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From: Derek <derekvr4@...>
Date: Thu Nov 26, 2009 9:36 am
Subject: Re: Re: question to the group..??

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On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 2:10 PM, yrrett55 <yrrett55@...> wrote:

The Hamel Generator as such cannot be replicated in a Government lab--they do not know how.

They have since crated the generators left for them by Mr Hamel, and have gone on to other things, However some members of this group and
also of others that come in from time to time and are still wanting to pick up the answer to, How does it work? They are referred to as
Detectors in that some are Human AND SOME ARE PROGRAMS SEARCHING.

If anyone were to build one, it would just vibrate at best just as in the moving picture sequence on this group--the strange look on this
fellows face is most unusual, I thought it was a hoax at first.

You are best to make Hamel spinners that are simple to make and to get the idea about weight into speed.

The Hamel incident was specifically to "get the idea across" of weight into speed, of what was possible and to try and galvanise the mind sets of those who could be bothered looking at it.

To make the devices is needed, and to do this is not a waste of time
at all as the learning processes are amplified, In a strange way every time you actually do something there is a change
inside yourself and also around you--it is referred to as learning
and if you could count success it would be 90% failure or 90%
learning before you got something right.The reason you ended up were you got something right is the result of all that has gone before, failures included.

So make Hamel spinners and show your friends at parties, your families and also the people where you work and know this was the
true intent of the "Hamel project" as was instigated by Hamel and his friends from space.
Making a magnetic novelty toy such as a spinner and selling it would
be perfect.

--- In hameltech@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <mikefurness2002@...> wrote:
>
> Diego,
>
> If you have a REAL generator, why are you bragging and not
> SHARING???
>
> The only way is total sharing, NOT vying to be the wealthiest man in the
> graveyard, because that will surely NOT happen!
>
>
>
> I was going to make a further post on spaceships, power, control, life
> support, maximum (stressed to) G forces in pitch, roll & yaw, control
> stability algorithm (based on C of G and centre of thrust and many other, my
> estimate, from full testing of engine to finished controllable and liveable
> space ship is something of the order of $100,000,000.
>
> However, I see the city fathers here have personal differences of opinion,
> and reluctance to share, so, they need to get straight first, just as you
> do!
>
>
>
> Care to share your PROVEN theories, power output, circuit diagrams, and
> certified test results?
>
>
>
> Surprise us all?
>
>
>
> Mike.
>
>
>
> Mike. J. Furness.
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: hameltech@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hameltech@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of DIEGO BRIBIESCA
> Sent: 29 August 2009 19:59
> To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I haven't been here in ages....Since David passed away the oportunity of
> meet him was close as I just finalized of period of special training , to me
> Dan the geometry is very usefull and significative and a sort of a shock to
> know that it will not work , one thing I know as im obtaining small amounts
> of free energy with a method base on the aztec information and my own
> experienced ...we must build big and with the correct materials, Tesla was
> right as well , -and as a great coincidence- the magnetic orientation does
> affected the pyramids and earth battery will be proof of this, im closed to
> a family related to an inventor whom experimented with this i had access to
> part of his data, I just will say that a consequence of this is the morse
> code and telegraphy but it was not considered important in its time, finally
> I have a generator able to put out energy for free , different from hamel's
> ....Then again it honor's his memory and the one of the aztecs and egyptians
> for it uses what mother earth freely provides, and they knew existed
> .....Yes Im the one whom was shocked by and olmec head finally knowing how
> this hapened.... Im fighting for what is right and a year from now a company
> will be born with my own generator set which will not pollute the
> environment
>
> Good luck to all
>
> --- On Wed, 8/26/09, Dan LaRochelle <danswaay@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Dan LaRochelle <danswaay@...>

> Subject: Re: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??
> To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 2:01 PM
>
>
>
> The 3CD is a WASTE OF YOUR TIME! Don't build it.
> Very few people know what they are doing and there have been nothing but
> failures over these past 10+ years.
> Most people think if the 3-Cone Device wobbles continuously they have
> success. NO.
> That is not what it is supposed to do, and besides you won't even get
> continuous movement anyway.
> You see, it is not the wobble but the air that matters and 99% of you out
> there won't listen anyway.
>
> The true message and technology of David Hamel is the ufo ship. Period.
> Nothing else.
> Don't waste your time and money with the 3CD (3-Cone Device)!
>
> David Hamel's ufo ship must be built first. Nothing else should be played
> with as it is just a waste of time.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dan LaRochelle
>
>
>
>
>
> George Pantos wrote:
>
>
>
> i for one wouldn't begin to build a full ship until we had the 3CD fully
> perfected and working.. at that point we would probably have to move to
> another facility to build the Galaxy Trinity and funding would come much
> more easily.. in the mean time i had envisioned more of a fully equipped
> metal shop for now, of course some u have already been working out of one..
> of course we could try and perfect some of the fabrication for the Galaxy
> Trinity in the shop until we move on to larger scale production..
>
> but i guess this is an old story.. i still say it will take a full fledged
> effort getting a 3cd to work, trying every possible permutation of design..
> much like edison went search for the right filament for his light bulb..
>
>
>
> but matt u definitely have the right idea.. of what i am aiming at..
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: demondoppel
> <http://us.mc452.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=demondoppel@...>
>
> To: hameltech@yahoogrou ps.com
> <http://us.mc452.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=hameltech@yahoogroups.com>
>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 11:17 AM
>
> Subject: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I, too, would be willing, but time and money are required here at home :)
> ....unless an act of God forced me to 'make it so'...Swine Flu anyone.....?
>
> It would be an honor to serve such a higher purpose and yet the only thing
> that truly worries me is that 'what if' gov't officials and others got wind
> of such a project!
>
> If it were done somewhere neutral and unaffected by outside 'powers that
> be', it may be worthwhile. David Hamel's land would have served a greater
> purpose if he had not released to his unknowing son! Too bad he didn't leave
> it to the most trusted and dedicated. Now, it just sits there, for sale.
>
> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
>
> One thing for sure, is that a great many of skilled people would need to
> come forward. Highly skilled would be preferred... .but as long as the will
> to accomplish is there, that is all that is needed.
>
> Skilled in many areas:
>
> Welding
> -TIG, MIG, A/O, Plasma etc.
> Stone Work
> -granite sphere making, cup making, diamond tooling (saws, drills, bores)
> etc
> Jig making
> -structural mechanics and all sorts of know how to make proper jigs for
> wings and all pieces of the puzzle.
>
> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------
> etc...etc... etc
> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------
>
> I watched a program about the M-1, yesterday, about the M-1 tank
> refurbishing facility in the U.S. (several of them). We would need,
> literally, a facility which is equivalent or at least on a proportional
> scale to carry out a daunting task of creating at least One Galaxy Trinity.
>
> We would also, need a R & D facility which would be doing all the sub
> components of the G.T., understanding everything.
>
> That would be "weight into speed", in which a total dedication to mastering
> all avenues of this methodology.
>
> Then, others could be 'bellows', 'wings'....' snares'
>
> A magnet dept, which looks after all magnets and handling and
> classification.
>
> Be creative. I guess the best thing for any of us, George, would be to
> pre-plan ever little nuance ahead of time.
>
> Of course, what is also needed the MOST, is total fundamental understanding
> of the 3 cone device.
>
> This knowledge would serve an absolute baseline for the ship. You'd need to
> know this stuff inside and out beforehand.
>
> So perhaps, many persons could be attempting 3CD replication as well, during
> the fabrication of the ship(s). All under the roof of one complex.
>
> BTW, we have all had the time to understand the 3 cone device. If you don't
> understand it now, then in order to begin a Galaxy Trinity project, one must
> know the 3 cone device beforehand. That would mean, someone or a group who
> has greatest understanding would thus teach all
> those involved, all the nuances they have learned.
>
> I could do it, as I have learned a great deal, but I am sure there are
> masters on here, who know much much more :)
>
> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --
>
> ORGANIZATION. ..paperwork and practical all at once. You do what you say.
> You walk the walk as much as talk the talk.
>
> It will take great leadership to make this happen.
>
> Don't let my post discourage any of you. This has been a goal of mine too,
> which has not manifested at all. The timing isn't right just yet.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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> 18:10:00
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#14862

From: "yrrett55" <yrrett55@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:10 pm
Subject: Re: question to the group..??

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The Hamel Generator as such cannot be replicated in a Government lab--they do
not know how.

They have since crated the generators left for them by Mr Hamel, and have gone
on to other things, However some members of this group and
also of others that come in from time to time and are still wanting to pick up
the answer to, How does it work? They are referred to as
Detectors in that some are Human AND SOME ARE PROGRAMS SEARCHING.

If anyone were to build one, it would just vibrate at best just as in the moving
picture sequence on this group--the strange look on this
fellows face is most unusual, I thought it was a hoax at first.

You are best to make Hamel spinners that are simple to make and to get the idea
about weight into speed.

The Hamel incident was specifically to "get the idea across" of weight into
speed, of what was possible and to try and galvanise the mind sets of those who
could be bothered looking at it.

To make the devices is needed, and to do this is not a waste of time
at all as the learning processes are amplified, In a strange way every time you
actually do something there is a change
inside yourself and also around you--it is referred to as learning
and if you could count success it would be 90% failure or 90%
learning before you got something right.The reason you ended up were you got
something right is the result of all that has gone before, failures included.

So make Hamel spinners and show your friends at parties, your families and also
the people where you work and know this was the
true intent of the "Hamel project" as was instigated by Hamel and his friends
from space.
Making a magnetic novelty toy such as a spinner and selling it would
be perfect.

--- In hameltech@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <mikefurness2002@...> wrote:
>
> Diego,
>
>           If you have a REAL generator, why are you bragging and not
> SHARING???
>
> The only way is total sharing, NOT vying to be the wealthiest man in the
> graveyard, because that will surely NOT happen!
>
>
>
> I was going to make a further post on spaceships, power, control, life
> support, maximum (stressed to) G forces in pitch, roll & yaw, control
> stability algorithm (based on C of G and centre of thrust and many other, my
> estimate, from full testing of engine to finished controllable and liveable
> space ship is something of the order of $100,000,000.
>
> However, I see the city fathers here have personal differences of opinion,
> and reluctance to share, so, they need to get straight first, just as you
> do!
>
>
>
> Care to share your PROVEN theories, power output, circuit diagrams, and
> certified test results?
>
>
>
> Surprise us all?
>
>
>
> Mike.
>
>
>
> Mike. J. Furness.
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: hameltech@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hameltech@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of DIEGO BRIBIESCA
> Sent: 29 August 2009 19:59
> To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I haven't been here in ages....Since David passed away the oportunity of
> meet him was close as I just finalized of period of special training , to me
> Dan the geometry is very usefull and significative and a sort of a shock to
> know that it will not work , one thing I know as im obtaining small amounts
> of free energy with a method base on the aztec information and my own
> experienced ...we must build big and with the correct materials, Tesla was
> right as well ,  -and as a great coincidence- the magnetic orientation does
> affected the pyramids and earth battery will be proof of this, im closed to
> a family related to an inventor whom experimented with this i had access to
> part of his data, I just will say that a consequence of this is the morse
> code and telegraphy but it was not considered important in its time, finally
> I have a generator able to put out energy for free , different from hamel's
> ....Then again it honor's his memory and the one of the aztecs and egyptians
> for it uses what mother earth freely provides, and they knew existed
> .....Yes Im the one whom was shocked by and olmec head finally knowing how
> this hapened.... Im fighting for what is right and a year from now a company
> will be born with my own generator set which will not pollute the
> environment
>
> Good luck to all
>
> --- On Wed, 8/26/09, Dan LaRochelle <danswaay@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Dan LaRochelle <danswaay@...>
> Subject: Re: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??
> To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 2:01 PM
>
>
>
> The 3CD is a WASTE OF YOUR TIME!  Don't build it.
> Very few people know what they are doing and there have been nothing but
> failures over these past 10+ years.
> Most people think if the 3-Cone Device wobbles continuously they have
> success.  NO.
> That is not what it is supposed to do, and besides you won't even get
> continuous movement anyway.
> You see, it is not the wobble but the air that matters and 99% of you out
> there won't listen anyway.
>
> The true message and technology of David Hamel is the ufo ship.  Period.
> Nothing else.
> Don't waste your time and money with the 3CD (3-Cone Device)!
>
> David Hamel's ufo ship must be built first. Nothing else should be played
> with as it is just a waste of time.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dan LaRochelle
>
>
>
>
>
> George Pantos wrote:
>
>
>
> i for one wouldn't begin to build a full ship until we had the 3CD fully
> perfected and working.. at that point we would probably have to move to
> another facility to build the Galaxy Trinity and funding would come much
> more easily.. in the mean time i had envisioned more of a fully equipped
> metal shop for now, of course some u have already been working out of one..
> of course we could try and perfect some of the fabrication for the Galaxy
> Trinity in the shop until we move on to larger scale production..
>
> but i guess this is an old story.. i still say it will take a full fledged
> effort getting a 3cd to work, trying every possible permutation of design..
> much like edison went search for the right filament for his light bulb..
>
>
>
> but matt u definitely have the right idea.. of what i am aiming at..
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: demondoppel
> <http://us.mc452.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=demondoppel@...>
>
> To: hameltech@yahoogrou ps.com
> <http://us.mc452.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=hameltech@yahoogroups.com>
>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 11:17 AM
>
> Subject: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I, too, would be willing, but time and money are required here at home :)
> ....unless an act of God forced me to 'make it so'...Swine Flu anyone.....?
>
> It would be an honor to serve such a higher purpose and yet the only thing
> that truly worries me is that 'what if' gov't officials and others got wind
> of such a project!
>
> If it were done somewhere neutral and unaffected by outside 'powers that
> be', it may be worthwhile. David Hamel's land would have served a greater
> purpose if he had not released to his unknowing son! Too bad he didn't leave
> it to the most trusted and dedicated. Now, it just sits there, for sale.
>
> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
>
> One thing for sure, is that a great many of skilled people would need to
> come forward. Highly skilled would be preferred... .but as long as the will
> to accomplish is there, that is all that is needed.
>
> Skilled in many areas:
>
> Welding
> -TIG, MIG, A/O, Plasma etc.
> Stone Work
> -granite sphere making, cup making, diamond tooling (saws, drills, bores)
> etc
> Jig making
> -structural mechanics and all sorts of know how to make proper jigs for
> wings and all pieces of the puzzle.
>
> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------
> etc...etc... etc
> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------
>
> I watched a program about the M-1, yesterday, about the M-1 tank
> refurbishing facility in the U.S. (several of them). We would need,
> literally, a facility which is equivalent or at least on a proportional
> scale to carry out a daunting task of creating at least One Galaxy Trinity.
>
> We would also, need a R & D facility which would be doing all the sub
> components of the G.T., understanding everything.
>
> That would be "weight into speed", in which a total dedication to mastering
> all avenues of this methodology.
>
> Then, others could be 'bellows', 'wings'....' snares'
>
> A magnet dept, which looks after all magnets and handling and
> classification.
>
> Be creative. I guess the best thing for any of us, George, would be to
> pre-plan ever little nuance ahead of time.
>
> Of course, what is also needed the MOST, is total fundamental understanding
> of the 3 cone device.
>
> This knowledge would serve an absolute baseline for the ship. You'd need to
> know this stuff inside and out beforehand.
>
> So perhaps, many persons could be attempting 3CD replication as well, during
> the fabrication of the ship(s). All under the roof of one complex.
>
> BTW, we have all had the time to understand the 3 cone device. If you don't
> understand it now, then in order to begin a Galaxy Trinity project, one must
> know the 3 cone device beforehand. That would mean, someone or a group who
> has greatest understanding would thus teach all
> those involved, all the nuances they have learned.
>
> I could do it, as I have learned a great deal, but I am sure there are
> masters on here, who know much much more :)
>
> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --
>
> ORGANIZATION. ..paperwork and practical all at once. You do what you say.
> You walk the walk as much as talk the talk.
>
> It will take great leadership to make this happen.
>
> Don't let my post discourage any of you. This has been a goal of mine too,
> which has not manifested at all. The timing isn't right just yet.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.71/2332 - Release Date: 08/28/09
> 18:10:00
>

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#14861

From: "George Pantos" <gop6@...>
Date: Sun Nov 8, 2009 5:48 pm
Subject: Stars: Cosmic road signs to intelligent aliens?

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Stars: Cosmic road signs to intelligent aliens?

Stars must have lifetimes greater than time required for that life to evolve

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Stars like our sun may be the most likely to harbor intelligent life in the galaxy.

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By Clara Moskowitz

updated 12:38 p.m. ET, Thurs., Nov . 5, 2009

When scientists search the heavens for habitable worlds beyond Earth, they don't necessarily know what to look for. A new study has found that the most probable place to find intelligent life in the galaxy is around stars with roughly the mass of the sun, and surface temperatures between 5,300 and 6,000 Kelvin (9,100 and 10,300 degrees Fahrenheit) — in fact, stars very similar to our own sun.

Learning that sun-like stars are good candidates for life may not sound surprising, but it isn't always what scientists have thought.

"The principle of mediocrity says that, barring any evidence to the contrary, our observations should be typical among those of all intelligent observers," said researcher Daniel Whitmire, a physicist at the University of Louisiana at Lafayette. "But the typical star is not like the sun —the typical star is a low mass star. We don't find ourselves around a typical star and we show the reason why in this paper. Our results confirm the principle of mediocrity as applied to the sun."

Sun-like stars are actually a minority in the galaxy — 93 percent of stars in the Milky Way are less massive, less luminous and cooler than the sun. Though the typical star in the galaxy weighs between one-tenth and half the mass of the sun, life is more likely to be found around the more unusual variety of stars like our own, the researchers found.

To make their calculation, Whitmire and colleague John Matese combined models of how planets form with data on the distribution of stars in the galaxy as a function of mass. The planet models show when worlds are most likely to form in the habitable zone — a Goldilocks region around a star in which a planet would be just right for life - not too close that its surface would be boiling, and not too far that it would be frigid either. Planets in the habitable zone are the best candidates for having liquid water, which is thought to be a prerequisite of life.

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In general, the planet-formation theories predict that more massive stars are the most likely to have planets in the habitable zone. So the larger a parent star is, the more likely its planets will have environments conducive to life.

But this advantage of larger stars is counteracted by the fact that more massive stars are less abundant — there are fewer big stars out there. In addition, the more massive a star is, the shorter its lifetime. That makes it hard to find very massive stars that have lived long enough for complex life to develop.

The researchers weighed these factors against each other to calculate the distribution of stars most likely to host thinking, living creatures. "It's a tradeoff between the numbers of stars out there and the probability of habitable planet formation increasing with mass." Whitmire said. "We show it's no accident we find ourselves around a star like the sun." The distinction between habitable planets and planets harboring intelligent life is based on the fact that intelligent life requires stars with lifetimes greater than the time required for intelligence to evolve. For example, in the case of this solar system, we could not find ourselves around a star with a lifetime less than 4.5 billion years.

Indeed, sun-like stars seem to have the right balance: They are of high enough mass that they are more likely to host habitable planets, but they are of low enough mass that they live long enough for intelligent life to develop, and are not extremely scarce. Whitmire estimates that 10 percent of the Milky Way's stars might fall into the category they've outlined. This would still leave over 10 billion candidate stars in the Milky Way alone.

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The results mitigate the most commonly used argument that intelligent life must be extremely rare, Whitmire said. This idea, based on the anthropic principle, was outlined by astrophysicist Brandon Carter. There is an approximate coincidence between the time it took intelligence to evolve on Earth and the lifetime of the sun. Assuming these two timescales are independent, this coincidence makes sense if intelligent life is extremely improbable, Carter argued. In most cases, he claimed, the time it takes for intelligent life to emerge is much longer than the portion of a star's existence that is conducive to such life.

"In the paper we explain one number in the coincidence — why the lifetime of the sun is what it is," Whitmire said. "The additional assumption necessary to counter the Carter argument is that intelligent life requires at least a few billion years to evolve, as expected if we are typical."

The study is detailed in the September 2009 issue of the Astrobiology Journal.

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