Sociopath? No. Delusional? Maybe. Misguided? Maybe.
Othar BELIEVES what he is doing is right. And let's face it, for the
most part he is right. Most sparks the world knows of are dangerous
madmen(and madwomen) who care little about the people who get caught
in their petty wars.
Even the lovable goofs of the circus are potentialy dangerous.

--- In girlgenius@yahoogroups.com, Michael Telford
<whitewings1@m...> wrote:
>
> On Aug 31, 2005, at 11:08 AM, Blade wrote:
>
> > --- In girlgenius@yahoogroups.com, Michael Telford
<whitewings1@m...>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Aug 31, 2005, at 7:22 AM, brellchild wrote:
> >>
> >>> their own theme songs. Klaus gets the Imperial March
> >>> from Star Wars IMHO.
> >>>
> >>
> >> And Othar gets the Wile E. Coyote theme.
> >>
> >
> > Gee, I was thinking of the old Underdog theme song for Othar ...
> >
> > Blade
>
> Underdog was a hero. Othar is a sociopath.

--- In girlgenius@yahoogroups.com, "quarkstomper" <kurtoons@c...>
wrote:
> --- In girlgenius@yahoogroups.com, "tinrat07" <tinrat07@y...> wrote:
> > Agatha is after organ parts...
>
> *double-take*
>
> Sorry.  Need to get my mind out of the gutter.

You and me both my friend. I'm just glad you said it first. I'd hate
to become known as the group perv.**insert your own Mythadventures
joke here**

Oh cool! You do that?


--- In girlgenius@yahoogroups.com, "Blade" <elbereth@d...> wrote:
> I've just uploaded a kit-bash in sterling: you take a sterling bat
and
> a sterling trilobite and you get Agatha's Jägerkin.  @;7
>
> Blade

Yikes! Pity about the tree. Glad everyone is alright.

I'd offer my couch/sleeper to anyone who needed it if I weren't at
the wrong end of the country.And then there's all my dogs......

--- In girlgenius@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Jackson" <daglob@y...>
wrote:
> --- In girlgenius@yahoogroups.com, Mary Lowe-Hentges
<annechen67@y...>
> wrote:
> > [...and I wanna know what the hell did Corgi do to it to piss
Katrina
> off.]
> >
> > Maybe Corgi just got in the way. They're closing schools in TN
> tomorrow due to her visit, for FSM's sake!
> >
> >
>
> Now I'm wondering what I did to piss her off. A nice, big (4'
dia.) oak
> tree fell on my house and rolled down the roof, punching dent in
the
> roof the size of a child's swimming pool, crushed the rafters and
> caused the ceiling in my bedroom to cave in. Then I had water
pouring
> onto my bed, which I moved and then had to empty pots every
fifteen
> minutes for most fo the storm. To top it off, another limb damaged
my
> power line (I'm on my brother's computer), so I've been told not
to
> look for any relief from 90 degree weather and 90% humidity for at
> least a week.

Karrion wrote:

>Sociopath? No. Delusional? Maybe. Misguided? Maybe.
>
Oh, there's no question.  Othar is delusional and misguided -- he thinks
he's the hero of a serial adventure story, and that God will protect him
from death or permanent injury.  I think delusions of that type are a
recognized symptom of paranoia.

>Othar BELIEVES what he is doing is right. And let's face it, for the
>most part he is right. Most sparks the world knows of are dangerous
>madmen(and madwomen) who care little about the people who get caught
>in their petty wars.
>
Being right about the problem (Sparks tend to be dangerous to anyone
within miles of them) doesn't make Othar right about the solution to the
problem (kill them all before they can defend themselves.)

--- In girlgenius@yahoogroups.com, Martin J Hooper <martinjh@b...> wrote:
> Blade wrote:
> > ... Agatha's Jägerkin.  @;7
>
> Where abouts is it?  Files or Photos??
>
> Can't seem to find it :(

Gah!  Sorry, should have said:  it's under Photos, on the second page.

Blade  @8[

--- In girlgenius@yahoogroups.com, "Karrion" <darthkarrion@e...> wrote:
> Oh cool! You do that?

Yes and no.  I have done a bit of silversmithing in the past, but in
this case, I combined two other people's work that I won on eBay (The
Source of All Things (TM)).  I took a sterling bat pendant (perfect
wings!) from Scotland:

http://tinyurl.com/878ob

And added one of Paul Badali's wonderful trilobite castings:

http://tinyurl.com/dltfc

I eyedballed the auctions, and as it turned out, they fit perfectly!
Then I *was* gonna silver-solder, but I got impatient ... and what
indeed says "mad science" better than Crazy Glue?  Voila!

Blade  @;7

--- In girlgenius@yahoogroups.com, "Karrion" <darthkarrion@e...> wrote:
>
> Even the lovable goofs of the circus are potentialy dangerous.
>


"'Dangerous!' cried Gandalf.  'And so am I, very dangerous:  more
dangerous than anything you will ever meet, unless you are brought
alive before the seat of the Dark Lord.  And Aragorn is dangersous,
and Legolas is dangerous.  You are beset with dangers, Gimli son of
Gloin;for you are dangerous yourself, in your own fashion.'"

--The Two Towers

There is also the simple fact that changes in diet and environment can have an
affect (generally minor) on hair color.  Since what we are talking about is
bsically differences in highlighting, and the Circus undoubtedly is going to
have a quite varried diet available to them, this is also something to consider.
Not necessarily seriously...

Nathan




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I'd like to thoroughly compliment Cheyenne on his colouring so far!

(Yez, he schtayz inzide de linez und effryting!)

His rendition of Yeti's fur is lovely -- it really gives the impression
of fur!  A terribly difficult thing to do in the comics medium; has he
been cribbing technique from CGI, I wonder?

A very nice job, Mr. Wright!  @;7

Blade

--- In girlgenius@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Jackson" <daglob@y...> wrote:
> ... A nice, big (4' dia.) oak
> tree fell on my house and rolled down the roof ...
> ... I've been told not to
> look for any relief from 90 degree weather and 90% humidity for at
> least a week.

Ack!  But I've been thinking of you (and all the rest in this group
who were "in the way" when Katrina came ashore), and it's good
to "hear your voice"!

Speaking of weathering the storm, I've finally heard news of Bob
Asprin:  he sat it out in the French Quarter, and I understand he was
surprised to hear how badly the rest of New Orleans had been hit --
his apartment came through fine.  He was scheduled to be evacuated
with a whole bunch of other people either yesterday or today.

Think cool thoughts, Bill!  Glad you're still with us, soggy but
unbowed.  @;7

Blade

Thought this was interesting:

TinyURL:  http://heh.pl/&1NC

if that doesn't work then:

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,16417002%255E30417\
,00.html

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www.angelfire.com/pa2/jdoud

--- Michael Brazier <mdbrazier@...> wrote:

> Karrion wrote:
>
> >Othar BELIEVES what he is doing is right. And let's
> face it, for the
> >most part he is right. Most sparks the world knows
> of are dangerous
> >madmen(and madwomen) who care little about the
> people who get caught
> >in their petty wars.
> >
> Being right about the problem (Sparks tend to be
> dangerous to anyone
> within miles of them) doesn't make Othar right about
> the solution to the
> problem (kill them all before they can defend
> themselves.)

   It's occurred to me that we don't know how many
sparks Othar has killed, or even that he has killed
anyone, yet.
   Klaus wants him dead, as painfully as possible.
That suggests to me that Othar has taken lives.

Metaphors be with you,

Tim Blaes

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--- In girlgenius@yahoogroups.com, Tim Blaes <tinrat07@y...> wrote:
>   It's occurred to me that we don't know how many
> sparks Othar has killed, or even that he has killed
> anyone, yet.
>   Klaus wants him dead, as painfully as possible.
> That suggests to me that Othar has taken lives.

.... lives that Klaus valued, for one reason or another?

Blade, pondering ....

I'm not saying he's right. My point is that he isn't a sociopath
or 'evil'. He even changed his approach to Agatha when he found out
who she was. Which is odd in and of itself considering he plans on
destroying himself when all the 'evil' sparks have been destroyed. So
does this mean he counts himself among the bad guys but not Agatha? If
so why?
Oh and one more thing. If you were going to try to kill an evil spark
would YOU allow them a chance to defend themselves?


--- In girlgenius@yahoogroups.com, Michael Brazier <mdbrazier@g...>
> Being right about the problem (Sparks tend to be dangerous to anyone
> within miles of them) doesn't make Othar right about the solution to
the
> problem (kill them all before they can defend themselves.)

--- In girlgenius@yahoogroups.com, "Karrion" <darthkarrion@e...> wrote:
> Oh and one more thing. If you were going to try to kill an evil spark
> would YOU allow them a chance to defend themselves?

Proving he's not very good at it.  <wry grin>  But it does follow along
with his ideals of a hero:  a hero fights fair (although I haven't
forgiven him yet for the Hangman Incident), announces himself to his
adversary, and genreally gives his foe a chance.  He wouldn't be heroic
otherwise!

Blade  @;7

Yes but Gandalf doesn't try to hack off someones feet and replace
them with steam powered footwear because they got a sprained ankle.


--- In girlgenius@yahoogroups.com, "quarkstomper" <kurtoons@c...>
wrote:
> --- In girlgenius@yahoogroups.com, "Karrion" <darthkarrion@e...>
wrote:
> >
> > Even the lovable goofs of the circus are potentialy dangerous.
> >
>
>
> "'Dangerous!' cried Gandalf.  'And so am I, very dangerous:  more
> dangerous than anything you will ever meet, unless you are brought
> alive before the seat of the Dark Lord.  And Aragorn is
dangersous,
> and Legolas is dangerous.  You are beset with dangers, Gimli son
of
> Gloin;for you are dangerous yourself, in your own fashion.'"
>
> --The Two Towers

--- In girlgenius@yahoogroups.com, Tim Blaes <tinrat07@y...> wrote:
>   Klaus wants him dead, as painfully as possible.
> That suggests to me that Othar has taken lives.

Does he? Seems to me if Klaus really wanted to kill him he would have
just killed him.

--- "jackson doud" <jackdoud@h...> wrote:

> TinyURL:  http://heh.pl/&1NC

Yikes. *wince*  Awfully hard on the mice, though.  Sounds like a
professional torture chamber, for all the amazement of the discovery.

Corgi

--- Karrion grumbled:
> Yes but Gandalf doesn't try to hack off someones feet and replace
> them with steam powered footwear because they got a sprained ankle.

That's not evil, just /overenthusiastic/!

Corgi the Optimist

--- In girlgenius@yahoogroups.com, "Corgi" <corgi@S...> wrote:
> --- "jackson doud" <jackdoud@h...> wrote:
>
> > TinyURL:  http://heh.pl/&1NC
>
> Yikes. *wince*  Awfully hard on the mice, though.  Sounds like a
> professional torture chamber, for all the amazement of the discovery.

*cough*KlausWulfenbach*cough*

I'm thinking of a little thing called a brain-corer ..?  @;7

Blade <rapidly ducking Corgi's wrath>

--- In girlgenius@yahoogroups.com, "Karrion" <darthkarrion@e...> wrote:
> I'm not saying he's right. My point is that he isn't a sociopath
> or 'evil'. He even changed his approach to Agatha when he found out
> who she was. Which is odd in and of itself considering he plans on
> destroying himself when all the 'evil' sparks have been destroyed. So
> does this mean he counts himself among the bad guys but not Agatha?
> If
> so why?
> Oh and one more thing. If you were going to try to kill an evil spark
> would YOU allow them a chance to defend themselves?
>

He is a fanatic, and certainly insane. We saw the way he reacted when
Agatha told him she was a spark. She had done nothing at all to show
herself to be a threat or evil in any way, but he still tried to shoot
her, even before she pushed him out of the ship. That shows that he is
willing to kill innocent people, for something they couldn't change if
they wanted to.

And then he changes towards her because she's a Heterodyne. What in
Heaven's name has that to do with anything? He STILL knows nothing
about her, yet suddenly now she's good.

I don't care if he thinks he's right. Fanatics always think they're
right. What I care about is that he's willing to commit multiple
murders in an attempt to wipe out an entire sub-species of humanity,
simply because of the way they were born. That is evil.

--- In girlgenius@yahoogroups.com, "madcat6204" <Madcat6204@a...> wrote:
> I don't care if he thinks he's right. Fanatics always think they're
> right. What I care about is that he's willing to commit multiple
> murders in an attempt to wipe out an entire sub-species of humanity,
> simply because of the way they were born. That is evil.

This would be a good place to reiterate my theory that Othar is
actually a Revenant!  @;D

He's nigh-indestructable, thinks he's a hero, and is on a Sacred
Mission to Kill All the Sparks in Europa Wulfenbach.  Sounds like an
unwitting agent of The Other to me.  Even the similarity in names is
sorta cute, in a homocidal kinda way ...

Blade  @;7

On Thu, 1 Sep 2005, Tim Blaes wrote:

>   It's occurred to me that we don't know how many
> sparks Othar has killed, or even that he has killed
> anyone, yet.
>   Klaus wants him dead, as painfully as possible.
> That suggests to me that Othar has taken lives.

Klaus likes things in Europe nice and orderly... Othar's actions surely
lead to a lot of disorder.  Othar taking out a mad spark leads to a power
struggle as other nearby ones fight for the now-vacant turf, for example.


--
David "No Nickname" Crowe jetman@...   Website being moved again

"[He] has a better grasp of real science, but you have a better grasp of
comic-book science."  -My Villians and Vigilantes GM, to me.

Remembering what the Secret Blueprints say about Othar:

http://www.studiofoglio.com/girlgenius/secretblueprints/vol001/18.html

And the fact that he (Othar) appears to be completely effing
nuts, I am starting to wonder what connection (if any) Othar
and/or his insanity have to the destruction of Oslo.

Kinda comes down to four thoughts:


Did Othar destroy or actively aid those who destroyed the
city?


Was Othar trying to subdue some Spark with a Doomsday Device
and Othar just wasn't quite good enough and/or did things just
get out of hand?


Was Othar completely uninvolved with whatever happened, but he
managed to survive because he was a strong Spark?


Was Othar sane and/or a Spark before the Oslo incident?


Pick your favorite(s) and post your thoughts.

--- In girlgenius@yahoogroups.com, Tim Blaes <tinrat07@y...> wrote:
>
>
> --- quarkstomper <kurtoons@c...> wrote:
>
> > --- In girlgenius@yahoogroups.com, "tinrat07"
> > <tinrat07@y...> wrote:
> > > Agatha is after organ parts...
> >
> > *double-take*
>
> Eep!  That should have been "Agatha is after parts for
> the organ."

That's just as bad. Whose...?  <snicker>

--- In girlgenius@yahoogroups.com, "brellchild" <jasonft@v...> wrote:
> Remembering what the Secret Blueprints say about Othar:
>
> http://www.studiofoglio.com/girlgenius/secretblueprints/vol001/18.html
>
> And the fact that he (Othar) appears to be completely effing
> nuts, I am starting to wonder what connection (if any) Othar
> and/or his insanity have to the destruction of Oslo.
>
> Kinda comes down to four thoughts:

Actually, this, for me, presents a fifth option, towhit:

Othar is one of the few survivors of Oslo. (And what are the others
like, I wonder?)

According to common belief (as stated in the Secret Blueprints), the
events of the destruction of Oslo lead to his becoming a hero.  Ergo
he was NOT a hero before Oslo was destroyed.

Was the destruction of Oslo intentional?  That is, did someone set out
to destroy Oslo, or was that a side-effect?

Now, on to Blade's Wild Theory of the Week:

What if The Other baracaded the City of Oslo so that no one could come
or go -- perhaps during the winter, when few would notice a lack of
travellers? -- and experimented on the people.  ALL the people.
Perhaps the object of the experiment was to learn What Makes a Spark?
  Vivisection of, and experimentation on, both sparks and non-sparks --
maybe the Other actually learned the answer?  Who knows?  (Well, yes,
the Foglios do, but I'm not asking them, and they ain't telling yet.)

The few who were spared -- like Othar -- were remade into agents of
the Other.  Perhaps Othar hates sparks so much because he can recall,
dimly, being a non-spark who hated and feared them?

So, we've got a small cadre of super engineered psuedo-sparks,
nigh-indestructable, sure of their own righteousness, and bent on
destroying all sparks ... perhaps at a density of one Hero per
continent?  Is there someone like Othar in Asia?  In the Americas?
'Cause, y'know, if they were any closer together than that, they might
meet, and start comparing notes ....

Blade  @;7

--- In girlgenius@yahoogroups.com, "spottedkittyuk"
<spottedkittyuk@y...> wrote:
> --- In girlgenius@yahoogroups.com, Tim Blaes <tinrat07@y...> wrote:
> > Eep!  That should have been "Agatha is after parts for
> > the organ."
>
> That's just as bad. Whose...?  <snicker>

Dot vould be de forst inchured Jägerkin in line, yez?

Blade  @;7

--- In girlgenius@yahoogroups.com, "Blade" <elbereth@d...> wrote:
> I just watched the International Space Station fly by, 200 miles
> up and zipping around the Earth at such a break-neck speed that
> it orbits in about an hour and a half.  I never get tired of
> watching the thing.

I once saw the ISS in an early-morning pass. I can't remember now
*why* I was awake and out in the garden at 6am...

I'm just a bit north of the extreme northern end of the orbit, so it's
never overhead, but it is sometimes fairly high in the sky. I saw this
lovely bright spark drift up from the horizon, then suddenly flare up
much brighter than Venus. The sunlight was reflecting off the solar
panels, something that you can't see in an evening pass because of the
way the panels are angled. Beautiful.

My favourite tracking sites are:
http://science.nasa.gov/Realtime/JTrack/Spacecraft.html
http://www.heavens-above.com/
Both need Java installed on your system, but I think Heavens-Above can
get by with JavaScript.

On Thu, Sep 01, 2005 at 08:59:30AM -0700, Tim Blaes wrote:

>   Klaus wants him dead, as painfully as possible.

No he doesn't.  Klaus wants Othar de-Sparked as quickly as possible.  (Well,
relatively quickly.)  Pain is a side effect, and he foresaw life after
surgery.  "Ah yes, the whole quality of life issue.  I'm getting *much* better
at that."

Klaus sees Othar as dangerous, yes.

-xx- Damien X-)