Val,

   First, the cones need to be nearly weightless when
sitting in their suspension rings!  At this point, I
don't really care where the physical point of
reference between the suspension ring and cone ring
is, as long as everything floats correctly.
  Second, I don't have a good formula for figureing the
rejection magnets yet, as the set-ups that I've tried
with more success haven't been what I'd originally
thought they should be.  My rejection magnets are all
smaller than they appear to need to be using the
matrix.  Also, I've had much better luck using
different sized magnets between the top cone and lid
magnet.  With my M3CD, which is a 4 inch cone design,
I ended up with a 3/4" round magnet on the top cone,
with a 3/8" round magnet on the lid.
  Now that I'm working bigger, I thought that maybe
this was an anomoly with the smaller devices, but it
also seems to be an issue with the larger devices
also.  The 45GD uses 19.5" cones, and I've got 3.75"
doughnut magnets in the center of each of them.  Using
that size for a rejection magnet turned out to be a
problem.
  First off, it didn't work!  It would viberate for a
few minutes then stop.
  Second, it cracked one of the rejection magnets!  I
believe that it cracked because of an energy
viberation problem using that size magnet for the
rejection.
  Now I'm using a 1.75" doughnut magnet, with a .75"
round magnet in the center of it, as the cone
rejection magnet.  The lid magnet is a stack of five
of the .75" round magnets.
  The 45GD has been viberateing now for close to a
month!  I'm still in the fine-tuneing stages also, but
getting closer!
  Good luck with your device!!  If you have questions,
don't hesitate to contact me!  I'm not an expert, but
I think that David Hamel is the only real expert that
I know and we're just trying to learn what he already
understands.

  Truly,
  Bryan St.Clair

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--- In hameltech@y..., mmorisey@c... wrote:
> I found one post in a chat room that said they heard on Good
Morning
> America (abc) that they would be revealing IT on Monday's episode
> (Dec.3)  ....I couldn't find ANY other verification of this. If
> anyone finds a link verifying this, please post it here! I am a
> Ginger fan....the intrigue....the suspense....I hope it's good!
>
> Mike Mo.
>
> --- In hameltech@y..., "G Pantos" <gop6@h...> wrote:
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: gravity@v...
> > To: jlnlabs@y...
> > Cc: tekcorman@y...
> > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 4:39 AM
> > Subject: [jlnlabs] IT..ABC-TV
> >
> >
> > Greetings All,
> >
> > If my memory is correct ABC Television
> > will show what IT/Ginger is???
> >
> > ABC TV next monday or tuesday.
> >
> > I talked to Dean a few years ago at DEKA Design
> > he showed no interest in gyro propulsion.
> > I am still not sure what Ginger /IT is.
> >
> > IS "IT" merely a "yawn"????
> >
> > Ron
> > Kita
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Hey Everyone!

Its been a while since I've posted a progress update
on the WISGEN. I have not worked on it very much
lately as I have been away from home and very busy
with school. Lucky, as Christmas break approaches,
things are looking up.

I worked on the WISGEN today. I have had very little
luck up to this point with it. The motion was not
good, when I spun the ball it usually would loop
outwards and crash. I never got over several rotations
and it was frustrating. It seemed like it just
wouldn't work. However things are looking considerably
better after the work I did today.

I setup the top magnet different today. I made it so
in sits inside a routered out circle in the adjustable
top piece. I can move it in all directions this way,
and there is only about 1/8" of wood between the
bottom of it and the top of the magnets on the ball.
This allowed things to move a bit better. I had 3 (2"
dia) magnets on the ball and one magnet on the top.
Then I changed things so that there were two magnets
on the ball and two magnet on the top assembly. When I
did this I got the best motion I have seen yet.

I start by spinning the ball by hand, and it makes
many revolutions before stopping. The cones move well,
and sometimes it appears to aid the spinning of the
ball. I made many adjustments with the distance and
centering of the top magnet. There is much I have to
experiment with adjustments to the rings to try yet,
but that may have to wait till the next time I am
home.

While it still isn't working, there is finally signs
that it might! Up to this points tests have been far
from promising, but now things are looking up. What I
needed was stronger flux between the ball and top, and
taller magnets on the ball so that it could swing out
far enough. With that now it seems to spin as much as
(maybe even a bit more) it would if you did on the
floor. The motion of the cones seems to aid the
spinning of the ball, but there needs to be more
movement I think. My next step will be to reduce the
lift on the big cone so it can tip easier. The more
the big cone tips, the farther the ball will fall. The
attracting magnets should be able to keep the ball
from falling now even with the extra tipping. I think
that would help keep the ball rolling ;-)

I've got a good feeling about this!

Attached are some pics of how things look tonight.
-Justin




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Strange, the pics didn't go thru the first time. Well
let try again.....
-Justin

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Hey All,

  I've uploaded some screen shots to the files section. There are
shots of the waveform coming from my home made vibration sensor too,
although this data is very new & I havn't had time to re-test
properly. So Just know that the vibration data should be
considered "preliminary"!
  All comments or questions are always welcome!
The files are at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hameltech/files/Bryan%20StClair/scope/

  Truely,
  Bryan St.Clair

  Hi Brian,

You said to get the cones to barely float. I am there. Why must you add water to your cones and how much. If you tell me what I think you are going to tell me then I will propose a theory I have been thinking about.

Val

 Hi Mike Mo,

I have repositoned the cones. The verticle height is now about 15mm. Before your post it was about 6mm. They are at the point where they want to lift out of the rings floating if you will. I have read your post on Eulers Disk and found it informative. As soon as Bryan gives me an answer to my question --the answer I think he will give --I will give you a theory which I have been thinking about for some time regarding the cones.If he does not give me the answer that I am looking for I will not waste anybodys time with the theory.

Val

Val,

  I'll make this short, as I've got to run! The water
is used for balancing the cones for a couple of
reasons.
  1st: I needed something to hold the cones down!
  2nd:  The cones have a dynamic movement which is
similar to water.  The water added a dynamicisity to
the movement that you'd have to see to appreciate.
  3rd: Mr. Hamel used water in his cones.  Weather or
not it was for weight, or to simply see the
movement/viberation in the cones, it doesn't matter.
  4th: I had thought that adding water would add to the
elements within the unit.  Possibly it can, but the
water doesn't evaporate from the cones so it may be
adding do the vortex, or not.
  5th: It's really easy to work with, and change the
weight in the cones using a suction gun, which is
basically a quart size syringe.
  There's probably something I'm forgeting, but those
are the main reasons behind my decision to use water.

  Truly,
  Bryan St.Clair
  http://www.geocities.com/stclairtech/

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Well, I watched good morning america. And sure enough, they
showed 'IT'.  It IS a damn scooter! Seriously, though, it is pretty
cool. Not earth shattering by any means though.  Top speed is 12 mph,
and it's impossible to tip over. Neat to watch. I'm sure if you
missed it, there will be footage available online. Wat's funny is, it
looks exactly like the patent said it would!

Mike Mo.

--- In hameltech@y..., cambailey@s... wrote:
> http://abcnews.go.com/Sections/GMA/
>
> --- In hameltech@y..., mmorisey@c... wrote:
> > I found one post in a chat room that said they heard on Good
> Morning
> > America (abc) that they would be revealing IT on Monday's episode
> > (Dec.3)  ....I couldn't find ANY other verification of this. If
> > anyone finds a link verifying this, please post it here! I am a
> > Ginger fan....the intrigue....the suspense....I hope it's good!
> >
> > Mike Mo.
> >
> > --- In hameltech@y..., "G Pantos" <gop6@h...> wrote:
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: gravity@v...
> > > To: jlnlabs@y...
> > > Cc: tekcorman@y...
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 4:39 AM
> > > Subject: [jlnlabs] IT..ABC-TV
> > >
> > >
> > > Greetings All,
> > >
> > > If my memory is correct ABC Television
> > > will show what IT/Ginger is???
> > >
> > > ABC TV next monday or tuesday.
> > >
> > > I talked to Dean a few years ago at DEKA Design
> > > he showed no interest in gyro propulsion.
> > > I am still not sure what Ginger /IT is.
> > >
> > > IS "IT" merely a "yawn"????
> > >
> > > Ron
> > > Kita
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They already have an info page. The official name for 'IT' is the
Segway HT  (Human Transport).  I guess that means there will be
future segways for other types of payload, perhaps.  Anyways, here's
the link:
http://www.segway.com
I'm done with it now!

Mike Mo.

--- In hameltech@y..., Steven Ontiveros <steven_ontiveros@y...> wrote:
> Here's the link at GMA.
>
>
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/GMA/GoodMorningAmerica/GMA011203What_IT
_is.html
>
> Well it almost looked like the patent. The patent had
> a single wheel in the center. It was pretty cool
> looking though. My wife said it was just another toy
> for guys.
> Oh well.
>
> Steve O.
>
>
> --- mmorisey@c... wrote:
> > Well, I watched good morning america. And sure
> > enough, they
> > showed 'IT'.  It IS a damn scooter! Seriously,
> > though, it is pretty
> > cool. Not earth shattering by any means though.  Top
> > speed is 12 mph,
> > and it's impossible to tip over. Neat to watch. I'm
> > sure if you
> > missed it, there will be footage available online.
> > Wat's funny is, it
> > looks exactly like the patent said it would!
> >
> > Mike Mo.
> >
> > --- In hameltech@y..., cambailey@s... wrote:
> > > http://abcnews.go.com/Sections/GMA/
> > >
> > > --- In hameltech@y..., mmorisey@c... wrote:
> > > > I found one post in a chat room that said they
> > heard on Good
> > > Morning
> > > > America (abc) that they would be revealing IT on
> > Monday's episode
> > > > (Dec.3)  ....I couldn't find ANY other
> > verification of this. If
> > > > anyone finds a link verifying this, please post
> > it here! I am a
> > > > Ginger fan....the intrigue....the suspense....I
> > hope it's good!
> > > >
> > > > Mike Mo.
> > > >
> > > > --- In hameltech@y..., "G Pantos" <gop6@h...>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: gravity@v...
> > > > > To: jlnlabs@y...
> > > > > Cc: tekcorman@y...
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 4:39 AM
> > > > > Subject: [jlnlabs] IT..ABC-TV
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Greetings All,
> > > > >
> > > > > If my memory is correct ABC Television
> > > > > will show what IT/Ginger is???
> > > > >
> > > > > ABC TV next monday or tuesday.
> > > > >
> > > > > I talked to Dean a few years ago at DEKA
> > Design
> > > > > he showed no interest in gyro propulsion.
> > > > > I am still not sure what Ginger /IT is.
> > > > >
> > > > > IS "IT" merely a "yawn"????
> > > > >
> > > > > Ron
> > > > > Kita
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  Hi Bryan and all,

Bryan first congratulations on your device.

My thoughts on the cones are this:

Since Bryan gave me somewhat of the answer I was looking for I will give you some thoughts about the cones. I believe that the cones could be made similar to a shuttlecock. For those who don't know what a shuttlecock is it is the birdie that is used when playing badmiton. You may have other names for it. If you look at one of these shuttlecocks you will see it is weighted at the tip and flares out in the back. Looks just like a cone when you get down to it. I beleive that if the cone tip is weighted down similar to the shuttlecock then the flare of the cone will be light. During the motion of the cones the weight at the tip would be seeking a center point but always kept off due to the oscillation of the flared portion of the cones. Magnets repeling each other to push it in a state of unbalance seeking balance. It is my thought that it does not matter whether water is used or some other type of weight. The point is that the tip or lower area of the cone is weighted down while the flared end is light providing good cone tip balance. The tip being weighted would, it would seem, be able to break the isotope line as required quite easily. Many of you may have thought about this before so pardon me if I have been redundent. My 2 cents worth.

Val

well... nothing Wrong with toys :)

only the price is a bit high!!! $3000.00???
I have a go-ped that only cost $500.00 :) more
fun too... mine goes 18mph with me on it...
and I'm six foot one, two hunded fourty pounds...

Timothy...

--- Steven Ontiveros <steven_ontiveros@...>
wrote:
> Here's the link at GMA.
>
>
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/GMA/GoodMorningAmerica/GMA011203What_IT_is.html
>
> Well it almost looked like the patent. The
> patent had
> a single wheel in the center. It was pretty
> cool
> looking though. My wife said it was just
> another toy
> for guys.
> Oh well.
>
> Steve O.
>
>
> --- mmorisey@... wrote:
> > Well, I watched good morning america. And
> sure
> > enough, they
> > showed 'IT'.  It IS a damn scooter!
> Seriously,
> > though, it is pretty
> > cool. Not earth shattering by any means
> though.  Top
> > speed is 12 mph,
> > and it's impossible to tip over. Neat to
> watch. I'm
> > sure if you
> > missed it, there will be footage available
> online.
> > Wat's funny is, it
> > looks exactly like the patent said it would!
> >
> > Mike Mo.
> >
> > --- In hameltech@y..., cambailey@s... wrote:
> > > http://abcnews.go.com/Sections/GMA/
> > >
> > > --- In hameltech@y..., mmorisey@c... wrote:
> > > > I found one post in a chat room that said
> they
> > heard on Good
> > > Morning
> > > > America (abc) that they would be
> revealing IT on
> > Monday's episode
> > > > (Dec.3)  ....I couldn't find ANY other
> > verification of this. If
> > > > anyone finds a link verifying this,
> please post
> > it here! I am a
> > > > Ginger fan....the intrigue....the
> suspense....I
> > hope it's good!
> > > >
> > > > Mike Mo.
> > > >
> > > > --- In hameltech@y..., "G Pantos"
> <gop6@h...>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: gravity@v...
> > > > > To: jlnlabs@y...
> > > > > Cc: tekcorman@y...
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 4:39
> AM
> > > > > Subject: [jlnlabs] IT..ABC-TV
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Greetings All,
> > > > >
> > > > > If my memory is correct ABC Television
> > > > > will show what IT/Ginger is???
> > > > >
> > > > > ABC TV next monday or tuesday.
> > > > >
> > > > > I talked to Dean a few years ago at
> DEKA
> > Design
> > > > > he showed no interest in gyro
> propulsion.
> > > > > I am still not sure what Ginger /IT is.
> > > > >
> > > > > IS "IT" merely a "yawn"????
> > > > >
> > > > > Ron
> > > > > Kita
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I have to agree with you on this Val. I really think that's
important. By the way, that's another reason to build big. The magnet
weights at the rim of the cone become less of a percentage of the
overall cone weight, thus the center of gravity is lowered for each
cone.  I don't know where the best spot is for the center of gravity,
but I'm certain it should be below the ring magnets for the given
cone.  I like the shuttlecock analogy. Ever see one of those in a
wobbly flight?

Mike Mo.

--- In hameltech@y..., Val Gruno <vgruno2000@y...> wrote:
>
>
>   Hi Bryan and all,
> Bryan first congratulations on your device.
> My thoughts on the cones are this:
> Since Bryan gave me somewhat of the answer I was looking for I will
give you some thoughts about the cones. I believe that the cones
could be made similar to a shuttlecock. For those who don't know what
a shuttlecock is it is the birdie that is used when playing badmiton.
You may have other names for it. If you look at one of these
shuttlecocks you will see it is weighted at the tip and flares out in
the back. Looks just like a cone when you get down to it. I beleive
that if the cone tip is weighted down similar to the shuttlecock then
the flare of the cone will be light. During the motion of the cones
the weight at the tip would be seeking a center point but always kept
off due to the oscillation of the flared portion of the cones.
Magnets repeling each other to push it in a state of unbalance
seeking balance. It is my thought that it does not matter whether
water is used or some other type of weight. The point is that the tip
or lower area of the cone is weighted down while the flared end is
light providing good cone tip balance. The tip being weighted would,
it would seem, be able to break the isotope line as required quite
easily. Many of you may have thought about this before so pardon me
if I have been redundent. My 2 cents worth.
> Val
>
>
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Hello Everybody

Has anyone seen this site selling seamless cones?

http://www.churchmetal.com/scones.html

Adriaan

Hi all

One thing that I have mentioned before that I am starting to think is
more important than I had first thought....rigidity of the cones.

At first I thought the cone skins needed to be very rigid. And that
may still be true. But perhaps even more important than that, is the
rigidity of the rims themselves. Hamel used bicycle wheel rims on the
rims of his cones. If you spin a coin on the table (like Euler's
Disk) it vibrates faster and faster until it stops. A bicycle rim
will do that too. Will what ever any of you are using for rims do
that? I know MY cones don't. They absorb the vibration within the
material. That may be my problem, as for many of us possibly.  This
basic motion is required for good results, and it is easy to check by
spolling a cone on a rigid desktop before mounting the magnets.

In case you missed my earlier posts, 'spolling' is what a coin does
towards the end of it's motion when you spin it on the desk.

Any comments welcome

Mike Mo.

----- Original Message -----

From: mikemo500

To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 1:44 PM

Subject: [hameltech] 11111: Rigid rims

Hi all

One thing that I have mentioned before that I am starting to think is
more important than I had first thought....rigidity of the cones.

At first I thought the cone skins needed to be very rigid. And that
may still be true. But perhaps even more important than that, is the
rigidity of the rims themselves. Hamel used bicycle wheel rims on the
rims of his cones. If you spin a coin on the table (like Euler's
Disk) it vibrates faster and faster until it stops. A bicycle rim
will do that too. Will what ever any of you are using for rims do
that? I know MY cones don't. They absorb the vibration within the
material. That may be my problem, as for many of us possibly.  This
basic motion is required for good results, and it is easy to check by
spolling a cone on a rigid desktop before mounting the magnets.

In case you missed my earlier posts, 'spolling' is what a coin does
towards the end of it's motion when you spin it on the desk.

Any comments welcome

Mike Mo.


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Hello Everyone,

  The patterns obtained with the phonograph needle may
be inaccurate due to the electrical interference
interacting with the piezeo crystal element within the
needle cartridge.  I've built an experimental circuit
for measuring the mechanical frequency of my 45GD. It
appears to be quite reliable, but I may not be able to
get a good scope pattern from it to post with
everyone.
  The circuit I'm testing now uses a light detector
with a laser and mirror in order to keep the
electronics away from the RF interference coming from
the drum.  So far initial testing shows that it has an
extremely sensitive output, even to the point of
receiving the 60 cycle light wave from a flourescent
light fixture. I'll probably have to block ambiant
light from the area, along with disconnecting
electrical power from the building, and perform
testing with a small flashlight to eliminate the
possibility of corrupted data.   The wave form is of a
somewhat dirty nature due to the impure nature of a
diode laser vs. a gas laser which has a very pure
output.  Unfortunately I don't have access to a gas
laser, so my choices are limited.
  I'll be setting this up for final analysis, this
weekend.  Hopefully I'll have good data for further
study posted before weekend is over.
  The initial wave-forms are in the member's file
section under " Bryan St.Clair " and are in
sub-folders.  Please feel free to have a look!
  Does anyone here in this group have any experience
measuring mechanical frequency? I know that we have
some engineers here who might know more about this
than I do.  If so, it would be very helpful if you've
got any suggestions or tips, etc..  I'm planning to
mount the mirror directly to the shell, and keep the
source and detector on the same mounting surface
approximately 15 feet away.  Differences in ambiant
vibration between the detector, source, and reflector
show up directly on the output, so I've got to be
extremely critical of all procedures used for this
test in order to maintain accuracy.
  Anyone having comments or suggestions please fire
away!! It's Thursday morning now, I have very little
time to make modifications to the initial circuit
before testing begins this weekend.
  I'd really like to get this important data collection
assembled, and these experiments behind me in order to
move on to hopefully bringing this 45GD up to power!
It's very frustrating to know that it's so close, and
yet so far away.  Hopefully the data I'm collecting
will serve everyone in their pursuit of this vital
technology, by giving freely this hard-earned
information coming directly from a running 45GD.  As
I've stated before, I don't believe we'll be able to
collect this kind of data once the device is truly
making power, heat, and or plasma due to the extreme
interferences that are known to have been produced by
Mr. Hamel's earlier devices.

  Truly,
  Bryan St.Clair
  http://www.geocities.com/stclairtech/

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----- Original Message -----

From: PATRICK MCBRADY

To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 2:23 AM

Subject: Re: [hameltech] 11111: Rigid rims

Mike,

 

I thought the bike rims were used as part of the outside ring of magnets and the cone with its magnets floated inside that ring.

 

Can someone please clarify this for us.

 

Thanks

 

Patrick M

----- Original Message -----

From: mikemo500

To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 1:44 PM

Subject: [hameltech] 11111: Rigid rims

Hi all

One thing that I have mentioned before that I am starting to think is
more important than I had first thought....rigidity of the cones.

At first I thought the cone skins needed to be very rigid. And that
may still be true. But perhaps even more important than that, is the
rigidity of the rims themselves. Hamel used bicycle wheel rims on the
rims of his cones. If you spin a coin on the table (like Euler's
Disk) it vibrates faster and faster until it stops. A bicycle rim
will do that too. Will what ever any of you are using for rims do
that? I know MY cones don't. They absorb the vibration within the
material. That may be my problem, as for many of us possibly.  This
basic motion is required for good results, and it is easy to check by
spolling a cone on a rigid desktop before mounting the magnets.

In case you missed my earlier posts, 'spolling' is what a coin does
towards the end of it's motion when you spin it on the desk.

Any comments welcome

Mike Mo.


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Brian,

Could you provide the product number for the flexible magnets you
used. I am having difficulties find this on Magnetsource.

Regard,

vasyukov







--- In hameltech@y..., "Bryan St.Clair" <stclairtech@y...> wrote:
>  Hello Everyone,
>
>  The patterns obtained with the phonograph needle may
> be inaccurate due to the electrical interference
> interacting with the piezeo crystal element within the
> needle cartridge.  I've built an experimental circuit
> for measuring the mechanical frequency of my 45GD. It
> appears to be quite reliable, but I may not be able to
> get a good scope pattern from it to post with
> everyone.
>  The circuit I'm testing now uses a light detector
> with a laser and mirror in order to keep the
> electronics away from the RF interference coming from
> the drum.  So far initial testing shows that it has an
> extremely sensitive output, even to the point of
> receiving the 60 cycle light wave from a flourescent
> light fixture. I'll probably have to block ambiant
> light from the area, along with disconnecting
> electrical power from the building, and perform
> testing with a small flashlight to eliminate the
> possibility of corrupted data.   The wave form is of a
> somewhat dirty nature due to the impure nature of a
> diode laser vs. a gas laser which has a very pure
> output.  Unfortunately I don't have access to a gas
> laser, so my choices are limited.
>  I'll be setting this up for final analysis, this
> weekend.  Hopefully I'll have good data for further
> study posted before weekend is over.
>  The initial wave-forms are in the member's file
> section under " Bryan St.Clair " and are in
> sub-folders.  Please feel free to have a look!
>  Does anyone here in this group have any experience
> measuring mechanical frequency? I know that we have
> some engineers here who might know more about this
> than I do.  If so, it would be very helpful if you've
> got any suggestions or tips, etc..  I'm planning to
> mount the mirror directly to the shell, and keep the
> source and detector on the same mounting surface
> approximately 15 feet away.  Differences in ambiant
> vibration between the detector, source, and reflector
> show up directly on the output, so I've got to be
> extremely critical of all procedures used for this
> test in order to maintain accuracy.
>  Anyone having comments or suggestions please fire
> away!! It's Thursday morning now, I have very little
> time to make modifications to the initial circuit
> before testing begins this weekend.
>  I'd really like to get this important data collection
> assembled, and these experiments behind me in order to
> move on to hopefully bringing this 45GD up to power!
> It's very frustrating to know that it's so close, and
> yet so far away.  Hopefully the data I'm collecting
> will serve everyone in their pursuit of this vital
> technology, by giving freely this hard-earned
> information coming directly from a running 45GD.  As
> I've stated before, I don't believe we'll be able to
> collect this kind of data once the device is truly
> making power, heat, and or plasma due to the extreme
> interferences that are known to have been produced by
> Mr. Hamel's earlier devices.
>
>  Truly,
>  Bryan St.Clair
>  http://www.geocities.com/stclairtech/
>
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Helo friends is there any alternative to software with hardlocks.If
anyone know the information regarding this pls. respomd

You mean ways around them?
Of course there is.
-Justin

--- In hameltech@y..., "mnath111" <mnath111@y...> wrote:
> Helo friends is there any alternative to software with hardlocks.If
> anyone know the information regarding this pls. respomd

Hi Dan, All,

Does anybody know whether Dan has a new site up yet??

Ian

Helo Justin,
Can U please suggest me the ways How to find
alternative to hardlocks for the softwares.What I
heard is there are certain programming codes availble
alternative to these hardware keys.What all U know reg
this if U can let me know it  is greatly appreciable,
Thank U.Bye


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This isn't really the best place to talk of such things, but what you
need is a crack. It will patch the program so it doesn't look for the
hardware lock anymore.
Someone who wanted to crack a program would probably use this search
engine to find a crack by looking for the program name, and making
sure the crack was for the same version as they have.
http://astalavista.box.sk/
-Justin

--- In hameltech@y..., megha nath <mnath111@y...> wrote:
> Helo Justin,
> Can U please suggest me the ways How to find
> alternative to hardlocks for the softwares.What I
> heard is there are certain programming codes availble
> alternative to these hardware keys.What all U know reg
> this if U can let me know it  is greatly appreciable,
> Thank U.Bye
>
>
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