Working backwards from 1900 -

1900 Cassville, Bartow, Georgia (race: white)
Peace, George W, head 39 married 17 yrs born Oct 1860 GA:GA:GA
(), Tempie F, wife 35 married 17 yrs born Dec 1864 FL:GA:GA
- 9 children 7 living
(), Major L/15, Eva B/14, Ethel/12, John T/10
(), Jessie L/6, Lois D/2, Cora J/9m

Here's a possible in 1880 - (not from FL) -
1880 District 1085, Bibb, Georgia (race: black)
Braswell, Willis/40:GA:GA:GA/barber, Josephine/30:GA:GA:VA,
(), Tempie/17:GA:GA:GA, Tishey/14, Jimmie/12
(), Volie/9, Livia/7, Willie/4, Minnie/2
Hill, Warren/8
1870 Subdivision 8, Bibb, Georgia (race: mulatto)
Bragwell(?), Willis/28/barber, Josephine/26,
(), Tempy/10, Tissue/4, James/2

A different possible in 1870 - (not from FL) -
1870 Subdivision 8, Bibb, Georgia (race: white)
Braswell, Temperance/42:GA, Martha S/12,
(), Victoria/8, Temperance/6:GA, Robert T/15
Tharpe, John/38

At Ancestry.com, there are 6 Public Member Trees that mention Temperance
Bracewell (b.ca.1864) m. George Peace - some say she was born FL, some say born
GA. (one includes a pic of her tombstone.)

- Tom Knox


--- In genealogyresearchclub@yahoogroups.com, "Traci" <gahighlander0318@...>
wrote:
>
> Temperance Frances Bracewell
> b. 24 Dec. 1864, FL
> m. George Washington Peace - 1881, Adairsville, GA.
> d. 9 Dec. 1900, Kingston, GA.
>
> Thanks for any info.
>
> Traci in Texas

Thank you, Tom. I had some of this info, but most of it is new to me. I will
definitely check into this further. Yes, the GA -FL thing has been a thorn in my
side. Hopefully I will be able to figure this out.

Again, thanks for the help!

Traci in Texas

--- On Mon, 11/8/10, Ahliss Helton <ahliss98@...> wrote:


From: Ahliss Helton <ahliss98@...>
Subject: Fw: Re: Looking For Family After 1850 Census In Arkansas
To: genealogyresearchclub@yahoogroups.com
Cc: ahliss98@...
Date: Monday, November 8, 2010, 2:23 AM








--- On Mon, 11/8/10, Ahliss Helton <ahliss98@...> wrote:


From: Ahliss Helton <ahliss98@...>
Subject: Re: Looking For Family After 1850 Census In Arkansas
To: genealogyresearchclub@yahoogroups.com
Cc: "Alice" <ahliss98@...>
Date: Monday, November 8, 2010, 2:12 AM







I am having same problem not finding family after 1850 census.Seward Battle b
1814 NY d 1850's Faithy Laster Battle b 1823 MO d 1883 AR daughter Louisa Battle
b 1836 son Henry Battle b 1842 Nancy Battle b 1848 d 1900's. The children were
born in AR. I found Nancy going to court 1853 as a witness Faithy going to court
1883 as witness before she died. I can find Nancy 1870's getting married to
James Winchester also 1880 census, 1900 census. I cannot find where Faithy and
family were living after Seward dies.They were living in Saline, Saline Arkansas
on 1850 census. But after census nothing but the court appearances.
 
Thank You !
Alice Helton Smith






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Hi Guys!  How common or (uncommon I am sure) would it have been for a married
couple to get a divorce in Arkansas (the south) during the 1860's.  (at that
time they lived around the Helena, Phillips County, Arkansas area.)  It would
have been between 1869-1870 time frame.  I realize that that is right in the
midst of the Civil War, etc.  I really thought during that era it was
considered
a disgrace to get a divorce especially for the woman.  She would have been
considered "loose" etc. 


I am sure the records for divorces then are harder to research than any other
records.  Probably non existent! : ( 

Let me know what you think!

Thanks!
Jenni




________________________________
From: flints <flints@...>
To: genealogyresearchclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, November 7, 2010 3:56:40 PM
Subject: [Genealogy Research Club] RE: Need Research Ideas

 
Look at your history lessons. You may never be able to find
this family for the 1860 time frame. The country was in
turmoil with the civil war (and events leading up to it),
and some intentionally didn't want to be found or kept a low
profile (were they helping runaway slaves? or other reasons
to keep off the government's "radar") Sometimes sickness
took the whole family out (I've a brother-in-law who's dad
grew up w/his grandparents and no other family members...FT
Knox, KY, 1917 time frame...looking at history, I'm thinking
influenza killed off his family.) Sometimes we won't know
for sure, but looking at historical events can give us a
"guestimate"

Another thought...look for wierd spellings the census worker
might have used. A name in our family tree was Crottier. I
finally found it under "Groateer"

Liz in VA
----- Original Message -----
From: shannonlind
To: genealogyresearchclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 12:20 PM
Subject: [Genealogy Research Club] Need Research Ideas

Where to turn???

I'm banging my head against a brick wall and I need some new
ideas….

Where do you turn when a family seems to have left no
records? I have a family that shows up in the 1850 census.
The HOH is a shoemaker and they have no real estate value
listed (assuming that they own no real estate). The other
members of the household are his wife and a small son. I
haven't been able to find them in any other censuses.

The son shows up in his own household in the 1870 census
with a wife, a son, and a stepson. The HOH is a railroad
laborer and, again, seemingly owns no property. This family
is on the 1880 census with an additional child and the
wife's mother living with them. The father is still a
railroad worker and no real estate is noted.

In 1900, his son shows up in a household as a house painter
who is renting a house. This information remains essentially
the same until the 1920 census when the census indicates
that the family now owns a home.

So, I've got two full generations that have no property to
their names. They show up in limited censuses, and they
lived before vital records were recorded in a central
location. I have searched for wills/probate records
(briefly) but haven't found any. I assume it's because there
was no land/property to pass on?

What's my next step? What other records should I be
searching?

Any ideas MUCH appreciated!




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Also, in some states there are the state census records (sometimes called state
tax rolls).  These are short census that are taken for the state's statistics
and other things, but they are done "on the 5's".. ie: 2005, 2015 etc...
This is how I was, finally, able to narrow down when GGGM-in-law was committed
to an in Topeka State Hospital and was able to obtain some records (sterilized),
and copies of a few letters from other family members to both her and her
doctor.  It actually states on her release papers "Paroled", so we know that the
family story was probably true.

Anyway, here is one of the links to check to see if the state you need has any
records (both available to the public and if that state/county had digitalized
it and put it online for public viewing:

  http://publicrecords.netronline.com/default.aspx

There are many other ways to find out if the state/county/city (town?) has any
public records and that they are available online..
One way is to check thru Cindi's List (http://cyndislist.com/), find the area in
question and see if there was a tax list/assessors/ State Census (Kansas State
Census started 1855, for instance).

Just a thought.

Happy wall banging!!  The more you bang the more likeliy something will fall
out! Just think about the joys when you can stop banging because you broke throu
that wall!  I know I was estatic when I confirmed that GGGM was committed to
that hospital!.  lol

If you do not have Ancestry.com, you can either go for their 14-day free trial
(if you haven't already done that!) or let me know and I'll be more than happy
to check to see if anything is there.  I will need a few more of the details..
like: the specific dates and places that are known or suspected)

Jean

--- In genealogyresearchclub@yahoogroups.com, "kay f" <kay_fredricks@...> wrote:
>
> Here are a couple of ideas that might work. 1. If you don't have paid
subscription to Ancestry.com for home use, go to the library where you can use
theirs. Look for City Directories. 2. Try reading local histories of the city
from that time period also, you can usually find them on Heritage Quest, also
through your library. Google Books may also have some Local History records as
well. 3. Post on genealogy message boards with names and dates, you will be
surprised who might have information. 4. Check cemetery records at
findagrave.com checking for families buried in the same cemetery, many are now
cross-linked to show family association.5. footnote.com is also good source for
information. They are now owned by Ancestry.com so there will be fees but
sometimes they run free specials. I don't know if the libraries are now offering
access to this as well as ancestry.com.
>
> --- In genealogyresearchclub@yahoogroups.com, "shannonlind" <sdlind@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Where to turn???
> >
> > I'm banging my head against a brick wall and I need some new ideas….
> >
> > Where do you turn when a family seems to have left no records?  I have a
family that shows up in the 1850 census.  The HOH is a shoemaker and they have
no real estate value listed (assuming that they own no real estate).  The other
members of the household are his wife and a small son.  I haven't been able to
find them in any other censuses.
> .....................
> >message stripped
> >
> >
> > Any ideas MUCH appreciated!
> >
>

I have some records I can search.
Are you positive of the decade?
I noticed "Coe" in your email addy; is that the last name u r looking into?
If so, are they Coe, John S vs nancy J. ?
Thanks
Sunny




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not non existant.
would u like to share who u r looking for so we can look?
sunny


From: Jenni
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 4:56 PM
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Subject: [Genealogy Research Club] Divorce in the 1860's?


Hi Guys!  How common or (uncommon I am sure) would it have been for a married
couple to get a divorce in Arkansas (the south) during the 1860's.  (at that
time they lived around the Helena, Phillips County, Arkansas area.)  It would
have been between 1869-1870 time frame.  I realize that that is right in the
midst of the Civil War, etc.  I really thought during that era it was considered
a disgrace to get a divorce especially for the woman.  She would have been
considered "loose" etc.


I am sure the records for divorces then are harder to research than any other
records.  Probably non existent! : (

Let me know what you think!

Thanks!
Jenni




________________________________
From: flints <flints@...>
To: genealogyresearchclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, November 7, 2010 3:56:40 PM
Subject: [Genealogy Research Club] RE: Need Research Ideas


Look at your history lessons. You may never be able to find
this family for the 1860 time frame. The country was in
turmoil with the civil war (and events leading up to it),
and some intentionally didn't want to be found or kept a low
profile (were they helping runaway slaves? or other reasons
to keep off the government's "radar") Sometimes sickness
took the whole family out (I've a brother-in-law who's dad
grew up w/his grandparents and no other family members...FT
Knox, KY, 1917 time frame...looking at history, I'm thinking
influenza killed off his family.) Sometimes we won't know
for sure, but looking at historical events can give us a
"guestimate"

Another thought...look for wierd spellings the census worker
might have used. A name in our family tree was Crottier. I
finally found it under "Groateer"

Liz in VA
----- Original Message -----
From: shannonlind
To: genealogyresearchclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 12:20 PM
Subject: [Genealogy Research Club] Need Research Ideas

Where to turn???

I'm banging my head against a brick wall and I need some new
ideas….

Where do you turn when a family seems to have left no
records? I have a family that shows up in the 1850 census.
The HOH is a shoemaker and they have no real estate value
listed (assuming that they own no real estate). The other
members of the household are his wife and a small son. I
haven't been able to find them in any other censuses.

The son shows up in his own household in the 1870 census
with a wife, a son, and a stepson. The HOH is a railroad
laborer and, again, seemingly owns no property. This family
is on the 1880 census with an additional child and the
wife's mother living with them. The father is still a
railroad worker and no real estate is noted.

In 1900, his son shows up in a household as a house painter
who is renting a house. This information remains essentially
the same until the 1920 census when the census indicates
that the family now owns a home.

So, I've got two full generations that have no property to
their names. They show up in limited censuses, and they
lived before vital records were recorded in a central
location. I have searched for wills/probate records
(briefly) but haven't found any. I assume it's because there
was no land/property to pass on?

What's my next step? What other records should I be
searching?

Any ideas MUCH appreciated!




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I'm relatively new to this research, but I do remember hearing that before a
certain year only the head of household was listed on the census. Unfortunately,
I don't remember what year that changed. If the husband died, perhaps his widow
and family moved in with another family member and that's why you don't find
them in the census.
Sorry that's my best guess.
Jennifer

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Subject: [Genealogy Research Club] Fw: Re: Looking For Family After 1850 Census
In Arkansas
































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From: Ahliss Helton <ahliss98@...>

Subject: Fw: Re: Looking For Family After 1850 Census In Arkansas

To: genealogyresearchclub@yahoogroups.com

Cc: ahliss98@...

Date: Monday, November 8, 2010, 2:23 AM



--- On Mon, 11/8/10, Ahliss Helton <ahliss98@...> wrote:



From: Ahliss Helton <ahliss98@...>

Subject: Re: Looking For Family After 1850 Census In Arkansas

To: genealogyresearchclub@yahoogroups.com

Cc: "Alice" <ahliss98@...>

Date: Monday, November 8, 2010, 2:12 AM



I am having same problem not finding family after 1850 census.Seward Battle b
1814 NY d 1850's Faithy Laster Battle b 1823 MO d 1883 AR daughter Louisa Battle
b 1836 son Henry Battle b 1842 Nancy Battle b 1848 d 1900's. The children were
born in AR. I found Nancy going to court 1853 as a witness Faithy going to court
1883 as witness before she died. I can find Nancy 1870's getting married to
James Winchester also 1880 census, 1900 census. I cannot find where Faithy and
family were living after Seward dies.They were living in Saline, Saline Arkansas
on 1850 census. But after census nothing but the court appearances.



Thank You !

Alice Helton Smith



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Hello all

If you are interested in German videos on Prussia, I have placed 2 videos on
Marienburg, the Seat of the Teutonic Order on ManyRoads:

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mfg
...mark

Hi Sunny,
  No the names are very different.  But good try!  You sound like me trying
to
search for any clue I can get!! : )
  Here is the info-   Nancy J. Berry Bankston Rogers (or Rodgers) married to
Joseph Rogers /Rodgers.  (I have never seen them together in any census in the
same household).
  Nancy J. Rogers (Rodgers) is in the 1870 census of Phillips County, Arkansas
in Searcy Township aged 24 with her 2 children.  By themselves.  The children
are Ida aged 4 and Berry aged around 6 months.  Nancy is stated to be a
farmer. 
Nancy J. Rogers (Rodgers) are and 2 children are all born in Arkansas.
  Ok-  on the SAME Census about 10 lines down in a totally different household
there IS a Joseph Rogers farmer aged 29 with 2 single males also in their
20's. 
The 2 single males are from Germany (or somewhere like that I can't
remember.)  The 2 single males are laborers. 

  S0- if this Joseph Rogers (Rodgers) IS her husband what is the deal with him
living in a totally separate household as the head of house hold???  (My Rogers
ancestors drive me crazy- they really do not like to give up information very
easily! LOL
  Thanks Sunny for trying to help.  
  Jenni : )
 



________________________________
From: s <circa_1948@...>
To: genealogyresearchclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, November 8, 2010 4:39:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Genealogy Research Club] Divorce in the 1860's?

 
I have some records I can search.
Are you positive of the decade?
I noticed "Coe" in your email addy; is that the last name u r looking into?
If so, are they Coe, John S vs nancy J. ?
Thanks
Sunny

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Hello everyone

I have just published another batch of videos on ManyRoads, these cover the Land
of the Teutonic Knights.

They are viewable here:

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...mark

hello i am looking for nay information on my mums friend jenny pinnock she gre
up in teh riply area nr surrey england ,she would be in her mid to late60's now.
she was te daughter f elsie
jenny married robert mcfadyean and they ad three children sarah andrew and
kirsty
they moved to scotland and mum adn jenny lost touch any info would be wonderful
although a long shot i know
thanks

my maternal great-grandparents were boris [b.april29,1881 lithuania]  and
catherine{katherine][b.1885 kovna, russia] washileski[sic]lasco.  boris arrived
in the us in 1900 with catherine following in 1902.i cannot find out what their
name was before it was changed upon coming into this country, therefore i cant
find out where they arrived.i know it was changed as my mother had to have her
birth certificate changed when she went to get her drivers license. they settled
in union county new jersey.any help would be appreciated.everyone who would have
known has passed away.   thanks so much,  jean evans dixon

Does anyone have a copy of "Weber-Weaver History - Descendants of Henry Weber
1690-1745" by M. G. Weaver/ W. Banks Weaver (Juniata Globe, Thompsontown, Pa.;
1966)? I dont have access to this book, but it's referred to as a source by
another book. I am trying to unravel a mystery. I would appreciate if someone
could lookup some information for me.

Thanks for your assistance.

Carolyn (and others)
FYI
POPULATION CENSUS ITEMS


1790-1980: includes supplemental schedules open to the public; excludes
questions asked on a sample basis only

1790: Name of family head; free white males of 16 years and up, free white males
under 16; free white females; salves; other persons.

1800: Name of family head; if white, age and sex; race; slaves

1810: Name of family head; if white, age and sex; race; slaves

1820: Name of family head; age; sex; race; foreigners not naturalized; slaves;
industry (agriculture, commerce, and manufactures)

1830: Name of family head; age; sex; race; slaves; deaf and dumb; blind;
foreigners not naturalized

1840: Name of family head; age; sex; race; slaves; number of deaf and dumb;
number of blind; number of insane and idiotic and whether in public or private
charge; number of persons in each family employed in each of six classes of
industry and one of occupation; literacy; pensioners for Revolutionary or
military service.

1850: Name; age; sex; race; whether deaf and dumb, blind, insane, or idiotic;
value of real estate; occupation; birthplace; whether married within the year;
school attendance; literacy; whether a pauper or convict.

Supplemental schedules for slaves; public paupers and criminals; person who died
during the year.

1860: Name; age; sex; race; value of real estate; value of personal estate;
occupation; birthplace; whether married within the year; school attendance;
literacy; whether deaf and dumb; blind, insane, idiotic, pauper, or convict;
number of slave houses.

Supplemental schedules for slaves; public paupers and criminals; persons who
died during the year.

1870: Name; age; race; occupation; value of real estate; value of personal
estate; birthplace; whether parents were foreign born; month of birth if born
within the year; month of marriage if married within the year; school
attendance; literacy; whether deaf and dumb, blind, insane, or idiotic; male
citizens 21 and over, and number of such persons denied the right to vote for
other than rebellion.

Supplemental schedules for persons who died during the year; paupers; prisoners.

1880: Address; name; relationship to family head; sex; race; age; marital
status; month of birth if born within the census year; occupation; months
unemployed during the year; sickness or temporary disability; whether blind,
deaf and dumb, idiotic, insane, maimed, crippled, bedridden, or otherwise
disabled; school attendance; literacy; birthplace of person and parents.

Supplemental schedules for the Indian population; for parents who died during
the year; insane, idiots; deaf-mutes; blind; homeless children; prisoners;
paupers and indigent person.

1890: General schedules - destroyed. Supplemental schedules for Union veterans
of the Civil War and their widows.

1900: Address; name; relationship to family head; sex; race; age; marital
status; number of years married; for women, number of children born and number
now living; birthplace of person and parents; if foreign born, year of
immigration and whether naturalized; occupation; months not employed; school
attendance; literacy; ability to speak English; whether on a farm; home owned or
rented and if owned, whether mortgaged.

1910: Address; name; relationship to family head; sex; race; age; marital
status; number of years of present marriage; for women, number of children born
and number now biving; birthplace and mother tongue of persons and parents; if
foreign born, year of immigration, whether naturalized, and whether able to
speak English, or if not, language spoken; occupation, industry, and class of
worker; if an employee, whether out of work during year; literacy; school
attendance; home owned or rented; if owned, whether mortgaged; whether farm or
house; whether a survivor of Union or Confederate Army or Navy; whether blind or
deaf and dumb.

1920: Address; name; relationship to family head; sex; race; age; marital
status; if foreign born; year of immigration to the U.S, whether naturalized,
and year of naturalization; school attendance; literacy; birthplace of person
and parents; mother tongue of foreign born; ability to speak English;
occupation, industry; and class of worker; home owned or rented; if owned,
whether free or mortgaged.

1930: Address; name; relationship to family head; home owned or rented; value or
monthly rental; radio set; whether on a farm; sex; race; age; marital status;
age at first marriage; school attendance; literacy; birthplace of person and
parents; if foreign born, language spoken in home before coming to U.S., year of
immigration, whether naturalized, and ability to speak English; occupation,
industry, and class of worker; whether at work previous day (or last regular
working day); veteran status; for Indians, whether of full or mixed blood, and
tribal affiliation.

1940: Address; home owned or rented; value or monthly rental; whether on a farm;
name; relationship to household head; sex, race; age; marital status; school
attendance; educational attainment; birthplace; citizenship of foreign born;
location of residence 5 years ago and whether on a farm; employment status; if
at work, whether in private or non-emergency government work, or in public
emergency work (WPA, CCC, NYA, etc.); if in private or non-emergency government
work, hours worked in week; if seeking work or on public emergency work,
duration of unemployment; occupation, industry, and class of worker; weeks
worked last year; income last year.

1950: Address; whether house is on farm; name; relationship to household head;
race; sex; age; marital status; birthplace; if foreign born, whether
naturalized; employment status; hours worked in week; occupation, industry, and
class of worker.

1960 and 1970: Address; name; relationship to household head; sex; race; age;
marital status.

1980: Address; name; household relationship; sex; race; age; marital status;
Spanish/Hispanic origin or descent.



Hope this helps,

Sunny



From: Jennifer Robb
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 12:46 PM
To: genealogyresearchclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Genealogy Research Club] Fw: Re: Looking For Family After 1850
Census In Arkansas



I'm relatively new to this research, but I do remember hearing that before a
certain year only the head of household was listed on the census. Unfortunately,
I don't remember what year that changed.

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Hello all

Once again there are new videos on ManyRoads.  These are about East Prussia and
the legacy of Stalin.

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...mark

1930 Elizabeth, Union, New Jersey
Lisowski, Boris/48/imm:1896, Catherine/42/imm:1901,
(), (Boris Jr), (Helen), (both names crossed out, no ages listed),
Alexander/22, Michel/19, Stefana/17, Geneive/14, John/12

1920 Elizabeth City Ward 1, Union, New Jersey
Lasco, Borse/42:Vil, Kate/35:Kov, Borse/15, Helen/13,
(), Alex/12, Mitchell/10, Stella/7, Jessie/4+1m , John/2+6m
NOTE: Vil = "Vilna Rus Lithuanian", Kov = "Kovna Rus Lithuanian"

Could this be the same family in 1910?
I'm looking at the surname as a variant of the 1930 surname -
1910 Elizabeth Ward 1, Union, New Jersey
Lesovski, Bolestaw/30:Russ, Carmeron/27:Russ,
- married 8 yrs; 3 children, 3 living
(), Bolestaw/6, Helen/4, Alexandra/2/dau
NOTE: Alexandra is listed as daughter.
Personal anecdote: in his "first census", my grandfather Alvin is listed as
"daughter Alvina" - so, census enumerations can be in error. (Oftentimes, the
enumerator was trying to write down what they thought they heard - which could
be problematic, if there was a heavy accent.)

Hmm! Are there two Boris's with similar children's names,
both in Elizabeth, Union, NJ, both married to Catherine's,
both working at SINGER, but with different birthdates?

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
Name:  Boris Lisowski
Address:  137 Bond St, Elizabeth, Union, New Jersey
Birth Date:  10 Apr 1877
FHL Roll Number:  1712097
Occupation: Annaler, Singer Manf. Co.
Nearest Relative: Katie Lisowski (same address)

U.S. World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942
Name:  Boris Lasco
Birth Date:  29 Apr 1881
Birth Place:  Lithuania
Residence:  270 Salem Road, Union, Union, New Jersey
Relative: Mrs. Catherine Lasco (same address)
Employer: Singer Man. Co., Elizabethport, Union, NJ

- Tom Knox


--- In genealogyresearchclub@yahoogroups.com, "jean d" <greeneyes08829@...>
wrote:
>
>   my maternal great-grandparents were boris [b.april29,1881 lithuania]  and
catherine{katherine][b.1885 kovna, russia] washileski[sic]lasco.  boris arrived
in the us in 1900 with catherine following in 1902.i cannot find out what their
name was before it was changed upon coming into this country, therefore i cant
find out where they arrived.i know it was changed as my mother had to have her
birth certificate changed when she went to get her drivers license. they settled
in union county new jersey.any help would be appreciated.everyone who would have
known has passed away.   thanks so much,  jean evans dixon
>

Thank u so much. These are all my grandfathers family. I had the pleasure of
knowing all of them except for boris sr. The e older children were crossed out
om the 1920 census as they were married. I even have many pictures lefr to me by
my grandmotherm you have knocked my brick wall down my brick wall. Thanks so
much again. Jean
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Bloodhound; Kermit" <tomknox2001@...>
Sender: genealogyresearchclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 20:06:09
To: <genealogyresearchclub@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: genealogyresearchclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Genealogy Research Club] Re: brick wall, boris and catherine LASCO

1930 Elizabeth, Union, New Jersey
Lisowski, Boris/48/imm:1896, Catherine/42/imm:1901,
(), (Boris Jr), (Helen), (both names crossed out, no ages listed),
Alexander/22, Michel/19, Stefana/17, Geneive/14, John/12

1920 Elizabeth City Ward 1, Union, New Jersey
Lasco, Borse/42:Vil, Kate/35:Kov, Borse/15, Helen/13,
(), Alex/12, Mitchell/10, Stella/7, Jessie/4+1m , John/2+6m
NOTE: Vil = "Vilna Rus Lithuanian", Kov = "Kovna Rus Lithuanian"

Could this be the same family in 1910?
I'm looking at the surname as a variant of the 1930 surname -
1910 Elizabeth Ward 1, Union, New Jersey
Lesovski, Bolestaw/30:Russ, Carmeron/27:Russ,
- married 8 yrs; 3 children, 3 living
(), Bolestaw/6, Helen/4, Alexandra/2/dau
NOTE: Alexandra is listed as daughter.
Personal anecdote: in his "first census", my grandfather Alvin is listed as
"daughter Alvina" - so, census enumerations can be in error. (Oftentimes, the
enumerator was trying to write down what they thought they heard - which could
be problematic, if there was a heavy accent.)

Hmm! Are there two Boris's with similar children's names,
both in Elizabeth, Union, NJ, both married to Catherine's,
both working at SINGER, but with different birthdates?

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
Name:  Boris Lisowski
Address:  137 Bond St, Elizabeth, Union, New Jersey
Birth Date:  10 Apr 1877
FHL Roll Number:  1712097
Occupation: Annaler, Singer Manf. Co.
Nearest Relative: Katie Lisowski (same address)

U.S. World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942
Name:  Boris Lasco
Birth Date:  29 Apr 1881
Birth Place:  Lithuania
Residence:  270 Salem Road, Union, Union, New Jersey
Relative: Mrs. Catherine Lasco (same address)
Employer: Singer Man. Co., Elizabethport, Union, NJ

- Tom Knox


--- In genealogyresearchclub@yahoogroups.com, "jean d" <greeneyes08829@...>
wrote:
>
>   my maternal great-grandparents were boris [b.april29,1881 lithuania]  and
catherine{katherine][b.1885 kovna, russia] washileski[sic]lasco.  boris arrived
in the us in 1900 with catherine following in 1902.i cannot find out what their
name was before it was changed upon coming into this country, therefore i cant
find out where they arrived.i know it was changed as my mother had to have her
birth certificate changed when she went to get her drivers license. they settled
in union county new jersey.any help would be appreciated.everyone who would have
known has passed away.   thanks so much,  jean evans dixon
>





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Check genealogybooklinks.com  it's a good site for free online genealogy books
with a large number of family histories and biographies.  Also, there are books
by states.  The Ohio page is pretty good.


--- In genealogyresearchclub@yahoogroups.com, "timothyfcampbell"
<timothyfcampbell@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have a copy of "Weber-Weaver History - Descendants of Henry Weber
1690-1745" by M. G. Weaver/ W. Banks Weaver (Juniata Globe, Thompsontown, Pa.;
1966)? I dont have access to this book, but it's referred to as a source by
another book. I am trying to unravel a mystery. I would appreciate if someone
could lookup some information for me.
>
> Thanks for your assistance.
>

I've been searching for the ancestors of my great-great-grandfather Friedrich
William Wockenfuss for a long time.  With all the trouble I'm having, I wonder
if they're just not ready for me to find them.  It doesn't hurt to ask anyway.
 
I know that Friedrich was born Aug 17, 1838 in Strasburg, Germany.  However,
there's also a note on him that his birthplace might also be Kreaps,
Marienwerder. No idea where that is.  He has at least two siblings that I know
of: Julius Herman (born in what is now Brumburgh, Poland) and Wilhelmina
Ernestina (who married a man surnamed Harder) - (all I have for her birthplace
is West Prussia).
 
Friedrich's second youngest son is my great-grandfather, Louis (or Ludwig, as
it's written in a Baltimore census) Martin Wockenfuss.
 
Friedrich came to America in 1882 aboard the Koln from Germany, though I can't
remember the departure point, and landed in Maryland.  His second wife Augusta
and four children followed him in 1883.
 
Does anyone know where I could go to find information about his ancestors?  I
will be so grateful for any help.
 
Mary Wockenfuss




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Hi,
I have a Q?, for all of you.
How can I get others involved, in my research?
What I mean by that, is this:
I have been doing my Arney family genealogy research for decades, alone.With the
advent of the Internet, the cooperation of other Arney researchers, exploded
about 10 years ago.  They were in forums, message boards, groups, etc.However,
about 3-4 years ago, all of it came to a quick screeching halt.Many of those
researchers (from 10 years ago) are no longer accessible.Whether they simply
left the Internet, went into "assisted living facilities" or"passed away", is
unknown.  These were the enthusiastic researchers, whoenjoyed doing the
research, sharing information and ideas, and had the willingnessto help others.
Even though, there are still existing forums, groups, message boards, mailing
lists, etc.There seems to be no one actively doing this specific research, that
I can find.
I have posted, on these sites, imploring for people to speak up, to
announcetheir willingness to get involved and to help try to answer the
questions, thathave yet to be resolved, to solve the biggest mysteries,
etc.Alas, all of my attempts have fallen on "deaf cyber ears".
I have even joined forums, message boards, groups, mailing lists, etc.outside of
my specific research, trying to implore assistance in solvingquestions, I have
been unable to resolve or solve, by myself.Alas, still even these attempts, have
come up empty.
I do not have the financial resources, to travel the country, going tospecific
county archives, courthouses, libraries, etc.
I had hoped, that the Internet, would bring access to people, who hada common
mission, and would work together to solve these mysteries,but so far, I can see,
I'm probably 10 years too late.
Any possible suggestions, would be vastly appreciated.
Thank you for your time, consideration, and cooperation, I truly appreciate it.






















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--- In genealogyresearchclub@yahoogroups.com, "timothyfcampbell"
<timothyfcampbell@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have a copy of "Weber-Weaver History - Descendants of Henry Weber
1690-1745" by M. G. Weaver/ W. Banks Weaver (Juniata Globe, Thompsontown, Pa.;
1966)? I dont have access to this book, but it's referred to as a source by
another book. I am trying to unravel a mystery. I would appreciate if someone
could lookup some information for me.
>
> Thanks for your assistance.
>

Tim,
A large online collection of genealogy and local history books are available at
no charge at the web site of the Harold B. Lee Library at Brigham Young
University.
http://www.lib.byu.edu/fhc.
In addition, many books from all the collections are being scanned and made
available at http://www.lib.byu.edu/fhc.

Another great online books resource is at HeritageQuest Online. This web site is
free for most people as the only method of accessing it is through a subscribing
library. I can access it using my own library card, through their online access,
check if your public library carries it.

Google Books  is a wonderful, free resource for genealogists. Google created a
big stir when the company announced that it would start scanning books and
making the full text of millions of out-of-copyright books online. Books within
copyright are also available although limited in the amount of information that
may be retrieved. Google has since been working to make millions of books
available, and their effort is now beginning to pay off for genealogists.  
Start your search at  http://books.google.com

Good luck & Happy Hunting

also, do you use RAOGK or other resources that offer volunteers?


From: Stan Arney
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 8:27 AM
To: genealogyresearchclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Genealogy Research Club] How can I get others involved


Hi,
I have a Q?, for all of you.
How can I get others involved, in my research?
What I mean by that, is this:
I have been doing my Arney family genealogy research for decades, alone.With the
advent of the Internet, the cooperation of other Arney researchers, exploded
about 10 years ago.  They were in forums, message boards, groups, etc.However,
about 3-4 years ago, all of it came to a quick screeching halt.Many of those
researchers (from 10 years ago) are no longer accessible.Whether they simply
left the Internet, went into "assisted living facilities" or"passed away", is
unknown.  These were the enthusiastic researchers, whoenjoyed doing the
research, sharing information and ideas, and had the willingnessto help others.
Even though, there are still existing forums, groups, message boards, mailing
lists, etc.There seems to be no one actively doing this specific research, that
I can find.
I have posted, on these sites, imploring for people to speak up, to
announcetheir willingness to get involved and to help try to answer the
questions, thathave yet to be resolved, to solve the biggest mysteries,
etc.Alas, all of my attempts have fallen on "deaf cyber ears".
I have even joined forums, message boards, groups, mailing lists, etc.outside of
my specific research, trying to implore assistance in solvingquestions, I have
been unable to resolve or solve, by myself.Alas, still even these attempts, have
come up empty.
I do not have the financial resources, to travel the country, going tospecific
county archives, courthouses, libraries, etc.
I had hoped, that the Internet, would bring access to people, who hada common
mission, and would work together to solve these mysteries,but so far, I can see,
I'm probably 10 years too late.
Any possible suggestions, would be vastly appreciated.
Thank you for your time, consideration, and cooperation, I truly appreciate it.






















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I'd guess this is because 10 yrs ago there was a huge boom in genealogists
posting their info, prolly the majority. As younger generations mature they will
add theirs too, right now the majority of researchers are mature and have
already posted their info with no need to post more unless someone posts a Q
they can answer.
I myself am done with my researching in earnest and don't visit boards any
longer but have offers on there to help others if they need it with either the
black sheep searches I offer or info on my own lines one may share.
Not all searchers are interested in nailing info on every single name on their
lists as they r huge; just interested in closer lines.
Also, many people stopped participating in Ancestry and affiliated boards after
the fiasco in the news a couple yrs ago.
Suggestions? Just keep posting your queries and patiently wait for the next wave
of interest pops up.
Sunny



From: Stan Arney
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 8:27 AM
To: genealogyresearchclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Genealogy Research Club] How can I get others involved


Hi,
I have a Q?, for all of you.
How can I get others involved, in my research?
What I mean by that, is this:
I have been doing my Arney family genealogy research for decades, alone.With the
advent of the Internet, the cooperation of other Arney researchers, exploded
about 10 years ago.  They were in forums, message boards, groups, etc.However,
about 3-4 years ago, all of it came to a quick screeching halt.Many of those
researchers (from 10 years ago) are no longer accessible.Whether they simply
left the Internet, went into "assisted living facilities" or"passed away", is
unknown.  These were the enthusiastic researchers, whoenjoyed doing the
research, sharing information and ideas, and had the willingnessto help others.
Even though, there are still existing forums, groups, message boards, mailing
lists, etc.There seems to be no one actively doing this specific research, that
I can find.
I have posted, on these sites, imploring for people to speak up, to
announcetheir willingness to get involved and to help try to answer the
questions, thathave yet to be resolved, to solve the biggest mysteries,
etc.Alas, all of my attempts have fallen on "deaf cyber ears".
I have even joined forums, message boards, groups, mailing lists, etc.outside of
my specific research, trying to implore assistance in solvingquestions, I have
been unable to resolve or solve, by myself.Alas, still even these attempts, have
come up empty.
I do not have the financial resources, to travel the country, going tospecific
county archives, courthouses, libraries, etc.
I had hoped, that the Internet, would bring access to people, who hada common
mission, and would work together to solve these mysteries,but so far, I can see,
I'm probably 10 years too late.
Any possible suggestions, would be vastly appreciated.
Thank you for your time, consideration, and cooperation, I truly appreciate it.






















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http://service.bfast.com/bfast/click?bfmid=5647408&siteid=18621718


Yahoo! Groups Links





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Stan:

This is a suggestion that might or might not work. If you have e-mail
addresses for some of the people who you think might still be alive,
send anything new you might find, even the smallest bit of information
and possibly a family member might just perk up and say "let's see
where this goes" and before you know it you might have someone
interested who might then get someone else interested. If, of course,
nothing happens in a few months, then I would just give up and keep at
it yourself. I know it is more fun if you have co-partners working with
you but many times people don't have the time or interest until it is
too late and then they say "I wish I had.....".

Good luck.

Ina Getzoff
Peakcat@...

Have you gone to a LDS Library? They have information on cd's that might help.
Barb




From: Stan Arney
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 8:27 AM
To: genealogyresearchclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Genealogy Research Club] How can I get others involved

Hi,
I have a Q?, for all of you.
How can I get others involved, in my research?
What I mean by that, is this:
I have been doing my Arney family genealogy research for decades, alone.With the
advent of the Internet, the cooperation of other Arney researchers, exploded
about 10 years ago.  They were in forums, message boards, groups, etc.However,
about 3-4 years ago, all of it came to a quick screeching halt.Many of those
researchers (from 10 years ago) are no longer accessible.Whether they simply
left the Internet, went into "assisted living facilities" or"passed away", is
unknown.  These were the enthusiastic researchers, whoenjoyed doing the
research, sharing information and ideas, and had the willingnessto help others.
Even though, there are still existing forums, groups, message boards, mailing
lists, etc.There seems to be no one actively doing this specific research, that
I can find.
I have posted, on these sites, imploring for people to speak up, to
announcetheir willingness to get involved and to help try to answer the
questions, thathave yet to be resolved, to solve the biggest mysteries,
etc.Alas, all of my attempts have fallen on "deaf cyber ears".
I have even joined forums, message boards, groups, mailing lists, etc.outside of
my specific research, trying to implore assistance in solvingquestions, I have
been unable to resolve or solve, by myself.Alas, still even these attempts, have
come up empty.
I do not have the financial resources, to travel the country, going tospecific
county archives, courthouses, libraries, etc.
I had hoped, that the Internet, would bring access to people, who hada common
mission, and would work together to solve these mysteries,but so far, I can see,
I'm probably 10 years too late.
Any possible suggestions, would be vastly appreciated.
Thank you for your time, consideration, and cooperation, I truly appreciate it.

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http://service.bfast.com/bfast/click?bfmid=5647408&siteid=18621718

Yahoo! Groups Links

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Sunny, what do you mean by the "fiasco at Ancestry a couple years ago"?
 
Scott
 
Re: How can I get others involved
Posted by: "s" circa_1948@...   circa_1948
Mon Nov 15, 2010 12:10 pm (PST)


I'd guess this is because 10 yrs ago there was a huge boom in genealogists
posting their info, prolly the majority. As younger generations mature they will
add theirs too, right now the majority of researchers are mature and have
already posted their info with no need to post more unless someone posts a Q
they can answer.
I myself am done with my researching in earnest and don't visit boards any
longer but have offers on there to help others if they need it with either the
black sheep searches I offer or info on my own lines one may share.
Not all searchers are interested in nailing info on every single name on their
lists as they r huge; just interested in closer lines.
Also, many people stopped participating in Ancestry and affiliated boards after
the fiasco in the news a couple yrs ago.
Suggestions? Just keep posting your queries and patiently wait for the next wave
of interest pops up.
Sunny


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Hello Mary:

Have you tried searching at https://beta.familysearch.org/

I just did a quick name search there and turned up several results for Frederich
William (Wilhelm) WOCKENFUSS.  Also found a Wilhelmina.

This might be a good start for you.

Karen

  Karen E. Minnemeyer
kamiki1@...
http://kamiki2.tribalpages.com
http://kamiki.tribalpages.com








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mine has quit looking up stuff on ancestry.com and gives me a message about a
firewall.  I have unchecked the firewall and it does not help.

I think I might have to reload and I can't find.  Does anyone have one to sell?
  Or maybe I could trade my new FTM 2011, which I am not as fond of.  mg






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