>
> I got this from another list & thought I would forward it on to the ones
in
> which I belong.
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: <SALLY228@...
>  To: <POCAHONTAS-L@...
>  Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 7:59 AM
>  Subject: [Poca] Moving Cemetery!
>
>
>   I live in St. Louis, Missouri and saw on the local news tonight that
there
> is a BRIDGETON MEMORIAL PARK - 1843 - 1963 ( North St. Louis) that is
looking
> for persons with family buried there. The airport is being expanded and
they
> are going to move the CEMETERY. Is there a way to get this message to as
many
> listers as possible in a short amount of time?
>
>      Can you help!
>
>      Pat Jones Smith
>      St. Louis, Missouri  USA
>      MSmith3030@...

Typical arrogant New York attitude!!!!

I'm very interested in the possibility of having some graves of Rev. War
vets marked.  One in particular is in NC, and there are many records of this
man's having served in the RW, but no marker in the cemetery.  The stone
which originally marked his grave is nearly completely ruined, and without
the records of the family the place would be unknown.  I wonder if there is
some place to contact in order to begin some process of getting it marked.

Doris....A Texan in Georgia;
Still shaking the family tree,
and dodging the nuts after 30+years!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Shivers [mailto:shivers@...]
> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2000 2:11 PM
> To: genpcfr@egroups.com
> Subject: [genpcfr] List Help Needed - Revolutionary Cemetery in Danger
>
>
>
> Information from the "Times News"  Sept,23,2000
>
> A Cemetery that was once placed on a list of historic sites and recieved a
> plaque is in danger of becoming an Industrial Park. This site has had its
> marker stolen and new building permits do not mention a cemetery on the
> property even though it is known, documented and a part of the
> local history
> lessons at Elon College that there were mass graves in this small grove of
> tree's where "Pyle's Hacking Match" took place  Feb,23,1781.  The late
> Benson Tossing  compiled a directory of Revolutionary War sites
> in 1849 and
> mentions the 2 mass gravesites. The marker was placed on  N.C.49 stating
> that "a body of Tories going to join Cornwallis' army in Hiullsborough was
> destroyed by a Whig force Feb,23,1781, 3/4 mile southwest.
> Historians books
> refer to the Pro-English detachment were cut down in a surprise
> sword attack
> by Lee's Troops. Any family members still searching for soldiers in this
> area should contact Pat Bailey of Snow Camp, vice chairwoman of
> the Alamance
> County Historic Properties Commission, also contact Jim Lauritsen,
> Burlington, NC city engineer to protest the obvious commercial attempt to
> destroy Historic grounds. Recent environmental study shows no indication
> that a cemetery or burial site exists. As a North Caolina resident i can
> help if i have the proper legal representation and guidance from
> any of the
> family attorneys on the list outlining any steps that i need to stop this
> immediately. If anyone with a more proffesional knowledge of the steps
> needed and is willing to help in this tragidy please step forward for
> everyone on the list and lend a helping hand.
>
>
> James Shivers
> ListManager
> Strickland-L@...
> Stricklin-L@...
>
> geneseeker@...
> Live Genealogy Chat nightly at http://xtremechat.org
>
> Get your free permanent non-commercial/no-spam/no-banner email "FREE"
> courtesy of James Shivers - Shivers Genealogy Researcher
> Finalizing the post Revolutionary Family History - I still need
> more time so
> dont destroy all the evidence before i have my chance to properly document
> my pre-Revolutionary Family History.
>
>
>
>
> Excellent genealogy resourses available at PITT COUNTY FAMILY
> RESEARCHERS website.  Suggest you BookMark it! Visit:
>       http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncpcfr/
>
> Mark your calendar's for PCFR's 4th Annual Meeting and REUNION
> 6th & 7th Oct 2000.  See:
> http://www.FamilyReunion.com/cgi/calendar.cgi?ref=email&keywords=j
ewelle@...

The local DAR Chapter would be the place to start. They do a lot of marking
of REV War veteran graves. If you can't get any answer from the local
chapter, contact the state.

Martha


>I'm very interested in the possibility of having some graves of Rev. War
>vets marked.  One in particular is in NC, and there are many records of this
>man's having served in the RW, but no marker in the cemetery.  The stone
>which originally marked his grave is nearly completely ruined, and without
>the records of the family the place would be unknown.  I wonder if there is
>some place to contact in order to begin some process of getting it marked.
>
>Doris....A Texan in Georgia;
>Still shaking the family tree,
>and dodging the nuts after 30+years!
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: James Shivers [mailto:shivers@...]
>> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2000 2:11 PM
>> To: genpcfr@egroups.com
>> Subject: [genpcfr] List Help Needed - Revolutionary Cemetery in Danger
>>
>>
>>
>> Information from the "Times News"  Sept,23,2000
>>
>> A Cemetery that was once placed on a list of historic sites and recieved a
>> plaque is in danger of becoming an Industrial Park. This site has had its
>> marker stolen and new building permits do not mention a cemetery on the
>> property even though it is known, documented and a part of the
>> local history
>> lessons at Elon College that there were mass graves in this small grove of
>> tree's where "Pyle's Hacking Match" took place  Feb,23,1781.  The late
>> Benson Tossing  compiled a directory of Revolutionary War sites
>> in 1849 and
>> mentions the 2 mass gravesites. The marker was placed on  N.C.49 stating
>> that "a body of Tories going to join Cornwallis' army in Hiullsborough was
>> destroyed by a Whig force Feb,23,1781, 3/4 mile southwest.
>> Historians books
>> refer to the Pro-English detachment were cut down in a surprise
>> sword attack
>> by Lee's Troops. Any family members still searching for soldiers in this
>> area should contact Pat Bailey of Snow Camp, vice chairwoman of
>> the Alamance
>> County Historic Properties Commission, also contact Jim Lauritsen,
>> Burlington, NC city engineer to protest the obvious commercial attempt to
>> destroy Historic grounds. Recent environmental study shows no indication
>> that a cemetery or burial site exists. As a North Caolina resident i can
>> help if i have the proper legal representation and guidance from
>> any of the
>> family attorneys on the list outlining any steps that i need to stop this
>> immediately. If anyone with a more proffesional knowledge of the steps
>> needed and is willing to help in this tragidy please step forward for
>> everyone on the list and lend a helping hand.
>>
>>
>> James Shivers
>> ListManager
>> Strickland-L@...
>> Stricklin-L@...
>>
>> geneseeker@...
>> Live Genealogy Chat nightly at http://xtremechat.org
>>
>> Get your free permanent non-commercial/no-spam/no-banner email "FREE"
>> courtesy of James Shivers - Shivers Genealogy Researcher
>> Finalizing the post Revolutionary Family History - I still need
>> more time so
>> dont destroy all the evidence before i have my chance to properly document
>> my pre-Revolutionary Family History.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Excellent genealogy resourses available at PITT COUNTY FAMILY
>> RESEARCHERS website.  Suggest you BookMark it! Visit:
>>       http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncpcfr/
>>
>> Mark your calendar's for PCFR's 4th Annual Meeting and REUNION
>> 6th & 7th Oct 2000.  See:
>> http://www.FamilyReunion.com/cgi/calendar.cgi?ref=email&keywords=j
>ewelle@...
>
>
>
>Excellent genealogy resourses available at PITT COUNTY FAMILY RESEARCHERS
website.  Suggest you BookMark it! Visit:
>      http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncpcfr/
>
>Mark your calendar's for PCFR's 4th Annual Meeting and REUNION 6th & 7th
Oct 2000.  See:
>http://www.FamilyReunion.com/cgi/calendar.cgi?ref=email&keywords=jewelle@co
astalnet.com
>
>
>

Thanks Martha, I will start there and let you know what I find out.  Wonder
if I have to be a member?  I could, but just never have applied.

Doris....A Texan in Georgia;
Still shaking the family tree,
and dodging the nuts after 30+years!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martha Marble [mailto:mmarble@...]
> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2000 8:56 PM
> To: genpcfr@egroups.com
> Subject: RE: [genpcfr] List Help Needed - Revolutionary Cemetery in
> Danger
>
>
>
> The local DAR Chapter would be the place to start. They do a lot
> of marking
> of REV War veteran graves. If you can't get any answer from the local
> chapter, contact the state.
>
> Martha
>
>
> >I'm very interested in the possibility of having some graves of Rev. War
> >vets marked.  One in particular is in NC, and there are many
> records of this
> >man's having served in the RW, but no marker in the cemetery.  The stone
> >which originally marked his grave is nearly completely ruined,
> and without
> >the records of the family the place would be unknown.  I wonder
> if there is
> >some place to contact in order to begin some process of getting
> it marked.
> >
> >Doris....A Texan in Georgia;
> >Still shaking the family tree,
> >and dodging the nuts after 30+years!
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: James Shivers [mailto:shivers@...]
> >> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2000 2:11 PM
> >> To: genpcfr@egroups.com
> >> Subject: [genpcfr] List Help Needed - Revolutionary Cemetery in Danger
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Information from the "Times News"  Sept,23,2000
> >>
> >> A Cemetery that was once placed on a list of historic sites
> and recieved a
> >> plaque is in danger of becoming an Industrial Park. This site
> has had its
> >> marker stolen and new building permits do not mention a cemetery on the
> >> property even though it is known, documented and a part of the
> >> local history
> >> lessons at Elon College that there were mass graves in this
> small grove of
> >> tree's where "Pyle's Hacking Match" took place  Feb,23,1781.  The late
> >> Benson Tossing  compiled a directory of Revolutionary War sites
> >> in 1849 and
> >> mentions the 2 mass gravesites. The marker was placed on
> N.C.49 stating
> >> that "a body of Tories going to join Cornwallis' army in
> Hiullsborough was
> >> destroyed by a Whig force Feb,23,1781, 3/4 mile southwest.
> >> Historians books
> >> refer to the Pro-English detachment were cut down in a surprise
> >> sword attack
> >> by Lee's Troops. Any family members still searching for
> soldiers in this
> >> area should contact Pat Bailey of Snow Camp, vice chairwoman of
> >> the Alamance
> >> County Historic Properties Commission, also contact Jim Lauritsen,
> >> Burlington, NC city engineer to protest the obvious commercial
> attempt to
> >> destroy Historic grounds. Recent environmental study shows no
> indication
> >> that a cemetery or burial site exists. As a North Caolina
> resident i can
> >> help if i have the proper legal representation and guidance from
> >> any of the
> >> family attorneys on the list outlining any steps that i need
> to stop this
> >> immediately. If anyone with a more proffesional knowledge of the steps
> >> needed and is willing to help in this tragidy please step forward for
> >> everyone on the list and lend a helping hand.
> >>
> >>
> >> James Shivers
> >> ListManager
> >> Strickland-L@...
> >> Stricklin-L@...
> >>
> >> geneseeker@...
> >> Live Genealogy Chat nightly at http://xtremechat.org
> >>
> >> Get your free permanent non-commercial/no-spam/no-banner email "FREE"
> >> courtesy of James Shivers - Shivers Genealogy Researcher
> >> Finalizing the post Revolutionary Family History - I still need
> >> more time so
> >> dont destroy all the evidence before i have my chance to
> properly document
> >> my pre-Revolutionary Family History.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Excellent genealogy resourses available at PITT COUNTY FAMILY
> >> RESEARCHERS website.  Suggest you BookMark it! Visit:
> >>       http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncpcfr/
> >>
> >> Mark your calendar's for PCFR's 4th Annual Meeting and REUNION
> >> 6th & 7th Oct 2000.  See:
> >> http://www.FamilyReunion.com/cgi/calendar.cgi?ref=email&keywords=j
> >ewelle@...
> >
> >
> >
> >Excellent genealogy resourses available at PITT COUNTY FAMILY RESEARCHERS
> website.  Suggest you BookMark it! Visit:
> >      http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncpcfr/
> >
> >Mark your calendar's for PCFR's 4th Annual Meeting and REUNION 6th & 7th
> Oct 2000.  See:
> >http://www.FamilyReunion.com/cgi/calendar.cgi?ref=email&keywords=
jewelle@co
astalnet.com
>
>
>


Excellent genealogy resourses available at PITT COUNTY FAMILY RESEARCHERS
website.  Suggest you BookMark it! Visit:
       http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncpcfr/

Mark your calendar's for PCFR's 4th Annual Meeting and REUNION 6th & 7th Oct
2000.  See:
http://www.FamilyReunion.com/cgi/calendar.cgi?ref=email&keywords=jewelle@coa
stalnet.com

>Thanks Martha, I will start there and let you know what I find out.  Wonder
>if I have to be a member?  I could, but just never have applied.

No, just bring it to their attention.

Martha

I was asked what I had on Biggs Stocks family:

Henry Stocks, b. ca. 1820/24; lived in Pitt Co. with (Common law?)Grizzie
McLawhorn, b. ca. 1827, and had children by her:
1) Samuel Stocks, b. ca. 1847
2) J. S. Stocks, b. ca. 1849
3) Biggs Stocks, b. ca. 1851
4) Mary Stocks, b. ca. 1867/57?; m. on May 29, 1887 in Contentnea Twsp.,
Pitt Co. to B. B. Nobles, b. ca. 1850, son of Jonathan Nobles and Barbara
_______.


In 1860, Henry was living next door to Jonathan Stocks, b. ca. 1819 and wife
Melvina Garris.

Biggs Stocks, b. ca. 1851; m. on Oct. 4, 1871 in Pitt Co. to Martha White,
d. June 27, 1930, dau. of Frederick White and Mary ______.
CHILDREN(not in order):
1) Marcellus Stocks, b. ca. 1871; m. on Mar. 3, 1891 in Contentnea Twsp.,
Pitt Co. to Nannie/Nancy Dail, dau. of John Dail and Mary______.

2) William Stocks, b. ca. 1873, d. Nov. 15, 1946; m. on Sept. 8, 1904 in
Contentnea Twsp., Pitt Co. to Pearlie A. Dail, b. ca. 1890, dau. of Offie
Dail and Julia ______.

3) Henry Stocks, b. ca. 1876, d. July 24, 1933; m. on July 1, 1900 in
Contentnea Twsp., Pitt Co. to Mary Roberson; dau. of James Roberson and
Louvenia _______.

4) Ed Stocks, d. Sept. 14, 1951.

5) John Stocks, b. ca. 1881, d. Sept. 9, 1937; m. on Aug. 2, 1906 in
Contentnea Twsp., Pitt Co. to Josie Jones, dau. of Jos. Jones and Puss
_______.

6) Rebecca Stocks, b. ca. 1872; m.1) on April 13, 1890 in Contentnea Twsp.,
Pitt Co. to George W. Roberson, b. ca. 1870, son of James Roberson and
Louvenia_______. She m.2) on Jan. 9, 1898 in Swift Creek Twsp., Pitt Co. to
John J. Culfield, b. ca. 1862, son of J. W. Culfield and Lucy _______.

7) Dolly Stocks, b. ca. 1892; m. on April 11, 1910 in Contentnea Twsp., Pitt
Co. to W. H. Wainwright, b. ca. 1860, son of W. H. Wainwright and
June______.

8) Queenie Stocks, b. ca. 1884; m.1) on May 17, 1896 in Contentnea Twsp.,
Pitt Co. to Richard Anderson, b. ca. 1853, son of John Anderson and
Sallie________. She m.2) on Sept. 10, 1924 in Greenville Twsp., Pitt Co. to
Alfred Wainwright, b. ca. 1887, son of M. Wainwright and Susan ________.

9) Bessie Stocks, b. ca. 1896; m. on Sept. 30, 1914 in Contentnea Twsp.,
Pitt Co. to Andrew J. Braxton, b. ca. 1884, son of Frank Braxton.

I hope this helps. Roger Kammerer
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DO YOU HAVE ANY INFO ON WRIGHT STOCKS BORN 1815 OR WILLIAM STOCKS BORN AROUND
THE 1760-70'S WHO WAS THE SON OF ISAAC STOCKS 1730-1791 + OR HILARY STOCKS IN
1800 AND 1810 N.C. CENSUS . I AM LOOKING FOR THE FATHER OF WRIGHT STOCKS WHO
WAS THOUGHT TO BE THE BROTHER OF GUILFORD STOCKS WHO MOVED TO ALA., WYLIE
STOCKS  N.C., ANOTHER ISAAC STOCKS N.C. AND A REDDING OR READING STOCKS  ?
ANY INFO. WOULD BE HELPFUL

Picked up from Pennsylvania list ...  Jim Brown

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <BSKTBTQUE@...>
> To: <PENNSYLVANIA-L@...>
> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 5:58 PM
> Subject: [PA] Cemetery Lawsuit
>
>
> > Hi
> >
> > This was sent to me on another list, thought it was very interesting to
> say
> > the least.  Couple being sued for cleaning up old cemetery.
> >
> > http://detnews.com/2000/wayne/0009/19/d03-122252.htm
> >
> > Marie
>
>

Do you have a Alvany Stocks (1842) married to a Redding Tripp?  Do you know
where this name of Redding came from?  Bothe of my mother's grandfathers were
named Redding.  Louise

----- Original Message -----

From: Jim Brown

To: genpcfr@egroups.com

Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 8:00 PM

Subject: [genpcfr] Fw: [PA] Cemetery Lawsuit

Picked up from Pennsylvania list ...  Jim Brown

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <BSKTBTQUE@...>
> To: <PENNSYLVANIA-L@...>
> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 5:58 PM
> Subject: [PA] Cemetery Lawsuit
>
>
> > Hi
> >
> > This was sent to me on another list, thought it was very interesting to
> say
> > the least.  Couple being sued for cleaning up old cemetery.
> >
> > http://detnews.com/2000/wayne/0009/19/d03-122252.htm
> >
> > Marie
>
>


Excellent genealogy resourses available at PITT COUNTY FAMILY RESEARCHERS website.  Suggest you BookMark it! Visit:
      http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncpcfr/

Mark your calendar's for PCFR's 4th Annual Meeting and REUNION 6th & 7th Oct 2000.  See:
http://www.FamilyReunion.com/cgi/calendar.cgi?ref=email&keywords=jewelle@...

Hello!!
I have created a new Website called "Genealogy Look Up Forum". It is a
website of volunteers who will do various types of look ups such as
Census,
Cemetery, Marriage, and many more. I am always also looking for new
volunteers who would like to do some look ups for people. Please check out
the website. I am sure you will be impressed with it.
Mike
http://www.expage.com/page/genealogylookup

Got this from another list and thought it worth passing on.


The below article is posted in the archives on Genealogy.com

Impossible and Improbable by Donna Przecha

Genealogy thrives as a rewarding hobby because most people in the past lived
orderly lives. We expect them to be born, marry, have children and die, and
that there will be someone to record most of these events somewhere. Usually
this is exactly what happens. All we have to do is find out where these
events were recorded. However, occasionally we come across events that just
do not fit into the orderly scheme of things. Sometimes they seem to be
highly improbable or completely impossible.

Disowned Children

In past times marrying outside the family's religion, race, culture or
social
class was considered by some to be taboo. If children violated this rule,
some families would disown them and even declare them dead. In one case the
parents not only declared the child dead but went so far as to erect a
tombstone with her name and her marriage date as the death date. People who
were mentally ill or physically deformed might be sent off to an asylum or
hospital and the family would act as if they were dead. They might be
recorded in the family Bible as having died, so when you find the individual
in a census you will be thoroughly confused! A daughter might also be
disowned if she became pregnant and was not married or a son cut out of the
family if he ended up in prison. Obituaries were generally provided by the
families, and facts and children who did not suit the image the family
wished
to project could be omitted. If a child was not mentioned in the obituary in
the local hometown paper, it didn't mean the child didn't exist or was
deceased.

Finding disowned children can be very difficult because they often moved a
long way from their original home to a completely different environment.
Someone from Connecticut might move to Idaho or Texas for no apparent
reason.
With more national indexes becoming available, it is easier to locate these
people. Since most census indexes are still on a state-by-state basis, you
almost have to check each state as there is no predicting where they might
have gone.

The names of disowned children might turn up in a will or probate. In a will
the parent might want to mention the child just to be sure he or she is cut
out of the inheritance. If there was no will, all living children would need
to be named in legal documents relating to an inheritance.
    In past times marrying outside the family's religion, race, culture or
social class was considered by some to be taboo. If children violated this
rule, some families would disown them and even declare them dead.

Bigamy

Even in this day of instant communication with cell phones, pagers and the
Internet, you can still pick up the paper and read about a man who was
married to different women and had two different families, each of which was
unknown to the other. (Why a man would want the responsibilities of two
families and keeping them secret is beyond me!) In the past it was so much
easier to acquire two wives, although it was more often serial rather than
concurrent. If a man from Virginia went to California to look for gold, he
might decide after a couple of fruitless years that he didn't want to go
home
and face the ridicule of his family and neighbors. He might decide to just
settle down in California, perhaps open a store or take up farming and marry
a girl he met there. Since he may have stopped writing to his family in
Virginia months ago, he would hardly feel it was necessary to go to all the
trouble and agony of trying to get a divorce. He might even send back an
announcement of his death just to close that chapter of his life.
    Even in this day of instant communication, you can still pick up the
paper
and read about a man who was married to different women and had two
different
families, each of which was unknown to the other.

When a husband disappears, the wife usually goes through the legal process
to
have him declared dead after a certain period of time. You might encounter
the family with the husband in one census and in the next find the wife
listed as a widow. This would lead you to believe he died in the meantime
and
you would look for cemetery records, obituaries, wills and death records. If
he simply disappeared, you will not find any of these and may need to
explore
court records for a legal document declaring him dead. Of course, he may not
really be dead at all.

Name Changes

Many men, especially new immigrants, found it too overwhelming to try to
support a family and just walked off and were never heard from again. They
might even change their names, settle down in a new area and get married
again. This is very difficult to track and document, but one place where
this
could come out is in military pension records. If a man was in the Civil
War,
his first wife would know he was entitled to a pension and would apply for
one when it became obvious he was never coming back, and could be presumed
dead. If he remarried under another name, he might feel enough loyalty to
his
second wife to disclose his military service and the name under which he
enlisted. Once he died and the second wife applied for her pension, both
applications would end up with the same service record.

If you suspect a possible name change, be sure to consult as many legal or
official documents as possible.

If you suspect a possible name change, be sure to consult as many legal or
official documents as possible, such as pension papers, wills,
naturalization
papers or land deeds. Even if a man changed names he might think he had to
include his "also known as" (AKA) name to be sure the transaction was valid,
fearing the original name might come out at some point and nullify the
action.

A woman could create genealogical confusion by not changing her name. If a
woman had a child out of wedlock, she might move to another town, keep her
maiden name but call herself Mrs., claiming she was a widow. Even if people
knew she had never married, a mother would be called Mrs. as a courtesy
because it would be embarrassing to all concerned to suggest that an
unmarried woman had a child.

In African-American research, many people assume that a freed slave would
take the family name of the person who had owned him before emancipation. In
fact, the freed slaves could take any name they liked and many experimented
with several names before settling on one. Siblings might choose different
surnames so it is not obvious to a researcher that they are related. A
parent
might have lived on a different plantation and select a different name from
the child. Many chose names of famous people or people they admired, so the
surname may or may not be significant for the researcher.
    Freed slaves could take any name they liked, so the surname may or may
not
be significant for the researcher.

Duplicate Names

Sometimes a researcher looking through baptism records will find a couple
who
gave the same name to two different children. A look at the burials usually
reveals that the first child with that name died before the second one was
born. In some cases no such death is found. In fact, both children seem to
live, grow up and produce their own records. This can cause the researcher a
bit of confusion and reexamination of the records. For some reason — perhaps
a lack of imagination? — parents will give children almost identical names.
In one family there was a John and a Jonathan, and both lived to adulthood.
Mary and Maria are also possibilities.

Sometimes, especially in German names, the first name would be the same for
all children of the same sex, but the second name would be different. A
family might consist of Johann Georg, Johann Wilhelm, Johann Josef, Anna
Barbara, Anna Maria and Anna Theresa. Needless to say, the children usually
went by their middle names and the children might be known as Georg, Johann,
Josef, Barbara, Anna and Theresa. In later records, they might reverse the
name since the middle name was the one usually used. This means you almost
have to follow the lives of all the brothers to be sure who was really
Johann. Just to confuse matters, Georg and Josef might use their official
first name, Johann, on a record.
    Sometimes, especially in German names, the first name would be the same
for all children of the same sex, but the second name would be different.

Informal Adoptions

Very often in the past, adoptions were very informally arranged. A woman
might have a child that she really couldn't care for, because of health or
financial reasons, while her sister might have wanted a child but was unable
to have one. It might be agreed between the two families that the child
would
be given to the other to raise. No papers were signed or legal documents
filed. Similarly, a foundling might be taken in by a family and simply
raised
as their own.

Wrong Sex

We have all encountered a person being classified as a male in one census
and
a female in another. This frequently happens with unusual names, or names
that can be either sex, and usually it is just an error on the part of the
census taker. However, there have been cases where children have been raised
as if they were the opposite sex. Boys were dressed like girls when they
were
small and a mother who wanted a girl and was unable to have any more
children
might well continue that deception until the child revolted. Sex change
operations were not possible 100 years ago but people could live as if they
were the opposite sex. A woman might be especially tempted to masquerade as
a
man if she wished to be a soldier or a cowboy or follow some equally
masculine occupation. Very recently a well-known band leader died and it was
found that he, even though he was married, was actually a woman and no one
knew.
    We have all encountered a person being classified as a male in one census
and a female in another. This is usually just an error on the part of the
census taker, but alternate explanations are sometimes possible.

Race Change

While following a family back through the census you might find a person who
had always been classified as white, listed as mulatto, meaning a mixture of
white and African ancestry. While we know the census taker often made
mistakes, this might mean there is African-American ancestry in that line.
Appearance played a big part in racial designation and when possible, many
people of mixed ancestry would "pass" for white when they could. The
children
of Sally Hemings are a good example. (Whether or not you believe Thomas
Jefferson was the father, it is generally accepted that the father of the
Hemings children was white.)

Sally herself was 1/4 black, as her father and maternal grandfather were
both
white. Her children were only 1/8 black. They all drifted off, with or
without permission, and settled elsewhere. Eston at first settled in Ohio
and
in 1852 moved to Wisconsin where he changed his name from Hemings to
Jefferson and his race to white. Eston's descendants did not even know of
their black ancestry. Beverly (a son) and Harriet apparently disappeared
into
white society. Thomas became a minister in the African Methodist church and
Madison stayed in the black community.

Many people, especially in the south, have both white and black ancestry.
Given the conditions and disadvantages under which blacks, even free ones,
had to live, it made sense to be classified as white if at all possible. It
made their lives and the lives of their families much easier.
    Many people, especially in the south, have both white and black ancestry.
Given the conditions and disadvantages under which blacks, even free ones,
had to live, many people of mixed ancestry would "pass" for white when they
could.

Facing the Impossible

I would not encourage anyone to look for any of these extreme situations in
his or her own family research, but if the impossible or the improbable
appears, keep an open mind. If you come across one of these situations, this
line may be truncated. Even if you do manage to work around it, it will take
much research and documentation to gather enough evidence to prove what
really happened. However, if you do manage to piece the whole story
together,
it will probably be the highlight of your family history!

Cheers from the Eastern Shores of the Chesapeake Bay, Mike Johnson

Searching:
M: Collins, Nicholson, Stokes, Ives, Hartsfield, Fitzpatrick, Cullen,
Willis, Bartlett, Deeton, Lyles, Adams, Etheridge, Venters.
F: Johnson, Martin, Inderwood, Worden, Barnett, Taylor, Wilcox, Palmer,
Farrar, Royall, Strode, Heath, Mendenhall, Winslow.
M-i-L: Ritchie, Jones, Bond, Ringley, Dingus, Addington,  Dotson, Bedsaul,
Carrico, Hillman, Cox, Hutchinson, Cromwell, Edwards.
F-i-L: Stone, Roe, Wood, Redford, Taylor, Sledd, Jenkins

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please keep in mind that these articles are copyrighted to Genealogy.com
and the author, Donna Przecha, and should not be reproduced in any
form - including email.  The copyright is located at the bottom of the
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The best way to share such interesting information with list readers is
to simply include the name of the article along with the URL. You can
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----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Johnson <breadman@...>
To: <genpcfr@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 7:50 PM
Subject: [genpcfr] Impossible and ImprobableL


> Got this from another list and thought it worth passing on.
>
>
> The below article is posted in the archives on Genealogy.com
>
> Impossible and Improbable by Donna Przecha

Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 23:56:43 -0500
To: genpcfr@egroups.com
From: Jewelle Baker <jewelle@...>
Cc: "Carol P. Martoccia" <carolmartoccia@...>, Turn1104@..., CATAULAVIC@...,
 NCLENOIR-L@...
Subject: [genpcfr] 1890 CENSUS Gleaned information

>From: LROGERS15@...
>Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 21:27:55 EST
>Subject: 1890 CENSUS
>
>This was past on to me today and I thought I would do the same, pass it on.
>Louise
>
>The following letter was forwarded to me via one of my genealogy lists. If
>any
>of you had ancestors living in the USA in 1890, you might consider submitting
>your information to this project. Copies will be submitted to the Library of
>Congress and the LDS FHL.
>
>Thanks,
>Patrisia, Rootsweb Sponsor
>
>
>
>As you know, 99% of the 1890 census was destroyed by fire. There is a
project
>to publish a book listing all U.S. residents living at that time.
>This information will be furnished by descendants of those people. There is
>no
>charge for listing your ancestors and when permission is granted,
contributors
>will be listed with the proper reference to their ancestor entries.
>Submission
>deadline is April 2000. The data will be
>published and sold at cost with copies going to the Library of Congress,
Maine
>State Library, Maine State Historical Society and the Church of Jesus Christ
>of
>Latter-day Saints Library.
>
>For submitting your ancestor's vital stats please use the following format:
>Head of Household-full name, age, date of birth, place of birth (include
>town-county-state), sex, race (W=white, C=colored, I=Indian, A=Asian).
>Spouse-full name, maiden name in ( )'s, age, date of birth, sex, race.
>Information source-list family Bible, family genealogy book, etc. Notes are
>optional. Some notes will be added, e.g., 1st or 2nd wife, children by which
>wife, if they died or got married in 1890 or additional surname spellings.
>
>NOTE: person who died before 1890 or was born after 1890 will be omitted from
>the book.
>
>Send your submission via Email to:<chinaDoll2@...>
>or mail to
>Angela M. Foster
>P.O.Box 2551
>Waterville, ME 04903.
>Contributions are most welcome.

It says the deadline for this was April 2000.  Has that been
extended?

JO ROBERSON Prytherch

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From:            Jewelle Baker <jewelle@...>
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This is worth repeating ... a reminder to our old and new members:

>Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 23:56:43 -0500
>To: genpcfr@egroups.com
>From: Jewelle Baker <jewelle@...>
>Cc: "Carol P. Martoccia" <carolmartoccia@...>,
>Turn1104@..., CATAULAVIC@...,
>  NCLENOIR-L@...
>Subject: [genpcfr] 1890 CENSUS Gleaned information
>
> >From: LROGERS15@...
> >Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 21:27:55 EST
> >Subject: 1890 CENSUS
> >
> >This was past on to me today and I thought I would do the same, pass it
> >on. Louise
> >
> >The following letter was forwarded to me via one of my genealogy lists.
> >If any of you had ancestors living in the USA in 1890, you might
> >consider
> submitting
> >your information to this project. Copies will be submitted to the
> Library of
> >Congress and the LDS FHL.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Patrisia, Rootsweb Sponsor
> >
> >
> >
> >As you know, 99% of the 1890 census was destroyed by fire. There is a
>project
> >to publish a book listing all U.S. residents living at that time.
> >This information will be furnished by descendants of those people.
> >There is no charge for listing your ancestors and when permission is
> >granted,
>contributors
> >will be listed with the proper reference to their ancestor entries.
> >Submission deadline is April 2000. The data will be published and sold
> >at cost with copies going to the Library of Congress,
>Maine
> >State Library, Maine State Historical Society and the Church of Jesus
> Christ
> >of
> >Latter-day Saints Library.
> >
> >For submitting your ancestor's vital stats please use the following
> >format: Head of Household-full name, age, date of birth, place of birth
> >(include town-county-state), sex, race (W=white, C=colored, I=Indian,
> >A=Asian). Spouse-full name, maiden name in ( )'s, age, date of birth,
> >sex, race. Information source-list family Bible, family genealogy book,
> >etc. Notes are optional. Some notes will be added, e.g., 1st or 2nd
> >wife, children by
> which
> >wife, if they died or got married in 1890 or additional surname
> >spellings.
> >
> >NOTE: person who died before 1890 or was born after 1890 will be
> >omitted
> from
> >the book.
> >
> >Send your submission via Email to:<chinaDoll2@...>
> >or mail to
> >Angela M. Foster
> >P.O.Box 2551
> >Waterville, ME 04903.
> >Contributions are most welcome.

It says the deadline for this was April 2000. Has that been
extended?
JO ROBERSON Prytherch

Sue,

In the 1860 and 1870 Greene Co. censuses, there is a big family of Tysons
that I'm descended from.  I actually have Tysons on both sides of my
father's family.  In this big family, there are men and women of
childbearing age listed.  The info about this family is incorrect, even on
my web site.  Thomas and Rachel Tyson had many of the people listed, but
some of the women are daughters-in-law and some of the kids are their kids.
I don't know what the maiden names for these women were.  I am descended
from Frances Tyson who was the mother of William Tyson and Mary Lula Tyson.
I don't know what her maiden name was.  Her husband was probably one of the
Tyson men listed, Moses or Joel, one of those.  Thanks for the tip about the
Foreman name and let's keep in touch.  I'll try to check some of my sources
in the next few days.

Paula Anne Baker
paulabaker69@...
Researching BAKER, MANNING, TYSON, STOCKS AND OTHERS in Pitt County NC and
Greene County NC
and COLE, NORMAN, WHITE, SUTTON AND OTHERS in SC, GA, and LA
http://www.geocities.com/athens/troy/9883


From: SueEstep@...
To: paulabaker69@...
Subject: Tysons
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 22:13:35 EDT

Hi Paula,
I have been working the Pitt Co. deeds and see the Tisons mentioned in with
the Foremans alot.  Do you know if any of the Tisons married a Foreman?  I
am
trying to find that needle in the haystack, hope you understand. :-)



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Hi Everyone :-)

I thought some of you might be interested in a very special genealogy
lecture that is taking place on my site tonight from 8pm - 10pm Eastern
time.

Nationally known lecturer and award-winning author John Humphrey will be
speaking about Life in Mid-18th century PA.  This impacts many of us
with ancestors in NC, because many of our ancestors immigrated to this
country through Pennsylvania in the 1700s and then moved on to the
southern states.

John's lecture text is online for reading prior to the lecture.  During
the chat itself he will make a few remarks regarding his material, but
will primarily be answering questions :-)

You can find the lecture text and learn about the instructions for the
virtual lecture itself right here.  If you do plan to attend, please
familiarize yourself with the chat instructions first :-)

http://genealogy.about.com/library/blvirtualgenealogy.htm

Hope to see some of you there!

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I have documented three cemeteries, some which have been documented before
(unfortunately sometimes with errors) that I would be happy to add to your
effort.  The Cemeteries are Grimesland, Avon, and the Laughinghouse Cemetery
on the old Oaklands Plantation owned by the Laughinghouse family.  I have
photo proof of each headstone.  Avon contains one problem in that some have
stated that James O'K. Williams is buried there, and I have yet to find his
gravestone.  Anyway, all these cemeteries are currently on the PCFR site in
Greenville, NC  (genpcfr@egroups.com) if you want to look at them.  The
information is on both a Word Perfect file and a MS Access file.  Let me
know.  John B. Grimes

Hi,
If you should find any Parramore/ Paramore graves please let me know.
Addie

JGrimes227@... wrote:
>
> I have documented three cemeteries, some which have been documented before
> (unfortunately sometimes with errors) that I would be happy to add to your
> effort.  The Cemeteries are Grimesland, Avon, and the Laughinghouse Cemetery
> on the old Oaklands Plantation owned by the Laughinghouse family.  I have
> photo proof of each headstone.  Avon contains one problem in that some have
> stated that James O'K. Williams is buried there, and I have yet to find his
> gravestone.  Anyway, all these cemeteries are currently on the PCFR site in
> Greenville, NC  (genpcfr@egroups.com) if you want to look at them.  The
> information is on both a Word Perfect file and a MS Access file.  Let me
> know.  John B. Grimes
>
>
> Excellent genealogy resourses available at PITT COUNTY FAMILY RESEARCHERS
website.  Suggest you BookMark it! Visit:
>       http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncpcfr/
>
> Mark your calendar's for PCFR's 4th Annual Meeting and REUNION 6th & 7th Oct
2000.  See:
>
http://www.FamilyReunion.com/cgi/calendar.cgi?ref=email&keywords=jewelle@coastal\
net.com

Can anyone tell me about this couple married abt. 1852 in Pitt County?  I
know they had a slew of children.  Blaney lived to be very old, over 100.
They had a William and a Lydia.  Related to anyone?


Paula Anne Baker
paulabaker69@...
Researching BAKER, MANNING, TYSON, STOCKS AND OTHERS in Pitt County NC and
Greene County NC
and COLE, NORMAN, WHITE, SUTTON AND OTHERS in SC, GA, and LA
http://www.geocities.com/athens/troy/9883

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Would your question about the Paramores/Paramours be the same family of
Paramores/Paramours (Howell and W.B.) that hired William Parker to murder
Bryan Grimes in 1880?  Howell Paramore killed himself in a hotel room in
Cheraw, Chesterfield Co., SC on 15 May 1881 and is probably buried there.

There are Paramores buried at the Phillips Cemetery on Highway 43 between
Greenville and Vanceboro.  It is right across the street from the Vanceboro
Church of God.  It was a church cemetery at one time but the church burned
down.  It is not affiliated with the Church of God, I am just giving this to
you as a reference point.

Calvin Oscar Paramore, born 2-5-1881, died 10-1-1938 married my great great
Aunt Josephine Powell (Paramore), born 11-23-1876, died 3-6-1967.  Their son
Floyd Paramore, born 4-8-1904, died 5-3-1904.  Their daughter Edna Earl
Paramore (Phillips) born 8-3-1912, died 2-13-1977 married Alton Wyman
Phillips, born 8-20-1906, died 8-14-1985.  Edna and Alton's daughter Sandra
Kay Phillips, born 5-19-1945, died 1996.  These are all in the Phillips
Cemetery.

Calvin Oscar had a son Lee Roy Paramore, born 6-4-1896, died 6-6-1966 who
married Betsy Leeson (Paramore) born 8-1-1902, died 4-7-1986.  They are
buried in the mausoleum at Raleigh Memorial Gardens on Highway 70 West just
outside the Raleigh City Limits.  Lee Roy was a noted stateman and
ambassador to several countries before he died.  He has two remaining
daughters and several grandchildren.

I do not know how these Paramores relate to the ones John Grimes refers to,
but these seem to have had a better reputation.  Since they are related to
me and I sincerely care for John Grimes and his historical ancestors, I hope
these are not directly related.

I just thought you might like to know where they are in case they fit into
your tree.  I have more information on them if you are related.

Arlene (Wills)
awills@...
1112 Manchester Drive
Raleigh, North Carolina 27609-5155
919/781-3625

Researching Downs/Edwards/Sutton/Chapman/Gatlin/Powell/Adams etc.

Hi,
Thank you so much, I appreciate the information.
Addie

Art/Arlene Wills wrote:
>
> There are Paramores buried at the Phillips Cemetery on Highway 43 between
> Greenville and Vanceboro.  It is right across the street from the Vanceboro
> Church of God.  It was a church cemetery at one time but the church burned
> down.  It is not affiliated with the Church of God, I am just giving this to
> you as a reference point.
>
> Calvin Oscar Paramore, born 2-5-1881, died 10-1-1938 married my great great
> Aunt Josephine Powell (Paramore), born 11-23-1876, died 3-6-1967.  Their son
> Floyd Paramore, born 4-8-1904, died 5-3-1904.  Their daughter Edna Earl
> Paramore (Phillips) born 8-3-1912, died 2-13-1977 married Alton Wyman
> Phillips, born 8-20-1906, died 8-14-1985.  Edna and Alton's daughter Sandra
> Kay Phillips, born 5-19-1945, died 1996.  These are all in the Phillips
> Cemetery.
>
> Calvin Oscar had a son Lee Roy Paramore, born 6-4-1896, died 6-6-1966 who
> married Betsy Leeson (Paramore) born 8-1-1902, died 4-7-1986.  They are
> buried in the mausoleum at Raleigh Memorial Gardens on Highway 70 West just
> outside the Raleigh City Limits.  Lee Roy was a noted stateman and
> ambassador to several countries before he died.  He has two remaining
> daughters and several grandchildren.
>
> I do not know how these Paramores relate to the ones John Grimes refers to,
> but these seem to have had a better reputation.  Since they are related to
> me and I sincerely care for John Grimes and his historical ancestors, I hope
> these are not directly related.
>
> I just thought you might like to know where they are in case they fit into
> your tree.  I have more information on them if you are related.
>
> Arlene (Wills)
> awills@...
> 1112 Manchester Drive
> Raleigh, North Carolina 27609-5155
> 919/781-3625
>
> Researching Downs/Edwards/Sutton/Chapman/Gatlin/Powell/Adams etc.
>
>
> Excellent genealogy resourses available at PITT COUNTY FAMILY RESEARCHERS
website.  Suggest you BookMark it! Visit:
>       http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncpcfr/
>
> Mark your calendar's for PCFR's 4th Annual Meeting and REUNION 6th & 7th Oct
2000.  See:
>
http://www.FamilyReunion.com/cgi/calendar.cgi?ref=email&keywords=jewelle@coastal\
net.com

Hi,
Thank you for the information. Do you happen to have any information on
th Paramore.s
who were in NC in the 1700's I am trying to find enough information to
put the families together.
Addie

Art/Arlene Wills wrote:
>
> There are Paramores buried at the Phillips Cemetery on Highway 43 between
> Greenville and Vanceboro.  It is right across the street from the Vanceboro
> Church of God.  It was a church cemetery at one time but the church burned
> down.  It is not affiliated with the Church of God, I am just giving this to
> you as a reference point.
>
> Calvin Oscar Paramore, born 2-5-1881, died 10-1-1938 married my great great
> Aunt Josephine Powell (Paramore), born 11-23-1876, died 3-6-1967.  Their son
> Floyd Paramore, born 4-8-1904, died 5-3-1904.  Their daughter Edna Earl
> Paramore (Phillips) born 8-3-1912, died 2-13-1977 married Alton Wyman
> Phillips, born 8-20-1906, died 8-14-1985.  Edna and Alton's daughter Sandra
> Kay Phillips, born 5-19-1945, died 1996.  These are all in the Phillips
> Cemetery.
>
> Calvin Oscar had a son Lee Roy Paramore, born 6-4-1896, died 6-6-1966 who
> married Betsy Leeson (Paramore) born 8-1-1902, died 4-7-1986.  They are
> buried in the mausoleum at Raleigh Memorial Gardens on Highway 70 West just
> outside the Raleigh City Limits.  Lee Roy was a noted stateman and
> ambassador to several countries before he died.  He has two remaining
> daughters and several grandchildren.
>
> I do not know how these Paramores relate to the ones John Grimes refers to,
> but these seem to have had a better reputation.  Since they are related to
> me and I sincerely care for John Grimes and his historical ancestors, I hope
> these are not directly related.
>
> I just thought you might like to know where they are in case they fit into
> your tree.  I have more information on them if you are related.
>
> Arlene (Wills)
> awills@...
> 1112 Manchester Drive
> Raleigh, North Carolina 27609-5155
> 919/781-3625
>
> Researching Downs/Edwards/Sutton/Chapman/Gatlin/Powell/Adams etc.
>
>
> Excellent genealogy resourses available at PITT COUNTY FAMILY RESEARCHERS
website.  Suggest you BookMark it! Visit:
>       http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncpcfr/
>
> Mark your calendar's for PCFR's 4th Annual Meeting and REUNION 6th & 7th Oct
2000.  See:
>
http://www.FamilyReunion.com/cgi/calendar.cgi?ref=email&keywords=jewelle@coastal\
net.com

Dear Addie, Sorry, my info does not go back that far.  Arlene

-----Original Message-----
From: Addie Howell <aph1@...>
To: genpcfr@egroups.com <genpcfr@egroups.com>
Date: Friday, September 29, 2000 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: [genpcfr] Paramores - for Addie Howell


>Hi,
>Thank you for the information. Do you happen to have any information on
>th Paramore.s
>who were in NC in the 1700's I am trying to find enough information to
>put the families together.
>Addie

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