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#15179 From: "George T. Pantos" <gop6@...>
Date: Mon Nov 7, 2011 3:33 am
Subject: Element 115 Lazar..??
georgepantos
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#15180 From: "George T. Pantos" <gop6@...>
Date: Mon Nov 7, 2011 12:46 pm
Subject: William Pawelec Interview - YouTube
georgepantos
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u know one thing about area 51.. and secrecy, as people start dying they might be giving deathbed confessions.. since u can’t prosecute or “necessarily” kill a dead man..

#15181 From: granite spider <granite8rok@...>
Date: Fri Jan 6, 2012 5:35 pm
Subject: I AM FREE NOW!!
granite8rok
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Hey friend!

lately ive had a lot of my mind this was my last resort it was time to start a new chapter.
http://behm-bec.de/profile/81ShaunLewis/ I am back in control
just trying to help out a friend.


#15182 From: lady hawk <tarabead@...>
Date: Fri Jan 6, 2012 6:04 pm
Subject: Re: I AM FREE NOW!!
tarabead
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Ok Spider so how is this working for you and how much are YOU making
with this gig?
Tara

On 1/6/12, granite spider <granite8rok@...> wrote:
> <p>Hey friend!<br><br>lately ive had a lot of my mind this was my last
> resort it was time to start a new chapter.<br><a
>
href="http://behm-bec.de/profile/81ShaunLewis/">http://behm-bec.de/profile/81Sha\
unLewis/</a>
> I am back in control<br>just trying to help out a friend.</p>
>

#15183 From: Jose Bittar <jabittar@...>
Date: Fri Jan 6, 2012 8:16 pm
Subject: RE: I AM FREE NOW!!
jabittar_2000
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Now, now spider, my friend. I understand that things are tough for a lot of us in these tumultuous times, but (I ask rhetorically): Are any marketing schemes based on delusion and fraud going to work? Should we not focus on producing something of value to mankind?

How about discussing the latest developments in ZPE so that we can create useful gadgets to generate electricity without burning fossil fuels?




To: mattihorn@...; smiley@...; shanna.miller@...; shanna_goodman@...; mary.carpenter@...; lindarobinson32@...; lorettakarr@...; ithnkdeylikeme@...; ithnkimaredneck82@...; elchivin0604@...; elco16soccer@...; ck_girl_05@...; ckach@...; adeechar@...; adeelsidd@...; ij_claypool@...; sanmcor@...; doug44444@...; hameltech@yahoogroups.com
From: granite8rok@...
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 09:35:48 -0800
Subject: [hameltech] I AM FREE NOW!!

 

Hey friend!

lately ive had a lot of my mind this was my last resort it was time to start a new chapter.
http://behm-bec.de/profile/81ShaunLewis/ I am back in control
just trying to help out a friend.


#15184 From: granite spider <granite8rok@...>
Date: Sun Jan 8, 2012 7:26 am
Subject: Re: I AM FREE NOW!!......i Hate BULL$hit
granite8rok
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.......thats not me that sent that message????? 
not my style........
i have no idea where it came from......or how
i dont even know how to send a message with a link......true
do i have to delete my granite 8 rok acct. ?? to get rid of this so it never happens again.......help please

i Hate Bull$hit ~~~~~~>  aaaaaaaarrh!!!!!!!!!!!!....  ~':o\

by the way, for anyone who thot actually thought i sent that crap........think about it
Think About the Content of anything i have ever Contributed to this site......


--- On Fri, 1/6/12, granite spider <granite8rok@...> wrote:

From: granite spider <granite8rok@...>
Subject: [hameltech] I AM FREE NOW!!
To: "mattihorn@..." <mattihorn@...>, "smiley@..." <smiley@...>, "shanna.miller@..." <shanna.miller@...>, "shanna_goodman@..." <shanna_goodman@...>, "mary.carpenter@..." <mary.carpenter@...>, "lindarobinson32@..." <lindarobinson32@...>, "lorettakarr@..." <lorettakarr@...>, "ithnkdeylikeme@..." <ithnkdeylikeme@...>, "ithnkimaredneck82@..." <ithnkimaredneck82@...>, "elchivin0604@..." <elchivin0604@...>, "elco16soccer@..." <elco16soccer@...>, "ck_girl_05@..." <ck_girl_05@...>, "ckach@..." <ckach@...>, "adeechar@..." <adeechar@...>, "adeelsidd@..." <adeelsidd@...>, "ij_claypool@..." <ij_claypool@...>, "sanmcor@..." <sanmcor@...>, "doug44444@..." <doug44444@...>, "hameltech@yahoogroups.com" <hameltech@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, January 6, 2012, 9:35 AM

 

Hey friend!

lately ive had a lot of my mind this was my last resort it was time to start a new chapter.
http://behm-bec.de/profile/81ShaunLewis/ I am back in control
just trying to help out a friend.


#15185 From: granite spider <granite8rok@...>
Date: Sun Jan 8, 2012 7:31 am
Subject: i hate BULL$HiT........
granite8rok
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.......thats not me that sent that message link????? 
not my style........
i have no idea where it came from......or how
i dont even know how to send a message with a link, i've never sent one......true
do i have to delete my granite 8 rok acct. ?? to get rid of this so it never happens again.......help please

i Hate Bull$hit ~~~~~~>  aaaaaaaarrh!!!!!!!!!!!!....  ~':o\

by the way, for anyone who thot actually thought i sent that crap........think about it
Think About the Content of anything i have ever Contributed to this site......

#15186 From: corrigan ken <rednightshine@...>
Date: Sun Jan 8, 2012 11:08 pm
Subject: Re: i hate BULL$HiT........
rednightshine
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I have had this before. Somekind of program invades your address book. I learned that all you have to do is enter a false email under

From: granite spider <granite8rok@...>
To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2012 2:31:52 AM
Subject: [hameltech] i hate BULL$HiT........

 

.......thats not me that sent that message link????? 
not my style........
i have no idea where it came from......or how
i dont even know how to send a message with a link, i've never sent one......true
do i have to delete my granite 8 rok acct. ?? to get rid of this so it never happens again.......help please

i Hate Bull$hit ~~~~~~>  aaaaaaaarrh!!!!!!!!!!!!....  ~':o\

by the way, for anyone who thot actually thought i sent that crap........think about it
Think About the Content of anything i have ever Contributed to this site......



#15187 From: corrigan ken <rednightshine@...>
Date: Sun Jan 8, 2012 11:09 pm
Subject: Re: i hate BULL$HiT........
rednightshine
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enter aaa@... this will kill the program and prevent it from going further on your list Ken


From: granite spider <granite8rok@...>
To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2012 2:31:52 AM
Subject: [hameltech] i hate BULL$HiT........

 

.......thats not me that sent that message link????? 
not my style........
i have no idea where it came from......or how
i dont even know how to send a message with a link, i've never sent one......true
do i have to delete my granite 8 rok acct. ?? to get rid of this so it never happens again.......help please

i Hate Bull$hit ~~~~~~>  aaaaaaaarrh!!!!!!!!!!!!....  ~':o\

by the way, for anyone who thot actually thought i sent that crap........think about it
Think About the Content of anything i have ever Contributed to this site......



#15188 From: "Joe in Texas" <joesmith@...>
Date: Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:33 pm
Subject: WIS
jsmth531
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Weight into speed,,,at the top of the drum,,I have
decided/concluded,,this to be a pendulum.Of the sort I have seen on an
over-unity forum,,,no,,I am sorry I cannot prove links.My computer is very old
and will not do the modern tricks.
The Pendulum I was interested in was in a subject (my memory is sketchy)
'''One in 10 out???""",,,multiply by 12???
so sorry to make an ass of this post,,,,wish I had wrote the link down.
The pendulum was a ball and beam,,,horizontal movement transferred into an up
down motion,by means of a fulcrum...interesting and made me think of the WIS
immediately.
Any builders left?
a joe in Texas (wildcat driller)

re-reading my post before I hit send,,I seem to come across that I know
something,,,,this is in-correct I know only as much as most of you...that is to
say,,as David spoke of it many years ago.

#15189 From: Bla Bla <whit3he4d@...>
Date: Fri Mar 9, 2012 5:58 pm
Subject: RE: FW: Hi
whit3he4d
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Hey there!

ive overcome my fair share of hardships I took my chances with this I wasnt feeling like myself.
http://fetish-project.be/lastnews/15MichaelTurner/ now im in this for the long run
this is perfect for you.

ttyl


#15190 From: "intuit0001" <devrichards@...>
Date: Sun Mar 18, 2012 1:48 pm
Subject: OT A shout out to visitors and lurkers.
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Hello, hello, is anybody out there?  I'm new to the group, and judging by the
message history on the home page, I've missed the party.

I'm posting this in the hopes that anyone still dropping by or hanging around
will hit 'reply' and just say hi.  If there's somewhere on the net where Hamel
stuff is more actively explored, please let me know.

I don't know exactly how I ended up here, myself.  I attempted a 3 cone device
(3cd) years ago, then set it aside and haven't thought about Hamel for a decade
or so.  To be blunt, I never bought the whole 'aliens told me' story.  I've
always suspected that Mr. Hamel was a well-meaning but disturbed or delusional
person.

And yet here I am again after all these years.  Out of the blue it occurred to
me to check up on the ole gravito-magnetic money pit. And that 3cd still appeals
to me, despite its dubious origins.  If anyone is still around, I know you know
what I'm talking about.  That instinctive itch you feel when reading about the
device and examining the drawings.  The sense that just maybe it really could
work, if it was done right.

Well I'm not committed yet, but I think if I don't give this a proper try I will
never feel certain about the 3cd, one way or the other.

One of the things that keeps me from diving in is the outstanding quality of
some of the work I see in the files and photos here.  I'm not sure yet that my
own project would offer anything new.  But I'm not sure it wouldn't, either.

I think the best implementation I've seen here is that very brief Aaron Lishman
video in the files section.  But the device in it is obviously incomplete, with
no indication the project was ever finished.

*facepalm*  Lishman, if you're here, pipe up man!  What gives?

Then there's the 'Sam' folder in the files section, posted by   tinker_46120. 
Again, top notch work, and again, incomplete.  And flawed in the magnet spacing,
imo.  But too good to abandon without first expending every effort.  No record
of that here, though.

I'm sure there are other projects like those, here.  I haven't seen everything
yet.  And I'd be willing to bet that they're all in the same situation -
incomplete devices, with little or no written follow up.

Well, if I do this thing, I can assure you everything will be reported.  I would
build it right, build it well, and finish the job.  And I don't give a rats' @$$
about 'making it big'.  Trying to make a buck in this field guarantees failure -
it is just too easy to suppress ideas when the forces of need and greed are at
work.  The goal in these efforts must *always* be free and open distribution of
all discoveries.  My promise, to this empty place.  *If* I build it.  Dunno yet.
It would have to be a slow, long-term project, because there's this 'life' thing
that keeps happening to me every day.

In the interest of efficiency, I would consider a collaboration, if there's
anyone interested in a team effort.  Just holler, maybe we can negotiate
something.

Hamel was probably nuts.  And everyone who tries to duplicate his work is also
probably nuts.  Maybe it's time to go a little nuts again, see where it takes
me.

Cheers,
Dev in PA

#15191 From: "jeff.lynn1" <jeff_whitehead1@...>
Date: Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:03 pm
Subject: Re: OT A shout out to visitors and lurkers.
jeff.lynn1
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Hiya Dev in PA,

Long story short...I built a 45G barrel device 10 years a go that didn't work
but my ability to produce a precision instrument wasn't financially feasible at
the time...I would like to try again from a 'built to last' mindset and really
build a 'multimillion dollar lab version' of the device on a shoestring
budget...There are a few people intimately familiar with Mr Hamel and his
machine and may still check back here from time to time to see if there's been
any activity or progress made...Dan LaRochelle, whom I believe visited with and
interviewed Mr Hamel, a young fellow named Justin Szymanek who had a site for
several years dedicated to all things Hamel (although I'm not really certain
where he stands on this now), Jeanne Manning & Pierre Sinclaire, who spearheaded
a 'Project Magnet' and authored a book together named 'The Granite Man & the
Butterfly' (1995. ISBN 0-9699345-0-5), Jean Louis Naudin
(http://jnaudin.free.fr/) is a fairly dedicated researcher in the realm of free
energy and alternative propulsion technologies and may have some insight from
the perspective of a  'current academic knowledge of physics' point of view as
well as Dr. Hal Putoff...I don't know how you can contact or communicate with
the first three, but Jean still has a site up...Hope this helps...


Some interesting stuff
http://rimstar.org/sdprop/hamel/hameltheory.htm
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/vtxtech.htm


Regards,
Jeff

--- In hameltech@yahoogroups.com, "intuit0001" <devrichards@...> wrote:
>
> Hello, hello, is anybody out there?  I'm new to the group, and judging by the
message history on the home page, I've missed the party.
>
> I'm posting this in the hopes that anyone still dropping by or hanging around
will hit 'reply' and just say hi.  If there's somewhere on the net where Hamel
stuff is more actively explored, please let me know.
>
> I don't know exactly how I ended up here, myself.  I attempted a 3 cone device
(3cd) years ago, then set it aside and haven't thought about Hamel for a decade
or so.  To be blunt, I never bought the whole 'aliens told me' story.  I've
always suspected that Mr. Hamel was a well-meaning but disturbed or delusional
person.
>
> And yet here I am again after all these years.  Out of the blue it occurred to
me to check up on the ole gravito-magnetic money pit. And that 3cd still appeals
to me, despite its dubious origins.  If anyone is still around, I know you know
what I'm talking about.  That instinctive itch you feel when reading about the
device and examining the drawings.  The sense that just maybe it really could
work, if it was done right.
>
> Well I'm not committed yet, but I think if I don't give this a proper try I
will never feel certain about the 3cd, one way or the other.
>
> One of the things that keeps me from diving in is the outstanding quality of
some of the work I see in the files and photos here.  I'm not sure yet that my
own project would offer anything new.  But I'm not sure it wouldn't, either.
>
> I think the best implementation I've seen here is that very brief Aaron
Lishman video in the files section.  But the device in it is obviously
incomplete, with no indication the project was ever finished.
>
> *facepalm*  Lishman, if you're here, pipe up man!  What gives?
>
> Then there's the 'Sam' folder in the files section, posted by   tinker_46120. 
Again, top notch work, and again, incomplete.  And flawed in the magnet spacing,
imo.  But too good to abandon without first expending every effort.  No record
of that here, though.
>
> I'm sure there are other projects like those, here.  I haven't seen everything
yet.  And I'd be willing to bet that they're all in the same situation -
incomplete devices, with little or no written follow up.
>
> Well, if I do this thing, I can assure you everything will be reported.  I
would build it right, build it well, and finish the job.  And I don't give a
rats' @$$ about 'making it big'.  Trying to make a buck in this field guarantees
failure - it is just too easy to suppress ideas when the forces of need and
greed are at work.  The goal in these efforts must *always* be free and open
distribution of all discoveries.  My promise, to this empty place.  *If* I build
it.  Dunno yet.  It would have to be a slow, long-term project, because there's
this 'life' thing that keeps happening to me every day.
>
> In the interest of efficiency, I would consider a collaboration, if there's
anyone interested in a team effort.  Just holler, maybe we can negotiate
something.
>
> Hamel was probably nuts.  And everyone who tries to duplicate his work is also
probably nuts.  Maybe it's time to go a little nuts again, see where it takes
me.
>
> Cheers,
> Dev in PA
>

#15192 From: "Steven Dufresne" <stevend@...>
Date: Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:43 pm
Subject: Re: Re: OT A shout out to visitors and lurkers.
stevendpe
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Hi Dev,
I'm still here too (the first link that Jeff gave below.) I'd still like to
build a new one
starting from scratch using the feedback I got from David from the times I
brought
my 45GDs to show him (which is all on my website to the best of my
recollections.)
However, the effort to restart, and the $400 or $500 cost for new magnets now
that I know which ones David used have stopped me. So I've focused elsewhere
over the years. But the itch to do it remains.

Hi Jeff,
I don't think David did it with expensive tools. But when I visited him I
noticed that
he took great care in each step. He didn't just slap things together but made
jigs
as needed. Patience I think is what's needed, something I lack at times when
building.
-Steve
http://rimstar.org/sdprop   http://youtube.com/rimstarorg

-----Original Message-----
From: jeff.lynn1 jeff_whitehead1@...
Sent 3/18/2012 3:03:31 PM
To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [hameltech] Re: OT A shout out to visitors and lurkers.

Hiya Dev in PA,

Long story short...I built a 45G barrel device 10 years a go that didn't work
but my ability to produce a precision instrument wasn't financially feasible at
the time...I would like to try again from a 'built to last' mindset and really
build a 'multimillion dollar lab version' of the device on a shoestring
budget...There are a few people intimately familiar with Mr Hamel and his
machine and may still check back here from time to time to see if there's been
any activity or progress made...Dan LaRochelle, whom I believe visited with and
interviewed Mr Hamel, a young fellow named Justin Szymanek who had a site for
several years dedicated to all things Hamel (although I'm not really certain
where he stands on this now), Jeanne Manning & Pierre Sinclaire, who spearheaded
a 'Project Magnet' and authored a book together named 'The Granite Man & the
Butterfly' (1995. ISBN 0-9699345-0-5), Jean Louis Naudin
(http://jnaudin.free.fr/) is a fairly dedicated researcher in the realm of free
energy and alternative propulsion technologies and may have some insight from
the perspective of a 'current academic knowledge of physics' point of view as
well as Dr. Hal Putoff...I don't know how you can contact or communicate with
the first three, but Jean still has a site up...Hope this helps...


Some interesting stuff
http://rimstar.org/sdprop/hamel/hameltheory.htm
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/vtxtech.htm


Regards,
Jeff

--- In hameltech@yahoogroups.com, "intuit0001" devrichards@... wrote:

  Hello, hello, is anybody out there? I'm new to the group, and judging by the
message history on the home page, I've missed the party.

  I'm posting this in the hopes that anyone still dropping by or hanging around
will hit 'reply' and just say hi. If there's somewhere on the net where Hamel
stuff is more actively explored, please let me know.

  I don't know exactly how I ended up here, myself. I attempted a 3 cone device
(3cd) years ago, then set it aside and haven't thought about Hamel for a decade
or so. To be blunt, I never bought the whole 'aliens told me' story. I've always
suspected that Mr. Hamel was a well-meaning but disturbed or delusional person.

  And yet here I am again after all these years. Out of the blue it occurred to
me to check up on the ole gravito-magnetic money pit. And that 3cd still appeals
to me, despite its dubious origins. If anyone is still around, I know you know
what I'm talking about. That instinctive itch you feel when reading about the
device and examining the drawings. The sense that just maybe it really could
work, if it was done right.

  Well I'm not committed yet, but I think if I don't give this a proper try I
will never feel certain about the 3cd, one way or the other.

  One of the things that keeps me from diving in is the outstanding quality of
some of the work I see in the files and photos here. I'm not sure yet that my
own project would offer anything new. But I'm not sure it wouldn't, either.

  I think the best implementation I've seen here is that very brief Aaron Lishman
video in the files section. But the device in it is obviously incomplete, with
no indication the project was ever finished.

  *facepalm* Lishman, if you're here, pipe up man! What gives?

  Then there's the 'Sam' folder in the files section, posted by tinker_46120.
Again, top notch work, and again, incomplete. And flawed in the magnet spacing,
imo. But too good to abandon without first expending every effort. No record of
that here, though.

  I'm sure there are other projects like those, here. I haven't seen everything
yet. And I'd be willing to bet that they're all in the same situation -
incomplete devices, with little or no written follow up.

  Well, if I do this thing, I can assure you everything will be reported. I would
build it right, build it well, and finish the job. And I don't give a rats' @$$
about 'making it big'. Trying to make a buck in this field guarantees failure -
it is just too easy to suppress ideas when the forces of need and greed are at
work. The goal in these efforts must *always* be free and open distribution of
all discoveries. My promise, to this empty place. *If* I build it. Dunno yet. It
would have to be a slow, long-term project, because there's this 'life' thing
that keeps happening to me every day.

  In the interest of efficiency, I would consider a collaboration, if there's
anyone interested in a team effort. Just holler, maybe we can negotiate
something.

  Hamel was probably nuts. And everyone who tries to duplicate his work is also
probably nuts. Maybe it's time to go a little nuts again, see where it takes me.

  Cheers,
  Dev in PA

#15193 From: "intuit0001" <devrichards@...>
Date: Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:31 pm
Subject: Re: OT A shout out to visitors and lurkers.
intuit0001
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Hiya gents, nice of you to reply, thanks very much.  Even better to hear from
two high-timers.  I've been skimming topics starting from the beginning of this
group and I know I've seen posts from both of you going back to good old 2000
AD.

Jeff, thanks for pointing me in those directions.  I'm actually very familiar
with the older stuff - Puthoff, Naudin, etc, although it's been a while since I
reviewed any of it.  The newer stuff from members here is very interesting.  I
like your comment, " 'Million dollar lab version' on a shoestring " - that
sounds about right.

Steven, it sure is nice to click on your site link and have an actual website
come up.  The first couple thousand posts in this group are full to the brim
with dead links.  I've had to resort to the Wayback Machine most of the time.

Checking your site, your 'Hamel Inverted Cones' project looks very similar to my
own long-gone attempt.  I decided back then that I was building too small - that
my device could not work on that scale with the sloppy tolerances I achieved.

You mentioned a hefty price for the right magnets - do you recall the
specifications for them, by chance?

Uh-oh... I'm thinking about buying magnets... the wallet cringes, the wife
scowls.

I'm also thinking about how I would approach this if I take it on.  Full-on
45GD, or smaller scale.  Bigger might be better, but I really like this project
here in the file section:

http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/0ExmTzwm49qWN6yFxWbiIT7M7a3PNbgvnG_OXWMC1iyKmAGhZmm\
wYxmBG80RIs5-TKmlxO8k6g_ZCxnSdvHstUcRfnQN2Owl/gumboots2u/Dcp00552.jpg

There are more photos of it in the same folder.  That embodiment has a lot going
for it.  The smaller scale makes it cheaper to build.  It has decent
documentation of specs here: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hameltech/files/Tom%202/

Construction is straightforward (relatively speaking).  And best of all, it has
been verified to develop a physically detectable vibration.  The written account
of that verification is here in the group's files: 
http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/4FpmTw6FJ8i0hQ5lLAAyBfPImpBQ-bUYv5OCtVM06_4JGBiecsJ\
M-OhWlnXUFT7Z5aQraF5wQZGT89kumMCg2piMr_T8hXQB/gumboots2u/Visit%20to%20Tom%27s

I'll admit I'd like to see a device implode, or explode, or levitate, glow,
spark, or wobble.  But a simple, sustained 'thrum' is really all it would take
to make my day.  To put it mildly.  If that was my device, I'd have a pickup
coil somewhere in those vibrating fields faster than you can say delta-H.

I'm still looking around, but as examples of success go I think this is as good
as it gets.  What do you think?

Cheers,
Dev in PA

#15194 From: "Steven Dufresne" <stevend@...>
Date: Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:56 pm
Subject: Re: Re: OT A shout out to visitors and lurkers.
stevendpe
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Hi Dev,
You can find photos and details of the magnets that David used in his 45GD here:
http://rimstar.org/sdprop/haml45gd/h45gdavd/h45gdavd.htm

Yeah, my Hamel Inverted Cones project was my first time working with magnets and
I made it before visiting David for the first time. It turned out a mess but I
learned a lot.
-Steve
http://rimstar.org/sdprop   http://youtube.com/rimstarorg

-----Original Message-----
From: intuit0001 devrichards@...
Sent 3/18/2012 7:31:07 PM
To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [hameltech] Re: OT A shout out to visitors and lurkers.

Hiya gents, nice of you to reply, thanks very much. Even better to hear from two
high-timers. I've been skimming topics starting from the beginning of this group
and I know I've seen posts from both of you going back to good old 2000 AD.

Jeff, thanks for pointing me in those directions. I'm actually very familiar
with the older stuff - Puthoff, Naudin, etc, although it's been a while since I
reviewed any of it. The newer stuff from members here is very interesting. I
like your comment, " 'Million dollar lab version' on a shoestring " - that
sounds about right.

Steven, it sure is nice to click on your site link and have an actual website
come up. The first couple thousand posts in this group are full to the brim with
dead links. I've had to resort to the Wayback Machine most of the time.

Checking your site, your 'Hamel Inverted Cones' project looks very similar to my
own long-gone attempt. I decided back then that I was building too small - that
my device could not work on that scale with the sloppy tolerances I achieved.

You mentioned a hefty price for the right magnets - do you recall the
specifications for them, by chance?

Uh-oh... I'm thinking about buying magnets... the wallet cringes, the wife
scowls.

I'm also thinking about how I would approach this if I take it on. Full-on 45GD,
or smaller scale. Bigger might be better, but I really like this project here in
the file section:

http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/0ExmTzwm49qWN6yFxWbiIT7M7a3PNbgvnG_OXWMC1iyKmAGhZmm\
wYxmBG80RIs5-TKmlxO8k6g_ZCxnSdvHstUcRfnQN2Owl/gumboots2u/Dcp00552.jpg

There are more photos of it in the same folder. That embodiment has a lot going
for it. The smaller scale makes it cheaper to build. It has decent documentation
of specs here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hameltech/files/Tom%202/

Construction is straightforward (relatively speaking). And best of all, it has
been verified to develop a physically detectable vibration. The written account
of that verification is here in the group's files:
http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/4FpmTw6FJ8i0hQ5lLAAyBfPImpBQ-bUYv5OCtVM06_4JGBiecsJ\
M-OhWlnXUFT7Z5aQraF5wQZGT89kumMCg2piMr_T8hXQB/gumboots2u/Visit%20to%20Tom%27s

I'll admit I'd like to see a device implode, or explode, or levitate, glow,
spark, or wobble. But a simple, sustained 'thrum' is really all it would take to
make my day. To put it mildly. If that was my device, I'd have a pickup coil
somewhere in those vibrating fields faster than you can say delta-H.

I'm still looking around, but as examples of success go I think this is as good
as it gets. What do you think?

Cheers,
Dev in PA

#15195 From: Jon Munson <jmunson@...>
Date: Mon Mar 19, 2012 12:24 am
Subject: Re: Re: OT A shout out to visitors and lurkers.
jmunsonii
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Namaste!

Dev:  David always said "build big."  He rather scoffed at the "mini 3cds" from what I gather.  While I don't know exactly why he said that, I believe the point to be it is easier to get things to work at larger sizes - balance is everything.  Not just balance of objects, but balance of fields, etc.  The materials used played key roles in the functioning of the device.

Money/time always stopped me from doing this more seriously.  I only built a very small test model, purposely not made to function, as a "proof of concept" for myself.

Be careful, it can be built wrong and cause havoc.

Peace, Love, and Light!!!


From: "Steven Dufresne" <stevend@...>
To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 7:56:50 PM
Subject: Re:  [hameltech] Re: OT   A shout out to visitors and lurkers.

 

Hi Dev,
You can find photos and details of the magnets that David used in his 45GD here:
http://rimstar.org/sdprop/haml45gd/h45gdavd/h45gdavd.htm

Yeah, my Hamel Inverted Cones project was my first time working with magnets and
I made it before visiting David for the first time. It turned out a mess but I learned a lot.
-Steve
http://rimstar.org/sdprop http://youtube.com/rimstarorg

-----Original Message-----
From: intuit0001 devrichards@...
Sent 3/18/2012 7:31:07 PM
To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [hameltech] Re: OT A shout out to visitors and lurkers.

Hiya gents, nice of you to reply, thanks very much. Even better to hear from two high-timers. I've been skimming topics starting from the beginning of this group and I know I've seen posts from both of you going back to good old 2000 AD.

Jeff, thanks for pointing me in those directions. I'm actually very familiar with the older stuff - Puthoff, Naudin, etc, although it's been a while since I reviewed any of it. The newer stuff from members here is very interesting. I like your comment, " 'Million dollar lab version' on a shoestring " - that sounds about right.

Steven, it sure is nice to click on your site link and have an actual website come up. The first couple thousand posts in this group are full to the brim with dead links. I've had to resort to the Wayback Machine most of the time.

Checking your site, your 'Hamel Inverted Cones' project looks very similar to my own long-gone attempt. I decided back then that I was building too small - that my device could not work on that scale with the sloppy tolerances I achieved.

You mentioned a hefty price for the right magnets - do you recall the specifications for them, by chance?

Uh-oh... I'm thinking about buying magnets... the wallet cringes, the wife scowls.

I'm also thinking about how I would approach this if I take it on. Full-on 45GD, or smaller scale. Bigger might be better, but I really like this project here in the file section:

http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/0ExmTzwm49qWN6yFxWbiIT7M7a3PNbgvnG_OXWMC1iyKmAGhZmmwYxmBG80RIs5-TKmlxO8k6g_ZCxnSdvHstUcRfnQN2Owl/gumboots2u/Dcp00552.jpg

There are more photos of it in the same folder. That embodiment has a lot going for it. The smaller scale makes it cheaper to build. It has decent documentation of specs here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hameltech/files/Tom%202/

Construction is straightforward (relatively speaking). And best of all, it has been verified to develop a physically detectable vibration. The written account of that verification is here in the group's files: http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/4FpmTw6FJ8i0hQ5lLAAyBfPImpBQ-bUYv5OCtVM06_4JGBiecsJM-OhWlnXUFT7Z5aQraF5wQZGT89kumMCg2piMr_T8hXQB/gumboots2u/Visit%20to%20Tom%27s

I'll admit I'd like to see a device implode, or explode, or levitate, glow, spark, or wobble. But a simple, sustained 'thrum' is really all it would take to make my day. To put it mildly. If that was my device, I'd have a pickup coil somewhere in those vibrating fields faster than you can say delta-H.

I'm still looking around, but as examples of success go I think this is as good as it gets. What do you think?

Cheers,
Dev in PA



#15196 From: "intuit0001" <devrichards@...>
Date: Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:50 pm
Subject: Re: OT A shout out to visitors and lurkers.
intuit0001
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Hi Jon, thanks very much for the excellent advice.  I agree that large scale
makes a lot of sense and I guess I'll be headed that in direction eventually.

But first, I'm gonna go the other way.  I've been looking further into that unit
I linked to earlier, and it has me hooked.  But since this is kind of a
hi-how-are-ya thread I'll start a new one that will be the beginning of my build
log.

Cheers,
Dev in PA

#15197 From: "intuit0001" <devrichards@...>
Date: Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:06 am
Subject: 11112: Alright, I'm going to build it.
intuit0001
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I've decided I'm going to give the 3cd another shot.  More than one, if
that's what it takes.  Be warned that I'm going to try to make the
record here as complete as possible, so my posts are gonna get
long-winded.  I type fast, so I can crank out a lotta babble right
quick.

I've been digging around in all the old info, here in the group and out
there in the interweb.  The device I linked to in the  previous thread
is still the best all-around example of success I can find.  There have
been more spectacular claims (implosion) made by other builders, like
Chris Felton, but none as well-documented.

The unit I'm most interested in was built by hameltech member Tom, last
name unknown.  He has a folder in the files section named 'Tom2', and
the other member who verified the machine's function also set up a
folder in the file section - folder named gumboots2u.

At the same time that Tom was reporting success, another member - Brian
Keohi was also reporting some success.    Unfortunately there seems to
be no independent substantiation of Keohi's progress, or text/photo
details of his construction.

Two more factors incline me to use Tom's device as the model for my own
project.  First, his posts reveal him to be an astute and patient
observer who explored this field with humble curiosity and intelligence.
Second, he was privileged to work personally with David Hamel in Hamel's
shop.  He wasn't the only one, I know.  But he's the only one I know of
who also had a device that actually did something *and* he supplied
significant documentation.

I should mention right now that I'm not at all certain what that
'something' was.  Tom describes the device as 'running' for two days.  I
take that to mean vibrating.  The mundane explanation for that would be
that Tom had built himself a well-balanced magnetic bearing that was
extremely sensitive to ambient disturbance, be it acoustic, thermal,
electromagnetic, physical, whatever.

If I was *really* skeptical I could take the position that the device
didn't even run for two days - but it was so sensitive that it
vibrated whenever an observer approached, thus giving the impression of
non-stop operation when in fact it was settling to complete inactivity
whenever observers left it alone.

I don't take that extreme position, but it has to be on the table as a
possibility if I'm gonna keep this project intellectually honest.

Of course another possibility is that the device was functioning as
intended, tapping some esoteric energy source and performing work - in
the strict sense of the word - oscillating the various masses involved.
I'm not convinced of this, either.  Just hopeful.

Unfortunately, Tom's project suffered the same fate of no follow-up that
is common here.  Which is strange, given the degree of success he had.
After reporting his success he posted regularly for a few weeks, then
went silent.  His last post was Sept. 29, 2001.  Now I'm not saying the
MIB with matching helicopters got him - my tin foil hat is not strapped
that tight.

I'm just sayin'.  Here's a guy who not only built one of the best units
around, but was dedicated enough to pack up his tools, including a
welder, and head on over to David Hamel's place to work in the shop.
That level of committment seems a little inconsistent with his silence
here, to say the least.  I don't know what this means, I just think the
oddness of it bears mentioning.  I'll leave it at that.

As for my own project/s, I'm going to try something a little nuts before
I go for  replication of Tom's device.  I understand that bigger is
better, but of course the downside of 'big' is that the price scales up
too, mostly in the extra magnet expense.  Well, I can handle that if
necessary, but first I'm going to try to dodge around that problem.

I wondered what I might contribute to this group that isn't already
here.  Now I know that the first thing will be an attempt at a micro
3cd.  Not mini - micro!  I haven't crunched any dimension numbers yet
but I'm talking about cones somewhere in the neighborhood of an inch in
diameter.

With a mill or lathe I could still achieve high precision at this scale,
of course.  Don't have those.  But I do have a decent drill
press and I think with a little planning and a willingness to toss parts
til I get a good one , I can nail tolerances of no more than a few
thousandths of an inch.  I also have a 40x stereoscope I can use to
inspect small parts to make sure they're perfect.

I'm aware that this is almost certainly doomed to fail.  But I can do
the whole thing with materials on hand, and I might learn a thing or
two.  Good risk/reward, in other words.   Also, whether I succeed or
fail, I will have a really cool desktop gizmo.  The equivalent of an
Elvis bobble-head for free energy geeks.  :)

Speaking of bobbling, I think the most challenging construction aspect
of micro scale will be the cups and balls in the base.  A tentative
notion is copper BB's for the balls, and maybe grind out some glass for
the cups.  Looking for other ideas on this.

I guess that's enough ramble for now.  Gotta break out my wee magnets
and micrometer and start working out dimensions based on Tom's plans.

Cheers
Dev in PA

#15198 From: Jon Munson <jmunson@...>
Date: Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:13 am
Subject: Re: 11112: Alright, I'm going to build it.
jmunsonii
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Namaste!

Micro sounds like fun.  I've always wanted to build the lightsaber, which is principled on this tech (oops, hope I didn't let a cat out of a bag, drat).

HOWEVER...

and not to cast doubts, etc., your way...

BUT...

You'll never get that to work with the knowledge we've got today.  The tech is just too small to deal with and keep it to ordinary building abilities.

Stick with the mini 3CD if you must, but don't go smaller.

The first issue you'll encounter with small size is the magnetic fields are simply too big - they overlap in the wrong way and will throw everything out of whack.

HOWEVER....

If you do decide to go for it, I'll cheer you on and watch for your results.

Peace, Love, and Light!!!


From: "intuit0001" <devrichards@...>
To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 8:06:05 PM
Subject: [hameltech] 11112:  Alright, I'm going to build it.

 

I've decided I'm going to give the 3cd another shot. More than one, if
that's what it takes. Be warned that I'm going to try to make the
record here as complete as possible, so my posts are gonna get
long-winded. I type fast, so I can crank out a lotta babble right
quick.

I've been digging around in all the old info, here in the group and out
there in the interweb. The device I linked to in the previous thread
is still the best all-around example of success I can find. There have
been more spectacular claims (implosion) made by other builders, like
Chris Felton, but none as well-documented.

The unit I'm most interested in was built by hameltech member Tom, last
name unknown. He has a folder in the files section named 'Tom2', and
the other member who verified the machine's function also set up a
folder in the file section - folder named gumboots2u.

At the same time that Tom was reporting success, another member - Brian
Keohi was also reporting some success. Unfortunately there seems to
be no independent substantiation of Keohi's progress, or text/photo
details of his construction.

Two more factors incline me to use Tom's device as the model for my own
project. First, his posts reveal him to be an astute and patient
observer who explored this field with humble curiosity and intelligence.
Second, he was privileged to work personally with David Hamel in Hamel's
shop. He wasn't the only one, I know. But he's the only one I know of
who also had a device that actually did something *and* he supplied
significant documentation.

I should mention right now that I'm not at all certain what that
'something' was. Tom describes the device as 'running' for two days. I
take that to mean vibrating. The mundane explanation for that would be
that Tom had built himself a well-balanced magnetic bearing that was
extremely sensitive to ambient disturbance, be it acoustic, thermal,
electromagnetic, physical, whatever.

If I was *really* skeptical I could take the position that the device
didn't even run for two days - but it was so sensitive that it
vibrated whenever an observer approached, thus giving the impression of
non-stop operation when in fact it was settling to complete inactivity
whenever observers left it alone.

I don't take that extreme position, but it has to be on the table as a
possibility if I'm gonna keep this project intellectually honest.

Of course another possibility is that the device was functioning as
intended, tapping some esoteric energy source and performing work - in
the strict sense of the word - oscillating the various masses involved.
I'm not convinced of this, either. Just hopeful.

Unfortunately, Tom's project suffered the same fate of no follow-up that
is common here. Which is strange, given the degree of success he had.
After reporting his success he posted regularly for a few weeks, then
went silent. His last post was Sept. 29, 2001. Now I'm not saying the
MIB with matching helicopters got him - my tin foil hat is not strapped
that tight.

I'm just sayin'. Here's a guy who not only built one of the best units
around, but was dedicated enough to pack up his tools, including a
welder, and head on over to David Hamel's place to work in the shop.
That level of committment seems a little inconsistent with his silence
here, to say the least. I don't know what this means, I just think the
oddness of it bears mentioning. I'll leave it at that.

As for my own project/s, I'm going to try something a little nuts before
I go for replication of Tom's device. I understand that bigger is
better, but of course the downside of 'big' is that the price scales up
too, mostly in the extra magnet expense. Well, I can handle that if
necessary, but first I'm going to try to dodge around that problem.

I wondered what I might contribute to this group that isn't already
here. Now I know that the first thing will be an attempt at a micro
3cd. Not mini - micro! I haven't crunched any dimension numbers yet
but I'm talking about cones somewhere in the neighborhood of an inch in
diameter.

With a mill or lathe I could still achieve high precision at this scale,
of course. Don't have those. But I do have a decent drill
press and I think with a little planning and a willingness to toss parts
til I get a good one , I can nail tolerances of no more than a few
thousandths of an inch. I also have a 40x stereoscope I can use to
inspect small parts to make sure they're perfect.

I'm aware that this is almost certainly doomed to fail. But I can do
the whole thing with materials on hand, and I might learn a thing or
two. Good risk/reward, in other words. Also, whether I succeed or
fail, I will have a really cool desktop gizmo. The equivalent of an
Elvis bobble-head for free energy geeks. :)

Speaking of bobbling, I think the most challenging construction aspect
of micro scale will be the cups and balls in the base. A tentative
notion is copper BB's for the balls, and maybe grind out some glass for
the cups. Looking for other ideas on this.

I guess that's enough ramble for now. Gotta break out my wee magnets
and micrometer and start working out dimensions based on Tom's plans.

Cheers
Dev in PA



#15199 From: Ole Jensen <ole_thor@...>
Date: Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:36 am
Subject: Re: 11112: Alright, I'm going to build it.
ole_thor
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Dev in PA,
I want to congratulate you on your decision to try something.
Not many people have. Mine is still in pieces and boxes waiting for time.

I think that everyone who has talked to Mr Hamel in the past about
a "mini" version of the 3 cone device can recall his response (note caps)
BUILD BIG!!! SMALL WON'T WORK!!!
He was very specific about that. The smallest he ever intended
was in a 45 Gallon drum (55 in the USA).

Tom was successful, but had some personal difficulties which prevented
him from continuing to communicate with us.

I know for sure that Steve Dufresne took his whole setup to show it to Mr Hamel
and they discussed it at length. I suggest that you look carefully at what Steve
did and documented.

I wish you luck in your efforts and keep us posted. There are a few people here
who have made progress and I think will help with whatever advice they can
from their personal discussions with Mr Hamel.

If you can obtain a copy of the book "The Word Made Manifest Through Sacred Geometry"
by Bob Thomas, it will help you a great deal.

Ole.

On 3/19/2012 8:06 PM, intuit0001 wrote:
 

I've decided I'm going to give the 3cd another shot. More than one, if
that's what it takes. Be warned that I'm going to try to make the
record here as complete as possible, so my posts are gonna get
long-winded. I type fast, so I can crank out a lotta babble right
quick.

I've been digging around in all the old info, here in the group and out
there in the interweb. The device I linked to in the previous thread
is still the best all-around example of success I can find. There have
been more spectacular claims (implosion) made by other builders, like
Chris Felton, but none as well-documented.

The unit I'm most interested in was built by hameltech member Tom, last
name unknown. He has a folder in the files section named 'Tom2', and
the other member who verified the machine's function also set up a
folder in the file section - folder named gumboots2u.

At the same time that Tom was reporting success, another member - Brian
Keohi was also reporting some success. Unfortunately there seems to
be no independent substantiation of Keohi's progress, or text/photo
details of his construction.

Two more factors incline me to use Tom's device as the model for my own
project. First, his posts reveal him to be an astute and patient
observer who explored this field with humble curiosity and intelligence.
Second, he was privileged to work personally with David Hamel in Hamel's
shop. He wasn't the only one, I know. But he's the only one I know of
who also had a device that actually did something *and* he supplied
significant documentation.

I should mention right now that I'm not at all certain what that
'something' was. Tom describes the device as 'running' for two days. I
take that to mean vibrating. The mundane explanation for that would be
that Tom had built himself a well-balanced magnetic bearing that was
extremely sensitive to ambient disturbance, be it acoustic, thermal,
electromagnetic, physical, whatever.

If I was *really* skeptical I could take the position that the device
didn't even run for two days - but it was so sensitive that it
vibrated whenever an observer approached, thus giving the impression of
non-stop operation when in fact it was settling to complete inactivity
whenever observers left it alone.

I don't take that extreme position, but it has to be on the table as a
possibility if I'm gonna keep this project intellectually honest.

Of course another possibility is that the device was functioning as
intended, tapping some esoteric energy source and performing work - in
the strict sense of the word - oscillating the various masses involved.
I'm not convinced of this, either. Just hopeful.

Unfortunately, Tom's project suffered the same fate of no follow-up that
is common here. Which is strange, given the degree of success he had.
After reporting his success he posted regularly for a few weeks, then
went silent. His last post was Sept. 29, 2001. Now I'm not saying the
MIB with matching helicopters got him - my tin foil hat is not strapped
that tight.

I'm just sayin'. Here's a guy who not only built one of the best units
around, but was dedicated enough to pack up his tools, including a
welder, and head on over to David Hamel's place to work in the shop.
That level of committment seems a little inconsistent with his silence
here, to say the least. I don't know what this means, I just think the
oddness of it bears mentioning. I'll leave it at that.

As for my own project/s, I'm going to try something a little nuts before
I go for replication of Tom's device. I understand that bigger is
better, but of course the downside of 'big' is that the price scales up
too, mostly in the extra magnet expense. Well, I can handle that if
necessary, but first I'm going to try to dodge around that problem.

I wondered what I might contribute to this group that isn't already
here. Now I know that the first thing will be an attempt at a micro
3cd. Not mini - micro! I haven't crunched any dimension numbers yet
but I'm talking about cones somewhere in the neighborhood of an inch in
diameter.

With a mill or lathe I could still achieve high precision at this scale,
of course. Don't have those. But I do have a decent drill
press and I think with a little planning and a willingness to toss parts
til I get a good one , I can nail tolerances of no more than a few
thousandths of an inch. I also have a 40x stereoscope I can use to
inspect small parts to make sure they're perfect.

I'm aware that this is almost certainly doomed to fail. But I can do
the whole thing with materials on hand, and I might learn a thing or
two. Good risk/reward, in other words. Also, whether I succeed or
fail, I will have a really cool desktop gizmo. The equivalent of an
Elvis bobble-head for free energy geeks. :)

Speaking of bobbling, I think the most challenging construction aspect
of micro scale will be the cups and balls in the base. A tentative
notion is copper BB's for the balls, and maybe grind out some glass for
the cups. Looking for other ideas on this.

I guess that's enough ramble for now. Gotta break out my wee magnets
and micrometer and start working out dimensions based on Tom's plans.

Cheers
Dev in PA


-- Ole Jensen

#15200 From: "tomcat" <tomcat_meow@...>
Date: Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:42 pm
Subject: Newbie
thomas_edwar...
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Hello, I see some action going on in here.  I've been scouring information on
the Hamel stuff and am intrigued.  Can someone point me in the direction of the
latest drawings and information to digest?

#15201 From: Jon Munson <jmunson@...>
Date: Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:49 pm
Subject: Re: Newbie
jmunsonii
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Namaste!

Check the files in the group, and also "The Word Made Manifest Through Sacred Geometry."  That's the latest & greatest. :)

Peace, Love, and Light!!!


From: "tomcat" <tomcat_meow@...>
To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 10:42:56 AM
Subject: [hameltech] Newbie

 

Hello, I see some action going on in here. I've been scouring information on the Hamel stuff and am intrigued. Can someone point me in the direction of the latest drawings and information to digest?



#15202 From: "intuit0001" <devrichards@...>
Date: Wed Mar 21, 2012 2:17 am
Subject: Re: 11112: Alright, I'm going to build it.
intuit0001
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Thanks Jon and Thor for the pointers.  Nice to hear from another long-time
member, Thor.  Seems there's still a spark of life in this group yet.

I am in agreement that a micro version doesn't have a snowball's chance, and I
can assure everyone that I'll get to the big stuff in due time, no doubt about
it.  This first round at micro scale is really just about getting my head back
in this game.  I don't expect it to work but I'm still going to build it to the
highest standards I can manage.  Just in case.

I'm going to take my time and try to get as much background info as I can for
each aspect of the build.  It's both amazing and frustrating to cruise through
the old posts here and see the work that was done and successes claimed.

It's driving me a bit nuts when the old posts talk about 'only' achieving
vibration.  As if somehow that wasn't enough.

I just want to point out, for the record - if anyone gets their device to
sustain vibration, or change air temp, or just puff a slight, constant breeze
without energy input of any kind...  Well that's it!  That's mainstream physics
turned ass over teakettle, the modern economy made obsolete, and nothing less
than the biggest leap in human evolution since we domesticated fire.

After that, squeezing real power out is just a matter of details and scale.

I don't mean to gripe too much, there's also a lot - a *lot* of hard work
represented by the ~15k of posts here.  Determination and dedication by the
truckload.  And generally a willingness to communicate and cooperate.  I'm
grateful for all of that, even when I'm fussin'.

Now I've gotta go figure out my rod material and design, and my cone
construction method, magnet mounting, adjustment mechanisms, dimensions,
balancing methods, etc... ya know how it goes.  I'll keep posting as I go.

Cheers,
Dev in PA

================================================

--- In hameltech@yahoogroups.com, Ole Jensen <ole_thor@...> wrote:
>
> Dev in PA,
> I want to congratulate you on your decision to try something.
> Not many people have. Mine is still in pieces and boxes waiting for time.
>
> I think that everyone who has talked to Mr Hamel in the past about
> a "mini" version of the 3 cone device can recall his response (note caps)
> BUILD BIG!!! SMALL WON'T WORK!!!
> He was very specific about that. The smallest he ever intended
> was in a 45 Gallon drum (55 in the USA).
>
> Tom was successful, but had some personal difficulties which prevented
> him from continuing to communicate with us.
>
> I know for sure that Steve Dufresne took his whole setup to show it to
> Mr Hamel
> and they discussed it at length. I suggest that you look carefully at
> what Steve
> did and documented.
>
> I wish you luck in your efforts and keep us posted. There are a few
> people here
> who have made progress and I think will help with whatever advice they can
> from their personal discussions with Mr Hamel.
>
> If you can obtain a copy of the book "The Word Made Manifest Through
> Sacred Geometry"/
> /by Bob Thomas, it will help you a great deal.
>
> Ole.
>
> On 3/19/2012 8:06 PM, intuit0001 wrote:
> >
> > I've decided I'm going to give the 3cd another shot. More than one, if
> > that's what it takes. Be warned that I'm going to try to make the
> > record here as complete as possible, so my posts are gonna get
> > long-winded. I type fast, so I can crank out a lotta babble right
> > quick.
> >
> > I've been digging around in all the old info, here in the group and out
> > there in the interweb. The device I linked to in the previous thread
> > is still the best all-around example of success I can find. There have
> > been more spectacular claims (implosion) made by other builders, like
> > Chris Felton, but none as well-documented.
> >
> > The unit I'm most interested in was built by hameltech member Tom, last
> > name unknown. He has a folder in the files section named 'Tom2', and
> > the other member who verified the machine's function also set up a
> > folder in the file section - folder named gumboots2u.
> >
> > At the same time that Tom was reporting success, another member - Brian
> > Keohi was also reporting some success. Unfortunately there seems to
> > be no independent substantiation of Keohi's progress, or text/photo
> > details of his construction.
> >
> > Two more factors incline me to use Tom's device as the model for my own
> > project. First, his posts reveal him to be an astute and patient
> > observer who explored this field with humble curiosity and intelligence.
> > Second, he was privileged to work personally with David Hamel in Hamel's
> > shop. He wasn't the only one, I know. But he's the only one I know of
> > who also had a device that actually did something *and* he supplied
> > significant documentation.
> >
> > I should mention right now that I'm not at all certain what that
> > 'something' was. Tom describes the device as 'running' for two days. I
> > take that to mean vibrating. The mundane explanation for that would be
> > that Tom had built himself a well-balanced magnetic bearing that was
> > extremely sensitive to ambient disturbance, be it acoustic, thermal,
> > electromagnetic, physical, whatever.
> >
> > If I was *really* skeptical I could take the position that the device
> > didn't even run for two days - but it was so sensitive that it
> > vibrated whenever an observer approached, thus giving the impression of
> > non-stop operation when in fact it was settling to complete inactivity
> > whenever observers left it alone.
> >
> > I don't take that extreme position, but it has to be on the table as a
> > possibility if I'm gonna keep this project intellectually honest.
> >
> > Of course another possibility is that the device was functioning as
> > intended, tapping some esoteric energy source and performing work - in
> > the strict sense of the word - oscillating the various masses involved.
> > I'm not convinced of this, either. Just hopeful.
> >
> > Unfortunately, Tom's project suffered the same fate of no follow-up that
> > is common here. Which is strange, given the degree of success he had.
> > After reporting his success he posted regularly for a few weeks, then
> > went silent. His last post was Sept. 29, 2001. Now I'm not saying the
> > MIB with matching helicopters got him - my tin foil hat is not strapped
> > that tight.
> >
> > I'm just sayin'. Here's a guy who not only built one of the best units
> > around, but was dedicated enough to pack up his tools, including a
> > welder, and head on over to David Hamel's place to work in the shop.
> > That level of committment seems a little inconsistent with his silence
> > here, to say the least. I don't know what this means, I just think the
> > oddness of it bears mentioning. I'll leave it at that.
> >
> > As for my own project/s, I'm going to try something a little nuts before
> > I go for replication of Tom's device. I understand that bigger is
> > better, but of course the downside of 'big' is that the price scales up
> > too, mostly in the extra magnet expense. Well, I can handle that if
> > necessary, but first I'm going to try to dodge around that problem.
> >
> > I wondered what I might contribute to this group that isn't already
> > here. Now I know that the first thing will be an attempt at a micro
> > 3cd. Not mini - micro! I haven't crunched any dimension numbers yet
> > but I'm talking about cones somewhere in the neighborhood of an inch in
> > diameter.
> >
> > With a mill or lathe I could still achieve high precision at this scale,
> > of course. Don't have those. But I do have a decent drill
> > press and I think with a little planning and a willingness to toss parts
> > til I get a good one , I can nail tolerances of no more than a few
> > thousandths of an inch. I also have a 40x stereoscope I can use to
> > inspect small parts to make sure they're perfect.
> >
> > I'm aware that this is almost certainly doomed to fail. But I can do
> > the whole thing with materials on hand, and I might learn a thing or
> > two. Good risk/reward, in other words. Also, whether I succeed or
> > fail, I will have a really cool desktop gizmo. The equivalent of an
> > Elvis bobble-head for free energy geeks. :)
> >
> > Speaking of bobbling, I think the most challenging construction aspect
> > of micro scale will be the cups and balls in the base. A tentative
> > notion is copper BB's for the balls, and maybe grind out some glass for
> > the cups. Looking for other ideas on this.
> >
> > I guess that's enough ramble for now. Gotta break out my wee magnets
> > and micrometer and start working out dimensions based on Tom's plans.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Dev in PA
> >
> >
>
> --
> Ole Jensen
>

#15203 From: "intuit0001" <devrichards@...>
Date: Wed Mar 21, 2012 2:27 am
Subject: Re: Newbie
intuit0001
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Howdy Bill and Tom, from another group newbie.

Bill I can't help you with the accumulator plans but if it's pyramid studies
that floats yer boat I highly recommend the work of Chris Dunn, and for some
amazing work in ancient Egyptian symbology, Laird Scranton.

Tom I second the advice to hit the files section here, there's plenty to absorb.
If you find yourself running into a lot of dead links to websites that no longer
exist, try running the old URL through the Wayback Machine and you'll often find
an archived version of the site.  Wayback is here: 
http://www.archive.org/web/web.php

Cheers,
Devon



--- In hameltech@yahoogroups.com, "baretale" <baretale@...> wrote:
>
> Hello all my name is Bill and I am new to this group. I came across
> Dave Hamel several yrs ago while doing research on the Coral Castle in
> Homestead Fl. I also have been doing Pyramid studies since reading the
> book Psychic Dicoveries Behind The Iron Curtain some time around 1966.
> I started sudying Magnetic Therapy when a friend gave me Rainbow In
> Your Hands, a book by Roy Davis, several yrs ago I discovered the
> Undergrond Science site on the internet. Which brings me to my question
> does anyone have the directions for making an Orgone
> Generator/Accumulator from a empty 35MM film case? I could of sworn I
> got it from the Underground science site. BTW I decided when I was
> 11yrs old to keep an open but skeptical mind about the world we live in
> and what we think we know about it. I am now researching the field of
> Chaos Magick. Thank you for your help. BTW. I have info on building a
> copper pyramid for meditation if anybody is needing one.
>

#15204 From: Jon Munson <jmunson@...>
Date: Wed Mar 21, 2012 9:45 am
Subject: Re: Re: Newbie
jmunsonii
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Namaste!

You could also see if this site has anything useful for you:

http://educate-yourself.org/dc/orgonegenindex.shtml

Peace, Love, and Light!!!


From: "intuit0001" <devrichards@...>
To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 10:27:24 PM
Subject: [hameltech] Re: Newbie

 

Howdy Bill and Tom, from another group newbie.

Bill I can't help you with the accumulator plans but if it's pyramid studies that floats yer boat I highly recommend the work of Chris Dunn, and for some amazing work in ancient Egyptian symbology, Laird Scranton.

Tom I second the advice to hit the files section here, there's plenty to absorb. If you find yourself running into a lot of dead links to websites that no longer exist, try running the old URL through the Wayback Machine and you'll often find an archived version of the site. Wayback is here: http://www.archive.org/web/web.php

Cheers,
Devon

--- In hameltech@yahoogroups.com, "baretale" <baretale@...> wrote:
>
> Hello all my name is Bill and I am new to this group. I came across
> Dave Hamel several yrs ago while doing research on the Coral Castle in
> Homestead Fl. I also have been doing Pyramid studies since reading the
> book Psychic Dicoveries Behind The Iron Curtain some time around 1966.
> I started sudying Magnetic Therapy when a friend gave me Rainbow In
> Your Hands, a book by Roy Davis, several yrs ago I discovered the
> Undergrond Science site on the internet. Which brings me to my question
> does anyone have the directions for making an Orgone
> Generator/Accumulator from a empty 35MM film case? I could of sworn I
> got it from the Underground science site. BTW I decided when I was
> 11yrs old to keep an open but skeptical mind about the world we live in
> and what we think we know about it. I am now researching the field of
> Chaos Magick. Thank you for your help. BTW. I have info on building a
> copper pyramid for meditation if anybody is needing one.
>



#15205 From: "intuit0001" <devrichards@...>
Date: Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:05 am
Subject: Re: 11112: Alright, I'm going to build it.
intuit0001
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This is a long post that you don't need to read, it's just for the record. 
Bottom line is that this is a description of how I will choose the number of
magnets to use, and then use that number to calculate a precise figure for the
radii of the cones and rings.  If you do happen to read through this, comments
and criticism are most welcome.

It all starts with a rough estimate of what size gap to use between cones and
rings.  This is accomplished with a sophisticated and elaborate procedure:  I
used one magnet to push another one on my desk in repulsion mode, and with a
plastic ruler I was able to get an estimate of the distance at which the
repulsion is strong enough to shove the magnet.

It ain't science, but it's close enough fer gubmint work.  It's just a way to
establish a baseline.

Distance between magnets shoving each other was about .75".  So that's the gap I
want between cone and ring, because at that distance they act strongly on each
other but the fields are not compressed significantly.  This is a Good Thing
because if I use a cone of 1.5" diameter I will have reasonable assurance that
the corresponding outer field of the cone will be fairly uniform.  I want nice
smooth fields because I suspect they will oscillate more easily if they are not
packed tightly together.  Consistent field strength should also ease the
balancing process.

Now I have a place to start in figuring out how many magnets to use.  Cone
radius will be about 0.75".  Magnet radius (they're round, disc magnets)
averages about 1/8", or 0.125".  Unfortunately they vary by a few thousandths of
an inch, from one magnet to the next.  No big deal at larger scale, but with
cones so small I'm going for max precision - so I have to measure each magnet,
and use those numbers to compute an accurate average.

For this description I'll use the figure of 0.125" magnet diameter.  I know the
cone radius will be about 0.75", but I need an accurate number based on a whole
number of magnets so I won't end up with a gap between them.  Time to break out
the trigonometry.  Wish I could insert a diagram here.

Taking the cone radius of 0.75" as the Adjacent dimension, and half the magnet
diameter as Opposite, I can use the equation Tangent = Opposite/Adjacent to
figure out half the arc spanned by a single magnet.  So, 0.0625/0.75 is 0.8333,
and the arctan (or tan^-1) is 4.3.  Twice that for the full arc is 9.527.

But that ain't gonna go clean into 360 degrees.  It gives me 37.787 magnets
which obviously isn't going to work.  But now I have a number of magnets that
puts me in the neighborhood of .75" radius on the cone.  Just gotta round up the
magnet count to 38, and recalculate for radius to get the precise dimension for
my cones.

360 / 38 = 9.474.  That's the arc I need each magnet to span.  To use trig for
this I use half that arc so that I'm working with a right-angle triangle.  So
the calc is  Tan 4.737 = .0625/Adjacent.  The result is 0.754", and that's my
cone radius.sa

Cone diameter is 1.5".  Cone to ring gap, 0.75".  So ring diameter is about 3",
but again I need to make sure the ring uses a whole number of magnets.  Same
process as before so no need to walk through it again.  Result is, actual ring
diameter is 1.431", which sets an arc of 5 per magnet, which means 72 magnets
will complete the ring with no gaps.

Again, these numbers are for show, to demonstrate how I'm making my choices. 
Actual construction figures will be very similar, but will depend on my
measuring each and every magnet and accounting for the slight variations in
their diameters.

That's enough ramble for now, I reckon.  Cone construction comes next.  I'll
post pics in the photo section when they're done.

Cheers,
Dev

#15206 From: joesmith@...
Date: Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:58 am
Subject: Re: 11112: Alright, I'm going to build it.
jsmth531
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Dev in Pa,,,Sounds like you have a handle on it already,,,I can understand

the need of  small models,,,have you given any thoughts to the WIS yet?

The reason I ask is that I saw a device that might work,,then again it,,,

might NOT work,,,watching it in action shure made me think of a WIS,,,

You   may rest assured the entire Hamel community is behind you.

Godspeed

Wildcat Joe in Texas




On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 06:36:59 -0400, Ole Jensen <ole_thor@...> wrote:

 

Dev in PA,
I want to congratulate you on your decision to try something.
Not many people have. Mine is still in pieces and boxes waiting for time.

I think that everyone who has talked to Mr Hamel in the past about
a "mini" version of the 3 cone device can recall his response (note caps)
BUILD BIG!!! SMALL WON'T WORK!!!
He was very specific about that. The smallest he ever intended
was in a 45 Gallon drum (55 in the USA).

Tom was successful, but had some personal difficulties which prevented
him from continuing to communicate with us.

I know for sure that Steve Dufresne took his whole setup to show it to Mr Hamel
and they discussed it at length. I suggest that you look carefully at what Steve
did and documented.

I wish you luck in your efforts and keep us posted. There are a few people here
who have made progress and I think will help with whatever advice they can
from their personal discussions with Mr Hamel.

If you can obtain a copy of the book "The Word Made Manifest Through Sacred Geometry"
by Bob Thomas, it will help you a great deal.

Ole.

On 3/19/2012 8:06 PM, intuit0001 wrote:

 

I've decided I'm going to give the 3cd another shot. More than one, if
that's what it takes. Be warned that I'm going to try to make the
record here as complete as possible, so my posts are gonna get
long-winded. I type fast, so I can crank out a lotta babble right
quick.

I've been digging around in all the old info, here in the group and out
there in the interweb. The device I linked to in the previous thread
is still the best all-around example of success I can find. There have
been more spectacular claims (implosion) made by other builders, like
Chris Felton, but none as well-documented.

The unit I'm most interested in was built by hameltech member Tom, last
name unknown. He has a folder in the files section named 'Tom2', and
the other member who verified the machine's function also set up a
folder in the file section - folder named gumboots2u.

At the same time that Tom was reporting success, another member - Brian
Keohi was also reporting some success. Unfortunately there seems to
be no independent substantiation of Keohi's progress, or text/photo
details of his construction.

Two more factors incline me to use Tom's device as the model for my own
project. First, his posts reveal him to be an astute and patient
observer who explored this field with humble curiosity and intelligence.
Second, he was privileged to work personally with David Hamel in Hamel's
shop. He wasn't the only one, I know. But he's the only one I know of
who also had a device that actually did something *and* he supplied
significant documentation.

I should mention right now that I'm not at all certain what that
'something' was. Tom describes the device as 'running' for two days. I
take that to mean vibrating. The mundane explanation for that would be
that Tom had built himself a well-balanced magnetic bearing that was
extremely sensitive to ambient disturbance, be it acoustic, thermal,
electromagnetic, physical, whatever.

If I was *really* skeptical I could take the position that the device
didn't even run for two days - but it was so sensitive that it
vibrated whenever an observer approached, thus giving the impression of
non-stop operation when in fact it was settling to complete inactivity
whenever observers left it alone.

I don't take that extreme position, but it has to be on the table as a
possibility if I'm gonna keep this project intellectually honest.

Of course another possibility is that the device was functioning as
intended, tapping some esoteric energy source and performing work - in
the strict sense of the word - oscillating the various masses involved.
I'm not convinced of this, either. Just hopeful.

Unfortunately, Tom's project suffered the same fate of no follow-up that
is common here. Which is strange, given the degree of success he had.
After reporting his success he posted regularly for a few weeks, then
went silent. His last post was Sept. 29, 2001. Now I'm not saying the
MIB with matching helicopters got him - my tin foil hat is not strapped
that tight.

I'm just sayin'. Here's a guy who not only built one of the best units
around, but was dedicated enough to pack up his tools, including a
welder, and head on over to David Hamel's place to work in the shop.
That level of committment seems a little inconsistent with his silence
here, to say the least. I don't know what this means, I just think the
oddness of it bears mentioning. I'll leave it at that.

As for my own project/s, I'm going to try something a little nuts before
I go for replication of Tom's device. I understand that bigger is
better, but of course the downside of 'big' is that the price scales up
too, mostly in the extra magnet expense. Well, I can handle that if
necessary, but first I'm going to try to dodge around that problem.

I wondered what I might contribute to this group that isn't already
here. Now I know that the first thing will be an attempt at a micro
3cd. Not mini - micro! I haven't crunched any dimension numbers yet
but I'm talking about cones somewhere in the neighborhood of an inch in
diameter.

With a mill or lathe I could still achieve high precision at this scale,
of course. Don't have those. But I do have a decent drill
press and I think with a little planning and a willingness to toss parts
til I get a good one , I can nail tolerances of no more than a few
thousandths of an inch. I also have a 40x stereoscope I can use to
inspect small parts to make sure they're perfect.

I'm aware that this is almost certainly doomed to fail. But I can do
the whole thing with materials on hand, and I might learn a thing or
two. Good risk/reward, in other words. Also, whether I succeed or
fail, I will have a really cool desktop gizmo. The equivalent of an
Elvis bobble-head for free energy geeks. :)

Speaking of bobbling, I think the most challenging construction aspect
of micro scale will be the cups and balls in the base. A tentative
notion is copper BB's for the balls, and maybe grind out some glass for
the cups. Looking for other ideas on this.

I guess that's enough ramble for now. Gotta break out my wee magnets
and micrometer and start working out dimensions based on Tom's plans.

Cheers
Dev in PA


--
Ole Jensen






#15207 From: "George T. Pantos" <gop6@...>
Date: Fri Apr 6, 2012 6:31 pm
Subject: Fw: [4DWorldx] happy easter folks
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#15208 From: "George T. Pantos" <gop6@...>
Date: Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:59 pm
Subject: The Betz Mystery Sphere: Alien Artifact or Doomsday Device?
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Saturday, April 21, 2012

April 21, 2012: Case Of The Empathetic Orb That Has Astounded Scientists - An Intelligently Guided Orb - Reported On By Prestigious Papers - Extraterrestrial or Earthly Technology ???

The Betz Mystery Sphere: Alien Artifact or Doomsday Device?
Posted: 21 Apr 2012 01:07 AM PDT

This bizarre, allegedly self propelled, seamless metallic orb was discovered by members of the Betz family in 1974, and rapidly became the object of fascination, controversy and alarm for scientists, military officials, ufologists and the general public as the story of this mystery sphere spread like wildfire through the international media.

On May 26, 1974, Terry Mathew Betz, a 21 year-old pre-med student, along his mother Gerri and his marine engineer father, Antoine, were inspecting the damage caused by a brush fire that had raged across an 88-acre swathe of woodland that they had recently acquired on marshy Fort George Island, which is nestled just east of Jacksonville, Florida.

At first the trio found nothing out of the ordinary, but before their expedition was over they stumbled across a peculiar highly polished, metal orb that was just under 8-inches in diameter. The only delineating mark that the three could find on the eerily unblemished object was an elongated triangular shape stamped into its surface.
Stunned, Terry and his parents wondered whether or not they might have stumbled across some kind of downed NASA or maybe even Soviet satellite.

Perhaps they even speculated that the friction induced heat of this object plummeting from its orbit might have had something to do with the fire that had ravaged the property, but none of them could find any signs of an impact crater or any indication of collision or heat damage on the gleaming metal globe.

The trio then surmised that it might be an “old fashioned canon ball, which someone had silver plated,” as a souvenir. Intrigued by this extraordinary find, Terry decided to heft the 22 lbs., bowling ball sized sphere into their car and take it back to their castle-like home, where he showed the unusual object to a 12 year-old relative named Wayne. He was just as perplexed by the mystery object as the rest of the family had been.

The young medical student then placed his strange prize on a window seat in his bedroom, and there the anomalous object remained, virtually forgotten, until approximately two weeks later when Terry decided to entertain his friend, Theresa Fraser, with an impromptu guitar recital in his room, eliciting some decidedly unusual reactions from this enigmatic orb.

THE MYSTERY SPHERE AWAKENS
According to Terry’s report, moments after he began strumming his guitar the metallic ball started to “vibrate like a tuning fork,” and began emitting a curious throbbing sound in response to certain notes. This sound was accompanied by what seemed to be an inaudible — at least to human ears — resonance that deeply disturbed the Betz family’s dog.

Days later, in the April 15, 1974, edition of the Palm Beach Post, Gerri Betz was quoted as saying: “There must be high frequency waves from it. When we put our poodle beside the ball, she whimpers and puts her paws over her ears.”

In the days that followed this strange performance, the Betz family began to notice some of the sphere’s other peculiar attributes. They observed that when the orb was pushed across the floor it would stop, vibrate for a moment, change direction (often more than once) and invariably return to whoever first rolled it. In one unprecedented circumstance it rolled for 12-minutes straight without a single pause!

As if this weren’t astounding enough, Terry and his family soon realized that the sphere — in defiance of all logic — appeared to be responsive to weather conditions; becoming noticeably more active on bright days as opposed to overcast ones, as if it were being directly affected by the solar energy. Although it was clearly influenced by sunlight, the sphere did not register any obvious changes when exposed to direct heat or infrared light.

The steel globe would also sporadically vibrate at a low frequency as if “a motor were running inside” and, just as intriguingly, had just one, relatively small, intensely magnetic spot on its surface.
Terry — displaying the kind of inquisitive instincts that all science students should — began to conduct a series of homespun experiments on the object.

His initial efforts were rudimentary and consisted of tapping the orb gently with a hammer, which resulted in a distinctly bell-like “ringing” sound, but it wouldn’t be until Terry placed the object on the flat, glass surface of his mother’s coffee table in order to display his unique find that things would get really interesting.
In one attempt after another, the smooth sphere would consistently roll right to the precipice of the glass surface, pause and then reverse its direction; only to stop again at the opposite edge and repeat the maneuver.

The Betz family began considering the possibility that this object was equipped with a sophisticated guidance system or was perhaps being intelligently controlled either from within or by some enigmatic external force. The family decided that the sphere almost certainly appeared to be striving to get safely to the ground without falling.

An even more bizarre event occurred when one of the family members decided to slant the table at an upwards angle and the orb began to spin up the incline utilizing its own momentum. This seemingly impossible defiance of the laws of Newtonian gravity left the Betz tribe thoroughly baffled.
While there’s no overt connection between the cases, it’s worth noting that during the summer of 1972, a similar (though not spherical) anomalous object plagued a group of teens who repeatedly managed to capture and lose a small, self propelled, evidently intelligently guided device over a vexing 4-weeks period in the Kera area of Kōchi City, Japan. The strange device came to be known as the Kera UFO. This object’s movements also defied logic and appeared to be motivated by self preservation “instincts.”

As if to further indicate that the sphere may have been harboring something (or possibly someone) sensitive within, it seemed to resist all attempts at being shaken by its human handlers. In the April 16, 1974, edition of Lodi, California’s News Sentinel, Gerri stated:
“If you shake the ball vigorously and then place it on the ground it feels just like a huge Mexican jumping bean, which is trying to get away from you.”
The Betz family became so concerned about the sphere’s clear ability to independently navigate its way around their home that they took to placing it in a sealed bag at night so that the object couldn’t escape. After days of watching the sphere perform these incredible feats, the Betz family decided that it was time to go to the public and try to find out just what it was that they actually had in their possession.
THE MEDIA FRENZY BEGINS
The first call that Gerri Betz made was to the local Jacksonville Journal. The Journal was intrigued by their story — 1976 was, after all, near the peak of the halcyon days of paranormal research — and they sent out a seasoned photographer, Lon Enger, to get the story and snap a few pictures. The skeptical Enger dutifully accepted the assignment, but secretly feared he might be stepping into a den of crackpots… he would abandon that theory soon enough.

When Enger arrived at the Betz home he was eagerly greeted by Gerri who wasted no time in presenting him with the sphere. Enger described the moment for the April 12, 1974, edition of the St. Petersburg Times: “I’m leery of this kind of thing. When I got there, Mrs. Betz said, ‘you won’t believe this if you don’t see it.’”

That was when the matriarch of the Betz clan instructed the still dubious Enger to give the ball a little shove across the floor. Here’s the event in Enger’s own words:
“She told me to put it on the floor and give it a push. It rolled a ways and stopped. So what? She said, ‘just wait a minute.’ It turned by itself and rolled to the tight about four feet. It stopped. Then it turned again and rolled to the left about eight feet, made a big arc and came back right to my feet.”
Enger examined the steel ball intently and, like the Betz family before him, could find no seams and no indication of a manufacturer on the surface; save for the inscrutable triangular symbol stamped on its side. As soon as the now converted photographer relayed his fantastic story to his editor, the paper wasted no time in publishing his account and within days a worldwide media firestorm was ignited.
Reporters from such prestigious publications as the New York Times, the London Daily and dozens of other papers from as far away as Japan called or traveled down to St. George Island to see this mystery sphere with their own eyes, but it wasn’t just journalists whose curiosity was piqued by this strange case. The scientific and military communities were also clamoring for a good look at this unusual object.

Representatives of the both the U.S. Marine Corps and NASA contacted the Betz family, as did UFO investigators representing the Aerial Phenomena Research Organization (APRO). The visitors often arrived skeptical, but almost universally left both impressed and perplexed by the sphere’s bizarre abilities.
A U.S. Marine spokesman even went so far as to admit on television that the ball had behaved strangely in his presence and conceded that he was unable to explain its origin. An official press release issued by Marines publicly stated that the ball was not the property of the United States government.

By this point Antoine had been forced to return to the sea on a freighter and Gerri and her children were swept up in a media maelstrom from which there seemed to be no reprieve.

The family, who had intentionally chosen an isolated place to live, had become overwhelmed by the press feeding frenzy and in the April 14, 1974 edition of the Palm Beach Post, Gerri was quoted as saying:
“We came to Fort George Island to get away to a serene atmosphere. Now I can’t get away from the telephone. It means nothing to people in the West that it’s midnight here. And when they quit calling those on the East wake up and start.”
DR. HYNEK AND THE SPHERE
At the peak of this frenzy, renowned astronomer and ufologist, Dr. J. Allen Hynek, requested that the Betz family send the sphere to his office at Northwestern University in Chicago so he could personally inspect it, but Gerri refused because she was warned that the one of a kind object might be seized or misplaced.

According to 1980’s, extraterrestrial omnibus, “The Encyclopedia of UFOs” by Ronald D. Story: “After notices appeared in the press Dr. J. Allen Hynek, of Northwestern University, requested that the ball be sent to him for examination. Subsequent callers, however, suggested to Mrs. Betz that trusting it to a public carrier would break the continuity and allow for interception, substitution, or ‘loss.’
Evidently this was an assessment that Dr, Hynek — who notably served as a consultant for, and had a cameo in, Steven Spielberg’s influential “Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind” — agreed with. According to a report published in the April 16, 1974, edition of News Sentinel:
“She [Gerri Betz] said that experts she has talked to at Northwestern University decides it would be ‘too much risk’ to fly the sphere to Chicago for examination.”
To the chagrin of scores of scientists and military officers the sphere remained firmly entrenched in the Betz’ home, and that is where the unusual object remained until a bizarre series of unexplainable events forced the family to wonder whether or not this outwardly innocuous orb was capable of channeling — and perhaps unleashing — supernatural forces.
THE HAUNTED SPHERE
Just when the almost unbearably hectic scene that surrounded the Betz house started to become almost routine for the harried family, things suddenly took a decided turn for the weird… or weirder, as the case may be.

Gerri Betz reported that she and her family began to hear strange organ-like music wafting through their cavernous abode in the dead of night, even though there was no such instrument in their home. As if that weren’t creepy enough, doors began slamming, seemingly of their own volition, at all hours of the day and night.

While the Betz family claimed that they weren’t afraid of the poltergeist-like forces that seemed to have invaded their home, this new development did cause concern for Antoine and Gerri who decided that it was high time they got to the bottom of this mystery. To help them achieve that goal they contacted…

THE UNITED STATES NAVY
Following a series of frightening nighttime disturbances, the Betz family finally relinquished the sphere to the scientists posted at the Jacksonville Naval Air Station. The initial efforts of the Navy metallurgists were met with dead ends as their X-ray machines were not strong enough to penetrate the orb. According to Navy spokesperson, CPO Chris Berninger:

Our first X-ray attempts got us nowhere. We’re going to use a more powerful machine on it and also run spectograph tests to determine what metal it’s made of… There’s certainly something odd about it.”

Eventually the scientists at the station were able to determine that the exact size of the sphere was 7.96 inches in diameter and that it weighed precisely 21.34 pounds. They also concluded that the shell of the orb was approximately one half inch thick — which, according to the report, could withstand a pressure of 120,000 pounds per square inch — and made of stainless steel, specifically magnetic ferrous alloy #431. This alloy is a magnetic, Nickel bearing stainless steel designed for heat treatment to the highest mechanical properties and corrosion resistance.
The Navy team’s powerful 300 KV X-ray also discovered two round objects inside the sphere surrounded by a “halo” made of a material with an unusual density. They also noted that the sphere displayed four different magnetic poles, two positive and two negative, which were not concentric.

The Navy also concluded that while the orb was intensely magnetic, it did not show signs of radioactivity and did not appear to be an explosive. At this point the Navy scientists wanted to cut into the object to get a better look, but Gerri Betz steadfastly refused; stating to the press:
“I told them we expect a comprehensive report in two weeks, and if it can’t be identified as government property it is to be returned to us.”
The Navy made good on their promise and returned the sphere, but lingering questions remained as to the origin and identity of the odd object. At this point the Betz family began to seriously consider the possibility that they were in possession of genuine extraterrestrial technology or an “alien bugging device” as the some of their neighbors dubbed it. According to Gerri:
“If no other explanation can be found that’s as logical as any… Who could say what’s on another planet, even speculations have been proven wrong. The Navy says what it isn’t. They say it isn’t an explosive. So we still want to know what it is.”
Berninger, of course, was hesitant to even entertain the extraterrestrial origin hypothesis, stating in April 15, 1974, edition of the Palm Beach Post: “I don’t know who manufactured it, but I say it came from Earth. We do know that it’s not explosive and presents no hazard.”

As assured as Berninger’s words seemed to be, this opinion regarding the supposed safety as well as the terrestrial origin of the sphere would not be shared by other scientists who tested the anomalous steel ball. The first of these men of science would represent the frankly insidious sounding…

OMEGA MINUS ONE INSTITUTE
On April 13, 1974, Dr. Carl Willson — representing a Louisiana research firm known as the Omega Minus One Institute in Baton Rouge, Louisiana — showed up on the scene. Dr. Willson examined the sphere for over 6-hours and discovered what Ottawa’s, The Citizen newspaper described as: “Radio waves coming from it and a magnetic field around it.”

Dr. Willson confirmed the Navy’s discovery of multiple poles within the sphere and claimed that this phenomenon was a “mind bender,” as the flux density of the field appeared to fluctuate in potency based on an as yet unidentified pattern. This, he claimed, defied the known laws of physics.

The good doctor evidently went on to suggest that the metal that made up the shell of the orb, while comparable to stainless steel, contained an unknown element making it slightly different from steel.

Dr. Willson also apparently witnessed the sphere’s ability to propel itself across surfaces and abruptly change directions, but “was unable to determine a pattern in the movement” or explain how that was even possible. One of the theories posited was that it might be a damaged extraterrestrial probe or perhaps even some sort of an anti-gravitational device.

In the end, the Omega Minus One Institute’s findings regarding the identity of the mystery sphere were just as inconclusive as the Navy’s, and the Betz family were no closer to the truth. It was be then that members of the APRO managed to convince the family that they might be in possession of evidence of the existence of extraterrestrial intelligence and as such were legitimately eligible to win the National Enquirer’s then $50,000 reward for…

PROOF POSITIVE OF UFOS
In the early 1970s, the editorial staff of the National Enquirer — and most other popular publications, for that matter — took a serious interest (at least in terms of profit margins) in subjects like cryptozoology, ufology and the supernatural.

On March 12, 1972, the publication offered an award of $10,000 for the “best scientific evidence of the reality of UFOs” and $50,000 to: “the first person who can prove that an Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) came from outer space and is not a natural phenomenon.” This already bountiful sum was raised to $1,000,000 by 1976.

While the Enquirer was considered by most to be little more than a supermarket tabloid, the publication took great pains to assemble what they referred to as a “Blue Ribbon Panel,” which consisted of noted scientists including Dr. J. Allen Hynek, Dr. James Albert Harder, Dr. R. Leo Sprinkle — who in 1974, was involved in the investigation of the infamous
Carl Higdon abduction case — biologist Frank B. Salisbury and State University of New York professor of philosophy, Dr Robert F Creegan.

Besides the Ph.D holders, the panel was rounded out by such esteemed members as a former Supreme Court Justice, a former Attorney General of the United States and a former New York Court of Appeals Judge. The heads of the APRO, MUFON (Mutual UFO Network) and NICAP (National Investigations Committee On Aerial Phenomena) were also on hand to form a sort of “mini panel,” that was in charge of deciding which cases would go before the primary panel.
The team came together once a year and was charged with the daunting task of designating the most legitimate cases of UFO encounters reported in the past year, as well as examining any physical evidence of said encounters.

It would be at the panel’s discretion to decide if any of this evidence represented incontrovertible proof of alien life and thus award its presenter the prize money. Up until this point the only winner was Durel Johnson and family who were involved in the renowned Delphos, Kansas UFO encounter, resulting in an intriguing series of photos, which won them $5,000 for “
scientifically valuable evidence on UFOs.”
TERRY AND THE SPHERE HEAD OUT
In 1974 the panel convened in New Orleans and the Betz family decided to send the mystery sphere to the event. While they no doubt hoped to become the recipients of the substantial reward, the family’s primary objective was to expose the sphere to these esteemed scientists who might be able to suggest what further analysis might be performed to identify the anomalous orb.

Terry was designated as the personal courier of the object and was sent to New Orleans with the sphere in tow. Needless to say, the mystery sphere became the center of attention and between April 20 and 21, 1974, the device was subjected to yet another battery of tests.

While the panel confirmed much of what the Omega Minus One Institute and the Navy’s researchers had already revealed — including the fact that that the object acted like an audio transponder — it could not discern the origin of the orb, but, as intrigued as the panel members were by the object, the fact that it had no direct connection to any UFO sighting negated any possibility of the Betz’s winning the $50,000 reward.
In the end, Hynek surmised that the object was likely man-made, although he conceded that he had no idea what it was or where it came from, but the orb also caught the attention of one of his Blue Ribbon Panel colleagues and this noted scientist’s investigation into the object would take a potentially terrifying turn, forcing him to ask:

IS THE SPHERE A DOOMSDAY DEVICE?
Dr. James Albert Harder — a professor emeritus of civil and hydraulic engineering at the University of California at Berkeley — became increasingly intrigued by the reports he was reading regarding the Betz sphere as was no doubt delighted by his opportunity to examine the object first hand.
Following the National Enquirer competition, the Betz’s allowed him to examine the globe, the results of which were disconcerting to say the least. Below is an excerpt from “The Encyclopedia of UFOs” that helps to illustrate the scene:

Dr. James A. Harder, the APRO’s consultant in civil engineering, commented that an X-ray of the sphere should result in a donut shaped presentation. However, the Navy X-ray showed two internal spheres after the 300 KV X-ray bombardment rendered the shell invisible. This indicates that the internal material is more dense than the stainless steel shell. Thus, a substantial portion of the weight in the internal material, and the shell could be much thinner than half an inch.”

If all of the above seems a little anticlimactic, then all one needs to do is read the final conclusions that Dr. Harder came to regarding the nature of the sphere and its internal contents. In an announcement made at the International UFO Congress in Chicago on June 24, 1977, Dr. Harder presented his truly astonishing, and utterly terrifying, findings regarding the Betz sphere. According to Story:
“He [Dr. Harder] asserted, based on his X-ray studies, that the two internal spheres are made of elements far heavier than anything known to science. While the heaviest element yet produced in any atomic reactor here on Earth has an atomic number of 105, and the heaviest element occurring naturally on Earth is uranium, with an atomic number of 92, Harder claims to have determined that the Betz sphere has atomic numbers higher than 140. If one were to drill into the sphere, he asserted, ‘perhaps the masses would go critical’ and explode like an atomic bomb.”
As if this weren’t potentially dire enough, Harder went on to warn the assembled audience of scientists and UFO investigators that any attempt to discern the contents of the sphere might unintentionally set it off… or, worse yet, offend it’s ostensibly extraterrestrial creators:
“Because of this danger, and because the object is still presumably under surveillance by its supposed alien makers, Harder warned the audience against any attempt to go to Florida to investigate the Betz sphere.”
It went unreported whether or not the Betz family concurred with Dr. Harding’s potentially apocalyptic conclusions, but it is difficult to believe that they were not at least a little anxious about the potentially devastating effects tampering with their family’s favorite “toy” might cause.

It is at about this time that the stories surrounding the mystery sphere (not to mention the object itself) seemed to vanish without a trace — at least from the public eye. This is baffling considering the fact that it was at just this moment that the tale became truly fascinating, not to mention possibly dangerous. As the years have slipped into decades, two primary questions have haunted investigators. The first unanswered query is …

WHAT THE HELL WAS IT?
The million dollar question is, of course: “Did Terry Betz and his parents actually stumble across an alien artifact that spring day or is there a more prosaic explanation for the whole affair?”

Some of the more mundane hypotheses proposed have ranged from the sphere beings an extra large ball bearing, to a paper mill valve, to a cryogenic storage device known as a Dewer flask, to a check valve used in a phosphate-pumping line, but it seems likely that any of the number of scientists and engineers who examined the sphere were likely to have ruled out any commonplace industrial tool.

Nevertheless, there is one mechanism that numerous researchers have glommed onto as the true identity of the orb; and that is that the sphere was nothing more than a…

SEA BOTTOM MARKER:
The fact both the Marines and the Navy denied ownership of the device is noteworthy; especially in light of the fact that in the years that would follow there would be numerous investigators — including UFO author, Roland D. Story — who would suggest that the object might have been a sea bottom marker, which was used to assist missile launching submarines by giving them stable points of reference for ballistic calculations.

According to Story: “The Navy’s failure to identify [the sphere] could be due to ‘need to know’ restrictions related to classified devices.” The inherent flaw in this theory resides In the fact that even if Berninger and his team did not have “top secret” clearance, the hoopla surrounding the discovery of this sphere, not to mention the reams of paperwork that would have been necessary to conduct these experiments with Navy personnel, would have surely set off some kind of alarm, even in clandestine circles.
The Betz family had already agreed to give up the device if it proved to be military property and it would have taken very little effort on the Navy’s — or the Marines before them, for that matter — part to keep the sphere in their possession if the technology were that sensitive, even if they wanted to keep the device’s purpose a secret. The flip side of this coin is that the Betz sphere might have been a piece of top secret (or maybe even extraterrestrial) technology and that the Navy replaced with with and exact replica, but that is pure speculation.

One should also consider the fact that Antoine Betz was a marine engineer. While he was not likely to be an expert on military tech, it would seem improbable that he would not have at least recognized the device’s maritime origin. So, assuming that this was not a ballistic reference marker, perhaps we ought to consider the possibility that the Betz family came across a…

STOLEN STEEL BALLS:
According to the April 23, 1974 edition of the Ocala Star-Banner, a sculptor by the name of James Durling-Jones claimed to have lost the orb when a cluster of them fell off the luggage rack of his Volkswagen bus while he was driving through the Jacksonville area near Easter of 1971 on his way home to Taos, New Mexico.

Durling-Jones asserted that he had gotten the industrial valve spheres from an anonymous friend who had procured the objects illegally. He further asserted that the rattling that the Betz’s claimed to hear within the sphere was due to the fact that the company that manufactured it had drilled holes into the object allowing metal chips to fall inside, before re-welding them shut.

This seems to fly in the face of the fact that none of the experts who examined the orb noticed any weld marks and that the X-rays seemed to reveal distinct structures within the object. His testimony is further cast into doubt due to the fact that the artist — ostensibly in an effort to protect his friend and his illicit activities — refused to name the company that manufactured his spheres, which might have put the whole business to rest once and for all.

While it seems as if the industrial angle may rest on shaky ground, there’s the distinct possibility that the sphere was another kind of artificial object, which may have plummeted from the loftiest of heights to the Earth below in the form of a…

DOWNED SATELLITE:
It’s difficult to claim that the Betz mystery sphere does not resemble a Sputnik style Soviet satellite with its antennas ripped off, or perhaps even a simplified version of China’s Shijian-1 experimental satellite, which was launched in 1971.

As tempting as it is to suppose that the sphere was a man-made byproduct of the space race, the fact remains that that there was absolutely no indication of a crash on the Betz property (save the brush fire) and no sign of any reentry burns on the object itself. These two facts alone would seem to entirely disqualify the notion that the mystery sphere was a terrestrially constructed, orbiting object.

So leaving behind both industrial and satellite theories let’s look at some less ordinary options, including the fact that the orb seemed to have an eerie resemblance to the oft report World War II aerial marauders known as…

FOO FIGHTERS:
Beginning in November of 1944, WWII Allied aircraft pilots began to describe frightening encounters with small, glowing, silver colored spheres in the skies over Germany and, eventually, the Pacific Theater.

These strange airborne anomalies appeared to follow the Allied planes individually and in clusters. They were able to maneuver around the planes at tremendous rates of speed and displayed astonishing dexterity.
Even stranger was the fact that these peculiar “machines” seemed to toy with the crew of these aircraft, causing a great deal of consternation among those aboard, but exhibit few (if any) overtly hostile actions.

These sightings were taken very seriously by the military brass, who assumed that these “foo fighters” were yet another new weapon conceived by Nazi scientists to turn the tide of the war, but soon it became evident that these bizarre aerial acrobats were also accosting Axis pilots. According to UFO researcher and professor of natural sciences at Western Michigan University, Michael D. Swords:
“During WWII, the foo fighter experiences of [Allied] pilots were taken very seriously. Accounts of these cases were presented to heavyweight scientists, such as David Griggs, Luis Alvarez and H.P. Robertson. The phenomenon was never explained. Most of the information about the issue has never been released by military intelligence.”
While foo fighter run-ins continued to be reported by pilots following WWII, reports had dwindled down in the latter half of the 20th Century, still it’s hard to turn a blind eye to the fact that the Betz sphere, at least on the surface, seem to be very similar to eyewitness descriptions of foo fighters. But if these round, glowing hummingbird-like objects are not to blame, then might this be some kind of…
ALIEN ATOMIC BOMB:
In his influential 1969, book “Chariots of the Gods?” author Erich von Däniken introduced the world at large to Robert Charroux’s theory that it might have been extraterrestrial atomic weapons that were responsible for the total destruction of the biblical cities of Sodom and Gomorrah as well as other ancient disasters. According to von Däniken:
Let us imagine for a moment that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed according to plan, i.e. deliberately, by a nuclear explosion.”

Supporters of the alien atomic bomb theory maintain that in the ancient past extraterrestrials — or, possibly, a lost civilization such as Atlantis — managed to detonate nuclear weapons on Earth. The venerated Hindu epic known as the Mahabharata even describes a “single projectile charged with all the power of the universe. An incandescent column of smoke and flame as bright as ten thousand suns rose in all its splendor.”
This, one must admit, sounds suspiciously like an atomic explosion and its resultant mushroom cloud. The Mahabharata also refers to great battles were fought with in the ancient past with airships and beam weapons, which resemble some modern reports of UFO technology.
Needless to say, mainstream academics dismiss this theory out of hand, but if (for the sake of argument) we entertain the notion that aliens were visiting Earth in the ancient past and occasionally waging war with our ancestors, then is it not possible that the potential doomsday device described by Dr. Harding might not be a more modern alien weapon that accidentally (or intentionally) fell into the hands of human beings? The premise is admittedly thin, but still intriguing in a science fiction sort of way.

The truth is that we may never know what the Betz mystery sphere was, but one sure fire way to try and end this enigma is to solve the second biggest mystery surrounding this device; and that is…

WHERE THE HELL IS IT?
When all the routine theories and wild speculations are put finally aside, the single biggest mystery that remains is — whatever happened to the Betz mystery sphere? In the years that have followed this strange series of events numerous other unfathomable orbs have plummeted to the Earth in such diverse places as Russia, Australia, Iraq and Alabama, but none have ever managed to capture the world’s attention quite like the Betz sphere.

Is Terry Betz, or one of his relatives, still in possession of the orb? Have its allegedly alien creators reclaimed it or has it long since been confiscated by the United States military? The latter would make sense if Dr. Harding’s warning about the object’s destructive potential proved to be true.

Sadly, following Dr. Harding’s dire forewarning in 1974, there’s been very little mention of the sphere in the media. Like many flash-in-the-pan curiosity stories, this one likely ran its course and the public’s interest was captured by some other passing fad before wrapping this puzzle up in any satisfying fashion.

Of course, there’s a chance that in the years following these bizarre events some accredited scientific institution inspected the mystery sphere and made a formal announcement regarding its origin, thus solving this enigma once and for all, but if that’s the case than there’s no public record of it anywhere that I’ve found.
In the end there’s a good chance that we will never know definitive origin of the mystery sphere, but There is the (frankly minute) chance that as you read these words, the irrefutable proof of the existence of extraterrestrial intelligence might be sitting in a cardboard box, collecting dust someone’s dingy basement just waiting for a curious child to discover its enthralling (and potentially apocalyptic) secrets.

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