<<To verbalize understanding of the difference in one message, and elsewhere ask what is a creator if not a creator,>> Where did I ask *what is a creator if...
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incognito_lightbringer
incognito_li...
Apr 1, 2003 12:42 pm
I forgot to add: <<Even within the context of our discussions, "orthodox"; can have a generic meaning (straight- or right-thinking), or a specific one (such as...
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George
historynow2002
Apr 1, 2003 6:10 pm
Steve, Part of the motivation for my wanting to explore the "2nd Speech" at Masada is that it seems to share a space in the "transitional" period during which ...
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Steve Wenninger
eugnostos2000
Apr 2, 2003 3:43 am
... Dear George; Well, yes, I do see where you are coming from on that. Its difficult to say whether gnosticism in its incipient forms was originally of Jewish...
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George
historynow2002
Apr 2, 2003 5:24 am
Steve, You write: "What do you think; is Gnosticism to be seen as primarily Jewish or pagan in origin?" Such a good question! Naturally, I'm still in an...
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AJRoberti@...
troberti
Apr 2, 2003 4:07 pm
Hello everyone, I was just curious if anyone here was aware of a particular Gnostic reading for exousia? This word is used in the New Testament to refer to...
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lady_caritas
Apr 2, 2003 4:40 pm
... Hello, George. For consideration, …. another view of Shaye Cohen's about Josephus's intentions having more to do with literary and polemical purposes...
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lady_caritas
Apr 2, 2003 4:45 pm
... George, maybe we need to backtrack a bit first. Reading your posts, I see an overwhelming proclivity to define Gnosticism based on a negative worldview,...
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lady_caritas
Apr 2, 2003 6:27 pm
... reading ... the special ... to a ... seems to ... dynamis ("powers ... end, when ... rule and ... was ... I know of ... esoteric ... Hi, Tony. I'm not...
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George
historynow2002
Apr 2, 2003 6:36 pm
Dear Lady Caritas, I'm certainly moved by the persuasive discussion comparing one alleged event of "group suicide" with another alleged event. But I have to...
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George
historynow2002
Apr 2, 2003 9:31 pm
Cari, You write: " So, IOW, do we see "full-blown" Gnostics having "roots" in pagan or ... Such a good question! But I believe there has been a "triangle of...
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Steve Wenninger
eugnostos2000
Apr 3, 2003 7:06 am
... or ... within ... Dear George; I tend to think that our best bet in tracing gnostic thought would be to look at the history of Orphism in Hellenic culture....
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fred60471
Apr 3, 2003 10:58 am
Hi Everybody! Excuse me for jumping in media res, but I could remain silent no longer when Steve said, "I know that many people would like to trace pagan...
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AJRoberti@...
troberti
Apr 3, 2003 1:47 pm
Hello Cari, Jumping into the fray, << So, IOW, do we see "full-blown" Gnostics having "roots" in pagan or Jewish traditions in a conventional sense, or do we...
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ernststrohregenmantel...
ernststrohre...
Apr 3, 2003 1:57 pm
thank you for your thought Terje. this war is about demiurge extending his power. (remember Rome never died) and I'm surprised that no one here has commented...
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ernststrohregenmantel...
ernststrohre...
Apr 3, 2003 1:58 pm
Hi sorry to butt in but... ... without someone else dying for us. ... and selective god, but who cares-at least WE're saved if we but believe in Him. ... I...
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ernststrohregenmantel...
ernststrohre...
Apr 3, 2003 1:58 pm
hi, ... influence. Is there any such a thing as '"Jewish Gnosticism"? Or is it misnormer by Scholem?...
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ernststrohregenmantel...
ernststrohre...
Apr 3, 2003 1:58 pm
this is from the current issue of "Bible Review" http://www.biblereview.org/bswb_BR/bswbbr1902f3.html...
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ernststrohregenmantel...
ernststrohre...
Apr 3, 2003 1:58 pm
I found this book. I think it's too sensentionalized but it does rise an interesting speculation. What do you think? http://www.joeatwill.com/...
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ernststrohregenmantel...
ernststrohre...
Apr 3, 2003 1:58 pm
... Who's the heck is Carrie?...
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lady_caritas
Apr 3, 2003 2:14 pm
... Hello, Ernst. If I may butt in, too... I think Gerry was offering definitions for what developed into a more dogmatic, pistic "orthodox"; Christianity,...
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lady_caritas
Apr 3, 2003 2:27 pm
... particular ... thought ... kind ... tried ... Ah, so soon they forget... LOL Ernst, I think she was referring to me with an extra "r" and "e". Cari P. S....
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pessy@...
pessoa22000
Apr 3, 2003 3:50 pm
... The original sin is a vulgarised version of the Gnosticistic topic of the fall of the soul into matter. Augustinus plaggiated it from Manicheus. Long...
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pessy@...
pessoa22000
Apr 3, 2003 3:50 pm
... John Ben Zakkai lanced an anathema against jewish Gnostics. Also the Book of Sirach curses them. Klaus Schilling...
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George
historynow2002
Apr 3, 2003 4:09 pm
Steve, You write: "I tend to think that our best bet in tracing gnostic thought would ... Nice thought! Let me see what the other posts about this might have...
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pessy@...
pessoa22000
Apr 3, 2003 4:17 pm
... Orphism started way before Plato. Ptolemaios I was at least a century after Plato. Klaus Schilling...
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George
historynow2002
Apr 3, 2003 4:21 pm
Fred, I enjoyed your post about the "Amarna Period" as a time when the cross section of various forces might have initiated Gnosticism or Proto-Gnosticism. I...
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George
historynow2002
Apr 3, 2003 4:24 pm
Toni, I am familiar with the idea that there was a strong eastern component to Gnosticism. What is the oldest "Eastern" attestation to "the body - a tomb" type...
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lady_caritas
Apr 3, 2003 4:46 pm
... Okay, George, let's cut to the chase and just talk theology as seen in this Masada speech. I'll offer my biased, nonacademic opinion (although certainly ...
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Jose Galindo
saintggabriel
Apr 3, 2003 5:03 pm
Daniel 12 "Saint Michael" http://www.geocities.com/wbwbwb111/resurrection.html...
