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#257 From: "Steve Hayes" <hayesstw@...>
Date: Thu Oct 6, 2011 8:05 am
Subject: Source templates
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Real-Time Collaboration And Legacy Family Tree Announce the Donation of
AncestorSync™ SourceTemplates Model and Legacy’s Source Templates to the Open
Source Community.

Legacy Family Tree is donating 1,400 SourceTemplates to complement the
AncestorSync SourceTemplates Model

Orem, Utah (Real-Time Collaboration) Oct. 5, 2011- Real-Time Collaboration
and Legacy Family Tree have announced the addition of thousands of
SourceTemplates and a SourceTemplate model to help standardize the tracking
of source materials.   This addition of SourceTemplates and the
SourceTemplate model have culminated in a comprehensive resource available
for the genealogy community.

Real-Time Collaboration, Inc’s AncestorSync™ Division recognizes the
following companies whose original work and generous contributions allowed
AncestorSync™ to aggregate their efforts into this model:  Ancestral Quest,
Family Tree Maker, Legacy Family Tree, MacFamily Tree, Personal Ancestral
File (PAF), and Roots Magic.

The AncestorSync™ Division is also working with Better GEDCOM to create
additional templates to better serve the global community.

BetterGEDCOM issued this statement, “BetterGEDCOM is an independent group of
end users and software developers working toward the next generation of open
standards for communicating genealogy information electronically.  We also
welcome SourceTemplates.org (http://sourcetemplates.org/) to the effort to
develop a widely supported international model for source citations.”

About Real-Time Collaboration, Inc.
Real-Time Collaboration, a genealogy process automation company, melds social
networking capabilities with state-of-the-art family history and genealogy
technologies to connect individuals around the world who share common
ancestors. Real-Time Collaboration is based in Orem, Utah.

For more information about AncestorSync™, contact us at info@...
or 1.877.436.3256 or visit our website at www.ancestorsync.com.

About Legacy Family Tree
Founded in 1984, Millennia Corporation publishes the award-winning Legacy
Family Tree genealogy software program, with headquarters in Surprise,
Arizona. More information can be found at www.LegacyFamilyTree.com.
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#258 From: "Sherry" <sherdh@...>
Date: Thu Oct 6, 2011 2:21 pm
Subject: RE: Source templates
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Where did you see this?

Anytime you quote an article, you really *should* post the source of the
article to avoid copyright issues!

Sherry


-----Original Message-----
From: gensoft@yahoogroups.com [mailto:gensoft@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Steve Hayes
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 1:06 AM
To: gensoft@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [gensoft] Source templates

Real-Time Collaboration And Legacy Family Tree Announce the Donation of
AncestorSyncT SourceTemplates Model and Legacy's Source Templates to the
Open Source Community.

Legacy Family Tree is donating 1,400 SourceTemplates to complement the
AncestorSync SourceTemplates Model

Orem, Utah (Real-Time Collaboration) Oct. 5, 2011- Real-Time Collaboration
and Legacy Family Tree have announced the addition of thousands of
SourceTemplates and a SourceTemplate model to help standardize the tracking
of source materials.   This addition of SourceTemplates and the
SourceTemplate model have culminated in a comprehensive resource available
for the genealogy community.

Real-Time Collaboration, Inc's AncestorSyncT Division recognizes the
following companies whose original work and generous contributions allowed
AncestorSyncT to aggregate their efforts into this model:  Ancestral Quest,
Family Tree Maker, Legacy Family Tree, MacFamily Tree, Personal Ancestral
File (PAF), and Roots Magic.

The AncestorSyncT Division is also working with Better GEDCOM to create
additional templates to better serve the global community.

BetterGEDCOM issued this statement, "BetterGEDCOM is an independent group of
end users and software developers working toward the next generation of open
standards for communicating genealogy information electronically.  We also
welcome SourceTemplates.org (http://sourcetemplates.org/) to the effort to
develop a widely supported international model for source citations."

About Real-Time Collaboration, Inc.
Real-Time Collaboration, a genealogy process automation company, melds
social networking capabilities with state-of-the-art family history and
genealogy technologies to connect individuals around the world who share
common ancestors. Real-Time Collaboration is based in Orem, Utah.

For more information about AncestorSyncT, contact us at
info@... or 1.877.436.3256 or visit our website at
www.ancestorsync.com.

About Legacy Family Tree
Founded in 1984, Millennia Corporation publishes the award-winning Legacy
Family Tree genealogy software program, with headquarters in Surprise,
Arizona. More information can be found at www.LegacyFamilyTree.com.
--
Steve Hayes
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Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
Phone: 083-342-3563 or 012-333-6727
     Fax: 086-548-2525

#259 From: "Steve Hayes" <hayesstw@...>
Date: Thu Oct 6, 2011 4:18 pm
Subject: RE: Source templates
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On 6 Oct 2011 at 7:21, Sherry wrote:

> Where did you see this?
>
> Anytime you quote an article, you really *should* post the source of the
> article to avoid copyright issues!

I believe it was a press release.


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#260 From: gensoft@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue Nov 1, 2011 4:30 pm
Subject: File - monthly.txt
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Just a reminder of the genealogical software discussion forum on YahooGroups

In is a good place for

* discussing programs you are using, and how to get the best out of them
* discussing programs you would like to see
* discussing improvements you would like to see in existing programs
* collaborating in developing programs that are useful for genealogists
* reviewing genealogy software
* announcing and commenting on new versions and programs
* anything else to do with computer programs used for genealogy

When discussing general software, such as word processors, spreadsheets,
databases etc., it is best to stick to the genealogical uses of those programs
-- but sharing ideas on how they can be used for genealogy is good.

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#261 From: Les Hardy <les@...>
Date: Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:53 pm
Subject: Feedback on my application
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Hello All,

About a year ago, I developed software for transcribing parish records
from census and parish register images.

The software was originally intended for our own use, but it seemed a
shame to keep it to ourselves, so I developed a generic version of the
software, and 3 months ago I made it available as freeware.

There have been thousands of downloads, and I have had plenty of
requests for features, but I don't get any real feedback.

If there are any transcribers in this group, I would appreciate your
comments and ideas about this application.

The application is at http://genscriber.com.

Steve, I was going to upload it to the files section, but I am not
familiar with yahoo groups.
Maybe you could set me straight on how to add it?

Regards
Les Hardy

#262 From: gensoft@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu Dec 1, 2011 1:46 pm
Subject: File - monthly.txt
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Just a reminder of the genealogical software discussion forum on YahooGroups

In is a good place for

* discussing programs you are using, and how to get the best out of them
* discussing programs you would like to see
* discussing improvements you would like to see in existing programs
* collaborating in developing programs that are useful for genealogists
* reviewing genealogy software
* announcing and commenting on new versions and programs
* anything else to do with computer programs used for genealogy

When discussing general software, such as word processors, spreadsheets,
databases etc., it is best to stick to the genealogical uses of those programs
-- but sharing ideas on how they can be used for genealogy is good.

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#263 From: gensoft@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun Jan 1, 2012 1:49 pm
Subject: File - monthly.txt
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Just a reminder of the genealogical software discussion forum on YahooGroups

In is a good place for

* discussing programs you are using, and how to get the best out of them
* discussing programs you would like to see
* discussing improvements you would like to see in existing programs
* collaborating in developing programs that are useful for genealogists
* reviewing genealogy software
* announcing and commenting on new versions and programs
* anything else to do with computer programs used for genealogy

When discussing general software, such as word processors, spreadsheets,
databases etc., it is best to stick to the genealogical uses of those programs
-- but sharing ideas on how they can be used for genealogy is good.

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#264 From: gensoft@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed Feb 1, 2012 2:05 pm
Subject: File - monthly.txt
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Just a reminder of the genealogical software discussion forum on YahooGroups

In is a good place for

* discussing programs you are using, and how to get the best out of them
* discussing programs you would like to see
* discussing improvements you would like to see in existing programs
* collaborating in developing programs that are useful for genealogists
* reviewing genealogy software
* announcing and commenting on new versions and programs
* anything else to do with computer programs used for genealogy

When discussing general software, such as word processors, spreadsheets,
databases etc., it is best to stick to the genealogical uses of those programs
-- but sharing ideas on how they can be used for genealogy is good.

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Steve Hayes
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#265 From: gensoft@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu Mar 1, 2012 1:51 pm
Subject: File - monthly.txt
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Just a reminder of the genealogical software discussion forum on YahooGroups

In is a good place for

* discussing programs you are using, and how to get the best out of them
* discussing programs you would like to see
* discussing improvements you would like to see in existing programs
* collaborating in developing programs that are useful for genealogists
* reviewing genealogy software
* announcing and commenting on new versions and programs
* anything else to do with computer programs used for genealogy

When discussing general software, such as word processors, spreadsheets,
databases etc., it is best to stick to the genealogical uses of those programs
-- but sharing ideas on how they can be used for genealogy is good.

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#266 From: gensoft@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun Apr 1, 2012 12:42 pm
Subject: File - monthly.txt
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Just a reminder of the genealogical software discussion forum on YahooGroups

In is a good place for

* discussing programs you are using, and how to get the best out of them
* discussing programs you would like to see
* discussing improvements you would like to see in existing programs
* collaborating in developing programs that are useful for genealogists
* reviewing genealogy software
* announcing and commenting on new versions and programs
* anything else to do with computer programs used for genealogy

When discussing general software, such as word processors, spreadsheets,
databases etc., it is best to stick to the genealogical uses of those programs
-- but sharing ideas on how they can be used for genealogy is good.

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#267 From: "Steve Hayes" <hayesstw@...>
Date: Tue Apr 10, 2012 7:47 am
Subject: One monster program, or smaller modules?
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An interesting blog post on genealogy software:

"All of the recent discussion of genealogy software has caused me to think
about the weaknesses of modern genealogy software, my genealogy workflow, and
what features a software program would have to meet my needs.

The funny thing is that many of the features are available in one software
program or another–some genealogy, some not. However, putting them all
together in one package, even if it were a monster package, would meet my
needs.

So here is my vision of the perfect genealogy program:"

http://michaelhait.wordpress.com/2012/04/02/my-software-vision/


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#268 From: gensoft@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue May 1, 2012 12:28 pm
Subject: File - monthly.txt
gensoft@yahoogroups.com
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Just a reminder of the genealogical software discussion forum on YahooGroups

In is a good place for

* discussing programs you are using, and how to get the best out of them
* discussing programs you would like to see
* discussing improvements you would like to see in existing programs
* collaborating in developing programs that are useful for genealogists
* reviewing genealogy software
* announcing and commenting on new versions and programs
* anything else to do with computer programs used for genealogy

When discussing general software, such as word processors, spreadsheets,
databases etc., it is best to stick to the genealogical uses of those programs
-- but sharing ideas on how they can be used for genealogy is good.

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#269 From: gensoft@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2012 12:27 pm
Subject: File - monthly.txt
gensoft@yahoogroups.com
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Just a reminder of the genealogical software discussion forum on YahooGroups

In is a good place for

* discussing programs you are using, and how to get the best out of them
* discussing programs you would like to see
* discussing improvements you would like to see in existing programs
* collaborating in developing programs that are useful for genealogists
* reviewing genealogy software
* announcing and commenting on new versions and programs
* anything else to do with computer programs used for genealogy

When discussing general software, such as word processors, spreadsheets,
databases etc., it is best to stick to the genealogical uses of those programs
-- but sharing ideas on how they can be used for genealogy is good.

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#270 From: "Steve Hayes" <hayesstw@...>
Date: Sun Aug 5, 2012 3:51 am
Subject: New version of Clooz released
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Clooz is a genealogical research tool that enables you to analyse your data
in
various ways, and possibly open up new avenues for research.

Development of the program was recently taken over by Ancestral Systems, and
they are now offering a free trial of Clooz 3.0, which is due to be released
soon.

For more information see:
http://www.clooz.com/


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#271 From: "Sherry" <sherdh@...>
Date: Sun Aug 5, 2012 9:02 pm
Subject: RE: New version of Clooz released
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Thanks for the update. I used Clooz years ago.

I hope they're able to restore connectivity with Legacy and add it to other
programs as they say they will. Otherwise, Clooz is basically useless,
creating double entry for sources. In their "News" section, they wrote "We
have redesigned the implementation of the original Clooz Legacy interface to
accommodate connection to other programs." but it's not clear if it works
with Legacy. Sounds like they're going to try...

Legacy v8 is in the works and nearing completion. I hope the Clooz
developers are working with the Legacy developers to accommodate the changes
that will take place in v8 as well.

At $39.95 US, it's pretty darn expensive for what's basically an "add-on" to
your main genealogy program. They'll do a lot better in sales if they drop
the price by $10-15

Sherry


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Steve Hayes
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 8:52 PM
To: gensoft@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [gensoft] New version of Clooz released

Clooz is a genealogical research tool that enables you to analyse your data
in various ways, and possibly open up new avenues for research.

Development of the program was recently taken over by Ancestral Systems, and
they are now offering a free trial of Clooz 3.0, which is due to be released
soon.

For more information see:
http://www.clooz.com/


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Steve Hayes

#272 From: "Steve Hayes" <hayesstw@...>
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:24 am
Subject: (Fwd) [CLOOZ] Clooz 4.0
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Something from the Clooz mailing list.

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On 21 Sep 2012 at 17:32, Clooz wrote:

> Having said that, I'm sure you are all familiar with the many issues we have
> been able to improve or correct.  I must admit that Rich has achieved far
> more than I expected when I first acquired Clooz.
>
> We will continue, where practical, to make small improvements, so long as we
> don't expend time and resources that would be better spent developing our
> vision for a brand new Clooz 4.0.

I think that's exactly right.

Perhaps what is needed is to make a clear distinction between what needs to
be
fixed in Clooz 3.x and a wish list for Clooz 4.0.

I'm not saying this for you and Rick, because I'm sure you're aware of it,
but
rather for other members of the list, to suggest that we clearly indicate
which things are bugs, and which things belong to the wish list.

I also think it is important for Clooz to remain focused on its core business
-- that it is a document-based program, or perhaps an evidence-based program.
and that it can't do everything. It is important that it does what it does do
well.


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#273 From: Henry Neugass <henryneu@...>
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2012 8:11 pm
Subject: new member self-intro
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Hello,

Hello, I'm a old-time s/w (and h/w) engineer working on my eastern European family history with a small group of my co-descendants.  I have a theory that if I can just find a super-user-friendly genealogy CMS, all my colleagues will join in enthusiastically to enter data. So far... nada.

Seems like I've been looking for about 5 years now. Near the start I found PhpGedView.  Long story short:  I couldn't figure out how to use it and get reliable results. Fail.  Fast forward:  At the moment I'm evaluating a PhpGedView fork/descendant, webtrees 1.3.1, on a fairly narrow collaborative project with a cousin.

I'm aiming  towards (or: dreaming of) a comprehensive record of all the people who lived in my ancestral village up until 1 September 1939, the start of WWII, including 1st and 2nd generations of those who emigrated before that time. (There were probably around 3000 people in the village in 1939.)  Basic genealogical data plus photos, stories, ...whatever can be found to recall that community as it was before 1939.

It is obviously a tough job:  due to multiple waves of destruction of that region over the last century or so, records are fragmentary, there are multiple languages to deal with, the emigrants are scattered world-wide, and there's frequently a strong reluctance of the emigrant families to recall the old country.

Most of the people in my little group of co-descendants are not technical at all, many are elderly, so whatever I use needs to have a very clear and streamlined UI, and the security/privacy provisions need to be equally clear and strong -- without getting in the way.  

The point is to have multiple people adding data to the same database, potentially at the same time. But does that ever, ever happen? (Am I dreaming?)  Is software-enabled collaboration really practical?  (Am I dreaming?)   For that matter, does anyone even try to do a comprehensive population database?   Well, sure, in places where there are longtime religious/civil records, unbroken by war or systematic destruction, right?   I should have picked a family who came from one of those places. <sad grin>.

- - -

Some of you may be itching to respond, "Why not use one of the free genealogical web sites such as geni.com?"  Yes, I've seen some very reasonable UI's on such sites.  But, on the other hand, I'm not so reassured by the privacy and security measures - and my standards in this regard are fairly relaxed compared to some of my co-descendants.  I also have some doubts about the flexibility of such sites, say, to accept any kind and length of relevant material.  

Admittedly, I can't say this opinion is based on much actual experience.  And I'll admit I feel a strong desire to have full control of the project, which makes me reluctant to trust public genealogy sites.  What is their accountability?

- - -

Or, how about buying the best genealogy app my own computer will support --I'm on a Mac-- give up the dream of direct collaboration, do the work myself, and upload the results to, say, webtrees for viewing?   I must admit this alternative is looking better and better over the years.

But I'm not ready to give up finding a really super-user-friendly genealogy CMS, even if I end up writing some of it.   What's going on in this area?   I haven't found much of anything, though these days, "not finding" can mean "slightly wrong search terms".   

There's yet another point of view: a genealogical approach simply isn't suitable for my purpose.   Maybe not, but at the moment, I can't think of any better organizing framework.  

Thanks,

Henry

Northern California

#274 From: "Kerry Raymond" <kerry.raymond@...>
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2012 8:57 pm
Subject: RE: new member self-intro
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Hi, Henry!

 

Although the early days of the Web 2.0 hype suggested that we were entering a phase when everyone would be a producer of content, time would suggest that this isn’t so. Blog posts appear to be waning in popularity, Wikipedia active editors are declining although the “micro blogs” (Facebook, Twitter) appear to be on the rise, but in all cases, the ratios of readers to writers is still very much on the side of the readers. While it is now possible for “everyone” to contribute to a range of projects and conversations, the majority of folk do not choose to do so. Most “crowd source” or “open source” projects are sustained by a relatively small core of very active participants. For this reason, I am dubious that the descendants of your particular ancestral village are going to get on board with your plan – a few will contribute directly through your UI, others will contribute if they can email/mail you the information for you to enter (do not underestimate the reluctance of folk to directly engage with even the most intuitive of UIs), a larger number will be happy to occasionally look at what you’ve produced (and probably criticise it), but most won’t be at all interested.

 

On the question of security/privacy, there is something of a two-edge sword here. If some/all of the content is to be kept “private”, then I am not sure why people would bother to contribute it in the first place. They either wish to share it or they don’t (or are you talking about private until death or some embargo date?). You say you don’t trust some of the public genealogy sites, but equally if you run your own site, you are asking people to trust you. I presume your reasoning here is that you have no commercial motivation to exploit the material whereas a public genealogy site might do so, but how will it look to your potential contributors?

 

Also shared genealogies don’t seem to work very well in practice. There are three versions of anything, yours, mine and the “truth” (which we can never really know). Just because Betty believes that the father of an illegitimate child “must have been SoAndSo” doesn’t mean another relative believes it. We can all look at the same evidence and draw different conclusions and a genealogical database is just that, a set of conclusions, not a body of evidence.

 

A lot of people in the genealogy space have been a bit burned by crowd-sourced projects. Many get started with grand ambitions and solicit contributions, but the project falters and the contributions are never made available/integrated (or whatever) as promised, or the site exists for a while and then disappears. The return-on-investment for contributors in many such projects is often low to non-existent and certainly I am now much less likely to contribute to a project unless I can see the clear path to a long-lived site/resource. What commitment will you be able to give to contributors as to the longevity of the site/resource created?

 

Is software-enabled collaboration really possible? Well, yes, Wikipedia demonstrates this is possible. Wikipedia is not perfect – there isn’t much you can really do if two people want to edit exactly the same bit of text at the same time – one set of edits wins and the other has to be refused but most of the time it works out OK. Given that the material you are trying to collect is only partially genealogical in nature, you might do better with a Wiki of some kind. While you are interested in families and individuals, there are also likely to be a wealth of other information: maps, photos, histories, farms, businesses, churches etc that does not neatly fit into a genealogical framework – to which family/individual do you link the photo of the village hall in 1900? It might be easier to not have a genealogical structure but instead focus on providing source material from which you or others could construct genealogies, which, as GEDCOMs or as PDF/Word reports/trees produced by conventional family history software, could be uploaded and made available from the wiki too. That way you have the family history according to you and the one according to Aunt Betty co-existing even if they disagree.

 

I would say grab some open source Wiki software (e.g. MediaWiki which underpins Wikipedia) and start gathering material. This is minimum investment to test the enthusiasm of others to contribute. If you can attract contributions, you can gradually configure/tweak/re-write the code as you go if required (take an agile approach). I think building your own software suite first is pretty much dooming your project from the outset. Our genealogy software forums are littered with “grand plans” to build the ultimate family history software, but very few ever produce even version 1, let alone something others would use.

 

Kerry

 


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Sent: Monday, 8 October 2012 6:12 AM
To: gensoft@yahoogroups.com
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Hello,

 

Hello, I'm a old-time s/w (and h/w) engineer working on my eastern European family history with a small group of my co-descendants.  I have a theory that if I can just find a super-user-friendly genealogy CMS, all my colleagues will join in enthusiastically to enter data. So far... nada.

 

Seems like I've been looking for about 5 years now. Near the start I found PhpGedView.  Long story short:  I couldn't figure out how to use it and get reliable results. Fail.  Fast forward:  At the moment I'm evaluating a PhpGedView fork/descendant, webtrees 1.3.1, on a fairly narrow collaborative project with a cousin.

 

I'm aiming  towards (or: dreaming of) a comprehensive record of all the people who lived in my ancestral village up until 1 September 1939, the start of WWII, including 1st and 2nd generations of those who emigrated before that time. (There were probably around 3000 people in the village in 1939.)  Basic genealogical data plus photos, stories, ...whatever can be found to recall that community as it was before 1939.

 

It is obviously a tough job:  due to multiple waves of destruction of that region over the last century or so, records are fragmentary, there are multiple languages to deal with, the emigrants are scattered world-wide, and there's frequently a strong reluctance of the emigrant families to recall the old country.

 

Most of the people in my little group of co-descendants are not technical at all, many are elderly, so whatever I use needs to have a very clear and streamlined UI, and the security/privacy provisions need to be equally clear and strong -- without getting in the way.  

 

The point is to have multiple people adding data to the same database, potentially at the same time. But does that ever, ever happen? (Am I dreaming?)  Is software-enabled collaboration really practical?  (Am I dreaming?)   For that matter, does anyone even try to do a comprehensive population database?   Well, sure, in places where there are longtime religious/civil records, unbroken by war or systematic destruction, right?   I should have picked a family who came from one of those places. <sad grin>.

 

- - -

 

Some of you may be itching to respond, "Why not use one of the free genealogical web sites such as geni.com?"  Yes, I've seen some very reasonable UI's on such sites.  But, on the other hand, I'm not so reassured by the privacy and security measures - and my standards in this regard are fairly relaxed compared to some of my co-descendants.  I also have some doubts about the flexibility of such sites, say, to accept any kind and length of relevant material.  

 

Admittedly, I can't say this opinion is based on much actual experience.  And I'll admit I feel a strong desire to have full control of the project, which makes me reluctant to trust public genealogy sites.  What is their accountability?

 

- - -

 

Or, how about buying the best genealogy app my own computer will support --I'm on a Mac-- give up the dream of direct collaboration, do the work myself, and upload the results to, say, webtrees for viewing?   I must admit this alternative is looking better and better over the years.

 

But I'm not ready to give up finding a really super-user-friendly genealogy CMS, even if I end up writing some of it.   What's going on in this area?   I haven't found much of anything, though these days, "not finding" can mean "slightly wrong search terms".   

 

There's yet another point of view: a genealogical approach simply isn't suitable for my purpose.   Maybe not, but at the moment, I can't think of any better organizing framework.  

 

Thanks,

 

Henry

 

Northern California


#275 From: Henry Neugass <henryneu@...>
Date: Tue Oct 9, 2012 3:33 am
Subject: Re: new member self-intro --> tools and philosophy, genealogy, community history etc.
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Kerry:

Thanks for your thoughtful reply on this thread:

On Oct 8, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Kerry Raymond wrote:

Hi, Henry!
 
Howdy!

Although the early days of the Web 2.0 hype suggested that we were entering a phase when everyone would be a producer of content, time would suggest that this isn’t so. Blog posts appear to be waning in popularity, Wikipedia active editors are declining although the “micro blogs” (Facebook, Twitter) appear to be on the rise, but in all cases, the ratios of readers to writers is still very much on the side of the readers. 

Actually, I hadn't given any thought at all to those trends.   I'm in Silicon Valley, so I'm as aware of them as anyone can be, I guess.  But this is  a narrow-interest project, while the hype over the years has been on growth business propositions. This one just didn't seem to have any connection to all that.

While it is now possible for “everyone” to contribute to a range of projects and conversations, the majority of folk do not choose to do so. Most “crowd source” or “open source” projects are sustained by a relatively small core of very active participants.

In my experience most non-commercial projects of any kind are sustained by one or two main financial donors.   

For this reason, I am dubious that the descendants of your particular ancestral village are going to get on board with your plan – a few will contribute directly through your UI, others will contribute if they can email/mail you the information for you to enter (do not underestimate the reluctance of folk to directly engage with even the most intuitive of UIs), a larger number will be happy to occasionally look at what you’ve produced (and probably criticise it), but most won’t be at all interested.
Right, agreed, it seems so.   In something like 5 years I've received no spontaneous, solid offers of any help whatsoever, so it isn't a surprise that people wouldn't step up to a rather difficult and likely thankless task.  

I can still dream, though!   

Finding a really super-user-friendly UI would definitely help me, if/when I do the task alone.   
On the question of security/privacy, there is something of a two-edge sword here. If some/all of the content is to be kept “private”, then I am not sure why people would bother to contribute it in the first place. They either wish to share it or they don’t (or are you talking about private until death or some embargo date?). You say you don’t trust some of the public genealogy sites, but equally if you run your own site, you are asking people to trust you. I presume your reasoning here is that you have no commercial motivation to exploit the material whereas a public genealogy site might do so, but how will it look to your potential contributors?

Right.  That's always the problem.   I have another, related project that I inherited by being stupid/crazy enough to volunteer to take over from a guy who could no longer maintain the site.  Someday, that guy will be me.  Will someone volunteer to replace me?  

In fact, none of the descendants have ever shown any bit of worry about the long-term issue.  They are generally very glad I'm doing the work -- just not glad enough to offer any kind of support.   Oh, well...

I'm totally committed to privacy for living persons, of which there will be none.  In this project so far, I've seen some strange, extreme demands by potential contributors regarding privacy of people who are long-dead.   I accept that some people are traumatized by their family tragedies, and if necessary to get contributions of  source materials, I'm willing to lock more doors than I ordinarily would.   Perhaps demonstrating the care to provide locks will be sufficient in most cases.

I've heard horror stories about some public sites, for example, that there's more mis-information than accurate data on some of them.

Here's a completely different concern:  this project will require combing through a number of  institutional web resources located in multiple countries.   In some cases there may be pertinent data about hundreds of  individuals on a given site --  lots of data which I'll more or less be vacuuming up.    Each site has different terms of use, most of which seem to leave lots of room for republishing for non-commercial, educational, or "scholarly"  purposes.  But parsing all those Terms is difficult.    By limiting access to qualified people -- descendants--  I might not be re-"publishing". Either way, restricted, the work will be far less visible to those institutions.    So ... restricting access seems like a practical expedient.  I'm not an international copyright attorney nor do I have access to one, I'm just a layperson, and I'm a bit cautious. 
Also shared genealogies don’t seem to work very well in practice. There are three versions of anything, yours, mine and the “truth” (which we can never really know). Just because Betty believes that the father of an illegitimate child “must have been SoAndSo” doesn’t mean another relative believes it. We can all look at the same evidence and draw different conclusions and a genealogical database is just that, a set of conclusions, not a body of evidence.

It is fundamentally hard to get a good collaboration going between just two individuals, in my experience, let alone some larger number.   That software tools have built with a strong value on collaboration doesn't mean people will use the tools.   

A lot of people in the genealogy space have been a bit burned by crowd-sourced projects. Many get started with grand ambitions and solicit contributions, but the project falters and the contributions are never made available/integrated (or whatever) as promised, or the site exists for a while and then disappears. The return-on-investment for contributors in many such projects is often low to non-existent and certainly I am now much less likely to contribute to a project unless I can see the clear path to a long-lived site/resource.

Yeah, I know what you mean. That's why I pick my main collaborators very careful, and there are very few of them.

What commitment will you be able to give to contributors as to the longevity of the site/resource created?

As above:  no one has ever come close to asking me about the long-term sustainability.  I'd answer:  Rationally, this project shouldn't even be attempted in the first place.  It doesn't make sense to put in so much work on documenting an obscure Eastern European village!      I can only promise that I'll do the work as well as I can for as long as I can.

Note:  large size (of an institution) implies longevity, but I think that's something of an illusion --  one that  is sometimes actively promoted by the institutions themselves.   In my experience, institutions tend to be territorial and acquisitive, the larger the more.  But, even in a virtual world, there just isn't room for displaying all the acquisitions, and some less interesting material may disappear into the storeroom.  Maybe a lot.  Will it ever be brought out again?    
Is software-enabled collaboration really possible? Well, yes, Wikipedia demonstrates this is possible. Wikipedia is not perfect – there isn’t much you can really do if two people want to edit exactly the same bit of text at the same time – one set of edits wins and the other has to be refused but most of the time it works out OK.

Agreed. 

Given that the material you are trying to collect is only partially genealogical in nature, you might do better with a Wiki of some kind. While you are interested in families and individuals, there are also likely to be a wealth of other information: maps, photos, histories, farms, businesses, churches etc that does not neatly fit into a genealogical framework – to which family/individual do you link the photo of the village hall in 1900?

I don't know.  I've pressed very hard to collect and use maps and photos.    There simply aren't any maps sufficiently detailed to help much.  Photos are trickling in, but the coverage is really spotty.  (For a completely different discussion:  I'm very skeptical of the the usefulness of photos without substantial context and explanation.)

Whatever information framework I use, it is going to be sparsely populated.    

It might be easier to not have a genealogical structure but instead focus on providing source material from which you or others could construct genealogies, which, as GEDCOMs or as PDF/Word reports/trees produced by conventional family history software, could be uploaded and made available from the wiki too. That way you have the family history according to you and the one according to Aunt Betty co-existing even if they disagree.

I've got stuff on the web.   At the moment I'm posting content on custom pages using a randomly ordered topic list  --outline-form table-of-contents navigation on each page-- reflecting nothing more than the order in which I have develop publishable content from raw source material.  For a while I tried to be systematic, but the raw material arrives randomly -- when it is available at all.  I was making myself crazy trying to organize, and my productivity was badly reduced.
I would say grab some open source Wiki software (e.g. MediaWiki which underpins Wikipedia) and start gathering material. This is minimum investment to test the enthusiasm of others to contribute. If you can attract contributions, you can gradually configure/tweak/re-write the code as you go if required (take an agile approach). I think building your own software suite first is pretty much dooming your project from the outset.

Actually I was able to borrow a passable web look-and-feel from another project of mine.  After seeing the  site, such as it is, people do contribute raw material, so I guess it is sufficient.   I'll feel better when I reach critical mass for imposing some kind of systematic order.     Imagine if you were trying to tell a stranger about your home town (if small) or neighborhood. Where would you start?   In what order would you arrange the material?   Yes, of course, with hyperlinking, each reader will define their own path, but I think there's value in having an overall, systematic organization. 
Our genealogy software forums are littered with “grand plans” to build the ultimate family history software, but very few ever produce even version 1, let alone something others would use.
Yep, as we used to say in the heyday of the valley:  Every tekkie has a scheme for getting rich that won't work.

I'll settle for finding --or developing-- some efficient data entry/transfer techniques for myself.  And finding some folks who have experience doing roughly the same kind of projects from whom I can learn.

And: I'll still dream of getting some actual help from my co-descendants.  

Thanks,

Henry


 
Kerry
 

From: gensoft@yahoogroups.com [mailto:gensoft@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Henry Neugass
Sent: Monday, 8 October 2012 6:12 AM
To: gensoft@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [gensoft] new member self-intro
 
 

Hello,

 
Hello, I'm a old-time s/w (and h/w) engineer working on my eastern European family history with a small group of my co-descendants.  I have a theory that if I can just find a super-user-friendly genealogy CMS, all my colleagues will join in enthusiastically to enter data. So far... nada.
 
Seems like I've been looking for about 5 years now. Near the start I found PhpGedView.  Long story short:  I couldn't figure out how to use it and get reliable results. Fail.  Fast forward:  At the moment I'm evaluating a PhpGedView fork/descendant, webtrees 1.3.1, on a fairly narrow collaborative project with a cousin.
 
I'm aiming  towards (or: dreaming of) a comprehensive record of all the people who lived in my ancestral village up until 1 September 1939, the start of WWII, including 1st and 2nd generations of those who emigrated before that time. (There were probably around 3000 people in the village in 1939.)  Basic genealogical data plus photos, stories, ...whatever can be found to recall that community as it was before 1939.
 
It is obviously a tough job:  due to multiple waves of destruction of that region over the last century or so, records are fragmentary, there are multiple languages to deal with, the emigrants are scattered world-wide, and there's frequently a strong reluctance of the emigrant families to recall the old country.
 
Most of the people in my little group of co-descendants are not technical at all, many are elderly, so whatever I use needs to have a very clear and streamlined UI, and the security/privacy provisions need to be equally clear and strong -- without getting in the way.  
 
The point is to have multiple people adding data to the same database, potentially at the same time. But does that ever, ever happen? (Am I dreaming?)  Is software-enabled collaboration really practical?  (Am I dreaming?)   For that matter, does anyone even try to do a comprehensive population database?   Well, sure, in places where there are longtime religious/civil records, unbroken by war or systematic destruction, right?   I should have picked a family who came from one of those places. <sad grin>.
 
- - -
 
Some of you may be itching to respond, "Why not use one of the free genealogical web sites such as geni.com?"  Yes, I've seen some very reasonable UI's on such sites.  But, on the other hand, I'm not so reassured by the privacy and security measures - and my standards in this regard are fairly relaxed compared to some of my co-descendants.  I also have some doubts about the flexibility of such sites, say, to accept any kind and length of relevant material.  
 
Admittedly, I can't say this opinion is based on much actual experience.  And I'll admit I feel a strong desire to have full control of the project, which makes me reluctant to trust public genealogy sites.  What is their accountability?
 
- - -
 
Or, how about buying the best genealogy app my own computer will support --I'm on a Mac-- give up the dream of direct collaboration, do the work myself, and upload the results to, say, webtrees for viewing?   I must admit this alternative is looking better and better over the years.
 
But I'm not ready to give up finding a really super-user-friendly genealogy CMS, even if I end up writing some of it.   What's going on in this area?   I haven't found much of anything, though these days, "not finding" can mean "slightly wrong search terms".   
 
There's yet another point of view: a genealogical approach simply isn't suitable for my purpose.   Maybe not, but at the moment, I can't think of any better organizing framework.  
 
Thanks,
 
Henry
 
Northern California




#276 From: "Steve Hayes" <hayesstw@...>
Date: Tue Oct 9, 2012 8:42 am
Subject: Shared genealogies and crowd sourcing
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On 9 Oct 2012 at 6:57, Kerry Raymond wrote:

> Also shared genealogies don't seem to work very well in practice. There are
> three versions of anything, yours, mine and the "truth" (which we can never
> really know). Just because Betty believes that the father of an illegitimate
> child "must have been SoAndSo" doesn't mean another relative believes it. We
> can all look at the same evidence and draw different conclusions and a
> genealogical database is just that, a set of conclusions, not a body of
> evidence.

My experience certainly fits in with that.

Four years ago I started a family Wiki for sharing family stories, but
practically no one has contributed to it. Lots of people visit it, and read
what I have written, and probably nick some of the information for their own
family trees, but it's all take and no give, so I hardly ever update it now.

> A lot of people in the genealogy space have been a bit burned by
> crowd-sourced projects. Many get started with grand ambitions and solicit
> contributions, but the project falters and the contributions are never made
> available/integrated (or whatever) as promised, or the site exists for a while
> and then disappears. The return-on-investment for contributors in many such
> projects is often low to non-existent and certainly I am now much less likely
> to contribute to a project unless I can see the clear path to a long-lived
> site/resource. What commitment will you be able to give to contributors as to
> the longevity of the site/resource created?

Some of them have been remarkably successful, though, most notably FreeBMD,
which is a very useful resource, as are the spinoffs, FreeREG and FreeCEN,
though to a lesser extent.



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#277 From: "Steve Hayes" <hayesstw@...>
Date: Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:17 pm
Subject: Libre Office genealogy templates
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I had a look at the Libre Office templates site, and they had a section for
genealogy templates, which looked interesting.

But when I went to have a look at it here

http://tinyurl.com/bozjql3

there was nothing there.

So here's a topic for discussion:

What kinds of templates would you find useful for genealogy?

Do you have a wishlist for your own research?


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#278 From: Graham Ward <graham.ward@...>
Date: Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:30 pm
Subject: Re: Libre Office genealogy templates
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Steve, there are four in Open Office here http://templates.services.openoffice.org/en/search/node/genealogy It would be worth seeing if they work in LibreOffice too.

Graham


On 14/11/2012 19:17, Steve Hayes wrote:
 

I had a look at the Libre Office templates site, and they had a section for
genealogy templates, which looked interesting.

But when I went to have a look at it here

http://tinyurl.com/bozjql3

there was nothing there.

So here's a topic for discussion:

What kinds of templates would you find useful for genealogy?

Do you have a wishlist for your own research?

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#279 From: Marshall Lake <mlake@...>
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:14 pm
Subject: Re: Libre Office genealogy templates
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> Steve, there are four in Open Office here
> http://templates.services.openoffice.org/en/search/node/genealogy It
> would be worth seeing if they work in LibreOffice too.

I tried all four in LibreOffice, though not extensively.  They seem to load
and work fine.

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#280 From: gensoft@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat Dec 1, 2012 6:23 pm
Subject: File - monthly.txt
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Just a reminder of the genealogical software discussion forum on YahooGroups

In is a good place for

* discussing programs you are using, and how to get the best out of them
* discussing programs you would like to see
* discussing improvements you would like to see in existing programs
* collaborating in developing programs that are useful for genealogists
* reviewing genealogy software
* announcing and commenting on new versions and programs
* anything else to do with computer programs used for genealogy

When discussing general software, such as word processors, spreadsheets,
databases etc., it is best to stick to the genealogical uses of those programs
-- but sharing ideas on how they can be used for genealogy is good.

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#281 From: "johnecarter" <ads@...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2012 12:34 am
Subject: Re: Shared genealogies and crowd sourcing
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In ten+ years of tracing a couple of family lines, the most success I've had in
getting other people to contribute to a family tree is with a printed
multi-generation chart with pictures - posted on a wall at the site where the
yearly reunion is held.  Those who don't find family member pictures on the
chart almost always contribute at least pictures - and while you have their
attention you can ask for other info.

This can lead to big charts - one year I had access to a roll-fed plotter and
the chart was 3 feet high and 20+ feet long but almost everyone wanted to
themselves and their immediate family.  There were even a few who looked at
multiple generations.

I've had almost zero success with anything promised for 'later' - maybe 1 person
in 100 actually follows through.

John

#282 From: "Sherry" <sherdh@...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2012 2:57 am
Subject: RE: Re: Shared genealogies and crowd sourcing
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A lot of people do that and have lots of pens or pencils hanging around so
the blanks can be filled for dates and children.

Sounds fun!

Sherry


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In ten+ years of tracing a couple of family lines, the most success I've had
in getting other people to contribute to a family tree is with a printed
multi-generation chart with pictures - posted on a wall at the site where
the yearly reunion is held.  Those who don't find family member pictures on
the chart almost always contribute at least pictures - and while you have
their attention you can ask for other info.

This can lead to big charts - one year I had access to a roll-fed plotter
and the chart was 3 feet high and 20+ feet long but almost everyone wanted
to themselves and their immediate family.  There were even a few who looked
at multiple generations.

I've had almost zero success with anything promised for 'later' - maybe 1
person in 100 actually follows through.

John

#283 From: "Steve Hayes" <hayesstw@...>
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:15 am
Subject: Can Clooz replace Research Data Filer to keep track of paper files?
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I've spent quite a lot of time today entering information into the Research
Data Filer program that I got with PAF some 20 years ago.

I thought of ways that it could be improved, and wished for an update, but
there is still no other program that does what it does as well as it does.

Could Clooz 4 be that program? I hope so!

More here:

http://t.co/wqwtx7bq


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#284 From: "Steve Hayes" <hayesstw@...>
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2012 7:43 am
Subject: (Fwd) [CLOOZ] Mac and Linux Users
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From the developers of Clooz -- looking for views of Mac & Linux users.

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Hi Folks,

As we prepare for 2013 and the development of Clooz 4, we need to gather
information on members who now use a Mac or Linux operating system.  Although
we do not currently use either system, we have learned that Clooz 3 runs
normally on those systems under various emulator modes.

We consider the emulator use as a less than optimal solution, so our
goal is to release Clooz 4 in a native mode for each system, assuming
there is a large enough group of folks to make the effort worthwhile.

Please update your information in our master database which is
maintained in our Constant Contact service.  This is very simple to do,
and requires only a minute or two.  Go to our web site:

http://www.clooz.com/

and click on the large button to "Join our mailing list".  When you
enter your e-mail address you will be offered two options.  The first is to
update your information, and the second is to re-subscribe if you are no
longer in our database.  For your security, when you click "Submit", you will
immediately receive an e-mail containing the link to perform the update.
Please be sure that you select BOTH the General Information list and the Mac
or Linux list.

Constant Contact service does not allow SPAMing of any kind, so the only
e-mail you will receive from us will be legitimate Clooz information, will be
appropriately labeled, and will be from my business e-mail address joe @
clooz.com.  Your information WILL NOT be shared with any other entity for any
purpose.

This is a serious request to help us develop Clooz into the visionary
product that we all desire.

Your help will be greatly appreciated.

Joe and Rich
Ancestral Systems LLC

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#285 From: gensoft@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue Jan 1, 2013 6:40 pm
Subject: File - monthly.txt
gensoft@yahoogroups.com
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Just a reminder of the genealogical software discussion forum on YahooGroups

In is a good place for

* discussing programs you are using, and how to get the best out of them
* discussing programs you would like to see
* discussing improvements you would like to see in existing programs
* collaborating in developing programs that are useful for genealogists
* reviewing genealogy software
* announcing and commenting on new versions and programs
* anything else to do with computer programs used for genealogy

When discussing general software, such as word processors, spreadsheets,
databases etc., it is best to stick to the genealogical uses of those programs
-- but sharing ideas on how they can be used for genealogy is good.

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Group web site
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gensoft

Steve Hayes
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#286 From: "Steve Hayes" <hayesstw@...>
Date: Fri Jan 4, 2013 4:33 am
Subject: Gensoft Reviews: User's Choice Awards 2012
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Users of genealogy software come to this site to review and rate the software
they use.

The programs that receive user approval deserve to be duly recognized.

These well-liked programs receive the GenSoftReviews award for "Top Rated
Genealogy Software".

Awards are presented to all programs achieving a 4.00 or more star rating
based on 10 or more total user reviews with at least one review in the
qualifying year.

Programs that have reached this standard in the past year
are shown with their Users Choice Award alongside their listings on
GenSoftReviews.

See them all here:

http://www.gensoftreviews.com/awards.php


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