... Ok ...its interesting yes....but I seek to do more than merely study...so I really dont see the point of spending a great deal of energy on somthing you ...
11770
Benjamin BAum
hoomerick6
Jan 7, 2006 6:35 pm
... Ok I was merely using this to illustrate the 2 ideas...that of Jesus the Christ...God...or Jesus tha magician who got special cosmic sperm to enter ...
11769
pmcvflag
Jan 7, 2006 6:33 pm
Ben ... I wanted to add to that statement. In this particular forum we are very careful to define what is Gnostic using the historical and academic outlines...
11768
pmcvflag
Jan 7, 2006 6:13 pm
Hey all, I'm back from my long time away. I'm still a bit tired from the last few days on planes, trains, and in cars, but I am excited to get back into...
11767
Gerry
gerryhsp
Jan 7, 2006 5:35 pm
... Neither was Irenaeus. He didn't even have the benefit of being all that nice. Gerry...
11766
Benjamin BAum
hoomerick6
Jan 7, 2006 5:24 pm
This is nice luci...but however I dont think it is Gnostic ... -- By working the soil we cultivate good manners Is to say "please" and "thank you" Especially...
11765
Benjamin BAum
hoomerick6
Jan 7, 2006 5:22 pm
... THere is much diofference Luci.....There were 2 trees in eden.....do you really require a lkong drawn out explanation of why magic is not mysticism? magick...
11764
Benjamin BAum
hoomerick6
Jan 7, 2006 5:22 pm
... No God is not always God....to a Gnostic most worship the Demi Urge...this is like "worshipping" God's leg..or his left eyeball...a PART not the ...
11763
lady_caritas
Jan 7, 2006 4:14 pm
... charge, the temple guardian. Everything in creation is not perfect, there is only one perfection. Like a thief, in the rabbinical sense, a helper, you give...
11762
LUCINDA MANNING
smallvoice333
Jan 7, 2006 3:51 pm
God is all things limited and unlimited. The creator was left in charge, the temple guardian. Everything in creation is not perfect, there is only one...
11761
lady_caritas
Jan 7, 2006 3:59 am
I won't dispute your statement, Luci. However, you also did originally assign attributes to this god of which you speak. For instance, one of these...
11760
LUCINDA MANNING
smallvoice333
Jan 7, 2006 2:06 am
God is God. Luci ... sometimes the people don't know what to do to help them and that it interrupts their spiritual evolution because they have no point of ...
11759
lady_caritas
Jan 6, 2006 10:16 pm
... sometimes the people don't know what to do to help them and that it interrupts their spiritual evolution because they have no point of relevance. So I...
11758
LUCINDA MANNING
smallvoice333
Jan 6, 2006 10:09 pm
Benjamin BAum <hoomerick2@...> wrote: On 1/5/06, LUCINDA MANNING <smallvoice333@...> wrote: yes, but my point was that some people have an...
11757
LUCINDA MANNING
smallvoice333
Jan 6, 2006 10:04 pm
SHrug..."a phantom sent to earth" a bit like magic floating sperm in the spirit realm waiting to incarnate....as opposed to God...but then that is a split...
11756
lady_caritas
Jan 6, 2006 10:03 pm
... Say, Ben, again, no one is screaming here. We're just seeking some accurate information and sometimes a glimpse of truth. I find it all interesting,...
11755
Benjamin BAum
hoomerick6
Jan 6, 2006 9:41 pm
... http://www.answers.com/ Members wore stones or gems cut in various symbolic forms, such as the heads of fowl and serpents. The Basilideans worshipped a...
11754
Benjamin BAum
hoomerick6
Jan 6, 2006 9:40 pm
... right the secrecy was as much to protect the group from "witch finders" but more so to protect those that weren't simply ready yet.... You don't give...
11753
lady_caritas
Jan 6, 2006 1:06 pm
... Of course, David Brons was referring only to the Valentinians, not other Gnostics like, oh, Sethians, for instance. but I dont ... I don't hear anyone...
11752
Benjamin BAum
hoomerick6
Jan 6, 2006 12:54 pm
... Should we give a box of matches and a gallon of gasoline to a child? -- By working the soil we cultivate good manners Is to say "please" and "thank you" ...
11751
LUCINDA MANNING
smallvoice333
Jan 6, 2006 5:18 am
yes, but my point was that some people have an awakening gift that others do not i would think the point of the secrecy of some groups was to protect innocent...
11750
Sonata WhiteOwl
sonatawhiteowl
Jan 6, 2006 4:28 am
aren't we all recipents of gifts from God? it is up to us to realize what they are and whether or not we choose to use them. ... ...
11749
LUCINDA MANNING
smallvoice333
Jan 6, 2006 1:17 am
Hello Gerry. It's not possible for a person to choose who is and who is not the recipients of gifts from God. They come from God alone. Luci ... Crispin, I...
11748
Benjamin BAum
hoomerick6
Jan 6, 2006 1:17 am
... Yes ..but as you mentioned "As David Brons mentioned in his essay on the organization of the Valentinian church, it seems that Valentinians didn't really...
11747
Benjamin BAum
hoomerick6
Jan 6, 2006 1:15 am
... Of course, regarding my original comments, I wasn't so much questioning the *private* portion of Valentinian services as I was the involvement of their...
11746
Gerry
gerryhsp
Jan 5, 2006 7:53 pm
... Crispin, I think I would carry that assertion even further. After all, wouldn't "secrecy" be characteristic of any esoteric system? Of course, regarding...
11745
Gerry
gerryhsp
Jan 5, 2006 7:38 pm
... Given the relative paucity of firsthand Gnostic material available to us, it's pretty much a given that we will find ourselves synthesizing information...
11744
Gerry
gerryhsp
Jan 5, 2006 7:06 pm
... Indeed, Bob, I think that Valentinus had a unique relationship with his group, just as both he and his school had early on with the greater community of...
11743
lady_caritas
Jan 1, 2006 8:51 pm
... for ... on ... interested ... further ... School, ... David ... reduced ... OH,... and Happy New Year to everyone!! :-) Cari...
11742
lady_caritas
Jan 1, 2006 6:35 pm
... Now that I've found the quote again, I'm not sure that he's not simply pointing out the need for the pneumatics to meet privately for the more specialized...
