I have not heard about the 4 stages of a man's life related to Santa.  Please
tell
suzanne

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Bob Forbes
   To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 7:25 AM
   Subject: [genpcncfir] Catherine's paper on Tuscarora Indians - New file
uploaded to genpcncfir


   I wanted to bring to this group's attention, for those who have not seen it
already, an excellent paper that Catherine wrote on the history of the Tuscarora
Indians in N. Carolina. She uploaded it onto the group's Yahoo website and you
can access this file at the URL:

  
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/genpcncfir/files/amh2010%20Tuscarora%20Indians-a%2\
0history.doc

   The paper is pretty enlightening and really worth a read, but you need to give
yourself about a half hour to absorb and appreciate it. Her paper showed up
around Thanksgiving and I've been meaning to send this note ever since, but got
caught up in the typical demands of this season... (BTW, anybody heard about the
4 stages of a man's life related to Santa?... let me know if not...)

   Also at about the same time that Catherine's article showed up, I saw another
good article about a Pitt County man who recently discovered his American Indian
heritage, and have pasted it below my sign-off... I like it because it reminds
me once again of why we take the time and trouble to "dig up our roots".....

   Bob Forbes
   bforbes@...

   Local American Indian discovers roots

   By Corey G. Johnson
   The Daily Reflector

   Thursday, November 23, 2006

   In 1991, Connie Glast - inspired by the television movie "Roots" - decided to
find out if he had American Indian heritage. As a child, he had heard whispers
of a possible link, but his great-grandmother refused to discuss it.

   Years later, when the 64-year-old Greenville resident and father of two
embarked on his own journey to get answers, he received a different kind of
resistance.

   Rhett Butler/The Daily Reflector
   (ENLARGE)
   CONNIE GLAST holds the award he received at his home on Wednesday. The gesture
affirmed Glast's belief in civic service.

   "One woman who was over this cultural center simply walked away when I asked
her for help," Glast said. "All she could say was 'everybody who walks in the
door is not an Indian.'"

   Glast was undeterred.

   He visited the state archives in Raleigh. He poured over dusty courthouse
records. He interviewed more than 50 people, old and young, skeptical and
helpful.

   Seven years later, after learning that an American Indian great-great-
grandfather fought in the Revolutionary War out of New Bern, the state accepted
his brother Eddie and him as members of the Coharie Tribe.

   His determination was finally rewarded.

   "If you got a goal, you don't let anything deter you," said Glast, who retired
in 2004 after 30 years at NAACO Materials Handling Group as a quality assurance
inspector. "Everyone should know where they come from so they can know where
they're going."

   According to the Coharie Intra-Tribal Council, Inc., the Coharie Indian Tribe
is centered in Harnett and Sampson counties. Tribal members descend from the
aboriginal tribe of the Neusiok Indians.

   As part of Native American Month in November, Glast - who also goes by the
name Gray Wolf - and other American Indian friends this week played drums and
danced for students and teachers at D.H. Conley High School.

   The ceremony was an important act of remembering, Glast said.

   "I do everything I can to keep reminding young people about Native American
culture," Glast said. "We can't forget, because if we do they will disappear."

   Glast added that despite atrocities against Native Americans throughout
history, Thanksgiving is a positive time.

   "Yes, it is a sad time and we've had some bad times in history," Glast said.
"But that's history, and we're trying to get above that. For me, it is more a
time of thanking the Creator for what he has done and what he brought us
through."

   Others are beginning to recognize Glast's faithfulness to heritage.

   When Glast traveled to a Coharie tribal meeting in Clinton this month to
donate more than 60 custom-made yellow, blue, red and gray T-shirts, he was
surprised with an award for his dedication to the group.

   "I was really knocked off my feet," Glast said.

   "No one has ever given me a plaque for anything."

   The gesture affirmed Glast's belief in civic service.

   "I tell people, 'May the work you've done speak for you.'"

   Corey G. Johnson can be reached at cjohnson@... or 329-9565.

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Does anyone have a information on locating or obtaining Pitt Cty Orphan
Records ? We are looking for information about orphans placed in the
Oxford Orphanage in Granville  from 1875 to 1900.  Has anyone had to
interface with this Orphanage for their ancestors ?  Were there any Pitt
Cty records that recorded the events ?

Thanks
Gary Molan

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In reply to:

"I have not heard about the 4 stages of a man's life related to Santa.
Please tell.
suzanne"

OK, well, there are really only 4 stages to a man's life, and all of them
seem to revolve around Christmas:

Stage 1 - He BELIEVES in Santa Claus :-)

Stage 2 - He NO LONGER BELIEVES in Santa :-(

Stage 3 - He realizes he IS Santa <;-)>

Stage 4 - He looks MORE & MORE LIKE Santa every year <:-)>>>

I believe I'm somewhere between Stages 3 and 4....

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This is a "newer" list than the one you are looking.  From the 66th Annual
Report of the Oxford Orphanage, Year ending 1938:

Children from Pitt County:

Louise Jones
Sudie Jones
Pearl Jones
Billy Todd
Elizabeth Wainwright
Lizzie Wainwright

This list came from a UNC Library website........Judy


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thanks!!!  I enjoyed that and see where my hubby fits in (stage 4) <g>
suzanne


   ----- Original Message -----
   From: bforbes@...
   To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 4:17 PM
   Subject: [genpcncfir] A man's Christmas passages....


   In reply to:

   "I have not heard about the 4 stages of a man's life related to Santa.
   Please tell.
   suzanne"

   OK, well, there are really only 4 stages to a man's life, and all of them
   seem to revolve around Christmas:

   Stage 1 - He BELIEVES in Santa Claus :-)

   Stage 2 - He NO LONGER BELIEVES in Santa :-(

   Stage 3 - He realizes he IS Santa <;-)>

   Stage 4 - He looks MORE & MORE LIKE Santa every year <:-)>>>

   I believe I'm somewhere between Stages 3 and 4....

   bforbes@...

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Jeremiah Nichols may have been in the Spanish-American War  with Cuba.  My
husband said it was around 1998 or 1905.  They wore fannel not having good
uniforms.


----- Original Message ----
From: John Nichols <johncn@...>
To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2006 2:18:31 PM
Subject: RE: [genpcncfir] nichols, perdue or perdew


Thank you for replying, I found my Thomas Perdew, but being here in
Michigan, I am trying to find a was to find a death Certificate for William
Thomas Perdew that was married to Lela Letchworth.  I am thinking he was
born in about 1897.  I have his name on my grandmother's birth certificate
as being her father.  I do know that according to the 1910 census, I think
my Thomas Perdew was born in about 1843. Note thet William Thomas Perdew is
the son of Thomas Perdew. I am trying to find death or birth records for
both of them. I am not sure when either of them died.

john
   -----Original Message-----
   From: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com [mailto:genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Carol Singh
   Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 6:36 PM
   To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: RE: [genpcncfir] nichols, perdue or perdew


   Dear John,
   The Civil War ended around 1865, if I remember
   correctly. As for fatherhood, there really is no
   particular age beyond which a man can father children
   as there is for women bearing children.
   In fact, many men become fathers in their 50's or
   even older. One of my professors here at J. Sargeant
   Reynolds is retired and has an infant son.
   Another older father is David Letterman, the
   comedian. He, too, is the father of an infant son.
   Letterman is also in his 60's.
   I have read of men decades older fathering
   children. The oldest I know of personally was 71 years
   old.
   Later, Carol
   --- John Nichols <johncn@...> wrote:

   > I just looked up my Kate Perdew (grandmother) birth
   > certificate and it shows
   > her father William Thomas Perdew being born I think
   > 1897, so he would be to
   > young to be in the civil war, but I wonder if the
   > Thomas Perdew that is from
   > Falling creek is the father of my William Thomas
   > Perdew? That would made
   > that Perdew 51 years old when my William Thomas
   > Perdew was born. Thoughts?
   > Kate Perdew birth cert. states her being born
   > Falling Creek Township, Lenior
   > County. Also, Kate had a sister named Bela, a
   > brother named Thomas, I think
   > this is the same line. I am not sure what year the
   > civil war ended, but it
   > may be possible that this is the same Thomas that
   > was in the civil war. I am
   > looking at the names on the 1880 census, I would
   > welcome any info.
   >
   > John
   > -----Original Message-----
   > From: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
   > [mailto:genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com]On
   > Behalf Of Louise
   > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 5:42 AM
   > To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
   > Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] nichols, perdue or
   > perdew
   >
   >
   > Hi John,
   >
   > Is Thomas Perdew Kate's father or grandfather?
   > Here are four Thomas in the
   > census of 1880. I figure one will be the one you
   > want.
   >
   > 1880 Falling Creek, Lenoir, North Carolina
   > Thomas PERDEW Self M Male W 34 NC Farmer NC NC
   > Sallie PERDEW Wife M Female W 30 NC Keeps House NC
   > NC
   > Bela PERDEW Dau S Female W 9 NC NC NC
   > James PERDEW Son S Male W 5 NC NC NC
   >
   > 1880 Louisburg, Franklin, North Carolina
   > Thos. Y. PERDUE Self M Male W 31 NC Farmer NC NC
   > Cathrine W. PERDUE Wife M Female W 31 NC Keeps
   > House NC NC
   > Alonzo PERDUE Son S Male W 5 NC NC NC
   > Clifton PERDUE Son S Male W 3 NC NC NC
   > Ella PERDUE Dau S Female W 10M NC NC NC
   > Walter J. HAWKS Son S Male W 11 NC At Home NC NC
   > Richard JOHNSON Other Male B 15 NC Plow Boy NC NC
   >
   > 1880 Hollow, Bladen, North Carolina
   > J. W. PURDIE Self M Male W 52 NC Farming NC NC
   > Sarah PURDIE Wife M Female W 35 NC Keeping House
   > NC NC
   > Thomas J. PURDIE Son S Male W 7 NC NC NC
   > J. Westley PURDIE Son S Male W 5 NC NC NC
   > Sallie PURDIE Dau S Female W 4 NC NC NC
   > Edward PURDIE Son S Male W 8M NC NC NC
   >
   > 1880 Raleigh, Wake, North Carolina
   > Wm. PERDEW Self M Male W 60 NC NC NC
   > Sophia PERDEW Wife M Female W 55 NC NC NC
   > Beckie PERDEW Dau S Female W 31 NC NC NC
   > Emerline PERDEW Dau S Female W 25 NC NC NC
   > Sam PERDEW Son S Male W 31 NC NC NC
   > Luesa PERDEW Dau S Female W 23 NC NC NC
   > Tom H. PERDEW Son S Male W 21 NC NC NC
   >
   >
   >
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Thank you for responding,
I have since found out that my great great grandad along with his brother
and their father Thomas, Joshua, and dad William Perdew all served in the
27th regiment company c in the civil war. Thomas was wounded and received a
civil war pension. I am using family tree maker 9.0 and was wondering how i
can upload it to our site?

this is exciting
john nichols
   -----Original Message-----
   From: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com [mailto:genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Louise
   Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 8:29 PM
   To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] nichols, perdue or perdew


   Jeremiah Nichols may have been in the Spanish-American War with Cuba. My
husband said it was around 1998 or 1905. They wore fannel not having good
uniforms.

   ----- Original Message ----
   From: John Nichols <johncn@...>
   To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2006 2:18:31 PM
   Subject: RE: [genpcncfir] nichols, perdue or perdew

   Thank you for replying, I found my Thomas Perdew, but being here in
   Michigan, I am trying to find a was to find a death Certificate for
William
   Thomas Perdew that was married to Lela Letchworth. I am thinking he was
   born in about 1897. I have his name on my grandmother's birth certificate
   as being her father. I do know that according to the 1910 census, I think
   my Thomas Perdew was born in about 1843. Note thet William Thomas Perdew
is
   the son of Thomas Perdew. I am trying to find death or birth records for
   both of them. I am not sure when either of them died.

   john
   -----Original Message-----
   From: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com [mailto:genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com]On
   Behalf Of Carol Singh
   Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 6:36 PM
   To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: RE: [genpcncfir] nichols, perdue or perdew

   Dear John,
   The Civil War ended around 1865, if I remember
   correctly. As for fatherhood, there really is no
   particular age beyond which a man can father children
   as there is for women bearing children.
   In fact, many men become fathers in their 50's or
   even older. One of my professors here at J. Sargeant
   Reynolds is retired and has an infant son.
   Another older father is David Letterman, the
   comedian. He, too, is the father of an infant son.
   Letterman is also in his 60's.
   I have read of men decades older fathering
   children. The oldest I know of personally was 71 years
   old.
   Later, Carol
   --- John Nichols <johncn@...> wrote:

   > I just looked up my Kate Perdew (grandmother) birth
   > certificate and it shows
   > her father William Thomas Perdew being born I think
   > 1897, so he would be to
   > young to be in the civil war, but I wonder if the
   > Thomas Perdew that is from
   > Falling creek is the father of my William Thomas
   > Perdew? That would made
   > that Perdew 51 years old when my William Thomas
   > Perdew was born. Thoughts?
   > Kate Perdew birth cert. states her being born
   > Falling Creek Township, Lenior
   > County. Also, Kate had a sister named Bela, a
   > brother named Thomas, I think
   > this is the same line. I am not sure what year the
   > civil war ended, but it
   > may be possible that this is the same Thomas that
   > was in the civil war. I am
   > looking at the names on the 1880 census, I would
   > welcome any info.
   >
   > John
   > -----Original Message-----
   > From: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
   > [mailto:genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com]On
   > Behalf Of Louise
   > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 5:42 AM
   > To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
   > Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] nichols, perdue or
   > perdew
   >
   >
   > Hi John,
   >
   > Is Thomas Perdew Kate's father or grandfather?
   > Here are four Thomas in the
   > census of 1880. I figure one will be the one you
   > want.
   >
   > 1880 Falling Creek, Lenoir, North Carolina
   > Thomas PERDEW Self M Male W 34 NC Farmer NC NC
   > Sallie PERDEW Wife M Female W 30 NC Keeps House NC
   > NC
   > Bela PERDEW Dau S Female W 9 NC NC NC
   > James PERDEW Son S Male W 5 NC NC NC
   >
   > 1880 Louisburg, Franklin, North Carolina
   > Thos. Y. PERDUE Self M Male W 31 NC Farmer NC NC
   > Cathrine W. PERDUE Wife M Female W 31 NC Keeps
   > House NC NC
   > Alonzo PERDUE Son S Male W 5 NC NC NC
   > Clifton PERDUE Son S Male W 3 NC NC NC
   > Ella PERDUE Dau S Female W 10M NC NC NC
   > Walter J. HAWKS Son S Male W 11 NC At Home NC NC
   > Richard JOHNSON Other Male B 15 NC Plow Boy NC NC
   >
   > 1880 Hollow, Bladen, North Carolina
   > J. W. PURDIE Self M Male W 52 NC Farming NC NC
   > Sarah PURDIE Wife M Female W 35 NC Keeping House
   > NC NC
   > Thomas J. PURDIE Son S Male W 7 NC NC NC
   > J. Westley PURDIE Son S Male W 5 NC NC NC
   > Sallie PURDIE Dau S Female W 4 NC NC NC
   > Edward PURDIE Son S Male W 8M NC NC NC
   >
   > 1880 Raleigh, Wake, North Carolina
   > Wm. PERDEW Self M Male W 60 NC NC NC
   > Sophia PERDEW Wife M Female W 55 NC NC NC
   > Beckie PERDEW Dau S Female W 31 NC NC NC
   > Emerline PERDEW Dau S Female W 25 NC NC NC
   > Sam PERDEW Son S Male W 31 NC NC NC
   > Luesa PERDEW Dau S Female W 23 NC NC NC
   > Tom H. PERDEW Son S Male W 21 NC NC NC
   >
   >
   >
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Glad to have you back Lisa,  I've missed you!  Hope your job is going well,
though.   I can't wait to see your updated page.  I am related to Jacksons from
my G Grandmother Beulah Evans Kittrell, her mother was Mary Eliza Jackson,
daughter of Jesse S Jackson and Eliza Rountree Reid.  I haven't started
researching the Jacksons yet, but they are on my near future do list.

Beulah Alice Evans, daughter of Amos Evans and Mary Eliza Jackson.  Beulah was
born 1868 and died 1923.
Doni

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I don't know how to upload it either.  Maybe someone could help us with it. 
Louise


----- Original Message ----
From: John Nichols <johncn@...>
To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 8, 2006 5:48:05 PM
Subject: RE: [genpcncfir] nichols, perdue or perdew


Thank you for responding,
I have since found out that my great great grandad along with his brother
and their father Thomas, Joshua, and dad William Perdew all served in the
27th regiment company c in the civil war. Thomas was wounded and received a
civil war pension. I am using family tree maker 9.0 and was wondering how i
can upload it to our site?

this is exciting
john nichols
   -----Original Message-----
   From: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com [mailto:genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Louise
   Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 8:29 PM
   To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] nichols, perdue or perdew


   Jeremiah Nichols may have been in the Spanish-American War with Cuba. My
husband said it was around 1998 or 1905. They wore fannel not having good
uniforms.

   ----- Original Message ----
   From: John Nichols <johncn@...>
   To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2006 2:18:31 PM
   Subject: RE: [genpcncfir] nichols, perdue or perdew

   Thank you for replying, I found my Thomas Perdew, but being here in
   Michigan, I am trying to find a was to find a death Certificate for
William
   Thomas Perdew that was married to Lela Letchworth. I am thinking he was
   born in about 1897. I have his name on my grandmother's birth certificate
   as being her father. I do know that according to the 1910 census, I think
   my Thomas Perdew was born in about 1843. Note thet William Thomas Perdew
is
   the son of Thomas Perdew. I am trying to find death or birth records for
   both of them. I am not sure when either of them died.

   john
   -----Original Message-----
   From: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com [mailto:genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com]On
   Behalf Of Carol Singh
   Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 6:36 PM
   To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: RE: [genpcncfir] nichols, perdue or perdew

   Dear John,
   The Civil War ended around 1865, if I remember
   correctly. As for fatherhood, there really is no
   particular age beyond which a man can father children
   as there is for women bearing children.
   In fact, many men become fathers in their 50's or
   even older. One of my professors here at J. Sargeant
   Reynolds is retired and has an infant son.
   Another older father is David Letterman, the
   comedian. He, too, is the father of an infant son.
   Letterman is also in his 60's.
   I have read of men decades older fathering
   children. The oldest I know of personally was 71 years
   old.
   Later, Carol
   --- John Nichols <johncn@...> wrote:

   > I just looked up my Kate Perdew (grandmother) birth
   > certificate and it shows
   > her father William Thomas Perdew being born I think
   > 1897, so he would be to
   > young to be in the civil war, but I wonder if the
   > Thomas Perdew that is from
   > Falling creek is the father of my William Thomas
   > Perdew? That would made
   > that Perdew 51 years old when my William Thomas
   > Perdew was born. Thoughts?
   > Kate Perdew birth cert. states her being born
   > Falling Creek Township, Lenior
   > County. Also, Kate had a sister named Bela, a
   > brother named Thomas, I think
   > this is the same line. I am not sure what year the
   > civil war ended, but it
   > may be possible that this is the same Thomas that
   > was in the civil war. I am
   > looking at the names on the 1880 census, I would
   > welcome any info.
   >
   > John
   > -----Original Message-----
   > From: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
   > [mailto:genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com]On
   > Behalf Of Louise
   > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 5:42 AM
   > To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
   > Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] nichols, perdue or
   > perdew
   >
   >
   > Hi John,
   >
   > Is Thomas Perdew Kate's father or grandfather?
   > Here are four Thomas in the
   > census of 1880. I figure one will be the one you
   > want.
   >
   > 1880 Falling Creek, Lenoir, North Carolina
   > Thomas PERDEW Self M Male W 34 NC Farmer NC NC
   > Sallie PERDEW Wife M Female W 30 NC Keeps House NC
   > NC
   > Bela PERDEW Dau S Female W 9 NC NC NC
   > James PERDEW Son S Male W 5 NC NC NC
   >
   > 1880 Louisburg, Franklin, North Carolina
   > Thos. Y. PERDUE Self M Male W 31 NC Farmer NC NC
   > Cathrine W. PERDUE Wife M Female W 31 NC Keeps
   > House NC NC
   > Alonzo PERDUE Son S Male W 5 NC NC NC
   > Clifton PERDUE Son S Male W 3 NC NC NC
   > Ella PERDUE Dau S Female W 10M NC NC NC
   > Walter J. HAWKS Son S Male W 11 NC At Home NC NC
   > Richard JOHNSON Other Male B 15 NC Plow Boy NC NC
   >
   > 1880 Hollow, Bladen, North Carolina
   > J. W. PURDIE Self M Male W 52 NC Farming NC NC
   > Sarah PURDIE Wife M Female W 35 NC Keeping House
   > NC NC
   > Thomas J. PURDIE Son S Male W 7 NC NC NC
   > J. Westley PURDIE Son S Male W 5 NC NC NC
   > Sallie PURDIE Dau S Female W 4 NC NC NC
   > Edward PURDIE Son S Male W 8M NC NC NC
   >
   > 1880 Raleigh, Wake, North Carolina
   > Wm. PERDEW Self M Male W 60 NC NC NC
   > Sophia PERDEW Wife M Female W 55 NC NC NC
   > Beckie PERDEW Dau S Female W 31 NC NC NC
   > Emerline PERDEW Dau S Female W 25 NC NC NC
   > Sam PERDEW Son S Male W 31 NC NC NC
   > Luesa PERDEW Dau S Female W 23 NC NC NC
   > Tom H. PERDEW Son S Male W 21 NC NC NC
   >
   >
   >
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John, click on the website below and click on FILES.  It will then let you add a
file to the website.  I know how you feel when you find something new about the
family.  Great!!  Louise
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----- Original Message ----
From: John Nichols <johncn@...>
To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 8, 2006 5:48:05 PM
Subject: RE: [genpcncfir] nichols, perdue or perdew


Thank you for responding,
I have since found out that my great great grandad along with his brother
and their father Thomas, Joshua, and dad William Perdew all served in the
27th regiment company c in the civil war. Thomas was wounded and received a
civil war pension. I am using family tree maker 9.0 and was wondering how i
can upload it to our site?

this is exciting
john nichols
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   From: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com [mailto:genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Louise
   Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 8:29 PM
   To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] nichols, perdue or perdew


   Jeremiah Nichols may have been in the Spanish-American War with Cuba. My
husband said it was around 1998 or 1905. They wore fannel not having good
uniforms.

   ----- Original Message ----
   From: John Nichols <johncn@...>
   To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2006 2:18:31 PM
   Subject: RE: [genpcncfir] nichols, perdue or perdew

   Thank you for replying, I found my Thomas Perdew, but being here in
   Michigan, I am trying to find a was to find a death Certificate for
William
   Thomas Perdew that was married to Lela Letchworth. I am thinking he was
   born in about 1897. I have his name on my grandmother's birth certificate
   as being her father. I do know that according to the 1910 census, I think
   my Thomas Perdew was born in about 1843. Note thet William Thomas Perdew
is
   the son of Thomas Perdew. I am trying to find death or birth records for
   both of them. I am not sure when either of them died.

   john



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Interesting!

What happened to John A. Forbes, Arthur's [nine year
old] son on 1880 census? Was his mother Frances
Hearne?

Was the father of the Mim's brothers from Florida?
There is a town in Brevard County with that name. I
visit that county periodically.

Full of questions, Marcia

--- Bob Forbes <bforbes@...> wrote:
> Just to emphasize Carol's point, I suppose, I have a
> 2-gr-grand uncle, Arthur Forbes (b.1806-d.1881,twin
> to my gr-gr-grandfather Alfred Forbes,
> b.1806-d.1847), who fathered his last child and only
> son, Archibald Rodolph Forbes(1881-1938), at the
> tender old age of 75 in Dec. 1880.  Unfortunately,
> Arthur Forbes died in Feb. 1881 just a couple of
> months after his son was born, so he never got to
> know his son.  His widow, Mary Virginia Stancill
> Forbes (b.1849-d.1934), raised that son to adulthood
> with the help of her Stancill relatives, and
> survived her husband many more years as you can see.
>
> ... omitted some
>
> I re-discovered this ancestor's grave site and
> headstone just a couple of years ago with the help
> of Steve & Spencer Mims, grandsons of Russell
> Stancill, who remembered seeing the graveyard as
> young boys when they visited their granddad.  Via
> correspondence on the Internet, they led me right to
> his buried headstone in the woods!
>
> Bob Forbes




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Marcia - His full name was John Arthur Forbes (1871-bef.1962), and he was the
only child (as far as I know) of Arthur Forbes (1806-1881) and his 2nd wife Mary
Frances Hearne (1842-1874).   John Arthur Forbes married Lula Askew (1869-1962)
of Farmville in 1895, and they lived on a what was apparently her family's farm
outside of Farmville. They had 3 children: Joseph Earl Forbes b.1899, Lula Askew
Forbes b.1903, and Mary Ethel Forbes b.1908, who later married Jack Hardy.

There are a number of descendants of John Arthur Forbes and Lula Askew who are
around today, I'm sure. Lula Askew Forbes's obituary says she died at the age of
93 in 1962, survived by 6 grandchildren and 10 great-grandchildren.  I am trying
to dig up more info on the patriarch of this clan, Arthur Forbes (1806-1881),
and would liike to hear from any of his descendants who happen to pick up this
post and might have any info on his life or the lives of his children, no matter
how obscure...

As to my contemporaries Steve and Spencer Mims, grandsons of Russell Stancill,
all I can tell you is that they are sons of one of Russell Stancill's daughters.
Their father, Mr. (I think he also goes by Spencer) Mims, went to college at ECC
(now ECU) in the 1940's and now lives in Charlotte.

Bob Forbes
bforbes@...

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Marcia McLawhorn
   To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 10:41 AM
   Subject: [genpcncfir] Elderly Dads - John A. Forbes


   Interesting!

   What happened to John A. Forbes, Arthur's [nine year
   old] son on 1880 census? Was his mother Frances
   Hearne?

   Was the father of the Mim's brothers from Florida?
   There is a town in Brevard County with that name. I
   visit that county periodically.

   Full of questions, Marcia

   --- Bob Forbes <bforbes@...> wrote:
   > Just to emphasize Carol's point, I suppose, I have a
   > 2-gr-grand uncle, Arthur Forbes (b.1806-d.1881,twin
   > to my gr-gr-grandfather Alfred Forbes,
   > b.1806-d.1847), who fathered his last child and only
   > son, Archibald Rodolph Forbes(1881-1938), at the
   > tender old age of 75 in Dec. 1880. Unfortunately,
   > Arthur Forbes died in Feb. 1881 just a couple of
   > months after his son was born, so he never got to
   > know his son. His widow, Mary Virginia Stancill
   > Forbes (b.1849-d.1934), raised that son to adulthood
   > with the help of her Stancill relatives, and
   > survived her husband many more years as you can see.
   >
   > ... omitted some
   >
   > I re-discovered this ancestor's grave site and
   > headstone just a couple of years ago with the help
   > of Steve & Spencer Mims, grandsons of Russell
   > Stancill, who remembered seeing the graveyard as
   > young boys when they visited their granddad. Via
   > correspondence on the Internet, they led me right to
   > his buried headstone in the woods!
   >
   > Bob Forbes

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I believe her name was Mattie Brown Stancill b. August 13, 1932, d/o John
Russell Stancill and Mary Augusta "Mae" Tucker.  They also had children, Mae
Tucker Stancill, John Russell, Jr., Ruel Seth, Dorothy Ann (John Foell),
Sarah Frances (Bill Glasgow).

Bob, you remember the old Greenville Greenies baseball team that played in
the Coastal Plains League, John Foell came to Greenville to play ball for
them in the 1940s.  A good left handed pitcher.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Forbes" <bforbes@...>
To: <genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 2:42 PM
Subject: [genpcncfir] John Arthur Forbes of Pitt County, NC


> Marcia - His full name was John Arthur Forbes (1871-bef.1962), and he was
> the only child (as far as I know) of Arthur Forbes (1806-1881) and his 2nd
> wife Mary Frances Hearne (1842-1874).   John Arthur Forbes married Lula
> Askew (1869-1962) of Farmville in 1895, and they lived on a what was
> apparently her family's farm outside of Farmville. They had 3 children:
> Joseph Earl Forbes b.1899, Lula Askew Forbes b.1903, and Mary Ethel Forbes
> b.1908, who later married Jack Hardy.
>
> There are a number of descendants of John Arthur Forbes and Lula Askew who
> are around today, I'm sure. Lula Askew Forbes's obituary says she died at
> the age of 93 in 1962, survived by 6 grandchildren and 10
> great-grandchildren.  I am trying to dig up more info on the patriarch of
> this clan, Arthur Forbes (1806-1881), and would liike to hear from any of
> his descendants who happen to pick up this post and might have any info on
> his life or the lives of his children, no matter how obscure...
>
> As to my contemporaries Steve and Spencer Mims, grandsons of Russell
> Stancill, all I can tell you is that they are sons of one of Russell
> Stancill's daughters. Their father, Mr. (I think he also goes by Spencer)
> Mims, went to college at ECC (now ECU) in the 1940's and now lives in
> Charlotte.
>
> Bob Forbes
> bforbes@...
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Marcia McLawhorn
>  To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
>  Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 10:41 AM
>  Subject: [genpcncfir] Elderly Dads - John A. Forbes
>
>
>  Interesting!
>
>  What happened to John A. Forbes, Arthur's [nine year
>  old] son on 1880 census? Was his mother Frances
>  Hearne?
>
>  Was the father of the Mim's brothers from Florida?
>  There is a town in Brevard County with that name. I
>  visit that county periodically.
>
>  Full of questions, Marcia
>
>  --- Bob Forbes <bforbes@...> wrote:
>  > Just to emphasize Carol's point, I suppose, I have a
>  > 2-gr-grand uncle, Arthur Forbes (b.1806-d.1881,twin
>  > to my gr-gr-grandfather Alfred Forbes,
>  > b.1806-d.1847), who fathered his last child and only
>  > son, Archibald Rodolph Forbes(1881-1938), at the
>  > tender old age of 75 in Dec. 1880. Unfortunately,
>  > Arthur Forbes died in Feb. 1881 just a couple of
>  > months after his son was born, so he never got to
>  > know his son. His widow, Mary Virginia Stancill
>  > Forbes (b.1849-d.1934), raised that son to adulthood
>  > with the help of her Stancill relatives, and
>  > survived her husband many more years as you can see.
>  >
>  > ... omitted some
>  >
>  > I re-discovered this ancestor's grave site and
>  > headstone just a couple of years ago with the help
>  > of Steve & Spencer Mims, grandsons of Russell
>  > Stancill, who remembered seeing the graveyard as
>  > young boys when they visited their granddad. Via
>  > correspondence on the Internet, they led me right to
>  > his buried headstone in the woods!
>  >
>  > Bob Forbes
>
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Bob - I had both a John A. Forbes and John Arthur
Forbes, who was married to Lula Elizabeth Askew. The
later had an estimate birth year. Thank you, they are
now one and the same.

Possible info for John Arthur Forbes' children:
1)   Joseph Earl Forbes (21Oct1899 - Oct1969 per SSDI)
His wife - Annie Lawrence Burnette is the daughter of
George Henry Burnette Sr. and wife Annie Ruth Tyson
[whose parents are Henry Sherrod Tyson and wife
Caroline Phillips Joyner]

2)   Lula Askew Forbes (b:26Jul1903 - Feb1976 per
SSDI)
Looks like she did not wed.

3)   Mary Ethel Forbes - I didn't know about her
marriage, but cannot find her on SSDI with surnames of
Forbes / Hardy / Hardee. There are 122 Mary's born on
14 May 1908. Perhaps she married again.

Marcia

--- Bob Forbes <bforbes@...> wrote:
> Marcia - His full name was John Arthur Forbes
> (1871-bef.1962), and he was the only child (as far
> as I know) of Arthur Forbes (1806-1881) and his 2nd
> wife Mary Frances Hearne (1842-1874).   John Arthur
> Forbes married Lula Askew (1869-1962) of Farmville
> in 1895, and they lived on a what was apparently her
> family's farm outside of Farmville. They had 3
> children: Joseph Earl Forbes b.1899, Lula Askew
> Forbes b.1903, and Mary Ethel Forbes b.1908, who
> later married Jack Hardy.
...



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The information on Annie and Joseph Earl Forbes is found in The Tyson and May
Genealogy, page 332.  Their children were:
1. Betsy Ann b. July 16, 1932 m. Hunter Alexander Tignor
2. Jean Carolyn b. Nov 17, 1934 m. Robert Dean Carroll

Annie had brothers:
George Henry Burnette, Jr. b. Nov 1, 1912 d. Dec 5, 1933
Paul Ricks Burnette b. February 6, 1924 m. Mary Emma Jefferson


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Your info on Joseph Earl Forbes & Lula Askew Forbes agrees w/ mine.  As to Mary
Ethel Forbes, all I have besides her birthdate is found in her father's obituary
from Farmville NC (undated in my records except for "June 30" - no year), which
names a surviving daughter as "Mrs. Jack Hardy of Goldsboro."   The obituary of
her mother, Lula Askew Forbes, also from Farmville and dated Mar. 27, 1962,
names only two surviving children: Lula Forbes of Farmville (so yes, we can
assume she did not marry), and J. Earl Forbes of Hampton, VA. So we must assume
that the other daughter, Mary Ethel Forbes who married Jack Hardy of Goldsboro,
had died by March 1962.

Bob Forbes

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   From: Marcia McLawhorn
   To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 12:20 AM
   Subject: [genpcncfir] John Arthur Forbes' children


   Bob - I had both a John A. Forbes and John Arthur
   Forbes, who was married to Lula Elizabeth Askew. The
   later had an estimate birth year. Thank you, they are
   now one and the same.

   Possible info for John Arthur Forbes' children:
   1) Joseph Earl Forbes (21Oct1899 - Oct1969 per SSDI)
   His wife - Annie Lawrence Burnette is the daughter of
   George Henry Burnette Sr. and wife Annie Ruth Tyson
   [whose parents are Henry Sherrod Tyson and wife
   Caroline Phillips Joyner]

   2) Lula Askew Forbes (b:26Jul1903 - Feb1976 per
   SSDI)
   Looks like she did not wed.

   3) Mary Ethel Forbes - I didn't know about her
   marriage, but cannot find her on SSDI with surnames of
   Forbes / Hardy / Hardee. There are 122 Mary's born on
   14 May 1908. Perhaps she married again.

   Marcia

   --- Bob Forbes <bforbes@...> wrote:
   > Marcia - His full name was John Arthur Forbes
   > (1871-bef.1962), and he was the only child (as far
   > as I know) of Arthur Forbes (1806-1881) and his 2nd
   > wife Mary Frances Hearne (1842-1874). John Arthur
   > Forbes married Lula Askew (1869-1962) of Farmville
   > in 1895, and they lived on a what was apparently her
   > family's farm outside of Farmville. They had 3
   > children: Joseph Earl Forbes b.1899, Lula Askew
   > Forbes b.1903, and Mary Ethel Forbes b.1908, who
   > later married Jack Hardy.
   ...

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Dear Bob,
    This is absolutely wonderful! Since my brother's
once coppper colored beard has turned snow white, my
jovial brother can easily pass for Santa.
    From a feminine perspective, the story has a
different slant.
    The day I awakened and realized that I was Santa
was the first Christmas after my marriage when I no
longer stirred on Christmas morning to the magic and
mystery of Christmas with Mama and Uncle Mark.
    Of course at the age of 25 years, I knew that a
human, or an elf at least, helped Santa make Christmas
dreams come true. Still, both Mama and Uncle Mark
could stretch a dollar further than anyone I have ever
known. Our living room was always a wonder to behold
on Christmas morning.
    In the days before my first Christmas in my own
home, I woke up thinking how precious it would be to
capture that specialness for my new family at
Christmas. That was when I realized in a very
different way that Santa is real and that he had
passed on to me the legacy of keeping the spirit alive
and of making dreams come true.
    I learned that Christmas was far more than things
the Christmas of 1961 when someone set fire to our
house, and we lost every thing we had, but thankfully,
we still had one another.
   Mama was in the hospital recovering from yet another
surgery following her diagnosis of metastatic uterine
cancer three years earlier. The previous year our
stepfather had had a massive heart attack the week
before Thanksgiving and died before the rescue squad
could reach the house in the driving sleet.
   Still only a few days post-op, Mama was too weak
even to stand on her feet. Our uncle was home
recovering from t.b. following his release from the
sanitarium after an 18-month stay, but had seen the
flames from the safety of the kitchen in time to
escape the fire.
   When kind neighbors drove me to the hospital to find
Mama distraught as I was the only one unaccounted for,
I was touched my her belief that I had run back into
the house to save the jewelry she had bought for me
through the years.
   In the midst of our pain over being homeless, we
came to know one another as we had never before done.
Mama's lessons on the value of things had indeed been
passed on to her daughter.  What mattered to me was
having Mama, not the things she had given me.
    For me, that was a life altering event. At
Christmas especially, each one of us embodies the
spirit of Santa. Through us, Santa, too, will always
be with us.
    By the way, a neighbor's son, a close friend of my
brother, had saved my jewelry. Despite Uncle Mark's
pleas, he had grabbed a ladder from the workshop and
climbed onto the roof of the burning house to break
into my room and snatch my jewelry box. Can you
imagine that?
    Later, Carol
--- "bforbes@..."
<bforbes@...> wrote:

> In reply to:
>
> "I have not heard about the 4 stages of a man's life
> related to Santa.
> Please tell.
> suzanne"
>
> OK, well, there are really only 4 stages to a man's
> life, and all of them
> seem to revolve around Christmas:
>
> Stage 1 - He BELIEVES in Santa Claus :-)
>
> Stage 2 - He NO LONGER BELIEVES in Santa :-(
>
> Stage 3 - He realizes he IS Santa <;-)>
>
> Stage 4 - He looks MORE & MORE LIKE Santa every year
> <:-)>>>
>
> I believe I'm somewhere between Stages 3 and 4....
>
> bforbes@...
>
>
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Dear Linda,
    The greatest reward for me is being able to assist
others to fill in gaps in their own family history.
The next greatest reward is being able to pass on to
the youngest members of our families the stories of
their ancestors and kin.
    I have spent more delightful hours over the pages
and links from the Pitt County Family Researchers' web
than over anything in my life except for the Sears'
Christmas catalogue in my childhood.
    As I was thinking about the Jackson families of
Pitt County, I was reminded of another Jackson family
that I simply forgot to mention.
    Roy David Jackson, Sr. married Thelma Wilson,
daughter of "Buster" and Eva Wilson of Pitt. They had
two children: Roy David Jackson, Jr. and Betty Earle
Jackson. These grandchildren became my friends because
of our frequent visits with Mama to the Pitt County
Home next door to us on County Home Road where their
grandfather was Superintendent of the Pitt County
Home. As Superintendent, his family were housed in the
Superintendent's home on the property.
    That house was truly a magical place for me. My own
McGowan great uncles had served as superintendents of
the County Home themselves. So in addition to being
able to play there, the house was also special because
my great uncles and their families had lived there.
    Today, the County Home no longer houses the
indigent nor the trustee prisoners who worked on the
chain gangs performing road maintenance for Pitt
County.
    Between what was our property and the Pitt County
Home, on the same side of the road as the Home, is now
an elementary school where my young cousins are
pupils.
    Still, though, despite all the changes, through
them the family ties continue. That's what brings us
together as well.
    If perchance you do know about these County Home
Jacksons, I am sure that many of us would appreciate
your sharing their ties to other Pitt County and North
Carolina families.
    Later, Carol
--- LdMel1@... wrote:

> Bless you for replying.  I look forward to going
> there.  What can I do to help you?
>
> Have a blessed day
> Linda
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: csinghworthington@...
> To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 4:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Jackson's in Pitt County
>
>
> Dear Linda,
> Go to http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncpcfr That is the
> web of the Pitt County Family Researchers. From that
> page, you will find a box with a list of items
> including Online Resources (gives you cemeteries,
> Bible records, deeds, articles from the Eastern and
> Daily Reflector from 1882 to about 1906, death
> records, marriage records) and Related Resources.
> Click on Related Resources.
> Among other listings, you will find websites. Lisa
> Scarola's "Some Pitt County Sermons and McGowans"
> will
> be among them. Click on it.
> She has an alphabetical listing for last names.
> Choose your name, and be prepared to be impressed
> with
> what you find.
> Nowhere have I seen so much information in one
> place!
> Later, Carol
> --- LdMel1@... wrote:
>
> > How do we find her Web site? Thanks...
> >
> > Have a blessed day
> > Linda
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: csinghworthington@...
> > To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 9:31 AM
> > Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] Jackson's in Pitt County
> >
> >
> > Dear Nicole,
> > Lisa has done an incredible amount of hands on
> > research to supplement what group members like us
> > have
> > shared with her. Her roots are also Pitt County,
> > N.C.
> > though, like many of us, she lives out-of-state
> now.
> > She makes frequent trips, considering the
> distance,
> > to
> > visit cemeteries, court houses, and libraries. She
> > uses public documents like census records and
> vital
> > statistics to verify information, and she gives
> > periodic up-dates. Last year, she did extensive
> > up-dates of material on her web to the extent, in
> > fact, that her site was down for several weeks.
> > Of course, humans being what they are, there are
> > errors at times, and in my own ignorance, I have
> > contributed my share. However, as soon as I learn
> of
> > my mistakes, I contact Lisa, and she very
> graciously
> > up-dates and revises her information.
> > She has made an incredible contribution to our
> > knowledge of our Pitt County families.
> > Later, Carol
> > --- nsutti <nsutti@...> wrote:
> >
> > > I was able to trace a lot of Jackson history due
> > to
> > > Lisa Scarola, but
> > > I'm not sure if she is just a researcher. Her
> > > email does not work
> > > anymore. Any other Jackson kin here?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Nicole
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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Dear Gary,
    Pitt County Census Records list the residents of
the orphanage. I remember having seen a couple of
these. I came upon one of these by chance when at the
State Library of Virginia leafing through North
Carolina census records.
    I forget, though, exactly how the facility was
listed. If none of our group joins the discussion to
tell you, I feel sure that you can find out from
e-mailing the Joyner Library in Greenville, N.C. from
the Pitt County Family Researcher's web at
http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncpcfr and to to the link for
Joyner Library.
    Later, Carol
--- "Molan, Gary - ES/EW" <Gary.Molan@...> wrote:

> Does anyone have a information on locating or
> obtaining Pitt Cty Orphan
> Records ? We are looking for information about
> orphans placed in the
> Oxford Orphanage in Granville  from 1875 to 1900.
> Has anyone had to
> interface with this Orphanage for their ancestors ?
> Were there any Pitt
> Cty records that recorded the events ?
>
> Thanks
> Gary Molan
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But - Getting better as I age

--- Bob Forbes <bforbes@...> wrote:

> Your info on Joseph Earl Forbes & Lula Askew Forbes
> agrees w/ mine.  As to Mary Ethel Forbes, all I have
> besides her birthdate is found in her father's
> obituary from Farmville NC (undated in my records
> except for "June 30" - no year), which names a
> surviving daughter as "Mrs. Jack Hardy of
> Goldsboro."   The obituary of her mother, Lula Askew
> Forbes, also from Farmville and dated Mar. 27, 1962,
> names only two surviving children: Lula Forbes of
> Farmville (so yes, we can assume she did not marry),
> and J. Earl Forbes of Hampton, VA. So we must assume
> that the other daughter, Mary Ethel Forbes who
> married Jack Hardy of Goldsboro, had died by March
> 1962.
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Dear Marcia,
    Yes, I do! Worse yet is my habit of writing on a
slip of paper in the library or on a napkin from my
pocket and then losing the paper.
    I, too, have improved with age. I now carry a stack
of rubber-banded note cards in my bag and a flash
[jump drive] in my pocket!
    Later, Carol
--- Marcia McLawhorn <marcia_mclawhorn@...>
wrote:

> Bob & all,
> Don't you just hate it.... I know I do, when I find
> I
> didn't save an important piece of info that I must
> have had.
> Marcia
> But - Getting better as I age
>
> --- Bob Forbes <bforbes@...> wrote:
>
> > Your info on Joseph Earl Forbes & Lula Askew
> Forbes
> > agrees w/ mine.  As to Mary Ethel Forbes, all I
> have
> > besides her birthdate is found in her father's
> > obituary from Farmville NC (undated in my records
> > except for "June 30" - no year), which names a
> > surviving daughter as "Mrs. Jack Hardy of
> > Goldsboro."   The obituary of her mother, Lula
> Askew
> > Forbes, also from Farmville and dated Mar. 27,
> 1962,
> > names only two surviving children: Lula Forbes of
> > Farmville (so yes, we can assume she did not
> marry),
> > and J. Earl Forbes of Hampton, VA. So we must
> assume
> > that the other daughter, Mary Ethel Forbes who
> > married Jack Hardy of Goldsboro, had died by March
> > 1962.
> > Bob Forbes
>
>
>
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You must write all this down and publish, my dear.
What a beautiful story.

May be that we all have a special holiday story to
share.

Thank you.

--- Carol Singh <csinghworthington@...> wrote:

> Dear Bob,
>    This is absolutely wonderful! Since my brother's
> once coppper colored beard has turned snow white, my
> jovial brother can easily pass for Santa.
>    From a feminine perspective, the story has a
> different slant.
>    The day I awakened and realized that I was Santa
> was the first Christmas after my marriage when I no
> longer stirred on Christmas morning to the magic and
> mystery of Christmas with Mama and Uncle Mark.
>    Of course at the age of 25 years, I knew that a
> human, or an elf at least, helped Santa make
> Christmas
> dreams come true. Still, both Mama and Uncle Mark
> could stretch a dollar further than anyone I have
> ever
> known. Our living room was always a wonder to behold
> on Christmas morning.
>    In the days before my first Christmas in my own
> home, I woke up thinking how precious it would be to
> capture that specialness for my new family at
> Christmas. That was when I realized in a very
> different way that Santa is real and that he had
> passed on to me the legacy of keeping the spirit
> alive
> and of making dreams come true.
>    I learned that Christmas was far more than things
> the Christmas of 1961 when someone set fire to our
> house, and we lost every thing we had, but
> thankfully,
> we still had one another.
>   Mama was in the hospital recovering from yet
> another
> surgery following her diagnosis of metastatic
> uterine
> cancer three years earlier. The previous year our
> stepfather had had a massive heart attack the week
> before Thanksgiving and died before the rescue squad
> could reach the house in the driving sleet.
>   Still only a few days post-op, Mama was too weak
> even to stand on her feet. Our uncle was home
> recovering from t.b. following his release from the
> sanitarium after an 18-month stay, but had seen the
> flames from the safety of the kitchen in time to
> escape the fire.
>   When kind neighbors drove me to the hospital to
> find
> Mama distraught as I was the only one unaccounted
> for,
> I was touched my her belief that I had run back into
> the house to save the jewelry she had bought for me
> through the years.
>   In the midst of our pain over being homeless, we
> came to know one another as we had never before
> done.
> Mama's lessons on the value of things had indeed
> been
> passed on to her daughter.  What mattered to me was
> having Mama, not the things she had given me.
>    For me, that was a life altering event. At
> Christmas especially, each one of us embodies the
> spirit of Santa. Through us, Santa, too, will always
> be with us.
>    By the way, a neighbor's son, a close friend of
> my
> brother, had saved my jewelry. Despite Uncle Mark's
> pleas, he had grabbed a ladder from the workshop and
> climbed onto the roof of the burning house to break
> into my room and snatch my jewelry box. Can you
> imagine that?
>    Later, Carol
> --- "bforbes@..."
> <bforbes@...> wrote:
>
> > In reply to:
> >
> > "I have not heard about the 4 stages of a man's
> life
> > related to Santa.
> > Please tell.
> > suzanne"
> >
> > OK, well, there are really only 4 stages to a
> man's
> > life, and all of them
> > seem to revolve around Christmas:
> >
> > Stage 1 - He BELIEVES in Santa Claus :-)
> >
> > Stage 2 - He NO LONGER BELIEVES in Santa :-(
> >
> > Stage 3 - He realizes he IS Santa <;-)>
> >
> > Stage 4 - He looks MORE & MORE LIKE Santa every
> year
> > <:-)>>>
> >
> > I believe I'm somewhere between Stages 3 and 4....
>
> >
> > bforbes@...
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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> > http://mail2web.com/ .
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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Dear Faye,
    It's so generous of you to share your thoughts.
Thank you very much.
    Mama and Uncle Mark were incredibly strong and
wise. I always felt I was lacking that special
something that they had--compassion, selflessness, and
wisdom. With the wisdom came self-examination and
self-knowledge, the ability to ask questions and to
lose without demeaning oneself--equating losing with
being a loser. Even yet, I continue to work on those
last ones. What was so natural for Mama and Uncle Mark
were so unnatural for me.
    I think the difference was that I wanted more than
anything for them to be proud of me, and I equated
that with never having to say "I don't know."
    What I did not understand from the very beginning
was that they were proud of me. I did not have to
"make" them proud of me.
    Because of my feelings, I walked a very careful
path with my own children, perhaps too careful a path.
I was fearful that they would love me too much and
think me much stronger and wiser than I actually was.
If they did, then they might think less of themselves
and of their abilities.
    What happened was their thinking I didn't care
about them, that I lived in the world of ideas. The
truth was very different.
    I enjoyed ideas. I loved people and loved them for
themselves, not for their ideas.
    I do not know if where you are there is the t.v.
program called "Numbers." It's about Charlie, a
mathematics professor, and his brother an F.B.I.
agent. Charlie is a genius who uses math to solve
crimes for his brother.
    He represses his feelings because he is
uncomfortable with them. He is uncomfortable with them
because he doesn't trust them. He can't prove them. He
has nothing to measure them against. He comes close to
our idea of the "mad scientist" who is a recluse. My
children still think of me like that, but I am so not
like that.
    True, when working on something, I am incredibly
focused, but not at all like Charlie where it's normal
for him to be "in his shell," as Mama called it.
    So, all this leads to why I wanted to give my own
family the magic of Christmas.
    At least for my son, who is my first born, I know
from his special phone call to me last night that I
succeeded.
    I am beginning to see signs in my daughter, a new
mother with her own little girl. After long years,
that's encouraging.
    Later, Carol
--- Faye Silliman <eyafydal@...> wrote:

> You must write all this down and publish, my dear.
> What a beautiful story.
>
> May be that we all have a special holiday story to
> share.
>
> Thank you.
>
> --- Carol Singh <csinghworthington@...> wrote:
>
> > Dear Bob,
> >    This is absolutely wonderful! Since my
> brother's
> > once coppper colored beard has turned snow white,
> my
> > jovial brother can easily pass for Santa.
> >    From a feminine perspective, the story has a
> > different slant.
> >    The day I awakened and realized that I was
> Santa
> > was the first Christmas after my marriage when I
> no
> > longer stirred on Christmas morning to the magic
> and
> > mystery of Christmas with Mama and Uncle Mark.
> >    Of course at the age of 25 years, I knew that a
> > human, or an elf at least, helped Santa make
> > Christmas
> > dreams come true. Still, both Mama and Uncle Mark
> > could stretch a dollar further than anyone I have
> > ever
> > known. Our living room was always a wonder to
> behold
> > on Christmas morning.
> >    In the days before my first Christmas in my own
> > home, I woke up thinking how precious it would be
> to
> > capture that specialness for my new family at
> > Christmas. That was when I realized in a very
> > different way that Santa is real and that he had
> > passed on to me the legacy of keeping the spirit
> > alive
> > and of making dreams come true.
> >    I learned that Christmas was far more than
> things
> > the Christmas of 1961 when someone set fire to our
> > house, and we lost every thing we had, but
> > thankfully,
> > we still had one another.
> >   Mama was in the hospital recovering from yet
> > another
> > surgery following her diagnosis of metastatic
> > uterine
> > cancer three years earlier. The previous year our
> > stepfather had had a massive heart attack the week
> > before Thanksgiving and died before the rescue
> squad
> > could reach the house in the driving sleet.
> >   Still only a few days post-op, Mama was too weak
> > even to stand on her feet. Our uncle was home
> > recovering from t.b. following his release from
> the
> > sanitarium after an 18-month stay, but had seen
> the
> > flames from the safety of the kitchen in time to
> > escape the fire.
> >   When kind neighbors drove me to the hospital to
> > find
> > Mama distraught as I was the only one unaccounted
> > for,
> > I was touched my her belief that I had run back
> into
> > the house to save the jewelry she had bought for
> me
> > through the years.
> >   In the midst of our pain over being homeless, we
> > came to know one another as we had never before
> > done.
> > Mama's lessons on the value of things had indeed
> > been
> > passed on to her daughter.  What mattered to me
> was
> > having Mama, not the things she had given me.
> >    For me, that was a life altering event. At
> > Christmas especially, each one of us embodies the
> > spirit of Santa. Through us, Santa, too, will
> always
> > be with us.
> >    By the way, a neighbor's son, a close friend of
> > my
> > brother, had saved my jewelry. Despite Uncle
> Mark's
> > pleas, he had grabbed a ladder from the workshop
> and
> > climbed onto the roof of the burning house to
> break
> > into my room and snatch my jewelry box. Can you
> > imagine that?
> >    Later, Carol
> > --- "bforbes@..."
> > <bforbes@...> wrote:
> >
> > > In reply to:
> > >
> > > "I have not heard about the 4 stages of a man's
> > life
> > > related to Santa.
> > > Please tell.
> > > suzanne"
> > >
> > > OK, well, there are really only 4 stages to a
> > man's
> > > life, and all of them
> > > seem to revolve around Christmas:
> > >
> > > Stage 1 - He BELIEVES in Santa Claus :-)
> > >
> > > Stage 2 - He NO LONGER BELIEVES in Santa :-(
> > >
> > > Stage 3 - He realizes he IS Santa <;-)>
> > >
> > > Stage 4 - He looks MORE & MORE LIKE Santa every
> > year
> > > <:-)>>>
> > >
> > > I believe I'm somewhere between Stages 3 and
> 4....
> >
> > >
> > > bforbes@...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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> > > http://mail2web.com/ .
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Carol - Faye is right, of course. You have told a number of stories over the
years in these posts that I could see being woven into a book, with the help of
a good editor and publisher. I would envision a title something like, "The
Wisdom of Mama and Uncle Mark" or perhaps something even shorter, catchier.  I
have a couple of relatives who are fairly accomplished writers, and might be
willing to review a draft manuscript... give you some pointers.  But finding a
publisher -- that's a whole different matter.  I'm told that several hundred (if
not a thousand or two) new manuscripts come out every DAY, looking for a
publisher. I know some writers who have worked on the craft all their lives and
still cannot find a publisher willing to risk the expense of mass production.
Luckily, self-publishing is becoming an easier task for those who are willing to
risk some of their own $$ -- what generally amounts to several thousand dollars
to do it right.  One thing I've found out by following the careers of a few
writer friends and relatives -- the world of professional writing is very
competitive and not very kind!
Bob Forbes
bforbes@...

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   From: Carol Singh
   To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 7:34 PM
   Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] A man's Christmas passages....


   Dear Faye,
   It's so generous of you to share your thoughts.
   Thank you very much.
   Mama and Uncle Mark were incredibly strong and
   wise. I always felt I was lacking that special
   something that they had--compassion, selflessness, and
   wisdom. With the wisdom came self-examination and
   self-knowledge, the ability to ask questions and to
   lose without demeaning oneself--equating losing with
   being a loser. Even yet, I continue to work on those
   last ones. What was so natural for Mama and Uncle Mark
   were so unnatural for me.
   I think the difference was that I wanted more than
   anything for them to be proud of me, and I equated
   that with never having to say "I don't know."
   What I did not understand from the very beginning
   was that they were proud of me. I did not have to
   "make" them proud of me.
   Because of my feelings, I walked a very careful
   path with my own children, perhaps too careful a path.
   I was fearful that they would love me too much and
   think me much stronger and wiser than I actually was.
   If they did, then they might think less of themselves
   and of their abilities.
   What happened was their thinking I didn't care
   about them, that I lived in the world of ideas. The
   truth was very different.
   I enjoyed ideas. I loved people and loved them for
   themselves, not for their ideas.
   I do not know if where you are there is the t.v.
   program called "Numbers." It's about Charlie, a
   mathematics professor, and his brother an F.B.I.
   agent. Charlie is a genius who uses math to solve
   crimes for his brother.
   He represses his feelings because he is
   uncomfortable with them. He is uncomfortable with them
   because he doesn't trust them. He can't prove them. He
   has nothing to measure them against. He comes close to
   our idea of the "mad scientist" who is a recluse. My
   children still think of me like that, but I am so not
   like that.
   True, when working on something, I am incredibly
   focused, but not at all like Charlie where it's normal
   for him to be "in his shell," as Mama called it.
   So, all this leads to why I wanted to give my own
   family the magic of Christmas.
   At least for my son, who is my first born, I know
   from his special phone call to me last night that I
   succeeded.
   I am beginning to see signs in my daughter, a new
   mother with her own little girl. After long years,
   that's encouraging.
   Later, Carol
   --- Faye Silliman <eyafydal@...> wrote:

   > You must write all this down and publish, my dear.
   > What a beautiful story.
   >
   > May be that we all have a special holiday story to
   > share.
   >
   > Thank you.
   >
   > --- Carol Singh <csinghworthington@...> wrote:
   >
   > > Dear Bob,
   > > This is absolutely wonderful! Since my
   > brother's
   > > once coppper colored beard has turned snow white,
   > my
   > > jovial brother can easily pass for Santa.
   > > From a feminine perspective, the story has a
   > > different slant.
   > > The day I awakened and realized that I was
   > Santa
   > > was the first Christmas after my marriage when I
   > no
   > > longer stirred on Christmas morning to the magic
   > and
   > > mystery of Christmas with Mama and Uncle Mark.
   > > Of course at the age of 25 years, I knew that a
   > > human, or an elf at least, helped Santa make
   > > Christmas
   > > dreams come true. Still, both Mama and Uncle Mark
   > > could stretch a dollar further than anyone I have
   > > ever
   > > known. Our living room was always a wonder to
   > behold
   > > on Christmas morning.
   > > In the days before my first Christmas in my own
   > > home, I woke up thinking how precious it would be
   > to
   > > capture that specialness for my new family at
   > > Christmas. That was when I realized in a very
   > > different way that Santa is real and that he had
   > > passed on to me the legacy of keeping the spirit
   > > alive
   > > and of making dreams come true.
   > > I learned that Christmas was far more than
   > things
   > > the Christmas of 1961 when someone set fire to our
   > > house, and we lost every thing we had, but
   > > thankfully,
   > > we still had one another.
   > > Mama was in the hospital recovering from yet
   > > another
   > > surgery following her diagnosis of metastatic
   > > uterine
   > > cancer three years earlier. The previous year our
   > > stepfather had had a massive heart attack the week
   > > before Thanksgiving and died before the rescue
   > squad
   > > could reach the house in the driving sleet.
   > > Still only a few days post-op, Mama was too weak
   > > even to stand on her feet. Our uncle was home
   > > recovering from t.b. following his release from
   > the
   > > sanitarium after an 18-month stay, but had seen
   > the
   > > flames from the safety of the kitchen in time to
   > > escape the fire.
   > > When kind neighbors drove me to the hospital to
   > > find
   > > Mama distraught as I was the only one unaccounted
   > > for,
   > > I was touched my her belief that I had run back
   > into
   > > the house to save the jewelry she had bought for
   > me
   > > through the years.
   > > In the midst of our pain over being homeless, we
   > > came to know one another as we had never before
   > > done.
   > > Mama's lessons on the value of things had indeed
   > > been
   > > passed on to her daughter. What mattered to me
   > was
   > > having Mama, not the things she had given me.
   > > For me, that was a life altering event. At
   > > Christmas especially, each one of us embodies the
   > > spirit of Santa. Through us, Santa, too, will
   > always
   > > be with us.
   > > By the way, a neighbor's son, a close friend of
   > > my
   > > brother, had saved my jewelry. Despite Uncle
   > Mark's
   > > pleas, he had grabbed a ladder from the workshop
   > and
   > > climbed onto the roof of the burning house to
   > break
   > > into my room and snatch my jewelry box. Can you
   > > imagine that?
   > > Later, Carol
   > > --- "bforbes@..."
   > > <bforbes@...> wrote:
   > >
   > > > In reply to:
   > > >
   > > > "I have not heard about the 4 stages of a man's
   > > life
   > > > related to Santa.
   > > > Please tell.
   > > > suzanne"
   > > >
   > > > OK, well, there are really only 4 stages to a
   > > man's
   > > > life, and all of them
   > > > seem to revolve around Christmas:
   > > >
   > > > Stage 1 - He BELIEVES in Santa Claus :-)
   > > >
   > > > Stage 2 - He NO LONGER BELIEVES in Santa :-(
   > > >
   > > > Stage 3 - He realizes he IS Santa <;-)>
   > > >
   > > > Stage 4 - He looks MORE & MORE LIKE Santa every
   > > year
   > > > <:-)>>>
   > > >
   > > > I believe I'm somewhere between Stages 3 and
   > 4....
   > >
   > > >
   > > > bforbes@...
   > > >
   > > >
   > > >
   > > >
   > >
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R. Allen Humphrey has finished a wonderful book that he researched on Abner
Wetherington and related families of Tuscarora.  I found it very informative. 
For those of you have not seen it, the link is at the beginning of this e-mail.
Carol, when I met you in Oct I told you I loved your stories.  I agree with Faye
and Bob, you should write it all down!
Doni

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Dear Bob,
    Thanks! As to publishers, I know! It's easier,
though, to publish nonfiction than fiction, to publish
cookbooks than just about anything else. But, doesn't
the cookbook craze stand to reason? That is, given the
media hype on the "obesity epidemic."
    To date I've published academic articles and had
newspapers publish my stuff, as I call it, or commend
me for my stuff. That's about it. However, I have
never submitted anything anywhere else except for
poetry. Even then, my submissions have been so few and
far between that I have garnered fewer than 10
rejection slips.
     When it comes to writing on oneself, a writer has
to hit a common chord in a very broad
audience--motherhood, Horatio Alger, lessons learned
or to aim at the other extreme for a special audience
like a popular minority. Amy Tan comes to mind and
Maya Angelou. Both reach out and appeal to our common
humanity. The result is an audience far, far beyond
that of their roots.
     A Tarheel example is the novel Look Homeward,
Angel. It, too, has universal apeal.
     In recent months, several of our Tarheels have won
acclaim for the "sense of place" in their novels. I do
think that I can capture that, but differently or in
any case effectively enough that an editor wouldn't
ask what makes this one stand out? Is it a sure
winner, or a shot in the dark? I don't know. I've been
working on that.
     Essayists like Joan Didion have had amazing runs.
I've been astounded at it, still am.
     In writing about family, I simply write from the
heart. With the exception of Chronicles II, I don't
actually go with a plan but with an experience.
Consistently, I try to write so that my reader has an
experience. I work from the inside out, not from the
outside in. I play with distance like a camera:
close-ups and zoom shots. I cut to the chase. I have
fun. I want the reader to have fun too. It's the same
with colleagues at work. I knock myself out so that
they will want to be there, maybe even be no place
else but there.
     Right now, as the clerks say on "Are You Being
Served?", I am free. My exam was this morning. The
semester is over.
     I can celebrate and put together a manuscript. I
promise you, though, that whatever it is, I will knock
myself out.
     I've tossed out a couple of drafts already. I
wasn't really satisfied with them.
     I'd welcome any suggestion from you. Let's see
what I can do.
     Later, Carol
--- Bob Forbes <bforbes@...> wrote:

> Carol - Faye is right, of course. You have told a
> number of stories over the years in these posts that
> I could see being woven into a book, with the help
> of a good editor and publisher. I would envision a
> title something like, "The Wisdom of Mama and Uncle
> Mark" or perhaps something even shorter, catchier.
> I have a couple of relatives who are fairly
> accomplished writers, and might be willing to review
> a draft manuscript... give you some pointers.  But
> finding a publisher -- that's a whole different
> matter.  I'm told that several hundred (if not a
> thousand or two) new manuscripts come out every DAY,
> looking for a publisher. I know some writers who
> have worked on the craft all their lives and still
> cannot find a publisher willing to risk the expense
> of mass production. Luckily, self-publishing is
> becoming an easier task for those who are willing to
> risk some of their own $$ -- what generally amounts
> to several thousand dollars to do it right.  One
> thing I've found out by following the careers of a
> few writer friends and relatives -- the world of
> professional writing is very competitive and not
> very kind!
> Bob Forbes
> bforbes@...
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Carol Singh
>   To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 7:34 PM
>   Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] A man's Christmas
> passages....
>
>
>   Dear Faye,
>   It's so generous of you to share your thoughts.
>   Thank you very much.
>   Mama and Uncle Mark were incredibly strong and
>   wise. I always felt I was lacking that special
>   something that they had--compassion, selflessness,
> and
>   wisdom. With the wisdom came self-examination and
>   self-knowledge, the ability to ask questions and
> to
>   lose without demeaning oneself--equating losing
> with
>   being a loser. Even yet, I continue to work on
> those
>   last ones. What was so natural for Mama and Uncle
> Mark
>   were so unnatural for me.
>   I think the difference was that I wanted more than
>   anything for them to be proud of me, and I equated
>   that with never having to say "I don't know."
>   What I did not understand from the very beginning
>   was that they were proud of me. I did not have to
>   "make" them proud of me.
>   Because of my feelings, I walked a very careful
>   path with my own children, perhaps too careful a
> path.
>   I was fearful that they would love me too much and
>   think me much stronger and wiser than I actually
> was.
>   If they did, then they might think less of
> themselves
>   and of their abilities.
>   What happened was their thinking I didn't care
>   about them, that I lived in the world of ideas.
> The
>   truth was very different.
>   I enjoyed ideas. I loved people and loved them for
>   themselves, not for their ideas.
>   I do not know if where you are there is the t.v.
>   program called "Numbers." It's about Charlie, a
>   mathematics professor, and his brother an F.B.I.
>   agent. Charlie is a genius who uses math to solve
>   crimes for his brother.
>   He represses his feelings because he is
>   uncomfortable with them. He is uncomfortable with
> them
>   because he doesn't trust them. He can't prove
> them. He
>   has nothing to measure them against. He comes
> close to
>   our idea of the "mad scientist" who is a recluse.
> My
>   children still think of me like that, but I am so
> not
>   like that.
>   True, when working on something, I am incredibly
>   focused, but not at all like Charlie where it's
> normal
>   for him to be "in his shell," as Mama called it.
>   So, all this leads to why I wanted to give my own
>   family the magic of Christmas.
>   At least for my son, who is my first born, I know
>   from his special phone call to me last night that
> I
>   succeeded.
>   I am beginning to see signs in my daughter, a new
>   mother with her own little girl. After long years,
>   that's encouraging.
>   Later, Carol
>   --- Faye Silliman <eyafydal@...> wrote:
>
>   > You must write all this down and publish, my
> dear.
>   > What a beautiful story.
>   >
>   > May be that we all have a special holiday story
> to
>   > share.
>   >
>   > Thank you.
>   >
>   > --- Carol Singh <csinghworthington@...>
> wrote:
>   >
>   > > Dear Bob,
>   > > This is absolutely wonderful! Since my
>   > brother's
>   > > once coppper colored beard has turned snow
> white,
>   > my
>   > > jovial brother can easily pass for Santa.
>   > > From a feminine perspective, the story has a
>   > > different slant.
>   > > The day I awakened and realized that I was
>   > Santa
>   > > was the first Christmas after my marriage when
> I
>   > no
>   > > longer stirred on Christmas morning to the
> magic
>   > and
>   > > mystery of Christmas with Mama and Uncle Mark.
>   > > Of course at the age of 25 years, I knew that
> a
>   > > human, or an elf at least, helped Santa make
>   > > Christmas
>   > > dreams come true. Still, both Mama and Uncle
> Mark
>   > > could stretch a dollar further than anyone I
> have
>   > > ever
>   > > known. Our living room was always a wonder to
>   > behold
>   > > on Christmas morning.
>   > > In the days before my first Christmas in my
> own
>   > > home, I woke up thinking how precious it would
> be
>   > to
>   > > capture that specialness for my new family at
>   > > Christmas. That was when I realized in a very
>   > > different way that Santa is real and that he
> had
>   > > passed on to me the legacy of keeping the
> spirit
>   > > alive
>   > > and of making dreams come true.
>   > > I learned that Christmas was far more than
>   > things
>   > > the Christmas of 1961 when someone set fire to
> our
>   > > house, and we lost every thing we had, but
>   > > thankfully,
>   > > we still had one another.
>   > > Mama was in the hospital recovering from yet
>   > > another
>   > > surgery following her diagnosis of metastatic
>   > > uterine
>   > > cancer three years earlier. The previous year
> our
>   > > stepfather had had a massive heart attack the
> week
>   > > before Thanksgiving and died before the rescue
>   > squad
>   > > could reach the house in the driving sleet.
>   > > Still only a few days post-op, Mama was too
> weak
>   > > even to stand on her feet. Our uncle was home
>   > > recovering from t.b. following his release
> from
>   > the
>   > > sanitarium after an 18-month stay, but had
> seen
>   > the
>   > > flames from the safety of the kitchen in time
> to
>   > > escape the fire.
>   > > When kind neighbors drove me to the hospital
> to
>   > > find
>   > > Mama distraught as I was the only one
> unaccounted
>   > > for,
>   > > I was touched my her belief that I had run
> back
>   > into
>   > > the house to save the jewelry she had bought
> for
>
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Dear Doni,
    You are a saint! I could wish for no better
Christmas present than the support I've received from
this group.
    Meeting you was a highlight of my trip and made me
so happy I had taken the time off from work.
    Later, Carol
--- Sue Jones Overton <doverton1@...>
wrote:

>
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~clarksnc/table/twtindex.html
>
>
> R. Allen Humphrey has finished a wonderful book that
> he researched on Abner Wetherington and related
> families of Tuscarora.  I found it very informative.
>  For those of you have not seen it, the link is at
> the beginning of this e-mail.
> Carol, when I met you in Oct I told you I loved your
> stories.  I agree with Faye and Bob, you should
> write it all down!
> Doni
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>




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Carol,

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beautiful.

:)

Tootles,
Faye


--- Carol Singh <csinghworthington@...> wrote:

> Dear Bob,
>    Thanks! As to publishers, I know! It's easier,
> though, to publish nonfiction than fiction, to
> publish
> cookbooks than just about anything else. But,
> doesn't
> the cookbook craze stand to reason? That is, given
> the
> media hype on the "obesity epidemic."
>    To date I've published academic articles and had
> newspapers publish my stuff, as I call it, or
> commend
> me for my stuff. That's about it. However, I have
> never submitted anything anywhere else except for
> poetry. Even then, my submissions have been so few
> and
> far between that I have garnered fewer than 10
> rejection slips.
>     When it comes to writing on oneself, a writer
> has
> to hit a common chord in a very broad
> audience--motherhood, Horatio Alger, lessons learned
> or to aim at the other extreme for a special
> audience
> like a popular minority. Amy Tan comes to mind and
> Maya Angelou. Both reach out and appeal to our
> common
> humanity. The result is an audience far, far beyond
> that of their roots.
>     A Tarheel example is the novel Look Homeward,
> Angel. It, too, has universal apeal.
>     In recent months, several of our Tarheels have
> won
> acclaim for the "sense of place" in their novels. I
> do
> think that I can capture that, but differently or in
> any case effectively enough that an editor wouldn't
> ask what makes this one stand out? Is it a sure
> winner, or a shot in the dark? I don't know. I've
> been
> working on that.
>     Essayists like Joan Didion have had amazing
> runs.
> I've been astounded at it, still am.
>     In writing about family, I simply write from the
> heart. With the exception of Chronicles II, I don't
> actually go with a plan but with an experience.
> Consistently, I try to write so that my reader has
> an
> experience. I work from the inside out, not from the
> outside in. I play with distance like a camera:
> close-ups and zoom shots. I cut to the chase. I have
> fun. I want the reader to have fun too. It's the
> same
> with colleagues at work. I knock myself out so that
> they will want to be there, maybe even be no place
> else but there.
>     Right now, as the clerks say on "Are You Being
> Served?", I am free. My exam was this morning. The
> semester is over.
>     I can celebrate and put together a manuscript. I
> promise you, though, that whatever it is, I will
> knock
> myself out.
>     I've tossed out a couple of drafts already. I
> wasn't really satisfied with them.
>     I'd welcome any suggestion from you. Let's see
> what I can do.
>     Later, Carol
> --- Bob Forbes <bforbes@...> wrote:
>
> > Carol - Faye is right, of course. You have told a
> > number of stories over the years in these posts
> that
> > I could see being woven into a book, with the help
> > of a good editor and publisher. I would envision a
> > title something like, "The Wisdom of Mama and
> Uncle
> > Mark" or perhaps something even shorter, catchier.
>
> > I have a couple of relatives who are fairly
> > accomplished writers, and might be willing to
> review
> > a draft manuscript... give you some pointers.  But
> > finding a publisher -- that's a whole different
> > matter.  I'm told that several hundred (if not a
> > thousand or two) new manuscripts come out every
> DAY,
> > looking for a publisher. I know some writers who
> > have worked on the craft all their lives and still
> > cannot find a publisher willing to risk the
> expense
> > of mass production. Luckily, self-publishing is
> > becoming an easier task for those who are willing
> to
> > risk some of their own $$ -- what generally
> amounts
> > to several thousand dollars to do it right.  One
> > thing I've found out by following the careers of a
> > few writer friends and relatives -- the world of
> > professional writing is very competitive and not
> > very kind!
> > Bob Forbes
> > bforbes@...
> >
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: Carol Singh
> >   To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
> >   Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 7:34 PM
> >   Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] A man's Christmas
> > passages....
> >
> >
> >   Dear Faye,
> >   It's so generous of you to share your thoughts.
> >   Thank you very much.
> >   Mama and Uncle Mark were incredibly strong and
> >   wise. I always felt I was lacking that special
> >   something that they had--compassion,
> selflessness,
> > and
> >   wisdom. With the wisdom came self-examination
> and
> >   self-knowledge, the ability to ask questions and
> > to
> >   lose without demeaning oneself--equating losing
> > with
> >   being a loser. Even yet, I continue to work on
> > those
> >   last ones. What was so natural for Mama and
> Uncle
> > Mark
> >   were so unnatural for me.
> >   I think the difference was that I wanted more
> than
> >   anything for them to be proud of me, and I
> equated
> >   that with never having to say "I don't know."
> >   What I did not understand from the very
> beginning
> >   was that they were proud of me. I did not have
> to
> >   "make" them proud of me.
> >   Because of my feelings, I walked a very careful
> >   path with my own children, perhaps too careful a
> > path.
> >   I was fearful that they would love me too much
> and
> >   think me much stronger and wiser than I actually
> > was.
> >   If they did, then they might think less of
> > themselves
> >   and of their abilities.
> >   What happened was their thinking I didn't care
> >   about them, that I lived in the world of ideas.
> > The
> >   truth was very different.
> >   I enjoyed ideas. I loved people and loved them
> for
> >   themselves, not for their ideas.
> >   I do not know if where you are there is the t.v.
> >   program called "Numbers." It's about Charlie, a
> >   mathematics professor, and his brother an F.B.I.
> >   agent. Charlie is a genius who uses math to
> solve
> >   crimes for his brother.
> >   He represses his feelings because he is
> >   uncomfortable with them. He is uncomfortable
> with
> > them
> >   because he doesn't trust them. He can't prove
> > them. He
> >   has nothing to measure them against. He comes
> > close to
> >   our idea of the "mad scientist" who is a
> recluse.
> > My
> >   children still think of me like that, but I am
> so
> > not
> >   like that.
> >   True, when working on something, I am incredibly
> >   focused, but not at all like Charlie where it's
> > normal
> >   for him to be "in his shell," as Mama called it.
> >   So, all this leads to why I wanted to give my
> own
> >   family the magic of Christmas.
> >   At least for my son, who is my first born, I
> know
> >   from his special phone call to me last night
> that
> > I
> >   succeeded.
> >   I am beginning to see signs in my daughter, a
> new
> >   mother with her own little girl. After long
> years,
> >   that's encouraging.
> >   Later, Carol
> >   --- Faye Silliman <eyafydal@...> wrote:
>
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Dear Faye,
     Okay! It's on! Thanks.
      Later, Carol
--- Faye Silliman <eyafydal@...> wrote:

> Carol,
>
> Just write like you do to us.  It's that simple and
> beautiful.
>
> :)
>
> Tootles,
> Faye
>
>
> --- Carol Singh <csinghworthington@...> wrote:
>
> > Dear Bob,
> >    Thanks! As to publishers, I know! It's easier,
> > though, to publish nonfiction than fiction, to
> > publish
> > cookbooks than just about anything else. But,
> > doesn't
> > the cookbook craze stand to reason? That is, given
> > the
> > media hype on the "obesity epidemic."
> >    To date I've published academic articles and
> had
> > newspapers publish my stuff, as I call it, or
> > commend
> > me for my stuff. That's about it. However, I have
> > never submitted anything anywhere else except for
> > poetry. Even then, my submissions have been so few
> > and
> > far between that I have garnered fewer than 10
> > rejection slips.
> >     When it comes to writing on oneself, a writer
> > has
> > to hit a common chord in a very broad
> > audience--motherhood, Horatio Alger, lessons
> learned
> > or to aim at the other extreme for a special
> > audience
> > like a popular minority. Amy Tan comes to mind and
> > Maya Angelou. Both reach out and appeal to our
> > common
> > humanity. The result is an audience far, far
> beyond
> > that of their roots.
> >     A Tarheel example is the novel Look Homeward,
> > Angel. It, too, has universal apeal.
> >     In recent months, several of our Tarheels have
> > won
> > acclaim for the "sense of place" in their novels.
> I
> > do
> > think that I can capture that, but differently or
> in
> > any case effectively enough that an editor
> wouldn't
> > ask what makes this one stand out? Is it a sure
> > winner, or a shot in the dark? I don't know. I've
> > been
> > working on that.
> >     Essayists like Joan Didion have had amazing
> > runs.
> > I've been astounded at it, still am.
> >     In writing about family, I simply write from
> the
> > heart. With the exception of Chronicles II, I
> don't
> > actually go with a plan but with an experience.
> > Consistently, I try to write so that my reader has
> > an
> > experience. I work from the inside out, not from
> the
> > outside in. I play with distance like a camera:
> > close-ups and zoom shots. I cut to the chase. I
> have
> > fun. I want the reader to have fun too. It's the
> > same
> > with colleagues at work. I knock myself out so
> that
> > they will want to be there, maybe even be no place
> > else but there.
> >     Right now, as the clerks say on "Are You Being
> > Served?", I am free. My exam was this morning. The
> > semester is over.
> >     I can celebrate and put together a manuscript.
> I
> > promise you, though, that whatever it is, I will
> > knock
> > myself out.
> >     I've tossed out a couple of drafts already. I
> > wasn't really satisfied with them.
> >     I'd welcome any suggestion from you. Let's see
> > what I can do.
> >     Later, Carol
> > --- Bob Forbes <bforbes@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Carol - Faye is right, of course. You have told
> a
> > > number of stories over the years in these posts
> > that
> > > I could see being woven into a book, with the
> help
> > > of a good editor and publisher. I would envision
> a
> > > title something like, "The Wisdom of Mama and
> > Uncle
> > > Mark" or perhaps something even shorter,
> catchier.
> >
> > > I have a couple of relatives who are fairly
> > > accomplished writers, and might be willing to
> > review
> > > a draft manuscript... give you some pointers.
> But
> > > finding a publisher -- that's a whole different
> > > matter.  I'm told that several hundred (if not a
> > > thousand or two) new manuscripts come out every
> > DAY,
> > > looking for a publisher. I know some writers who
> > > have worked on the craft all their lives and
> still
> > > cannot find a publisher willing to risk the
> > expense
> > > of mass production. Luckily, self-publishing is
> > > becoming an easier task for those who are
> willing
> > to
> > > risk some of their own $$ -- what generally
> > amounts
> > > to several thousand dollars to do it right.  One
> > > thing I've found out by following the careers of
> a
> > > few writer friends and relatives -- the world of
> > > professional writing is very competitive and not
> > > very kind!
> > > Bob Forbes
> > > bforbes@...
> > >
> > >   ----- Original Message -----
> > >   From: Carol Singh
> > >   To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
> > >   Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 7:34 PM
> > >   Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] A man's Christmas
> > > passages....
> > >
> > >
> > >   Dear Faye,
> > >   It's so generous of you to share your
> thoughts.
> > >   Thank you very much.
> > >   Mama and Uncle Mark were incredibly strong and
> > >   wise. I always felt I was lacking that special
> > >   something that they had--compassion,
> > selflessness,
> > > and
> > >   wisdom. With the wisdom came self-examination
> > and
> > >   self-knowledge, the ability to ask questions
> and
> > > to
> > >   lose without demeaning oneself--equating
> losing
> > > with
> > >   being a loser. Even yet, I continue to work on
> > > those
> > >   last ones. What was so natural for Mama and
> > Uncle
> > > Mark
> > >   were so unnatural for me.
> > >   I think the difference was that I wanted more
> > than
> > >   anything for them to be proud of me, and I
> > equated
> > >   that with never having to say "I don't know."
> > >   What I did not understand from the very
> > beginning
> > >   was that they were proud of me. I did not have
> > to
> > >   "make" them proud of me.
> > >   Because of my feelings, I walked a very
> careful
> > >   path with my own children, perhaps too careful
> a
> > > path.
> > >   I was fearful that they would love me too much
> > and
> > >   think me much stronger and wiser than I
> actually
> > > was.
> > >   If they did, then they might think less of
> > > themselves
> > >   and of their abilities.
> > >   What happened was their thinking I didn't care
> > >   about them, that I lived in the world of
> ideas.
> > > The
> > >   truth was very different.
> > >   I enjoyed ideas. I loved people and loved them
> > for
> > >   themselves, not for their ideas.
> > >   I do not know if where you are there is the
> t.v.
>
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--- Carol Singh <csinghworthington@...> wrote:

> Dear Faye,
>     Okay! It's on! Thanks.
>      Later, Carol
> --- Faye Silliman <eyafydal@...> wrote:
>
> > Carol,
> >
> > Just write like you do to us.  It's that simple
> and
> > beautiful.
> >
> > :)
> >
> > Tootles,
> > Faye
> >
> >
> > --- Carol Singh <csinghworthington@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Bob,
> > >    Thanks! As to publishers, I know! It's
> easier,
> > > though, to publish nonfiction than fiction, to
> > > publish
> > > cookbooks than just about anything else. But,
> > > doesn't
> > > the cookbook craze stand to reason? That is,
> given
> > > the
> > > media hype on the "obesity epidemic."
> > >    To date I've published academic articles and
> > had
> > > newspapers publish my stuff, as I call it, or
> > > commend
> > > me for my stuff. That's about it. However, I
> have
> > > never submitted anything anywhere else except
> for
> > > poetry. Even then, my submissions have been so
> few
> > > and
> > > far between that I have garnered fewer than 10
> > > rejection slips.
> > >     When it comes to writing on oneself, a
> writer
> > > has
> > > to hit a common chord in a very broad
> > > audience--motherhood, Horatio Alger, lessons
> > learned
> > > or to aim at the other extreme for a special
> > > audience
> > > like a popular minority. Amy Tan comes to mind
> and
> > > Maya Angelou. Both reach out and appeal to our
> > > common
> > > humanity. The result is an audience far, far
> > beyond
> > > that of their roots.
> > >     A Tarheel example is the novel Look
> Homeward,
> > > Angel. It, too, has universal apeal.
> > >     In recent months, several of our Tarheels
> have
> > > won
> > > acclaim for the "sense of place" in their
> novels.
> > I
> > > do
> > > think that I can capture that, but differently
> or
> > in
> > > any case effectively enough that an editor
> > wouldn't
> > > ask what makes this one stand out? Is it a sure
> > > winner, or a shot in the dark? I don't know.
> I've
> > > been
> > > working on that.
> > >     Essayists like Joan Didion have had amazing
> > > runs.
> > > I've been astounded at it, still am.
> > >     In writing about family, I simply write from
> > the
> > > heart. With the exception of Chronicles II, I
> > don't
> > > actually go with a plan but with an experience.
> > > Consistently, I try to write so that my reader
> has
> > > an
> > > experience. I work from the inside out, not from
> > the
> > > outside in. I play with distance like a camera:
> > > close-ups and zoom shots. I cut to the chase. I
> > have
> > > fun. I want the reader to have fun too. It's the
> > > same
> > > with colleagues at work. I knock myself out so
> > that
> > > they will want to be there, maybe even be no
> place
> > > else but there.
> > >     Right now, as the clerks say on "Are You
> Being
> > > Served?", I am free. My exam was this morning.
> The
> > > semester is over.
> > >     I can celebrate and put together a
> manuscript.
> > I
> > > promise you, though, that whatever it is, I will
> > > knock
> > > myself out.
> > >     I've tossed out a couple of drafts already.
> I
> > > wasn't really satisfied with them.
> > >     I'd welcome any suggestion from you. Let's
> see
> > > what I can do.
> > >     Later, Carol
> > > --- Bob Forbes <bforbes@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Carol - Faye is right, of course. You have
> told
> > a
> > > > number of stories over the years in these
> posts
> > > that
> > > > I could see being woven into a book, with the
> > help
> > > > of a good editor and publisher. I would
> envision
> > a
> > > > title something like, "The Wisdom of Mama and
> > > Uncle
> > > > Mark" or perhaps something even shorter,
> > catchier.
> > >
> > > > I have a couple of relatives who are fairly
> > > > accomplished writers, and might be willing to
> > > review
> > > > a draft manuscript... give you some pointers.
> > But
> > > > finding a publisher -- that's a whole
> different
> > > > matter.  I'm told that several hundred (if not
> a
> > > > thousand or two) new manuscripts come out
> every
> > > DAY,
> > > > looking for a publisher. I know some writers
> who
> > > > have worked on the craft all their lives and
> > still
> > > > cannot find a publisher willing to risk the
> > > expense
> > > > of mass production. Luckily, self-publishing
> is
> > > > becoming an easier task for those who are
> > willing
> > > to
> > > > risk some of their own $$ -- what generally
> > > amounts
> > > > to several thousand dollars to do it right.
> One
> > > > thing I've found out by following the careers
> of
> > a
> > > > few writer friends and relatives -- the world
> of
> > > > professional writing is very competitive and
> not
> > > > very kind!
> > > > Bob Forbes
> > > > bforbes@...
> > > >
> > > >   ----- Original Message -----
> > > >   From: Carol Singh
> > > >   To: genpcncfir@yahoogroups.com
> > > >   Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 7:34 PM
> > > >   Subject: Re: [genpcncfir] A man's Christmas
> > > > passages....
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >   Dear Faye,
> > > >   It's so generous of you to share your
> > thoughts.
> > > >   Thank you very much.
> > > >   Mama and Uncle Mark were incredibly strong
> and
> > > >   wise. I always felt I was lacking that
> special
> > > >   something that they had--compassion,
> > > selflessness,
> > > > and
> > > >   wisdom. With the wisdom came
> self-examination
> > > and
> > > >   self-knowledge, the ability to ask questions
> > and
> > > > to
>
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