... might be ... download at ... parts one and ... Ehrman's ... this gives ... exceptions, eg. ... Say, thanks, Gavin. I'll listen when I get an opportunity...
9568
lady_caritas
Jun 1, 2004 2:18 pm
Here is a recent dialogue with Dr. Stephan Hoeller from the _LA Weekly_ ~ http://www.laweekly.com/ink/99/24/spirituality-mullen.php Cari...
9569
lady_caritas
Jun 1, 2004 2:25 pm
Apologies. This is not recent, but timely nonetheless. I just never saw it before. LOL...
9570
Mary VanEsselstyn
maryjvan1930...
Jun 1, 2004 3:51 pm
Hi Mike ... Our understanding of Gnostis is very vaque today but it appears that more people are searching for knowledge that will explain our existance, where...
9571
fred60471
Jun 1, 2004 4:53 pm
... perhaps ... Platonic ... texts. ... anti- ... had ... the ... Hi Mike, Yeah, I may have got carried away with enumerating that list of adjectives, for the...
9572
lady_caritas
Jun 1, 2004 10:38 pm
... and ... think ... and ... admit ... there? ... or ... that ... cosmos ... the ... Hello, Fred. Thought I'd poke my nose in for a moment. :-) Even though...
9573
Mike Leavitt
gnositc
Jun 2, 2004 1:36 am
Hello lady_caritas ... I couldn't find the name of the author (I'm sure it is in plain sight), but I think I know him/her. Regards -- Mike Leavitt...
9574
lady_caritas
Jun 2, 2004 1:48 am
... never ... Yes, it's up at the top of the article. Brendan Mullen? Cari...
9575
pmcvflag
Jun 2, 2004 2:47 am
Sorry it took me so long to get back to these posts. So Mary, while it is true that we see an internal quality to that form of knowing called "Gnosis", it...
9576
Mike Leavitt
gnositc
Jun 2, 2004 3:05 am
Hello lady_caritas ... There are a lot of people I don't by name, though it sounds vaguely familiar. Regards -- Mike Leavitt ac998@......
9577
pmcvflag
Jun 2, 2004 3:26 am
Hey Fred, I am glad you took the time to make it more clear in your last post because I was left scratching my head by what seemed to be the same inconsistancy...
9578
pmcvflag
Jun 2, 2004 4:26 am
Hey George.... <<<<Hi PMCV, If we can't agree that Gnosis is knowledge by experience then I don't see how I can proceed.>>> It isn't exactly that I disagree,...
9579
pmcvflag
Jun 2, 2004 4:53 am
Hey Fred Actually, I would not even be so quick to jump on the "Dualism" bandwagon... and I think scholors are becoming more cautious of the word Williams is...
9580
Mary VanEsselstyn
maryjvan1930...
Jun 2, 2004 2:03 pm
Hii pmcv and all ... Thanks for your explanation.The more I learn what don't know about Gnostis it is easiier to understand why there are so many ...
9581
fred60471
Jun 2, 2004 5:36 pm
... experience ... certain ... in ... experience. ... Hey Lady C, (77) Jesus said, "It is I who am the light which is above them all. It is I who am the all....
9582
fred60471
Jun 3, 2004 1:43 am
... PMCV, are you kidding me? Come on, give me a break! Plato is NOT a dualist because of the concept of the tripartite soul!? How about a little more rigor...
9583
lady_caritas
Jun 3, 2004 3:45 am
... animals, ... it ... Hmmm,... Fred, I did remember we touched on this once before ~ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gnosticism2/message/7759 Cari...
9584
pmcvflag
Jun 3, 2004 4:20 am
You missed the point there Fred. I am pointing out that what is and what is not "dualist" is not so... well... black and white. The term "Dualist" has rather...
9585
George Harvey
georgeatnsn
Jun 3, 2004 4:26 pm
... don't ... that ... other ... to "pliroforo" ... Hi PMCV, I don't read Greek and didn't know about "xero" but, if I now understand what you are saying, I do...
9586
fred60471
Jun 3, 2004 5:05 pm
... be ... everywhere! ... essentially ... all. ... me ... up ... reading ... Yeah, but I changed terms, now I'm saying "divine immanence," not "pantheism." ...
9587
fred60471
Jun 3, 2004 5:34 pm
... that even academicians fall victim too. What extremists are you talking about? ... that recognizes any contrast is "dualist" but when we point it out it ...
9588
lady_caritas
Jun 3, 2004 10:00 pm
... <no_reply@y...> ... God ... unto ... Okay, Fred, then perhaps you could expand more on how you are using the term, "immanence"? ...
9589
Mary VanEsselstyn
maryjvan1930...
Jun 3, 2004 11:45 pm
... Jesus also taught that, i am the light of the world. He who follows me will not be walking in the dark but will have the light which means life.Jesus is...
9590
pmcvflag
Jun 4, 2004 2:50 am
Hey George, now let me ask you a personal question or two... of course you don't have to answer if you don't want. It seems we are on the same page about...
9591
pmcvflag
Jun 4, 2004 3:40 am
Hey Fred Actually it is probably good you ask these questions. I do sometimes get used to talking to others here who are familiar with the historical sources,...
9592
fred60471
Jun 4, 2004 5:22 pm
... Hi Lady C, I would define "divine immanence" as the state of things as a result of an emanationist process. It is a well accepted part of the system of...
9593
fred60471
Jun 4, 2004 5:36 pm
... sometimes ... I feel familiar with the historical sources, I just needed a clue as to what you were talking about. ... our study of Gnosticism, since...
9594
pmcvflag
Jun 4, 2004 6:51 pm
Fred, I have already pointed our far better scholors than Jonas who express exactly the same concern that I do. In fact, Hans Jonas is not a scholor of Gnostic...
9595
pmcvflag
Jun 4, 2004 7:00 pm
BTW, Fred, Couliano is also a very poor source for this kind of thing.... and please, don't throw Eliade into the mix, we wish to maintain some integrety here...
9596
lady_caritas
Jun 5, 2004 7:21 pm
... using ... in ... result ... "State of things." Okay, Fred, this is still rather ambiguous to me. ... I am certainly aware of the emanation process used in...
