similarly in the standard edition in spanish: los evangelios apócrifos (edited and translated by aurelio de santos otero, madrid: biblioteca de autores...
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Mike Grondin
mgrondin@...
Mar 10, 1999 1:09 pm
... Patterson ... contrast to ... context, ... I agree, Mark. Which is why I changed Lambdin's #61 so that the two occurrences of 6LO6 were translated the...
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Mike Grondin
mgrondin@...
Mar 10, 1999 1:48 pm
... Meyer says ("The Gospel of Thomas", p.93): "Infrequently in the New Testament, and more commonly in early Christian and gnostic literature, the character...
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Paterson Brown
paterson@...
Mar 10, 1999 2:19 pm
here are ALL of the biblical references (in his order) given in crum for 6LO6. i can see no grounds whatsoever for rendering it as "dining couch" under any...
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Jack Kilmon
jkilmon@...
Mar 10, 1999 2:31 pm
... Since Mark mentions her by name while Matthew calls her "the mother of the sons of Zebedee," she appears to have been Y'shua's aunt (Miryam's sister). I...
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Mark Goodacre
M.S.GOODACRE@...
Mar 10, 1999 3:01 pm
... The reference to the seven veils in Clement's letter is as follows: "Nevertheless, he [Mark] yet did not divulge the things not to be uttered, nor did he...
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Mark Goodacre
M.S.GOODACRE@...
Mar 10, 1999 3:01 pm
... Certainly Matthew mentions the mother of the sons of Zebedee (27.56) in parallel with Mark's "Salome" (15.40), but one of the earliest interpretations of...
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Didymus5@...
Mar 11, 1999 1:57 am
Mark makes Salome a most important character. She is witness both to the crucifixion and the resurrection. She also appears in GTh and other gnostic ...
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Mike Grondin
mgrondin@...
Mar 11, 1999 6:26 am
... So Crum is inerrant? Here's two reasons to think not: 1. Crum's dictionary was published in 1939. We don't know how different it might have been had he had...
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Paterson Brown
paterson@...
Mar 13, 1999 3:12 am
well it's hardly odd to have "great faith" in walter crum, who is acknowledged as authoritative by all scholars! as i stated before, who else can have been...
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Paterson Brown
paterson@...
Mar 13, 1999 3:12 am
tord: re the possible significance of 6LO6 meaning "bed" rather than "couch", i would refer you to the lengthy exposition of this subject in philip vis-a-vis...
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Didymus5@...
Mar 13, 1999 3:17 am
Further to yesterday's file, the story about a Salome present at Mary's giving birth, questioning whether she was still a virgin, comes from the Protevangelium...
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Stevan Davies
miser17@...
Mar 13, 1999 3:33 am
One argumentational link that's missing in this discussion is "what word would have been appropriate in Coptic for dining-couch if not the word used in GTh?"...
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Paterson Brown by wa...
mgrondin@...
Mar 13, 1999 3:59 am
... well it's hardly odd to have "great faith" in walter crum, who is acknowledged as authoritative by all scholars! as i stated before, who else can have...
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Mike Grondin
mgrondin@...
Mar 13, 1999 12:24 pm
(I take note of Steve's comment, and have written to Mark G. to see if he can get this information. As I recall, there's an English-to-Coptic section in Crum's...
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Mike Grondin
mgrondin@...
Mar 13, 1999 1:05 pm
Ran across an interesting passage from Irenaeus as I was looking over Bentley Layton's "The Gnostic Scriptures" yesterday. It's relevant to stuff I've said...
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Paterson Brown
paterson@...
Mar 16, 1999 12:33 pm
there really are only two relevant questions here: (a) did the recent scholars (meyer, lambdin, layton, or whoever) have any other source than crum for their...
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S. Patterson
patters@...
Mar 16, 1999 7:26 pm
Dear Thomas Group: Enough on 6LO6 already. Mr. Brown is right; Crum is the authority on the matter, at least for now. Crum is very clear: the word translates...
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Paterson Brown
paterson@...
Mar 16, 1999 7:32 am
dear mark goodacre: perhaps you have been following the debate over 6LO6 in the discussion group. unfortunately i do not have my copy of crum here with me in ...
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paterson brown
paterson@...
Mar 16, 1999 11:43 am
i suppose that 6LO6 in th 61a is the best direct evidence for its meaning in 61b. but in any event, attached is the coptic text (sahidic and bohairic) of acts...
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Mike Grondin
mgrondin@...
Mar 16, 1999 12:20 pm
... Interesting that you should say this, Paterson, since that's not how you yourself translate it. You have Salome saying "...thou laid upon my bed...". TELO...
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Mike Grondin
mgrondin@...
Mar 16, 1999 2:23 pm
... Shame on you, Paterson. You've had philosophical training - you ought to recognize a "straw man" argument when you give one. No one used the word ...
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Mark Goodacre
M.S.GOODACRE@...
Mar 16, 1999 3:18 pm
... There are four entries for "couch" in the English index as follows. I have attempted to use Mike's transliteration scheme ...
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Stevan Davies
miser17@...
Mar 16, 1999 10:27 pm
crossposted crosstalk gthomas ... 60) <They saw> a Samaritan carrying a lamb on his way to Judea. He said to his disciples, "(Why does) that man (carry) the...
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joe baxter
joseph@...
Mar 17, 1999 7:13 am
... Stevan, neither you, nor I, can say with any certainty what meaning was intended. What we can do, however, is read it in such a way that it has deep ...
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Paterson Brown
paterson@...
Mar 17, 1999 7:50 am
the suggestion in our version is: TA.MAAU GAR NTA.[S.MISE MMO.I EB]OL my-mother for did-she [-bear accusative-me for]th "for my mother bore me" (references:...
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Paterson Brown
paterson@...
Mar 17, 1999 8:15 am
... in addition to the reference that mark goodacre gives to bethge's version in aland's synopsis, i have already mentioned the standard scholarly translation...
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Tord Svenson
raptord@...
Mar 17, 1999 8:58 am
... I believe that this was the post that got the ball rolling in what proved to be a nearly two week long discussion of bed or couch. As a sort of simple...
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Mike Grondin
mgrondin@...
Mar 17, 1999 1:34 pm
... Indeed it does. It's very close in meaning to 'JPO MMO.EI', which Sytze and I discussed earlier. What I like about your proposal is the syntactical ...
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S. Patterson
patters@...
Mar 17, 1999 7:02 pm
Wait a minute, Paterson. Isn't that your translation in Spanish? I haven't seen it, but someone told me that you had published the only translation in...
