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#14783 From: "Renato Cezar" <renlac10@...>
Date: Mon Jun 22, 2009 4:05 pm
Subject: Justin Szymanek Site?
sirage2
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Hello Everyone!

Greetings!

Please,do you know where is Justin's site Pharaoh Vodka, or any mirror of it?
Seems to be no more at
http://www.geocities.com/aupyramid/aup.html
or at
http://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/undergsci/

Thank you very much!

Renato

#14784 From: Steven Dufresne <stevend@...>
Date: Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:16 pm
Subject: Re: Justin Szymanek Site?
stevendpe
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I don't know if Justin is still monitoring this group but it
looks like he took down his main website too:
   http://www.geocities.com/undergsci/
Now it just references this group.
-Steve
http://rimstar.org   http://wsminfo.org

Renato Cezar wrote:
> Hello Everyone!
>
> Greetings!
>
> Please,do you know where is Justin's site Pharaoh Vodka, or any mirror of it?
Seems to be no more at
> http://www.geocities.com/aupyramid/aup.html
> or at
> http://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/undergsci/
>
> Thank you very much!
>
> Renato

#14785 From: "jszymanek2000" <jszymanek2000@...>
Date: Tue Jun 23, 2009 12:10 am
Subject: Re: Justin Szymanek Site?
jszymanek2000
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I took my site down a while ago because I was no longer happy with it and I do
not have the time to properly manage the site and deal with the emails it
attracts.

I am still unsure if the Pyramid method is generating tiny amounts of ormes or
if it is a imprinting process. I have been able to get a super thin oil film but
never the white powder some claimed to have generated.

If you have any questions email me, this group is not really for discussing
pyramid energy.

Justin


--- In hameltech@yahoogroups.com, "Renato Cezar" <renlac10@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone!
>
> Greetings!
>
> Please,do you know where is Justin's site Pharaoh Vodka, or any mirror of it?
Seems to be no more at
> http://www.geocities.com/aupyramid/aup.html
> or at
> http://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/undergsci/
>
> Thank you very much!
>
> Renato
>

#14786 From: "Renato Cezar" <renlac10@...>
Date: Tue Jun 23, 2009 1:27 am
Subject: Re: Justin Szymanek Site?
sirage2
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Thank you very much, Steve and Justin!

#14787 From: "George Pantos" <gop6@...>
Date: Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:29 pm
Subject: Secret Symbols of the Rosicrucians
georgepantos
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#14788 From: "George Pantos" <gop6@...>
Date: Tue Aug 25, 2009 3:48 am
Subject: question to the group..??
georgepantos
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if i were able to secure a large/sizable grant, who would be willing to move to detroit and work in a fringe science facility to develop some of these ideas into a major breakthru.. like edison we would try every permutation of design to get the lightbulb into a working prototype.. like edison's Menlo Park.. I want and insist it be located here in Detroit, because with the failure of the automobile industry we need a new breakthru technology to return prosperity to the region.. in the meantime as a research facility we would be able to employ quite a few people..
to give u an idea, there would not be much money in the way of salaries, but i was hoping people would do it for the mere love and interest of the pursuit, and be content with something like $30,000 or $50,000 a year depending on their capacity..  we would have enough funds to pay for the material and tools.. such as the granite and cutting tools.. obviously plenty of expertise would be needed in a number of  different fields and capacities.  i for one only want to work part time so i can remain creative, so anybody who is steady enough to handle some managerial work full time would be a welcome help.. anyway i thought i'd run it by u guys..
 
primarily we would research hamel and kosul devices.. but also any other promising ideas. depending on the size of the grant, and the number and expertise of the people working in that  specific area..  we could call it a fringe science research facility..

#14789 From: "tonytetryl" <tonytetryl@...>
Date: Tue Aug 25, 2009 9:57 am
Subject: Re: question to the group..??
tonytetryl
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hi group.

"if i were able to secure a large/sizable grant"--george, this
part makes me really worried. it makes me to speculate on things.
please, please dont take out any kind
of a loan against licensing the discoveries or working prototypes.
this road can give results fast, but in the end no one will be happy.
dont get me wrong, i really appreciate the initiative and please forgive me if i
may sound too negative here! i dont intend to, i just
gave a lot of thought on a similar idea and i have arrived at a few key points.
money and licensing go hand in hand. before i would even dare to
realise such a feature i would study for a long time how the major
open source projects keep themselves afloat. why? because they have results that
truly satisfies the people on the bottom of the chain and
they dont answer to a ruling power except the satisfaction of their users.
whoever makes such efforts hase to make sure that the licensing under they
operate are truly, truly is in the best interest of every individual in the
universe (not just planet erath, in other words it gives people knowledge
therefore elevating their consciousness so that they be able to use this as they
intended) and that how they handle funds is allways transparent, smart, aiding
the physical realisation of their ideas while at the same time if funds are gone
the gained knowledge is still available to everyone.
i stop here and apologise once more for disturbing the buzz, i really want this
to happen!
but in a smart way. i mean, a very, very smart way.
regards
greg

#14790 From: "George Pantos" <gop6@...>
Date: Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:24 pm
Subject: Re: Re: question to the group..??
georgepantos
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yep. i agree that's why i was holding off.. but realistically to do this funding might be needed.. as far as licensing goes, i have no idea, first of all somebody will have to make this like GM makes cars so unless u want to restructure the way our whole economic system is based then i think somewhere down the line money and licensing will be involved.. like i said i want no part of this, unfortunately we would probably have to have some lawyers involved who i don't always like to deal with.. hopefully some of u guys will help me with this part.. i mean it is a group effort, and some chores would need to be done on a time to time basis. as for the grant, that is my secret.. i might be able to pull it off in a manner that i am comfortable with..
----- Original Message -----
From: tonytetryl
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:57 AM
Subject: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??

 

hi group.

"if i were able to secure a large/sizable grant"--george, this
part makes me really worried. it makes me to speculate on things.
please, please dont take out any kind
of a loan against licensing the discoveries or working prototypes.
this road can give results fast, but in the end no one will be happy.
dont get me wrong, i really appreciate the initiative and please forgive me if i may sound too negative here! i dont intend to, i just
gave a lot of thought on a similar idea and i have arrived at a few key points.
money and licensing go hand in hand. before i would even dare to
realise such a feature i would study for a long time how the major
open source projects keep themselves afloat. why? because they have results that truly satisfies the people on the bottom of the chain and
they dont answer to a ruling power except the satisfaction of their users.
whoever makes such efforts hase to make sure that the licensing under they operate are truly, truly is in the best interest of every individual in the universe (not just planet erath, in other words it gives people knowledge therefore elevating their consciousness so that they be able to use this as they intended) and that how they handle funds is allways transparent, smart, aiding the physical realisation of their ideas while at the same time if funds are gone the gained knowledge is still available to everyone.
i stop here and apologise once more for disturbing the buzz, i really want this to happen!
but in a smart way. i mean, a very, very smart way.
regards
greg


#14791 From: "Jon C. Munson II" <jmunson@...>
Date: Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:44 pm
Subject: RE: Re: question to the group..??
jmunsonii
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A restructuring of the economy is indeed underway (the collapses you are seeing are symptoms of such) – there is still further to go.  You are on the right track with the “for the love of it” part – moving forward, the licensing/greed will not fly.

 

Stay “pure” in intent, etc., and your venture will ultimately succeed, even though in the short term it may appear otherwise (due to the ongoing mandatory changes).

 

Peace, Love, and Light,

 

Jon C. Munson II

"And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible." [Mark 10:27; KJV]

I sign "Peace, Love, and Light" for at least two reasons.  First, it is my truest desire for this planet and her people to live in Peace, with Love, and in the Light of God.  Second, to be an Ascended Master, one must Be.  As I wish to Be an Ascended Master (someday if not sooner), I must also Be - thus I choose to Be Peace, Love, and Light as much as I can for everyone and am therefore reflecting those thoughts to you.

 

From: hameltech@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hameltech@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George Pantos
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:25 AM
To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??

 

 

yep. i agree that's why i was holding off.. but realistically to do this funding might be needed.. as far as licensing goes, i have no idea, first of all somebody will have to make this like GM makes cars so unless u want to restructure the way our whole economic system is based then i think somewhere down the line money and licensing will be involved.. like i said i want no part of this, unfortunately we would probably have to have some lawyers involved who i don't always like to deal with.. hopefully some of u guys will help me with this part.. i mean it is a group effort, and some chores would need to be done on a time to time basis. as for the grant, that is my secret.. i might be able to pull it off in a manner that i am comfortable with..

----- Original Message -----

From: tonytetryl

Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:57 AM

Subject: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??

 

 

hi group.

"if i were able to secure a large/sizable grant"--george, this
part makes me really worried. it makes me to speculate on things.
please, please dont take out any kind
of a loan against licensing the discoveries or working prototypes.
this road can give results fast, but in the end no one will be happy.
dont get me wrong, i really appreciate the initiative and please forgive me if i may sound too negative here! i dont intend to, i just
gave a lot of thought on a similar idea and i have arrived at a few key points.
money and licensing go hand in hand. before i would even dare to
realise such a feature i would study for a long time how the major
open source projects keep themselves afloat. why? because they have results that truly satisfies the people on the bottom of the chain and
they dont answer to a ruling power except the satisfaction of their users.
whoever makes such efforts hase to make sure that the licensing under they operate are truly, truly is in the best interest of every individual in the universe (not just planet erath, in other words it gives people knowledge therefore elevating their consciousness so that they be able to use this as they intended) and that how they handle funds is allways transparent, smart, aiding the physical realisation of their ideas while at the same time if funds are gone the gained knowledge is still available to everyone.
i stop here and apologise once more for disturbing the buzz, i really want this to happen!
but in a smart way. i mean, a very, very smart way.
regards
greg


#14792 From: "Mike" <mikefurness2002@...>
Date: Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:58 pm
Subject: RE: Re: question to the group..??
mikefurness2002
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Hi Greg,

            Thank you for your insight, I also am aware of all the shortfalls, been there, got fingers burnt!

I do have an HONEST investor as a very good friend, who will give / support for the benefit of all mankind!

 

There is only one very big hurdle, which he and I have learnt through losses to Charlatans!

 

IF you cannot demonstrate any working device, on neutral territory, then the answer will be ‘Sorry……..!’

Proceeding to the “entrepreneur” level, the greater the risk, the less you will be able to retain, and usually, in any unprovable situation, will want part of your hide before you start!

 

IF you can find a ‘charitable’ millionaire, who GIVES freely without wanting any share for himself, then you are indeed blessed.

 

They DO exist, but most have given money to fraudsters, and are reluctant to give more!

 

SO, is the group as a whole able to demonstrate at least one inexplicable ‘event?’

 

I spent a considerable amount of time many years ago, and got NOTHING, however, I believe David Hamel implicitly!

It’s a great pity that David chose NOT to teach how to do & correcting mistakes. Now I have to place the works of David in the same category as keeley, even after 100 years, none can reproduce!

 

It would be very nice to be proven wrong!!!

 

Mike.

 

Mike. J. Furness

 


From: hameltech@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hameltech@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tonytetryl
Sent: 25 August 2009 10:57
To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??

 

 

hi group.

"if i were able to secure a large/sizable grant"--george, this
part makes me really worried. it makes me to speculate on things.
please, please dont take out any kind
of a loan against licensing the discoveries or working prototypes.
this road can give results fast, but in the end no one will be happy.
dont get me wrong, i really appreciate the initiative and please forgive me if i may sound too negative here! i dont intend to, i just
gave a lot of thought on a similar idea and i have arrived at a few key points.
money and licensing go hand in hand. before i would even dare to
realise such a feature i would study for a long time how the major
open source projects keep themselves afloat. why? because they have results that truly satisfies the people on the bottom of the chain and
they dont answer to a ruling power except the satisfaction of their users.
whoever makes such efforts hase to make sure that the licensing under they operate are truly, truly is in the best interest of every individual in the universe (not just planet erath, in other words it gives people knowledge therefore elevating their consciousness so that they be able to use this as they intended) and that how they handle funds is allways transparent, smart, aiding the physical realisation of their ideas while at the same time if funds are gone the gained knowledge is still available to everyone.
i stop here and apologise once more for disturbing the buzz, i really want this to happen!
but in a smart way. i mean, a very, very smart way.
regards
greg

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#14793 From: "George Pantos" <gop6@...>
Date: Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:16 pm
Subject: Re: Re: question to the group..??
georgepantos
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no no no that is unrealistic.. first of all if we have energy that is pennies on the dollar the economy won't collapse.. and if u want a great depression.. then u have no idea what u're talking about..  i won't go on.. i just want to know if i there is an interest out there in creating a center/facility here in detroit, and if some of u all who a have a passion for this want to participate and try out your ideas with proper funding..  if we work off eachother perhaps each of our contributions will make this succeed.. a mini manhattan project if u so will..  done without minimal outside interference..
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:44 AM
Subject: RE: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??

 

A restructuring of the economy is indeed underway (the collapses you are seeing are symptoms of such) – there is still further to go.  You are on the right track with the “for the love of it” part – moving forward, the licensing/greed will not fly.

Stay “pure” in intent, etc., and your venture will ultimately succeed, even though in the short term it may appear otherwise (due to the ongoing mandatory changes).

Peace, Love, and Light,

Jon C. Munson II

"And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible." [Mark 10:27; KJV]

I sign "Peace, Love, and Light" for at least two reasons.  First, it is my truest desire for this planet and her people to live in Peace, with Love, and in the Light of God.  Second, to be an Ascended Master, one must Be.  As I wish to Be an Ascended Master (someday if not sooner), I must also Be - thus I choose to Be Peace, Love, and Light as much as I can for everyone and am therefore reflecting those thoughts to you.

From: hameltech@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hameltech@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George Pantos
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:25 AM
To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??

 

yep. i agree that's why i was holding off.. but realistically to do this funding might be needed.. as far as licensing goes, i have no idea, first of all somebody will have to make this like GM makes cars so unless u want to restructure the way our whole economic system is based then i think somewhere down the line money and licensing will be involved.. like i said i want no part of this, unfortunately we would probably have to have some lawyers involved who i don't always like to deal with.. hopefully some of u guys will help me with this part.. i mean it is a group effort, and some chores would need to be done on a time to time basis. as for the grant, that is my secret.. i might be able to pull it off in a manner that i am comfortable with..

----- Original Message -----

From: tonytetryl

Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:57 AM

Subject: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??

 

hi group.

"if i were able to secure a large/sizable grant"--george, this
part makes me really worried. it makes me to speculate on things.
please, please dont take out any kind
of a loan against licensing the discoveries or working prototypes.
this road can give results fast, but in the end no one will be happy.
dont get me wrong, i really appreciate the initiative and please forgive me if i may sound too negative here! i dont intend to, i just
gave a lot of thought on a similar idea and i have arrived at a few key points.
money and licensing go hand in hand. before i would even dare to
realise such a feature i would study for a long time how the major
open source projects keep themselves afloat. why? because they have results that truly satisfies the people on the bottom of the chain and
they dont answer to a ruling power except the satisfaction of their users.
whoever makes such efforts hase to make sure that the licensing under they operate are truly, truly is in the best interest of every individual in the universe (not just planet erath, in other words it gives people knowledge therefore elevating their consciousness so that they be able to use this as they intended) and that how they handle funds is allways transparent, smart, aiding the physical realisation of their ideas while at the same time if funds are gone the gained knowledge is still available to everyone.
i stop here and apologise once more for disturbing the buzz, i really want this to happen!
but in a smart way. i mean, a very, very smart way.
regards
greg


#14794 From: "George Pantos" <gop6@...>
Date: Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:20 pm
Subject: Re: Re: question to the group..??
georgepantos
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to quote George (jack nicholson from Easy Rider..) "i got a helmet alright, one doozy of one.."
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:58 AM
Subject: RE: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??

 

Hi Greg,

            Thank you for your insight, I also am aware of all the shortfalls, been there, got fingers burnt!

I do have an HONEST investor as a very good friend, who will give / support for the benefit of all mankind!

There is only one very big hurdle, which he and I have learnt through losses to Charlatans!

IF you cannot demonstrate any working device, on neutral territory, then the answer will be ‘Sorry……..!’

Proceeding to the “entrepreneur” level, the greater the risk, the less you will be able to retain, and usually, in any unprovable situation, will want part of your hide before you start!

IF you can find a ‘charitable’ millionaire, who GIVES freely without wanting any share for himself, then you are indeed blessed.

They DO exist, but most have given money to fraudsters, and are reluctant to give more!

SO, is the group as a whole able to demonstrate at least one inexplicable ‘event?’

I spent a considerable amount of time many years ago, and got NOTHING, however, I believe David Hamel implicitly!

It’s a great pity that David chose NOT to teach how to do & correcting mistakes. Now I have to place the works of David in the same category as keeley, even after 100 years, none can reproduce!

It would be very nice to be proven wrong!!!

Mike.

Mike. J. Furness


From: hameltech@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hameltech@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tonytetryl
Sent: 25 August 2009 10:57
To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??

 

hi group.

"if i were able to secure a large/sizable grant"--george, this
part makes me really worried. it makes me to speculate on things.
please, please dont take out any kind
of a loan against licensing the discoveries or working prototypes.
this road can give results fast, but in the end no one will be happy.
dont get me wrong, i really appreciate the initiative and please forgive me if i may sound too negative here! i dont intend to, i just
gave a lot of thought on a similar idea and i have arrived at a few key points.
money and licensing go hand in hand. before i would even dare to
realise such a feature i would study for a long time how the major
open source projects keep themselves afloat. why? because they have results that truly satisfies the people on the bottom of the chain and
they dont answer to a ruling power except the satisfaction of their users.
whoever makes such efforts hase to make sure that the licensing under they operate are truly, truly is in the best interest of every individual in the universe (not just planet erath, in other words it gives people knowledge therefore elevating their consciousness so that they be able to use this as they intended) and that how they handle funds is allways transparent, smart, aiding the physical realisation of their ideas while at the same time if funds are gone the gained knowledge is still available to everyone.
i stop here and apologise once more for disturbing the buzz, i really want this to happen!
but in a smart way. i mean, a very, very smart way.
regards
greg

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#14795 From: "Jon C. Munson II" <jmunson@...>
Date: Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:16 pm
Subject: RE: Re: question to the group..??
jmunsonii
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NOTE:  I did NOT say there would be a total economic collapse, now did I?

 

Re-read what I said and think it over again.  You are a smart cookie.

 

The Higher Powers are aware of the situation – that’s all that needs saying.

 

Have faith and soldier on…

 

If I were local to the Detroit area, I’d pitch in what help I could, so, yes, there’s definitely interest.

 

Peace, Love, and Light,

 

Jon C. Munson II

"And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible." [Mark 10:27; KJV]

I sign "Peace, Love, and Light" for at least two reasons.  First, it is my truest desire for this planet and her people to live in Peace, with Love, and in the Light of God.  Second, to be an Ascended Master, one must Be.  As I wish to Be an Ascended Master (someday if not sooner), I must also Be - thus I choose to Be Peace, Love, and Light as much as I can for everyone and am therefore reflecting those thoughts to you.

 

From: hameltech@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hameltech@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George Pantos
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:17 AM
To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??

 

 

no no no that is unrealistic.. first of all if we have energy that is pennies on the dollar the economy won't collapse.. and if u want a great depression.. then u have no idea what u're talking about..  i won't go on.. i just want to know if i there is an interest out there in creating a center/facility here in detroit, and if some of u all who a have a passion for this want to participate and try out your ideas with proper funding..  if we work off eachother perhaps each of our contributions will make this succeed.. a mini manhattan project if u so will..  done without minimal outside interference..

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:44 AM

Subject: RE: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??

 

 

A restructuring of the economy is indeed underway (the collapses you are seeing are symptoms of such) – there is still further to go.  You are on the right track with the “for the love of it” part – moving forward, the licensing/greed will not fly.

Stay “pure” in intent, etc., and your venture will ultimately succeed, even though in the short term it may appear otherwise (due to the ongoing mandatory changes).

Peace, Love, and Light,

Jon C. Munson II

"And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible." [Mark 10:27; KJV]

I sign "Peace, Love, and Light" for at least two reasons.  First, it is my truest desire for this planet and her people to live in Peace, with Love, and in the Light of God.  Second, to be an Ascended Master, one must Be.  As I wish to Be an Ascended Master (someday if not sooner), I must also Be - thus I choose to Be Peace, Love, and Light as much as I can for everyone and am therefore reflecting those thoughts to you.

From: hameltech@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hameltech@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George Pantos
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:25 AM
To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??

 

yep. i agree that's why i was holding off.. but realistically to do this funding might be needed.. as far as licensing goes, i have no idea, first of all somebody will have to make this like GM makes cars so unless u want to restructure the way our whole economic system is based then i think somewhere down the line money and licensing will be involved.. like i said i want no part of this, unfortunately we would probably have to have some lawyers involved who i don't always like to deal with.. hopefully some of u guys will help me with this part.. i mean it is a group effort, and some chores would need to be done on a time to time basis. as for the grant, that is my secret.. i might be able to pull it off in a manner that i am comfortable with..

----- Original Message -----

From: tonytetryl

Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:57 AM

Subject: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??

 

hi group.

"if i were able to secure a large/sizable grant"--george, this
part makes me really worried. it makes me to speculate on things.
please, please dont take out any kind
of a loan against licensing the discoveries or working prototypes.
this road can give results fast, but in the end no one will be happy.
dont get me wrong, i really appreciate the initiative and please forgive me if i may sound too negative here! i dont intend to, i just
gave a lot of thought on a similar idea and i have arrived at a few key points.
money and licensing go hand in hand. before i would even dare to
realise such a feature i would study for a long time how the major
open source projects keep themselves afloat. why? because they have results that truly satisfies the people on the bottom of the chain and
they dont answer to a ruling power except the satisfaction of their users.
whoever makes such efforts hase to make sure that the licensing under they operate are truly, truly is in the best interest of every individual in the universe (not just planet erath, in other words it gives people knowledge therefore elevating their consciousness so that they be able to use this as they intended) and that how they handle funds is allways transparent, smart, aiding the physical realisation of their ideas while at the same time if funds are gone the gained knowledge is still available to everyone.
i stop here and apologise once more for disturbing the buzz, i really want this to happen!
but in a smart way. i mean, a very, very smart way.
regards
greg


#14796 From: "George Pantos" <gop6@...>
Date: Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:25 pm
Subject: Re: Re: question to the group..??
georgepantos
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eventually someone will have rights to this, unless there is a complete economic change, which seems incomprehensible, unlikely and disastrous.. whether it be the hamel estate or a corporation, or the govt. suppressing it..
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:20 AM
Subject: Re: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??

 

to quote George (jack nicholson from Easy Rider..) "i got a helmet alright, one doozy of one.."
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:58 AM
Subject: RE: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??

 

Hi Greg,

            Thank you for your insight, I also am aware of all the shortfalls, been there, got fingers burnt!

I do have an HONEST investor as a very good friend, who will give / support for the benefit of all mankind!

There is only one very big hurdle, which he and I have learnt through losses to Charlatans!

IF you cannot demonstrate any working device, on neutral territory, then the answer will be ‘Sorry……..!’

Proceeding to the “entrepreneur” level, the greater the risk, the less you will be able to retain, and usually, in any unprovable situation, will want part of your hide before you start!

IF you can find a ‘charitable’ millionaire, who GIVES freely without wanting any share for himself, then you are indeed blessed.

They DO exist, but most have given money to fraudsters, and are reluctant to give more!

SO, is the group as a whole able to demonstrate at least one inexplicable ‘event?’

I spent a considerable amount of time many years ago, and got NOTHING, however, I believe David Hamel implicitly!

It’s a great pity that David chose NOT to teach how to do & correcting mistakes. Now I have to place the works of David in the same category as keeley, even after 100 years, none can reproduce!

It would be very nice to be proven wrong!!!

Mike.

Mike. J. Furness


From: hameltech@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hameltech@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tonytetryl
Sent: 25 August 2009 10:57
To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??

 

hi group.

"if i were able to secure a large/sizable grant"--george, this
part makes me really worried. it makes me to speculate on things.
please, please dont take out any kind
of a loan against licensing the discoveries or working prototypes.
this road can give results fast, but in the end no one will be happy.
dont get me wrong, i really appreciate the initiative and please forgive me if i may sound too negative here! i dont intend to, i just
gave a lot of thought on a similar idea and i have arrived at a few key points.
money and licensing go hand in hand. before i would even dare to
realise such a feature i would study for a long time how the major
open source projects keep themselves afloat. why? because they have results that truly satisfies the people on the bottom of the chain and
they dont answer to a ruling power except the satisfaction of their users.
whoever makes such efforts hase to make sure that the licensing under they operate are truly, truly is in the best interest of every individual in the universe (not just planet erath, in other words it gives people knowledge therefore elevating their consciousness so that they be able to use this as they intended) and that how they handle funds is allways transparent, smart, aiding the physical realisation of their ideas while at the same time if funds are gone the gained knowledge is still available to everyone.
i stop here and apologise once more for disturbing the buzz, i really want this to happen!
but in a smart way. i mean, a very, very smart way.
regards
greg

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#14797 From: "George Pantos" <gop6@...>
Date: Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:29 pm
Subject: Re: Re: question to the group..??
georgepantos
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yeah the higher powers are aware of the situation.. that's what i attempting to resolve.. yes that is part of the deal a move to detroit.. that is why people will be paid, so they can support themselves while they are here.. otherwise if it could be done every one would be a volunteer..
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:16 AM
Subject: RE: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??

 

NOTE:  I did NOT say there would be a total economic collapse, now did I?

Re-read what I said and think it over again.  You are a smart cookie.

The Higher Powers are aware of the situation – that’s all that needs saying.

Have faith and soldier on…

If I were local to the Detroit area, I’d pitch in what help I could, so, yes, there’s definitely interest.

Peace, Love, and Light,

Jon C. Munson II

"And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible." [Mark 10:27; KJV]

I sign "Peace, Love, and Light" for at least two reasons.  First, it is my truest desire for this planet and her people to live in Peace, with Love, and in the Light of God.  Second, to be an Ascended Master, one must Be.  As I wish to Be an Ascended Master (someday if not sooner), I must also Be - thus I choose to Be Peace, Love, and Light as much as I can for everyone and am therefore reflecting those thoughts to you.

From: hameltech@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hameltech@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George Pantos
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:17 AM
To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??

 

no no no that is unrealistic.. first of all if we have energy that is pennies on the dollar the economy won't collapse.. and if u want a great depression.. then u have no idea what u're talking about..  i won't go on.. i just want to know if i there is an interest out there in creating a center/facility here in detroit, and if some of u all who a have a passion for this want to participate and try out your ideas with proper funding..  if we work off eachother perhaps each of our contributions will make this succeed.. a mini manhattan project if u so will..  done without minimal outside interference..

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:44 AM

Subject: RE: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??

 

A restructuring of the economy is indeed underway (the collapses you are seeing are symptoms of such) – there is still further to go.  You are on the right track with the “for the love of it” part – moving forward, the licensing/greed will not fly.

Stay “pure” in intent, etc., and your venture will ultimately succeed, even though in the short term it may appear otherwise (due to the ongoing mandatory changes).

Peace, Love, and Light,

Jon C. Munson II

"And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible." [Mark 10:27; KJV]

I sign "Peace, Love, and Light" for at least two reasons.  First, it is my truest desire for this planet and her people to live in Peace, with Love, and in the Light of God.  Second, to be an Ascended Master, one must Be.  As I wish to Be an Ascended Master (someday if not sooner), I must also Be - thus I choose to Be Peace, Love, and Light as much as I can for everyone and am therefore reflecting those thoughts to you.

From: hameltech@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hameltech@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George Pantos
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:25 AM
To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??

 

yep. i agree that's why i was holding off.. but realistically to do this funding might be needed.. as far as licensing goes, i have no idea, first of all somebody will have to make this like GM makes cars so unless u want to restructure the way our whole economic system is based then i think somewhere down the line money and licensing will be involved.. like i said i want no part of this, unfortunately we would probably have to have some lawyers involved who i don't always like to deal with.. hopefully some of u guys will help me with this part.. i mean it is a group effort, and some chores would need to be done on a time to time basis. as for the grant, that is my secret.. i might be able to pull it off in a manner that i am comfortable with..

----- Original Message -----

From: tonytetryl

Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:57 AM

Subject: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??

 

hi group.

"if i were able to secure a large/sizable grant"--george, this
part makes me really worried. it makes me to speculate on things.
please, please dont take out any kind
of a loan against licensing the discoveries or working prototypes.
this road can give results fast, but in the end no one will be happy.
dont get me wrong, i really appreciate the initiative and please forgive me if i may sound too negative here! i dont intend to, i just
gave a lot of thought on a similar idea and i have arrived at a few key points.
money and licensing go hand in hand. before i would even dare to
realise such a feature i would study for a long time how the major
open source projects keep themselves afloat. why? because they have results that truly satisfies the people on the bottom of the chain and
they dont answer to a ruling power except the satisfaction of their users.
whoever makes such efforts hase to make sure that the licensing under they operate are truly, truly is in the best interest of every individual in the universe (not just planet erath, in other words it gives people knowledge therefore elevating their consciousness so that they be able to use this as they intended) and that how they handle funds is allways transparent, smart, aiding the physical realisation of their ideas while at the same time if funds are gone the gained knowledge is still available to everyone.
i stop here and apologise once more for disturbing the buzz, i really want this to happen!
but in a smart way. i mean, a very, very smart way.
regards
greg


#14798 From: "Jon C. Munson II" <jmunson@...>
Date: Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:37 pm
Subject: RE: Re: question to the group..??
jmunsonii
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George, where “we” as a People, are going, there will eventually be no need for any money, period.  I’m not sure when that is going to happen, but it will.  I’m personally hoping within my lifetime if it isn’t already around the corner (the Divine does not give hard timelines of course).  In the meantime, steps are being taken to transition from the “greed” based economy (currently, um, running) to that based more on “need/love.”  Again, the stuff you see going on is all part of that transitional period.  Earth has requested this, and “the people” have chimed in their desire as well.  The Divine is therefore answering and you are witnessing the product of the Answer.

 

Your project may very well be one of those transitional projects that gets us further down the path – so don’t give up on it.

 

Relative to your question however, in my particular case I cannot relocate – too tied to this area unfortunately.  If I were local, I wouldn’t necessarily need to be “paid” per se is what I meant by my reply.

 

Peace, Love, and Light,

 

Jon C. Munson II

"And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible." [Mark 10:27; KJV]

I sign "Peace, Love, and Light" for at least two reasons.  First, it is my truest desire for this planet and her people to live in Peace, with Love, and in the Light of God.  Second, to be an Ascended Master, one must Be.  As I wish to Be an Ascended Master (someday if not sooner), I must also Be - thus I choose to Be Peace, Love, and Light as much as I can for everyone and am therefore reflecting those thoughts to you.

 

From: hameltech@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hameltech@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George Pantos
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:29 AM
To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??

 

 

yeah the higher powers are aware of the situation.. that's what i attempting to resolve.. yes that is part of the deal a move to detroit.. that is why people will be paid, so they can support themselves while they are here.. otherwise if it could be done every one would be a volunteer..

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:16 AM

Subject: RE: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??

 

 

NOTE:  I did NOT say there would be a total economic collapse, now did I?

Re-read what I said and think it over again.  You are a smart cookie.

The Higher Powers are aware of the situation – that’s all that needs saying.

Have faith and soldier on…

If I were local to the Detroit area, I’d pitch in what help I could, so, yes, there’s definitely interest.

Peace, Love, and Light,

Jon C. Munson II

"And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible." [Mark 10:27; KJV]

I sign "Peace, Love, and Light" for at least two reasons.  First, it is my truest desire for this planet and her people to live in Peace, with Love, and in the Light of God.  Second, to be an Ascended Master, one must Be.  As I wish to Be an Ascended Master (someday if not sooner), I must also Be - thus I choose to Be Peace, Love, and Light as much as I can for everyone and am therefore reflecting those thoughts to you.

From: hameltech@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hameltech@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George Pantos
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:17 AM
To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??

 

no no no that is unrealistic.. first of all if we have energy that is pennies on the dollar the economy won't collapse.. and if u want a great depression.. then u have no idea what u're talking about..  i won't go on.. i just want to know if i there is an interest out there in creating a center/facility here in detroit, and if some of u all who a have a passion for this want to participate and try out your ideas with proper funding..  if we work off eachother perhaps each of our contributions will make this succeed.. a mini manhattan project if u so will..  done without minimal outside interference..

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:44 AM

Subject: RE: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??

 

A restructuring of the economy is indeed underway (the collapses you are seeing are symptoms of such) – there is still further to go.  You are on the right track with the “for the love of it” part – moving forward, the licensing/greed will not fly.

Stay “pure” in intent, etc., and your venture will ultimately succeed, even though in the short term it may appear otherwise (due to the ongoing mandatory changes).

Peace, Love, and Light,

Jon C. Munson II

"And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible." [Mark 10:27; KJV]

I sign "Peace, Love, and Light" for at least two reasons.  First, it is my truest desire for this planet and her people to live in Peace, with Love, and in the Light of God.  Second, to be an Ascended Master, one must Be.  As I wish to Be an Ascended Master (someday if not sooner), I must also Be - thus I choose to Be Peace, Love, and Light as much as I can for everyone and am therefore reflecting those thoughts to you.

From: hameltech@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hameltech@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George Pantos
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:25 AM
To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??

 

yep. i agree that's why i was holding off.. but realistically to do this funding might be needed... as far as licensing goes, i have no idea, first of all somebody will have to make this like GM makes cars so unless u want to restructure the way our whole economic system is based then i think somewhere down the line money and licensing will be involved.. like i said i want no part of this, unfortunately we would probably have to have some lawyers involved who i don't always like to deal with.. hopefully some of u guys will help me with this part.. i mean it is a group effort, and some chores would need to be done on a time to time basis. as for the grant, that is my secret.. i might be able to pull it off in a manner that i am comfortable with..

----- Original Message -----

From: tonytetryl

Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:57 AM

Subject: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??

 

hi group.

"if i were able to secure a large/sizable grant"--george, this
part makes me really worried. it makes me to speculate on things.
please, please dont take out any kind
of a loan against licensing the discoveries or working prototypes.
this road can give results fast, but in the end no one will be happy.
dont get me wrong, i really appreciate the initiative and please forgive me if i may sound too negative here! i dont intend to, i just
gave a lot of thought on a similar idea and i have arrived at a few key points.
money and licensing go hand in hand. before i would even dare to
realise such a feature i would study for a long time how the major
open source projects keep themselves afloat. why? because they have results that truly satisfies the people on the bottom of the chain and
they dont answer to a ruling power except the satisfaction of their users.
whoever makes such efforts hase to make sure that the licensing under they operate are truly, truly is in the best interest of every individual in the universe (not just planet erath, in other words it gives people knowledge therefore elevating their consciousness so that they be able to use this as they intended) and that how they handle funds is allways transparent, smart, aiding the physical realisation of their ideas while at the same time if funds are gone the gained knowledge is still available to everyone.
i stop here and apologise once more for disturbing the buzz, i really want this to happen!
but in a smart way. i mean, a very, very smart way.
regards
greg


#14799 From: "George Pantos" <gop6@...>
Date: Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:58 pm
Subject: Re: Re: question to the group..??
georgepantos
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yeah but that is like waiting around for the apocalypse..  hey it will happen but maybe on it's own timeline.. darn right this is a transitional project.. in fact u going to bed each night and eating dinner is a transitional project.. i have a lot of reasons that this must be located in detroit.. otherwise i would have been on a plane to L.A. tomorrow.. but another reason is california already has plenty going for it.. and this area is already is in a depression, and really needs a new industry to come along.. otherwise it's like Katrina blew in here.. so they need the mercy.. 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:37 AM
Subject: RE: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??

 

George, where “we” as a People, are going, there will eventually be no need for any money, period.  I’m not sure when that is going to happen, but it will.  I’m personally hoping within my lifetime if it isn’t already around the corner (the Divine does not give hard timelines of course).  In the meantime, steps are being taken to transition from the “greed” based economy (currently, um, running) to that based more on “need/love.”  Again, the stuff you see going on is all part of that transitional period.  Earth has requested this, and “the people” have chimed in their desire as well.  The Divine is therefore answering and you are witnessing the product of the Answer.

Your project may very well be one of those transitional projects that gets us further down the path – so don’t give up on it.

Relative to your question however, in my particular case I cannot relocate – too tied to this area unfortunately.  If I were local, I wouldn’t necessarily need to be “paid” per se is what I meant by my reply.

Peace, Love, and Light,

Jon C. Munson II

"And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible." [Mark 10:27; KJV]

I sign "Peace, Love, and Light" for at least two reasons.  First, it is my truest desire for this planet and her people to live in Peace, with Love, and in the Light of God.  Second, to be an Ascended Master, one must Be.  As I wish to Be an Ascended Master (someday if not sooner), I must also Be - thus I choose to Be Peace, Love, and Light as much as I can for everyone and am therefore reflecting those thoughts to you.

From: hameltech@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hameltech@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George Pantos
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:29 AM
To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??

 

yeah the higher powers are aware of the situation.. that's what i attempting to resolve.. yes that is part of the deal a move to detroit.. that is why people will be paid, so they can support themselves while they are here.. otherwise if it could be done every one would be a volunteer..

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:16 AM

Subject: RE: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??

 

NOTE:  I did NOT say there would be a total economic collapse, now did I?

Re-read what I said and think it over again.  You are a smart cookie.

The Higher Powers are aware of the situation – that’s all that needs saying.

Have faith and soldier on…

If I were local to the Detroit area, I’d pitch in what help I could, so, yes, there’s definitely interest.

Peace, Love, and Light,

Jon C. Munson II

"And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible." [Mark 10:27; KJV]

I sign "Peace, Love, and Light" for at least two reasons.  First, it is my truest desire for this planet and her people to live in Peace, with Love, and in the Light of God.  Second, to be an Ascended Master, one must Be.  As I wish to Be an Ascended Master (someday if not sooner), I must also Be - thus I choose to Be Peace, Love, and Light as much as I can for everyone and am therefore reflecting those thoughts to you.

From: hameltech@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hameltech@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George Pantos
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:17 AM
To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??

 

no no no that is unrealistic.. first of all if we have energy that is pennies on the dollar the economy won't collapse.. and if u want a great depression.. then u have no idea what u're talking about..  i won't go on.. i just want to know if i there is an interest out there in creating a center/facility here in detroit, and if some of u all who a have a passion for this want to participate and try out your ideas with proper funding..  if we work off eachother perhaps each of our contributions will make this succeed.. a mini manhattan project if u so will..  done without minimal outside interference..

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:44 AM

Subject: RE: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??

 

A restructuring of the economy is indeed underway (the collapses you are seeing are symptoms of such) – there is still further to go.  You are on the right track with the “for the love of it” part – moving forward, the licensing/greed will not fly.

Stay “pure” in intent, etc., and your venture will ultimately succeed, even though in the short term it may appear otherwise (due to the ongoing mandatory changes).

Peace, Love, and Light,

Jon C. Munson II

"And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible." [Mark 10:27; KJV]

I sign "Peace, Love, and Light" for at least two reasons.  First, it is my truest desire for this planet and her people to live in Peace, with Love, and in the Light of God.  Second, to be an Ascended Master, one must Be.  As I wish to Be an Ascended Master (someday if not sooner), I must also Be - thus I choose to Be Peace, Love, and Light as much as I can for everyone and am therefore reflecting those thoughts to you.

From: hameltech@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hameltech@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George Pantos
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:25 AM
To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??

 

yep. i agree that's why i was holding off.. but realistically to do this funding might be needed... as far as licensing goes, i have no idea, first of all somebody will have to make this like GM makes cars so unless u want to restructure the way our whole economic system is based then i think somewhere down the line money and licensing will be involved.. like i said i want no part of this, unfortunately we would probably have to have some lawyers involved who i don't always like to deal with.. hopefully some of u guys will help me with this part.. i mean it is a group effort, and some chores would need to be done on a time to time basis. as for the grant, that is my secret.. i might be able to pull it off in a manner that i am comfortable with..

----- Original Message -----

From: tonytetryl

Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:57 AM

Subject: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??

 

hi group.

"if i were able to secure a large/sizable grant"--george, this
part makes me really worried. it makes me to speculate on things.
please, please dont take out any kind
of a loan against licensing the discoveries or working prototypes.
this road can give results fast, but in the end no one will be happy.
dont get me wrong, i really appreciate the initiative and please forgive me if i may sound too negative here! i dont intend to, i just
gave a lot of thought on a similar idea and i have arrived at a few key points.
money and licensing go hand in hand. before i would even dare to
realise such a feature i would study for a long time how the major
open source projects keep themselves afloat. why? because they have results that truly satisfies the people on the bottom of the chain and
they dont answer to a ruling power except the satisfaction of their users.
whoever makes such efforts hase to make sure that the licensing under they operate are truly, truly is in the best interest of every individual in the universe (not just planet erath, in other words it gives people knowledge therefore elevating their consciousness so that they be able to use this as they intended) and that how they handle funds is allways transparent, smart, aiding the physical realisation of their ideas while at the same time if funds are gone the gained knowledge is still available to everyone.
i stop here and apologise once more for disturbing the buzz, i really want this to happen!
but in a smart way. i mean, a very, very smart way.
regards
greg


#14800 From: PICO TECH <picotech9999@...>
Date: Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:07 pm
Subject: Re: Death of Religion and Technology
picotech9999
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Group,
When you get this straight,

Religion is the study of  Light   and
Science is the study of religion

;) and no kidding

Dell

Dan LaRochelle wrote:
>
> Jaro,
>
> Death of Religion and Technology?  I don't think so....!
>
> Until you can do the things that Jesus did _in front of multitudes_,
> you should not pretend to be in the know.
>
> "Those who believe in nothing, will believe in anything"!
>
> Religion is real and has been real since all times.
> No amount of new-age, old-age gooblygook is going to explain religion
> away.
>
> Unless you can do the same things as Jesus did, you need to express
> your writings as just your simple plain old opinion.
> Nothing more.....it just your opinion.
>
> It's my opinion that you know nothing about religion and thus believe
> anything that comes along all the while flip-flopping your beliefs as
> every hour changes.
> So, read another new-age gooblygook book and change your opinion
> again.  You're good at it!
>
> Good day,
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> Transworld2 wrote:
>
>> Well folks, the death of religion is upon us. It'll happen suddenly
>> within the
>> next few years. Why? Because even as we speak there are thousands of
>> people who
>> can heal the same way Jesus did. And very soon they'll figure out
>> that they can
>> use the same technique to turn water into wine, or walk on water.
>>
>> Jesus was considered a Deity because of his miracles, but when
>> thousands of people
>> worldwide start making the same miracles, even the masses will
>> realize that he was
>> nothing special. I mean who'd want to worship someone who's no more
>> powerful than
>> your neighbor?
>>
>> And of course, it'll be the death of technology too. I mean who'd
>> want to drive or
>> go by plane when you'll have the ability to teleport yourself
>> anywhere you like?
>> So guys, you can pretty much forget about antigravity too, since
>> people who can
>> directly control matter, don't need no machines or spaceships.
>>
>> BTW, creating miracles (like Jesus did), is really nothing special,
>> it is a
>> TECHNIQUE. Now that doesn't mean that everyone can use it, but those
>> who are more
>> spiritual will be able to use it most effectively. So Mankind is
>> coming of age and
>> we are about to experience the Age of miracles.
>>
>> Now the reason why I'm so sure about this, is because I now
>> understand how the
>> technique for creating miracles works. And like I said, it's being
>> used already,
>> mainly for healing. One of main proponents of this is Dr. Bartlett
>> who's website
>> is:
>>
>> http://www.matrixenergetics.com/ <http://www.matrixenergetics.com/>
>>
>> I've just analyzed the principles on which it works, and realized
>> that it can be
>> used for more than just healing, and soon will be used that way. Oh,
>> and thanks to
>> Kenny, who's story about the She-God turned me towards this, when I
>> was analyzing
>> Her instructions for teleportation.
>>
>> Jaro
>>
>
>

#14801 From: "Jon C. Munson II" <jmunson@...>
Date: Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:17 pm
Subject: RE: Re: question to the group..??
jmunsonii
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We are already in the “Apocolypse.”

 

I hear you otherwise…J

 

Peace, Love, and Light,

 

Jon C. Munson II

"And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible." [Mark 10:27; KJV]

I sign "Peace, Love, and Light" for at least two reasons.  First, it is my truest desire for this planet and her people to live in Peace, with Love, and in the Light of God.  Second, to be an Ascended Master, one must Be.  As I wish to Be an Ascended Master (someday if not sooner), I must also Be - thus I choose to Be Peace, Love, and Light as much as I can for everyone and am therefore reflecting those thoughts to you.

 

From: hameltech@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hameltech@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George Pantos
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:59 AM
To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??

 

 

yeah but that is like waiting around for the apocalypse..  hey it will happen but maybe on it's own timeline.. darn right this is a transitional project.. in fact u going to bed each night and eating dinner is a transitional project.. i have a lot of reasons that this must be located in detroit.. otherwise i would have been on a plane to L.A. tomorrow.. but another reason is california already has plenty going for it.. and this area is already is in a depression, and really needs a new industry to come along.. otherwise it's like Katrina blew in here.. so they need the mercy.. 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:37 AM

Subject: RE: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??

 

 

George, where “we” as a People, are going, there will eventually be no need for any money, period.  I’m not sure when that is going to happen, but it will.  I’m personally hoping within my lifetime if it isn’t already around the corner (the Divine does not give hard timelines of course).  In the meantime, steps are being taken to transition from the “greed” based economy (currently, um, running) to that based more on “need/love.”  Again, the stuff you see going on is all part of that transitional period.  Earth has requested this, and “the people” have chimed in their desire as well.  The Divine is therefore answering and you are witnessing the product of the Answer.

Your project may very well be one of those transitional projects that gets us further down the path – so don’t give up on it.

Relative to your question however, in my particular case I cannot relocate – too tied to this area unfortunately.  If I were local, I wouldn’t necessarily need to be “paid” per se is what I meant by my reply.

Peace, Love, and Light,

Jon C. Munson II

"And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible." [Mark 10:27; KJV]

I sign "Peace, Love, and Light" for at least two reasons.  First, it is my truest desire for this planet and her people to live in Peace, with Love, and in the Light of God.  Second, to be an Ascended Master, one must Be.  As I wish to Be an Ascended Master (someday if not sooner), I must also Be - thus I choose to Be Peace, Love, and Light as much as I can for everyone and am therefore reflecting those thoughts to you.

From: hameltech@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hameltech@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George Pantos
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:29 AM
To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??

 

yeah the higher powers are aware of the situation.. that's what i attempting to resolve.. yes that is part of the deal a move to detroit.. that is why people will be paid, so they can support themselves while they are here.. otherwise if it could be done every one would be a volunteer..

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:16 AM

Subject: RE: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??

 

NOTE:  I did NOT say there would be a total economic collapse, now did I?

Re-read what I said and think it over again.  You are a smart cookie.

The Higher Powers are aware of the situation – that’s all that needs saying.

Have faith and soldier on…

If I were local to the Detroit area, I’d pitch in what help I could, so, yes, there’s definitely interest.

Peace, Love, and Light,

Jon C. Munson II

"And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible." [Mark 10:27; KJV]

I sign "Peace, Love, and Light" for at least two reasons.  First, it is my truest desire for this planet and her people to live in Peace, with Love, and in the Light of God.  Second, to be an Ascended Master, one must Be.  As I wish to Be an Ascended Master (someday if not sooner), I must also Be - thus I choose to Be Peace, Love, and Light as much as I can for everyone and am therefore reflecting those thoughts to you.

From: hameltech@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hameltech@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George Pantos
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:17 AM
To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??

 

no no no that is unrealistic.. first of all if we have energy that is pennies on the dollar the economy won't collapse.. and if u want a great depression.. then u have no idea what u're talking about..  i won't go on.. i just want to know if i there is an interest out there in creating a center/facility here in detroit, and if some of u all who a have a passion for this want to participate and try out your ideas with proper funding..  if we work off eachother perhaps each of our contributions will make this succeed... a mini manhattan project if u so will..  done without minimal outside interference..

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:44 AM

Subject: RE: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??

 

A restructuring of the economy is indeed underway (the collapses you are seeing are symptoms of such) – there is still further to go.  You are on the right track with the “for the love of it” part – moving forward, the licensing/greed will not fly.

Stay “pure” in intent, etc., and your venture will ultimately succeed, even though in the short term it may appear otherwise (due to the ongoing mandatory changes).

Peace, Love, and Light,

Jon C. Munson II

"And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible." [Mark 10:27; KJV]

I sign "Peace, Love, and Light" for at least two reasons.  First, it is my truest desire for this planet and her people to live in Peace, with Love, and in the Light of God.  Second, to be an Ascended Master, one must Be.  As I wish to Be an Ascended Master (someday if not sooner), I must also Be - thus I choose to Be Peace, Love, and Light as much as I can for everyone and am therefore reflecting those thoughts to you.

From: hameltech@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hameltech@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George Pantos
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:25 AM
To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??

 

yep. i agree that's why i was holding off.. but realistically to do this funding might be needed... as far as licensing goes, i have no idea, first of all somebody will have to make this like GM makes cars so unless u want to restructure the way our whole economic system is based then i think somewhere down the line money and licensing will be involved.. like i said i want no part of this, unfortunately we would probably have to have some lawyers involved who i don't always like to deal with.. hopefully some of u guys will help me with this part.. i mean it is a group effort, and some chores would need to be done on a time to time basis. as for the grant, that is my secret.. i might be able to pull it off in a manner that i am comfortable with..

----- Original Message -----

From: tonytetryl

Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:57 AM

Subject: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??

 

hi group.

"if i were able to secure a large/sizable grant"--george, this
part makes me really worried. it makes me to speculate on things.
please, please dont take out any kind
of a loan against licensing the discoveries or working prototypes.
this road can give results fast, but in the end no one will be happy.
dont get me wrong, i really appreciate the initiative and please forgive me if i may sound too negative here! i dont intend to, i just
gave a lot of thought on a similar idea and i have arrived at a few key points.
money and licensing go hand in hand. before i would even dare to
realise such a feature i would study for a long time how the major
open source projects keep themselves afloat. why? because they have results that truly satisfies the people on the bottom of the chain and
they dont answer to a ruling power except the satisfaction of their users.
whoever makes such efforts hase to make sure that the licensing under they operate are truly, truly is in the best interest of every individual in the universe (not just planet erath, in other words it gives people knowledge therefore elevating their consciousness so that they be able to use this as they intended) and that how they handle funds is allways transparent, smart, aiding the physical realisation of their ideas while at the same time if funds are gone the gained knowledge is still available to everyone.
i stop here and apologise once more for disturbing the buzz, i really want this to happen!
but in a smart way. i mean, a very, very smart way.
regards
greg


#14802 From: "martin venter" <martinv@...>
Date: Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:34 pm
Subject: Re: Death of Religion and Technology
mjv2302
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Hi Everyone

What is the argument here ? God (and Jesus) are spirits and
we have spirtis - anyone of us who "links" to our spirit
bodies in this world has these supernatural abilities.
Problem is we lost it when falling into sin via Adam. So,
there is nothing "fancy" about this, in fact, the sorcerers
of Farao did these things eons ago.  This will not change
the fact that JESUS IS ALIVE !

Blessings.

On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 08:07:02 -0600
  PICO TECH <picotech9999@...> wrote:
> Group,
> When you get this straight,
>
> Religion is the study of  Light   and
> Science is the study of religion
>
> ;) and no kidding
>
> Dell
>
> Dan LaRochelle wrote:
> >
> > Jaro,
> >
> > Death of Religion and Technology?  I don't think
> so....!
> >
> > Until you can do the things that Jesus did _in front of
> multitudes_,
> > you should not pretend to be in the know.
> >
> > "Those who believe in nothing, will believe in
> anything"!
> >
> > Religion is real and has been real since all times.
> > No amount of new-age, old-age gooblygook is going to
> explain religion
> > away.
> >
> > Unless you can do the same things as Jesus did, you
> need to express
> > your writings as just your simple plain old opinion.
> > Nothing more.....it just your opinion.
> >
> > It's my opinion that you know nothing about religion
> and thus believe
> > anything that comes along all the while flip-flopping
> your beliefs as
> > every hour changes.
> > So, read another new-age gooblygook book and change
> your opinion
> > again.  You're good at it!
> >
> > Good day,
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> >
> > Transworld2 wrote:
> >
> >> Well folks, the death of religion is upon us. It'll
> happen suddenly
> >> within the
> >> next few years. Why? Because even as we speak there
> are thousands of
> >> people who
> >> can heal the same way Jesus did. And very soon they'll
> figure out
> >> that they can
> >> use the same technique to turn water into wine, or
> walk on water.
> >>
> >> Jesus was considered a Deity because of his miracles,
> but when
> >> thousands of people
> >> worldwide start making the same miracles, even the
> masses will
> >> realize that he was
> >> nothing special. I mean who'd want to worship someone
> who's no more
> >> powerful than
> >> your neighbor?
> >>
> >> And of course, it'll be the death of technology too. I
> mean who'd
> >> want to drive or
> >> go by plane when you'll have the ability to teleport
> yourself
> >> anywhere you like?
> >> So guys, you can pretty much forget about antigravity
> too, since
> >> people who can
> >> directly control matter, don't need no machines or
> spaceships.
> >>
> >> BTW, creating miracles (like Jesus did), is really
> nothing special,
> >> it is a
> >> TECHNIQUE. Now that doesn't mean that everyone can use
> it, but those
> >> who are more
> >> spiritual will be able to use it most effectively. So
> Mankind is
> >> coming of age and
> >> we are about to experience the Age of miracles.
> >>
> >> Now the reason why I'm so sure about this, is because
> I now
> >> understand how the
> >> technique for creating miracles works. And like I
> said, it's being
> >> used already,
> >> mainly for healing. One of main proponents of this is
> Dr. Bartlett
> >> who's website
> >> is:
> >>
> >> http://www.matrixenergetics.com/
> <http://www.matrixenergetics.com/>
> >>
> >> I've just analyzed the principles on which it works,
> and realized
> >> that it can be
> >> used for more than just healing, and soon will be used
> that way. Oh,
> >> and thanks to
> >> Kenny, who's story about the She-God turned me towards
> this, when I
> >> was analyzing
> >> Her instructions for teleportation.
> >>
> >> Jaro
> >>
> >
> >



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#14803 From: "Mike" <mikefurness2002@...>
Date: Tue Aug 25, 2009 3:44 pm
Subject: RE: Death of Religion and Technology
mikefurness2002
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I hope this isn’t going to degenerate into religious fervor!

Religion has caused more wars and suffering than anything else!

 

It certainly has never solved any technical problems, hence the decline of the Arab nation, that gave us our math and numerical systems!

 

Ok, the ‘apparent’ values of the church (WHICH ONE???) seem to provide a good moral base for life, until they want to ‘interpret & modify’ such that, for instance homosexuality is no longer a religious crime! And the muslims want to convert or kill all that are not muslims!

300 years ago, Protestant & Catholic church murdered about as many as a percentage, and torture as we cannot imagine.

Like was it Guy de Molar, that the Pope ordered a small charcoal fire while he burnt at the stake, so he was conscious to watch his legs burn off:? Or the regular inquisition that put lard on people’s feet and cooked the flesh down to the bone in front of a charcoal fire?

‘GOD BOTHERERS’ is a good name.

“Give unto Caesar which belongs to him” applies here, go worship your Gods, and DON’T bring it into technical work, or all will surely be lost for ever!

 

Mike.

 

Mike. J. Furness (agnostic)

 

 


From: hameltech@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hameltech@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of martin venter
Sent: 25 August 2009 15:34
To: hameltech@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [hameltech] Death of Religion and Technology

 

 

Hi Everyone

What is the argument here ? God (and Jesus) are spirits and
we have spirtis - anyone of us who "links" to our spirit
bodies in this world has these supernatural abilities.
Problem is we lost it when falling into sin via Adam. So,
there is nothing "fancy" about this, in fact, the sorcerers
of Farao did these things eons ago. This will not change
the fact that JESUS IS ALIVE !

Blessings.

On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 08:07:02 -0600
PICO TECH <picotech9999@gmail.com> wrote:
> Group,
> When you get this straight,
>
> Religion is the study of Light and
> Science is the study of religion
>
> ;) and no kidding
>
> Dell
>
> Dan LaRochelle wrote:
> >
> > Jaro,
> >
> > Death of Religion and Technology? I don't think
> so....!
> >
> > Until you can do the things that Jesus did _in front of
> multitudes_,
> > you should not pretend to be in the know.
> >
> > "Those who believe in nothing, will believe in
> anything"!
> >
> > Religion is real and has been real since all times.
> > No amount of new-age, old-age gooblygook is going to
> explain religion
> > away.
> >
> > Unless you can do the same things as Jesus did, you
> need to express
> > your writings as just your simple plain old opinion.
> > Nothing more.....it just your opinion.
> >
> > It's my opinion that you know nothing about religion
> and thus believe
> > anything that comes along all the while flip-flopping
> your beliefs as
> > every hour changes.
> > So, read another new-age gooblygook book and change
> your opinion
> > again. You're good at it!
> >
> > Good day,
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> >
> > Transworld2 wrote:
> >
> >> Well folks, the death of religion is upon us. It'll
> happen suddenly
> >> within the
> >> next few years. Why? Because even as we speak there
> are thousands of
> >> people who
> >> can heal the same way Jesus did. And very soon they'll
> figure out
> >> that they can
> >> use the same technique to turn water into wine, or
> walk on water.
> >>
> >> Jesus was considered a Deity because of his miracles,
> but when
> >> thousands of people
> >> worldwide start making the same miracles, even the
> masses will
> >> realize that he was
> >> nothing special. I mean who'd want to worship someone
> who's no more
> >> powerful than
> >> your neighbor?
> >>
> >> And of course, it'll be the death of technology too. I
> mean who'd
> >> want to drive or
> >> go by plane when you'll have the ability to teleport
> yourself
> >> anywhere you like?
> >> So guys, you can pretty much forget about antigravity
> too, since
> >> people who can
> >> directly control matter, don't need no machines or
> spaceships.
> >>
> >> BTW, creating miracles (like Jesus did), is really
> nothing special,
> >> it is a
> >> TECHNIQUE. Now that doesn't mean that everyone can use
> it, but those
> >> who are more
> >> spiritual will be able to use it most effectively. So
> Mankind is
> >> coming of age and
> >> we are about to experience the Age of miracles.
> >>
> >> Now the reason why I'm so sure about this, is because
> I now
> >> understand how the
> >> technique for creating miracles works. And like I
> said, it's being
> >> used already,
> >> mainly for healing. One of main proponents of this is
> Dr. Bartlett
> >> who's website
> >> is:
> >>
> >> http://www.matrixenergetics.com/
> <http://www.matrixenergetics.com/>
> >>
> >> I've just analyzed the principles on which it works,
> and realized
> >> that it can be
> >> used for more than just healing, and soon will be used
> that way. Oh,
> >> and thanks to
> >> Kenny, who's story about the She-God turned me towards
> this, when I
> >> was analyzing
> >> Her instructions for teleportation.
> >>
> >> Jaro
> >>
> >
> >

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#14804 From: "George Pantos" <gop6@...>
Date: Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:16 pm
Subject: Fw: [antigrav] Re: question to the group..??
georgepantos
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hopefully we can keep this conversation going, and i can get an answer from some of you.. u mean to tell me if this weren't in place none of you would be interested..?? are u really locked into your situations at home where you couldn't manage this.. i know i am, so i understand.. my parents are elderly and i can no longer leave them alone without something disastrous potentially happening.. it's happened before, and i find it very hard to live with.. so. that said, i still have some responsibility also to the people at my current job, that is one reason i would work only part time, plus i like to remain creative and if i did not have some freedom of activity that would quickly be depleted.. but i need to know if there is an interest so i could possibly come up with a proposal.. read below..
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: [antigrav] Re: question to the group..??

 

ok now we are talking about sensitive and still hypothetical reasoning here.. i wanted to test the waters to see if i could find any of u all who have been working on this for years and are valuable assets and talents..so if i gave this guy a proposal i would have the people to take on the positions who know what they are talking about, and have the passion and experience. i don't want to have to explain all this stuff to a bunch of greenhorns.. as far as the likelihood, like i said this is a bit up in the air.. i don't want to seem like i'm talking out of my ass.. first of all to be honest about 6 months ago i was looking at Obama stimulus money for the research project, but i did not feel comfortable having to explain this crazy ass ideas of mr. hamel to a govt. bureaucrat.. besides there are only certain windows for grants and at the time the one from the energy dept. had expired.. then came the real wallop of some news.. having to do with an old personal connection of mine, who is a lot like me.. boils down to the fact that he is sort of a smart ass runt, who i feel comfortable with since he is an old personal friend and i would have no problem explaining this stuff to him.. plus he is fairly imaginative himself and might take a keen interest personally.. anyway not to reveal too much, let me just say he is very comfortably made in the hedge fund industry.. preposterously so.. in fact i couldn't believe it when i came across the news about 2 months ago.. then it hit me last night, that he might be a great source of funding for all this.. i won't go into too much more for now, i'll give him the pseudonym "Deep Throat the sequel".. as for whether he is willing, hmm. don't count on it, but it might be worth a try.. and if i have a better idea of what i'm proposing to him, the better a chance of success. now i'm sure if u felt like doing an FBI search on me, u could probably put the connections together and come up with the person i'm talking about, but i make that deliberately difficult for now..
----- Original Message -----
From: stationarydeck
To: greenglow@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:59 AM
Subject: [antigrav] Re: question to the group..??

Hi George,

I've thought about moving to Detroit for the very reason you mention, plus the low cost of housing. What is the likelihood of getting this grant you're talking about?

--- In greenglow@yahoogroups.com, "George Pantos" <gop6@...> wrote:
>
> if i were able to secure a large/sizable grant, who would be willing to move to detroit and work in a fringe science facility to develop some of these ideas into a major breakthru.. like edison we would try every permutation of design to get the lightbulb into a working prototype.. like edison's Menlo Park.. I want and insist it be located here in Detroit, because with the failure of the automobile industry we need a new breakthru technology to return prosperity to the region.. in the meantime as a research facility we would be able to employ quite a few people..
> to give u an idea, there would not be much money in the way of salaries, but i was hoping people would do it for the mere love and interest of the pursuit, and be content with something like $30,000 or $50,000 a year depending on their capacity.. we would have enough funds to pay for the material and tools.. such as the granite and cutting tools.. obviously plenty of expertise would be needed in a number of different fields and capacities. i for one only want to work part time so i can remain creative, so anybody who is steady enough to handle some managerial work full time would be a welcome help.. anyway i thought i'd run it by u guys..
>
> primarily we would research hamel and kosul devices.. but also any other promising ideas. depending on the size of the grant, and the number and expertise of the people working in that specific area.. we could call it a fringe science research facility..
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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#14805 From: granite spider <granite8rok@...>
Date: Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:17 pm
Subject: Re: question to the group..??
granite8rok
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vERy, VerY interesting................

--- On Mon, 8/24/09, George Pantos <gop6@...> wrote:

From: George Pantos <gop6@...>
Subject: [hameltech] question to the group..??
To: greenglow@yahoogroups.com, hameltech@yahoogroups.com, kosoldevice@yahoogroups.com
Received: Monday, August 24, 2009, 8:48 PM

 
if i were able to secure a large/sizable grant, who would be willing to move to detroit and work in a fringe science facility to develop some of these ideas into a major breakthru.. like edison we would try every permutation of design to get the lightbulb into a working prototype.. like edison's Menlo Park.. I want and insist it be located here in Detroit, because with the failure of the automobile industry we need a new breakthru technology to return prosperity to the region.. in the meantime as a research facility we would be able to employ quite a few people..
to give u an idea, there would not be much money in the way of salaries, but i was hoping people would do it for the mere love and interest of the pursuit, and be content with something like $30,000 or $50,000 a year depending on their capacity..  we would have enough funds to pay for the material and tools.. such as the granite and cutting tools.. obviously plenty of expertise would be needed in a number of  different fields and capacities.  i for one only want to work part time so i can remain creative, so anybody who is steady enough to handle some managerial work full time would be a welcome help.. anyway i thought i'd run it by u guys..
 
primarily we would research hamel and kosul devices.. but also any other promising ideas. depending on the size of the grant, and the number and expertise of the people working in that  specific area..  we could call it a fringe science research facility..

#14806 From: PICO TECH <picotech9999@...>
Date: Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:37 pm
Subject: Re: Re: question to the group..??
picotech9999
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Jon
We already have one since 1933 -- just get rid on the middle-man and
tell folks how to use it. ;)

Dell


Jon C. Munson II wrote:
>
> George, where “we” as a People, are going, there will eventually be no
> need for any money, period. I’m not sure when that is going to happen,
> but it will. I’m personally hoping within my lifetime if it isn’t
> already around the corner (the Divine does not give hard timelines of
> course). In the meantime, steps are being taken to transition from the
> “greed” based economy (currently, um, running) to that based more on
> “need/love.” Again, the stuff you see going on is all part of that
> transitional period. Earth has requested this, and “the people” have
> chimed in their desire as well. The Divine is therefore answering and
> you are witnessing the product of the Answer.
>
> Your project may very well be one of those transitional projects that
> gets us further down the path – so don’t give up on it.
>
> Relative to your question however, in my particular case I cannot
> relocate – too tied to this area unfortunately. If I were local, I
> wouldn’t necessarily need to be “paid” per se is what I meant by my reply.
>
> Peace, Love, and Light,
>
> Jon C. Munson II
>
> "And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not
> with God: for *with God all things* are possible." [Mark 10:27; KJV]
>
> I sign "Peace, Love, and Light" for at least two reasons. First, it is
> my truest desire for this planet and her people to live in Peace, with
> Love, and in the Light of God. Second, to be an Ascended Master, one
> must Be. As I wish to Be an Ascended Master (someday if not sooner), I
> must also Be - thus I choose to Be Peace, Love, and Light as much as I
> can for everyone and am therefore reflecting those thoughts to you.
>
> *From:* hameltech@yahoogroups.com [mailto:hameltech@yahoogroups.com]
> *On Behalf Of *George Pantos
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:29 AM
> *To:* hameltech@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??
>
> yeah the higher powers are aware of the situation.. that's what i
> attempting to resolve.. yes that is part of the deal a move to
> detroit.. that is why people will be paid, so they can support
> themselves while they are here.. otherwise if it could be done every
> one would be a volunteer..
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>
>     *From:* Jon C. Munson II <mailto:jmunson@...>
>
>     *To:* hameltech@yahoogroups.com <mailto:hameltech@yahoogroups.com>
>
>     *Sent:* Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:16 AM
>
>     *Subject:* RE: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??
>
>     NOTE: I did NOT say there would be a total economic collapse, now
>     did I?
>
>     Re-read what I said and think it over again. You are a smart cookie.
>
>     The Higher Powers are aware of the situation – that’s all that
>     needs saying.
>
>     Have faith and soldier on…
>
>     If I were local to the Detroit area, I’d pitch in what help I
>     could, so, yes, there’s definitely interest.
>
>     Peace, Love, and Light,
>
>     Jon C. Munson II
>
>     "And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but
>     not with God: for *with God all things* are possible." [Mark
>     10:27; KJV]
>
>     I sign "Peace, Love, and Light" for at least two reasons. First,
>     it is my truest desire for this planet and her people to live in
>     Peace, with Love, and in the Light of God. Second, to be an
>     Ascended Master, one must Be. As I wish to Be an Ascended Master
>     (someday if not sooner), I must also Be - thus I choose to Be
>     Peace, Love, and Light as much as I can for everyone and am
>     therefore reflecting those thoughts to you.
>
>     *From:* hameltech@yahoogroups.com
>     [mailto:hameltech@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *George Pantos
>     *Sent:* Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:17 AM
>     *To:* hameltech@yahoogroups.com
>     *Subject:* Re: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??
>
>     no no no that is unrealistic.. first of all if we have energy that
>     is pennies on the dollar the economy won't collapse.. and if u
>     want a great depression.. then u have no idea what u're talking
>     about.. i won't go on.. i just want to know if i there is an
>     interest out there in creating a center/facility here in detroit,
>     and if some of u all who a have a passion for this want to
>     participate and try out your ideas with proper funding.. if we
>     work off eachother perhaps each of our contributions will make
>     this succeed.. a mini manhattan project if u so will.. done
>     without minimal outside interference..
>
>         ----- Original Message -----
>
>         *From:* Jon C. Munson II <mailto:jmunson@...>
>
>         *To:* hameltech@yahoogroups.com
>         <mailto:hameltech@yahoogroups.com>
>
>         *Sent:* Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:44 AM
>
>         *Subject:* RE: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??
>
>         A restructuring of the economy is indeed underway (the
>         collapses you are seeing are symptoms of such) – there is
>         still further to go. You are on the right track with the “for
>         the love of it” part – moving forward, the licensing/greed
>         will not fly.
>
>         Stay “pure” in intent, etc., and your venture will ultimately
>         succeed, even though in the short term it may appear otherwise
>         (due to the ongoing mandatory changes).
>
>         Peace, Love, and Light,
>
>         Jon C. Munson II
>
>         "And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible,
>         but not with God: for *with God all things* are possible."
>         [Mark 10:27; KJV]
>
>         I sign "Peace, Love, and Light" for at least two reasons.
>         First, it is my truest desire for this planet and her people
>         to live in Peace, with Love, and in the Light of God. Second,
>         to be an Ascended Master, one must Be. As I wish to Be an
>         Ascended Master (someday if not sooner), I must also Be - thus
>         I choose to Be Peace, Love, and Light as much as I can for
>         everyone and am therefore reflecting those thoughts to you.
>
>         *From:* hameltech@yahoogroups.com
>         [mailto:hameltech@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *George Pantos
>         *Sent:* Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:25 AM
>         *To:* hameltech@yahoogroups.com
>         *Subject:* Re: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??
>
>         yep. i agree that's why i was holding off.. but realistically
>         to do this funding might be needed... as far as licensing
>         goes, i have no idea, first of all somebody will have to make
>         this like GM makes cars so unless u want to restructure the
>         way our whole economic system is based then i think somewhere
>         down the line money and licensing will be involved.. like i
>         said i want no part of this, unfortunately we would probably
>         have to have some lawyers involved who i don't always like to
>         deal with.. hopefully some of u guys will help me with this
>         part.. i mean it is a group effort, and some chores would need
>         to be done on a time to time basis. as for the grant, that is
>         my secret.. i might be able to pull it off in a manner that i
>         am comfortable with..
>
>             ----- Original Message -----
>
>             *From:* tonytetryl <mailto:tonytetryl@...>
>
>             *To:* hameltech@yahoogroups.com
>             <mailto:hameltech@yahoogroups.com>
>
>             *Sent:* Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:57 AM
>
>             *Subject:* [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??
>
>             hi group.
>
>             "if i were able to secure a large/sizable grant"--george, this
>             part makes me really worried. it makes me to speculate on
>             things.
>             please, please dont take out any kind
>             of a loan against licensing the discoveries or working
>             prototypes.
>             this road can give results fast, but in the end no one
>             will be happy.
>             dont get me wrong, i really appreciate the initiative and
>             please forgive me if i may sound too negative here! i dont
>             intend to, i just
>             gave a lot of thought on a similar idea and i have arrived
>             at a few key points.
>             money and licensing go hand in hand. before i would even
>             dare to
>             realise such a feature i would study for a long time how
>             the major
>             open source projects keep themselves afloat. why? because
>             they have results that truly satisfies the people on the
>             bottom of the chain and
>             they dont answer to a ruling power except the satisfaction
>             of their users.
>             whoever makes such efforts hase to make sure that the
>             licensing under they operate are truly, truly is in the
>             best interest of every individual in the universe (not
>             just planet erath, in other words it gives people
>             knowledge therefore elevating their consciousness so that
>             they be able to use this as they intended) and that how
>             they handle funds is allways transparent, smart, aiding
>             the physical realisation of their ideas while at the same
>             time if funds are gone the gained knowledge is still
>             available to everyone.
>             i stop here and apologise once more for disturbing the
>             buzz, i really want this to happen!
>             but in a smart way. i mean, a very, very smart way.
>             regards
>             greg
>
>

#14807 From: Gene Gonzalez <sundracer@...>
Date: Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:27 pm
Subject: Re: question to the group..??
kubasun
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George, I will be willing to give some of my time, I have a lot of experience in 3D modeling which it could be a benefit to the group.
 
Gene


From: George Pantos <gop6@...>
To: greenglow@yahoogroups.com; hameltech@yahoogroups.com; kosoldevice@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:48:56 PM
Subject: [hameltech] question to the group..??

 

if i were able to secure a large/sizable grant, who would be willing to move to detroit and work in a fringe science facility to develop some of these ideas into a major breakthru.. like edison we would try every permutation of design to get the lightbulb into a working prototype.. like edison's Menlo Park.. I want and insist it be located here in Detroit, because with the failure of the automobile industry we need a new breakthru technology to return prosperity to the region.. in the meantime as a research facility we would be able to employ quite a few people..
to give u an idea, there would not be much money in the way of salaries, but i was hoping people would do it for the mere love and interest of the pursuit, and be content with something like $30,000 or $50,000 a year depending on their capacity..  we would have enough funds to pay for the material and tools.. such as the granite and cutting tools.. obviously plenty of expertise would be needed in a number of  different fields and capacities.  i for one only want to work part time so i can remain creative, so anybody who is steady enough to handle some managerial work full time would be a welcome help.. anyway i thought i'd run it by u guys..
 
primarily we would research hamel and kosul devices.. but also any other promising ideas. depending on the size of the grant, and the number and expertise of the people working in that  specific area..  we could call it a fringe science research facility..


#14808 From: "demondoppel" <demondoppel@...>
Date: Wed Aug 26, 2009 3:17 pm
Subject: Re: question to the group..??
demondoppel
Send Email Send Email
 
I, too, would be willing, but time and money are required here at home :)
....unless an act of God forced me to 'make it so'...Swine Flu anyone.....?

It would be an honor to serve such a higher purpose and yet the only thing that
truly worries me is that 'what if' gov't officials and others got wind of such a
project!

If it were done somewhere neutral and unaffected by outside 'powers that be', it
may be worthwhile. David Hamel's land would have served a greater purpose if he
had not released to his unknowing son! Too bad he didn't leave it to the most
trusted and dedicated. Now, it just sits there, for sale.

----------------------------------------------------------------

One thing for sure, is that a great many of skilled people would need to come
forward. Highly skilled would be preferred....but as long as the will to
accomplish is there, that is all that is needed.

Skilled in many areas:

Welding
      -TIG, MIG, A/O, Plasma etc.
Stone Work
      -granite sphere making, cup making, diamond tooling (saws, drills, bores)
etc
Jig making
      -structural mechanics and all sorts of know how to make proper jigs for
wings and all pieces of the puzzle.

--------------------------------------------------------
etc...etc...etc
--------------------------------------------------------

I watched a program about the M-1, yesterday, about the M-1 tank refurbishing
facility in the U.S. (several of them). We would need, literally, a facility
which is equivalent or at least on a proportional scale to carry out a daunting
task of creating at least One Galaxy Trinity.

We would also, need a R & D facility which would be doing all the sub components
of the G.T., understanding everything.

That would be "weight into speed", in which a total dedication to mastering all
avenues of this methodology.

Then, others could be 'bellows', 'wings'....'snares'

A magnet dept, which looks after all magnets and handling and classification.

Be creative. I guess the best thing for any of us, George, would be to pre-plan
ever little nuance ahead of time.

Of course, what is also needed the MOST, is total fundamental understanding of
the 3 cone device.

This knowledge would serve an absolute baseline for the ship. You'd need to know
this stuff inside and out beforehand.

So perhaps, many persons could be attempting 3CD replication as well, during the
fabrication of the ship(s). All under the roof of one complex.

BTW, we have all had the time to understand the 3 cone device. If you don't
understand it now, then in order to begin a Galaxy Trinity project, one must
know the 3 cone device beforehand. That would mean, someone or a group who has
greatest understanding would thus teach all
those involved, all the nuances they have learned.

I could do it, as I have learned a great deal, but I am sure there are masters
on here, who know much much more :)

-----------------------------------------

ORGANIZATION...paperwork and practical all at once. You do what you say. You
walk the walk as much as talk the talk.

It will take great leadership to make this happen.

Don't let my post discourage any of you. This has been a goal of mine too, which
has not manifested at all. The timing isn't right just yet.

#14809 From: "George Pantos" <gop6@...>
Date: Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:58 pm
Subject: Re: Re: question to the group..??
georgepantos
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i for one wouldn't begin to build a full ship until we had the 3CD fully perfected and working.. at that point we would probably have to move to another facility to build the Galaxy Trinity and funding would come much more easily.. in the mean time i had envisioned more of a fully equipped metal shop for now, of course some u have already been working out of one.. of course we could try and perfect some of the fabrication for the Galaxy Trinity in the shop until we move on to larger scale production..
but i guess this is an old story.. i still say it will take a full fledged effort getting a 3cd to work, trying every possible permutation of design.. much like edison went search for the right filament for his light bulb..
 
but matt u definitely have the right idea.. of what i am aiming at..
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 11:17 AM
Subject: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??

 


I, too, would be willing, but time and money are required here at home :) ....unless an act of God forced me to 'make it so'...Swine Flu anyone.....?

It would be an honor to serve such a higher purpose and yet the only thing that truly worries me is that 'what if' gov't officials and others got wind of such a project!

If it were done somewhere neutral and unaffected by outside 'powers that be', it may be worthwhile. David Hamel's land would have served a greater purpose if he had not released to his unknowing son! Too bad he didn't leave it to the most trusted and dedicated. Now, it just sits there, for sale.

----------------------------------------------------------

One thing for sure, is that a great many of skilled people would need to come forward. Highly skilled would be preferred....but as long as the will to accomplish is there, that is all that is needed.

Skilled in many areas:

Welding
-TIG, MIG, A/O, Plasma etc.
Stone Work
-granite sphere making, cup making, diamond tooling (saws, drills, bores) etc
Jig making
-structural mechanics and all sorts of know how to make proper jigs for wings and all pieces of the puzzle.

--------------------------------------------------------
etc...etc...etc
--------------------------------------------------------

I watched a program about the M-1, yesterday, about the M-1 tank refurbishing facility in the U.S. (several of them). We would need, literally, a facility which is equivalent or at least on a proportional scale to carry out a daunting task of creating at least One Galaxy Trinity.

We would also, need a R & D facility which would be doing all the sub components of the G.T., understanding everything.

That would be "weight into speed", in which a total dedication to mastering all avenues of this methodology.

Then, others could be 'bellows', 'wings'....'snares'

A magnet dept, which looks after all magnets and handling and classification.

Be creative. I guess the best thing for any of us, George, would be to pre-plan ever little nuance ahead of time.

Of course, what is also needed the MOST, is total fundamental understanding of the 3 cone device.

This knowledge would serve an absolute baseline for the ship. You'd need to know this stuff inside and out beforehand.

So perhaps, many persons could be attempting 3CD replication as well, during the fabrication of the ship(s). All under the roof of one complex.

BTW, we have all had the time to understand the 3 cone device. If you don't understand it now, then in order to begin a Galaxy Trinity project, one must know the 3 cone device beforehand. That would mean, someone or a group who has greatest understanding would thus teach all
those involved, all the nuances they have learned.

I could do it, as I have learned a great deal, but I am sure there are masters on here, who know much much more :)

-----------------------------------------

ORGANIZATION...paperwork and practical all at once. You do what you say. You walk the walk as much as talk the talk.

It will take great leadership to make this happen.

Don't let my post discourage any of you. This has been a goal of mine too, which has not manifested at all. The timing isn't right just yet.


#14810 From: Dan LaRochelle <danswaay@...>
Date: Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:01 pm
Subject: Re: Re: question to the group..??
danswaay
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The 3CD is a WASTE OF YOUR TIME!  Don't build it.
Very few people know what they are doing and there have been nothing but failures over these past 10+ years.
Most people think if the 3-Cone Device wobbles continuously they have success.  NO. 
That is not what it is supposed to do, and besides you won't even get continuous movement anyway.
You see, it is not the wobble but the air that matters and 99% of you out there won't listen anyway.

The true message and technology of David Hamel is the ufo ship.  Period.  Nothing else.
Don't waste your time and money with the 3CD (3-Cone Device)!

David Hamel's ufo ship must be built first. Nothing else should be played with as it is just a waste of time.

Regards,

Dan LaRochelle





George Pantos wrote:
 

i for one wouldn't begin to build a full ship until we had the 3CD fully perfected and working.. at that point we would probably have to move to another facility to build the Galaxy Trinity and funding would come much more easily.. in the mean time i had envisioned more of a fully equipped metal shop for now, of course some u have already been working out of one.. of course we could try and perfect some of the fabrication for the Galaxy Trinity in the shop until we move on to larger scale production..
but i guess this is an old story.. i still say it will take a full fledged effort getting a 3cd to work, trying every possible permutation of design.. much like edison went search for the right filament for his light bulb..
 
but matt u definitely have the right idea.. of what i am aiming at..
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 11:17 AM
Subject: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??

 


I, too, would be willing, but time and money are required here at home :) ....unless an act of God forced me to 'make it so'...Swine Flu anyone.....?

It would be an honor to serve such a higher purpose and yet the only thing that truly worries me is that 'what if' gov't officials and others got wind of such a project!

If it were done somewhere neutral and unaffected by outside 'powers that be', it may be worthwhile. David Hamel's land would have served a greater purpose if he had not released to his unknowing son! Too bad he didn't leave it to the most trusted and dedicated. Now, it just sits there, for sale.

----------------------------------------------------------

One thing for sure, is that a great many of skilled people would need to come forward. Highly skilled would be preferred....but as long as the will to accomplish is there, that is all that is needed.

Skilled in many areas:

Welding
-TIG, MIG, A/O, Plasma etc.
Stone Work
-granite sphere making, cup making, diamond tooling (saws, drills, bores) etc
Jig making
-structural mechanics and all sorts of know how to make proper jigs for wings and all pieces of the puzzle.

--------------------------------------------------------
etc...etc...etc
--------------------------------------------------------

I watched a program about the M-1, yesterday, about the M-1 tank refurbishing facility in the U.S. (several of them). We would need, literally, a facility which is equivalent or at least on a proportional scale to carry out a daunting task of creating at least One Galaxy Trinity.

We would also, need a R & D facility which would be doing all the sub components of the G.T., understanding everything.

That would be "weight into speed", in which a total dedication to mastering all avenues of this methodology.

Then, others could be 'bellows', 'wings'....'snares'

A magnet dept, which looks after all magnets and handling and classification.

Be creative. I guess the best thing for any of us, George, would be to pre-plan ever little nuance ahead of time.

Of course, what is also needed the MOST, is total fundamental understanding of the 3 cone device.

This knowledge would serve an absolute baseline for the ship. You'd need to know this stuff inside and out beforehand.

So perhaps, many persons could be attempting 3CD replication as well, during the fabrication of the ship(s). All under the roof of one complex.

BTW, we have all had the time to understand the 3 cone device. If you don't understand it now, then in order to begin a Galaxy Trinity project, one must know the 3 cone device beforehand. That would mean, someone or a group who has greatest understanding would thus teach all
those involved, all the nuances they have learned.

I could do it, as I have learned a great deal, but I am sure there are masters on here, who know much much more :)

-----------------------------------------

ORGANIZATION...paperwork and practical all at once. You do what you say. You walk the walk as much as talk the talk.

It will take great leadership to make this happen.

Don't let my post discourage any of you. This has been a goal of mine too, which has not manifested at all. The timing isn't right just yet.



#14811 From: "George Pantos" <gop6@...>
Date: Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:08 pm
Subject: Re: Re: question to the group..??
georgepantos
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i don't buy that..
plus if the 3cd is to work, my definition would be generation of a plasma, or new dimensionality of existence.. not just wobble perpetually, although it should if all the rest of this is going on..
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??

 

The 3CD is a WASTE OF YOUR TIME!  Don't build it.
Very few people know what they are doing and there have been nothing but failures over these past 10+ years.
Most people think if the 3-Cone Device wobbles continuously they have success.  NO. 
That is not what it is supposed to do, and besides you won't even get continuous movement anyway.
You see, it is not the wobble but the air that matters and 99% of you out there won't listen anyway.

The true message and technology of David Hamel is the ufo ship.  Period.  Nothing else.
Don't waste your time and money with the 3CD (3-Cone Device)!

David Hamel's ufo ship must be built first. Nothing else should be played with as it is just a waste of time.

Regards,

Dan LaRochelle





George Pantos wrote:

 

i for one wouldn't begin to build a full ship until we had the 3CD fully perfected and working.. at that point we would probably have to move to another facility to build the Galaxy Trinity and funding would come much more easily.. in the mean time i had envisioned more of a fully equipped metal shop for now, of course some u have already been working out of one.. of course we could try and perfect some of the fabrication for the Galaxy Trinity in the shop until we move on to larger scale production..
but i guess this is an old story.. i still say it will take a full fledged effort getting a 3cd to work, trying every possible permutation of design.. much like edison went search for the right filament for his light bulb..
 
but matt u definitely have the right idea.. of what i am aiming at..
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 11:17 AM
Subject: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??

 


I, too, would be willing, but time and money are required here at home :) ....unless an act of God forced me to 'make it so'...Swine Flu anyone.....?

It would be an honor to serve such a higher purpose and yet the only thing that truly worries me is that 'what if' gov't officials and others got wind of such a project!

If it were done somewhere neutral and unaffected by outside 'powers that be', it may be worthwhile. David Hamel's land would have served a greater purpose if he had not released to his unknowing son! Too bad he didn't leave it to the most trusted and dedicated. Now, it just sits there, for sale.

----------------------------------------------------------

One thing for sure, is that a great many of skilled people would need to come forward. Highly skilled would be preferred....but as long as the will to accomplish is there, that is all that is needed.

Skilled in many areas:

Welding
-TIG, MIG, A/O, Plasma etc.
Stone Work
-granite sphere making, cup making, diamond tooling (saws, drills, bores) etc
Jig making
-structural mechanics and all sorts of know how to make proper jigs for wings and all pieces of the puzzle.

--------------------------------------------------------
etc...etc...etc
--------------------------------------------------------

I watched a program about the M-1, yesterday, about the M-1 tank refurbishing facility in the U.S. (several of them). We would need, literally, a facility which is equivalent or at least on a proportional scale to carry out a daunting task of creating at least One Galaxy Trinity.

We would also, need a R & D facility which would be doing all the sub components of the G.T., understanding everything.

That would be "weight into speed", in which a total dedication to mastering all avenues of this methodology.

Then, others could be 'bellows', 'wings'....'snares'

A magnet dept, which looks after all magnets and handling and classification.

Be creative. I guess the best thing for any of us, George, would be to pre-plan ever little nuance ahead of time.

Of course, what is also needed the MOST, is total fundamental understanding of the 3 cone device.

This knowledge would serve an absolute baseline for the ship. You'd need to know this stuff inside and out beforehand.

So perhaps, many persons could be attempting 3CD replication as well, during the fabrication of the ship(s). All under the roof of one complex.

BTW, we have all had the time to understand the 3 cone device. If you don't understand it now, then in order to begin a Galaxy Trinity project, one must know the 3 cone device beforehand. That would mean, someone or a group who has greatest understanding would thus teach all
those involved, all the nuances they have learned.

I could do it, as I have learned a great deal, but I am sure there are masters on here, who know much much more :)

-----------------------------------------

ORGANIZATION...paperwork and practical all at once. You do what you say. You walk the walk as much as talk the talk.

It will take great leadership to make this happen.

Don't let my post discourage any of you. This has been a goal of mine too, which has not manifested at all. The timing isn't right just yet.



#14812 From: Steven Dufresne <stevend@...>
Date: Wed Aug 26, 2009 9:16 pm
Subject: Re: Re: question to the group..??
stevendpe
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I too disagree with Dan that the 3CD is a waste of time but in
a way I also agree with both George and Dan. I think ionization
of the air occurs at the sharp cone tips and leads to the plasma
but without enclosing the 3CD in a drum or other cylinder, it
won't build up. Too many people test it without enclosing it.
So the air, or what it becomes, is important.
-Steve
http://rimstar.org

George Pantos wrote:
> i don't buy that..
> plus if the 3cd is to work, my definition would be generation of a
> plasma, or new dimensionality of existence.. not just wobble
> perpetually, although it should if all the rest of this is going on..
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Dan LaRochelle <mailto:danswaay@...>
>     *To:* hameltech@yahoogroups.com <mailto:hameltech@yahoogroups.com>
>     *Sent:* Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:01 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: [hameltech] Re: question to the group..??
>
>     The 3CD is a WASTE OF YOUR TIME!  Don't build it.
>     Very few people know what they are doing and there have been
>     _nothing but failures_ over these past 10+ years.
>     Most people think if the 3-Cone Device wobbles continuously they
>     have success.  NO.
>     That is not what it is supposed to do, and besides you won't even
>     get continuous movement anyway.
>     You see, it is not the wobble but the air that matters and 99% of
>     you out there won't listen anyway.
>
>     The true message and technology of David Hamel is the ufo ship.
>     Period.  Nothing else.
>     Don't waste your time and money with the 3CD (3-Cone Device)!
>
>     David Hamel's ufo ship must be built first. Nothing else should be
>     played with as it is just a waste of time.
>
>     Regards,
>
>     Dan LaRochelle

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