... 'secondary'. ... in ... found in ... Yeah, me too. Based on what you say, I guess I stand corrected that this was not just a gnostic concept. But if you...
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Jacob Knee
jknee@...
Apr 1, 2000 4:25 pm
In the ascetic writings that I know of, the androgyny theme is associated with an overcoming of procreation. That in some sense gender difference exists in...
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Michael Grondin
mgrondin@...
Apr 1, 2000 7:17 pm
To all- As those of you who have tried to visit eGroups today know, they are down until 6PM PST for system modifications. I think this has to do with their ...
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Jacob Knee
jknee@...
Apr 2, 2000 12:08 pm
I'm trying to describe a context in which Thomas may have been used or produced. It is in this context that becoming 'male' is a thread of thought and practice...
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Ronald David McCann
ag325@...
Apr 2, 2000 3:40 pm
Recently. Mike wrote:- "In that way, we can become (virtual) members of "the Kingdom" while we are physically alive, so that our spirits (or souls) will become...
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Ronald David McCann
ag325@...
Apr 2, 2000 3:42 pm
Dear Mike, Cudos on seizing the central thrust of ancient Thomas and bringing the Edenic material to the fore. Thomas revolves around the hook set in the...
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Kanefer@...
Apr 2, 2000 4:11 pm
My own feeling too was that Jesus was guest of Salome. She is wanting to be convinced about who He is, tests with her authority as host; He answers well. It...
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Onnawa@...
Apr 2, 2000 4:19 pm
In a message dated 3/31/00 5:38:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, mgrondin@... writes: << If I can wax poetic for a moment: In the beginning, all was spirit....
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Michael Grondin
mgrondin@...
Apr 2, 2000 5:22 pm
... are ... Th 3.4-5 provides some support for this view: "When you come to know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will realize that you are the sons...
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Kanefer@...
Apr 2, 2000 6:16 pm
Ron wrote: <<Bluntly, some of Thomas is garbage.>> well, I don't know. I get feeling of purity about the writing, though it is so stripped bare of...
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Kanefer@...
Apr 2, 2000 6:21 pm
In a message dated 3/31/00 3:38:13 PM, Mike Grondin wrote: <<In the beginning, all was spirit. In the end, all will be spirit again. In the meantime, all of us...
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Michael Grondin
mgrondin@...
Apr 2, 2000 6:29 pm
... Well, because you're wrong about that. Adam didn't have to work until the Fall. Also, it should be borne in mind that "Androgynous Adam" was not (usually?)...
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Ronald David McCann
ag325@...
Apr 2, 2000 10:03 pm
Patti. It seems to me that homo sapiens novus. the new human is asexual because Spirit is asexual. The teaching about "neither married or given in marriage"...
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Michael Grondin
mgrondin@...
Apr 3, 2000 6:45 am
... Apologies to Patti for the above, which was obviously written by my evil twin, who took quite a fall himself. Patti reminds me of Gen 2:15 - "The Lord God...
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Robert Tessman
tess0006@...
Apr 3, 2000 3:00 pm
... My question is this. Would those who wrote and read Thomas endeavor into 'theory' enough to make the differntiation? Like the idea of the snake that eats...
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Kanefer@...
Apr 3, 2000 3:02 pm
<<Well, because you're wrong about that. Adam didn't have to work until the Fall. >> Nope - see Genesis 2:15 - "And the Lord God took the man and put him into...
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Michael Grondin
mgrondin@...
Apr 3, 2000 4:54 pm
Robert- Good to hear from you again! As usual, I welcome your critique, some of which is in line with my own developing thinking on this issue. Instead of ...
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Robert Tessman
tess0006@...
Apr 4, 2000 5:10 pm
... Thank you for the kind response. Yes, I see. Perhaps I did take your argument out of context a bit and my apologies for this. What I wished to point out...
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Yuri Kuchinsky
yuku@...
Apr 4, 2000 6:45 pm
... I call this a basic historical background, Mike. If this is not clarified, then we might as well give up historical study of early Christianity ...
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Michael Grondin
mgrondin@...
Apr 4, 2000 8:27 pm
... You go to a great deal of trouble to show that #85 shouldn't be taken at face value, but I'm really at a loss to understand why you prefer an...
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joe lieb
l_joe@...
Apr 5, 2000 5:18 am
Thank you to those who have been communicating about androgenous Adam etc in GOT. I have found the discussion to be fascinating. I ask now about GOT 101 where...
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Kanefer@...
Apr 5, 2000 11:39 am
Joe wrote: << I ask now about GOT 101 where it is stated that it is necessary to hate one's father and mother. Also GOT 15 and 105 have a related theme. Are we...
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Kanefer@...
Apr 5, 2000 11:41 am
ha ha, interesting how Creation story in Genesis has twin account, itself in parallel of separation theme This concept of Holy Spirit as "the Mother" is...
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Michael Grondin
mgrondin@...
Apr 5, 2000 2:36 pm
... For the moment, I'll concentrate just on 101 and 55, which are the pair of sayings that mention hating one's parents. Although certainly one's sexual ...
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Robert Tessman
tess0006@...
Apr 6, 2000 3:19 pm
... What you mean is, 'I like to write allot' and you are correct, but I don't know why I like to write allot. Maybe I even hate it to some degree. I think...
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Michael Grondin
mgrondin@...
Apr 6, 2000 5:07 pm
Robert- I think we've reached the point where we're just going to have to agree to ... You're not going to be able to convince me of that, since I'm a ...
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Onnawa@...
Apr 7, 2000 12:02 am
In a message dated 4/6/00 1:11:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mgrondin@... writes: << "The same man but different" doesn't really capture the idea of Jesus...
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Amy Clark
Amy@...
Apr 7, 2000 12:02 am
If I may interject, and please excuse my lack of insight into Mike and Robert's previous discussions on the matter, I would like to make a point about Adam as...
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Michael Grondin
mgrondin@...
Apr 7, 2000 2:05 am
... Actually, I look at the story of Adam and Eve as a sort of early Brothers-Grimm children's fairy tale, whose moral is suspiciously akin to "obey your...
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Robert Tessman
tess0006@...
Apr 7, 2000 2:40 pm
... What I was saying is that it is vanity to assume that we understand what a text is saying if it tells us explicitly that it is esoteric. I was refering to...
