According to Robinson (Nag Hammidi Library text) one of the Greek copies of Thomas is dated older than 200 ce. However, he does not say where and I cannot...
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Rick Hubbard
rickhubbardus
Jun 3, 2002 12:17 pm
[Tom Wrote:] According to Robinson (Nag Hammidi Library text) one of the Greek copies of Thomas is dated older than 200 ce. However, he does not say where and...
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Tom Saunders
tom74730
Jun 4, 2002 4:57 am
Thank you Rick.. The reference to Robinson is page 124 of his "Nag Hammadi Library." This is the introduction to Thomas by Helmut Koester. It states: "At...
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Michael Mozina
michael@...
Jun 4, 2002 6:41 am
Luke 17:20: And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with...
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Rick Hubbard
rickhubbardus
Jun 4, 2002 2:21 pm
[Tom wrote:] Below is a web address for the Gospel of Marcion. This site also contains a portion of Charles B. Waite's "History of Christian Religion to the...
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Rick Hubbard
rickhubbardus
Jun 4, 2002 2:28 pm
Jesus gnostic in that way? How are we defining gnostic concepts? Indeed! How ARE "we" defining gnostic concepts? Responses are encouraged. RH...
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BitsyCat1@...
bitsycat2
Jun 4, 2002 4:13 pm
In a message dated 06/04/2002 9:21:57AM, rhubbard@... writes: << Any conclusion, however, about the direction of literary dependence between GTh and...
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Ron McCann
ronmccann1
Jun 4, 2002 9:16 pm
Tom, Could you give us the location of Thomas saying three where it occurs in Marcion's Gospel. Or quote Marcion's version for us? Since this saying has no...
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swallison
Jun 5, 2002 11:14 am
... wrote:......................... For a ... 85ff. If...
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swallison
Jun 5, 2002 11:16 am
... about ... What does QTR 85ff mean? Sorry that I accidentally hit the send button the previous post before asking the question. Steve Allison...
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David C. Hindley
dchindley
Jun 5, 2002 1:08 pm
... _Q-Thomas Reader_, pages 85 through end of section. Includes Coptic text and English translation of the Gospel of Thomas and an English translation of the...
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Jim Bauer
jbauer@...
Jun 5, 2002 10:48 pm
... From: "Rick Hubbard" <rhubbard@...> To: <gthomas@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 8:21 AM Subject: RE: RE: [GTh] Dating evidence ... ...
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Tom Saunders
tom74730
Jun 5, 2002 10:48 pm
Ron asks, Could you give us the location of Thomas saying three where it occurs in Marcion's Gospel. Or quote Marcion's version for us? I think Rick and...
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David C. Hindley
dchindley
Jun 5, 2002 11:50 pm
... find a decent outlet for texts. I did find Throckmorton and "The Gospel of Thomas" by Richard Valantasis. His section on dating of Thomas explains a...
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Jack Kilmon
jkilmon_2000
Jun 6, 2002 1:00 am
... From: "Jim Bauer" <jbauer@...> To: <gthomas@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 11:11 AM Subject: Re: RE: [GTh] Dating evidence ... of ...
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Rick Hubbard
rickhubbardus
Jun 6, 2002 5:46 pm
[John Moon Wrote:] Are you suggesting that Thomas is the middle source between the Q source and The Synoptics, or that Thomas and the Q source are the double...
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Michael Mozina
michael@...
Jun 6, 2002 6:03 pm
I look at it this way: The implications of when Thomas was written has the potential here to be quite important theologically. There are for instance at...
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Grondin
mwgrondin
Jun 6, 2002 6:54 pm
... out? Pre-existence and re-incarnation are not the same thing. The sayings you quoted suggest the former, but there's no suggestion that I can see of more ...
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Ron McCann
ronmccann1
Jun 6, 2002 6:55 pm
Rick wrote:- ... From: "Rick Hubbard" <rhubbard@...> To: <gthomas@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 11:39 AM Subject: RE: [GTh] Dating...
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Ron McCann
ronmccann1
Jun 6, 2002 7:08 pm
Michael, Well said. You might, however, reconsider the reincarnational aspect. I don't see this as at all supported by Thomas. The "pre-existence"- certainly-...
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michael
michael@...
Jun 6, 2002 8:49 pm
I recognize that the concepts of reincarnation and preexistence are different issues ultimately. Where I specifically get the notion of reincarnation is in...
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Tom Saunders
tom74730
Jun 6, 2002 9:31 pm
Using Throckmorton, I have compared the parallels of Thomas to Luke, Matthew, Mark, and Marcion. I find no matches from NT works to Marcion and Thomas in...
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Michael Mozina
michael@...
Jun 6, 2002 9:59 pm
I think it's important to keep in mind that just because a synoptic parallel does not exist with a saying found in Thomas does not undetermine the authenticity...
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Michael Mozina
michael@...
Jun 6, 2002 10:07 pm
As a layman, one thing that bothers me about the methods of the Jesus Seminar is the *ASSUMPTION* that all these sayings existed only in verbal form for many...
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Rick Hubbard
rickhubbardus
Jun 6, 2002 10:26 pm
[Michael Wrote:] ...some instances. I therefore think the evangelists picked the sayings that were easiest to work with and explain, and set into the context...
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Jacob Knee
jsamk2002
Jun 6, 2002 10:29 pm
Attempting to establish literary relationships is important if you wish to : 1. Make redaction critical arguments which most commonly have been seen as a means...
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Rick Hubbard
rickhubbardus
Jun 6, 2002 10:38 pm
[Michael wrote:] It seems highly likely to me that at least a few of Jesus' traveling companions were literate and would have been interested in writing these ...
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Michael Mozina
michael@...
Jun 6, 2002 10:39 pm
I can't really disagree with your assesment about the evangelists "forging their own rendition" of sayings, but..... It seems to me that prior to the creation...
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Jacob Knee
jsamk2002
Jun 6, 2002 10:42 pm
Just to say that if Thomas is dated late, say, 150-180 CE then it is very hard to say that this would make no difference to its 'authenticity' (by which I take...
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Michael Mozina
michael@...
Jun 6, 2002 10:47 pm
Virtually every cult I've ever seen puts great emphasis on the teachings of the "Master". Heaven's gate members for instance put up their own website even....
