leaks. BA replaced my slow-leak pad w/ a new one last fall.
the new one has done fine untill the last couple weeks.  it`s got another slow
leak.  i haven`t taken the time yet to put it into the tub w/ water to see where
the leak is. i hope it`s in a place i can sucessfuly patch & not on a seam.
bottom line is that the inflatables are luxurious to sleep on, but if they where
to develope a leak that would leave you flat before morning, you wouldn`t have
insulation underneath.  of course most of the leaks i`ve expereanced or heard of
where slow leaks that wern`t of any real
  problem for getting through one nights sleep.  i`m sure others here will add
thier expereance.   ...tim                                           PS...i love
mine so much that i`m concidering carying a trimed down CCF pad to go under it
as insureance.

archidaveture <archidaveture@...> wrote:  What is the general opinion on
sleeping pads (type)? I will be hiking
the AT from WV to Main starting in May. I am considering a Big Agnes
pad 2.5 inch version, only because I want a thick pad ...IF... I can't
find a spot to hang my hammock and have to sleep on the ground. Is
that a possibility on parts of the AT north from WV?
Inflatable vs. foam type??  Also, weight is always a concern. I have
never needed a sleeping pad (live in South Florida)  some advise
REQUIRED………..comfort………weight………no BS………..

Thanks






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If you're looking for a ready-made hammock, I recommend the Mosquito Hammock,
Expedition model. If I were going to make one myself, this is pretty much what
I'd aim for.

The materials and workmanship are great. So is the price. I have every model
he's ever offered, and the Expedition model (IMHO) is best suited to backpacking
and a few nights in the forest.

I think you'll find the "banana" effect in almost any hammock. You can do a lot
by experimenting with different ways of pitching the hammock, finding your
diagonal positions, and learning a few ways to arrange your legs.

Bear

Try a Travel Hammock. For $16, it's not worth rolling your own.

Best, Todd in CC.


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hello everyone, i just got done from my grandma's house, after sewing
some of my 5mm silk, the fabric can hold my weight in a standard speer
type hammock (I weigh 140), but when it is sewed, the holes seemed to
get larger and larger the more i tugged on them. during sewing, the
fabric also seemed to bunch up and get pulled to the middle a bit, we
were using a zig-zag stich, with a somewhat wide setting, and an '11'
singer sewing needle (i think..) does anyone have any sewing
recomendations when sewing silk? do you think it would be wiser to use
lets say an 8mm combine with a 5mm? or would it be wiser to just
combine 2 layers of the same thicknesses?
thanks!
mike!