Hi Judi,

I've heard they can handle 28 degrees for a
couple hours, but maybe Sue's info (32 degrees) from UF is accurate.

Monarchs almost never pupate on the milkweed;
they tend to walk away from it to pupate, as much
as 30 or 40 feet away if they are not captive.

Larry Rosen
Kissimmee, Florida USA

At 01:10 PM Tuesday 12/1/2009, judi addelston wrote:

>Hi all -
>
>Thank you all so much for the feedback about the
>fall monarchs.  I am now out of potted milkweed
>- just lots of stalks now!  I have lots of
>chrysali on the tops of the mesh enclosures.  I
>had so many cats that I left many on the
>milkweed that is growing naturally in the
>garden, so I have two things going on - the
>population in the mesh enclosures, and the "wild" population.  lol.
>
>I've never seen a chrysalis on the milkweed in
>the garden, but I've never paid such close attention either.
>
>And - I found two Queen cats on milkweed in another part of the garden.
>
>I'm worried about the cold - does anyone know
>the lowest temp for the cats or the
>chrysali?  Should I bring them in if the temp drops below ____ degrees?
>
>judi
>Orlando, Fl.
>Zone 9a
>
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>
>


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Yes, I would say that is true--for a short time.  We would get freezes
here and I would worry about the caterpillars surviving during the night.   I
could not believe it when I would see them flying the next day when it warmed
  up in the afternoon.  Like last night.  It went down to 30  degrees.  Then
today I had 2 Gulf Fritillaries and 1 American Lady flying  in the garden.
I would think that in Florida it would not stay very cold for very long, so
  the butterflies should survive cold temps there.

Ginger


In a message dated 12/1/2009 3:35:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
bttfly9@... writes:




Hello Ginger,

I heard a talk from the staff at University of  Florida-GainesvilleI  They
said that caterpillars can survive down  to 32 degrees for SHORT periods of
time and butterflies down to zero,  again for SHORT periods of time.


Butterfly Sue in Florida

Some of the most beautiful things in life cannot be seen or  touched, they
are felt with the heart.

Website has moved to:
_http://www.suesbutthttp://www.http_ (http://www.suesbutterflyhaven.com/)

________________________________
From:  "_GKopka1@..._ (mailto:GKopka1@...) " <_GKopka1@..._
(mailto:GKopka1@...) >
To: _gardenwithbutterfligardenwithbuttegar_
(mailto:gardenwithbutterflies@yahoogroups.com)
Sent:  Tue, December 1, 2009 3:06:34 PM
Subject: Re: [gardenwithbutterflSubject: Re: [gardenwi


Here in NW South Carolina, they have survived  below 32 degrees.

Ginger in SC

In a message dated 12/1/2009  1:10:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jaddelston@yahoo. com  writes:

Hi all -

Thank you all so much for the feedback about  the fall monarchs. I am now
out of potted milkweed - just lots of stalks  now! I have lots of chrysali
on the tops of the mesh enclosures. I had so  many cats that I left many on
the milkweed that is growing naturally in  the garden, so I have two things
going on - the population in the mesh  enclosures, and the "wild"
population. lol.

I've never seen a  chrysalis on the milkweed in the garden, but I've never
paid such close  attention either.

And - I found two Queen cats on milkweed in another  part of the garden.

I'm worried about the cold - does anyone know the  lowest temp for the cats
or the chrysali? Should I bring them in if the  temp drops below ____
degrees?

judi
Orlando, Fl.
Zone  9a

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Hello Ginger,

I heard a talk from the staff at University of Florida-Gainesville.  They said
that caterpillars can survive down to 32 degrees for SHORT periods of time and
butterflies down to zero, again for SHORT periods of time.


 
Butterfly Sue in Florida
 
Some of the most beautiful things in life cannot be seen or touched, they are
felt with the heart.
 
Website has moved to:
http://www.suesbutterflyhaven.com/




________________________________
From: "GKopka1@..." <GKopka1@...>
To: gardenwithbutterflies@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, December 1, 2009 3:06:34 PM
Subject: Re: [gardenwithbutterflies] fall monarchs

 
Here in NW South Carolina, they have survived below 32 degrees.

Ginger in SC


In a message dated 12/1/2009 1:10:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jaddelston@yahoo. com writes:

Hi all -

Thank you all so much for the feedback about the fall monarchs. I am now
out of potted milkweed - just lots of stalks now! I have lots of chrysali
on the tops of the mesh enclosures. I had so many cats that I left many on
the milkweed that is growing naturally in the garden, so I have two things
going on - the population in the mesh enclosures, and the "wild"
population. lol.

I've never seen a chrysalis on the milkweed in the garden, but I've never
paid such close attention either.

And - I found two Queen cats on milkweed in another part of the garden.

I'm worried about the cold - does anyone know the lowest temp for the cats
or the chrysali? Should I bring them in if the temp drops below ____
degrees?

judi
Orlando, Fl.
Zone 9a

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Here in NW South Carolina, they have survived below 32 degrees.

Ginger in SC


In a message dated 12/1/2009 1:10:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jaddelston@... writes:




Hi all -

Thank you all so much for the feedback about the fall  monarchs.  I am now
out of potted milkweed - just lots of stalks  now!  I have lots of chrysali
on the tops of the mesh enclosures.  I  had so many cats that I left many on
the milkweed that is growing naturally in  the garden, so I have two things
going on - the population in the mesh  enclosures, and the "wild"
population.  lol.

I've  never seen a chrysalis on the milkweed in the garden, but I've never
paid such  close attention either.

And - I found two Queen cats on milkweed  in another part of the garden.

I'm worried about the cold - does  anyone know the lowest temp for the cats
or the chrysali?  Should I bring  them in if the temp drops below ____
degrees?

judi
Orlando,  Fl.
Zone 9a

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi all -
 
Thank you all so much for the feedback about the fall monarchs.  I am now out of
potted milkweed - just lots of stalks now!  I have lots of chrysali on the tops
of the mesh enclosures.  I had so many cats that I left many on the milkweed
that is growing naturally in the garden, so I have two things going on - the
population in the mesh enclosures, and the "wild" population.  lol. 
 
I've never seen a chrysalis on the milkweed in the garden, but I've never paid
such close attention either.
 
And - I found two Queen cats on milkweed in another part of the garden.
 
I'm worried about the cold - does anyone know the lowest temp for the cats or
the chrysali?  Should I bring them in if the temp drops below ____ degrees?
 
judi
Orlando, Fl.
Zone 9a




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Hi Cheryl,
What part of the country do you live?  This is zone 10 1/2 so it is tropical as
you know...we have Asclepias Curassavica milkweed here....Home Depot sells it as
does Lowe's...the lanatan that is yellow is used for ground cover hee.... our
butterflies do not like it....I purchase the red or violet color....it is called
Red Mound Lantana...Home Depot has lots of it right now...

I planred my butterfly gardens for the specific butterflies I wanted such as
Polydamus swallowtail, monarchs, gulf frits, casseisus blue, sulfurs etc....I
have the Dutchman's Pipe vine which is beautiful and from March till September
the Polydamus are here and have eaten lots of it so that during September
through December it is in a period of regrowth ...the first year the plant
sleeps, the second it creeps and the fourth year the plant leaps....love it...it
is so showey too..then plumbago for them to feed on...milkweed and lantana, and
other plants such as a Cape Jasmine that blooms all year, this is an amazing
plant thaqt put out many flowers....I use black cow for fertilizeer and everyone
is happy and lush...

I do have butterflies lots of the time...from March to September have lots of
the Polydamus...I walk outside and they seem to like to fly close...they know it
is a safe home...

Pick out the butterflies that frequent your area, then plant the native plants
that will attract them and have fun...it is so much fun...I enjoy gardening for
the butterflies...Good Luck  Elaine





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Hi Elaine,

The most prevalent milkweed here, though I rarely get out there in the
countryside anymore to see them, is called, oddly enough -  "common
milkweed", which is the quite tall 4'4" med-pink flowering Asclepias
syriaca. These produce a large pod, following flowering, which, once
dried, opens, & seeds are carried aloft by virtue of the white downy
tufts - one per seed!Quite a fine dispersal design!The swamp type I
have, is shorter, delicate & airy, the flowers - a vibrant pink.

I think of the lines of ballerinas scooting around in the movie
Fantasia, when thinking of the seed tufts of the "common" type here.The
orange flowering milkweed, Asclepias tuberosa is also said to be native
to my area, but I can't recall seeing them, even when living in the
country, growing up, when there were still several large farms &
dairies, and large uncultivated areas all around me.

I see fewer butterflies in my gardens each year, it seems, so really
should try to get some milkweeds growing, and hope they are discovered -
by the right kind of insects, that is! Thanks for the tips, Elaine, and
for the inspiration.I did have a lovely pale yellow Lantana at one time,
and it was glorious, but maybe not the ideal color to attract
butterflies.

I do see the occasional Monarch here, some types of Fritilaries,
Skippers, 2 types of white b'fly, some black & also tiger Swallowtails,
and a few other types, so would love to plant something more inviting &
supportive for them, though have seen some enjoying my various
plantings.It would be great if I could start some milkweed, then share
with my neighbors to get them growing some too!

Cheryl
    >!<




--- In gardenwithbutterflies@yahoogroups.com, Elaine <beachcmr246@...>
wrote:
>
>
>
....a friend was cutting her milkweed back as it was too high......I
took her cuttings and placed them in water....the  cuttings were
about 4-6 inches long....kept adding water as needed....left it for
about  1  1/2 months then just replanted them in full sunshine
and just the other day added two more red lantana....now have the
milkweed and lantana close by each other for the monarchs
convenience...:):)Â  they developed strong roots and are doing
well...
>
> ...the monarch's  that  winter here,  are here year
round. Â like the red milkweed and the red lantana...nothing else
will do ...:):)Â Â

> I rarely see wild milkweed growing here........I guess you would plant
your seeds indoors so they would be ready to plant when frost and ground
is warm...Good luck.....Elaine
>
>
>
>

Oh, sorry to hear this outcome, but you tried. So, what should be done
with a found chrysalis, I wonder?

Cheryl
    >!<
--- In gardenwithbutterflies@yahoogroups.com, "CAROL" <Carolj@...>
wrote:
>
> Cheryl,
>
> The first chrysalis just disappeared in the greenhouse.
> The second, found outside,  was put in the greenhouse and was coming
along nicely, The wing colors could be seen thru the chrysalis, however
we think it got just too hot (100+?) one day and it turned black.
Bummer!  I guess it is just best to let Mother  Nature  have her  own
way.
>
> Carol
>
>
>   .What happened to the chrysalis? Was it viable, and were
>   you able to help it along, Carol?
>
>   Cheryl
>   >!<
>
>   --- In gardenwithbutterflies@yahoogroups.com, "carolj62226" Carolj@
>   wrote:
>   >
>   > I volunteer at a greenhouse in Illinois and a fresh monarch
chrysalis,
>   > not attached to anything, was found inside. Now, what do we do
with
>   it? Attach it to something,keep it inside until close to coming out
and
>   put it outside; attach it to something and leave it outside for
nature
>   to take its course; or attach it to something and keep it in the
>   greenhouse until spring? The plants may not be blooming in time.
>   >
>   > Carolj
>   > Zone 6
>   >
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Cheryl,

The first chrysalis just disappeared in the greenhouse.
The second, found outside,  was put in the greenhouse and was coming along
nicely, The wing colors could be seen thru the chrysalis, however we think it
got just too hot (100+?) one day and it turned black.  Bummer!  I guess it is
just best to let Mother  Nature  have her  own way.

Carol


   .What happened to the chrysalis? Was it viable, and were
   you able to help it along, Carol?

   Cheryl
   >!<

   --- In gardenwithbutterflies@yahoogroups.com, "carolj62226" <Carolj@...>
   wrote:
   >
   > I volunteer at a greenhouse in Illinois and a fresh monarch chrysalis,
   > not attached to anything, was found inside. Now, what do we do with
   it? Attach it to something,keep it inside until close to coming out and
   put it outside; attach it to something and leave it outside for nature
   to take its course; or attach it to something and keep it in the
   greenhouse until spring? The plants may not be blooming in time.
   >
   > Carolj
   > Zone 6
   >




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Hi Cheryl,
I had been having lots of aphids and the black and red milkweed bug....my
milkweed was in terrible condition....a friend was cutting her milkweed back as
it was too high......I took her cuttings and placed them in water....the 
cuttings were about 4-6 inches long....I live in SW Florida so placed them in a
glass container with water about half way in the Mason jar...I kept adding water
as needed....left it for about  1  1/2 months then just replanted them in full
sunshine and just the other day added two more red lantana....now have the
milkweed and lantana close by each other for the monarchs convenience...:):) 
they developed strong roots and are doing well...

I am not familiar with Massachusetts weather...do you replant milkweed each
spring or keep it in a green house in the winter...I plant mine in the ground
here year round...if it gets too cold I cover with a sheet or card board
box...the monarch's  that  winter here,  are here year round.  like the red
milkweed and the red lantana...nothing else will do ...:):)  
 
 I root my milkweed whenever I need to or want more plants...it will work
inside  on my screened in lanai in the winter...it catches the afternoon sun...
 
I am not familiar with the milkweed you describe...we are so tropical
here...zone 10 1/2 USDA..
 
I rarely see wild milkweed growing here........I guess you would plant your
seeds indoors so they would be ready to plant when frost and ground is warm...I
am a Florida gardener and things are so different here....what works for us does
not work in the north or vice versa....Good luck.....Elaine




________________________________
From: pragmagic <dragonflyonstonebridge@...>
To: gardenwithbutterflies@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, November 29, 2009 2:59:10 PM
Subject: [gardenwithbutterflies] Re: Fall Monarchs

 
Hi Elaine,

It hadn't occurred to me that milkweed cuttings could be easily rooted.

Here in MA, zone 5, I wonder if this is ideally done in a particular
season or stage...most likely prior to setting bloom, so spring,
probably.What stage do you find works best?

I have found 2 or 3 pink swamp milkweeds growing in my yard, but they
are either not big colonizers, or the seedlings were mowed down. One
grew in between some bricks on my patio, as did some baby's breath!

Thinking of next year, I'd hoped to collect the common milkweed seeds
this fall, but have been preoccupied, & forgot.I rarely see it growing
anymore, as I did when a child, since living in a city, now.

Cheryl
>!<

Cheryl
>!<

--- In gardenwithbutterfli es@yahoogroups. com, Elaine <beachcmr246@ ...>
wrote:
>
> I had to completely re-do my milkweed bed thisw fall....there were
lots of bugs this year ..the most damaging are the red and black
miulkweed bugs...... milkweed roots easily so when cutting milk weed
back, I put it in to root for more plants....takes about 1 1/2
month...Elaine
>
>
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: Butterfly Sue bttfly9@...
> To: gardenwithbutterfli es@yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Wed, November 25, 2009 11:36:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [gardenwithbutterfl ies] Fall Monarchs
>
> Â
> Hi Judi and all,
>
> I don't have any cats here and really haven't had any. I am so
disgusted with the milkweed. I tried raising some Monarchs earlier
this year and the OE was big time and the bugs were numerous. So I
am going about pulling all my milkweed out. I want to try and plant
some butterfly weed, IF I can find a nursery nearby that sells it.Â
 I thought gardening would be easier here in Florida, but not so, at
least, not for me. We have rules at our house. No plants can
touch the house and we want to keep things short.
>
> I went to the Homosassa Butterfly house the other day. That is a
nice trip and one can combine Homosassa Springs with it.  They
show you a video that goes through the lifecycle. We talked
with the owner and he showed us another video. "Monarchs Without
Borders". That was interesting. It has Monarch Watch and Dr.
Urquardt and his wife in it.  In the movie, because the land is
disturbed, more milkweed is coming up near farmland. The famer
acted like he was doing good; however, he sprays and overlooks that part
of it. I like where they showed the Mexican Monarch grounds and
the noise of the Monarchs wings was amazing.
>
> The butterfly house has native butterflies in a greenhouse-like
setting with a heavy plastic covering. They raise their own
butterflies there. I was hot, but my body always seems to be
hot. In the back he had a table with host plants and you could find
eggs, caterpillars and chrysalises. Many of the plants inside had
evidence of chewing. I wouldn't go out of my way to visit, but it
was nice. In Spring, he sells plants (mid-March or so).
>
> The other day I found a Queen butterfly in my yard, my first of
that species. It had soft wings and I don't think fully developed
so couldn't fly very well. I stayed around two days and died.Â
>
> Florida people - if you do see any Monarchs, check for tags.Â
The University of FL is releasing them from various locations, to
include The Villages, and Monarchs were tagged in St. Mark's
Wildlife Refuge.Â
> Â
> Butterfly Sue in Florida
> Â
> Some of the most beautiful things in life cannot be seen or touched
> they are felt with the heart.
> Â
> Website has moved to:Â
> http://www.suesbutt erflyhaven. com/
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: judi addelston jaddelston@yahoo. com>
> To: gardenwithbutterfli es@yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Wed, November 25, 2009 10:52:45 AM
> Subject: [gardenwithbutterfl ies] Fall Monarchs
>
> Â
> Thanks to Butterfly Sue for sharing your trip to the panhandle. I
loved it!
> Â
> I keep meaning to check in because I suddenly have about 50 monarch
cats!! I don't know what happened, or if this is normal. I thought
the season was over, but Monday morning, I went out into the yard and
there were dozens of big fat cats. The only difference I've noticed
is that they are darker than the cats from the summer. And I'm
seeing many little cats as well. I wait until they are really big
before I put them in the enclosures.
> Â
> Does anyone else in Forida have cats right now?
> Â
> judi
> Â
> Orlando Fl -zone 9a
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Elaine,

It hadn't occurred to me that milkweed cuttings could be easily rooted.

Here in MA, zone 5, I wonder if this is ideally done in a particular
season or stage...most likely prior to setting bloom, so spring,
probably.What stage do you find works best?

I have found 2 or 3  pink swamp milkweeds growing in my yard, but they
are either not big colonizers, or the seedlings were mowed down. One
grew in between some bricks on my patio, as did some baby's breath!

Thinking of next year, I'd hoped to collect the common milkweed seeds
this fall, but have been preoccupied, & forgot.I rarely see it growing
anymore, as I did when a child, since living in a city, now.

Cheryl
    >!<

Cheryl
    >!<


--- In gardenwithbutterflies@yahoogroups.com, Elaine <beachcmr246@...>
wrote:
>
> I had to completely re-do my milkweed bed thisw fall....there were
lots of bugs this year ..the most damaging are the red and black
miulkweed bugs...... milkweed roots easily so when cutting milk weed
back, I put it in to root for more plants....takes about 1 1/2
month...Elaine
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Butterfly Sue bttfly9@...
> To: gardenwithbutterflies@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, November 25, 2009 11:36:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [gardenwithbutterflies] Fall Monarchs
>
> Â
> Hi Judi and all,
>
> I don't have any cats here and really haven't had any.  I am so
disgusted with the milkweed.  I tried raising some Monarchs earlier
this year and the OE was big time and the bugs were numerous.  So I
am going about pulling all my milkweed out.  I want to try and plant
some butterfly weed, IF I can find a nursery nearby that sells it.Â
 I thought gardening would be easier here in Florida, but not so, at
least, not for me.  We have rules at our house.  No plants can
touch the house and we want to keep things short.
>
> I went to the Homosassa Butterfly house the other day.  That is a
nice trip and one can combine Homosassa Springs with it.  They
show you a video that goes through the lifecycle.  We talked
with the owner and he showed us another video. "Monarchs Without
Borders".  That was interesting.  It has Monarch Watch and Dr.
Urquardt and his wife in it.  In the movie, because the land is
disturbed, more milkweed is coming up near farmland.  The famer
acted like he was doing good; however, he sprays and overlooks that part
of it.  I like where they showed the Mexican Monarch grounds and
the noise of the Monarchs wings was amazing.
>
> The butterfly house has native butterflies in a greenhouse-like
setting with a heavy plastic covering.  They raise their own
butterflies there.  I was hot, but my body always seems to be
hot.  In the back he had a table with host plants and you could find
eggs, caterpillars and chrysalises.  Many of the plants inside had
evidence of chewing.  I wouldn't go out of my way to visit, but it
was nice.  In Spring, he sells plants (mid-March or so).
>
> The other day I found a Queen butterfly in my yard, my first of
that species.  It had soft wings and I don't think fully developed
so couldn't fly very well.  I stayed around two days and died.Â
>
> Florida people - if you do see any Monarchs, check for tags.Â
The University of FL is releasing them from various locations, to
include The Villages, and Monarchs were tagged in St. Mark's
Wildlife Refuge.Â
> Â
> Butterfly Sue in Florida
> Â
> Some of the most beautiful things in life cannot be seen or touched
> they are felt with the heart.
> Â
> Website has moved to:Â
> http://www.suesbutt erflyhaven. com/
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: judi addelston jaddelston@yahoo. com>
> To: gardenwithbutterfli es@yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Wed, November 25, 2009 10:52:45 AM
> Subject: [gardenwithbutterfl ies] Fall Monarchs
>
> Â
> Thanks to Butterfly Sue for sharing your trip to the panhandle.  I
loved it!
> Â
> I keep meaning to check in because I suddenly have about 50 monarch
cats!!  I don't know what happened, or if this is normal. I thought
the season was over, but Monday morning, I went out into the yard and
there were dozens of big fat cats.  The only difference I've noticed
is that they are darker than the cats from the summer.  And I'm
seeing many little cats as well.  I wait until they are really big
before I put them in the enclosures.
> Â
> Does anyone else in Forida have cats right now?
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> Orlando Fl -zone 9a
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Hello & Happy Holidays to you all...'just stopped by, after quite a
while..., as always enjoy reading here. When I got this to this post, I
looked to find an answer, as this is a very good question.What does one
do with a found chrysalis?

I'm sure this was just overlooked, somehow, and sorry I can't provide an
adequate reply.What happened to the chrysalis? Was it viable, and were
you able to help it along, Carol?

Cheryl
     >!<

--- In gardenwithbutterflies@yahoogroups.com, "carolj62226" <Carolj@...>
wrote:
>
> I volunteer at a greenhouse in Illinois and a fresh monarch chrysalis,
> not attached to anything, was found inside.  Now, what do we do with
it? Attach it to something,keep it inside until close to coming out and
put it outside; attach it to something and leave it outside for nature
to take its course; or attach it to something and keep it in the
greenhouse until spring? The plants may not be blooming in time.
>
> Carolj
> Zone 6
>

Guess I should have said that both are $1500 which includes everything in Mexico
except personal purchases & alcahol.  We flew from Atlanta to Houston, then to
Morelia.  Partially cultural as well as visiting 2 of the preserves.

--- On Tue, 11/24/09, harleyblue <harleyblue@...> wrote:


From: harleyblue <harleyblue@...>
Subject: [gardenwithbutterflies] Re: Monarchs overwinter spots in MX
To: gardenwithbutterflies@yahoogroups.com
Cc: "d" <harleyblue@...>
Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 9:30 PM


 



Has anyone taken the trip to MX to see the overwintering spots? I'm looking at
trips in Feb or March and would like to connect with someone that's done it.
thanks
Donna in WI

The Will of God never takes you to where the Grace of God will not protect you.

--- On Tue, 11/24/09, bttfly9 <bttfly9@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: bttfly9 <bttfly9@yahoo. com>
Subject: [gardenwithbutterfl ies] My St. Mark's webpage
To: gardenwithbutterfli es@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 6:59 PM

 

I have finished my work on the trip I took to the Panhandle, St. Mark's and
other State Parks. You can find it here:

http://www.suesbutt erflyhaven. com/panhandle_ florida_fall_ monarchs. html

Thanks for looking

Butterfly Sue

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Yes, my husband and I went with a group in Feb. 2007 sponsored by Monarchs
Across Georgia (MAG).  Check out their website.
I also just had an email last week that Dr. Calvin (Bill, I think) was taking a
group and still had 3 openings.  He's with Monarch Watch, U of Texas.  He led
the tour we took up until the year we went.  We know a couple of people that
had gone with him, including the 2 leaders of our group.  Guess he decided to
get back into leading tours.  They took almost the same itinerary.
Carolyn, SC

--- On Tue, 11/24/09, harleyblue <harleyblue@...> wrote:


From: harleyblue <harleyblue@...>
Subject: [gardenwithbutterflies] Re: Monarchs overwinter spots in MX
To: gardenwithbutterflies@yahoogroups.com
Cc: "d" <harleyblue@...>
Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 9:30 PM


 



Has anyone taken the trip to MX to see the overwintering spots? I'm looking at
trips in Feb or March and would like to connect with someone that's done it.
thanks
Donna in WI

The Will of God never takes you to where the Grace of God will not protect you.

--- On Tue, 11/24/09, bttfly9 <bttfly9@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: bttfly9 <bttfly9@yahoo. com>
Subject: [gardenwithbutterfl ies] My St. Mark's webpage
To: gardenwithbutterfli es@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 6:59 PM

 

I have finished my work on the trip I took to the Panhandle, St. Mark's and
other State Parks. You can find it here:

http://www.suesbutt erflyhaven. com/panhandle_ florida_fall_ monarchs. html

Thanks for looking

Butterfly Sue

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Hi,
When my milkweed gets too tall I cut it back ....I place these cutting in water
like in a container large enough for what I have...keep the water level up to
around 1/2 or middle way  of the stalk to root more milk weed......it takes
about  1  1/2 months for it to root nicely, then I plant the new ones that
have rooted  in my milkweed patch.....it keeps the cycle of new plants
replacing those tht are not living....saves on $$ too....good luck...Elaine



________________________________
From: "bunionb@..." <bunionb@...>
To: gardenwithbutterflies@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, November 25, 2009 4:32:47 PM
Subject: Re: [gardenwithbutterflies] Fall Monarchs

 


milkweed roots easily so when cutting milk weed back, I put it in to root for
more plants...
Elaine, you mean you cut up the stalk you cut off and put in ground?

I had to completely re-do my milkweed bed thisw fall....there were lots of bugs
this year ..the most damaging are the red and black miulkweed bugs......
milkweed roots easily so when cutting milk weed back, I put it in to root for
more plants....takes about 1 1/2 month...Elaine

____________ _________ _________ __
From: Butterfly Sue <bttfly9@yahoo. com>
To: gardenwithbutterfli es@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wed, November 25, 2009 11:36:03 AM
Subject: Re: [gardenwithbutterfl ies] Fall Monarchs

Hi Judi and all,

I don't have any cats here and really haven't had any. I am so disgusted with
the milkweed. I tried raising some Monarchs earlier this year and the OE was big
time and the bugs were numerous. So I am going about pulling all my milkweed
out. I want to try and plant some butterfly weed, IF I can find a nursery nearby
that sells it. I thought gardening would be easier here in Florida, but not so,
at least, not for me. We have rules at our house. No plants can touch the house
and we want to keep things short.

I went to the Homosassa Butterfly house the other day. That is a nice trip and
one can combine Homosassa Springs with it. They show you a video that goes
through the lifecycle. We talked with the owner and he showed us another video.
"Monarchs Without Borders". That was interesting. It has Monarch Watch and Dr.
Urquardt and his wife in it. In the movie, because the land is disturbed, more
milkweed is coming up near farmland. The famer acted like he was doing good;
however, he sprays and overlooks that part of it. I like where they showed the
Mexican Monarch grounds and the noise of the Monarchs wings was amazing.

The butterfly house has native butterflies in a greenhouse-like setting with a
heavy plastic covering. They raise their own butterflies there. I was hot, but
my body always seems to be hot. In the back he had a table with host plants and
you could find eggs, caterpillars and chrysalises. Many of the plants inside had
evidence of chewing. I wouldn't go out of my way to visit, but it was nice. In
Spring, he sells plants (mid-March or so).

The other day I found a Queen butterfly in my yard, my first of that species. It
had soft wings and I don't think fully developed so couldn't fly very well. I
stayed around two days and died.

Florida people - if you do see any Monarchs, check for tags. The University of
FL is releasing them from various locations, to include The Villages, and
Monarchs were tagged in St. Mark's Wildlife Refuge.

Butterfly Sue in Florida

Some of the most beautiful things in life cannot be seen or touched
they are felt with the heart.

Website has moved to:
http://www.suesbutt erflyhaven. com/

____________ _________ _________ __
From: judi addelston <jaddelston@ yahoo. com>
To: gardenwithbutterfli es@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wed, November 25, 2009 10:52:45 AM
Subject: [gardenwithbutterfl ies] Fall Monarchs

Thanks to Butterfly Sue for sharing your trip to the panhandle. I loved it!

I keep meaning to check in because I suddenly have about 50 monarch cats!! I
don't know what happened, or if this is normal. I thought the season was over,
but Monday morning, I went out into the yard and there were dozens of big fat
cats. The only difference I've noticed is that they are darker than the cats
from the summer. And I'm seeing many little cats as well. I wait until they are
really big before I put them in the enclosures.

Does anyone else in Forida have cats right now?

judi

Orlando Fl -zone 9a

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milkweed roots easily so when cutting milk weed back, I put it in to root for
more plants...
Elaine, you mean you cut up the stalk you cut off and put in ground?




I had to completely re-do my milkweed bed thisw fall....there were lots of bugs
this year ..the most damaging are the red and black miulkweed bugs......
milkweed roots easily so when cutting milk weed back, I put it in to root for
more plants....takes about 1 1/2 month...Elaine

________________________________
From: Butterfly Sue <bttfly9@...>
To: gardenwithbutterflies@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, November 25, 2009 11:36:03 AM
Subject: Re: [gardenwithbutterflies] Fall Monarchs


Hi Judi and all,

I don't have any cats here and really haven't had any.  I am so disgusted with
the milkweed.  I tried raising some Monarchs earlier this year and the OE was
big time and the bugs were numerous.  So I am going about pulling all my
milkweed out.  I want to try and plant some butterfly weed, IF I can find a
nursery nearby that sells it.  I thought gardening would be easier here in
Florida, but not so, at least, not for me.  We have rules at our house.  No
plants can touch the house and we want to keep things short.

I went to the Homosassa Butterfly house the other day.  That is a nice trip and
one can combine Homosassa Springs with it.  They show you a video that goes
through the lifecycle.  We talked with the owner and he showed us another video.
"Monarchs Without Borders".  That was interesting.  It has Monarch Watch and Dr.
Urquardt and his wife in it.  In the movie, because the land is disturbed, more
milkweed is coming up near farmland.  The famer acted like he was doing good;
however, he sprays and overlooks that part of it.  I like where they showed the
Mexican Monarch grounds and the noise of the Monarchs wings was amazing.

The butterfly house has native butterflies in a greenhouse-like setting with a
heavy plastic covering.  They raise their own butterflies there.  I was hot, but
my body always seems to be hot.  In the back he had a table with host plants and
you could find eggs, caterpillars and chrysalises.  Many of the plants inside
had evidence of chewing.  I wouldn't go out of my way to visit, but it was nice.
In Spring, he sells plants (mid-March or so).

The other day I found a Queen butterfly in my yard, my first of that species. 
It had soft wings and I don't think fully developed so couldn't fly very well. 
I stayed around two days and died.

Florida people - if you do see any Monarchs, check for tags.  The University of
FL is releasing them from various locations, to include The Villages, and
Monarchs were tagged in St. Mark's Wildlife Refuge.

Butterfly Sue in Florida

Some of the most beautiful things in life cannot be seen or touched
they are felt with the heart.

Website has moved to:
http://www.suesbutt erflyhaven. com/

____________ _________ _________ __
From: judi addelston <jaddelston@yahoo. com>
To: gardenwithbutterfli es@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wed, November 25, 2009 10:52:45 AM
Subject: [gardenwithbutterfl ies] Fall Monarchs


Thanks to Butterfly Sue for sharing your trip to the panhandle.  I loved it!

I keep meaning to check in because I suddenly have about 50 monarch cats!!  I
don't know what happened, or if this is normal. I thought the season was over,
but Monday morning, I went out into the yard and there were dozens of big fat
cats.  The only difference I've noticed is that they are darker than the cats
from the summer.  And I'm seeing many little cats as well.  I wait until they
are really big before I put them in the enclosures.

Does anyone else in Forida have cats right now?

judi

Orlando Fl -zone 9a

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I had to completely re-do my milkweed bed thisw fall....there were lots of bugs
this year ..the most damaging are the red and black miulkweed bugs......
milkweed roots easily so when cutting milk weed back, I put it in to root for
more plants....takes about 1 1/2 month...Elaine




________________________________
From: Butterfly Sue <bttfly9@...>
To: gardenwithbutterflies@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, November 25, 2009 11:36:03 AM
Subject: Re: [gardenwithbutterflies] Fall Monarchs

 
Hi Judi and all,

I don't have any cats here and really haven't had any.  I am so disgusted with
the milkweed.  I tried raising some Monarchs earlier this year and the OE was
big time and the bugs were numerous.  So I am going about pulling all my
milkweed out.  I want to try and plant some butterfly weed, IF I can find a
nursery nearby that sells it.  I thought gardening would be easier here in
Florida, but not so, at least, not for me.  We have rules at our house.  No
plants can touch the house and we want to keep things short.

I went to the Homosassa Butterfly house the other day.  That is a nice trip and
one can combine Homosassa Springs with it.  They show you a video that goes
through the lifecycle.  We talked with the owner and he showed us another
video. "Monarchs Without Borders".  That was interesting.  It has Monarch
Watch and Dr. Urquardt and his wife in it.  In the movie, because the land is
disturbed, more milkweed is coming up near farmland.  The famer acted like he
was doing good; however, he sprays and overlooks that part of it.  I like where
they showed the Mexican Monarch grounds and the noise of the Monarchs
wings was amazing.

The butterfly house has native butterflies in a greenhouse-like setting with a
heavy plastic covering.  They raise their own butterflies there.  I was hot,
but my body always seems to be hot.  In the back he had a table with host
plants and you could find eggs, caterpillars and chrysalises.  Many of the
plants inside had evidence of chewing.  I wouldn't go out of my way to visit,
but it was nice.  In Spring, he sells plants (mid-March or so).

The other day I found a Queen butterfly in my yard, my first of that species. 
It had soft wings and I don't think fully developed so couldn't fly very well. 
I stayed around two days and died. 

Florida people - if you do see any Monarchs, check for tags.  The University
of FL is releasing them from various locations, to include The Villages, and
Monarchs were tagged in St. Mark's Wildlife Refuge. 
 
Butterfly Sue in Florida
 
Some of the most beautiful things in life cannot be seen or touched
they are felt with the heart.
 
Website has moved to: 
http://www.suesbutt erflyhaven. com/

____________ _________ _________ __
From: judi addelston <jaddelston@yahoo. com>
To: gardenwithbutterfli es@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wed, November 25, 2009 10:52:45 AM
Subject: [gardenwithbutterfl ies] Fall Monarchs

 
Thanks to Butterfly Sue for sharing your trip to the panhandle.  I loved it!
 
I keep meaning to check in because I suddenly have about 50 monarch cats!!  I
don't know what happened, or if this is normal. I thought the season was over,
but Monday morning, I went out into the yard and there were dozens of big fat
cats.  The only difference I've noticed is that they are darker than the cats
from the summer.  And I'm seeing many little cats as well.  I wait until they
are really big before I put them in the enclosures.
 
Does anyone else in Forida have cats right now?
 
judi
 
Orlando Fl -zone 9a

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Sue, Lois, Judi and all,

The UF folks must have their own research project
for Monarch movements (I wouldn't call it
migration) in Florida.  I will look for the UF
tags.  I am surprised that only 2 Monarchs from
St. Marks have been found in Mexico; I thought a
good number went across the Gulf from there.

I have had lots of Monarchs lately, and have lots of milkweed for them.

Judi, the season is never really over for
Monarchs in Central Florida; it is just
unpredictable.  Monarchs in peninsular Florida seem to stay in Florida.

Sue, I would advise keeping the Scarlet Milkweed,
as it is a better host plant than the native A.
tuberosa (Butterfly Weed).  Also, the golden
mound lantana you mentioned a month or so ago is
apparently not as desired by butterflies as the more common lantanas.

Larry Rosen
Kissimmee, Florida USA

At 11:55 AM 11/25/2009, Butterfly Sue wrote:
>   Yes, I cannot figure out why the tagging that
> is going on down here and was a bit
> surprised.  I guess they want to see where
> they do go to.  We do get cold here, so they
> head further south, or so is my
> understanding.  From what I heard at St.
> Mark's, only two of theirs have been found in
> Mexico.  I know they bought the tags from MW
> because I saw the sheets we fill out for them
> and the tags.  St. Mark's highlighted their
> tags blue.  I don't know how that lasts in the weather.
>
>Oh another topic is the Monarchs in Space
>project.  Have you heard about that?  Here is
>their blog and it is interesting.
><http://www.monarchwatch.org/space/>http://www.monarchwatch.org/space/
>Â
>Butterfly Sue in Florida
>Â
>Some of the most beautiful things in life cannot be seen or touched
>they are felt with the heart.
>Â
>Website has moved to:Â
><http://www.suesbutterflyhaven.com/>http://www.suesbutterflyhaven.com/
>
>________________________________
>From:
>"<mailto:maloron%40aol.com>maloron@..."
><<mailto:maloron%40aol.com>maloron@...>
>To:
><mailto:gardenwithbutterflies%40yahoogroups.com>gardenwithbutterflies@yahoogrou\
ps.com
>Sent: Wed, November 25, 2009 11:42:15 AM
>Subject: Re: [gardenwithbutterflies] SUE: Fall Monarchs
>
>Â
>In a message dated 11/25/2009 11:36:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>bttfly9@yahoo. com writes:
>
>if you do see any Monarchs, check for tags. The University of FL is
>releasing them
>Hi Sue
>I was told by Monarch Watch last year that I couldn't get any tags because
>they don't consider our Monarchs down here to be migratory. They said they
>are here all the time and that's not the ones they want tagged so they
>refused to send me any. I really didn't understand WHY so I was wondering how
>the University could tag them.
>Take care,
>Lois
>Palm Bay, FL Z9B
>Sunset Zone 26


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More tidbits

I always think of things after I send an email.

When we did the release here in The Villages, the University of
FL-Gainesville did do a talk before the release.  Some of the best butterfly
people are at this university and they have an extensive collection of
butterflies for doing research on.  I think they have the second largest
collection with London's collection first, but may have passed that up.  Two
comments caught my attention.  Monarch caterpillars can stand down to 32
degrees for SHORT periods of time.  Also, Monarch butterflies can stand down to
zero for SHORT periods of time.  I found that interesting, but for some reason
I have my doubts.  They did not describe what SHORT covered.
 
Butterfly Sue in Florida
 
Some of the most beautiful things in life cannot be seen or touched
they are felt with the heart.
 
Website has moved to: 
http://www.suesbutterflyhaven.com/




________________________________
From: Carolyn Walsh <victoriangoddess1@...>
To: gardenwithbutterflies@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, November 25, 2009 11:54:35 AM
Subject: Re: [gardenwithbutterflies] SUE: Fall Monarchs

 
Hello,
I live in Palm Beach County, Zone 10, and still have many monarch cats and
butterflies.  We have them year round here, but it does get very cold a few
days each winter.  The cats seem to survive it though...
Sometimes I do bring them inside for a day or two during the winter if the temp
dips into the 30's but that rarely happens.  It's about 78 today.
Carolyn
Boynton Beach, FL
Zone 10

--- On Wed, 11/25/09, maloron@aol. com <maloron@aol. com> wrote:

From: maloron@aol. com <maloron@aol. com>
Subject: Re: [gardenwithbutterfl ies] SUE: Fall Monarchs
To: gardenwithbutterfli es@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 11:42 AM

 

In a message dated 11/25/2009 11:36:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
bttfly9@yahoo. com writes:

if you do see any Monarchs, check for tags. The University of FL is
releasing them
Hi Sue
I was told by Monarch Watch last year that I couldn't get any tags because
they don't consider our Monarchs down here to be migratory. They said they
are here all the time and that's not the ones they want tagged so they
refused to send me any. I really didn't understand WHY so I was wondering how
the University could tag them.
Take care,
Lois
Palm Bay, FL Z9B
Sunset Zone 26

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Yes, I cannot figure out why the tagging that is going on down here and was a
bit surprised.  I guess they want to see where they do go to.  We do get cold
here, so they head further south, or so is my understanding.  From what I heard
at St. Mark's, only two of theirs have been found in Mexico.  I know
they bought the tags from MW because I saw the sheets we fill out for them and
the tags.  St. Mark's highlighted their tags blue.  I don't know how that
lasts in the weather.

Oh another topic is the Monarchs in Space project.  Have you heard about
that?  Here is their blog and it is interesting.
http://www.monarchwatch.org/space/
 
Butterfly Sue in Florida
 
Some of the most beautiful things in life cannot be seen or touched
they are felt with the heart.
 
Website has moved to: 
http://www.suesbutterflyhaven.com/




________________________________
From: "maloron@..." <maloron@...>
To: gardenwithbutterflies@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, November 25, 2009 11:42:15 AM
Subject: Re: [gardenwithbutterflies] SUE: Fall Monarchs

 
In a message dated 11/25/2009 11:36:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
bttfly9@yahoo. com writes:

if you do see any Monarchs, check for tags. The University of FL is
releasing them
Hi Sue
I was told by Monarch Watch last year that I couldn't get any tags because
they don't consider our Monarchs down here to be migratory. They said they
are here all the time and that's not the ones they want tagged so they
refused to send me any. I really didn't understand WHY so I was wondering how
the University could tag them.
Take care,
Lois
Palm Bay, FL Z9B
Sunset Zone 26

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hello,
I live in Palm Beach County, Zone 10, and still have many monarch cats and
butterflies.  We have them year round here, but it does get very cold a few
days each winter.  The cats seem to survive it though...
Sometimes I do bring them inside for a day or two during the winter if the temp
dips into the 30's but that rarely happens.  It's about 78 today.
Carolyn
Boynton Beach, FL
Zone 10






--- On Wed, 11/25/09, maloron@... <maloron@...> wrote:


From: maloron@... <maloron@...>
Subject: Re: [gardenwithbutterflies] SUE: Fall Monarchs
To: gardenwithbutterflies@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 11:42 AM


 



In a message dated 11/25/2009 11:36:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
bttfly9@yahoo. com writes:

if you do see any Monarchs, check for tags. The University of FL is
releasing them
Hi Sue
I was told by Monarch Watch last year that I couldn't get any tags because
they don't consider our Monarchs down here to be migratory. They said they
are here all the time and that's not the ones they want tagged so they
refused to send me any. I really didn't understand WHY so I was wondering how
the University could tag them.
Take care,
Lois
Palm Bay, FL Z9B
Sunset Zone 26

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In a message dated 11/25/2009 11:36:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
bttfly9@... writes:

if  you do see any Monarchs, check for tags.  The University of FL is
releasing them
Hi Sue
I was told by Monarch Watch last year that I couldn't get any tags because
they don't consider our Monarchs down here to be migratory.  They said they
  are here all the time and that's not the ones they want tagged so they
refused  to send me any.  I really didn't understand WHY so I was wondering how
the  University could tag them.
Take care,
Lois
Palm Bay, FL Z9B
Sunset Zone  26




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Hi Judi and all,

I don't have any cats here and really haven't had any.  I am so disgusted with
the milkweed.  I tried raising some Monarchs earlier this year and the OE was
big time and the bugs were numerous.  So I am going about pulling all my
milkweed out.  I want to try and plant some butterfly weed, IF I can find a
nursery nearby that sells it.  I thought gardening would be easier here in
Florida, but not so, at least, not for me.  We have rules at our house.  No
plants can touch the house and we want to keep things short.

I went to the Homosassa Butterfly house the other day.  That is a nice trip and
one can combine Homosassa Springs with it.  They show you a video that goes
through the lifecycle.  We talked with the owner and he showed us another
video. "Monarchs Without Borders".  That was interesting.  It has Monarch
Watch and Dr. Urquardt and his wife in it.  In the movie, because the land is
disturbed, more milkweed is coming up near farmland.  The famer acted like he
was doing good; however, he sprays and overlooks that part of it.  I like where
they showed the Mexican Monarch grounds and the noise of the Monarchs
wings was amazing.

The butterfly house has native butterflies in a greenhouse-like setting with a
heavy plastic covering.  They raise their own butterflies there.  I was hot,
but my body always seems to be hot.  In the back he had a table with host
plants and you could find eggs, caterpillars and chrysalises.  Many of the
plants inside had evidence of chewing.  I wouldn't go out of my way to visit,
but it was nice.  In Spring, he sells plants (mid-March or so).

The other day I found a Queen butterfly in my yard, my first of that species. 
It had soft wings and I don't think fully developed so couldn't fly very well. 
I stayed around two days and died. 

Florida people - if you do see any Monarchs, check for tags.  The University
of FL is releasing them from various locations, to include The Villages, and
Monarchs were tagged in St. Mark's Wildlife Refuge. 
 
Butterfly Sue in Florida
 
Some of the most beautiful things in life cannot be seen or touched
they are felt with the heart.
 
Website has moved to: 
http://www.suesbutterflyhaven.com/




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From: judi addelston <jaddelston@...>
To: gardenwithbutterflies@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, November 25, 2009 10:52:45 AM
Subject: [gardenwithbutterflies] Fall Monarchs

 
Thanks to Butterfly Sue for sharing your trip to the panhandle.  I loved it!
 
I keep meaning to check in because I suddenly have about 50 monarch cats!!  I
don't know what happened, or if this is normal. I thought the season was over,
but Monday morning, I went out into the yard and there were dozens of big fat
cats.  The only difference I've noticed is that they are darker than the cats
from the summer.  And I'm seeing many little cats as well.  I wait until they
are really big before I put them in the enclosures.
 
Does anyone else in Forida have cats right now?
 
judi
 
Orlando Fl -zone 9a

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In a message dated 11/25/2009 10:53:18 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jaddelston@... writes:

Does  anyone else in Forida have cats right now
Hi Judi
I have several that are just about big enough to pupate.  I didn't  bring
them in this time.  I had 2 Monarchs that were here for about 3 days  and
they must have laid eggs.  The seemed in a hurry to leave so they must  have
been headed further south.  I hope the little ones finish their  cycle.
Hopefully I'll see some adults flitting about in a few weeks.

In past years, we've had them all thru the winter but I think last year's
freezes told them not to stay here any more during the winter months.  I
didn't have hardly any this spring like in the past either.  I have  milkweed
all over the place so it's not that they don't have nectar or host  plants
always available.
Take care,
Lois
Palm Bay, FL Z9B
Sunset Zone  26




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Thanks to Butterfly Sue for sharing your trip to the panhandle.  I loved it!
 
I keep meaning to check in because I suddenly have about 50 monarch cats!!  I
don't know what happened, or if this is normal. I thought the season was over,
but Monday morning, I went out into the yard and there were dozens of big fat
cats.  The only difference I've noticed is that they are darker than the cats
from the summer.  And I'm seeing many little cats as well.  I wait until they
are really big before I put them in the enclosures.
 
Does anyone else in Forida have cats right now?
 
judi
 
Orlando Fl -zone 9a




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Has anyone taken the trip to MX to see the overwintering spots? I'm looking at
trips in Feb or March and would like to connect with someone that's done it.
thanks
Donna in WI




The Will of God never takes you to where the Grace of God will not protect you.


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From: bttfly9 <bttfly9@...>
Subject: [gardenwithbutterflies] My St. Mark's webpage
To: gardenwithbutterflies@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 6:59 PM


 



I have finished my work on the trip I took to the Panhandle, St. Mark's and
other State Parks. You can find it here:

http://www.suesbutt erflyhaven. com/panhandle_ florida_fall_ monarchs. html

Thanks for looking

Butterfly Sue











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I have finished my work on the trip I took to the Panhandle, St. Mark's and
other State Parks.  You can find it here:

http://www.suesbutterflyhaven.com/panhandle_florida_fall_monarchs.html


Thanks for looking

Butterfly Sue

http://monarchwatch.smugmug.com/

Hi Carolyn,

The plant with white blossoms is called salt marsh.  In another forum, someone
who knows made a comparison with plants in Texas and called it a sister plant to
what the Monarchs nectar on there.  That was interesting.   I think that
Monarchs have found favorite plants along the migration route and it gets
programmed into their genes.  There is so much more we can learn.
 
Butterfly Sue in Florida
 
Some of the most beautiful things in life cannot be seen or touched
they are felt with the heart.
 
Website has moved to: 
http://www.suesbutterflyhaven.com/




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From: J & C Turner <turn1799@...>
To: gardenwithbutterflies@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, November 8, 2009 3:02:08 PM
Subject: Re: [gardenwithbutterflies] Monarchs at St. Mark's Wildlife Refuge
(east end of panhandle Florida)

 
Sue, do you know what plant (white blossoms) the monarchs are nectaring on?
Carolyn, SC




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