--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Speer" <ed@s...> wrote:
> Now that would be quite a quantum leap, J.D.   I can just see the
> tiny packs of powdered beer right now-move over Wyler's and make
> room for Budweiser!!

Well, I don't see why someone hasn't come up with this yet!

One of the few things I remember from H.S. Freshman Latin I was that
the Romans had simialr weight & bulk issues bringing wine over the
mountains.  So, they tried distilling it and then re-constituting it
when it got to Rome.  However, it was TOO GOOD in the distilled form;
so they called it "Brandy".

Hmmm....????  Perhaps those who have attempted to produce freeze dried
beer have discovered something similar and not telling us....??!?!?!?

Happy Trails,

J.D.

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, Mark Bayern <mbayern@g...> wrote:
> Google:  112 English pages for "freeze dried beer".

W_O_W....!!!!

Mark,

You are driving me crazy...<g>...!  Now, I will be surfing all
day...<g>...!

Happy Trails,

J.D.

Seuss



I didn't have time to check that web site until this am.  Thanks.  I'm
intrigued about adding heating wires to the bottom of a hammock and this
outfit looks promising.  I'll call them today to see what they think..Ed



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Maybe have a look at Kustom Komfort. http://www.kustomkomfort.com
They sell kits to retrofit clothing to electrically heated clothing.
If it's really something you want to play around with I could see you
installing some heat lines in a Pea Pod.

seuss

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Speer" <ed@s...> wrote:
>
> Shorting out is one of my concerns with 120 vAC electric blankets;
but I
> don't know if the same problem is likely to happen to 12 vDC
blankets?  .Ed
>





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--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, Moz <list@m...> wrote:
> Michael B. Carter said:
> > but then I don't sleep on my bike, not on purpose anyway :o).
...
> On a recumbent trike sleeping is actually relatively comfortable,
> although it can be hard to wrap a sleeping bag around yourself. I've
> heard of people falling asleep during PBP or the like and waking up on
> the side of the road when they get cold, but I've only done it
> deliberately, and only once. It's better to pitch the hammock.

Still have my BMW 90/6 - Purchased in 1976 - Over 250K miles now -
Don't ride much anymore...<sigh>...

Wish I had known about hammocks and heated gear on those several long
cross-country, into Canada, and Mexico adventures.  Painful memories
of trying to sleep and keep warm under a tarp with my bike.  Starting
it up now & then to use the exhaust heat...  Aching back...  But, I
was young & stupid then versus old & crafty now...<g>...!

Lady friend passenger feel asleep behind me going thru Phoenix once.
It was all I could do to keep the rubber down and keep her from
sliding off...!

Happy Trails,

J.D.

penny... i`ll go ahead & through in my thoughts.  i realize your doing this test
in the back yard & so the following is not that big a deal, but you`ll brobably
want to test what you would actualy be using on the trail.  fleece can`t match a
quilt or clothing filled w/ a puffer insulation like down or synthtic fill (as
in weight to warmth, also bulk). you may not have time to make a switch if your
going to test tonight, but for testing sake, walmart has some extraloft poly
batting that works great along w/ nylon from the $1.00 bin.  OR if you have a
puffy jacket & pants, that`s what i would likly be sleeping in in cold weather.
and they would help fill the extra room inside your bag.  ...slowhike

PennyBright <GreenSoul@...> wrote:  I'm gearing up for  my first test of 
winter hammocking,  and was planning
on adding a fleece liner bag I have to my system.

Any idea if it would be more efficient insulation wise to use the liner
inside my bag , or around it on the outside?   I'm thinking that inside it
would reduce my dead air space (my bag is a little large for me),  but
outside it would protect the warmth in the loft from being stripped away as
easily.

Also, if I used it outside the bag, I think I might be able to slide the
blue pad into it..... I'm not sure, I'm going to test that later today.  I'm
not sure if there would be any value in that or not.

Anna

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Ed,

Be careful with the heating wires, I don't think you want to plug in
12VDC heating wires into a 115VAC or 220VAC outlet at the campground.
<grin>  If my memory is correct, a little single cup water heater
coil in the UK (240VAC?) heated up a cup of water quicker than a
microwave would... something about V^2/R.

Is the next evolution in hammock camping going to be a two-wheeled
hammock with two-wheel drive AND two-wheel steering.  I've already
got a sidecar design that might work for that and Jeff's gear hammock
might work out pretty well also.

Dave

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Speer" <ed@s...> wrote:
>
> Seuss
>
>
>
> I didn't have time to check that web site until this am.  Thanks.
I'm
> intrigued about adding heating wires to the bottom of a hammock and
this
> outfit looks promising.  I'll call them today to see what they
think..Ed
>
>

Ed. this link might be helpful also.
http://www.ibmwr.org/otech/heatedclothing.html

more of a DIY approach....



On 11/30/05, Ed Speer <ed@...> wrote:
> Seuss
>
>
>
> I didn't have time to check that web site until this am.  Thanks.  I'm
> intrigued about adding heating wires to the bottom of a hammock and this
> outfit looks promising.  I'll call them today to see what they think..Ed
>
>
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>
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> From: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of seuss910
> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 11:54 AM
> To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: {Spam?} [Hammock Camping] Re: electric hammock
>
>
>
> Maybe have a look at Kustom Komfort. http://www.kustomkomfort.com
> They sell kits to retrofit clothing to electrically heated clothing.
> If it's really something you want to play around with I could see you
> installing some heat lines in a Pea Pod.
>
> seuss
>
> --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Speer" <ed@s...> wrote:
> >
> > Shorting out is one of my concerns with 120 vAC electric blankets;
> but I
> > don't know if the same problem is likely to happen to 12 vDC
> blankets?  .Ed
> >
>
>
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I would use it wherever you feel cold.  You will definitely need the
blue pad underneath you, in my estimation.  Once you open your
sleeping bag and put it on like a foot-boxed quilt, I don't think you
will have any problems with excess dead air space.

So I'd start with the pad and the bag, and see where you get cold,
and put the liner there.  In the future you may get more
sophisticated and do something more complex...

Bill in Houston

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, PennyBright <GreenSoul@g...>
wrote:
>
> I'm gearing up for  my first test of  winter hammocking,  and was
planning
> on adding a fleece liner bag I have to my system.
>
> Any idea if it would be more efficient insulation wise to use the
liner
> inside my bag , or around it on the outside?   I'm thinking that
inside it
> would reduce my dead air space (my bag is a little large for me),
but
> outside it would protect the warmth in the loft from being stripped
away as
> easily.
>
>  Also, if I used it outside the bag, I think I might be able to
slide the
> blue pad into it..... I'm not sure, I'm going to test that later
today.  I'm
> not sure if there would be any value in that or not.
>
> Anna
>

Or you could skip the wires and make the entire hammock a heating
element if you make it out of a carbon fiber electroconductive
textile like Gorix. (www.gorix.com) Though that may be a little hard
to come by and a little pricey if you could.

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Speer" <ed@s...> wrote:
>I'm
> intrigued about adding heating wires to the bottom of a hammock and
this
> outfit looks promising.  I'll call them today to see what they
think..Ed
>

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, Mark Bayern <mbayern@g...> wrote:
> Anyway, I tried sleeping on my bike once. It was not on purpose. Ended
> up with a comminuted fracture (crushed like an eggshell) of my right
> clavicle, and a really messed up Honda 350.
>
> Not recommended.

Do I detect a flood of "Loud Pipes Save Lives" posts?

Fuzzy

http://www.shadowriders.org/faq/electricvests.html
http://home.mebtel.net/~rbutterfield/Heat.html
http://www.ridemyown.com/articles/other/make_heated_clothing.shtml
At 09:33 AM 11/30/05, you wrote:

>Ed. this link might be helpful also.
>http://www.ibmwr.org/otech/heatedclothing.html
>
>more of a DIY approach....
>
>
>
>On 11/30/05, Ed Speer <ed@...> wrote:
> > Seuss
> >
> >
> >
> > I didn't have time to check that web site until this am.  Thanks.  I'm
> > intrigued about adding heating wires to the bottom of a hammock and this
> > outfit looks promising.  I'll call them today to see what they think..Ed
> >
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> > On Behalf Of seuss910
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> > To: hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com
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> >
> >
> >
> > Maybe have a look at Kustom Komfort. http://www.kustomkomfort.com
> > They sell kits to retrofit clothing to electrically heated clothing.
> > If it's really something you want to play around with I could see you
> > installing some heat lines in a Pea Pod.
> >
> > seuss
> >
> > --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Speer" <ed@s...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Shorting out is one of my concerns with 120 vAC electric blankets;
> > but I
> > > don't know if the same problem is likely to happen to 12 vDC
> > blankets?  .Ed
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Tee, thanks for the links.  I've printed some of them to keep for reference.
Now if I can just find time to do this project...Ed



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http://www.shadowriders.org/faq/electricvests.html
http://home.mebtel.net/~rbutterfield/Heat.html
http://www.ridemyown.com/articles/other/make_heated_clothing.shtml
At 09:33 AM 11/30/05, you wrote:

>Ed. this link might be helpful also.
>http://www.ibmwr.org/otech/heatedclothing.html
>
>more of a DIY approach....
>





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On 11/30/05, tim garner <slowhike@...> wrote:
>
>  "you`ll brobably want to test what you would actualy be using on the
> trail". --



   Yeah,  that's the idea.  *lol*   the fleece liner/summer weight bag being
what I've got that I could use on the trail.

    Right now I'm trying to work with what I have to see if I can make a
working, not too heavy, winter system.     If I can't put something together
with my current stuff, then I'll work up ideas about what gear I might want
to gift myself with before next year,  but right now my budget just won't go
there.

   Bill,  I am totally there on needing the blue pad underneath me... I'm
wondering if putting liner around the blue pad and my bag might work well --
sort of like the Big Agnes bags have that pad pocket.  Provide the extra
insulating layer, and help keep the blue pad from sliding around.

    It looks like I'm looking at about 25 degree temps tomorrow night.....
we'll see how it goes.

    Anna



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Well, the home made top quilt "GIFT" that my buddy gave me is a bit
heavy at 45.7 ounces...-<sigh>-...  My 5F slpg. bag is only 5 ounces
heavier at 50.8 ounces!  I was hoping to save about 2 pounds - Rats!

This quilt is 36" wide with a full length zipper and draft tube.  I
could do some surgery; but would then have two panels only 18" wide
that would need to be re-joined.

What width top quilts are you folks using?

May I ask all of the DYI'ers...?  Think it's worth the time and effort
to cut this top quilt and re-join or just start from scratch and make
a top quilt that is sized better?

BTW and for what it's worth, I went to the Post Office for more
accurate weights today:

Exped Dam (Downmat 7 - Full Length) - 33.4 oz. = 2.09 lbs.
Frogg Toggs - 16.4 oz. = 1.03 lbs. (Heavier than I thought!)
5F Slpg. Bag - 50.8 oz. = 3.2 lbs.

Thanks!

J.D.

jd...  at 36" wide, your obviously talking about the quilt being
folded over & ziped closed like a bag, right?  that would make it
about 72" wide when opened up & layed out flat. if so, then you could
loose some width. my heavyer (ray way) quilt is about 48" for the
upper half, but i wouldn`t mind it being 10" or so wider to make it a
little easyer to keep tucked in when turning. it also gets a little
more narrow towards the bottom. the last 15" or so at the bottom are
sewed together to form a foot box. i made a quilt out of a down bag by
sewing about 1 & 1/2" from the zipper...all the way down one side,
around the bottom of the zipper, & back up the other side. 1st, i
shook as much of the down away from the zipper so it would remain in
the bag. then i cut away the zipper, folded the cut fabric edge over &
hemed, then folded & hemed again. this left the original foot box in
place & did away the w/ zipper & excess fabric (including 8 or 10" of
excess length that i removed from the top/shoulder). now it`s my
favorite quilt for fairly mild weather.   it`s about 56-58" wide. it
weighs 1 & 1/2 lbs, & i believe it will serve me well into the low 40s
or even the 30s, depending on what i use w/ it. what`s your quilt
insulated w/ ?   ...slowhike

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "tim garner" <slowhike@y...> wrote:
>  jd...  at 36" wide, your obviously talking about the quilt being
> folded over & ziped closed like a bag, right?

No...  36" wide total - not folded.  This masterpiece was designed to
go over a T-Rest on the ground and NOT MOVE around.  So, the flaps
tuck under and there is ALSO a Velcro attachment system holding it to
the T-Rest.

> my heavyer (ray way) quilt is about 48" for the upper half

Hmmm... That's much wider than I thought.  I'm fairly skinny at 165
lbs. so maybe I don't need that width?

> i made a quilt out of a down bag

Yes, I seem to remember that description.

> now it`s my favorite quilt for fairly mild weather.   it`s about
> 56-58" wide. it weighs 1 & 1/2 lbs

Well, that's the weight I am seeking; but, I am still amazed at the
width.  Just looked at Mr. Speer's "Top Blanket" - 41" wide @ 16 oz.

Thanks for the response!

Happy Trails,

J.D.

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "J.D. Hoessle" <JD@H...> wrote:
> No...  36" wide total - not folded.  This masterpiece was designed to
> go over a T-Rest on the ground and NOT MOVE around.  So, the flaps
> tuck under and there is ALSO a Velcro attachment system holding it to
> the T-Rest.
>
> > my heavyer (ray way) quilt is about 48" for the upper half
>
> Hmmm... That's much wider than I thought.  I'm fairly skinny at 165
> lbs. so maybe I don't need that width?


The way you're supposed to figure the correct width for a Ray-Way
quilt it to lie on your side and measure from the ground up over your
shoulder and back down to the ground again.  Then add 12 inches so it
doesn't gap open around the bottom, if you're lying on your side.  36"
is more like a winding shroud than a camping quilt.

When I made my winter quilt last weekend, the width measurement by
formula was 51".  I increased that to 56.5" for extra tuck-in width.
The Ray-Way quilt pattern has gotten fancier since a year ago, and now
there's an option for a "draft-stopper" strip as well as a
shaped "gorget" to go up and tuck around your head.  For the winter
quilt I included both options.  It is quite a thing--huge, and puffy,
and very, very purple.

I'm hoping to get by a Super WM tomorrow to buy cheap materials for a
trial insulated hammock.  (Which will become the porch hammock for the
winter.)  If that works out, I'll get the more expensive materials to
make a lighter version.  I note that the Outdoor Fabric shop also
stocks some purple nylon.  Bring your sunglasses to Springer Dec.
31st...

Marta

Marta

Hey folks, lets forgo the wires and go direct to microwave heating.  :]

Ralph

jd... i`m having a hard time picturing this quilt. only 36" wide, but weighing
almost 3lbs.  of course the zipper & velcro would help account for some of that.
but i`ve never seen a quilt w/ a zipper.  it sounds almost as if you`r
describing something more like a big agness bag w/ no insulation on the bottom,
just a nylon bottom into which you slide your pad. and mabey that`s where the
velcro comes in... to keep the pad from sliding.   also... i don`t understand
the part about doing surgery & ending up w/ two 18" panels.  draw me a picture
my friend.  ...slowhike       PS... if all the insulation is on top of you, how
thick is the loft on that baby?

"J.D. Hoessle" <JD@...> wrote:  Well, the home made top quilt "GIFT"
that my buddy gave me is a bit
heavy at 45.7 ounces...-<sigh>-...  My 5F slpg. bag is only 5 ounces
heavier at 50.8 ounces!  I was hoping to save about 2 pounds - Rats!

This quilt is 36" wide with a full length zipper and draft tube.  I
could do some surgery; but would then have two panels only 18" wide
that would need to be re-joined.

What width top quilts are you folks using?

May I ask all of the DYI'ers...?  Think it's worth the time and effort
to cut this top quilt and re-join or just start from scratch and make
a top quilt that is sized better?

BTW and for what it's worth, I went to the Post Office for more
accurate weights today:

Exped Dam (Downmat 7 - Full Length) - 33.4 oz. = 2.09 lbs.
Frogg Toggs - 16.4 oz. = 1.03 lbs. (Heavier than I thought!)
5F Slpg. Bag - 50.8 oz. = 3.2 lbs.

Thanks!

J.D.





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--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, Ralph Oborn <Ralph.oborn@g...>
wrote:
>
> Hey folks, lets forgo the wires and go direct to microwave
heating.  :]

I was thinking that heating wires, and microwave heating for that
matter, wouldn't be nearly as comfortable as Swedish Model standard.

In male and female versions, of course.

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, "marta_clark"
<marta_clark@y...> wrote:
> The way you're supposed to figure the correct width for a Ray-Way
> quilt it to lie on your side and measure from the ground up over
> your shoulder and back down to the ground again.  Then add 12 inches
> so it doesn't gap open around the bottom, if you're lying on your
> side.  36" is more like a winding shroud than a camping quilt.

Thank you, Marta!

That makes sense "on the ground".  But, in my hammock with SPE, I
wouldn't think I need worry about it opening on the sides and bottom.
  My thinking is/was that it would just stay on "TOP". Hence the trem
"Top Blanket"...?

> It is quite a thing--huge, and puffy, and very, very purple.
...
> I note that the Outdoor Fabric shop also
> stocks some purple nylon.  Bring your sunglasses to Springer Dec.
> 31st...

...hehehe!

Thanks again!

J.D.

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, Ralph Oborn <Ralph.oborn@g...>
wrote:
> Hey folks, lets forgo the wires and go direct to microwave heating.

My thinking too, Ralph!

Just throw one of these babies on the camp fire, forget the batteries
and long wires, and plug in....!

<http://www.hi-z.com/websit04.htm>

J.D.

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, tim garner <slowhike@y...>
wrote:> jd... i`m having a hard time picturing this quilt. only 36"
wide, but weighing almost 3lbs.
....
> draw me a picture my friend.  ...slowhike

OK.... Will attempt to upload a couple pics.

J.D.

> --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, tim garner <slowhike@y...>
> wrote:> jd... i`m having a hard time picturing this quilt. only 36"
> wide, but weighing almost 3lbs.
> ....
> draw me a picture my friend.  ...slowhike

Under Photos - J.D. - Zhammock you will find Top Blanket # 1 and # 2

In #1. You can see the two light blue "panels" each about 18" wide.
The darker silnyl "flaps" running down the sides are to tuck-under the
edges of a T-Rest.  You can almost see the darker Velcro patches on
the bottom (right side) that form a foot-box.

In #2. Less contrast - I have folded the flaps back under

The zipper is full length.  That idea was for easy night time
escapes...<g>....

Loft / Thickness is ~~2" - Qualofil insulation...?

Now that Marta has given us the formula for width, I am about to give
up on doing any kind of mod to this masterpiece.  Even taking out the
zipper and re-joining the two panels will only make it 36" wide.

It was very difficult laying on my side on the floor just now trying
to measure up over my shoulder and back down again!  With SkyDog's
help I came up with an 88" inch measurement for the width...<g>...
WithOUT her help I got ~~44"...

Happy Trails,

J.D.

You probably have more than one layer of insulation in there to make
it that thick.  You could always take the quilt apart and use the
insulation to make a larger, thinner quilt.  Insulation is the
expensive part of quilts, anyway (especially if you get DWR on the $1
rack).

ahhh... now i see. the ol center exit zipper. i should ave known :~)
your friend did a good job on that quilt. you might want to keep it
for car camping instead of backpacking though. it ought to be warm.

> I was thinking that heating wires, and microwave heating for that
> matter, wouldn't be nearly as comfortable as Swedish Model standard.
>
> In male and female versions, of course.

??????????

Ralph

--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, Ralph Oborn <Ralph.oborn@g...>
wrote:
>
> > I was thinking that heating wires, and microwave heating for that
> > matter, wouldn't be nearly as comfortable as Swedish Model
standard.
> >
> > In male and female versions, of course.
>
> ??????????
>
> Ralph

Snuggling with a Swedish model is more comfy than a microwave.

Ahhh, When I googled I came up with a Swedish economic model for social
benefits. I didn't think any one could keepwarm with that.

Ralph


On 11/30/05, jwj32542 <jwj32542@...> wrote:
>
> --- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, Ralph Oborn <Ralph.oborn@g...>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I was thinking that heating wires, and microwave heating for that
> > > matter, wouldn't be nearly as comfortable as Swedish Model
> standard.
> > >
> > > In male and female versions, of course.
> >
> > ??????????
> >
> > Ralph
>
> Snuggling with a Swedish model is more comfy than a microwave.
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--- In hammockcamping@yahoogroups.com, Ralph Oborn <Ralph.oborn@g...>
wrote:
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> Ahhh, When I googled I came up with a Swedish economic model for
social
> benefits. I didn't think any one could keepwarm with that.

Haha - yeah, that would make anyone frigid...