Hi Fred,
Thanks for that... I knew there would (possibly) be issues with timing, but I
had to try it for myself.
I'm going to try a couple more USB servers to see if they are any better, but
all is not lost if they don't work.
I'm planning on using a USB server to monitor the VK5REX Icom D-Star repeater
remotely. Plugged into the RX USB socket and running the setting software in
expert mode gives you a great signal strength indication... all from the office
chair!

Michael.
VK5ZEA

--- In gmsk_dv_node@yahoogroups.com, "D Star" <star@...> wrote:
>
> Michael,
>
> You probably are having trouble with latency. DOn't forget that we are
> dealing
> with realtime (audio) traffic, which is first sent onto a non-realtime bus
> (in the
> current version of the API, anyway) and then it is passed on through a
> network
> which also is unaware of the timing constraints....
>
> --fred
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: gmsk_dv_node@yahoogroups.com [mailto:gmsk_dv_node@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of michaelcarey69
> Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 11:29 PM
> To: gmsk_dv_node@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [gmsk_dv_node] Re: off site hotspot
>
>
>
>
> Hi Terry,
> It just so happens that I ma currently experimenting with doing this very
> thing.
> My plan is to put a DV Node Adapter + radio at our clubs 2m repeater site,
> some 45 km North of Port Lincoln and then put the PC running DVAR Hot Spot
> at the VK5REX D-Star repeater site.
> My plan is to use a USB server at the remote site, a small box that allows
> you to access USB devices over a network, and then link it back to the main
> site using 802.11b WiFi. I could put the PC at the remote site and use the
> same WiFi link... but that is just asking for trouble, especially with
> winter approaching... it's hard enough keeping PC's happy in a warm dry
> environment!
>
> I don't know of anyone else who has done this yet so it is very experimental
> at this stage... but hey, that's what ham radio is all about isn't it?
> I bought a WinStar USB server :-
> http://win-star.com/eshop/goods.php?id=60
> Connected it to my home network, plugged in the DV Node Adapter, installed
> the software on my PC and held my breath.
> The software found the DV Node Adapter and when I connected to it proceeded
> to load the drivers for it.
> The DV Node Adapter appeared in the Device Manager as if it was plugged
> directly into a local USB socket, I fired up DVAR Hot Spot and it appeared
> in the DV Node Adapter Status box. All good!!!
> I then keyed up my IC-91AD and was pleased to see my callsign and message
> appear in DVAR Hot Spot... but this is where the story turns sour... while
> it received data FROM the DV Node Adapter perfectly, the USB server could
> not send it properly. When DVAR Hot Spot tried to transmit, it wouldn't
> work. The radio would key, but only random tones were transmitted.
> Strike one for the WinStar server.
>
> I haven't given up, I have found a USB server from a different
> manufacturer... I'll try it and see how I go.
>
> Michael.
> VK5ZEA
>
> --- In gmsk_dv_node@yahoogroups.com <mailto:gmsk_dv_node%40yahoogroups.com>
> , "tparty2k" <tparty2k@> wrote:
> >
> > ok I have access to put the hotspot at our clubs old repeater site .. but
> the site doesnt have internet access .. how would I set this up to connect
> to another station locally that does have internet access ..
> >
> > Terry
> > W5TMP
> >
>

Hi Terry,
It just so happens that I ma currently experimenting with doing this very thing.
My plan is to put a DV Node Adapter + radio at our clubs 2m repeater site, some
45 km North of Port Lincoln and then put the PC running DVAR Hot Spot at the
VK5REX D-Star repeater site.
My plan is to use a USB server at the remote site, a small box that allows you
to access USB devices over a network, and then link it back to the main site
using 802.11b WiFi. I could put the PC at the remote site and use the same WiFi
link... but that is just asking for trouble, especially with winter
approaching... it's hard enough keeping PC's happy in a warm dry environment!

I don't know of anyone else who has done this yet so it is very experimental at
this stage... but hey, that's what ham radio is all about isn't it?
I bought a WinStar USB server :-
http://win-star.com/eshop/goods.php?id=60
Connected it to my home network, plugged in the DV Node Adapter, installed the
software on my PC and held my breath.
The software found the DV Node Adapter and when I connected to it proceeded to
load the drivers for it.
The DV Node Adapter appeared in the Device Manager as if it was plugged directly
into a local USB socket, I fired up DVAR Hot Spot and it appeared in the DV Node
Adapter Status box. All good!!!
I then keyed up my IC-91AD and was pleased to see my callsign and message appear
in DVAR Hot Spot... but this is where the story turns sour... while it received
data FROM the DV Node Adapter perfectly, the USB server could not send it
properly. When DVAR Hot Spot tried to transmit, it wouldn't work. The radio
would key, but only random tones were transmitted.
Strike one for the WinStar server.

I haven't given up, I have found a USB server from a different manufacturer...
I'll try it and see how I go.

Michael.
VK5ZEA

--- In gmsk_dv_node@yahoogroups.com, "tparty2k" <tparty2k@...> wrote:
>
> ok I have access to put the hotspot at our clubs old repeater site .. but the
site doesnt have internet access .. how would I set this up to connect to
another station locally that does have internet access ..
>
> Terry
> W5TMP
>

You can use DVAR Hot Spot and your node adapter to provide DPlus linking
for a stand-alone D-STAR repeater.  If you are using a node adapter,
separate RX/TX radios, duplexer, etc. for your stand alone repeater,
then in addition to that you'll need another node adapter, PC, and
simplex radio at a remote location that has access to the internet.  The
simplex radio for this auxiliary station should be set up with a
standard TX/RX split to access the repeater just like any other D-STAR
end user radio.

There are some specific settings in DVAR Hot Spot that must be set for
the auxiliary station to correctly provide D-PLUS linking for the stand
alone repeater.  I'd suggest waiting just a few hours longer for the
next release of DVAR Hot Spot v2.56, because there are some changes in
the settings that will make this particular operation somewhat easier to
set up.  I'll make it available later today or early tomorrow (I'm UTC -4)

Mark (KB9KHM)


tparty2k wrote:
> ok I have access to put the hotspot at our clubs old repeater site .. but the
site doesnt have internet access .. how would I set this up to connect to
another station locally that does have internet access ..
>
> Terry
> W5TMP
>
>


________________________________________________________________________
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Depending on the other transmitters at the site, a 900MHz or
5.7/5.8GHz IP radio link would do the trick.  As long as you've got a
location within LOS you should be able to make it work.  I'd avoid
2.4GHz if possible.  The link may be good one day and fail the next
due to interference or new users.

73-N5VFF/Brian


On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 7:46 AM, tparty2k <tparty2k@...> wrote:
> ok I have access to put the hotspot at our clubs old repeater site .. but the
site doesnt have internet access .. how would I set this up to connect to
another station locally that does have internet access ..
>
> Terry
> W5TMP
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: tparty2k

To: gmsk_dv_node@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 7:46 AM

Subject: [gmsk_dv_node] off site hotspot

 

ok I have access to put the hotspot at our clubs old repeater site .. but the site doesnt have internet access .. how would I set this up to connect to another station locally that does have internet access ..

Terry
W5TMP

ok I have access to put the hotspot at our clubs old repeater site .. but the
site doesnt have internet access .. how would I set this up to connect to
another station locally that does have internet access ..

Terry
W5TMP

K4RBM SAYS 73 FROM CLEVELAND GEORGIA

 

But what gets you is that it works great on receive but  you just can't get the xmt to settle down and pass low speed data.  I got audio through it and it sounded great but only every now and then just enough to keep you beating your head against the wall.

Thanks for the info, I love this site.

Ron

K4RBM SAYS 73 FROM CLEVELAND GEORGIA

On 5/29/2010 9:06 AM, Mark Phillips wrote:

 

Warning Will Robinson!!

This line of Icom rigs is PM not FM. Thus it won't work with GMSK data
such as D-STAR.

Mark

On 05/28/2010 07:35 PM, Ronald wrote:
> Anyone have any experience with this radio as hot spot? I did see my 91ad in the rf column once and see incoming data from node software but my 91ad only hears hash. Any help?
>
> Ron K4RBM
>

K4RBM SAYS 73 FROM CLEVELAND GEORGIA

 

Warning Will Robinson!!

This line of Icom rigs is PM not FM. Thus it won't work with GMSK data
such as D-STAR.

Mark

On 05/28/2010 07:35 PM, Ronald wrote:
> Anyone have any experience with this radio as hot spot? I did see my 91ad in the rf column once and see incoming data from node software but my 91ad only hears hash. Any help?
>
> Ron K4RBM
>

K4RBM SAYS 73 FROM CLEVELAND GEORGIA

 

Warning Will Robinson!!

This line of Icom rigs is PM not FM. Thus it won't work with GMSK data
such as D-STAR.

Mark

On 05/28/2010 07:35 PM, Ronald wrote:
> Anyone have any experience with this radio as hot spot? I did see my 91ad in the rf column once and see incoming data from node software but my 91ad only hears hash. Any help?
>
> Ron K4RBM
>

K4RBM SAYS 73 FROM CLEVELAND GEORGIA

 

Right. Well, since Satoshi's (older) boards come with a 6-pin header connector to

which you have to "fit" your cable, that's what it means.  Also don't forget the cap

in the RX line!

 

--f

---

From: gmsk_dv_node@yahoogroups.com [mailto:gmsk_dv_node@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ronald B. McEntire
Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 3:01 PM
To: gmsk_dv_node@yahoogroups.com
Cc: D Star
Subject: Re: [gmsk_dv_node] ft 857 cable

 

"Fit" is a rather scary word.

K4RBM SAYS 73 FROM CLEVELAND GEORGIA

On 5/29/2010 8:54 AM, D Star wrote:

 

Yep, it will, if you make the other end "fit" whatever you have set for the satoshi board...

 

--f

---

From: gmsk_dv_node@yahoogroups.com [mailto:gmsk_dv_node@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ronald
Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 2:46 PM
To: gmsk_dv_node@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [gmsk_dv_node] ft 857 cable

 

Will the ct-39 cable work on an 857 to Satoshi board?
Why make one when I have one laying around.

Ron

Warning Will Robinson!!

This line of Icom rigs is PM not FM. Thus it won't work with GMSK data
such as D-STAR.

Mark

On 05/28/2010 07:35 PM, Ronald wrote:
> Anyone have any experience with this radio as hot spot?  I did see my 91ad in
the rf column once and see incoming data from node software but my 91ad only
hears hash.  Any help?
>
> Ron K4RBM
>

K4RBM SAYS 73 FROM CLEVELAND GEORGIA

 

Yep, it will, if you make the other end "fit" whatever you have set for the satoshi board...

 

--f

---

From: gmsk_dv_node@yahoogroups.com [mailto:gmsk_dv_node@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ronald
Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 2:46 PM
To: gmsk_dv_node@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [gmsk_dv_node] ft 857 cable

 

Will the ct-39 cable work on an 857 to Satoshi board?
Why make one when I have one laying around.

Ron

Will the ct-39 cable work on an 857 to Satoshi board?
Why make one when I have one laying around.

Ron

K4RBM SAYS 73 FROM CLEVELAND GEORGIA

 

The instructions of Fred are good,

 

Ramesh mentioned that his version of the TM-271 didn’t have the TNC connector.  But he was able to find the TNC connector pins inside the radio and get the signal out from there.  You might have to do that depending on the TM-271 version.

 

Hopefully Fred or Ramesh can help if you have specific problems.

 

Emanuel

 

From: gmsk_dv_node@yahoogroups.com [mailto:gmsk_dv_node@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ronald
Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 07:47
To: gmsk_dv_node@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [gmsk_dv_node] Re: Kenwood TM-271 for Hot Spot

 

 

I went to the web site but didn't find any thing on the tm-271. I would like some more info on it as I have an extra one laying around and would like to see the set up and wiring of the plug for Satoshi.

Ron

--- In gmsk_dv_node@yahoogroups.com, "Emanuel Corthay - VE3IJI" <ve3iji@...> wrote:
>
> Hi "sregnifs",
>
>
>
> Ramesh VA3UV is using a TM-271 and it works great with a Satoshi board. His
> website is www.va3uv.com
>
>
>
> Emanuel VE3IJI
>
>
>
> From: gmsk_dv_node@yahoogroups.com [mailto:gmsk_dv_node@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of sregnifs
> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 18:05
> To: gmsk_dv_node@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [gmsk_dv_node] Kenwood TM-271 for Hot Spot
>
>
>
>
>
> Has any one connected a TM-271 to a node controller for a hotspot?
>

K4RBM SAYS 73 FROM CLEVELAND GEORGIA

 

Ron,

The TM-271 is a regular FM-modulated amateur transceiver for the 2m band,
and it comes with a standard MiniDIN6 ("PS/2") styled data connector for
connecting it to a TNC.

For our (GMSK) use, make a cable as follows:

Mini-DIN6 DUTCH*Star DB9 Satoshi 6pin
1 DATA_IN 1 1
2 GND 5 2
3 PTT 4 3
4 DATA_96 3 4
5 DATA_12 N/C N/C
6 SQL 2 6

You probably have to insert a 10uF capacitor in the RX line, so, between
pin 4 of Satoshi's connector and the radio, as that isn't present on his
board, and most radios would like one there (to block the DC voltage
coming out of the radio's detector circuit.)

Once that is done, set the radio to use 9600 mode (default is 1200), as per
the radio manual:

------------------------
DATA COMMUNICATION SPEED

When the transceiver is connected to a TNC {page 7}
(E market models only), you can adjust the
communication speed between 1200 bps and 9600 bps.

1 Press [F], [MENU] and turn the Tuning control to
select Menu No. 39 (DT).
2 Press [MENU] and turn the Tuning control to select
“1200” (default) or “9600”.
3 Press [MENU] to store the setting or any other key to
cancel.
4 Press any key other than [MENU] to exit Menu Mode
------------------------

You may also want to set the radio to Narrow-FM mode to
trim the generated signal (less deviation). Page 60 of
the manual says:

-----------------------------
NARROW BAND FM OPERATION

By default, the transceiver operates in normal FM
(±5 kHz) mode for both transmission and reception. You
can also operate the transceiver in narrow band FM
(±2.5 kHz).

To operate the transceiver in narrow band FM:

1 Press [F], [MENU] and turn the Tuning control to
select Menu No. 26 (FMN).
2 Press [MENU] and turn the Tuning control to select
“ON” or “OFF” (default)
3 Press [MENU] to store the setting or any other key to
cancel.
4 Press any key other than [MENU] to exit Menu Mode.
When narrow band FM operation is ON, “N” appears in
the top right of the LCD.
------------------------------

This should be all that's needed to connect the TM-271 to the board.

Cheers,

Fred PA4YBR
--
Fred N. van Kempen, PA4YBR <info@...>
The DUTCH*Star Project http://www.dutch-star.eu/

Ron,

The TM-271 is a regular FM-modulated amateur transceiver for the 2m band,
and it comes with a standard MiniDIN6 ("PS/2") styled data connector for
connecting it to a TNC.

For our (GMSK) use, make a cable as follows:

	 Mini-DIN6  DUTCH*Star DB9 Satoshi 6pin
	 1  DATA_IN 	 1 	 1
	 2  GND 	 5 	 2
	 3  PTT 	 4 	 3
	 4  DATA_96 	 3 	 4
	 5  DATA_12 	     N/C 	     N/C
	 6  SQL 	 2 	 6

You probably have to insert a 10uF capacitor in the RX line, so, between
pin 4 of Satoshi's connector and the radio, as that isn't present on his
board, and most radios would like one there (to block the DC voltage
coming out of the radio's detector circuit.)

Once that is done, set the radio to use 9600 mode (default is 1200), as per
the radio manual:

------------------------
DATA COMMUNICATION SPEED

When the transceiver is connected to a TNC {page 7}
(E market models only), you can adjust the
communication speed between 1200 bps and 9600 bps.

1 Press [F], [MENU] and turn the Tuning control to
   select Menu No. 39 (DT).
2 Press [MENU] and turn the Tuning control to select
   “1200” (default) or “9600”.
3 Press [MENU] to store the setting or any other key to
   cancel.
4 Press any key other than [MENU] to exit Menu Mode
------------------------

You may also want to set the radio to Narrow-FM mode to
trim the generated signal (less deviation). Page 60 of
the manual says:

-----------------------------
NARROW BAND FM OPERATION

By default, the transceiver operates in normal FM
(±5 kHz) mode for both transmission and reception. You
can also operate the transceiver in narrow band FM
(±2.5 kHz).

To operate the transceiver in narrow band FM:

1 Press [F], [MENU] and turn the Tuning control to
   select Menu No. 26 (FMN).
2 Press [MENU] and turn the Tuning control to select
   “ON” or “OFF” (default)
3 Press [MENU] to store the setting or any other key to
   cancel.
4 Press any key other than [MENU] to exit Menu Mode.
   When narrow band FM operation is ON, “N” appears in
   the top right of the LCD.
------------------------------

This should be all that's needed to connect the TM-271 to the board.

Cheers,

Fred PA4YBR
--
Fred N. van Kempen, PA4YBR              <info@...>
The DUTCH*Star Project                 http://www.dutch-star.eu/

I went to the web site but didn't find any thing on the tm-271.  I would like
some more info on it as I have an extra one laying around and would like to see
the set up and wiring of the plug for Satoshi.

Ron

--- In gmsk_dv_node@yahoogroups.com, "Emanuel Corthay - VE3IJI" <ve3iji@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi "sregnifs",
>
>
>
> Ramesh VA3UV is using a TM-271 and it works great with a Satoshi board.  His
> website is www.va3uv.com
>
>
>
> Emanuel VE3IJI
>
>
>
> From: gmsk_dv_node@yahoogroups.com [mailto:gmsk_dv_node@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of sregnifs
> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 18:05
> To: gmsk_dv_node@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [gmsk_dv_node] Kenwood TM-271 for Hot Spot
>
>
>
>
>
> Has any one connected a TM-271 to a node controller for a hotspot?
>

K4RBM SAYS 73 FROM CLEVELAND GEORGIA

 

Hi Ron,
I spent a lot of time with the IC-F121S radio trying to get it to work with the DV Node Adapter boards... My original plan was to use two plus the DV Node Adapter as a stand alone repeater.

I able to get receive to work OK using the discriminator out line on the OPC-617 cable, but I couldn't get transmit to work properly. It would transmit and I could hear audio on a D-Star radio, but it sounded terrible, the FEC was working overtime to try and correct the errors. No slow speed data would make it through at all.
In the end I gave up and used different radios, both of my IC-F121S radios have been re-tasked. I found out later that they are not pure FM radios, they use PM (phase modulation).
Another issue I found is that they get VERY hot, even on 5W they get uncomfortably hot on extended transmit... no good for D-Star nets.

Michael.
VK5ZEA

--- In gmsk_dv_node@yahoogroups.com, "Ronald" <k4rbm@...> wrote:
>
> Anyone have any experience with this radio as hot spot? I did see my 91ad in the rf column once and see incoming data from node software but my 91ad only hears hash. Any help?
>
> Ron K4RBM
>

Hi Ron,
I spent a lot of time with the IC-F121S radio trying to get it to work with the
DV Node Adapter boards... My original plan was to use two plus the DV Node
Adapter as a stand alone repeater.

I able to get receive to work OK using the discriminator out line on the OPC-617
cable, but I couldn't get transmit to work properly. It would transmit and I
could hear audio on a D-Star radio, but it sounded terrible, the FEC was working
overtime to try and correct the errors. No slow speed data would make it through
at all.
In the end I gave up and used different radios, both of my IC-F121S radios have
been re-tasked. I found out later that they are not pure FM radios, they use PM
(phase modulation).
Another issue I found is that they get VERY hot, even on 5W they get
uncomfortably hot on extended transmit... no good for D-Star nets.

Michael.
VK5ZEA

--- In gmsk_dv_node@yahoogroups.com, "Ronald" <k4rbm@...> wrote:
>
> Anyone have any experience with this radio as hot spot?  I did see my 91ad in
the rf column once and see incoming data from node software but my 91ad only
hears hash.  Any help?
>
> Ron K4RBM
>

Anyone have any experience with this radio as hot spot?  I did see my 91ad in
the rf column once and see incoming data from node software but my 91ad only
hears hash.  Any help?

Ron K4RBM

Yes both singly for simplex and as a pair as full duplex repeater. Works
fine.

Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: "sregnifs" <sfinger@...>
To: <gmsk_dv_node@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 6:05 PM
Subject: [gmsk_dv_node] Kenwood TM-271 for Hot Spot


> Has any one connected a TM-271 to a node controller for a hotspot?
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Yes both singly for simplex and as a pair as full duplex repeater. Works
fine.

Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: "sregnifs" <sfinger@...>
To: <gmsk_dv_node@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 6:05 PM
Subject: [gmsk_dv_node] Kenwood TM-271 for Hot Spot


> Has any one connected a TM-271 to a node controller for a hotspot?
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Has any one connected a TM-271 to a node controller for a hotspot?

Auto-Invert setting is not a good thing. You can use it at first
to determine which setting your radio needs, but once that is
known, I usually turn it (AutoPolarity) off again.

--f

________________________________

From: gmsk_dv_node@yahoogroups.com [mailto:gmsk_dv_node@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 6:49 PM
To: gmsk_dv_node@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [gmsk_dv_node] Re: Kenwood TM-V71




Hi Neil,

While I do not have your model of radio, I have found toggling the Auto will
make a difference as well as the TX and RX boxes.  I also found the mode
page in the configuration will affect the performance.


At 09:36 AM 5/17/2010, you wrote:




	 i adjusted the rs pot so when tx on my handheld all the led lights
are on. I have changed the tx pot several times and still no audio on my
hand held.

	 --- In gmsk_dv_node@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:gmsk_dv_node%40yahoogroups.com> , "Barry" <barrymung@...> wrote:
	 >
	 > Check and modify the TX pot for correct deviation and you should
be able to
	 > play..
	 >
	 >
	 >
	 > Neil G7EBY
	 >
	 >
	 >
	 > From: gmsk_dv_node@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:gmsk_dv_node%40yahoogroups.com>  [
mailto:gmsk_dv_node@yahoogroups.com <mailto:gmsk_dv_node@yahoogroups.com> ]
On
	 > Behalf Of W8CTC
	 > Sent: 17 May 2010 16:05
	 > To: gmsk_dv_node@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:gmsk_dv_node%40yahoogroups.com>
	 > Subject: [gmsk_dv_node] Re: Kenwood TM-V71
	 >
	 >
	 >
	 >
	 >
	 > I set the tx invert, still no luck.
	 >
	 > --- In gmsk_dv_node@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:gmsk_dv_node%40yahoogroups.com>  <
mailto:gmsk_dv_node%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:gmsk_dv_node@yahoogroups.com>
>
	 > , "D Star" <star@> wrote:
	 > >
	 > > Hello W8CTC,
	 > >
	 > > You probably have to set the TX Invert flag for that radio,
then. Go to
	 > the
	 > > configuration
	 > > software, and set the TX Invert flag.
	 > >
	 > > Cheers,
	 > >
	 > > Fred PA4YBR
	 > >
	 > > _____
	 > >
	 > > From: gmsk_dv_node@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:gmsk_dv_node%40yahoogroups.com>  <
mailto:gmsk_dv_node%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:gmsk_dv_node@yahoogroups.com>
>
	 > [mailto: gmsk_dv_node@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:gmsk_dv_node%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:gmsk_dv_node%40yahoogroups.com>
	 > ] On
	 > > Behalf Of W8CTC
	 > > Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 4:49 PM
	 > > To: gmsk_dv_node@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:gmsk_dv_node%40yahoogroups.com>  <
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	 > > Subject: [gmsk_dv_node] Kenwood TM-V71
	 > >
	 > >
	 > >
	 > >
	 > > Hello I am trying to setup a hotspot and I am using a Kenwood
TM-v71 radio
	 > > for the rf. On the echotest I see my info and all looks good.
However When
	 > > it says playing I see it is transmitting on the radio and I am
receiving a
	 > > signal on my Id92ad in dv mode but hear nothing and the radio
says fm-det.
	 > >
	 >



73
Dave
KG6NUO

Hi Eric,

Strange. The firmware doesn't "do" anything with sensitivity (as this
is handled by the radio.)  However, what MAY be the case is that it is
responding to COS signals too slow.

With the DUTCH*Star firmware, the best "mode" is to use SoftCOS, which
means that the Hotspot does not use the COS signal from the radio at
all: it will constantly monitor the data coming in from the radio (which
is random garbage if no valid signal is present), and when it DOES see a
valid signal (because all of a sudden, he bits start making sense ;-) it
will signal the COS state internally.

Go to NAWinCFG, select the Mode screen, and clear the "COS Check" box,
then save.  Disabling COS checking enables SoftCOS. You can see this
because in thise mode, the green LED will light up dimly.  When a valid
signal arrives, it will light up as normal.

Try that!

Cheers,

Fred


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From: gmsk_dv_node@yahoogroups.com [mailto:gmsk_dv_node@yahoogroups.com] On
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Subject: Re: [gmsk_dv_node] Direct Inbound Connection Question ???




Fred,


I make several Test this week with DVAR Hot Spot 2.50 and your firmware and
Satoshi Firmware 4.48.1.L


All two working very good with DVAR Hot SPot 2.50, and NATOOLS Drivers....


But I remark one thing on my repeater.... I loss few sensitivity with your
firmware, i reajust the RX Audio and cannot get the sensitivity of Satoshi
Firmware 4.48.1L...


I remark if i adjust the RX audio, it influence the COS led also..... Seems
to have a link between the RX audio and COS in your Firmware issue...


For this time, i reinstall the Satoshi Firmware 4.48.1L, i take the same
sensitivity between analog and digital signal with this version...


In esperence this info serve to you !


73'z Eric VE2NBZ



From: D Star <mailto:star@...>
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Very good, Eric !

I keep forgetting that older boards (from before the firmware release)
didn't have that
resistor, and so the I/O pin I use to tell the bootloader to enter PROGRAM
mode is
always active ... ouch!

--fred


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[mailto:gmsk_dv_node@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Dufour
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Fred,

This is the loss in Puzzle !!

I add 100k resistor between pin 1 & 20 and BAM, all working now !
I upload the bootloader in 2 PIC, and after programming it with NAwincfg,
and working now !

Thank You very much for this Excellent support !



73'z Eric VE2NBZ





From: D Star <mailto:star@...>
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 7:57 PM
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Subject: RE: [gmsk_dv_node] Direct Inbound Connection Question ???



Oh!

I just remembered.... are you running one of Mark's boards, or a Satoshi
board?

If yes.. please solder a resistor (between 10K and 100K) between pins 1
(RESET)
and 20 (VCC) of the PIC chip.  Without it, it will "remain" in PROGRAM
mode...

Sorry I didnt think of this first!

--fred

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[mailto:gmsk_dv_node@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Dufour
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Subject: Re: [gmsk_dv_node] Direct Inbound Connection Question ???




Fred,


I make this mods also, i copy this file in my Windows/system32 and
NATOOLS/bin folder and nothing....


The NAWINCFG not detect my board... I plug my USB cable and Beep beep sound,
deconnect and also beep beep, but nothing....


I'm not understand wjat i not accomplish good, i read all pdf file and make
all same, program my firmware and have green screen after it...


73'z Eric VE2NBZ



From: D Star <mailto:star@...>
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 7:12 PM
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Subject: RE: [gmsk_dv_node] Direct Inbound Connection Question ???



You are probably running Windows XP.  Also download the "winusb" zip file on
the site, and
install it as explained in the readme.txt file in it.  This is a problem
with the NAtools, which is
fixed in the new one.

--fred


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From: gmsk_dv_node@yahoogroups.com <mailto:gmsk_dv_node@yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:gmsk_dv_node@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Dufour
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Subject: Re: [gmsk_dv_node] Direct Inbound Connection Question ???




Fred,


Ok yes i read the pdf file, i download the zip package and install the
bootloader in my pic, and i succes to program the pic with NAWINCFG


But Deconnect and reconnect the board and not detect it....



73'z Eric



From: D Star <mailto:star@...>
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 5:42 PM
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Subject: RE: [gmsk_dv_node] Direct Inbound Connection Question ???



1. Go to the site, log in, and download the "HSA Firmware Base Package" ZIP
file.

2. That file contain a "boot.hex" file, which is the DUTCH*Star bootloader
for
the PIC chips. Program that into your PIC chip using WinPIC.

3. Read the PDF document which is in the same ZIP file. I mean that- read
it.

4. Now that you have read the document (you did, right?), you know how to
download the firmware file from the website. Do that, and program tha
into the PIC chip as explained in Chapter 5 of the document :)

Cheers,

Fred

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Subject: Re: [gmsk_dv_node] Direct Inbound Connection Question ???

FRed,

What is the bootloader ?

I never heard about it...


73'z Eric

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Subject: RE: [gmsk_dv_node] Direct Inbound Connection Question ???

Eric,

You DID program the bootloader with Winpic, and then used NAtools to program
the
firmware file into the chip, right?

--fred

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Subject: Re: [gmsk_dv_node] Direct Inbound Connection Question ???

Fred,


Thank you i receive and download the firmware.


But after programming with my WinPic, nothing, the naconfig not detect my
board....It seems to have no Firmware ?


I use the same Software and programmer for programming my pic, but seems to
not working ?


Any Idea ?


73'z Eric VE2NBZ


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Subject: RE: [gmsk_dv_node] Direct Inbound Connection Question ???

Hi Eric,

Check your mailbox :)

I never worked with V4.21 (don't have it) so never tested that with the
tools, sorry...

--fred


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Subject: Re: [gmsk_dv_node] Direct Inbound Connection Question ???

Hi Fred,


I'm just install DVAR Hot Spot 2.50 and NATOOLS, but not work with Satoshi
4.21 Firmware,


I buy this morning the Dutch*Star Firmware 0.01.00F, i'm just in attempt to
receive the Licence for download it and test it...



73'z Eric VE2NBZ



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Subject: RE: [gmsk_dv_node] Direct Inbound Connection Question ???

Eric,

Normally, that should work.


REF017 A ---------- PE1IYR (Salo)
|
PI1BSM B (my DVAR repeater)
|
|
PA5TYS N (DVAR hotspot, connected to
PI1BSM B inbound)
|
PA5TYS

So, PA5TYS (on his IC-E80 HT) has his hotspot (simplex) connected to my DVAR
hotspot
repeater. That repeater is also connected to our national reflector (017
A). When Salo PE1IYR
(also connected to REF017 A) talks, everyone on my repeater can (of course)
hear that. But
so can Thijs, through his hotspot! If Thijs speaks, everyone can hear him,
too.

If this does not work for you,
check if the connecting hotspot (PA5TYS N in this example) connects to the
correct band
module of the DVAR repeater (PI1BSM B in this example, so, the B module) ..
if the wrong
module is selected, the connection will be fine, but they won't hear
anything...

Also: upgrade to a newer version of DVAR Hotspot, 2.38 is very, very old..

Cheers,

Fred


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Subject: [gmsk_dv_node] Direct Inbound Connection Question ???

Mark KB9KHM,

I remark if station is connected to my Hot Spot by Direct connection
Inbound,

and my Hot Spot is connected to Gateway or Reflector and a Ham Speek on This
gateway or Reflector,

the station connected on my Direct inbound connection not listen the
conversation on the Gateway ?

Its Normal ?


I use DVAR Hot Spot 2.38 with Satoshi Firmware 4.21....



73'z Eric VE2NBZ