Try John Robertson at John@... -- he may be able to point
you in the right direction

Art Pratt



--- In genealogyresearchclub@yahoogroups.com, "chickweed5"
<chickweed5@...> wrote:
>
> Hi.   I am looking for a good contact in Scotland to help with some
> questions on tartans and clans.  Do any of you have one or know
someone
> or even have a good website address?  My ancestors came from
> Campbelltown (one branch) and Dalbeatie (another branch).  We
> had "kirkin of the tartans" yesterday in church, and next year I want
> to be able to go up with mine family tartan!              Natalie G
>

http://www.houseoftartan.co.uk/scottish/dir2.asp?secid=77&subsecid=150



--- On Tue, 11/18/08, Mary Lou <babylou52@...> wrote:

From: Mary Lou <babylou52@...>
Subject: Re: [Genealogy Research Club] Anyone have contacts in Scotland
To: genealogyresearchclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 1:12 PM






you can find alot of info by entering information in like www.google.com search
engine and sort through all the urls given..
good luck!
Mary Lou

--- On Tue, 11/18/08, William Fraser <b.fraser49@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: William Fraser <b.fraser49@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [Genealogy Research Club] Anyone have contacts in Scotland
To: genealogyresearchcl ub@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 5:28 AM

I am a Fraser and would be interested in finding out about this too.  I have
seen a picture of the Fraser tartan, but would be interested in finding out how
to obtain items like kilts,etc.
 

--- On Tue, 11/18/08, Mary Lou <babylou52@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Mary Lou <babylou52@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [Genealogy Research Club] Anyone have contacts in Scotland
To: genealogyresearchcl ub@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 12:24 AM

There are Scottish Highland Games they have a website you can join and
participate.
My husband, more than half Norweigian, doing genealogy, found that he is related
to the McLaine family....Sean Connery's mother was a McLaine (hope I spelled it
right)..making my hubby and Sean very distant cousins....( that still counts,
right? LOL)
Good luck
Try to google a local chapter of Scottish Highland Games...
Mary Lou

--- On Mon, 11/17/08, Mechelle Wallace <mechelle.wallace@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Mechelle Wallace <mechelle.wallace@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Genealogy Research Club] Anyone have contacts in Scotland
To: genealogyresearchcl ub@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 1:48 PM

I belong to a research "family" Clan Cunningham.. .some of the members
participate in the Scottish festivals, kilts and all. I'll check and see if
there is someone that is knowledgeable about these things and forward your
request.
 
Mechelle

--- On Mon, 11/17/08, chickweed5 <chickweed5@ yahoo. com> wrote:

From: chickweed5 <chickweed5@ yahoo. com>
Subject: [Genealogy Research Club] Anyone have contacts in Scotland
To: genealogyresearchcl ub@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 7:50 AM

Hi. I am looking for a good contact in Scotland to help with some
questions on tartans and clans. Do any of you have one or know someone
or even have a good website address? My ancestors came from
Campbelltown (one branch) and Dalbeatie (another branch). We
had "kirkin of the tartans" yesterday in church, and next year I want
to be able to go up with mine family tartan! Natalie G

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This is an interesting site.  Thank you very much for sending it to me!  I find
it very interesting that the actual old Fraser clan pin that I have has a
different motto....Je suis prest....inscribed.  I have been told that it's old
and means "I am ready".  I wonder how my Fraser crest pin has a different motto
than the one on this site?  I have other items with the Je Suis Prest motto as
well. 
I will definitely look into this site and, again, thank you very much!!
 
Birt Fraser

--- On Tue, 11/18/08, Chris sparks <cynthia_sparks2002@...> wrote:

From: Chris sparks <cynthia_sparks2002@...>
Subject: [Genealogy Research Club] Re: Fraser Tartans
To: genealogyresearchclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 8:56 PM






http://www.houseoft artan.co. uk/scottish/ dir2.asp? secid=77& subsecid= 150

--- On Tue, 11/18/08, Mary Lou <babylou52@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Mary Lou <babylou52@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [Genealogy Research Club] Anyone have contacts in Scotland
To: genealogyresearchcl ub@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 1:12 PM

you can find alot of info by entering information in like www.google.com search
engine and sort through all the urls given..
good luck!
Mary Lou

--- On Tue, 11/18/08, William Fraser <b.fraser49@ yahoo. com> wrote:

From: William Fraser <b.fraser49@ yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [Genealogy Research Club] Anyone have contacts in Scotland
To: genealogyresearchcl ub@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 5:28 AM

I am a Fraser and would be interested in finding out about this too.  I have
seen a picture of the Fraser tartan, but would be interested in finding out how
to obtain items like kilts,etc.
 

--- On Tue, 11/18/08, Mary Lou <babylou52@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Mary Lou <babylou52@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [Genealogy Research Club] Anyone have contacts in Scotland
To: genealogyresearchcl ub@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 12:24 AM

There are Scottish Highland Games they have a website you can join and
participate.
My husband, more than half Norweigian, doing genealogy, found that he is related
to the McLaine family....Sean Connery's mother was a McLaine (hope I spelled it
right)..making my hubby and Sean very distant cousins....( that still counts,
right? LOL)
Good luck
Try to google a local chapter of Scottish Highland Games...
Mary Lou

--- On Mon, 11/17/08, Mechelle Wallace <mechelle.wallace@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Mechelle Wallace <mechelle.wallace@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Genealogy Research Club] Anyone have contacts in Scotland
To: genealogyresearchcl ub@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 1:48 PM

I belong to a research "family" Clan Cunningham.. .some of the members
participate in the Scottish festivals, kilts and all. I'll check and see if
there is someone that is knowledgeable about these things and forward your
request.
 
Mechelle

--- On Mon, 11/17/08, chickweed5 <chickweed5@ yahoo. com> wrote:

From: chickweed5 <chickweed5@ yahoo. com>
Subject: [Genealogy Research Club] Anyone have contacts in Scotland
To: genealogyresearchcl ub@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 7:50 AM

Hi. I am looking for a good contact in Scotland to help with some
questions on tartans and clans. Do any of you have one or know someone
or even have a good website address? My ancestors came from
Campbelltown (one branch) and Dalbeatie (another branch). We
had "kirkin of the tartans" yesterday in church, and next year I want
to be able to go up with mine family tartan! Natalie G

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I too am interested, sorry so late please contact me

Thank You
Andrea
angee_bug@...

--- In genealogyresearchclub@yahoogroups.com, "elstveit"
<elstveit@...> wrote:
>
> I'm looking for  Desiderius Herrmann bor: 20-05-1863 in Bad
> Rippoldsau in Germany,he went to the USA in 1889,
> his brother severin Herrmann born: 4-10-1866 went to the USA in 1884,
> and Mathias Herrmann born 1858.
> Who can gice me info about the family Herrmann.
> Greetings Els
>

Sorry for the bad post!

Here is what I wanted to post -

I found this at www.findagrave.com -

Severin Hermann -

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?
page=gr&GSln=Herrmann&GSfn=s&GSbyrel=in&GSdyrel=in&GScntry=4&GSob=n&GR
id=9612846&

and when I search Mathias I get these results - there are a few that
look close -

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?
page=gsr&GSln=Herrmann&GSfn=m&GSbyrel=in&GSdyrel=in&GScntry=4&GSob=n&G
Ssr=41&

For Severin I would email the person who created the memorial - she
says in her profile that she has Hermann anscestors.

Hope this helps!
Stacey Olsen




--- In genealogyresearchclub@yahoogroups.com, "Andrea"
<angee_bug@...> wrote:
>
> I too am interested, sorry so late please contact me
>
> Thank You
> Andrea
> angee_bug@...
>
> --- In genealogyresearchclub@yahoogroups.com, "elstveit"
> <elstveit@> wrote:
> >
> > I'm looking for  Desiderius Herrmann bor: 20-05-1863 in Bad
> > Rippoldsau in Germany,he went to the USA in 1889,
> > his brother severin Herrmann born: 4-10-1866 went to the USA in
1884,
> > and Mathias Herrmann born 1858.
> > Who can gice me info about the family Herrmann.
> > Greetings Els
> >
>

Ewan,   Could you tell me what counties are considered "HIghlands" and which are
"Lowlands".  I have one book with a map but it is not very clear.  The areas I
am interested in would be the Argyll area and around Wigtownshire.  
Thanks                    Natalie G

--- On Tue, 11/18/08, Ewan Steed <genealogy@...> wrote:

From: Ewan Steed <genealogy@...>
Subject: Re: [Genealogy Research Club] Digest Number 1627
To: genealogyresearchclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 2:13 PM






Hi there

I live in Scotland and whilst not an expert do have a couple of good books -
so maybe can answer you questions<G>

Please just write and ask.

Ewan

Ayrshire On-Line a great source for Ayrshire Libraries: FHS: etc.

www.ancestryroots. co.uk/ayrshire- onlineindex. htm

----- Original Message -----
From: <genealogyresearchcl ub@yahoogroups. com>
To: <genealogyresearchcl ub@yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 6:57 PM
Subject: [Genealogy Research Club] Digest Number 1627

There are 6 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Anyone have contacts in Scotland
From: chickweed5
1b. Re: Anyone have contacts in Scotland
From: Ms Brandy Sacco
1c. Re: Anyone have contacts in Scotland
From: Mechelle Wallace
1d. Re: Anyone have contacts in Scotland
From: Mary Lou
1e. Re: Anyone have contacts in Scotland
From: William Fraser

2. Hartsock in Central PA
From: gngrbnks

Messages
____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
1a. Anyone have contacts in Scotland
Posted by: "chickweed5" chickweed5@yahoo. com chickweed5
Date: Mon Nov 17, 2008 1:27 pm ((PST))

Hi. I am looking for a good contact in Scotland to help with some
questions on tartans and clans. Do any of you have one or know someone
or even have a good website address? My ancestors came from
Campbelltown (one branch) and Dalbeatie (another branch). We
had "kirkin of the tartans" yesterday in church, and next year I want
to be able to go up with mine family tartan! Natalie G

Messages in this topic (5)
____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
1b. Re: Anyone have contacts in Scotland
Posted by: "Ms Brandy Sacco" eusbls@yahoo. com eusbls
Date: Mon Nov 17, 2008 2:33 pm ((PST))

http://www.geoffrey kilts.co. uk/tartans. html

Brandy

--- On Mon, 11/17/08, chickweed5 <chickweed5@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: chickweed5 <chickweed5@yahoo. com>
Subject: [Genealogy Research Club] Anyone have contacts in Scotland
To: genealogyresearchcl ub@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 10:50 AM

Hi. I am looking for a good contact in Scotland to help with some
questions on tartans and clans. Do any of you have one or know someone
or even have a good website address? My ancestors came from
Campbelltown (one branch) and Dalbeatie (another branch). We
had "kirkin of the tartans" yesterday in church, and next year I want
to be able to go up with mine family tartan! Natalie G

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Messages in this topic (5)
____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
1c. Re: Anyone have contacts in Scotland
Posted by: "Mechelle Wallace" mechelle.wallace@ yahoo.com
mechelle.wallace
Date: Mon Nov 17, 2008 2:33 pm ((PST))

I belong to a research "family" Clan Cunningham.. .some of the members
participate in the Scottish festivals, kilts and all. I'll check and see if
there is someone that is knowledgeable about these things and forward your
request.

Mechelle

--- On Mon, 11/17/08, chickweed5 <chickweed5@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: chickweed5 <chickweed5@yahoo. com>
Subject: [Genealogy Research Club] Anyone have contacts in Scotland
To: genealogyresearchcl ub@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 7:50 AM

Hi. I am looking for a good contact in Scotland to help with some
questions on tartans and clans. Do any of you have one or know someone
or even have a good website address? My ancestors came from
Campbelltown (one branch) and Dalbeatie (another branch). We
had "kirkin of the tartans" yesterday in church, and next year I want
to be able to go up with mine family tartan! Natalie G

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Messages in this topic (5)
____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
1d. Re: Anyone have contacts in Scotland
Posted by: "Mary Lou" babylou52@yahoo. com babylou52
Date: Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:21 am ((PST))

There are Scottish Highland Games they have a website you can join and
participate.
My husband, more than half Norweigian, doing genealogy, found that he is
related to the McLaine family....Sean Connery's mother was a McLaine (hope I
spelled it right)..making my hubby and Sean very distant cousins....( that
still counts, right? LOL)
Good luck
Try to google a local chapter of Scottish Highland Games...
Mary Lou

--- On Mon, 11/17/08, Mechelle Wallace <mechelle.wallace@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Mechelle Wallace <mechelle.wallace@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Genealogy Research Club] Anyone have contacts in Scotland
To: genealogyresearchcl ub@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 1:48 PM

I belong to a research "family" Clan Cunningham.. .some of the members
participate in the Scottish festivals, kilts and all. I'll check and see if
there is someone that is knowledgeable about these things and forward your
request.

Mechelle

--- On Mon, 11/17/08, chickweed5 <chickweed5@ yahoo. com> wrote:

From: chickweed5 <chickweed5@ yahoo. com>
Subject: [Genealogy Research Club] Anyone have contacts in Scotland
To: genealogyresearchcl ub@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 7:50 AM

Hi. I am looking for a good contact in Scotland to help with some
questions on tartans and clans. Do any of you have one or know someone
or even have a good website address? My ancestors came from
Campbelltown (one branch) and Dalbeatie (another branch). We
had "kirkin of the tartans" yesterday in church, and next year I want
to be able to go up with mine family tartan! Natalie G

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Messages in this topic (5)
____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
1e. Re: Anyone have contacts in Scotland
Posted by: "William Fraser" b.fraser49@yahoo. com b.fraser49
Date: Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:39 am ((PST))

I am a Fraser and would be interested in finding out about this too. I have
seen a picture of the Fraser tartan, but would be interested in finding out
how to obtain items like kilts,etc.

--- On Tue, 11/18/08, Mary Lou <babylou52@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Mary Lou <babylou52@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [Genealogy Research Club] Anyone have contacts in Scotland
To: genealogyresearchcl ub@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 12:24 AM

There are Scottish Highland Games they have a website you can join and
participate.
My husband, more than half Norweigian, doing genealogy, found that he is
related to the McLaine family....Sean Connery's mother was a McLaine (hope I
spelled it right)..making my hubby and Sean very distant cousins....( that
still counts, right? LOL)
Good luck
Try to google a local chapter of Scottish Highland Games...
Mary Lou

--- On Mon, 11/17/08, Mechelle Wallace <mechelle.wallace@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Mechelle Wallace <mechelle.wallace@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Genealogy Research Club] Anyone have contacts in Scotland
To: genealogyresearchcl ub@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 1:48 PM

I belong to a research "family" Clan Cunningham.. .some of the members
participate in the Scottish festivals, kilts and all. I'll check and see if
there is someone that is knowledgeable about these things and forward your
request.















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Ewan, I'm a Fraser and I have a very old crest pin that has the Fraser crest
with "Je suis prest" written upon it.  I have othere  newer articles with the
same motto. I know that this is old french and translates to "I am ready". 
However, someone recently sent me information that has the Fraser crest with a
motto that is totally different.  Do any of your books have any information on
Fraser motto's?
Most of my ancestors are from Scotland...Fraser, McColl, Crawford,Means and
Bruce are the lines I'm currently researching. 
 
Thanks!

--- On Thu, 11/20/08, natalie garlock <chickweed5@...> wrote:

From: natalie garlock <chickweed5@...>
Subject: Re: [Genealogy Research Club] Digest Number 1627//To Ewan Steed
To: genealogyresearchclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 5:45 PM






Ewan,   Could you tell me what counties are considered "HIghlands" and which are
"Lowlands".  I have one book with a map but it is not very clear.  The areas I
am interested in would be the Argyll area and around Wigtownshire.  
Thanks                    Natalie G

--- On Tue, 11/18/08, Ewan Steed <genealogy@ancestryr oots.co.uk> wrote:

From: Ewan Steed <genealogy@ancestryr oots.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Genealogy Research Club] Digest Number 1627
To: genealogyresearchcl ub@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 2:13 PM

Hi there

I live in Scotland and whilst not an expert do have a couple of good books -
so maybe can answer you questions<G>

Please just write and ask.

Ewan

Ayrshire On-Line a great source for Ayrshire Libraries: FHS: etc.

www.ancestryroots. co.uk/ayrshire- onlineindex. htm

----- Original Message -----
From: <genealogyresearchc l ub@yahoogroups. com>
To: <genealogyresearchc l ub@yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 6:57 PM
Subject: [Genealogy Research Club] Digest Number 1627

There are 6 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Anyone have contacts in Scotland
From: chickweed5
1b. Re: Anyone have contacts in Scotland
From: Ms Brandy Sacco
1c. Re: Anyone have contacts in Scotland
From: Mechelle Wallace
1d. Re: Anyone have contacts in Scotland
From: Mary Lou
1e. Re: Anyone have contacts in Scotland
From: William Fraser

2. Hartsock in Central PA
From: gngrbnks

Messages
____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
1a. Anyone have contacts in Scotland
Posted by: "chickweed5" chickweed5@yahoo. com chickweed5
Date: Mon Nov 17, 2008 1:27 pm ((PST))

Hi. I am looking for a good contact in Scotland to help with some
questions on tartans and clans. Do any of you have one or know someone
or even have a good website address? My ancestors came from
Campbelltown (one branch) and Dalbeatie (another branch). We
had "kirkin of the tartans" yesterday in church, and next year I want
to be able to go up with mine family tartan! Natalie G

Messages in this topic (5)
____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
1b. Re: Anyone have contacts in Scotland
Posted by: "Ms Brandy Sacco" eusbls@yahoo. com eusbls
Date: Mon Nov 17, 2008 2:33 pm ((PST))

http://www.geoffrey kilts.co. uk/tartans. html

Brandy

--- On Mon, 11/17/08, chickweed5 <chickweed5@ yahoo. com> wrote:

From: chickweed5 <chickweed5@ yahoo. com>
Subject: [Genealogy Research Club] Anyone have contacts in Scotland
To: genealogyresearchcl ub@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 10:50 AM

Hi. I am looking for a good contact in Scotland to help with some
questions on tartans and clans. Do any of you have one or know someone
or even have a good website address? My ancestors came from
Campbelltown (one branch) and Dalbeatie (another branch). We
had "kirkin of the tartans" yesterday in church, and next year I want
to be able to go up with mine family tartan! Natalie G

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Messages in this topic (5)
____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
1c. Re: Anyone have contacts in Scotland
Posted by: "Mechelle Wallace" mechelle.wallace@ yahoo.com
mechelle.wallace
Date: Mon Nov 17, 2008 2:33 pm ((PST))

I belong to a research "family" Clan Cunningham.. .some of the members
participate in the Scottish festivals, kilts and all. I'll check and see if
there is someone that is knowledgeable about these things and forward your
request.

Mechelle

--- On Mon, 11/17/08, chickweed5 <chickweed5@ yahoo. com> wrote:

From: chickweed5 <chickweed5@ yahoo. com>
Subject: [Genealogy Research Club] Anyone have contacts in Scotland
To: genealogyresearchcl ub@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 7:50 AM

Hi. I am looking for a good contact in Scotland to help with some
questions on tartans and clans. Do any of you have one or know someone
or even have a good website address? My ancestors came from
Campbelltown (one branch) and Dalbeatie (another branch). We
had "kirkin of the tartans" yesterday in church, and next year I want
to be able to go up with mine family tartan! Natalie G

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Messages in this topic (5)
____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
1d. Re: Anyone have contacts in Scotland
Posted by: "Mary Lou" babylou52@yahoo. com babylou52
Date: Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:21 am ((PST))

There are Scottish Highland Games they have a website you can join and
participate.
My husband, more than half Norweigian, doing genealogy, found that he is
related to the McLaine family....Sean Connery's mother was a McLaine (hope I
spelled it right)..making my hubby and Sean very distant cousins....( that
still counts, right? LOL)
Good luck
Try to google a local chapter of Scottish Highland Games...
Mary Lou

--- On Mon, 11/17/08, Mechelle Wallace <mechelle.wallace@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Mechelle Wallace <mechelle.wallace@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Genealogy Research Club] Anyone have contacts in Scotland
To: genealogyresearchcl ub@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 1:48 PM

I belong to a research "family" Clan Cunningham.. .some of the members
participate in the Scottish festivals, kilts and all. I'll check and see if
there is someone that is knowledgeable about these things and forward your
request.

Mechelle

--- On Mon, 11/17/08, chickweed5 <chickweed5@ yahoo. com> wrote:

From: chickweed5 <chickweed5@ yahoo. com>
Subject: [Genealogy Research Club] Anyone have contacts in Scotland
To: genealogyresearchcl ub@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 7:50 AM

Hi. I am looking for a good contact in Scotland to help with some
questions on tartans and clans. Do any of you have one or know someone
or even have a good website address? My ancestors came from
Campbelltown (one branch) and Dalbeatie (another branch). We
had "kirkin of the tartans" yesterday in church, and next year I want
to be able to go up with mine family tartan! Natalie G

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Messages in this topic (5)
____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
1e. Re: Anyone have contacts in Scotland
Posted by: "William Fraser" b.fraser49@yahoo. com b.fraser49
Date: Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:39 am ((PST))

I am a Fraser and would be interested in finding out about this too. I have
seen a picture of the Fraser tartan, but would be interested in finding out
how to obtain items like kilts,etc.

--- On Tue, 11/18/08, Mary Lou <babylou52@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Mary Lou <babylou52@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [Genealogy Research Club] Anyone have contacts in Scotland
To: genealogyresearchcl ub@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 12:24 AM

There are Scottish Highland Games they have a website you can join and
participate.
My husband, more than half Norweigian, doing genealogy, found that he is
related to the McLaine family....Sean Connery's mother was a McLaine (hope I
spelled it right)..making my hubby and Sean very distant cousins....( that
still counts, right? LOL)
Good luck
Try to google a local chapter of Scottish Highland Games...
Mary Lou

--- On Mon, 11/17/08, Mechelle Wallace <mechelle.wallace@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Mechelle Wallace <mechelle.wallace@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Genealogy Research Club] Anyone have contacts in Scotland
To: genealogyresearchcl ub@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 1:48 PM

I belong to a research "family" Clan Cunningham.. .some of the members
participate in the Scottish festivals, kilts and all. I'll check and see if
there is someone that is knowledgeable about these things and forward your
request.

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[sorry if this cross posts groups you are in]

I have done several lookups in the past for many of you and enjoy
doing so. So, I wanted to let you know I have just finished compiling
mug shots/Bertillon records (1,236), wanted posters (abt 300),
convict etc (4,728), FBI mentions and other such info to make them
searchable on my PC. I think the prospect of seeing what our black
(and white) sheep ancestors looked like is fun and exciting. I'd love
to know what my dad looked like when he was incarcerated at the Ohio
State Reformatory back in 1917-1920 and that is what got me
interested in collecting this stuff all these years.

I'd like to offer to search these records for anyone who would like.
If so, email me here circa_1948@... with any/all of the
following if you know it:
1- subject's age, full name & any AKAs.
2- what the crime was.
3- where subject was incarcerated (prison & city/state).
4- where the crime happened.if diff from #3.
5- date crime happened.
6- incarceration dates.

Keep it brief at first and if I need more I'll email you and ask.
Thanks,
Sunny
"a baaaad ancestor is a good find"

http://www.scotclans.com/scottish_clans/clans/fraser_of_lovat/history.html


--- On Thu, 11/20/08, William Fraser <b.fraser49@...> wrote:

From: William Fraser <b.fraser49@...>
Subject: Re: [Genealogy Research Club] Digest Number 1627//To Ewan Steed
To: genealogyresearchclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 3:15 PM






Ewan, I'm a Fraser and I have a very old crest pin that has the Fraser crest
with "Je suis prest" written upon it.  I have othere  newer articles with the
same motto. I know that this is old french and translates to "I am ready". 
However, someone recently sent me information that has the Fraser crest with a
motto that is totally different.  Do any of your books have any information on
Fraser motto's?
Most of my ancestors are from Scotland...Fraser, McColl, Crawford,Means and
Bruce are the lines I'm currently researching. 
 
Thanks!

--- On Thu, 11/20/08, natalie garlock <chickweed5@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: natalie garlock <chickweed5@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [Genealogy Research Club] Digest Number 1627//To Ewan Steed
To: genealogyresearchcl ub@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 5:45 PM

Ewan,   Could you tell me what counties are considered "HIghlands" and which are
"Lowlands".  I have one book with a map but it is not very clear.  The areas I
am interested in would be the Argyll area and around Wigtownshire.  
Thanks                    Natalie G

--- On Tue, 11/18/08, Ewan Steed <genealogy@ancestry r oots.co.uk> wrote:

From: Ewan Steed <genealogy@ancestry r oots.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Genealogy Research Club] Digest Number 1627
To: genealogyresearchcl ub@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 2:13 PM

Hi there

I live in Scotland and whilst not an expert do have a couple of good books -
so maybe can answer you questions<G>

Please just write and ask.

Ewan

Ayrshire On-Line a great source for Ayrshire Libraries: FHS: etc.

www.ancestryroots. co.uk/ayrshire- onlineindex. htm

----- Original Message -----
From: <genealogyresearchc l ub@yahoogroups. com>
To: <genealogyresearchc l ub@yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 6:57 PM
Subject: [Genealogy Research Club] Digest Number 1627

There are 6 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Anyone have contacts in Scotland
From: chickweed5
1b. Re: Anyone have contacts in Scotland
From: Ms Brandy Sacco
1c. Re: Anyone have contacts in Scotland
From: Mechelle Wallace
1d. Re: Anyone have contacts in Scotland
From: Mary Lou
1e. Re: Anyone have contacts in Scotland
From: William Fraser

2. Hartsock in Central PA
From: gngrbnks

Messages
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1a. Anyone have contacts in Scotland
Posted by: "chickweed5" chickweed5@yahoo. com chickweed5
Date: Mon Nov 17, 2008 1:27 pm ((PST))

Hi. I am looking for a good contact in Scotland to help with some
questions on tartans and clans. Do any of you have one or know someone
or even have a good website address? My ancestors came from
Campbelltown (one branch) and Dalbeatie (another branch). We
had "kirkin of the tartans" yesterday in church, and next year I want
to be able to go up with mine family tartan! Natalie G

Messages in this topic (5)
____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
1b. Re: Anyone have contacts in Scotland
Posted by: "Ms Brandy Sacco" eusbls@yahoo. com eusbls
Date: Mon Nov 17, 2008 2:33 pm ((PST))

http://www.geoffrey kilts.co. uk/tartans. html

Brandy

--- On Mon, 11/17/08, chickweed5 <chickweed5@ yahoo. com> wrote:

From: chickweed5 <chickweed5@ yahoo. com>
Subject: [Genealogy Research Club] Anyone have contacts in Scotland
To: genealogyresearchcl ub@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 10:50 AM

Hi. I am looking for a good contact in Scotland to help with some
questions on tartans and clans. Do any of you have one or know someone
or even have a good website address? My ancestors came from
Campbelltown (one branch) and Dalbeatie (another branch). We
had "kirkin of the tartans" yesterday in church, and next year I want
to be able to go up with mine family tartan! Natalie G

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Messages in this topic (5)
____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
1c. Re: Anyone have contacts in Scotland
Posted by: "Mechelle Wallace" mechelle.wallace@ yahoo.com
mechelle.wallace
Date: Mon Nov 17, 2008 2:33 pm ((PST))

I belong to a research "family" Clan Cunningham.. .some of the members
participate in the Scottish festivals, kilts and all. I'll check and see if
there is someone that is knowledgeable about these things and forward your
request.

Mechelle

--- On Mon, 11/17/08, chickweed5 <chickweed5@ yahoo. com> wrote:

From: chickweed5 <chickweed5@ yahoo. com>
Subject: [Genealogy Research Club] Anyone have contacts in Scotland
To: genealogyresearchcl ub@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 7:50 AM

Hi. I am looking for a good contact in Scotland to help with some
questions on tartans and clans. Do any of you have one or know someone
or even have a good website address? My ancestors came from
Campbelltown (one branch) and Dalbeatie (another branch). We
had "kirkin of the tartans" yesterday in church, and next year I want
to be able to go up with mine family tartan! Natalie G

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Messages in this topic (5)
____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
1d. Re: Anyone have contacts in Scotland
Posted by: "Mary Lou" babylou52@yahoo. com babylou52
Date: Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:21 am ((PST))

There are Scottish Highland Games they have a website you can join and
participate.
My husband, more than half Norweigian, doing genealogy, found that he is
related to the McLaine family....Sean Connery's mother was a McLaine (hope I
spelled it right)..making my hubby and Sean very distant cousins....( that
still counts, right? LOL)
Good luck
Try to google a local chapter of Scottish Highland Games...
Mary Lou

--- On Mon, 11/17/08, Mechelle Wallace <mechelle.wallace@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Mechelle Wallace <mechelle.wallace@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Genealogy Research Club] Anyone have contacts in Scotland
To: genealogyresearchcl ub@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 1:48 PM

I belong to a research "family" Clan Cunningham.. .some of the members
participate in the Scottish festivals, kilts and all. I'll check and see if
there is someone that is knowledgeable about these things and forward your
request.

Mechelle

--- On Mon, 11/17/08, chickweed5 <chickweed5@ yahoo. com> wrote:

From: chickweed5 <chickweed5@ yahoo. com>
Subject: [Genealogy Research Club] Anyone have contacts in Scotland
To: genealogyresearchcl ub@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 7:50 AM

Hi. I am looking for a good contact in Scotland to help with some
questions on tartans and clans. Do any of you have one or know someone
or even have a good website address? My ancestors came from
Campbelltown (one branch) and Dalbeatie (another branch). We
had "kirkin of the tartans" yesterday in church, and next year I want
to be able to go up with mine family tartan! Natalie G

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Messages in this topic (5)
____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
1e. Re: Anyone have contacts in Scotland
Posted by: "William Fraser" b.fraser49@yahoo. com b.fraser49
Date: Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:39 am ((PST))

I am a Fraser and would be interested in finding out about this too. I have
seen a picture of the Fraser tartan, but would be interested in finding out
how to obtain items like kilts,etc.

--- On Tue, 11/18/08, Mary Lou <babylou52@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Mary Lou <babylou52@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [Genealogy Research Club] Anyone have contacts in Scotland
To: genealogyresearchcl ub@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 12:24 AM

There are Scottish Highland Games they have a website you can join and
participate.
My husband, more than half Norweigian, doing genealogy, found that he is
related to the McLaine family....Sean Connery's mother was a McLaine (hope I
spelled it right)..making my hubby and Sean very distant cousins....( that
still counts, right? LOL)
Good luck
Try to google a local chapter of Scottish Highland Games...
Mary Lou

--- On Mon, 11/17/08, Mechelle Wallace <mechelle.wallace@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Mechelle Wallace <mechelle.wallace@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Genealogy Research Club] Anyone have contacts in Scotland
To: genealogyresearchcl ub@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 1:48 PM

I belong to a research "family" Clan Cunningham.. .some of the members
participate in the Scottish festivals, kilts and all. I'll check and see if
there is someone that is knowledgeable about these things and forward your
request.

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Would love to know more about the following man. This is all I can find.
 
# Name: Walter Grier Cool
# Sex: M
# Birth: 4 Nov 1802 in Franklin Co., Virginia
# Death: Jan 1863 in southwestern, Virginia
BIOGRAPHY: Walter Grier Cool
    Walter Cool, patriarch of the Cool family in Webster County, was born in
Franklin County, VA on 04-Nov-1802. The identity of his parents remain unproven,
although there is documentation that indicates Mary Cool Hosey, daughter of
Conrad Kuhl (born in Germany) is Walter's mother. In 1825 he came to the Right
Fork of Holly River, bought extensive tracts of land on both sides of the river,
and became a gentleman farmer in the best tradition of the Appalachian frontier.
On 01-Sep-1825, he married Hannah Clifton, daughter of Holly River pioneer John
Clifton. They settled on a farm about three miles northwest of present day
Diana. Today, the homestead remains in the hands of Cool family members.
    -----
    As the wealthiest citizen on Holly River, Walter Cool was involved in the
political effort to establish Webster County between 1852 and 1860. When the
Virginia Assembly approved the Webster petition in Jan-1860, Walter immediately
became a candidate for high office. In May-1860 he was elected as the first
sheriff of Webster County. When the AmCivWar began a year later, Walter cast his
lot with old Virginia and opposed breakup of the state.
    -----
    On 20-May-1862, Walter was arrested in Webster County by a Union patrol lead
by Capt. Moses Hall and charged with being a Confederate partisan. The military
trial of Walter Cool was held in Clarksburg and ended with a sentence of "death
by hanging". Shortly following his trial, Walter wrote letters from his jail
cell to his family. He was moved to a P.O.W. camp -- Camp Chase (Columbus),
Ohio. Walter was part of a prisoner exchange in Vicksburg, Mississippi;
Dec-1862. He died somewhere reportedly around Wytheville, VA while trying to
return home to his family and farm. His final resting place remains unknown.
    -----
    In 1999, Walter Cool was recognized by the United Daughters of the
Confederacy for his service as a southern partisan. Walter Cool's military
record has now been approved, and descendants may now join the UDC (United
Daughters of the Confederacy) or the SCV (Sons of Confederate Veterans) once
personal lineage is documented and approved.




--- On Thu, 11/20/08, circa_1948 <circa_1948@...> wrote:_,_._,___
















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Hello,
  I also had a great-uncle who was in Mattewan State Prison.  I have the same
problem you have....no one wants to talk about it.
Vincent DeLuca was born in 1892 and I don't know when he passed away.  I can't
find him anywhere in census records.
I would like to know when he passed, and exactly how long he stayed in prison.

Prison records seem to be hard to find.  I'm in Texas now, so getting info from
NY is not easy.

Debbie




________________________________
From: circa_1948 <circa_1948@...>
To: genealogyresearchclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 9:24:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Genealogy Research Club] Another prison inmate.....


have you contacted the local historical society and genealogical society?
Most prisons and asylums I've needed info on inmates from had records stored
with those, mainly the historical society.
I've received many records from them for the cost of pages printed out for me.
sunny
----- Original Message -----
From: genealsue
To: genealogyresearchcl ub@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 3:31 PM
Subject: [Genealogy Research Club] Another prison inmate.....

My great-uncle Christopher Hyland spent some thirty years in the NY
State Matteawan State Hospital for the Criminally Insane. No living
member of the family can answer why he was there, and I cannot locate
any records (NY State's lookup is primarily recent prisoners. My G-
Uncle was incarcerated shortly after WWI, and his daughter was able to
get him out in the mid-to-late 1960s.)

He was born in New York City 17 Nov 1896. Parents were Joseph Henery
Hyland and Annie (Keegan)Hyland. He married Mary Waters in New York
City (date unknown)and they had one daughter. He appears on the 1900
and 1910 census records with his parents in Manhattan, and in the 1930
census as an inmate in Matteawan, Beacon, NY. There is a possibility
that he was in Detroit in 1920, but that has not been confirmed.

When his daughter gained his release she moved him down to Florida,
where he died in 1976.

Can someone give me some suggestions?

------------ --------- --------- ------

Searching for your ancestry? You'll find great help at Ancestry.Com

http://service. bfast.com/ bfast/click? bfmid=5647408& siteid=18621718

Yahoo! Groups Links

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Mary Lou,
My mother is a McLean.  Her family comes from the Durat Castle McLeans.
Is this your husbands family???
Sue


--- On Tue, 11/18/08, Mary Lou <babylou52@...> wrote:

> From: Mary Lou <babylou52@...>
> Subject: Re: [Genealogy Research Club] Anyone have contacts in Scotland
> To: genealogyresearchclub@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 10:12 AM
> you can find alot of info by entering information in like
> www.google.com search engine and sort through all the urls
> given..
> good luck!
> Mary Lou
>
> --- On Tue, 11/18/08, William Fraser
> <b.fraser49@...> wrote:
>
> From: William Fraser <b.fraser49@...>
> Subject: Re: [Genealogy Research Club] Anyone have contacts
> in Scotland
> To: genealogyresearchclub@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 5:28 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I am a Fraser and would be interested in finding out about
> this too.  I have seen a picture of the Fraser tartan, but
> would be interested in finding out how to obtain items like
> kilts,etc.
>  
>
> --- On Tue, 11/18/08, Mary Lou <babylou52@yahoo. com>
> wrote:
>
> From: Mary Lou <babylou52@yahoo. com>
> Subject: Re: [Genealogy Research Club] Anyone have contacts
> in Scotland
> To: genealogyresearchcl ub@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 12:24 AM
>
> There are Scottish Highland Games they have a website you
> can join and participate.
> My husband, more than half Norweigian, doing genealogy,
> found that he is related to the McLaine family....Sean
> Connery's mother was a McLaine (hope I spelled it
> right)..making my hubby and Sean very distant cousins....(
> that still counts, right? LOL)
> Good luck
> Try to google a local chapter of Scottish Highland Games...
> Mary Lou
>
> --- On Mon, 11/17/08, Mechelle Wallace
> <mechelle.wallace@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> From: Mechelle Wallace <mechelle.wallace@ yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Genealogy Research Club] Anyone have contacts
> in Scotland
> To: genealogyresearchcl ub@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 1:48 PM
>
> I belong to a research "family" Clan Cunningham..
> .some of the members participate in the Scottish festivals,
> kilts and all. I'll check and see if there is someone
> that is knowledgeable about these things and forward your
> request.
>  
> Mechelle
>
> --- On Mon, 11/17/08, chickweed5 <chickweed5@ yahoo.
> com> wrote:
>
> From: chickweed5 <chickweed5@ yahoo. com>
> Subject: [Genealogy Research Club] Anyone have contacts in
> Scotland
> To: genealogyresearchcl ub@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 7:50 AM
>
> Hi. I am looking for a good contact in Scotland to help
> with some
> questions on tartans and clans. Do any of you have one or
> know someone
> or even have a good website address? My ancestors came from
>
> Campbelltown (one branch) and Dalbeatie (another branch).
> We
> had "kirkin of the tartans" yesterday in church,
> and next year I want
> to be able to go up with mine family tartan! Natalie G
>
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>
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>
>
>
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>
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Hi

Highlands & Lowlands - well that is a good "starter for 10" and one that
could see me lynched<G>.

I think it easier to say Lowlands first then everything else is Highlands &
Islands.    Ayrshire; Dumfries & Galloway; Wigtown; Roxburgh & Berwickshire
& the Scottish Borders area ; Edinburgh & Glasgow; Dunbartonshire (the top
part is considered Highlands i.e. around Helensburgh north towards Loch
Lomond).

To make it easier a line south from Glasgow to Edinburgh is roughly Lowland
Scotland - hope that helps.

A good kilt shop is base don Princes Street in Edinburgh (That's the name I
think).      Fraser has 2 Mottos - the Lovat branch is "All my hope is in
God" and the other is "Je suis prest" ( I am ready).

Hope I've answered the questions asked - if not please e-mail again.

Cheers

Ewan

Individual Personalised Tours and all aspects of Family History and
Genealogical Research -

please contact: ROOTS Consulting Services (Scotland)

www.ancestryroots.co.uk or if you wish to visit

Ayrshire On-Line a great source for Ayrshire Libraries: FHS: etc.

www.ancestryroots.co.uk/ayrshire-onlineindex.htm

am working on this one too :-)
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Debbie Oney
   To: genealogyresearchclub@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 5:48 PM
   Subject: Re: [Genealogy Research Club] Another prison inmate.....


   Hello,
   I also had a great-uncle who was in Mattewan State Prison. I have the same
problem you have....no one wants to talk about it.
   Vincent DeLuca was born in 1892 and I don't know when he passed away. I can't
find him anywhere in census records.
   I would like to know when he passed, and exactly how long he stayed in prison.

   Prison records seem to be hard to find. I'm in Texas now, so getting info from
NY is not easy.

   Debbie




   ________________________________
   From: circa_1948 <circa_1948@...>
   To: genealogyresearchclub@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 9:24:33 PM
   Subject: Re: [Genealogy Research Club] Another prison inmate.....


   have you contacted the local historical society and genealogical society?
   Most prisons and asylums I've needed info on inmates from had records stored
with those, mainly the historical society.
   I've received many records from them for the cost of pages printed out for me.
   sunny
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: genealsue
   To: genealogyresearchcl ub@yahoogroups. com
   Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 3:31 PM
   Subject: [Genealogy Research Club] Another prison inmate.....

   My great-uncle Christopher Hyland spent some thirty years in the NY
   State Matteawan State Hospital for the Criminally Insane. No living
   member of the family can answer why he was there, and I cannot locate
   any records (NY State's lookup is primarily recent prisoners. My G-
   Uncle was incarcerated shortly after WWI, and his daughter was able to
   get him out in the mid-to-late 1960s.)

   He was born in New York City 17 Nov 1896. Parents were Joseph Henery
   Hyland and Annie (Keegan)Hyland. He married Mary Waters in New York
   City (date unknown)and they had one daughter. He appears on the 1900
   and 1910 census records with his parents in Manhattan, and in the 1930
   census as an inmate in Matteawan, Beacon, NY. There is a possibility
   that he was in Detroit in 1920, but that has not been confirmed.

   When his daughter gained his release she moved him down to Florida,
   where he died in 1976.

   Can someone give me some suggestions?

   ------------ --------- --------- ------

   Searching for your ancestry? You'll find great help at Ancestry.Com

   http://service. bfast.com/ bfast/click? bfmid=5647408& siteid=18621718

   Yahoo! Groups Links

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   http://service.bfast.com/bfast/click?bfmid=5647408&siteid=18621718


   Yahoo! Groups Links





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mattewan prison in NY ?
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Debbie Oney
   To: genealogyresearchclub@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 5:48 PM
   Subject: Re: [Genealogy Research Club] Another prison inmate.....


   Hello,
   I also had a great-uncle who was in Mattewan State Prison. I have the same
problem you have....no one wants to talk about it.
   Vincent DeLuca was born in 1892 and I don't know when he passed away. I can't
find him anywhere in census records.
   I would like to know when he passed, and exactly how long he stayed in prison.

   Prison records seem to be hard to find. I'm in Texas now, so getting info from
NY is not easy.

   Debbie




   ________________________________
   From: circa_1948 <circa_1948@...>
   To: genealogyresearchclub@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 9:24:33 PM
   Subject: Re: [Genealogy Research Club] Another prison inmate.....


   have you contacted the local historical society and genealogical society?
   Most prisons and asylums I've needed info on inmates from had records stored
with those, mainly the historical society.
   I've received many records from them for the cost of pages printed out for me.
   sunny
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: genealsue
   To: genealogyresearchcl ub@yahoogroups. com
   Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 3:31 PM
   Subject: [Genealogy Research Club] Another prison inmate.....

   My great-uncle Christopher Hyland spent some thirty years in the NY
   State Matteawan State Hospital for the Criminally Insane. No living
   member of the family can answer why he was there, and I cannot locate
   any records (NY State's lookup is primarily recent prisoners. My G-
   Uncle was incarcerated shortly after WWI, and his daughter was able to
   get him out in the mid-to-late 1960s.)

   He was born in New York City 17 Nov 1896. Parents were Joseph Henery
   Hyland and Annie (Keegan)Hyland. He married Mary Waters in New York
   City (date unknown)and they had one daughter. He appears on the 1900
   and 1910 census records with his parents in Manhattan, and in the 1930
   census as an inmate in Matteawan, Beacon, NY. There is a possibility
   that he was in Detroit in 1920, but that has not been confirmed.

   When his daughter gained his release she moved him down to Florida,
   where he died in 1976.

   Can someone give me some suggestions?

   ------------ --------- --------- ------

   Searching for your ancestry? You'll find great help at Ancestry.Com

   http://service. bfast.com/ bfast/click? bfmid=5647408& siteid=18621718

   Yahoo! Groups Links

   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]






   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


   ------------------------------------

   Searching for your ancestry? You'll find great help at Ancestry.Com

   http://service.bfast.com/bfast/click?bfmid=5647408&siteid=18621718


   Yahoo! Groups Links





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Debbie
My name is Ruby and I live in Minnesota. Why I am writing is your Oney name, I
was married into a family that had the Oney name, and  if you can tell me a
little about that name  I may or may not have Oney information you might be
looking for.
Ruby


Ruby

--- On Thu, 11/20/08, Debbie Oney <debisgenealogy@...> wrote:

From: Debbie Oney <debisgenealogy@...>
Subject: Re: [Genealogy Research Club] Another prison inmate.....
To: genealogyresearchclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 7:48 PM






Hello,
  I also had a great-uncle who was in Mattewan State Prison.  I have the same
problem you have....no one wants to talk about it.
Vincent DeLuca was born in 1892 and I don't know when he passed away.  I can't
find him anywhere in census records.
I would like to know when he passed, and exactly how long he stayed in prison.

Prison records seem to be hard to find.  I'm in Texas now, so getting info from
NY is not easy.

Debbie

____________ _________ _________ __
From: circa_1948 <circa_1948@hotmail. com>
To: genealogyresearchcl ub@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 9:24:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Genealogy Research Club] Another prison inmate.....

have you contacted the local historical society and genealogical society?
Most prisons and asylums I've needed info on inmates from had records stored
with those, mainly the historical society.
I've received many records from them for the cost of pages printed out for me.
sunny
----- Original Message -----
From: genealsue
To: genealogyresearchcl ub@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 3:31 PM
Subject: [Genealogy Research Club] Another prison inmate.....

My great-uncle Christopher Hyland spent some thirty years in the NY
State Matteawan State Hospital for the Criminally Insane. No living
member of the family can answer why he was there, and I cannot locate
any records (NY State's lookup is primarily recent prisoners. My G-
Uncle was incarcerated shortly after WWI, and his daughter was able to
get him out in the mid-to-late 1960s.)

He was born in New York City 17 Nov 1896. Parents were Joseph Henery
Hyland and Annie (Keegan)Hyland. He married Mary Waters in New York
City (date unknown)and they had one daughter. He appears on the 1900
and 1910 census records with his parents in Manhattan, and in the 1930
census as an inmate in Matteawan, Beacon, NY. There is a possibility
that he was in Detroit in 1920, but that has not been confirmed.

When his daughter gained his release she moved him down to Florida,
where he died in 1976.

Can someone give me some suggestions?

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Hi
 
I'm still looking for the Croft family.  I have been able to locate my
husband's great grand mother.  She was Elizabeth Croft born about 1865 in
Sydney.  She later married a man named Hercules Smith in 1905.  She died about
1933 in Sydney I believe.  I also found 2 croft families who could be
Elizabeth's parents.  They were William and Harriet Croft or William and Mary
Croft all of Sydney.  That is where I got stuck and don't really know where to
look or how to proceed further.  Hope someone can help.

Regards
Lilian



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I found this on www.findagrave.com  I do not know if these are your William and
Mary – but you can check them out.  You can email the person who created the
memorials and see if they know anything about them.



http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gsr
<http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gsr&GSfn=&GSmn=&GSln=croft&GSby=&\
GSbyrel=in&GSdy=&GSdyrel=in&GScntry=15&GSst=0&GSob=n>
&GSfn=&GSmn=&GSln=croft&GSby=&GSbyrel=in&GSdy=&GSdyrel=in&GScntry=15&GSst=0&GSob\
=n



Also, you might want to try - http://www.australiagenweb.org/



Good Luck!

Stacey Olsen





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[mailto:genealogyresearchclub@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lilian Smith
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 8:15 PM
To: genealogyresearchclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Genealogy Research Club] croft family



Hi

I'm still looking for the Croft family.  I have been able to locate my husband's
great grand mother.  She was Elizabeth Croft born about 1865 in Sydney.  She
later married a man named Hercules Smith in 1905.  She died about 1933 in Sydney
I believe.  I also found 2 croft families who could be Elizabeth's parents. 
They were William and Harriet Croft or William and Mary Croft all of Sydney. 
That is where I got stuck and don't really know where to look or how to proceed
further.  Hope someone can help.

Regards
Lilian

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Im not finding anything more than u have written here hon.
sunny
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   From: Chris sparks
   To: genealogyresearchclub@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 5:11 PM
   Subject: Re: [Genealogy Research Club] Prison & Asylum look-ups .... update


   Would love to know more about the following man. This is all I can find.

   # Name: Walter Grier Cool
   # Sex: M
   # Birth: 4 Nov 1802 in Franklin Co., Virginia
   # Death: Jan 1863 in southwestern, Virginia
   BIOGRAPHY: Walter Grier Cool
   Walter Cool, patriarch of the Cool family in Webster County, was born in
Franklin County, VA on 04-Nov-1802. The identity of his parents remain unproven,
although there is documentation that indicates Mary Cool Hosey, daughter of
Conrad Kuhl (born in Germany) is Walter's mother. In 1825 he came to the Right
Fork of Holly River, bought extensive tracts of land on both sides of the river,
and became a gentleman farmer in the best tradition of the Appalachian frontier.
On 01-Sep-1825, he married Hannah Clifton, daughter of Holly River pioneer John
Clifton. They settled on a farm about three miles northwest of present day
Diana. Today, the homestead remains in the hands of Cool family members.
   -----
   As the wealthiest citizen on Holly River, Walter Cool was involved in the
political effort to establish Webster County between 1852 and 1860. When the
Virginia Assembly approved the Webster petition in Jan-1860, Walter immediately
became a candidate for high office. In May-1860 he was elected as the first
sheriff of Webster County. When the AmCivWar began a year later, Walter cast his
lot with old Virginia and opposed breakup of the state.
   -----
   On 20-May-1862, Walter was arrested in Webster County by a Union patrol lead
by Capt. Moses Hall and charged with being a Confederate partisan. The military
trial of Walter Cool was held in Clarksburg and ended with a sentence of "death
by hanging". Shortly following his trial, Walter wrote letters from his jail
cell to his family. He was moved to a P.O.W. camp -- Camp Chase (Columbus),
Ohio. Walter was part of a prisoner exchange in Vicksburg, Mississippi;
Dec-1862. He died somewhere reportedly around Wytheville, VA while trying to
return home to his family and farm. His final resting place remains unknown.
   -----
   In 1999, Walter Cool was recognized by the United Daughters of the Confederacy
for his service as a southern partisan. Walter Cool's military record has now
been approved, and descendants may now join the UDC (United Daughters of the
Confederacy) or the SCV (Sons of Confederate Veterans) once personal lineage is
documented and approved.




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Hi Ruby,
  Thanks for writing to me.
My Oney family comes from Texas. 
I have traced them back to Virginia, but not at all in Minnesota.
Did you have Oney family in Texas?

Debbie




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From: ruby scales <ruby55413@...>
To: genealogyresearchclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 6:05:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Genealogy Research Club] Another prison inmate.....


Debbie
My name is Ruby and I live in Minnesota. Why I am writing is your Oney name, I
was married into a family that had the Oney name, and  if you can tell me a
little about that name  I may or may not have Oney information you might be
looking for.
Ruby

Ruby

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From: Debbie Oney <debisgenealogy@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Genealogy Research Club] Another prison inmate.....
To: genealogyresearchcl ub@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 7:48 PM

Hello,
  I also had a great-uncle who was in Mattewan State Prison.  I have the same
problem you have....no one wants to talk about it.
Vincent DeLuca was born in 1892 and I don't know when he passed away.  I can't
find him anywhere in census records.
I would like to know when he passed, and exactly how long he stayed in prison.

Prison records seem to be hard to find.  I'm in Texas now, so getting info from
NY is not easy.

Debbie

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From: circa_1948 <circa_1948@ hotmail. com>
To: genealogyresearchcl ub@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 9:24:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Genealogy Research Club] Another prison inmate.....

have you contacted the local historical society and genealogical society?
Most prisons and asylums I've needed info on inmates from had records stored
with those, mainly the historical society.
I've received many records from them for the cost of pages printed out for me.
sunny
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From: genealsue
To: genealogyresearchcl ub@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 3:31 PM
Subject: [Genealogy Research Club] Another prison inmate.....

My great-uncle Christopher Hyland spent some thirty years in the NY
State Matteawan State Hospital for the Criminally Insane. No living
member of the family can answer why he was there, and I cannot locate
any records (NY State's lookup is primarily recent prisoners. My G-
Uncle was incarcerated shortly after WWI, and his daughter was able to
get him out in the mid-to-late 1960s.)

He was born in New York City 17 Nov 1896. Parents were Joseph Henery
Hyland and Annie (Keegan)Hyland. He married Mary Waters in New York
City (date unknown)and they had one daughter. He appears on the 1900
and 1910 census records with his parents in Manhattan, and in the 1930
census as an inmate in Matteawan, Beacon, NY. There is a possibility
that he was in Detroit in 1920, but that has not been confirmed.

When his daughter gained his release she moved him down to Florida,
where he died in 1976.

Can someone give me some suggestions?

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Hi Lilian

I had a similar problem but once I got a copy of the death certificate (in your
case Elizabeth) it gave me the right people as the parents were listed - along
with details such as time in 'the colony', etc.

Good luck

Rae




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From: Lilian Smith <liliansmith888@...>
To: genealogyresearchclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 22 November, 2008 12:14:56 PM
Subject: [Genealogy Research Club] croft family


Hi
 
I'm still looking for the Croft family.  I have been able to locate my
husband's great grand mother.  She was Elizabeth Croft born about 1865 in
Sydney.  She later married a man named Hercules Smith in 1905.  She died about
1933 in Sydney I believe.  I also found 2 croft families who could be
Elizabeth's parents.  They were William and Harriet Croft or William and Mary
Croft all of Sydney.  That is where I got stuck and don't really know where to
look or how to proceed further.  Hope someone can help.

Regards
Lilian

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Me too. Thanks very much for trying. I can only use free sites so not finding
much on any of my lines.



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From: circa_1948 <circa_1948@...>
Subject: Re: [Genealogy Research Club] Prison & Asylum look-ups .... update
To: genealogyresearchclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 4:59 PM






Im not finding anything more than u have written here hon.
sunny
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris sparks
To: genealogyresearchcl ub@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Genealogy Research Club] Prison & Asylum look-ups .... update

Would love to know more about the following man. This is all I can find.

# Name: Walter Grier Cool
# Sex: M
# Birth: 4 Nov 1802 in Franklin Co., Virginia
# Death: Jan 1863 in southwestern, Virginia
BIOGRAPHY: Walter Grier Cool
Walter Cool, patriarch of the Cool family in Webster County, was born in
Franklin County, VA on 04-Nov-1802. The identity of his parents remain unproven,
although there is documentation that indicates Mary Cool Hosey, daughter of
Conrad Kuhl (born in Germany) is Walter's mother. In 1825 he came to the Right
Fork of Holly River, bought extensive tracts of land on both sides of the river,
and became a gentleman farmer in the best tradition of the Appalachian frontier.
On 01-Sep-1825, he married Hannah Clifton, daughter of Holly River pioneer John
Clifton. They settled on a farm about three miles northwest of present day
Diana. Today, the homestead remains in the hands of Cool family members.
-----
As the wealthiest citizen on Holly River, Walter Cool was involved in the
political effort to establish Webster County between 1852 and 1860. When the
Virginia Assembly approved the Webster petition in Jan-1860, Walter immediately
became a candidate for high office. In May-1860 he was elected as the first
sheriff of Webster County. When the AmCivWar began a year later, Walter cast his
lot with old Virginia and opposed breakup of the state.
-----
On 20-May-1862, Walter was arrested in Webster County by a Union patrol lead by
Capt. Moses Hall and charged with being a Confederate partisan. The military
trial of Walter Cool was held in Clarksburg and ended with a sentence of "death
by hanging". Shortly following his trial, Walter wrote letters from his jail
cell to his family. He was moved to a P.O.W. camp -- Camp Chase (Columbus),
Ohio. Walter was part of a prisoner exchange in Vicksburg, Mississippi;
Dec-1862. He died somewhere reportedly around Wytheville, VA while trying to
return home to his family and farm. His final resting place remains unknown.
-----
In 1999, Walter Cool was recognized by the United Daughters of the Confederacy
for his service as a southern partisan. Walter Cool's military record has now
been approved, and descendants may now join the UDC (United Daughters of the
Confederacy) or the SCV (Sons of Confederate Veterans) once personal lineage is
documented and approved.

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I never heard my dad say a word about his dad or his family.
Recently a friend got me interested in genealogy.  I attended a
Conference in the Chicago area recently, I have an Ancestry account,
and I have quickly become addicted to this whole process.  My
knowledge of my dad's mom's side, the Sternitske's is pretty complete
back to mid 1800's when Gustav and Augusta came from Pomeranz
Germany.  My mom's mom's side goes back to the mid 1800's with family
members by the name of Strey living in Minneapolis, Milwaukee and
Chicago.  I understand they came from Sweden.  Mom's dad was Egger
from Berne Switzerland in the mid 1800's.  I haven't taken the step
to try to research prior to that in Europe.  That should be interesting.

My dad's great-grandfather arrived on the Sandusky into Port of NYC
on Aug 5 1851 from Liverpool.  He was from Killarney.  He was 28 and
arrived with a young wife the same age.  They had just escaped the
Great Irish Potato Famine.  I sometimes think of the courage these
people must have had, arriving in this country that was on the brink
of Civil War.  Henry Lamb had two kids in NYC, moved to Chicago and
had 5 more by the 1860 census.  I know nothing of him prior to his
arrival.  One recent finding was a Chicago Tribune obituary that we
found at the Newberry Library in Chicago that led me to my dad's
aunts and their families.  No one ever knew they existed.  One of the
grandsons is alive and well near Chicago.

I am going up to Chicago over Thanksgiving weekend to meet with
relatives in their 90's on all 4 legs of the tree.  If you can shed
any light on things I should do in my research or you have knowledge
of any of these families, contact me.  I am writing a book which I
intend to publish, mostly for the use of my greater family.

Chris

Hi...
I have a prison look up, if you have information for California.
My Grandmother's cousin, Earl Cunningham, was sent to Alcatraz State
Prison for about 5 yrs. The family never talked about the crime he
committed.  I'm curious if you can find it.
Earl was born around 1910 in Garrison, Missouri, they came to CA.
around 1936, I think he was sent to prison around 1950. At the time,
he lived in either Watsonville, or San Luis Obispo CA.
As the family story goes there was a women involved, and he
supposedly went to Prison for her. But that could have been glorified.

Just curious,
Mechelle





--- In genealogyresearchclub@yahoogroups.com, "circa_1948"
<circa_1948@...> wrote:
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> Im not finding anything more than u have written here hon.
> sunny
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Chris sparks
>   To: genealogyresearchclub@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 5:11 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Genealogy Research Club] Prison & Asylum look-
ups .... update
>
>
>   Would love to know more about the following man. This is all I
can find.
>
>   # Name: Walter Grier Cool
>   # Sex: M
>   # Birth: 4 Nov 1802 in Franklin Co., Virginia
>   # Death: Jan 1863 in southwestern, Virginia
>   BIOGRAPHY: Walter Grier Cool
>   Walter Cool, patriarch of the Cool family in Webster County, was
born in Franklin County, VA on 04-Nov-1802. The identity of his
parents remain unproven, although there is documentation that
indicates Mary Cool Hosey, daughter of Conrad Kuhl (born in Germany)
is Walter's mother. In 1825 he came to the Right Fork of Holly River,
bought extensive tracts of land on both sides of the river, and
became a gentleman farmer in the best tradition of the Appalachian
frontier. On 01-Sep-1825, he married Hannah Clifton, daughter of
Holly River pioneer John Clifton. They settled on a farm about three
miles northwest of present day Diana. Today, the homestead remains in
the hands of Cool family members.
>   -----
>   As the wealthiest citizen on Holly River, Walter Cool was
involved in the political effort to establish Webster County between
1852 and 1860. When the Virginia Assembly approved the Webster
petition in Jan-1860, Walter immediately became a candidate for high
office. In May-1860 he was elected as the first sheriff of Webster
County. When the AmCivWar began a year later, Walter cast his lot
with old Virginia and opposed breakup of the state.
>   -----
>   On 20-May-1862, Walter was arrested in Webster County by a Union
patrol lead by Capt. Moses Hall and charged with being a Confederate
partisan. The military trial of Walter Cool was held in Clarksburg
and ended with a sentence of "death by hanging". Shortly following
his trial, Walter wrote letters from his jail cell to his family. He
was moved to a P.O.W. camp -- Camp Chase (Columbus), Ohio. Walter was
part of a prisoner exchange in Vicksburg, Mississippi; Dec-1862. He
died somewhere reportedly around Wytheville, VA while trying to
return home to his family and farm. His final resting place remains
unknown.
>   -----
>   In 1999, Walter Cool was recognized by the United Daughters of
the Confederacy for his service as a southern partisan. Walter Cool's
military record has now been approved, and descendants may now join
the UDC (United Daughters of the Confederacy) or the SCV (Sons of
Confederate Veterans) once personal lineage is documented and
approved.
>
>
>
>
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Check out the following websites. Might not be your Hercules but nteresting.
 
 
http://www.mustrad.org.uk/articles/mus19_5.htm
http://www.geocities.com/seraphim_angel_2002/GypsyCensus41.html

http://longislandgenealogy.com/1891/Surnames/S.htm


--- On Fri, 11/21/08, Lilian Smith <liliansmith888@...> wrote:

From: Lilian Smith <liliansmith888@...>
Subject: [Genealogy Research Club] croft family
To: genealogyresearchclub@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 8:14 PM






Hi
 
I'm still looking for the Croft family.  I have been able to locate my husband's
great grand mother.  She was Elizabeth Croft born about 1865 in Sydney.  She
later married a man named Hercules Smith in 1905.  She died about 1933 in Sydney
I believe.  I also found 2 croft families who could be Elizabeth's parents. 
They were William and Harriet Croft or William and Mary Croft all of Sydney. 
That is where I got stuck and don't really know where to look or how to proceed
further.  Hope someone can help.

Regards
Lilian

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Please  can you look up a Marriage  for me  all i have is

Douglas Rodway Semple  DOB  About 1919 to 1921

He Married
Sybil Mirenda Jones
In Gloucestershire

And Divorced her Before   4 July  1949 This is the Date  He remarried
in Bristol
i Know  he and  Sybil had a Child  but i have no name i know it was a
Boy   and that  all i Have  if i can find this Marriage so i can apply
for the Married Cert  and do you know if i can look for the divorce
Regards  Angela

--- In genealogyresearchclub@yahoogroups.com, "mechelle.wallace"
<mechelle.wallace@...> wrote:
>
> Hi...
> I have a prison look up, if you have information for California.
> My Grandmother's cousin, Earl Cunningham, was sent to Alcatraz
State
> Prison for about 5 yrs. The family never talked about the crime he
> committed.  I'm curious if you can find it.
> Earl was born around 1910 in Garrison, Missouri, they came to CA.
> around 1936, I think he was sent to prison around 1950. At the
time,
> he lived in either Watsonville, or San Luis Obispo CA.
> As the family story goes there was a women involved, and he
> supposedly went to Prison for her. But that could have been
glorified.
>
> Just curious,
> Mechelle
>
>
>
>
>Mechelle,

Alcatraz Prison (set in San Francisco Bay) was a Federal Prison for
the worst of the prison inmates. If Earl was sent there, he must have
been convicted of a FEDERAL offense. You might check newspapers for
reports of his trial.

I have a student who is interested on general information on the McDuff Clan of
Scotland.  Granddaddy told him he was related to Robert the Bruce.  At this
point he does not have a name.  He wants to use the information for a report on
the middle ages 1100-1400. 
 
thanks
 
Shirley Patrick




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I, too, am interested in the HERRMANN, HERMAN, HERRMAN, HERMANN surname.  My
husband is a HERMAN, but it's been said their surname changed (dropped the
double consonants) when they came to America.





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Shirley -

I am in a kilted guard - and there are several of us
in the unit who can trace a connection to Robert the Bruce,
even though we are of different clans.
So - the connection is not limited to McDuff Clan.
(Off the top of my head, I don't remember my own connection.)

For a quick look at the internet, I would use Google with a query
GENEALOGY "ROBERT THE BRUCE"
http://www.google.com/search?q=GENEALOGY+%22ROBERT+THE+BRUCE%22
and of immediate interest on Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_the_Bruce
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genealogy_of_the_British_Royal_Family

- Tom Knox IBSSG


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> I have a student who is interested on general information on the
McDuff Clan of Scotland.  Granddaddy told him he was related to
Robert the Bruce.  At this point he does not have a name.  He wants
to use the information for a report on the middle ages 1100-1400. 
>  
> thanks  
> Shirley Patrick