... Fortunately I had the good sense to properly attribute the suggestion about devising an alternate dating method for GThom to Patterson, so that lets me off...
3055
Andrew Smith
asmith@...
Aug 1, 2000 9:10 pm
... What are these last four based on? Are they dates for the Coptic version of Thomas? Or are they based on the old argument of Thomas being Gnostic, and ...
3056
Andrew Smith
asmith@...
Aug 1, 2000 9:10 pm
... The archives are at http://www.egroups.com/messages/crosstalk Andrew Smith...
3057
Jack Kilmon
jkilmon@...
Aug 1, 2000 9:23 pm
... From: Andrew Smith <asmith@...> To: <gthomas@egroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [gthomas] Dating GThom ... of ... The...
3058
Rick Hubbard
rhubbard@...
Aug 2, 2000 3:04 pm
... Actually, all of the last four (Fitzmyer, Menard, Guillamont and Dehandschutter) *are* using these dates to refer to the entirety of GThom, not the Greek...
3059
Yuri Kuchinsky
yuku@...
Aug 2, 2000 5:35 pm
... I don't think I agree with this, Rick. In my view, the most logical picture of the earliest Jewish-Christian catechesis would have been as follows. "Jesus...
3060
Yuri Kuchinsky
yuku@...
Aug 3, 2000 3:30 pm
In gthomas@egroups.com, on Aug 1, 2000, Andrew Smith wrote (in reply to ... The problem with this line of argument, Andrew, is that it leaves the area of...
3061
Andrew Smith
asmith@...
Aug 3, 2000 4:59 pm
... This really wasn't the point of re-posting Steve's letter. I wrote the above paragraph because Joe Lieb picked up on Steve's last sentence in the post and...
3062
William Arnal
wea1@...
Aug 3, 2000 6:53 pm
... It's no more (or less) "pure speculation" than redaction criticism. It's a reasonable area of scholarly inquiry: historiography and its various tendency at...
3063
Andrew Smith
asmith@...
Aug 3, 2000 10:41 pm
... It's compatible with Judaism because you made it up! ;-> But if we accept this as a reconstruction of some sort, which parts of the Gospel of Thomas are in...
3064
Jim Bauer
jbauer@...
Aug 3, 2000 11:27 pm
There's a book out that may prove helpful for this debate, Charles Foxworth's _Jesus within Judaism_. I didn't get a chance to read the whole thing so I can't...
3065
Rick Hubbard
rhubbard@...
Aug 4, 2000 3:23 pm
On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Rick Hubbard wrote: "The as-yet-unresolved problem of how to devise a defensible dating theory for the Gospel of Thomas moves no closer to...
3066
Yuri Kuchinsky
yuku@...
Aug 4, 2000 3:56 pm
... Andrew, But one can argue that this is how Matthew and Luke really imagined the Historical Jesus to have been. So do you really think the way they came up ...
3067
Yuri Kuchinsky
yuku@...
Aug 4, 2000 4:37 pm
... Sure, Bill, presuppositions and motivations do enter into scholarly reconstructions in a big way. ... Yes, intellectual currents are also important. But if...
3068
Yuri Kuchinsky
yuku@...
Aug 4, 2000 5:05 pm
... No way, Andrew! In fact, this was my rock-solid and completely objective reconstruction of what I've found in the earliest texts! :) ... Of the most...
3069
Andrew Smith
asmith@...
Aug 4, 2000 5:47 pm
... Yes, of course it was radically different! Are you suggesting that Matthew and Luke were critical scholars in the modern fashion? ... Paul's attitude to...
3070
Andrew Smith
asmith@...
Aug 4, 2000 5:55 pm
... Here's your catechesis again. I've divided it into sections. " 1. Jesus was a remarkable man, very wise and righteous. 2.He was the son of God, 3. and he...
3071
joe lieb
joelieb@...
Aug 4, 2000 9:50 pm
... Andrew, Thank you for clarifying the situation. You have confirmed what I suspected. I may seem to be overly outspoken, but I feel compelled at this point...
3072
Jacob Knee
jknee@...
Aug 5, 2000 9:36 am
For those who are interested Eerdmans theological publishers seem to have 'activated' their web site at www.eerdmans.com Best wishes, Jacob Knee (Cam,...
3073
William Arnal
wea1@...
Aug 5, 2000 2:49 pm
... suspected. I >may seem to be overly outspoken, but I feel compelled at this point to say that >it is abundantly obvious to anyone who has read the gospels...
3074
Michael Grondin
mgrondin@...
Aug 5, 2000 7:23 pm
... Well, I'm certainly not going to let you get away with that, Joe. Logion 53 neither says nor implies any such thing. Mike...
3075
Isidoros
ioniccentre@...
Aug 5, 2000 10:45 pm
... Why, gentlepeople, think you that "Jesus was a Jew"? Can you, please, be about such a categorical statement equally specific? Said this differently: Why...
3076
William E. Arnal
wea1@...
Aug 5, 2000 11:11 pm
... The lack of specificity was precisely what I was complaining about. I *assume* Jesus was a Jew because his followers consistently refer his message to that...
3077
Scott M. Williams
smatthew@...
Aug 6, 2000 4:01 am
... I admit my question may seem out-of-the-blue, but I must ask because of the popular reference to redaction-criticism. What is your view on the existence or...
3078
Ronald David McCann
ag325@...
Aug 6, 2000 7:01 am
I am getting lost here. I have read your debates since last october and frankly they usually blow me away. I have loved Joe's injections into the fray because...
3079
David C. Hindley
dhindley@...
Aug 6, 2000 5:31 pm
On Sat, 05 Aug 2000, "Scott M. Williams" responded to a post by Bill Arnal: Sorry, but I am a little confused by a couple of things you have asserted above. ...
3080
Yuri Kuchinsky
yuku@...
Aug 6, 2000 7:40 pm
... But who said anything about "critical scholars", Andrew? Exactly how many of today's scholars are critical scholars still remains to be determined. In my...
3081
Isidoros
ioniccentre@...
Aug 6, 2000 7:57 pm
... So, you cannot justify this categorization on specifics -- while you say you were complaining about the previous lack of specificity? Your "I *assume*...
3082
David C. Hindley
dhindley@...
Aug 7, 2000 3:27 am
Bill & Scott, My apologies if I have barged in on a thread that properly should have been Bill's to answer first! Pardon my enthusiasm for the subject of ...
3083
joe lieb
joelieb@...
Aug 7, 2000 3:48 am
... Mike, I was referring to Isidoros' translation of the last sentence: "Rather, it is through my (own) true (kind of) "spiritual" circumcision (that one)...
