Dear Thom-Folk: The Berlin group thought that the verb connoted "drawing" or "pulling." I make it policy never to argue with their knowledge of the Coptic...
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Jim Gambrill
laughingwind@...
Jul 2, 1999 12:20 am
... What was the German translation of the Coptic? Jim ... eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/gthomas http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group...
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Mike Grondin
mgrondin@...
Jul 13, 1999 1:49 pm
I've added the capability to download the GThom lexicon contained on my website. This was originally set up as a series of gif files to be viewed or printed,...
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Tord Svenson
raptord@...
Jul 14, 1999 6:43 am
51) His disciples said to Him, "When will the repose of the dead come about, and when will the new world come?" He said to them, "What you look forward to has...
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Mike Grondin
mgrondin@...
Jul 14, 1999 7:40 pm
... Or - putting it a slightly different way - why would one think that the souls of the dead were not *already* at rest? Presumably, because they were not in...
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Mike Grondin
mgrondin@...
Jul 15, 1999 1:46 pm
I wish to thank Andrew Bernhard for his suggestion and help in creating an Adobe Acrobat (pdf) version of the lexicon for my interlinear translation. (This...
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Mark Goodacre
M.S.GOODACRE@...
Jul 15, 1999 3:52 pm
A remarkable site on the Cambridge scholar H. B. Swete will be of interest to many. It features two of his (three) articles on the Oxyrhynchus papyri of Thom....
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Paul Miller
pm@...
Jul 18, 1999 2:31 pm
Things being rather slow on GThomas these days I thought I would reproduce this interesting Crosstalk discussion from 1996. This will take a few posts to do so...
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Paul Miller
pm@...
Jul 18, 1999 2:37 pm
From: "Stevan Davies" <miser17@...> To: crosstalk@... Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 17:11:48 +0000 Subject: Re: Q2 and Thomas ...
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Paul Miller
pm@...
Jul 18, 1999 2:42 pm
From: "Stevan Davies" <miser17@...>To: crosstalk@... Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 15:34:27 +0000Subject: Re: Q2 and Thomas ...
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Mike Grondin
mgrondin@...
Jul 18, 1999 5:19 pm
You'll have to excuse me, Paul, for thinking of this Qx business as nothing more than scholars playing with toys of their own device. I agree with Mark ...
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William E. Arnal
wea1@...
Jul 18, 1999 6:57 pm
... Perhaps you should read the work you're criticizing Mike -- you'd thereby avoid making irrelevant points. I hate to sound snotty about this, but I am SO...
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Stevan Davies
miser17@...
Jul 18, 1999 9:09 pm
... that word. That is the trouble with Thomas, isn't it? You think you've got "the major themes" except that there are all of those other sayings that either...
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Stevan Davies
miser17@...
Jul 18, 1999 9:26 pm
What do you make of the relationship between the Odes of Solomon and the Gospel of Thomas? The Odes are said to be ca. 100 (although A.D. or B.C. is a question...
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Mark Goodacre
M.S.GOODACRE@...
Jul 19, 1999 11:08 am
... An interesting read. Surely as we have them they are Christian, though, e.g. 19, copied from Steve's site: "The Son is the cup, and the Father is He who...
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Mark Goodacre
M.S.GOODACRE@...
Jul 19, 1999 11:22 am
I enjoyed reading those old Crosstalk messages. As a general comment, one thing that concerns me is that the casual reader could get the impression that Q and...
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Colette T
colette@...
Jul 19, 1999 1:07 pm
This is the first time I have read these odes & I think they're beautiful .. thankyou for sharing Stevan. Really I am just here as an observer .. recently...
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Mike Grondin
mgrondin@...
Jul 19, 1999 4:03 pm
... Could you specify some of this "Jesus the Pantocrator" material, Steve? Mike ... eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/gthomas ...
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Stevan Davies
miser17@...
Jul 19, 1999 5:14 pm
... No sooner said than done. GTh 77 Jesus said, "It is I who am the light which is above them all. It is I who am all things. From me did all things come...
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Mike Grondin
mgrondin@...
Jul 19, 1999 5:29 pm
... Damn! I thought only Paul Miller was listening! But seriously, I'm afraid that I'd become so concerned about the lack of traffic on the list lately that I...
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Mike Grondin
mgrondin@...
Jul 19, 1999 5:44 pm
... Not much. Ode 11.4 and GTh 18 seem to have virtually no relationship at all. Others are tangential at best, IMO. But the Odes does seem to be a Christian...
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Stevan Davies
miser17@...
Jul 19, 1999 6:05 pm
... Mark G. ... This is the wierdest of the Odes, to be sure. One wonders what, exactly, is the "surely" Christian part. The opening "the Son is the cup"...
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Mike Grondin
mgrondin@...
Jul 19, 1999 6:57 pm
... Interesting, then, that 77a doesn't seem to fit with the rest. 77b&c (which are of a piece) are in the POxy fragments, but not in the same place - and 77a...
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Mike Grondin
mgrondin@...
Jul 19, 1999 7:13 pm
... This translation is that of J. Rendel Harris in "The Odes and Psalms of Solomon," vol. 2 (London: Longman, 1920). Harris discovered a virtually complete...
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Mike Grondin
mgrondin@...
Jul 19, 1999 7:27 pm
One possibility I hadn't considered about the Odes: Christian overlay of non-Christian text? That would explain some of the conceptual confusion. But would a...
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MichaEl Hait
irasmikael@...
Jul 19, 1999 8:46 pm
... I don't have the Odes here in front of me, but I know that one of them talks about spreading your hands out like a cross. The Nazirite theme of Ode 1...
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William Arnal
wea1@...
Jul 19, 1999 9:05 pm
... Hurray! ... Yes indeed, which is why I get so cranky about it (and for which I, uh, uh, apologize). This sorta thing appears in PRINT with amazing...
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sdavies@...
Jul 19, 1999 10:59 pm
... (which ... - and ... specified ... material ... GThom. ... Nothing after 37 was found at Oxy. 77b/c is attached to saying 30 at Oxy evidently because the...
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Stevan Davies
miser17@...
Jul 19, 1999 11:14 pm
... I'm already certain that I have to change my Thomas Homepage link from Charlesworth to Harris. (And thank you to Mike G who identified the translator. I'd...
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Stevan Davies
miser17@...
Jul 19, 1999 11:23 pm
... Bill ... Bill Arnal has written a brief summary of Kloppenborg's case that he is too humble and self-effacing to mention. It's on the WWW off my Thomas...
