"They All Told the Truth: The Antigravity Papers" by Richard P. Crandall
Trafford Publishing.
http://www.trafford.com/robots/03-0086.html
I just finished reading this book today and it's quite long- maybe 800
pages of 8 by 11's.
This is not only a book on how to build a simplified antigravity device.
Richard P. Crandall also tells us in great detail *why* he believes it will
work, and with the physics to back it up.
I have been reading on the subject of antigravity for about 45 years. I only
have first year university, so am not qualified to analyse his unified
theory that he has actually taken to below the level of quarks, because it
requires a knowledge of physics that frankly is beyond me- PhD level at
least.. Having said my caveat, my overall "lay" impression is that it is
detailed, comprehensive, and *apparently* consistent. It *appears* to be
reasonable. I could follow him step by step at the "lay" level, and he
claims that Hal Puthoff looked at it from the PhD level and said that it
looked very good.
I do give Crandall high points for joining the dots between [apparently]
disparate antigravity device claims. He appears to be much further along
that road than some. Simplistically speaking he is dealing with the
induction of antigravity by modulation of gravitomagnetism, but he explains
all this on a very deep level while simultaneously developing his unified
theory. There are some interesting and new simpler antigravity experimental
designs in his book based on not only his own theories but relating and
referencing to the experiments of Eugene Podkletnov, Henry Wallace, David
Hamel, and an alleged design of a craft at S-4, Area 51.
Crandall's designs are much easier to implement. His theory explains (also
in detail) the natural *source* of the significant power required to
generate the necessary gravity waves. This will surprise you.
I was disappointed that there is no antigravity experiment that he had
personally *completed*, although he gives a reference to an observation of
free electrical energy noted as a side effect to an uncompleted antigravity
experiment that he was currently working on.
He explains how and why David Hamel's device works. There is also brief
stuff in the book about Hamel's alien contacts. You know. Like angels. I had
a hard time dealing with that in what appears to be a hard physics
presentation. It actually made me cringe. Yes, I am on also the Hameltech
list and on ufo lists because I believe there is *overwhelming* evidence of
aliens around us if we just open our eyes long enough to read about it, but
I always personally "compartmentalize" the two subjects. I realize it's very
important to leave no stone unturned and always try to keep an open mind.
Frustrating sometimes, but important, and so I once visited David Hamel
myself, and I have seen his *ship*. He's quite a personable and interesting
older gentleman. I had to overcome my own personal biases because I have
seen the close similarities between Hamel's design with several other
claims, yet strangely enough David Hamel has *no* physics to speak of, no
science library, and he is also *not* connected to the Internet, and so we
are left scratching our heads about his *source*.
Anyway back to the book. It's jam-packed with ideas and math and physics
that appear from my perspective to be consistently supporting his theory,
and interestingly I am also aware of a couple of other antigravity claims
that he did *not* mention that also tend to support his theories.
For US $49.00 I would say it's a good deal even if you are only an armchair
theorist of "how those *devices* might work". This book is rich with ideas.
Considering the amount of work (and paper) that he's put into it, and I
don't think his return will be that great.
There are several experiments to try. If it turns out that he is correct,
that fifty bucks will be the steal of a lifetime but the book then just
*might* get suppressed. His brief mentioning of aliens in the book however
guarantees that the mainstream will never accept his physics. I believe that
he designed his book mainly for folks just like us. We, the experimenters
and the members of these kinds of lists.
If you can get over the brief alien portion mixed right in with the hard
physics then I would recommend that you read this book, yet it's still a
gamble isn't it, because this book only *might* have a very great value. If
he is correct however, a Nobel Prize just wouldn't be good enough.
Happy experimenting :-)
Best Regards,
Colin Quinney
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Hey Colin, are you richard crandall's sales agent or what ? I was
not aware that 'hameltech' is a forum to sell or promote other
people's books.
-Rainbird-
seekerwise26@... Said:
>Hey Colin, are you Richard Crandall's sales agent or what ? I was
> not aware that 'hameltech' is a forum to sell or promote other
> people's books.
>
> -Rainbird-
Is Crandall correct? I don't know. I am unbiased. If you are on this list
though, that means you are interested in Hameltech. Books relating to Hamel
are very much on topic here, and I swear that I have absolutely *no*
relationship to Crandall or his publisher. I have provided this
**independent** book review as a service, just as I have previously given a
small donation to Hamel's construction costs, just as a service. A small
price to pay from me, considering the amount of money and effort and time
that many others have put into developing Hamel technology from some other
members on this list. Crandall not only analyses the Hamel technology in
great detail but he also publishes some fascinating excerpts from Hamel Web
Sites that are now extinct- and cannot even be found on the archives of the
waybackmachine. By finding the common factors of other antigravity devices
and using David Hamel as the key ingredient in that process, Crandall may
have done the development of Hamel technology a great service and may turn
some previous biases about Hamel from negative to positive. Fortunately the
designs he published to prove or disprove his theory are relatively easy to
build.
BTW, my normal mode of inquiry toward antigravity devices is always one of
open minded scientific scepticism. This simply means that I do not accept on
face value that a report is true unless it has been independently replicated
or *proven* in some other fashion, such as good video or film records, or if
I can see it with my own eyes. Until then, I remain relatively unbiased,
neither believing nor unbelieving. Since replications of these complex
disparate devices are still practically non-existent (except *possibly* the
Roshin/Godin experimental replication of Searl's SEG report, and with
several reports of replications of the Hamel 3-CD's), what Crandall has done
instead is to look at most of the main antigravity reports and analyse them
from the perspective of his own theory- that is- the common factors relating
to same, and then he simplifies it. Gravitomagnetism is not something that
he made up. It is predicted by Einstein and many others and it has been
observed in some labs. I myself am preparing to do a gravitomagnetic
experiment even before reading the book. (To learn more, do a Goggle
search.)
BTW- the Gravity- B satellite is scheduled to measure the gravitomagnetic
field created by the spin of the earth. It was scheduled for launch in April
of this year, but the recent shuttle disaster may have postponed it since I
have yet to see a record of it's launch.
Best Regards,
Colin
Sell??? I did not see where he is selling
anything... I just saw where he gave his opinion
on a book he just read... Nothing wrong with
that... In fact I would say it's right on topic
as the book also contains info about hamel
tech...
I have not read the book...
But may???
Timothy...
--- dreamofgod2002 <seekerwise26@...>
wrote:
> Hey Colin, are you richard crandall's sales
> agent or what ? I was
> not aware that 'hameltech' is a forum to sell
> or promote other
> people's books.
>
> -Rainbird-
>
>
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Dear Rainbird,
Sorry but I could not seem to find your real name Rainbird, so even though I
do not understand the reason for your yahoo-anonymity, if that is your wish-
so be it.
The greatest thing about the scientific method Rainbird is that we can use
it to test Crandall's or Hamel's theories and we do not need to rely on
anyone's opinion, even including yours, no matter how much we respect you,
or revere your source. The essence of the scientific method is to maintain a
"neutrality" until a proof is offered, and even then this is no guarantee
that the discoverer has the theory correct. Usually proof comes from: what
does it predict? Build it. Does it work? Yes? Then independent replications.
There have been several replications of the 3-CD device, and this indicates
that Hamel may be on the correct track, but now "some of us" may also wish
to see if Crandall is also correct by building his simpler devices. Maybe
both of them are correct, like the descriptions of "reality" by blind men
feeling different parts of an elephant. But if you call yourself a seeker of
scientific truth you must keep an open mind.
I remain, totally neutral..
Colin Quinney
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From: "dreamofgod2002" <seekerwise26@...>
To: <hameltech@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 2:56 PM
Subject: [hameltech] Re: "They All Told the Truth: The Antigravity Papers"
Book Review
> Are you guys not 'AWARE' that David Hamel himself rejected this
> xrickcrandallx stuff ?
>
> -Rainbird-
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Since this guy rickcrandall is trying to sell and promote his book
about David Hamel and the others on Hameltech, with some of you
buying into it- then the next question would be...is xrickx giving
any proceeds of the sale of his book to David Hamel and the others he
is apparently writting about ? hmmm...I wonder.
-Rainbird- This IS my REAL name, straight from the Creator himself.
Also- Why, and when did David reject Crandall's theory? Crandall totally
*supports* Hamel's theory. Crandall just uses standard scientific
terminology to identify the various terminologies or symbolic formula that
David gave us. This is not unusual. For instance, even within standard
physics, the gravitomagnetic field is called by various names depending on
the various researchers or authors: Spin field. Torsion field. Lens Thirring
effect. Kinemassic field. David calls it Kryptonique. (Different names for
the same elephant.)
Colin
<snip>Usually proof comes from: what
> does it predict? Build it. Does it work? Yes? Then independent
replications.
> There have been several replications of the 3-CD device, and this
indicates
> that Hamel may be on the correct track, but now "some of us" may also wish
> to see if Crandall is also correct by building his simpler devices. Maybe
> both of them are correct, like the descriptions of "reality" by blind men
> feeling different parts of an elephant. But if you call yourself a seeker
of
> scientific truth you must keep an open mind.
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Dear Rainbird,
Sorry about that regarding your name Rainbird. I do apologise.. very much.
It's not a question of "buying into it", as you so delicately put it.
Crandall is a scientist. His theory goes far beyond Hamel. It includes some
of the greatest experimental and theoretical physicists going back for
hundreds of years. Newton, Einstein, etc. Scientific progress is built on
the shoulders of those who came before. Recently however, he includes
Podkletnov, Searl, Roshin, Godin, Wallace, TT Brown, & Hamel. Why should he
donate anything to any of them. He gives them the credit they deserve as the
pioneers, and that is as it should be. Are you so afraid of Crandall? I hope
you are not one of those persons that Bill Beaty calls a "true believer". A
true believer is someone who "knows" the truth, and cannot be swayed from
his position by any amount, no matter what other information is presented to
them. They are on the opposite side of the coin of the diehard sceptics and
they muddy the waters equally.
Please try to understand the meaning of neutrality. I will not weep if
either Hamel or Crandall are wrong. But I do "hope" that at least "one" of
them is right :-)
Be well.
Colin
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From: "dreamofgod2002" <seekerwise26@...>
To: <hameltech@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 4:55 PM
Subject: [hameltech] Re: "They All Told the Truth: The Antigravity Papers"
Book Review
> Since this guy rickcrandall is trying to sell and promote his book
> about David Hamel and the others on Hameltech, with some of you
> buying into it- then the next question would be...is xrickx giving
> any proceeds of the sale of his book to David Hamel and the others he
> is apparently writting about ? hmmm...I wonder.
>
> -Rainbird- This IS my REAL name, straight from the Creator himself.
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I SEEK the TRUTH out and EXPOSE the deception that I see out there,
Plain and Simple.
And if you really want to know why David Hamel rejected rickcrandall,
ask David Hamel himself.
-Rainbird-
David Hamel is a very religious and spiritually guided man
who's 'Task from God' is not up for sale to anybody, but to benefit
those that have a Pure Heart, nor should anyone else selfishly profit
from what he shares so freely with everyone else.
-Rainbird-
This is becoming ridiculous. The section on David Hamel (judging by the table of
contents, as I have not yet read it--it is third on my list of rather lengthy
books) is
only 27 pages--5 of which are Crandall's analysis of Hamel's Technology. This
book
is HUGE! I did not count how many there are (they are not numbered
conventionally),
but 27 is a VERY SMALL percentage. Richard Crandall is clearly not "selfishly
profiting"
from this. Quite honestly, I look forward to reading his insights. Let's move
on. . .
Please!
- Bill
--- In hameltech@yahoogroups.com, "dreamofgod2002" <seekerwise26@y...> wrote:
> David Hamel is a very religious and spiritually guided man
> who's 'Task from God' is not up for sale to anybody, but to benefit
> those that have a Pure Heart, nor should anyone else selfishly profit
> from what he shares so freely with everyone else.
>
> -Rainbird-
I guess what Rainbird is trying to say is trying to say is that if you respect the work of David Hamel you should respect the man as well. We have seen too many people come and take from Mr Hamel's work and return nothing to help him with his struggle to complete his monumental task with his invalid wife. Just because David is an open and sharing person does not mean people should pick over his work like a bunch of vultures. If you believe David Hamil's technology is real then you must understand that his spiritual message might have some meaning as well. Rainbird is a very dear friend of Mr Hamel's and just wish's to protect his interest. There is no need for further name calling or other hostilities. Scientific investigations is a noble endeavor and is what I am all about but without compassion it is worthless.
Sal Garza <Salazar@...> wrote:
hey there,
thanx for the review........
always appreciate new info on anti-grav research......
hey birdbrain,,,,you some self proclaimed protector of postings on hameltech?.........
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Agreed. I have met David and Nora also, and my heart went out to her. Rest assured Crandall is not stealing David's work. In fact if anything he is in my opinion drawing more people to him, since he had the courage to reference David's design and to explain how David's information came from an unearthly source.
And- after all is said and done, Richard Crandall may be wrong in his explanations and his own cone designs and David Hamel be correct. Yet Crandall's tome is much more than his referencing other people's antigravity designs. He only did that to show some "common factors" in each design, and I strongly feel that the more information that I have, the better, even if *some* of it is wrong.
I guess what Rainbird is trying to say is trying to say is that if you respect the work of David Hamel you should respect the man as well. We have seen too many people come and take from Mr Hamel's work and return nothing to help him with his struggle to complete his monumental task with his invalid wife. Just because David is an open and sharing person does not mean people should pick over his work like a bunch of vultures. If you believe David Hamil's technology is real then you must understand that his spiritual message might have some meaning as well. Rainbird is a very dear friend of Mr Hamel's and just wish's to protect his interest. There is no need for further name calling or other hostilities. Scientific investigations is a noble endeavor and is what I am all about but without compassion it is worthless.
Sal Garza <Salazar@...> wrote:
hey there,
thanx for the review........
always appreciate new info on anti-grav research......
hey birdbrain,,,,you some self proclaimed protector of postings on hameltech?.........
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To: <hameltech@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 9:35 PM
Subject: [hameltech] Re: 11113: Mr Hamel Reports
Theory and buliding
I,ve been around for about 3-4 years , silent most of the time but watch
your E-Mails.
I have built a 45gal and a mini with some success but not to a plasma .As a
result I started looking for anwers with the first one, what is this energy
that we are trying get to?
Plasma what is it?
What is the connection?
How do we get there?
The means to getting there has been done by David Hamel, Victor Shauberger
,magneticenergy.com,keely and others so I thought if it takes the rest of my
life I,ll study them all until I find the answers.Being 58 it won,t be that
long.
The answers are, almost, if you know one it will answer all the others.
Magnetism seems to be the link,all say and dealt with magnetism and say that
electricity -it is not.
there seems to be a connecting phase and all seem to talk about vortexes.
All seem to talk about Ions and associate the vortex and magnetism with
them.
now we have the first problem,that being everyone says ,ok ,link electricity
and you have Ions!But they tell us that electricity is not a part of this
system ,it is magnetic.
So I,m looking for a way to create Ions without electrical connections.
What I found was that if you do the same basic thing with Dia-magnetic
material,Cooper,Aliuminum,brass ect. that you create Ions from that magnetic
state.Many parmagnetic metals are also dia-magnetic.
the next important thing then is concentrating those Ions and in doing so
connect to the Ionasphere as David has said we must do.This brings into
being a need to cerate a transport system so we can make that
connection.Vortexes do that very thing.Magneticenergy.com and Shauberger
have said if you want magnetic energy to flow you must create a vortex.
now we have a vortex ,Ions ,magnetsim without electricity and the
means{45gal or mini device] to build that Ionic field.
If It was just Ion concentration we would now have a plasma but that does
not happen as many of us have found out.SO whats the problem, What kind of
vibration is needed by the cones ? A vortex movement by the cones is the
connecting link that many of us have missed.Vibration we got but the fact
that the cones themselves have to rotate in a vortex that will create a
double heloid circle to the air. This helix will pull the Ions into a
conglameration called magnetrons or gruops of Ions that will create a sort
of road or pathway between the Ionasphere and the device. Without the vortex
the conglameration does not build enough to create a plasma and all we get
is a static Ionic field.This conglameration of Ions is sucked into the
device by the vortex and at the same time creates the magnetic flow between
them.
If what I say is true then Science has ether made a big mistake or is
covering up the way to build a praadise on earth.The problem is that our
whole world is built on a system that is taking us to our final days as we
know them on earth.The Bible and all history in one way or another is
telling us this.I,m not saying to fight the governments of the world ,time
is to short even if that time is hundred years which I believe is more like
10 years.
Victor Shauburger has said that Science has it all wrong and if you do the
opposite we will have success. This is because Science has looked only to
the pressure system and ignored the vortexial ,sucksion ,system.He says that
nature uses both the vortexial sucksion to create and the pressure system to
break things down.
Magnetism Creates sucktion or levitation and the electrical system creates
gravitaion or pressure systems.SO if we try to create through a normal
pressure system we cannot make the connection necessary.
The law of concervation does not aplly to a vortex system and actually works
in reverse which will increase with the intial rotation instead of
increaseing the friction.This is because of the double helex which creates a
cooling rebuilding structure that eliminates the friction of pressure.
When air or water are turned in a vortexial heloid there is a double
flow,one going inward and the other outward.One flow in and the other
out.The outer flow insulates the inner and reduces friction and temperature.
As a result these devices will have a hot on one side and a cool on the
other.If the concentration of heat is capsured on the inside of the device
you have a heater that will gravitate, and if the cold is on the inside of
the device you have levitation.
comments welcome?
Robert [Bob] Naysmith @rbn1221@...
Hello Bob! Thanks for the intelligent posting, focused on the work at
hand; understanding and applying Hamel technology. Good luck with
your projects.
Regards,
Kenitch
. I have also- In hameltech@yahoogroups.com, "rbn1221" <rbn1221@n...>
wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Time02112@s...>
> To: <hameltech@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 9:35 PM
> Subject: [hameltech] Re: 11113: Mr Hamel Reports
>
> Theory and buliding
> I,ve been around for about 3-4 years , silent most of the time but
watch
> your E-Mails.
> I have built a 45gal and a mini with some success but not to a
plasma .As a
> result I started looking for anwers with the first one, what is
this energy
> that we are trying get to?
> Plasma what is it?
> What is the connection?
> How do we get there?
> The means to getting there has been done by David Hamel, Victor
Shauberger
> ,magneticenergy.com,keely and others so I thought if it takes the
rest of my
> life I,ll study them all until I find the answers.Being 58 it won,t
be that
> long.
> The answers are, almost, if you know one it will answer all the
others.
> Magnetism seems to be the link,all say and dealt with magnetism and
say that
> electricity -it is not.
> there seems to be a connecting phase and all seem to talk about
vortexes.
> All seem to talk about Ions and associate the vortex and magnetism
with
> them.
> now we have the first problem,that being everyone says ,ok ,link
electricity
> and you have Ions!But they tell us that electricity is not a part
of this
> system ,it is magnetic.
> So I,m looking for a way to create Ions without electrical
connections.
> What I found was that if you do the same basic thing with Dia-
magnetic
> material,Cooper,Aliuminum,brass ect. that you create Ions from that
magnetic
> state.Many parmagnetic metals are also dia-magnetic.
> the next important thing then is concentrating those Ions and in
doing so
> connect to the Ionasphere as David has said we must do.This brings
into
> being a need to cerate a transport system so we can make that
> connection.Vortexes do that very thing.Magneticenergy.com and
Shauberger
> have said if you want magnetic energy to flow you must create a
vortex.
> now we have a vortex ,Ions ,magnetsim without electricity and the
> means{45gal or mini device] to build that Ionic field.
> If It was just Ion concentration we would now have a plasma but
that does
> not happen as many of us have found out.SO whats the problem, What
kind of
> vibration is needed by the cones ? A vortex movement by the cones
is the
> connecting link that many of us have missed.Vibration we got but
the fact
> that the cones themselves have to rotate in a vortex that will
create a
> double heloid circle to the air. This helix will pull the Ions into
a
> conglameration called magnetrons or gruops of Ions that will create
a sort
> of road or pathway between the Ionasphere and the device. Without
the vortex
> the conglameration does not build enough to create a plasma and all
we get
> is a static Ionic field.This conglameration of Ions is sucked into
the
> device by the vortex and at the same time creates the magnetic
flow between
> them.
> If what I say is true then Science has ether made a big mistake or
is
> covering up the way to build a praadise on earth.The problem is
that our
> whole world is built on a system that is taking us to our final
days as we
> know them on earth.The Bible and all history in one way or another
is
> telling us this.I,m not saying to fight the governments of the
world ,time
> is to short even if that time is hundred years which I believe is
more like
> 10 years.
> Victor Shauburger has said that Science has it all wrong and if you
do the
> opposite we will have success. This is because Science has looked
only to
> the pressure system and ignored the vortexial ,sucksion ,system.He
says that
> nature uses both the vortexial sucksion to create and the pressure
system to
> break things down.
> Magnetism Creates sucktion or levitation and the electrical system
creates
> gravitaion or pressure systems.SO if we try to create through a
normal
> pressure system we cannot make the connection necessary.
> The law of concervation does not aplly to a vortex system and
actually works
> in reverse which will increase with the intial rotation instead of
> increaseing the friction.This is because of the double helex which
creates a
> cooling rebuilding structure that eliminates the friction of
pressure.
> When air or water are turned in a vortexial heloid there is a double
> flow,one going inward and the other outward.One flow in and the
other
> out.The outer flow insulates the inner and reduces friction and
temperature.
> As a result these devices will have a hot on one side and a cool on
the
> other.If the concentration of heat is capsured on the inside of
the device
> you have a heater that will gravitate, and if the cold is on the
inside of
> the device you have levitation.
> comments welcome?
> Robert [Bob] Naysmith @rbn1221@n...
Hi Bob and everyone,
Thanks for sharing your knowdledge, I am sure that all
together will success!!
I am new on this but I want to help us to develop the
antigravity device, I have good analitical skills and
I am researching from the begining, understanding the
forces and the concept "from nothing" as david. I
think that the problem (or the un-success) for
everybody would be the measurements and/or the
relation between measurements in the parts of the
device. David hamel says that the isotope line of
energy it's built by itself in a bowl with water, so I
was made an analysis about that. If the drawing of the
"Isotope Line of Energy" (the 9 halfs of the sides of
the piramys) was not a drawing in 2 dimensions....,
may be in 3D, so the spyral line (as a "G") it convert
to a physical 3D form like an "S" with their own
measurements and relations between it's measurements.
I am working with that model (9 half sides of the
pyramids) in 3D to discover what is the way that the
"heart" of the device has to have.
I hope that you Could please explaining to me the
success that you had with the 45gal?
What are you expecting for?
I am looking in the drawings some directions but also
I am looking in another paralel documents. I beleave
that in almost each very old document about this has
some clues, but no one has the puzzle complete.
Thanks in advance for your comments, and I would like
to help us to have success in your experiment because
that's will help me also.
Best Regards, Gerardo.
gmplascenciamx@...
--- rbn1221 <rbn1221@...> escribió:
---------------------------------
----- Original Message -----
From: <Time02112@...>
To: <hameltech@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 9:35 PM
Subject: [hameltech] Re: 11113: Mr Hamel Reports
Theory and buliding
I,ve been around for about 3-4 years , silent most of
the time but watch
your E-Mails.
I have built a 45gal and a mini with some success but
not to a plasma .As a
result I started looking for anwers with the first
one, what is this energy
that we are trying get to?
Plasma what is it?
What is the connection?
How do we get there?
The means to getting there has been done by David
Hamel, Victor Shauberger
,magneticenergy.com,keely and others so I thought if
it takes the rest of my
life I,ll study them all until I find the
answers.Being 58 it won,t be that
long.
The answers are, almost, if you know one it will
answer all the others.
Magnetism seems to be the link,all say and dealt with
magnetism and say that
electricity -it is not.
there seems to be a connecting phase and all seem to
talk about vortexes.
All seem to talk about Ions and associate the vortex
and magnetism with
them.
now we have the first problem,that being everyone says
,ok ,link electricity
and you have Ions!But they tell us that electricity is
not a part of this
system ,it is magnetic.
So I,m looking for a way to create Ions without
electrical connections.
What I found was that if you do the same basic thing
with Dia-magnetic
material,Cooper,Aliuminum,brass ect. that you create
Ions from that magnetic
state.Many parmagnetic metals are also dia-magnetic.
the next important thing then is concentrating those
Ions and in doing so
connect to the Ionasphere as David has said we must
do.This brings into
being a need to cerate a transport system so we can
make that
connection.Vortexes do that very
thing.Magneticenergy.com and Shauberger
have said if you want magnetic energy to flow you must
create a vortex.
now we have a vortex ,Ions ,magnetsim without
electricity and the
means{45gal or mini device] to build that Ionic field.
If It was just Ion concentration we would now have a
plasma but that does
not happen as many of us have found out.SO whats the
problem, What kind of
vibration is needed by the cones ? A vortex movement
by the cones is the
connecting link that many of us have missed.Vibration
we got but the fact
that the cones themselves have to rotate in a vortex
that will create a
double heloid circle to the air. This helix will pull
the Ions into a
conglameration called magnetrons or gruops of Ions
that will create a sort
of road or pathway between the Ionasphere and the
device. Without the vortex
the conglameration does not build enough to create a
plasma and all we get
is a static Ionic field.This conglameration of Ions is
sucked into the
device by the vortex and at the same time creates the
magnetic flow between
them.
If what I say is true then Science has ether made a
big mistake or is
covering up the way to build a praadise on earth.The
problem is that our
whole world is built on a system that is taking us to
our final days as we
know them on earth.The Bible and all history in one
way or another is
telling us this.I,m not saying to fight the
governments of the world ,time
is to short even if that time is hundred years which I
believe is more like
10 years.
Victor Shauburger has said that Science has it all
wrong and if you do the
opposite we will have success. This is because Science
has looked only to
the pressure system and ignored the vortexial
,sucksion ,system.He says that
nature uses both the vortexial sucksion to create and
the pressure system to
break things down.
Magnetism Creates sucktion or levitation and the
electrical system creates
gravitaion or pressure systems.SO if we try to create
through a normal
pressure system we cannot make the connection
necessary.
The law of concervation does not aplly to a vortex
system and actually works
in reverse which will increase with the intial
rotation instead of
increaseing the friction.This is because of the double
helex which creates a
cooling rebuilding structure that eliminates the
friction of pressure.
When air or water are turned in a vortexial heloid
there is a double
flow,one going inward and the other outward.One flow
in and the other
out.The outer flow insulates the inner and reduces
friction and temperature.
As a result these devices will have a hot on one side
and a cool on the
other.If the concentration of heat is capsured on the
inside of the device
you have a heater that will gravitate, and if the cold
is on the inside of
the device you have levitation.
comments welcome?
Robert [Bob] Naysmith @rbn1221@...
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Just wanted to know if anyone else is having this
happen.
Every night, almost every time at 10:08 pm Pacific
Time, our phone clicks like some on elifted up the
receiver on another lin ein the house. I have a cheap
($9.99) corded phone in my office and it happens every
night.
Does this happen to anyone else? If so, what is it?
Thanks.
Steve O.
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Well here in Ca My phone does a 1/8 ring every
other night at 12:13AM... this is a real pain...
called the phone company and they tell me the
computer checks every line every day or two for
problems and they can do nothing... they
suggested that I change phones offering to rent
me one of theirs... LOL
Rrrrrright...
But I can feel for you...
You do know that every phone conversation is
recorded now days... every email and everything
going out over the phone lines as well...
there was a trial in LA between one man and the
IRS about his phone use... they pulled up the
last ten years worth of phone calls he had made
for evidence... this was in 1988!!!
Big brother is watching...
Timothy...
--- Steven Ontiveros <steven_ontiveros@...>
wrote:
> Just wanted to know if anyone else is having
> this
> happen.
> Every night, almost every time at 10:08 pm
> Pacific
> Time, our phone clicks like some on elifted up
> the
> receiver on another lin ein the house. I have a
> cheap
> ($9.99) corded phone in my office and it
> happens every
> night.
> Does this happen to anyone else? If so, what is
> it?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Steve O.
>
>
> __________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with
> sync to Outlook(TM).
> http://calendar.yahoo.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerardo Marin" <gmplascenciamx@...>
To: <hameltech@yahoogroups.com>; <rbn1221@...>
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [hameltech] Re: some info for buliders
> Hi Bob and everyone,
>
> Thanks for sharing your knowdledge, I am sure that all
> together will success!!
>
> I am new on this but I want to help us to develop the
> antigravity device, I have good analitical skills and
> I am researching from the begining, understanding the
> forces and the concept "from nothing" as david. I
> think that the problem (or the un-success) for
> everybody would be the measurements and/or the
> relation between measurements in the parts of the
> device. David hamel says that the isotope line of
> energy it's built by itself in a bowl with water, so I
> was made an analysis about that. If the drawing of the
> "Isotope Line of Energy" (the 9 halfs of the sides of
> the piramys) was not a drawing in 2 dimensions....,
> may be in 3D, so the spyral line (as a "G") it convert
> to a physical 3D form like an "S" with their own
> measurements and relations between it's measurements.
> I am working with that model (9 half sides of the
> pyramids) in 3D to discover what is the way that the
> "heart" of the device has to have.
>
> I hope that you Could please explaining to me the
> success that you had with the 45gal?
> What are you expecting for?
>
> I am looking in the drawings some directions but also
> I am looking in another paralel documents. I beleave
> that in almost each very old document about this has
> some clues, but no one has the puzzle complete.
>
> Thanks in advance for your comments, and I would like
> to help us to have success in your experiment because
> that's will help me also.
>
> Best Regards, Gerardo.
> gmplascenciamx@...
>
>
>HI Gerardo and all
I don.t know about the nine halfs of a pyarmid,is this something you heard
of from Mr. Hamel? Although it is interesting that you came up with an s
from a g ,the s being connected with the magnetic field between the cones
and the rings of a device.
If you look at spirialing water you might notice that it will create an s
in its vortexial movement in a diagonal direction much the same way David
explains the way the s forms between properly set magnets which are also
diagonal from each other.
Water will self organize under the right conditions, as will air, but must
have the right space to do so.There is an inteligence in water that if
unhampered by humans developes rivers and streams that create the s pattern
which will ionanize to stay healthy, it uses the rocks and menierals to
produce that Ionazation. If we could see the s between the magnets in a 3
demsional state I,ll bet that it would be vortexial or twisted and help us
to see the importance of vortexes.
If each cone rotates in its own vortexial movement and the three cones also
rotate in their respective vortex, would that not create an Isatopic line
like David tells us is needed ? This would keep the center of gravity off
balance at all times .It would also create the link to the Ionasphere to
build magnetrons and plasma.
Some times I feel others on other planets would respond to me with " da ya
thats taught in grade school here.Yet It seems hard at times to make those
connections.
AS far as my success with the 45gal device,I reached a point at one time
where I had lines in the tv [three sets] that went briefly to complete
static of the screen and then back to the three sets of lines again which
shows my I was getting a far amount of Ionazation from the device.But that
is the best I came up with , I also measured with an ohm meter and produced
around 450ma on the ac side.These devices will produce only small amounts
current from the electrical side and are a by product of no interest to me.
Reading Victor Shauberger book Energy Evolution has got me thinking about
the use of ecletrical to maybe help control a spinig vortex if he is right
about magnetism being livitateing and electrical being gravitism.
What I expect from this is to help this planet to make a reverse direction
of thinking an know all can have the basics of life which is food, shelter
,and clothing plus transportation and health , that there is no reason that
many die each day here because of the gread that manifest on this planet .By
using as pressure system the way we do on earth, we use only half of that
which mother nature uses,the half that decomposes, as a result we are
decomposeing the air we breathe and poluting the water we
drink.We need to desperately learn the other half of mother natures skill of
creating which will rebuild the earth and all it ocupants.If we could see
the creative side ,then we could also see that our health and body works
exactly the same way.
Knowing how the body works will also put us on other planets in the blinking
of an eye.It will also help us to uderstand we all
are one.We are much the same to God as each cell is to our body because one
cell will function for degestion and another to absorb oxygen from the air
but are still a part of the body an one without the other could not be.
rbn1221@...
Bob,
Like the way you are thinking here. Schauberger seems to be helpful in
understanding Hamel. I agree that a working device will heat/cool and this
will lead to a gravity effect.
I wouldn't worry about being 58, that still gives you 20 years of hard graft
at least.
Can I ask about your successes? ring/cone gap size, magnets used, did the
devices operate continually either independantly or with a motor, did they
have an inner cone, if so at half height or other, did you ever weight it
while it was working. Any pointers to design would be useful, there are
plenty of people on this group who would like to have your level of success,
and many working away without it. All the same, sorry to grill you.
Regards
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "rbn1221" <rbn1221@...>
To: <hameltech@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 3:20 AM
Subject: [hameltech] Re: some info for buliders
> Theory and buliding
> I,ve been around for about 3-4 years , silent most of the time but watch
> your E-Mails.
> I have built a 45gal and a mini with some success but not to a plasma .As
a
> result I started looking for anwers with the first one, what is this
energy
> that we are trying get to?
> Plasma what is it?
> What is the connection?
> How do we get there?
> The means to getting there has been done by David Hamel, Victor Shauberger
> ,magneticenergy.com,keely and others so I thought if it takes the rest of
my
> life I,ll study them all until I find the answers.Being 58 it won,t be
that
> long.
> The answers are, almost, if you know one it will answer all the others.
> Magnetism seems to be the link,all say and dealt with magnetism and say
that
> electricity -it is not.
> there seems to be a connecting phase and all seem to talk about vortexes.
> All seem to talk about Ions and associate the vortex and magnetism with
> them.
> now we have the first problem,that being everyone says ,ok ,link
electricity
> and you have Ions!But they tell us that electricity is not a part of this
> system ,it is magnetic.
> So I,m looking for a way to create Ions without electrical connections.
> What I found was that if you do the same basic thing with Dia-magnetic
> material,Cooper,Aliuminum,brass ect. that you create Ions from that
magnetic
> state.Many parmagnetic metals are also dia-magnetic.
> the next important thing then is concentrating those Ions and in doing so
> connect to the Ionasphere as David has said we must do.This brings into
> being a need to cerate a transport system so we can make that
> connection.Vortexes do that very thing.Magneticenergy.com and Shauberger
> have said if you want magnetic energy to flow you must create a vortex.
> now we have a vortex ,Ions ,magnetsim without electricity and the
> means{45gal or mini device] to build that Ionic field.
> If It was just Ion concentration we would now have a plasma but that does
> not happen as many of us have found out.SO whats the problem, What kind of
> vibration is needed by the cones ? A vortex movement by the cones is the
> connecting link that many of us have missed.Vibration we got but the fact
> that the cones themselves have to rotate in a vortex that will create a
> double heloid circle to the air. This helix will pull the Ions into a
> conglameration called magnetrons or gruops of Ions that will create a sort
> of road or pathway between the Ionasphere and the device. Without the
vortex
> the conglameration does not build enough to create a plasma and all we get
> is a static Ionic field.This conglameration of Ions is sucked into the
> device by the vortex and at the same time creates the magnetic flow
between
> them.
> If what I say is true then Science has ether made a big mistake or is
> covering up the way to build a praadise on earth.The problem is that our
> whole world is built on a system that is taking us to our final days as we
> know them on earth.The Bible and all history in one way or another is
> telling us this.I,m not saying to fight the governments of the world ,time
> is to short even if that time is hundred years which I believe is more
like
> 10 years.
> Victor Shauburger has said that Science has it all wrong and if you do the
> opposite we will have success. This is because Science has looked only to
> the pressure system and ignored the vortexial ,sucksion ,system.He says
that
> nature uses both the vortexial sucksion to create and the pressure system
to
> break things down.
> Magnetism Creates sucktion or levitation and the electrical system
creates
> gravitaion or pressure systems.SO if we try to create through a normal
> pressure system we cannot make the connection necessary.
> The law of concervation does not aplly to a vortex system and actually
works
> in reverse which will increase with the intial rotation instead of
> increaseing the friction.This is because of the double helex which creates
a
> cooling rebuilding structure that eliminates the friction of pressure.
> When air or water are turned in a vortexial heloid there is a double
> flow,one going inward and the other outward.One flow in and the other
> out.The outer flow insulates the inner and reduces friction and
temperature.
> As a result these devices will have a hot on one side and a cool on the
> other.If the concentration of heat is capsured on the inside of the
device
> you have a heater that will gravitate, and if the cold is on the inside of
> the device you have levitation.
> comments welcome?
> Robert [Bob] Naysmith @rbn1221@...
>
>
>
> Header Codes
> 11111: Theory, untested Hamel ideas
> 11112: Building and balancing, progress
> 11113: David Hamel reports
> 11114: Non-hamel mysteries and energies
> OT: "Off Topic"
>
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>
>
Hi John Hows England this time of year? Any cropcircles nearby?
And Bob,,,,, where in this world are you? { geographical}.
Mac.
--- In hameltech@yahoogroups.com, "john pasley" <john@j...> wrote:
> Bob,
>
> Like the way you are thinking here. Schauberger seems to be
helpful in
> understanding Hamel. I agree that a working device will heat/cool
and this
> will lead to a gravity effect.
>
> I wouldn't worry about being 58, that still gives you 20 years of
hard graft
> at least.
>
> Can I ask about your successes? ring/cone gap size, magnets used,
did the
> devices operate continually either independantly or with a motor,
did they
> have an inner cone, if so at half height or other, did you ever
weight it
> while it was working. Any pointers to design would be useful,
there are
> plenty of people on this group who would like to have your level
of success,
> and many working away without it. All the same, sorry to grill you.
>
> Regards
>
> John
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "rbn1221" <rbn1221@n...>
> To: <hameltech@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 3:20 AM
> Subject: [hameltech] Re: some info for buliders
>
> > Theory and buliding
> > I,ve been around for about 3-4 years , silent most of the time
but watch
> > your E-Mails.
> > I have built a 45gal and a mini with some success but not to a
plasma .As
> a
> > result I started looking for anwers with the first one, what is
this
> energy
> > that we are trying get to?
> > Plasma what is it?
> > What is the connection?
> > How do we get there?
> > The means to getting there has been done by David Hamel, Victor
Shauberger
> > ,magneticenergy.com,keely and others so I thought if it takes
the rest of
> my
> > life I,ll study them all until I find the answers.Being 58 it
won,t be
> that
> > long.
> > The answers are, almost, if you know one it will answer all the
others.
> > Magnetism seems to be the link,all say and dealt with magnetism
and say
> that
> > electricity -it is not.
> > there seems to be a connecting phase and all seem to talk about
vortexes.
> > All seem to talk about Ions and associate the vortex and
magnetism with
> > them.
> > now we have the first problem,that being everyone says ,ok ,link
> electricity
> > and you have Ions!But they tell us that electricity is not a
part of this
> > system ,it is magnetic.
> > So I,m looking for a way to create Ions without electrical
connections.
> > What I found was that if you do the same basic thing with Dia-
magnetic
> > material,Cooper,Aliuminum,brass ect. that you create Ions from
that
> magnetic
> > state.Many parmagnetic metals are also dia-magnetic.
> > the next important thing then is concentrating those Ions and in
doing so
> > connect to the Ionasphere as David has said we must do.This
brings into
> > being a need to cerate a transport system so we can make that
> > connection.Vortexes do that very thing.Magneticenergy.com and
Shauberger
> > have said if you want magnetic energy to flow you must create a
vortex.
> > now we have a vortex ,Ions ,magnetsim without electricity and the
> > means{45gal or mini device] to build that Ionic field.
> > If It was just Ion concentration we would now have a plasma but
that does
> > not happen as many of us have found out.SO whats the problem,
What kind of
> > vibration is needed by the cones ? A vortex movement by the
cones is the
> > connecting link that many of us have missed.Vibration we got but
the fact
> > that the cones themselves have to rotate in a vortex that will
create a
> > double heloid circle to the air. This helix will pull the Ions
into a
> > conglameration called magnetrons or gruops of Ions that will
create a sort
> > of road or pathway between the Ionasphere and the device.
Without the
> vortex
> > the conglameration does not build enough to create a plasma and
all we get
> > is a static Ionic field.This conglameration of Ions is sucked
into the
> > device by the vortex and at the same time creates the magnetic
flow
> between
> > them.
> > If what I say is true then Science has ether made a big mistake
or is
> > covering up the way to build a praadise on earth.The problem is
that our
> > whole world is built on a system that is taking us to our final
days as we
> > know them on earth.The Bible and all history in one way or
another is
> > telling us this.I,m not saying to fight the governments of the
world ,time
>
> > is to short even if that time is hundred years which I believe
is more
> like
> > 10 years.
> > Victor Shauburger has said that Science has it all wrong and if
you do the
> > opposite we will have success. This is because Science has
looked only to
> > the pressure system and ignored the
vortexial ,sucksion ,system.He says
> that
> > nature uses both the vortexial sucksion to create and the
pressure system
> to
> > break things down.
> > Magnetism Creates sucktion or levitation and the electrical
system
> creates
> > gravitaion or pressure systems.SO if we try to create through a
normal
> > pressure system we cannot make the connection necessary.
> > The law of concervation does not aplly to a vortex system and
actually
> works
> > in reverse which will increase with the intial rotation instead
of
> > increaseing the friction.This is because of the double helex
which creates
> a
> > cooling rebuilding structure that eliminates the friction of
pressure.
> > When air or water are turned in a vortexial heloid there is a
double
> > flow,one going inward and the other outward.One flow in and the
other
> > out.The outer flow insulates the inner and reduces friction and
> temperature.
> > As a result these devices will have a hot on one side and a cool
on the
> > other.If the concentration of heat is capsured on the inside of
the
> device
> > you have a heater that will gravitate, and if the cold is on the
inside of
> > the device you have levitation.
> > comments welcome?
> > Robert [Bob] Naysmith @rbn1221@n...
> >
> >
> >
> > Header Codes
> > 11111: Theory, untested Hamel ideas
> > 11112: Building and balancing, progress
> > 11113: David Hamel reports
> > 11114: Non-hamel mysteries and energies
> > OT: "Off Topic"
> >
> > Post message: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
> > Subscribe: hameltech-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
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http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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> >
Hello Mac,
Long time no see, hope you're well. We were at 30 C in April, now we're only
at 22 C, strange weather and not just here.
Crop formations have been very down in numbers this year so far, perhaps
they will pick up, one of interest to Hameltechies is
http://cropcircleconnector.com/2003/newmarkethill/newmarkethill2003a.html
I haven't visited any this year so cant tell which are genuine, but this
site has started giving more information such as this formation was lightly
made, a good sign it's genuine, broken stems are always a sure sign of a
forgery.
Have you joined your friend on his lake photography trips lately?
Hope you and yours are good.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "gumboots2u" <PDS@...>
To: <hameltech@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 3:03 PM
Subject: [hameltech] OT. Re: some info for buliders
> Hi John Hows England this time of year? Any cropcircles nearby?
> And Bob,,,,, where in this world are you? { geographical}.
>
> Mac.
>
>
>
> --- In hameltech@yahoogroups.com, "john pasley" <john@j...> wrote:
> > Bob,
> >
> > Like the way you are thinking here. Schauberger seems to be
> helpful in
> > understanding Hamel. I agree that a working device will heat/cool
> and this
> > will lead to a gravity effect.
> >
> > I wouldn't worry about being 58, that still gives you 20 years of
> hard graft
> > at least.
> >
> > Can I ask about your successes? ring/cone gap size, magnets used,
> did the
> > devices operate continually either independantly or with a motor,
> did they
> > have an inner cone, if so at half height or other, did you ever
> weight it
> > while it was working. Any pointers to design would be useful,
> there are
> > plenty of people on this group who would like to have your level
> of success,
> > and many working away without it. All the same, sorry to grill you.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > John
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "rbn1221" <rbn1221@n...>
> > To: <hameltech@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 3:20 AM
> > Subject: [hameltech] Re: some info for buliders
> >
> > > Theory and buliding
> > > I,ve been around for about 3-4 years , silent most of the time
> but watch
> > > your E-Mails.
> > > I have built a 45gal and a mini with some success but not to a
> plasma .As
> > a
> > > result I started looking for anwers with the first one, what is
> this
> > energy
> > > that we are trying get to?
> > > Plasma what is it?
> > > What is the connection?
> > > How do we get there?
> > > The means to getting there has been done by David Hamel, Victor
> Shauberger
> > > ,magneticenergy.com,keely and others so I thought if it takes
> the rest of
> > my
> > > life I,ll study them all until I find the answers.Being 58 it
> won,t be
> > that
> > > long.
> > > The answers are, almost, if you know one it will answer all the
> others.
> > > Magnetism seems to be the link,all say and dealt with magnetism
> and say
> > that
> > > electricity -it is not.
> > > there seems to be a connecting phase and all seem to talk about
> vortexes.
> > > All seem to talk about Ions and associate the vortex and
> magnetism with
> > > them.
> > > now we have the first problem,that being everyone says ,ok ,link
> > electricity
> > > and you have Ions!But they tell us that electricity is not a
> part of this
> > > system ,it is magnetic.
> > > So I,m looking for a way to create Ions without electrical
> connections.
> > > What I found was that if you do the same basic thing with Dia-
> magnetic
> > > material,Cooper,Aliuminum,brass ect. that you create Ions from
> that
> > magnetic
> > > state.Many parmagnetic metals are also dia-magnetic.
> > > the next important thing then is concentrating those Ions and in
> doing so
> > > connect to the Ionasphere as David has said we must do.This
> brings into
> > > being a need to cerate a transport system so we can make that
> > > connection.Vortexes do that very thing.Magneticenergy.com and
> Shauberger
> > > have said if you want magnetic energy to flow you must create a
> vortex.
> > > now we have a vortex ,Ions ,magnetsim without electricity and the
> > > means{45gal or mini device] to build that Ionic field.
> > > If It was just Ion concentration we would now have a plasma but
> that does
> > > not happen as many of us have found out.SO whats the problem,
> What kind of
> > > vibration is needed by the cones ? A vortex movement by the
> cones is the
> > > connecting link that many of us have missed.Vibration we got but
> the fact
> > > that the cones themselves have to rotate in a vortex that will
> create a
> > > double heloid circle to the air. This helix will pull the Ions
> into a
> > > conglameration called magnetrons or gruops of Ions that will
> create a sort
> > > of road or pathway between the Ionasphere and the device.
> Without the
> > vortex
> > > the conglameration does not build enough to create a plasma and
> all we get
> > > is a static Ionic field.This conglameration of Ions is sucked
> into the
> > > device by the vortex and at the same time creates the magnetic
> flow
> > between
> > > them.
> > > If what I say is true then Science has ether made a big mistake
> or is
> > > covering up the way to build a praadise on earth.The problem is
> that our
> > > whole world is built on a system that is taking us to our final
> days as we
> > > know them on earth.The Bible and all history in one way or
> another is
> > > telling us this.I,m not saying to fight the governments of the
> world ,time
> >
> > > is to short even if that time is hundred years which I believe
> is more
> > like
> > > 10 years.
> > > Victor Shauburger has said that Science has it all wrong and if
> you do the
> > > opposite we will have success. This is because Science has
> looked only to
> > > the pressure system and ignored the
> vortexial ,sucksion ,system.He says
> > that
> > > nature uses both the vortexial sucksion to create and the
> pressure system
> > to
> > > break things down.
> > > Magnetism Creates sucktion or levitation and the electrical
> system
> > creates
> > > gravitaion or pressure systems.SO if we try to create through a
> normal
> > > pressure system we cannot make the connection necessary.
> > > The law of concervation does not aplly to a vortex system and
> actually
> > works
> > > in reverse which will increase with the intial rotation instead
> of
> > > increaseing the friction.This is because of the double helex
> which creates
> > a
> > > cooling rebuilding structure that eliminates the friction of
> pressure.
> > > When air or water are turned in a vortexial heloid there is a
> double
> > > flow,one going inward and the other outward.One flow in and the
> other
> > > out.The outer flow insulates the inner and reduces friction and
> > temperature.
> > > As a result these devices will have a hot on one side and a cool
> on the
> > > other.If the concentration of heat is capsured on the inside of
> the
> > device
> > > you have a heater that will gravitate, and if the cold is on the
> inside of
> > > the device you have levitation.
> > > comments welcome?
> > > Robert [Bob] Naysmith @rbn1221@n...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Header Codes
> > > 11111: Theory, untested Hamel ideas
> > > 11112: Building and balancing, progress
> > > 11113: David Hamel reports
> > > 11114: Non-hamel mysteries and energies
> > > OT: "Off Topic"
> > >
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Hi John.
Hmmmmmmm dead on the MPM and yes lightly made , half way up and then
bent over. Whitley Streiber says that there is supposed to be a
large communication in Aug. Just about the time that Mars is at its
closest.
We haven't been down to Lake Erie yet but it is definitely in the
works. Two of my experiences took place down there and it would be
nice if I could see it on my own terms {not likely but I'll try}.
Still trying to close my unit in. It has sporadic moments when it
comes to life, either or I become momentarily aware and then lose
it. Such a fragile motion in a small machine. Say hi to the rest of
your family for me and I'll tell my wife and kids that you are
still OK.
Friends Mac.
--- In hameltech@yahoogroups.com, "john pasley" <john@j...> wrote:
> Hello Mac,
>
> Long time no see, hope you're well. We were at 30 C in April, now
we're only
> at 22 C, strange weather and not just here.
>
> Crop formations have been very down in numbers this year so far,
perhaps
> they will pick up, one of interest to Hameltechies is
>
http://cropcircleconnector.com/2003/newmarkethill/newmarkethill2003a.
html
> I haven't visited any this year so cant tell which are genuine,
but this
> site has started giving more information such as this formation
was lightly
> made, a good sign it's genuine, broken stems are always a sure
sign of a
> forgery.
>
> Have you joined your friend on his lake photography trips lately?
>
> Hope you and yours are good.
>
> John
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "gumboots2u" <PDS@r...>
> To: <hameltech@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 3:03 PM
> Subject: [hameltech] OT. Re: some info for buliders
>
>
> > Hi John Hows England this time of year? Any cropcircles
nearby?
> > And Bob,,,,, where in this world are you? { geographical}.
> >
> > Mac.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In hameltech@yahoogroups.com, "john pasley" <john@j...>
wrote:
> > > Bob,
> > >
> > > Like the way you are thinking here. Schauberger seems to be
> > helpful in
> > > understanding Hamel. I agree that a working device will
heat/cool
> > and this
> > > will lead to a gravity effect.
> > >
> > > I wouldn't worry about being 58, that still gives you 20 years
of
> > hard graft
> > > at least.
> > >
> > > Can I ask about your successes? ring/cone gap size, magnets
used,
> > did the
> > > devices operate continually either independantly or with a
motor,
> > did they
> > > have an inner cone, if so at half height or other, did you ever
> > weight it
> > > while it was working. Any pointers to design would be useful,
> > there are
> > > plenty of people on this group who would like to have your
level
> > of success,
> > > and many working away without it. All the same, sorry to grill
you.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "rbn1221" <rbn1221@n...>
> > > To: <hameltech@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 3:20 AM
> > > Subject: [hameltech] Re: some info for buliders
> > >
> > > > Theory and buliding
> > > > I,ve been around for about 3-4 years , silent most of the
time
> > but watch
> > > > your E-Mails.
> > > > I have built a 45gal and a mini with some success but not to
a
> > plasma .As
> > > a
> > > > result I started looking for anwers with the first one,
what is
> > this
> > > energy
> > > > that we are trying get to?
> > > > Plasma what is it?
> > > > What is the connection?
> > > > How do we get there?
> > > > The means to getting there has been done by David Hamel,
Victor
> > Shauberger
> > > > ,magneticenergy.com,keely and others so I thought if it takes
> > the rest of
> > > my
> > > > life I,ll study them all until I find the answers.Being 58 it
> > won,t be
> > > that
> > > > long.
> > > > The answers are, almost, if you know one it will answer all
the
> > others.
> > > > Magnetism seems to be the link,all say and dealt with
magnetism
> > and say
> > > that
> > > > electricity -it is not.
> > > > there seems to be a connecting phase and all seem to talk
about
> > vortexes.
> > > > All seem to talk about Ions and associate the vortex and
> > magnetism with
> > > > them.
> > > > now we have the first problem,that being everyone
says ,ok ,link
> > > electricity
> > > > and you have Ions!But they tell us that electricity is not a
> > part of this
> > > > system ,it is magnetic.
> > > > So I,m looking for a way to create Ions without electrical
> > connections.
> > > > What I found was that if you do the same basic thing with
Dia-
> > magnetic
> > > > material,Cooper,Aliuminum,brass ect. that you create Ions
from
> > that
> > > magnetic
> > > > state.Many parmagnetic metals are also dia-magnetic.
> > > > the next important thing then is concentrating those Ions
and in
> > doing so
> > > > connect to the Ionasphere as David has said we must do.This
> > brings into
> > > > being a need to cerate a transport system so we can make that
> > > > connection.Vortexes do that very thing.Magneticenergy.com and
> > Shauberger
> > > > have said if you want magnetic energy to flow you must
create a
> > vortex.
> > > > now we have a vortex ,Ions ,magnetsim without electricity
and the
> > > > means{45gal or mini device] to build that Ionic field.
> > > > If It was just Ion concentration we would now have a plasma
but
> > that does
> > > > not happen as many of us have found out.SO whats the problem,
> > What kind of
> > > > vibration is needed by the cones ? A vortex movement by the
> > cones is the
> > > > connecting link that many of us have missed.Vibration we got
but
> > the fact
> > > > that the cones themselves have to rotate in a vortex that
will
> > create a
> > > > double heloid circle to the air. This helix will pull the
Ions
> > into a
> > > > conglameration called magnetrons or gruops of Ions that will
> > create a sort
> > > > of road or pathway between the Ionasphere and the device.
> > Without the
> > > vortex
> > > > the conglameration does not build enough to create a plasma
and
> > all we get
> > > > is a static Ionic field.This conglameration of Ions is sucked
> > into the
> > > > device by the vortex and at the same time creates the
magnetic
> > flow
> > > between
> > > > them.
> > > > If what I say is true then Science has ether made a big
mistake
> > or is
> > > > covering up the way to build a praadise on earth.The problem
is
> > that our
> > > > whole world is built on a system that is taking us to our
final
> > days as we
> > > > know them on earth.The Bible and all history in one way or
> > another is
> > > > telling us this.I,m not saying to fight the governments of
the
> > world ,time
> > >
> > > > is to short even if that time is hundred years which I
believe
> > is more
> > > like
> > > > 10 years.
> > > > Victor Shauburger has said that Science has it all wrong and
if
> > you do the
> > > > opposite we will have success. This is because Science has
> > looked only to
> > > > the pressure system and ignored the
> > vortexial ,sucksion ,system.He says
> > > that
> > > > nature uses both the vortexial sucksion to create and the
> > pressure system
> > > to
> > > > break things down.
> > > > Magnetism Creates sucktion or levitation and the electrical
> > system
> > > creates
> > > > gravitaion or pressure systems.SO if we try to create
through a
> > normal
> > > > pressure system we cannot make the connection necessary.
> > > > The law of concervation does not aplly to a vortex system and
> > actually
> > > works
> > > > in reverse which will increase with the intial rotation
instead
> > of
> > > > increaseing the friction.This is because of the double helex
> > which creates
> > > a
> > > > cooling rebuilding structure that eliminates the friction of
> > pressure.
> > > > When air or water are turned in a vortexial heloid there is a
> > double
> > > > flow,one going inward and the other outward.One flow in and
the
> > other
> > > > out.The outer flow insulates the inner and reduces friction
and
> > > temperature.
> > > > As a result these devices will have a hot on one side and a
cool
> > on the
> > > > other.If the concentration of heat is capsured on the
inside of
> > the
> > > device
> > > > you have a heater that will gravitate, and if the cold is on
the
> > inside of
> > > > the device you have levitation.
> > > > comments welcome?
> > > > Robert [Bob] Naysmith @rbn1221@n...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Header Codes
> > > > 11111: Theory, untested Hamel ideas
> > > > 11112: Building and balancing, progress
> > > > 11113: David Hamel reports
> > > > 11114: Non-hamel mysteries and energies
> > > > OT: "Off Topic"
> > > >
> > > > Post message: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subscribe: hameltech-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Unsubscribe: hameltech-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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> > > >
> > > >
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> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
> > Header Codes
> > 11111: Theory, untested Hamel ideas
> > 11112: Building and balancing, progress
> > 11113: David Hamel reports
> > 11114: Non-hamel mysteries and energies
> > OT: "Off Topic"
> >
> > Post message: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
> > Subscribe: hameltech-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
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> >
----- Original Message -----
From: "gumboots2u" <PDS@...>
To: <hameltech@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 7:03 AM
Subject: [hameltech] OT. Re: some info for buliders
> Hi John Hows England this time of year? Any cropcircles nearby?
> And Bob,,,,, where in this world are you? { geographical}.
>
> Mac.
>
>
>
> --- In hameltech@yahoogroups.com, "john pasley" <john@j...> wrote:
> > Bob,
> >
> > Like the way you are thinking here. Schauberger seems to be
> helpful in
> > understanding Hamel. I agree that a working device will heat/cool
> and this
> > will lead to a gravity effect.
> >
> > I wouldn't worry about being 58, that still gives you 20 years of
> hard graft
> > at least.
> >
> > Can I ask about your successes? ring/cone gap size, magnets used,
> did the
> > devices operate continually either independantly or with a motor,
> did they
> > have an inner cone, if so at half height or other, did you ever
> weight it
> > while it was working. Any pointers to design would be useful,
> there are
> > plenty of people on this group who would like to have your level
> of success,
> > and many working away without it. All the same, sorry to grill you.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > John
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "rbn1221" <rbn1221@n...>
> > To: <hameltech@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 3:20 AM
> > Subject: [hameltech] Re: some info for buliders
> >
Hi Gumbootsu and Gerardo
I,m in denver colorado area {usa] Half way between anybody out there I
Guess.
My whole machine is Based on that of Bob Thomas Drawings.
Including the large base as it seemed to me that a large area like that
would help to move the air better.
The cones are Al bike rims ,three ,I got used ,which are the outer rims ,
and three new ,for the inner rims.Magnets are the Radio Shack 7/8 ,1 7/8 by
3/8. They are no 5 Gauss.
The cones are Al with the base made of plywood ,cups are al pop cans with
glass marbels in them ,Rejection magnets are 4 1/2 in.and the same for the
magnets in the oscillator.ALl magnets are 5 Gauss.
All this is put in a make shift frame--- 3/4 '' threaded rod with matching
nuts and washers to hold each ring in place.
Top and bottom are made of PLywood cut into circles with hole drilled for
the rods.
Top Plywood same as bottom except cut down coffee cans are glued to the
under side of the top plywood for the top rejection magnet.The the whole
thing is adjustable
and fits in a 55 gallon drum.us drum.
The cones ,outter,are 60 % and the inner cones are half way and come to a
45% angle.
Magnetic energy.com say that zep energy is drawn by a 45 % angle,and their
space craft is based on two 90% cones inverted on one another
to make the outside shell of the craft .Then the inner walls are vertical
cylinders insultlated with 6'' inpregnated insulation, insulated with
graphite powder , along with two rotateing 3/8 thick al.ti.cu-b [a known
titanium ,al mix] metal for top and bottom plates.This creates an area for
gravity control.The top and bottom plates are magnatised and fitted with
copper coils to create a safe invironment in space.Without it, once you
pass the moon and leave the ehteric feild of earth you would turn into a
pile of powdered chemicals
Ether as we know it incomepasses the magnetic field of earth and once passed
that field you are in danger unless you have a magnetic field built around
you,This is the reason for the above structure.Insulation that is at least
6'' thick and inpregnated with Graphite powder with a magnetic field , will
protect the ocupants.
In Davids case the granite is doing the same thing.
If you think about it ,if you need a magnetic field passed the etheric
envelope of the earth then what you have in space could not be electircal or
eletro-magnetic because neither will keep you safe in space.So that means
that magnetism is the primary and elecrical is the by product.
As a matter of fact the universe is made from a magnetic structure.What you
have in space is magnetic structures for the planets and what is called
nuertal magnetism beyond the ehteric envelopes of the planets.The nuetral
magnatism will not hold the chemical substance together until it is given a
polarity.That is what mother nature does for us through the Ionasphere an
the ozone layers.
getting late and work tommrrow Rbn1221@net zero.net
Hello all, I'm back to the boards after about a month it seems
like.
I've located a friend of a friend who claims to be able to construct
perfect 60 degree cones for my "little project". Meanwhile i have
printed off a to-scale MPM table on which i can base each and every
part, from cone width down to the oscillator cups n' ballz. Each
and every ceramic-5 magnet will be thuroughly tested with my newly
bought magnetic viewing film. Stainless steel cones binded to iron
rims under 1/2" magnet srips around each cone, just the way it
should be.
I had been letting our granite guy just basically go off on his own
and get back to me whenever. I started to seriously push for some
answers just a few days back, and we'll see what happens. I dont
remember the price he gave me, but it might work out. Definite
demensions of granite are this (from phone conversation with hamel):
first stage 8" thick, second stage 16" thick, third stage 24"
thick. Hamel was supposed to call him the other day, but i have
been out of town and mabee OLE, can inform u all whats going on with
that.
The only way i'm going to hamels this summer is if i can get some
other people rounded up also. Seems like im losing interest.
Meanwhile i have no reason to think or beleive there is even a new
book to be released. When you think about it, its all just
hearsay. There have been too many posts asking for more info on the
book, and the only responses are, "we dont really know who is making
it, or the progress, but it should be good". So i have mentally
given up on the book. hence, the reason im getting busy on my 3CD.
One of our silent members has visited hamel from toronto a few weeks
ago. He has large scans of new photographs. This includes a large
blueprint of stage 1 2 and 3 all put togethor with details and
measurments everywhere. My friend didnt think much of it, seems
like he is more interested in the hands on stuff. Also there is
pictures of the new construction tower onsite. It appears much is
in fact happening there. I have only seen thumbnail views of the
shots he took, but it also appears that all the domes for stage 1
are complete now. I will try to get high res versions of these
pictures when i get back in town and in my groove.
keepin it real.
-Travis
Bob ... those are very interesting words.
Thanks for sharing them with us. I have read Magneticenergy.com
also, have the complete transcript printed out. Since they represent
channeled or other method of spontaneous learning I am cautious. No
more than I am with Dave, but at least I can go and talk to Dave if
I find it necessary. There seems to be a lot more people listening
and working on Daves machines than Magneticenergy. If you get a
chance maybe you could share some pics with us here at the group. We
would like to see what you've done. Truly Mac
--- In hameltech@yahoogroups.com, "rbn1221" <rbn1221@n...> wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "gumboots2u" <PDS@r...>
> To: <hameltech@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 7:03 AM
> Subject: [hameltech] OT. Re: some info for buliders
>
>
> > Hi John Hows England this time of year? Any cropcircles
nearby?
> > And Bob,,,,, where in this world are you? { geographical}.
> >
> > Mac.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In hameltech@yahoogroups.com, "john pasley" <john@j...>
wrote:
> > > Bob,
> > >
> > > Like the way you are thinking here. Schauberger seems to be
> > helpful in
> > > understanding Hamel. I agree that a working device will
heat/cool
> > and this
> > > will lead to a gravity effect.
> > >
> > > I wouldn't worry about being 58, that still gives you 20 years
of
> > hard graft
> > > at least.
> > >
> > > Can I ask about your successes? ring/cone gap size, magnets
used,
> > did the
> > > devices operate continually either independantly or with a
motor,
> > did they
> > > have an inner cone, if so at half height or other, did you ever
> > weight it
> > > while it was working. Any pointers to design would be useful,
> > there are
> > > plenty of people on this group who would like to have your
level
> > of success,
> > > and many working away without it. All the same, sorry to grill
you.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "rbn1221" <rbn1221@n...>
> > > To: <hameltech@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 3:20 AM
> > > Subject: [hameltech] Re: some info for buliders
> > >
> Hi Gumbootsu and Gerardo
>
> I,m in denver colorado area {usa] Half way between anybody out
there I
> Guess.
>
> My whole machine is Based on that of Bob Thomas Drawings.
> Including the large base as it seemed to me that a large area like
that
> would help to move the air better.
> The cones are Al bike rims ,three ,I got used ,which are the outer
rims ,
> and three new ,for the inner rims.Magnets are the Radio Shack
7/8 ,1 7/8 by
> 3/8. They are no 5 Gauss.
> The cones are Al with the base made of plywood ,cups are al pop
cans with
> glass marbels in them ,Rejection magnets are 4 1/2 in.and the same
for the
> magnets in the oscillator.ALl magnets are 5 Gauss.
> All this is put in a make shift frame--- 3/4 '' threaded rod
with matching
> nuts and washers to hold each ring in place.
> Top and bottom are made of PLywood cut into circles with hole
drilled for
> the rods.
> Top Plywood same as bottom except cut down coffee cans are glued
to the
> under side of the top plywood for the top rejection magnet.The the
whole
> thing is adjustable
> and fits in a 55 gallon drum.us drum.
> The cones ,outter,are 60 % and the inner cones are half way and
come to a
> 45% angle.
> Magnetic energy.com say that zep energy is drawn by a 45 %
angle,and their
> space craft is based on two 90% cones inverted on one another
> to make the outside shell of the craft .Then the inner walls are
vertical
> cylinders insultlated with 6'' inpregnated insulation, insulated
with
> graphite powder , along with two rotateing 3/8 thick al.ti.cu-b
[a known
> titanium ,al mix] metal for top and bottom plates.This creates an
area for
> gravity control.The top and bottom plates are magnatised and
fitted with
> copper coils to create a safe invironment in space.Without it,
once you
> pass the moon and leave the ehteric feild of earth you would turn
into a
> pile of powdered chemicals
> Ether as we know it incomepasses the magnetic field of earth and
once passed
> that field you are in danger unless you have a magnetic field
built around
> you,This is the reason for the above structure.Insulation that is
at least
> 6'' thick and inpregnated with Graphite powder with a magnetic
field , will
> protect the ocupants.
> In Davids case the granite is doing the same thing.
> If you think about it ,if you need a magnetic field passed the
etheric
> envelope of the earth then what you have in space could not be
electircal or
> eletro-magnetic because neither will keep you safe in space.So
that means
> that magnetism is the primary and elecrical is the by product.
> As a matter of fact the universe is made from a magnetic
structure.What you
> have in space is magnetic structures for the planets and what is
called
> nuertal magnetism beyond the ehteric envelopes of the planets.The
nuetral
> magnatism will not hold the chemical substance together until it
is given a
> polarity.That is what mother nature does for us through the
Ionasphere an
> the ozone layers.
>
> getting late and work tommrrow Rbn1221@net zero.net
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