--- Jefferson <rulingnations@...> wrote:
>
> 3) If both those remedies fail you have an average of four
> weeks before your monitor fails in a _really_ significant way.
>

Thank you for that encouraging prognosis, but the rest of the
detail in the strip is still showing up just fine.  But Agatha's
black-on-black dress is now just... black.  With none of its
former detail, and I miss that.  I could probably be more
accepting of it if, say, her legs were still grey (so that you
could still tell she was wearing stockings & strappy high
heels), but the only parts of her that aren't unrelieved black
(for me at least) is her skin.  And I stress "her" -- as I said,
everything else is fine.

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--- Damien Sullivan <phoenix@...> wrote:
>
> Well, I'd bet extortion isn't on the table.  Othar is a Hero.
> I'd bet the last question is just his being logical and nosy.
>
> Of course, he might manage Being Honest For Your Own Good, or
> something.
>

That was sort of my first thought as well -- Othar pushing to
see if Agatha thought of the circus as allies or just a
convience.  Or perhaps just trying to force Agatha into
confronting that question.

> I wonder which of them built the wind-powered rotisserie.
>

Especially since it would be probably more efficient to harness
the rising hot air off the fire to turn the spit, rather than
trusting to wind.  :)

> Dangling plot threads:

I was pondering many of these same questions myself today, and
hoping that we'll be jumping back to Castle Wulfenbach soon to
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Okay.. definitely does seem like some blackmail in the works..Funny,
though how Othar still wants Agatha to be his assistant.. you'd think a
Hetrodyne- the ultimate spark- would be his number one target..but then
a again, having the sparkiest would be a considerable help in achieving
his goals..

DuMedd? I'd say hidden somewhere as a hostage to ensure Agatha's
cooperation.

But of course I could be wrong by Friday.

Smig

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That was the first thought that occured to me.  What if this "talk"
wasn't as nice as Agatha is pictureing it.

I'd recommend blue or pink insulation foam laminated with foamcore. I made a
Sony Killstick from Megatokyo for a friend of mine that way and it came out
good.

www.angelfire.com/pa2/jdoud/killstick.html

-Jack Doud

>From: "Karrion" <darthkarrion@...>
>Reply-To: girlgenius@yahoogroups.com
>To: girlgenius@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Girl Genius] Re: jumbo spanner
>Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 03:59:08 -0000
>I thought about the router or laminating three pieces in a 'H'
>shape. The big weight issue, at least I think, is in the ends.
>Unless I can find a suitable light material I'd end up with a object
>heavly weighted to the ends. Guess I could try foam of some sort.
>Would be safer to the surroundings too.
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> > > The size is solely based on the scrap piece of wood I had. I
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> > under stress, the loss of material probably won't affect its
> > durability (and I know that the "I" beam construction is supposed
>to
> > be fairly strong, we're just talking about a piece of wood here).
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--- In girlgenius@yahoogroups.com, Damien Sullivan <phoenix@U...> wrote:
>
> Dangling plot threads:
> what are the dingbots up to?
> what about the hanging Jaegers, and 'she'?
> What about the regular Jaegers?
> What was Klaus thinking of, last we saw him?
> How's Zulenna?
> How are the Clays?
> Why does Othar wear a visor all the time?  I think we did see his
eyes once,
> after Klaus or Gil punched him out, but I could be wrong.
>
> -xx- Damien X-)

Just me trying to guess for the answers.

The dingbots are either building others or keeping themselves wound.
Just a guess.
I'm also wondering about the hanging Jaegers and 'she".
I don't think will see the regular Jaegers until we see Klaus or his
ships again.
When I read that page I thought he was thinking, "hmm, I wonder if I
can dicect the dead brain of Agatha to figure out what makes her a spark.
I don't remember the character Zulenna.
The Clays are dead.  It also states in their description somewhere
that they gave their life to let Agatha escape.
Maybe the visor is in fashion or something.  He might think it makes
himself look cool/mysterious.

Isn't Othar's big problem that he sees the world as strictly black
and white, as good and evil?  So why are we automatically assuming
that *he* is the evil one?

I think Othar's trying to make an honest woman of Agatha.  Look at it
this way:  Agatha is hiding among these good people, lying to them,
possibly putting them in danger.  In her heart, she knows this is
true, but she's been trying to convince herself that her situation
warrents a bit of duplicity and that she's not really hurting anyone.

Othar wants Agatha to face reality.  (Granted, he is more reality-
challenged than she, but even a broken clank faces the right
direction sometimes).  And he wants her to do the right thing, which
in his view is to embrace her heroic nature and join him in Fighting
Evil.

Othar, I think, does not see the Hetrodynes as the "sparkiest of
sparks", but rather as Heroes, who redeemed the inherent destructive
nature of their sparkiness by harnessing it for Good.  Being a
Hetrodyne herself, Agatha has the potential to do the same -- and in
that, Othar is certainly correct.

As for duMedd, is there any reason why Othar shouldn't regard him as
one of the Baron's captives who managed to escape?  Remember, Othar
tried to warn him back when duMedd came across the Baron trying to
experiment on him in the Castle.

I think that intellectually, (if we can use that term in Othar's
case) Othar regards all sparks as dangers to society and therefore as
evils to be exterminated; but from a practical point of view, he has
to prioritize.  A spark who is actively enslaving people (like the
Baron) or creating menaces that harm people (like some of his
unrecorded adventures which have given him a heroic reputation) is
more Evil than a young, innocent, unformed spark who is only
*potentially* evil.

I think we might be falling into the Paladin Fallacy.  (Oo.  That's
fun to say.  "Paladin Fallacy, Paladin Fallacy").  In D&D, some
people play the Paladin class as remorseless killers of Evil, whose
first action upon entering a village is to cast *Detect Evil* upon
everyone he sees and start hacking.  (Some other people believe that
playing Evil alignment gives them an edge.  When the two meet, things
get messy.  But I digress).

I think, and again this is my interpretation, that Othar would
differentiate between a Dangerous Spark and a Potential Spark; and I
think he might easily ignore minor sparkiness if his Heroic Instincts
to react positively to Children, Puppies and Idealists were aroused.

At 12:17 AM -0500 6/1/05, Bob Gutshall wrote:

>        True nuff.  I'm torn between buying some of the xxxenophile
>comics, and just sending the money straight to Phil as a bribe/reward.

Buy the comics, they're fantastic. (I mean, the one with the _least_
amount of plot had amusing personalties and a sock puppet. How can you
go wrong with a sock puppet? Everything else, definite "there is a
story here, which continues before and after the nudity" vibes. Love it.)

Once you have the XXXenophile comics, then you send the money straight
as a bribe. O;>
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No, you're not the only one concerned. I'm desperately concerned. I
hope Agatha thinks of that... Though at least DuMedd is related to
Heterodynes, and that might have saved him.

Or Othar might have been being sufficiently Sparkacious to leave him
in a deathtrap which he could get out of (being also Sparky and better-
educated).

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Well, his plan to join up with Agatha sounds like a Heterodyne
sidekick, and Othar doesn't seem the type to worry about minor sparks
who sidekick for the Heterodynes.

On the other hand, I'm not sure how to interpret Othar's apparent
disregard of the fact that Agatha pushed him out of the flying
machine.  Agatha's "The last time I saw you, you tried to SHOOT me."
was a perfect opportunity to bring that up.

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It's an open question, since DuMedd is a (minor) spark.

OTOH, it's worth remembering that Othar is rather insane, and that
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On 6/1/05, Daniel W. Johnson <argus@...> wrote:
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> machine.  Agatha's "The last time I saw you, you tried to SHOOT me."
> was a perfect opportunity to bring that up.

Bah.  After the first few times you get pushed out of a flying
machine, you stop getting so worked up over it.

--
John Fiala

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> It's an open question, since DuMedd is a (minor) spark.
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> OTOH, it's worth remembering that Othar is rather insane, and that
> DuMedd is related to the Hetrodynes.
>

Let's take a deep breath, step baack away from the stuffed bodice, and think
for a moment:

***All*** sparks are insane!

There are ordinary physical rules to how the universe works. Non-sparky
people in the GGverse must conform to them, or suffer the consequences.
Sparks defy these rules and make up their own as they go. They do not see
the world as it *is*, but as it *ought* to be, according to *their* vision,
and they will *force* it to fit, even if it requires heavy machinery and/or
body parts, living or otherwise.

For anyone who roleplays in White Wolf's World of Darkness(tm) setting,
they're halfway between Sons of Ether and Marauders.

The Baron is a cold, calculating realist. His nod to spark-mindedness is his
experiments on other sparks to see what makes them so. He is, by WoD
standards, a Union Etherite, inasmuch as he is attempting to stamp out
things offensive to his control of the paradigm.

Othar is at the other end of the spectrum. He's pretty much a Marauder; the
normal laws of action-reaction don't quite apply to him. He doesn't need
Agatha's clank to save him; his Spark is powerful enough to bend
cause-and-effect to save him because the hero *always* comes out okay, and
he is, in his own mind, the hero.

DuMedd is not dead, or imprisoned, or otherwise affected. He dovetails into
Othar's worldview quite neatly, being a fan and admirer. "Why, of *course*
he is, after all, *I'm* a hero!" Othar *cannot* harm him, since anyone who
supports the hero is a Good Guy(tm), and he needs to Make the World Safe for
such people. But, DuMedd is a spark you say. Prove it. He got away from the
castle with good clothes and reasonable supplies. Oh, he has a wind-powered
rotisserie. Again, this means nothing. It could be equipment from the
castle, and probably *is*.

Is Agatha insane? Absolutely. She grew up suffering mental damage from a
mind-controlling device. She has now been developing, in just a few *weeks*
(if that long), into a formidable spark. She just spent all night working up
designs for a merry-go-round that can destroy a small town. "It might be a
really *evil* town." This is sane?

What we are reading is an epic adventure which is a hybrid of the Indiana
Jones movies and "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest".  Is it enjoyable? Yes.
Is it sane? Not even slightly.

Is Agatha the hero? Probably. Her name's on the comic, after all. But her
background (de facto orphaned, raised by servants) and psychology (mentally
scarred from age 5, ridiculed by others, and self-denigrating) give her a
lot to overcome.

Is Othar the hero? Well, would the world be better off if every single spark
was dead? Quite probably.

Are his *methods* sane? Not one bit. After all, he doesn't know where the
spark comes from. Even if he achieved his goal, the spark could, and
probably would, arise again somewhere in someone. However, the world would
likely have a vaguely quieter 20-year interregnum until the new breed became
old enough to notice each other.

Is *Klaus* the hero? Sort of. He's acting as a parent telling everyone to
*shut* *up* and keep it quiet in there. This is not a bad thing when the
children are armed with saw-toothed frisbees and rocket-propelled pogo
sticks.

Is Gil the hero? Much better odds. He was raised, however strictly, by his
father, was given an advanced education, has seen the world from the
*ground*, and has a slightly more idealistic bent to his pragmatism than
Klaus.

So, we have two villains-to-sparks (Klaus and Othar), one lovelorn heir
apparent, and one brain-damaged heroine. Quite a collection of main
characters, yes?

Let's see what the asylum inmates do next!

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On Jun 1, 2005, at 8:05 AM, Elizabeth McCoy wrote:

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> Heterodynes, and that might have saved him.

Is he? I don't have my back issues here at work, but I was under the
impression that he was related to the Mongfishes.

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> Is Agatha insane? Absolutely. She grew up suffering mental damage
> from a
> mind-controlling device. She has now been developing, in just a few
> *weeks*
> (if that long), into a formidable spark. She just spent all night
> working up
> designs for a merry-go-round that can destroy a small town. "It
> might be a
> really *evil* town." This is sane?

Be fair: Once she comes out of her hyper-focussed state, she has the
good grace to be embarrassed about it, and to realize it's excessive.
This is no more insane that any other highly focussed designer.
Remember that she was designing concealed weapons sufficient to
protect a large caravan against things like the spider-clank and
worse. When she focussed her concentration solely on that, she came
up with some excessive designs, which now need to be reviewed,
modified, and adjusted. Such things aren't proof of insanity.

On 30 May 2005 at 20:27, Regault wrote:

To:              girlgenius@yahoogroups.com
From:            "Regault" <dpearson@...>
Date sent:       Mon, 30 May 2005 20:27:08 -0000
Subject:         [Girl Genius] Re: [OT] Warmachine
Send reply to:   girlgenius@yahoogroups.com

> --- In girlgenius@yahoogroups.com, "Adam Canning" <dahak@d...> wrote:
> > Have a look at Captain Darius
> >
> > http://www.privateerpress.com/cygnar/default.php
> >
> > Looks Like he'd be at home on the Castle.
> >
> > --
> > Adam Canning
> > "Visit Hwamgaarl and Die Painfully". Motto of the Pan Tangian
> > Tourist Board.
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> More importantly, look at the price. Ouch. Warmachine very quickly
> went from being the inexpensive replacement to GW to being just as
> expensive. I might me getting some of the models that are linked to No
> Quarter Magazine, but I ain't touching any of the Apotheosis models.

Given the weight, number needed in an army and number of parts for
the Apotheosis pieces the prices are in line with their earlier figures.

Most of the Warcasters in Apotheosis are in the $7-$15 range. Its
only the Huge 4 that are costly and they are all larger and or have
more parts than normal warjacks.

--
Adam
"I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully." George W
Bush

>I wonder if it
> shares some properties with a certain unnamed physician's Police Call
> Box?

OBSF He's a PhD [Temporal Engineering, if I recall what Drax said
correctly] rather than an MD. His medical skills are the somewhat
adhoc result of hundreds of years of experience.



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On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 02:43:25PM -0000, thesummerrider wrote:

> I don't remember the character Zulenna.

The Russianish princess who delayed Von Pinn, was killed by Bang, and ordered
stored for resurrection by Klaus.

> The Clays are dead.  It also states in their description somewhere
> that they gave their life to let Agatha escape.

They were dead the last we saw them.  They can get better.

-xx- Damien X-)

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No one's told us how sparky he is, other than that he is a Spark.  He's "head
boy", and a Mongfish, and had special attention from Klaus; he could be quite
Sparky.

> OTOH, it's worth remembering that Othar is rather insane, and that
> DuMedd is related to the Hetrodynes.

Only insofar as his aunt married a Heterodyne.  But "Agatha's cousin" might
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> was a perfect opportunity to bring that up.

He was about to shoot her, good reason to push him out...

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At 9:35 AM -0700 6/1/05, Dale Friesen wrote:
>On Jun 1, 2005, at 8:05 AM, Elizabeth McCoy wrote:
>>[...]Though at least DuMedd is related to
>> Heterodynes, and that might have saved him.
>
>Is he? I don't have my back issues here at work, but I was under the
>impression that he was related to the Mongfishes.

Yes, and thereby to Agatha, who is half Mongfish...

(And he's a cheerful, entertaining fellow who sticks up for even a
"nothing" pedigree like Gilgamesh was before his lineage was revealed.
So he's clearly a lot more like Agatha than, perchance, Lucretia before
her reformation...)
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--- In girlgenius@yahoogroups.com, "talkingeasel" <talkingeasel@y...>
wrote:
> But of course I could be wrong by Friday.

Could be.  But this seems like one of the story's natural stopping
points to me.  On Friday we'll probably get to see what Krosp is up to
or something.  I suspect we won't get more of Othar and Agatha for a
little while.  Though I could be completely wrong.  Prof Foglio does
have a tendency to surprise.

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Hmm.. Being rather familiar with the World of Darkness Mage game
myself I feel that this is a pretty poor fit.  There are quite a
number of metaphysical background issues that just don't apply.  Now
being a fan of the Sons of Ether faction myself I will say that almost
all the sparks remind me of them to one degree or another.  The Baron
in particular reminds me of Czar Vargo.(In capability not
personality.)

Also the normal laws of reaction and action don't really apply to any
awakened(i.e. mage) character in the World of Darkness.  Thats what
makes them mages.  The only difference with marauders is that they are
somewhat resistant(*NOT* immune) to the effects of paradox.  Paradox
for those who are ignorant of the World of Darkness is one of those
metaphysics things that I mentioned earlier and one of the reasons I
think this is a poor fit.

Also Agatha has always been a powerfull spark.  She has also had first
class training thanks to the patronage of Dr. Beetle.  The only part
of this that might throw her off sanity wise is the sudden removal of
the locket that prevented the two from combining.  So far as far as I
can tell she has adapted as well as almost anybody could.  Come to
think of it being able to absorb lots of information quickly or
adapting to very strange things seems to be one of the generic
abilities that all sparks have.  Also I can't really see Agatha as
"brain damaged".  Unless your thinking the gift of the spark itself as
damage.  None of her actions except those that she exhibits when in
"full spark mode" would indicate mental disability.  Since all sparks
exhibit that I don't really think of that as abnormal in that context.

Arondell

--- In girlgenius@yahoogroups.com, "Wayne B. Houseknecht"
<whouseknecht@h...> wrote:

>
> Let's take a deep breath, step baack away from the stuffed bodice,
and think
> for a moment:
>
> ***All*** sparks are insane!
>
> There are ordinary physical rules to how the universe works.
Non-sparky
> people in the GGverse must conform to them, or suffer the
consequences.
> Sparks defy these rules and make up their own as they go. They do
not see
> the world as it *is*, but as it *ought* to be, according to *their*
vision,
> and they will *force* it to fit, even if it requires heavy machinery
and/or
> body parts, living or otherwise.
>
> For anyone who roleplays in White Wolf's World of Darkness(tm)
setting,
> they're halfway between Sons of Ether and Marauders.
>
> The Baron is a cold, calculating realist. His nod to
spark-mindedness is his
> experiments on other sparks to see what makes them so. He is, by WoD
> standards, a Union Etherite, inasmuch as he is attempting to stamp
out
> things offensive to his control of the paradigm.
>
> Othar is at the other end of the spectrum. He's pretty much a
Marauder; the
> normal laws of action-reaction don't quite apply to him. He doesn't
need
> Agatha's clank to save him; his Spark is powerful enough to bend
> cause-and-effect to save him because the hero *always* comes out
okay, and
> he is, in his own mind, the hero.
>
> DuMedd is not dead, or imprisoned, or otherwise affected. He
dovetails into
> Othar's worldview quite neatly, being a fan and admirer. "Why, of
*course*
> he is, after all, *I'm* a hero!" Othar *cannot* harm him, since
anyone who
> supports the hero is a Good Guy(tm), and he needs to Make the World
Safe for
> such people. But, DuMedd is a spark you say. Prove it. He got away
from the
> castle with good clothes and reasonable supplies. Oh, he has a
wind-powered
> rotisserie. Again, this means nothing. It could be equipment from
the
> castle, and probably *is*.
>
> Is Agatha insane? Absolutely. She grew up suffering mental damage
from a
> mind-controlling device. She has now been developing, in just a few
*weeks*
> (if that long), into a formidable spark. She just spent all night
working up
> designs for a merry-go-round that can destroy a small town. "It
might be a
> really *evil* town." This is sane?
>
> What we are reading is an epic adventure which is a hybrid of the
Indiana
> Jones movies and "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest".  Is it
enjoyable? Yes.
> Is it sane? Not even slightly.
>
> Is Agatha the hero? Probably. Her name's on the comic, after all.
But her
> background (de facto orphaned, raised by servants) and psychology
(mentally
> scarred from age 5, ridiculed by others, and self-denigrating) give
her a
> lot to overcome.
>
> Is Othar the hero? Well, would the world be better off if every
single spark
> was dead? Quite probably.
>
> Are his *methods* sane? Not one bit. After all, he doesn't know
where the
> spark comes from. Even if he achieved his goal, the spark could, and
> probably would, arise again somewhere in someone. However, the world
would
> likely have a vaguely quieter 20-year interregnum until the new
breed became
> old enough to notice each other.
>
> Is *Klaus* the hero? Sort of. He's acting as a parent telling
everyone to
> *shut* *up* and keep it quiet in there. This is not a bad thing
when the
> children are armed with saw-toothed frisbees and rocket-propelled
pogo
> sticks.
>
> Is Gil the hero? Much better odds. He was raised, however strictly,
by his
> father, was given an advanced education, has seen the world from the
> *ground*, and has a slightly more idealistic bent to his pragmatism
than
> Klaus.
>
> So, we have two villains-to-sparks (Klaus and Othar), one lovelorn
heir
> apparent, and one brain-damaged heroine. Quite a collection of main
> characters, yes?
>
> Let's see what the asylum inmates do next!
>
> > >M
> > >o
> > >r
> > >e
> > >
> > >s
> > >p
> > >o
> > >i
> > >l
> > >e
> > >r
> > >
> > >s
> > >p
> > >a
> > >c
> > >e

And that's one of the reasons *respectable* young ladies didn't go on
the stage.

(And I don't see this as Olga's tent; it's backstage in the main
tent. The clocks in the bottom left panel are a backdrop - we didn't
happen to see it, but oh well.)

--- In girlgenius@yahoogroups.com, Debbie <lioness@m...> wrote:
>
> >Kedamono@a...
>
> It's a stage costume, not street wear.  Different rules apply.
>
> The Victorian era's prudery was offset by many advocates of
situational nudity.
>
> Debbie
> http://www.brigidsforge.com
> Original sterling Gothic and Pagan jewelry
>
>
> "He hasn't been the same since his spirit guide discovered object-
oriented
> programming."
>
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--- In girlgenius@yahoogroups.com, "quarkstomper" <kurtoons@c...>
wrote:
> I think Othar's trying to make an honest woman of Agatha.  Look at
it
> this way:  Agatha is hiding among these good people, lying to them,
> possibly putting them in danger.  In her heart, she knows this is
> true, but she's been trying to convince herself that her situation
> warrents a bit of duplicity and that she's not really hurting
anyone.
>
> Othar wants Agatha to face reality.

In defense of Agatha, she knows she's dangerous, the circus knows
she's dangerous (that's why they ran her off at first), and they
now know she's *really* dangerous, but willing to direct that against
anything that threatens the circus.

(Othar, of course, doesn't know any of this.)

And Othar isn't exactly open about *his* goals.


--
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http://www.livejournal.com/users/kgbooklog/

Just a side question.  It seems like the "spark" is something that
more or less gives you the answers to your "desires".

Now are there any non-sparky inventors in the GG world?  Or are the
only inventors sparks?

--- In girlgenius@yahoogroups.com, "gaertk" <gaertk@a...> wrote:
> In defense of Agatha, she knows she's dangerous, the circus knows
> she's dangerous (that's why they ran her off at first), and they
> now know she's *really* dangerous, but willing to direct that against
> anything that threatens the circus.
>
> (Othar, of course, doesn't know any of this.)
>
> And Othar isn't exactly open about *his* goals.
>
>
> --
> Konrad Gaertner - - - - - - - - - - - - email: gaertk@a...
> http://www.livejournal.com/users/kgbooklog/

The circus ran her off because they were were afraid that she would
discover that they were sparks.  They had something to hide.  That is
why they ran her off.

> DuMedd is not dead, or imprisoned, or otherwise affected. He
> dovetails into Othar's worldview quite neatly, being a fan and
> admirer. "Why, of *course* he is, after all, *I'm* a hero!" Othar
> *cannot* harm him, since anyone who supports the hero is a Good
> Guy(tm), and he needs to Make the World Safe for such people.

"You're a man of many mysteries, Bugg.  Were I not so self-centered,
I'd be intrigued."

"I am ever grateful for your self-centeredness, master."

"That's only right"

from Steven Erikson's _Midnight Tides_

--
Konrad Gaertner                         email: gaertk@...
http://www.livejournal.com/users/kgbooklog/

Aha.  I can answer this one.  Yes, there are non-spark inventors.

Dr. Merlot, for example, does not have the spark, yet he was trying to
turn chalk into cheese:

ref:  http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/cgi-bin/gg101.cgi?date=20050404
and: http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/cgi-bin/gg101.cgi?date=20050518

Mike

On 6/1/05, thesummerrider <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>  Just a side question.  It seems like the "spark" is something that
>  more or less gives you the answers to your "desires".
>
>  Now are there any non-sparky inventors in the GG world?  Or are the
>  only inventors sparks?
>
>
>
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>"Fun Fur".
>
>13 HOURS.
>
>Only one flip-flop.
>
>
>AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>Only 13 hours? Poor you.  you must feel so..... frustrated.

Only until I strangle the inventor.  Going on 14 hours....

Debbie
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"He hasn't been the same since his spirit guide discovered object-oriented
programming."

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